John opens the pod talking about Aaron Rodgers comments about his future and how he says that he is willing to play for $10 million, but he's also undecided about if he will actually be playing next season. Later, John talks about John Harbaugh's comments on players playing both sides of the ball and how he doesn't see how a player can do enough when it comes to studying and preparation to be able to play at a top level having to prep both sides of the ball. Finally, John wraps up the show paying tribute to Lee Corso.
4:18 - Aaron Rodgers speaks
10:03 - John Harbaugh on Travis Hunter
25:56 - Lee Corso is retiring
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on? Everybody Happy fou gayzy Friday.
Hopefully everyone is having a great day. It looks like
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we got some football stuff to talk about, and I thought,
you know, kind of got we got a week calm
before the storm right now, a couple of things I
want to hit on. So I thought, let's just do
a little football rapid fire hit on five topics, from
Rogers saying what he is willing to play for, to
a coach talking about Travis Hunter's ability to go both ways.
(00:47):
And Lee Corso officially has retired from College Game Day,
the long standing show on ESPN and one of I
would say the greatest pregame shows in the history of sports.
If not, I mean probably the great It's my favorite
for sure. So we'll just go rapid fire hit on
a couple of topics, get in and out of here.
Nothing to crazy today on this Fugayzy Friday. But before
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I watched what I thought was like gonna be the
whole Aaron Rodgers interview and then he just went on
and on and I just clicked it off and did
something else. It looks like Aaron Rodgers is still unsure.
And to me, the funniest thing that happened today, by far,
(02:36):
was when he told McAfee He's like, you know, I'm
willing to play for ten ms. Like what did he
just say? And then Pat was like, you're willing to
pay play for ten million? But the way he just
nonchalantly and it shows you. I mean, this is a
guy who's made hundreds of millions of dollars to ninety
to even rich people like where you're gonna make ten
(02:56):
million dollars and it is a huge pay cut for him.
But how he threw that out there is I audibly laughed.
I was actually watching it on the StairMaster because it
was like, Hey, I'm going to in and out. You
want something, You're like, yeah, get me two cheeseburgers. He's like, yeah,
I'll just play for ten ms. But while very funny,
(03:16):
I do think, like, listen, I give him credit, you
know now, I'm not acting like even if he was
dead set on playing and was really like was already
willing to show up because he didn't have off the
field stuff going on. It's not like he was gonna
get forty fifty million dollars, but like coming into it,
like I don't need that much money to play. We
just saw Russell Wilson get what ten point five million
(03:39):
dollars guaranteed, And we know Russell Wilson isn't nearly as
good as Aaron Rodgers now both aren't nearly as good
as they once were. But listen, I give the guy
credit for it's pretty clear that if he does play,
this is gonna be his last year, and he's making
it pretty easy on the teams that are somewhat interested
in him. Pretty funny story about how he ran some
(04:01):
again shitty car for him, Chevy Malibu. No hate to
anyone out there driving Chevy Malibu's I drive a Chevy
so Pro chevyes here. But how we tried to go
in to the Pittsburgh Steelers very under the radar, and
clearly someone in that building, you know, tipped quote unquote
the press, but who knows. Like I left the portion
(04:24):
of the interview that I watched thinking it's not guaranteed
that he plays, and I think We're at the point
where we're either getting one more Aaron Rodgers season, right,
he ends up playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think
the New York Giants are clearly not happening, and Minnesota
is kind of the curveball if they go back to him,
you know, after Ota is not being confident with mcar
(04:46):
with JJ McCarthy, or he just never plays again. You know,
he just never plays again. The big headline that's going
viral is the Aaron Glenn and you know, Aaron, I
think dramatized now in his point of view, Aaron Rodgers
never been fired, right. Aaron Rodgers has never been fired
in a business where everyone gets fired beside a tiny,
(05:10):
tiny percentage of players that just retire on their own,
but literally everyone else in his world, right, coaches and
players get fired, and I think he has never had
that happen. Like the amount of players who have been
called into the GM or head coach's office, whether it's
(05:30):
a new head coach, whether it's a head coach that
you've been playing for and been told your services are
no longer needed. We're going in a different direction. Is
the overwhelming majority of the league. I would say just
about every coach in the league has been directly or
indirectly fired working for a staff. Maybe the head coach
was fired and they get fired because of it. But
(05:52):
it happens all the time in football. And for Aaron,
who has lived a pretty good life, like when you've
been flying, you know, in first class for twenty years
and all of a sudden you're at the back of
Spirit Airlines, It's like it would rattle any human being, right,
So he gets called into the office and did it
happen smoothly? Who knows? Is it ever easy to tell
(06:13):
someone like you're done? And I know he was offended
that they didn't pick his brain about everything. I just
think once you're told like you're done, that just rattles
the situation. Especially it's a new, first time head coach,
it's gonna be awkward, you know, like welcome to the club, Aaron.
(06:33):
People get fired in the NFL, and it took twenty
plus years for this guy's career for it to happen.
