083024 John Fabbricatore

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Lakey is my name? All right, I'm going to jump
back to this audio. Then I'm going to go to
John Fabricatory to jump in on the same topic. John
has a background in law enforcement and knows about immigration
in the border because of his professional experience. We'll get
into his bio in just a moment, but he's also

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a candidate for congress that in the sixth congressional district,
which Jason Crow currently occupies that seat, and immigration is
a problem there. Illegal immigration is a problem in the
sixth congressional district. John Fabricatory going to join me, but
let me real quick play. This has set it up.
This is the mayor of Aurora, Mike Kaufman, and this
is his interview yesterday where he's going to confirm it

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ain't just this one building that you saw on that
video that went viral yesterday. It's at least three buildings,
and Kaufman says that they're trying to figure out who
the hell put these immigrants here? How did all these
Venezuelans end up in Aurora, Colorado in these buildings? Was
it this state eight? Was the state policy? Was it
federal policy? What happened? Real quick? Let me play this
audio by Mike Kaufman, Mayor of Aurora, Then we'll go
to John Fabricatory on the topic. Here we go the audio.

(02:13):
I think there we go.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
That have fallen to these Venezuelan gangs, three buildings. I'm
trying to walk it back and do the investigation as
to how the there's a concentration of Venezuelan's in these
these three buildings, three buildings. Somebody put them there, and
somebody funded it, whether it's federal government or not. We're

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trying to find out who these gangs apparently are attracted
to where there's a concentration of Venezuela migrants. And so
they've in fact have kind of pushed out the property
management through intimidation and then collected the rents we have
now or have had. It is ongoing UH operations with

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a task force of local law enforcement, State UH law
enforcement partners and federal law enforcement partners to write them
market and arrests have been made, but these operations are
now are still.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Ongoing with the arrests that have been made. Are these
confirmed gang affiliated members?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
You know they this is an organized criminal effort. Whether
it's trendegua, uh, that remains to be to be seen.
But that really doesn't matter. I mean, if they're if
they're you know, Venezuelan migrants and they're in they're conducting
crime in and organized understood.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
So okay, so you're able to confirm that they this
this Venezuelan Venezuelan gang has indeed taken over at least
some of the buildings. You're saying at least two of
the three. And what I just heard from you is
you don't know how they ended up.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
That's we can do the follow up question with John Fabricatory.
He's on the hotline now. He's get a candidate in
the sixth Congressional district. But he also was the former
field director for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. We know
it is ice and enforcement removal operations. He's done that
as well. John Fabricatory is on the hotline now, Welcome
to the show. John, welcome back.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Hey, thanks for having me on the show.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Jimmy help. You just heard the mayor of Aurora, Mike Kaufman,
talking about these Venezuelan gangs. Do we know how all
these Venezuelans ended up in this area concentrated? Was it
a federal program? Is it a state program? How did
we end up here?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Because Colorado is the sanctuary state, and they're gonna go
to places where they know they can get the most
benefits in the most bank of their buck, and that
is Colorado. Right now, Colorado's handing out driver's license like
candy to illegal immigrants. And you know, I went down
to the border a couple of months ago, was interviewing
a few and they were heading to Colorado just to
get driver's licenses and not stay in Colorado. So you know,

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Colorado's become a magnet and a draw for illegal immigrations.
And we're going to continue to see problems like this
until we get it fixed.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
John Fabricatory is running for Congress, and I'll give you
his website here in just a moment in the sixth
Congressional District. Hoping to unsee Jason Crowe. You're a retired
member of the Senior Executive Service, former Field Office director
for the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement and including Enforcement
removal operations. Is you obviously have been in the field

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of Immigration and Customs enforcement. Is gotten back worse the
last years. Of the last six months, as it had
been a gradual increase. I mean, we didn't hear about
these gangs taking over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado, even
a couple of months ago. How long has this been building?

Speaker 4 (05:41):
So the gang situation, the stuff we're seeing with the Venezuelans,
I've been within the last few months. I've been writing
about it on apps for at least a few months now.
We've known that these elements of criminal Venezuelans have been
coming into the country and kind of setting up shop there.
They've been doing some robbery crews, hitting walmarts, you know,
hitting jewelry stores. But the problem's been actually longer than that.