So it's a testament to how good he's been. But
it ends, you know, with the Jets, and listen, because
it's the Jets, it's easy for him to take shots
and you know, kind of flame it on the way out,
and you know he's probably you know, telling the truth.
(06:55):
It would have been a lot more difficult for him to.
You know. It's like when he tried to give his
side of the story, and one thing I would push
back on. Aaron loves playing like, you know, I don't
know what's going on. If it wasn't for my sister
and my cousin and that other dude in my inner circle,
I wouldn't know anything. I wouldn't know nothing. It's like Aaron,
(07:16):
I mean, let's we're all born at night. We weren't
born last night. Like, come on, buddy, let's let's to
act like you don't have somewhat of a feel for
what's being said about you is to me a little
disingenuous at this point in time. And then he, you know,
he loves going on these like long drawn out just
(07:38):
and I get it, like listen, I have vandettas, and
if I was him and a bunch of people talking
shit about you, I get it. But he loves playing that.
If it wasn't for someone shooting him over the information,
he would have no clue. It would just exist somewhere
on the Internet and he'd be living his life with
his dog Apollo. But tens Man, he's willing to play
(08:01):
for ten ms. John Harbaugh, I got to give John
Harbaugh credit. He said something that I have to agree with,
and he said that he didn't think there were enough
hours in the day to play both ways in the NFL.
And I think, listen, we're all in agreement. What Travis
Hunter accomplished last year is unprecedented. I mean, it's remarkable,
(08:24):
it's very deserving. Heisman candidate, it was badass. You know,
tip my hat, You're a badass bro. That was sick.
But to think that you're going to be able to
do it in the NFL, and I hate just naturally
taking like you can't do this. I hate that mindset
right of just like you can't because I think you
(08:45):
can get into very I think negative people tend to
have that, But I also think sometimes in life you
got to be realistic, right and go yeah, I think
this is borderline impossible to be a full time player
on both sides of the ball. And what Harball was
saying is like defense, you know, and he's a defensive guy.
My take has simply been the amount of talent at
(09:07):
wide receiver in the NFL, is has never been higher
in terms of team by team. So just look at
his own division. He's got DK Metcalf. Assuming let's say
the Browns take him. It's like, well, we're playing the
Bengals week one and the Steelers week two. It's like,
who you got. He's like, well, this week you got
Jamar Chason T Higgins. Then you got assuming he tries
(09:31):
George Pickens and DK Metcalf, godspeed. I mean, he's like,
it's this isn't the Big twelve. As Dan Hawkins said,
welcome to the Big twelve, brother, And I think to
be able to do that and what some guys have
done in the past of just going on to play
wide receiver and running the occasional go route is a
(09:54):
lot different than playing forty to fifty snaps also on
offense and running routes constantly blocking, constantly running routes that
are basically decoy. So it just means you're flying down
the field. I think it's borderline impossible. And I don't
even think it's from a metal standpoint. Obviously, it would
be a lot from a physical standpoint at that level.
(10:17):
I would say this in a weird way, and listen,
I don't blame him. He's so young, it's not like
he's ever played in the NFL. But for anyone that
says like, no, not only can he do it, he
should do it and he'll be good at it, to me,
that's kind of like almost offensive to the guys at
the highest level in the NFL. Like if I was
Jamar Chase or I was DK Metcalf, It's like, wait,
(10:40):
you think you can split practice reps and fucking cover me?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
If I'm Patrick Shirtan or whoever. On defense, it's like, wait,
you think you've been screwing around on defense and now
you're gonna get open on me. You know, this is
all I do. Like I got eighty million in the bank,
I got three Pro Bowls, I was second in the
Defensive Player of the Year, I got seven range rovers
two homes. Because this is what I do. And I
(11:07):
think you got to be very careful about just thinking
these things are as easy as what just happened. I
would put more, you know, more behind it if he
would just have done that in the SEC. But I'm sorry,
I would say the Big Twelve by far is the
worst conference of the group. And the talent in that
(11:28):
conference is just not even remotely close to what he's
about to walk in to, assuming that he gets drafted
by the Cleveland Browns. So we'll see how it plays out.
But I'm in agreement with John Harbaugh. Not possible. Andrew
Berry said something it really you know, I wish I
get why I didn't do it, But if Lamar had
(11:50):
run the forty when he was coming out at the Combine,
he definitely I'm sure. I mean, he was probably a
little lighter than probably the fastest he's ever been was
leonomous career. He's clearly still really fast, but that college
version of Lamar and then like that first year or
two Lamar Jackson was I don't know, four two five.
(12:10):
And Andrew Berry said something today which I get it.
He's propping the guy up and Jalen Milroe is going
to the draft like Jalen Milroe. I don't know exactly
how this works. I've never worked you know, at ESPN,
at NFL network, how they talk with the draft prospects.
I think clearly they've tried to shrink the group that goes.
(12:30):
But I don't think it's just randomly like, hey, Jalen
you want to go to the draft. It's like, oh,
I might get drafted in the third or fourth round.
Not saying he's going to go in the first round,
but there's clearly some momentum and buzz about his physical attributes.
Like you talk about a big project, I mean we
have seen way less talented quarterbacks get drafted from pick
fifteen to thirty in the last ten plus years. Now.
(12:52):
Doesn't mean he's gonna be any good. It doesn't mean
his flaw of some accuracy issues, but just in terms
of what you know to mold the piece of clay.
It happened with Josh Allen whatever, six seven years ago.
So people are gonna like this guy as a project
with freakish talent. And Andrew Berry said that he might
be the one guy that it's immediately faster than Lamar
(13:15):
and he ran a four to four to roh at
the combine, and Jalen Milrose, a freak athlete, can fly.
But I and listen, Lamar is whatever, twenty eight, twenty
nine years old. He's probably not Like if he just
ran the forty, it'd still be fast, but would he
run of what he would have five years ago? I
just wish he would have ran it, because I think
we'd be talking like remember when Lamar Jackson ran a
(13:38):
four to two six at the combine or a four
to three to one, because I'll promise you this early on,
Lamar Jackson was faster than four to four to ZHO
no question in my mind. If you listened yesterday, we
had Jake Dickert, the former Washington State coach who's now
at Wake Forest on the podcast. He was really good,
(13:59):
impressive guy. Got to root for coach cam Ward for
a couple of years. Last year, coach John Mattier who's
now at Oklahoma, who is the big transfer portal guy
this year, and it was really interesting to hear him
talk about like how I mean, clearly he's really into
having a personnel department. He's got a GM that he
brought from Washington State that he clearly leans on. And
(14:22):
you know, I was thinking about this. In the pros,
there aren't any rules, right, I mean technically, I think
as a scout, when you go into college, you're not
supposed to talk to like a freshman sophomore, a guy
that's not draft eligible, right, especially about like draft prospects.
I mean, you can run into him in the hallway
and bullshit with him. It's not like you're gonna get
arrested by the NFL, but it's there are some rules,
(14:44):
not that it really matters, but for the most part,
of like a GM wants to go to a college
football game, if a coach wants to go to a
college football game, anyone can go to these programs during
the week. It's actually on the college to be like, yeah,
we're actually closed this week. But for the most part,
anyone at any time the NFL can either set up
a time to go see players, can just go see
the players during the week. It's very easy. It's an
(15:07):
open door policy. I remember the running joke was during
the Nick saban eras like it is by far the
most pro friendly program in the country. If a scout
wanted to come to the building at three point thirty
in the morning, Alabama would have someone to open the
door for you at three thirty in the morning. And
(15:27):
in college it's different. Yet now we have these gms
all over the country that are clearly playing big jobs
in the program. I mean, I don't know how many
of them there are, but there are definitely a handful
that are making over a million dollars to be GMS,
and then the majority of the country's probably making between
five hundred and a million dollars. So all these power
(15:49):
for programs, these guys are making a lot of coin
because their job now is really really important. Yet during
the fall, and I always thought this was kind of
not just crazy, but also difficult. Your scouts in college
football historically have always been the coaches. So sometimes in
my experience, you would play on like a Saturday, and
(16:09):
sometimes by the time you got to Thursday, you would
send some coaches out on the road. Like if you
were at Fresno State or cal or USC you might
not go to New Jersey or Florida, but it would
be pretty easy to go, i don't know, thirty minutes
away and a couple hours away, maybe even fly up
the state and watch a high school game that Friday,
(16:31):
even though you were playing the next day. And if
you have access to private transportation in the air or
it's driving distance, you just come back meet the team
either that night or the next morning to get ready
for the game, assuming that you're playing at home, and
sometimes on the road you do the same thing, like
go hit if you're playing somewhere in Texas or Arizona,
or in an area where you're recruiting kids, you go
(16:53):
see players, but that's difficult. You're trying to get ready
for a game and you're going to watch a high
school game. That doesn't happen in the pros because think
about it, your coaches don't leave the team during the fall.
They don't even get in the draft process till like
a month or two before your scouts do that. So
why do the rules? It shows you how archaic this
is and it needs to change. And Dickert was all
(17:14):
over it as like these gms and personnel departments should
be able during the season on a Friday night, all
over the country, whoever you're recruiting, be able to go
attend those games and talk to the kids and talk
to their family, just like a coach, a head coach,
a coordinator, or a position coach would be able to.
It would actually make everything so much easier on the program.
(17:39):
And I would imagine over the next couple of years
it's inevitable that that is the end of result. But
right now for that still being quote unquote illegal feels
kind of laughable. I remember, I don't remember. I mean
it was just a couple weeks ago. But when the
National Championship was going on, you're seeing Kelvin Samson, he's
coaching Houston. Obviously, I mean they probably should have won
(18:02):
that won that game. But I remember when he got
fired and if you remember what he got fired for,
it was for texting people. And once upon a time
you were not allowed to text recruits. Think how insane
that is. I mean, think how crazy that is. I
was just watching a clip from Lane, who went on
(18:22):
THEO Vaughn's podcast Sneaky, pretty funny. THEO is Lane's Lane
looks skinny, sober, He's just doing yoga. And Lane was
like back in the day you could follow a guy
on Twitter, Instagram. It was a period in which I
couldn't text the player, but I could shoot him a DM.