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We've had some South American theft groups that have been
in the Metro area. You know, before I retired from ICE,
and I retired in twenty twenty two, we were tracking
South American theft groups that were hitting our malls here,
stealing cars, you know, just just just arm robberies, and
we've been following them for a couple of years and
really it really started to get bad. You know when
when when President Biden took office and he said, you know,

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I want one hundred day moratorium on deportations. The people
down on the other side of the border knew that
it was going to be easy candy here in the
United States to come in and do what they wanted. So,
you know, it's the Biden Harrison administration that's really gotten
as to where we are now, and we're starting to
see the effects of that every single day in Aurora.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
John Fabricatory is my guess. He's his website, John Fabricatory
for congress dot com. He's running of the six congressional
district in Colorado. John, where has Aurora in your estimation?
Can you come in on where they've dropped the ball?
Is this something that this video has gone viral and
put a real spotlight on it, which is caused to
politicians and the council members and mayors to come out

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and say, oh yeah, we're really looking into we're forming
a task force. Is is it too little, too late
or are they behind the Did they get started too
late on this thing. Is there something they should have
been doing.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, like they're a little bit behind the eight ball
on this, And I don't want to disparage the men
and women on the street of Aurora PD. You know,
I've worked with a lot of those officers over the years,
so we'll have a lot of friends in the department.
It's not the street level officer, it's really the leadership
that's up in Aurora. You know, they've had I think
five police chiefs in the last five years, and you know,
finally now they're that they're going to get a full
permanent time person. I think the last two police chiefs

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that they had where knew that they weren't permanent, didn't
want to make any problems. They knew they were looking
for other jobs elsewhere, and you know, kind of kind
of put stuff to the side because they didn't want
to create a bunch of issues. And now this new
PLEAE chef is coming in September eighth, and he's got
a whole world to hurt that now he's got to
try to fix coming into that seat.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Is is this something These apartment buildings that my conference sated,
at least three have been taken over. There was an
apartment in Aurora a couple of months, a couple of
weeks ago, I think September or mid early to mid September,
the city of Aurora shut down condemned it because they
said it was in disrepair. And the owner of the
building said, listen, it's not disrepair. That's not the problem.
I can't get in my building. And it kind of

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nobody paid attention. He says, it's the Venezuelans. This is
early September. Is this something that we need the federalities
to come in and help us with. Is this something
that the Aurora PD themselves can come in and fixes
secure these apartment buildings? What needs to happen here?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
No, this needs to be a joint effort between federal, state,
and local authorities. They need to come in and extend
all of their authorities in order to root this out.
But the problem is Thanksuary jurisdiction here in the state
of Colorado and especially nineteen eleven twenty four house build
that was passed in twenty nineteen, which this allows local
law enforcement to cooperate with Ice. And you know, Ice

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could have been handling some of these and believe me, Ice,
Ice is guilty on a lot of fronts on this
also with handling how they're handling the border situation. But
now everyone needs to come together, they need to step up,
and they need to get the situation handled because American
citizens are getting hurt, legal migrants are getting hurt, and
the city of Aurora is going to start seeing more
and more crime if they don't fix this.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Now you bring here we get nineteen eleven Dosh twenty four.
I think it's such an important point of order here
that even if any of these are criminal gang members
had already been arrested, and maybe they had been released
out on bail or their own recognizance or whatever it is,
no they're out. Local law enforcement was forbidden by Jerry
poul Us into state legislature from calling and saying, hey,

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I got a hot one down here if you want
to get and meet us at the back door of
the jail. That would be illegal for the Aurora PD
to call Ice and say, I've got this guy who's
a Venezuelan gang member. You probably want to get him
out of the country. It's illegal for Aurora PD or
any jurisdiction out there, any sheriff, any cop to coordinate
in any way with Immigration Customs Enforcement. And so therefore ICE,

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one of these gang members Jerry Pold has prevented and
forgetting him.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yes, you are absolutely right, and it gets even worse
than that. Actually in that provision, not only does this
allow police officers from being able to cooperate at that level,
but even if an alien or an illegal alien is
convicted and goes to jail and comes out and they
put them on probation, Probation cannot contact ICE even after
this person has been convicted of a crime in our country,

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they cannot even let ICE know. So your taxpayer dollars
are paying for an illegal alien to be on probation.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
John Fabricatory is my guest. He's worked with ICE. He's
been director for the field office for ICE for Hawhi
Al and now he's retired. But now he's running for
Congress in the sixth Congressional district. His website, Johnfabricatory for
Congress dot com need people to his expertise in Congress.
John Fabricatory for Congress dot com. Many of you, under
the sound of my dulcet tones in Colorado will have

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the jazz his name on your ballot to encourage you
to look into it, John Fabricatoryfourth Congress dot Com, John,
do we know? Mike Kaffin in that audio I played earlier,
said that maybe there had been some arrest made. Do
we know? Are these are these apartment buildings? Are they
still under Venezuelan control? It said the games were walking

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door to door, they were starting collecting the rents, not
giving it to the property owner. Are these buildings still
under Venezuelan gang control?