And this is the downfall of the NCAA, which is
(18:45):
clearly crumbling day by day, minute by minute, is they
became so bureaucratic and so like the things that they
stood for and created started to make no sense because listen,
there are always going to be rules that people are
going to disagree with. It starts when you're a young kid, right,
even if there's merit behind it. Even if there is
(19:07):
like this is the right thing to do, people push
back against rules, welcome to life. But there also is
a time where it's like, yeah, this doesn't make sense,
like this is insane. What are we doing? I get
like in theory on the whiteboard, but in practice, right now,
this got to stop. I remember people, my friends that
(19:27):
lived in San Francisco during twenty twenty when you could
not go outside and the parking tickets, like you couldn't
go anywhere, and they were getting parking tickets on a
daily basis. Like, guys, everything is shut down, like you
need to stop this, And this feels like one of
those situations. It's like we need to rip this up
right now. Because a GM and a personnel guy at
(19:49):
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In last, but not least, it was announced today that
Lee Corso, the legendary iconic figure for ESPN, is retiring,
and I was I was reading a little bit about
like this College Game Day officially started in nineteen eighty seven.
I mean, that's pretty crazy. We're just a couple of
(22:16):
years away from that show being forty years old. But
for the first six years of the show, they didn't
go on the road. So I think early on on
that show they were in studio, and then in nineteen
ninety three they started doing what they've been doing forever now,
is go to these big games and make it a
big production, and over the last what twenty plus years,
(22:39):
It's I feel like one of the biggest sports shows
you could argue College Game Day and NBA on TNT
with Barkley and Ernie and Kenny, you know, are probably
the two biggest pre post game type shows of my lifetime.
And I think I was thinking about this, you know,
for a long time. Sometimes I'll see clips from like
(23:02):
ESPN Radio or something on ESPN, It's like, who the
hell is that? Like what who are they promoting at
that company? And I was it kind of hit me today,
like that company is not going to create stars anymore.
And when I was a kid at ESPN, the stars
(23:23):
that were created under the umbrella of the Four Letter
Network was pretty remarkable. And those days are done.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Like they don't get credit for Pat McAfee. He just
did his show and they just added it to him.
They had nothing to do with him, right, They hired
his show and they don't even get to touch it.
And if you think about probably two of their biggest
guys of the network, Steven A. Smith and Scott Van Pelt.
I mean, I think Steven A. Smith fifty eight years old.
I think Scott Van Pelt's over fifty five years old
(23:53):
the young talent and the young stars or just people
that are gonna be stars like those days are dead,
and and Lee Corso and Dick Vitel are two examples
of Now, these were former coaches, but they went to
ESPN after their coaching careers ended slash, they pivoted and
they became the faces of the network for college football
(24:16):
in college basketball. And if you think about it, like
the two guys, there's really four guys when I think
college football and college basketball that are synonymous with ESPN,
it's Jay Billis and Dick Ftel and Kirk Herb Street
and Lee Corso. Well, when you think about the four guys,
Herb Street and Billis are very similar, good looking guys,
very professional, just really high level guys, former players at
(24:41):
really high levels. Herb Street quarterback Ohio State, Billis coach
k Duke mid eighties. Yet when you close your eyes
and think about the two big stars of the network
for those brands, it was the guys with the huge personalities.
And I just saw a clip, not a clip, but
an article wh Lee Corso early on told Tim Brando,
(25:03):
I want to become the Dick fi Tale of college football.
And one thing with Dicky V just like Lee Corso is.
They were a huge, huge part of.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The explosion of the game and the explosion of celebrating
the sport and listen, I love golf and they use
this term a lot with live and the PGA Tour
and YouTube golf of like growing the game. I do
think Lee Corso and dig Fi Tel who obviously Dicky
V has been battling cancer. I mean Lee Corso has
(25:34):
two things can be true. Today is a celebration day.
It's an awesome day to just celebrate this great show,
this great man, this iconic figure in the business. And
rolling him out the last couple of years. And I
understand it's never easy to end with a legend, right,
and this transition has been tough, but them rolling him
(25:56):
out the last couple of years has been very, very
difficult to watch. There have been times where it's like
kind of sad, right, It's like, how are they putting
him on television right now? And they clearly have been
trying to transition the last couple of years, adding Saban
last year, adding McAfee the last couple of years, trying
to get a younger vibe, and the Lee's done less
and less, but now it's officially over and like Saban
(26:21):
is good, but it's not the same. There's an element
and I think what they tried to do is basically
McAfee and Saban were like combined into one to equal
Lee Corso. And it's just hard because there's only one
original and the same thing with Dicky V. Like they
didn't replace Dicky V. There's no replacing Dicky V. There's
(26:41):
no replacing Lee Corso. Now I think Lee, you know,
I don't who knows what he'll be able to say
on his last show, But the game is in a
better place and it's as popular as ever because of
everything that's going on, even if it's kind of weird
with the nil with the twelve team playoff, that's probably
(27:05):
gonna expand even more. I mean, we got a lot
of moving parts here. But when I think college football,
one of the first things I think of is college
game Day, and obviously a guy putting on the mascot
at the end of that show as we go in
and transition into the first games of the day. He
was a massive, massive part of most of our lives
(27:26):
that love the sport. The volume
The volume. What is going on? Everybody Happy fou gayzy Friday.
Hopefully everyone is having a great day. It looks like
(00:25):
we got some football stuff to talk about, and I thought,
you know, kind of got we got a week calm
before the storm right now, a couple of things I
want to hit on. So I thought, let's just do
a little football rapid fire hit on five topics, from
Rogers saying what he is willing to play for, to
a coach talking about Travis Hunter's ability to go both ways.
(00:47):
And Lee Corso officially has retired from College Game Day,
the long standing show on ESPN and one of I
would say the greatest pregame shows in the history of sports.
If not, I mean probably the great It's my favorite
for sure. So we'll just go rapid fire hit on
a couple of topics, get in and out of here.
Nothing to crazy today on this Fugayzy Friday. But before
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we dive in to Rogers on McAfee, you know, I
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I watched what I thought was like gonna be the
whole Aaron Rodgers interview and then he just went on
and on and I just clicked it off and did
something else. It looks like Aaron Rodgers is still unsure.
And to me, the funniest thing that happened today, by far,
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was when he told McAfee He's like, you know, I'm
willing to play for ten ms. Like what did he
just say? And then Pat was like, you're willing to
pay play for ten million? But the way he just
nonchalantly and it shows you. I mean, this is a
guy who's made hundreds of millions of dollars to ninety
to even rich people like where you're gonna make ten
(02:56):
million dollars and it is a huge pay cut for him.
But how he threw that out there is I audibly laughed.
I was actually watching it on the StairMaster because it
was like, Hey, I'm going to in and out. You
want something, You're like, yeah, get me two cheeseburgers. He's like, yeah,
I'll just play for ten ms. But while very funny,
(03:16):
I do think, like, listen, I give him credit, you
know now, I'm not acting like even if he was
dead set on playing and was really like was already
willing to show up because he didn't have off the
field stuff going on. It's not like he was gonna
get forty fifty million dollars, but like coming into it,
like I don't need that much money to play. We
just saw Russell Wilson get what ten point five million
(03:39):
dollars guaranteed, And we know Russell Wilson isn't nearly as
good as Aaron Rodgers now both aren't nearly as good
as they once were. But listen, I give the guy
credit for it's pretty clear that if he does play,
this is gonna be his last year, and he's making
it pretty easy on the teams that are somewhat interested
in him. Pretty funny story about how he ran some
(04:01):
again shitty car for him, Chevy Malibu. No hate to
anyone out there driving Chevy Malibu's I drive a Chevy
so Pro chevyes here. But how we tried to go
in to the Pittsburgh Steelers very under the radar, and
clearly someone in that building, you know, tipped quote unquote
the press, but who knows. Like I left the portion
(04:24):
of the interview that I watched thinking it's not guaranteed
that he plays, and I think We're at the point
where we're either getting one more Aaron Rodgers season, right,
he ends up playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think
the New York Giants are clearly not happening, and Minnesota
is kind of the curveball if they go back to him,
you know, after Ota is not being confident with mcar
(04:46):
with JJ McCarthy, or he just never plays again. You know,
he just never plays again. The big headline that's going
viral is the Aaron Glenn and you know, Aaron, I
think dramatized now in his point of view, Aaron Rodgers
never been fired, right. Aaron Rodgers has never been fired
in a business where everyone gets fired beside a tiny,
(05:10):
tiny percentage of players that just retire on their own,
but literally everyone else in his world, right, coaches and
players get fired, and I think he has never had
that happen. Like the amount of players who have been
called into the GM or head coach's office, whether it's
(05:30):
a new head coach, whether it's a head coach that
you've been playing for and been told your services are
no longer needed. We're going in a different direction. Is
the overwhelming majority of the league. I would say just
about every coach in the league has been directly or
indirectly fired working for a staff. Maybe the head coach
was fired and they get fired because of it. But
(05:52):
it happens all the time in football. And for Aaron,
who has lived a pretty good life, like when you've
been flying, you know, in first class for twenty years
and all of a sudden you're at the back of
Spirit Airlines, It's like it would rattle any human being, right,
So he gets called into the office and did it
happen smoothly? Who knows? Is it ever easy to tell
(06:13):
someone like you're done? And I know he was offended
that they didn't pick his brain about everything. I just
think once you're told like you're done, that just rattles
the situation. Especially it's a new, first time head coach,
it's gonna be awkward, you know, like welcome to the club, Aaron.
(06:33):
People get fired in the NFL, and it took twenty
plus years for this guy's career for it to happen.
So it's a testament to how good he's been. But
it ends, you know, with the Jets, and listen, because
it's the Jets, it's easy for him to take shots
and you know, kind of flame it on the way out,
and you know he's probably you know, telling the truth.
(06:55):
It would have been a lot more difficult for him to.