Speaker 4 (11:28):
They absolutely are. I was in one of those buildings
the other day with a councilwoman, Danielle Jerinski. We went
in to move a woman out of her apartment. Those
apartments were still under gang control. We got the video
from that apartment, the lady that we helped move out.
That's the video that you're seeing on the news right
now of those illegal alliens running around the hallways with

(11:50):
long arms and scopes on them and multiple pistols breaking
into those those doors. When you walk through those apartment complexes,
you see what's going on in there. I mean there's
there's sex workers there, there's trafficking, drug trafficking, you name it.
Those apartments are under the control of and you know,
this is the thing. It doesn't even have to be
a Venezuelan game. There's just crime, a boring crime going

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on there, whether it's Venezuelans or other people. Something needs
to be done because this should not be had. We
should not have people running through hallways armed up, breaking
down doors in America.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
I guess the question is, twenty four hours now after
that video circulated and went viral, why are they still
in charge in running that building? What should ice or
what should a role repeat. It just seems kind of
crazy that now we know there's a problem and these
gang members, criminals are running this building to basically extorting
rent payments from people that are there, almost held hostage

(12:45):
by these people, and it's still going on twenty four
to thirty six hours later.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Yeah. I mean, look, because we now we're in a
situation to go in there is going to take multiple
armored vehicles, swat teams. You're going to have to have
warrants for all of those apartments to search all those apartments,
because these gangs have keys to every single one of
those apartments. Everyone that they could get a key from,
they made them give a key so they had access
to their apartments. So when the police come in, those

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gang members can dip into any one of those areas
to drop drugs, drop guns. It would be this is
akin into going into a military environment and going into
a town and going into a building in that kind
of operation, it's not safe for law enforcement. They're gonna
have to suit up, shield up, go in there, and
it's not it's gonna be messy. And that's why I

(13:34):
think they're trying to figure out the best way that
they can do this. And this is what I think
they did with the Nome building. That's why they closed
down that building Nome because they didn't want to go
door to door there. They just shut the whole building down.
But they can't continue to do this throughout Aurora, just
shutting buildings down every time a gang takes over.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, the sad thing is that they shut that building down.
Then they come back to the landlord and say, hey,
you have to pay for everybody's housing, and he's like,
it's not my problem to you shut the building down.
You guys should have gone door to door. So it's
not fair to the property owner there as well. It's
a fascinating story. John Fabricatory is my guest. He's running
for Congress in the sixth Congressional District. John Fabricatory for

(14:13):
Congress dot Com. John Fabricatory for Congress dot Com. I'm
sitting here playing this too. That even if the Aurora
PDE decide to go door to door or somebody decides
to do that, state police, whoever goes in there, they
arrest these they find the bad guys, they find their criminals,
They find the guys that are brandishing these weapons in
the hallway, breaking into people's apartments, extorting rent payment from them.

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What do they do? They have to release them because
according to state law in Jared Poulos House built nineteen eleven,
they can't call Immigration Customs Enforcement and cooperate with them
to take care of these criminals.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Well, that's why we need multiple federal agents, including the
DEA and the AHF to be able to go in there,
because there are certain laws that those aliens are violating
right now. One of them is eighteen Usc. Nine to
twenty two GAS, which says that no illegal alien and
shall have in their possession of firearms in their possession.
So we already know that they're violating that law right there,
and that's a that's a felony. We can put them

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in jail on those selonies. We also know that probably
most of those firearms are stolen. They're not going to
sportsman's warehouse and filling out an ATF forum and buying
those guns. We've had ten gun stores robbed in the
Denver metro area in the last five months. Those guns
are probably from some of those gun stores. We can
probably put those guns on those people and give them

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another felony charge. We're gonna find dope when we go
in there. We're gonna find sex trafficking, We're gonna find
other things. Every single law that we can put on them,
they should be convicted of and put in jail until
we can figure out the portinum.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Back to Venezuela, John Fabricatoria. Any prognosis or prediction as
to what happens in the next twenty four to forty
eight hours is I mean, surely something's gonna give way.
They're in Aurora here real soon. This has become a
national story.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, they look, they have to do something, you know,
and they have to do it safely. I mean, for
the safety of the people in that apartment complex and
the safety of those officers and the surrounding neighborhood. We
know they've got long arms, we know they have rifles,
we know they have scopes on those rifles. This is
going to be a mess, and it needs to be
handled the right way. I know that they're probably in

(16:17):
some deep meetings right now figuring out tactically the best
way to handle this situation. I've been there in my
law enforcement career. I don't envy what they're going through
right now, but it needs to be done.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
John Fabricatory, this is one of the reasons you're running
for congress right now, and you're running in that area.
Those apartment complexes would be in your district in the
sixth Congressional district. Folks want to learn more about you,
reach out to you, Johnfabricatory four congress dot com. Do
I have it right? Yes.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
They're a perfect pronunciation of the last name as well,
and they can also follow me on x at John
the letter E underscore.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Fabb fabb Fabricatory. Appreciate you hopping on the program. We'll
touch base again real soon, John, I appreciate you again,
Johnfabricatory dot dot com for Congress dot com. Check it out,
go to his website and pitch in a couple of
bucks and eat a guy like him who's savvy, understands
what's happening at the border and understands the problem. And again,

(17:12):
it doesn't matter these people of Venezuela, and it's just
a matter that crime is running rampant and they're still
holding up those buildings, they're still in charge. Everybody stand
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