You know. It's like when he tried to give his
side of the story, and one thing I would push
back on. Aaron loves playing like, you know, I don't
know what's going on. If it wasn't for my sister
and my cousin and that other dude in my inner circle,
I wouldn't know anything. I wouldn't know nothing. It's like Aaron,
(07:16):
I mean, let's we're all born at night. We weren't
born last night. Like, come on, buddy, let's let's to
act like you don't have somewhat of a feel for
what's being said about you is to me a little
disingenuous at this point in time. And then he, you know,
he loves going on these like long drawn out just
(07:38):
and I get it, like listen, I have vandettas, and
if I was him and a bunch of people talking
shit about you, I get it. But he loves playing that.
If it wasn't for someone shooting him over the information,
he would have no clue. It would just exist somewhere
on the Internet and he'd be living his life with
his dog Apollo. But tens Man, he's willing to play
(08:01):
for ten ms. John Harbaugh, I got to give John
Harbaugh credit. He said something that I have to agree with,
and he said that he didn't think there were enough
hours in the day to play both ways in the NFL.
And I think, listen, we're all in agreement. What Travis
Hunter accomplished last year is unprecedented. I mean, it's remarkable,
(08:24):
it's very deserving. Heisman candidate, it was badass. You know,
tip my hat, You're a badass bro. That was sick.
But to think that you're going to be able to
do it in the NFL, and I hate just naturally
taking like you can't do this. I hate that mindset
right of just like you can't because I think you
(08:45):
can get into very I think negative people tend to
have that, But I also think sometimes in life you
got to be realistic, right and go yeah, I think
this is borderline impossible to be a full time player
on both sides of the ball. And what Harball was
saying is like defense, you know, and he's a defensive guy.
My take has simply been the amount of talent at
(09:07):
wide receiver in the NFL, is has never been higher
in terms of team by team. So just look at
his own division. He's got DK Metcalf. Assuming let's say
the Browns take him. It's like, well, we're playing the
Bengals week one and the Steelers week two. It's like,
who you got. He's like, well, this week you got
Jamar Chason T Higgins. Then you got assuming he tries
(09:31):
George Pickens and DK Metcalf, godspeed. I mean, he's like,
it's this isn't the Big twelve. As Dan Hawkins said,
welcome to the Big twelve, brother, And I think to
be able to do that and what some guys have
done in the past of just going on to play
wide receiver and running the occasional go route is a
(09:54):
lot different than playing forty to fifty snaps also on
offense and running routes constantly blocking, constantly running routes that
are basically decoy. So it just means you're flying down
the field. I think it's borderline impossible. And I don't
even think it's from a metal standpoint. Obviously, it would
be a lot from a physical standpoint at that level.
(10:17):
I would say this in a weird way, and listen,
I don't blame him. He's so young, it's not like
he's ever played in the NFL. But for anyone that
says like, no, not only can he do it, he
should do it and he'll be good at it, to me,
that's kind of like almost offensive to the guys at
the highest level in the NFL. Like if I was
Jamar Chase or I was DK Metcalf, It's like, wait,
(10:40):
you think you can split practice reps and fucking cover me?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
If I'm Patrick Shirtan or whoever. On defense, it's like, wait,
you think you've been screwing around on defense and now
you're gonna get open on me. You know, this is
all I do. Like I got eighty million in the bank,
I got three Pro Bowls, I was second in the
Defensive Player of the Year, I got seven range rovers
two homes. Because this is what I do. And I
(11:07):
think you got to be very careful about just thinking
these things are as easy as what just happened. I
would put more, you know, more behind it if he
would just have done that in the SEC. But I'm sorry,
I would say the Big Twelve by far is the
worst conference of the group. And the talent in that
(11:28):
conference is just not even remotely close to what he's
about to walk in to, assuming that he gets drafted
by the Cleveland Browns. So we'll see how it plays out.
But I'm in agreement with John Harbaugh. Not possible. Andrew
Berry said something it really you know, I wish I
get why I didn't do it, But if Lamar had
(11:50):
run the forty when he was coming out at the Combine,
he definitely I'm sure. I mean, he was probably a
little lighter than probably the fastest he's ever been was
leonomous career. He's clearly still really fast, but that college
version of Lamar and then like that first year or
two Lamar Jackson was I don't know, four two five.
(12:10):
And Andrew Berry said something today which I get it.
He's propping the guy up and Jalen Milroe is going
to the draft like Jalen Milroe. I don't know exactly
how this works. I've never worked you know, at ESPN,
at NFL network, how they talk with the draft prospects.
I think clearly they've tried to shrink the group that goes.
(12:30):
But I don't think it's just randomly like, hey, Jalen
you want to go to the draft. It's like, oh,
I might get drafted in the third or fourth round.
Not saying he's going to go in the first round,
but there's clearly some momentum and buzz about his physical attributes.
Like you talk about a big project, I mean we
have seen way less talented quarterbacks get drafted from pick
fifteen to thirty in the last ten plus years. Now.
(12:52):
Doesn't mean he's gonna be any good. It doesn't mean
his flaw of some accuracy issues, but just in terms
of what you know to mold the piece of clay.
It happened with Josh Allen whatever, six seven years ago.
So people are gonna like this guy as a project
with freakish talent. And Andrew Berry said that he might
be the one guy that it's immediately faster than Lamar
(13:15):
and he ran a four to four to roh at
the combine, and Jalen Milrose, a freak athlete, can fly.
But I and listen, Lamar is whatever, twenty eight, twenty
nine years old. He's probably not Like if he just
ran the forty, it'd still be fast, but would he
run of what he would have five years ago? I
just wish he would have ran it, because I think
we'd be talking like remember when Lamar Jackson ran a
(13:38):
four to two six at the combine or a four
to three to one, because I'll promise you this early on,
Lamar Jackson was faster than four to four to ZHO
no question in my mind. If you listened yesterday, we
had Jake Dickert, the former Washington State coach who's now
at Wake Forest on the podcast. He was really good,
(13:59):
impressive guy. Got to root for coach cam Ward for
a couple of years. Last year, coach John Mattier who's
now at Oklahoma, who is the big transfer portal guy
this year, and it was really interesting to hear him
talk about like how I mean, clearly he's really into
having a personnel department. He's got a GM that he
brought from Washington State that he clearly leans on. And
(14:22):
you know, I was thinking about this. In the pros,
there aren't any rules, right, I mean technically, I think
as a scout, when you go into college, you're not
supposed to talk to like a freshman sophomore, a guy
that's not draft eligible, right, especially about like draft prospects.
I mean, you can run into him in the hallway
and bullshit with him. It's not like you're gonna get
arrested by the NFL, but it's there are some rules,
(14:44):
not that it really matters, but for the most part,
of like a GM wants to go to a college
football game, if a coach wants to go to a
college football game, anyone can go to these programs during
the week. It's actually on the college to be like, yeah,
we're actually closed this week. But for the most part,
anyone at any time the NFL can either set up
a time to go see players, can just go see
the players during the week. It's very easy. It's an
(15:07):
open door policy. I remember the running joke was during
the Nick saban eras like it is by far the
most pro friendly program in the country. If a scout
wanted to come to the building at three point thirty
in the morning, Alabama would have someone to open the
door for you at three thirty in the morning. And
(15:27):
in college it's different. Yet now we have these gms
all over the country that are clearly playing big jobs
in the program. I mean, I don't know how many
of them there are, but there are definitely a handful
that are making over a million dollars to be GMS,
and then the majority of the country's probably making between
five hundred and a million dollars. So all these power
(15:49):
for programs, these guys are making a lot of coin
because their job now is really really important. Yet during
the fall, and I always thought this was kind of
not just crazy, but also difficult. Your scouts in college
football historically have always been the coaches. So sometimes in
my experience, you would play on like a Saturday, and
(16:09):
sometimes by the time you got to Thursday, you would
send some coaches out on the road. Like if you
were at Fresno State or cal or USC you might
not go to New Jersey or Florida, but it would
be pretty easy to go, i don't know, thirty minutes
away and a couple hours away, maybe even fly up
the state and watch a high school game that Friday,
(16:31):
even though you were playing the next day. And if
you have access to private transportation in the air or
it's driving distance, you just come back meet the team
either that night or the next morning to get ready
for the game, assuming that you're playing at home, and
sometimes on the road you do the same thing, like
go hit if you're playing somewhere in Texas or Arizona,
or in an area where you're recruiting kids, you go
(16:53):
see players, but that's difficult. You're trying to get ready
for a game and you're going to watch a high
school game. That doesn't happen in the pros because think
about it, your coaches don't leave the team during the fall.
They don't even get in the draft process till like
a month or two before your scouts do that. So
why do the rules? It shows you how archaic this
is and it needs to change. And Dickert was all
(17:14):
over it as like these gms and personnel departments should
be able during the season on a Friday night, all
over the country, whoever you're recruiting, be able to go
attend those games and talk to the kids and talk
to their family, just like a coach, a head coach,
a coordinator, or a position coach would be able to.
It would actually make everything so much easier on the program.
(17:39):
And I would imagine over the next couple of years
it's inevitable that that is the end of result. But
right now for that still being quote unquote illegal feels
kind of laughable. I remember, I don't remember. I mean
it was just a couple weeks ago. But when the
National Championship was going on, you're seeing Kelvin Samson, he's
coaching Houston. Obviously, I mean they probably should have won
(18:02):
that won that game. But I remember when he got
fired and if you remember what he got fired for,
it was for texting people. And once upon a time
you were not allowed to text recruits. Think how insane
that is. I mean, think how crazy that is. I
was just watching a clip from Lane, who went on
(18:22):
THEO Vaughn's podcast Sneaky, pretty funny. THEO is Lane's Lane
looks skinny, sober, He's just doing yoga. And Lane was
like back in the day you could follow a guy
on Twitter, Instagram. It was a period in which I
couldn't text the player, but I could shoot him a DM.
And this is the downfall of the NCAA, which is
(18:45):
clearly crumbling day by day, minute by minute, is they
became so bureaucratic and so like the things that they
stood for and created started to make no sense because listen,
there are always going to be rules that people are
going to disagree with. It starts when you're a young kid, right,
even if there's merit behind it. Even if there is
(19:07):
like this is the right thing to do, people push
back against rules, welcome to life. But there also is
a time where it's like, yeah, this doesn't make sense,
like this is insane. What are we doing? I get
like in theory on the whiteboard, but in practice, right now,
this got to stop. I remember people, my friends that
(19:27):
lived in San Francisco during twenty twenty when you could
not go outside and the parking tickets, like you couldn't
go anywhere, and they were getting parking tickets on a
daily basis. Like, guys, everything is shut down, like you
need to stop this, And this feels like one of
those situations. It's like we need to rip this up
right now. Because a GM and a personnel guy at
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a college should be able to recruit a high school player. Honestly,
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In last, but not least, it was announced today that
Lee Corso, the legendary iconic figure for ESPN, is retiring,
and I was I was reading a little bit about
like this College Game Day officially started in nineteen eighty seven.
I mean, that's pretty crazy. We're just a couple of
(22:16):
years away from that show being forty years old. But
for the first six years of the show, they didn't
go on the road. So I think early on on
that show they were in studio, and then in nineteen
ninety three they started doing what they've been doing forever now,
is go to these big games and make it a
big production, and over the last what twenty plus years,
(22:39):
It's I feel like one of the biggest sports shows
you could argue College Game Day and NBA on TNT
with Barkley and Ernie and Kenny, you know, are probably
the two biggest pre post game type shows of my lifetime.
And I think I was thinking about this, you know,
for a long time. Sometimes I'll see clips from like
(23:02):
ESPN Radio or something on ESPN, It's like, who the
hell is that? Like what who are they promoting at
that company? And I was it kind of hit me today,
like that company is not going to create stars anymore.
And when I was a kid at ESPN, the stars
(23:23):
that were created under the umbrella of the Four Letter
Network was pretty remarkable. And those days are done.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Like they don't get credit for Pat McAfee. He just
did his show and they just added it to him.
They had nothing to do with him, right, They hired
his show and they don't even get to touch it.
And if you think about probably two of their biggest
guys of the network, Steven A. Smith and Scott Van Pelt.
I mean, I think Steven A. Smith fifty eight years old.
I think Scott Van Pelt's over fifty five years old
(23:53):
the young talent and the young stars or just people
that are gonna be stars like those days are dead,
and and Lee Corso and Dick Vitel are two examples
of Now, these were former coaches, but they went to
ESPN after their coaching careers ended slash, they pivoted and
they became the faces of the network for college football
(24:16):
in college basketball. And if you think about it, like
the two guys, there's really four guys when I think
college football and college basketball that are synonymous with ESPN,
it's Jay Billis and Dick Ftel and Kirk Herb Street
and Lee Corso. Well, when you think about the four guys,
Herb Street and Billis are very similar, good looking guys,
very professional, just really high level guys, former players at
(24:41):
really high levels. Herb Street quarterback Ohio State, Billis coach
k Duke mid eighties. Yet when you close your eyes
and think about the two big stars of the network
for those brands, it was the guys with the huge personalities.
And I just saw a clip, not a clip, but
an article wh Lee Corso early on told Tim Brando,
(25:03):
I want to become the Dick fi Tale of college football.
And one thing with Dicky V just like Lee Corso is.
They were a huge, huge part of.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The explosion of the game and the explosion of celebrating
the sport and listen, I love golf and they use
this term a lot with live and the PGA Tour
and YouTube golf of like growing the game. I do
think Lee Corso and dig Fi Tel who obviously Dicky
V has been battling cancer. I mean Lee Corso has
(25:34):
two things can be true. Today is a celebration day.
It's an awesome day to just celebrate this great show,
this great man, this iconic figure in the business. And
rolling him out the last couple of years. And I
understand it's never easy to end with a legend, right,
and this transition has been tough, but them rolling him
(25:56):
out the last couple of years has been very, very
difficult to watch. There have been times where it's like
kind of sad, right, It's like, how are they putting
him on television right now? And they clearly have been
trying to transition the last couple of years, adding Saban
last year, adding McAfee the last couple of years, trying
to get a younger vibe, and the Lee's done less
and less, but now it's officially over and like Saban
(26:21):
is good, but it's not the same. There's an element
and I think what they tried to do is basically
McAfee and Saban were like combined into one to equal
Lee Corso. And it's just hard because there's only one
original and the same thing with Dicky V. Like they
didn't replace Dicky V. There's no replacing Dicky V. There's
(26:41):
no replacing Lee Corso. Now I think Lee, you know,
I don't who knows what he'll be able to say
on his last show, But the game is in a
better place and it's as popular as ever because of
everything that's going on, even if it's kind of weird
with the nil with the twelve team playoff, that's probably
(27:05):
gonna expand even more. I mean, we got a lot
of moving parts here. But when I think college football,
one of the first things I think of is college
game Day, and obviously a guy putting on the mascot
at the end of that show as we go in
and transition into the first games of the day. He
was a massive, massive part of most of our lives
(27:26):
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