3 & Out - Nico goes to UCLA, Best of the rest for the QB's in the draft, Will Herbert be okay

John answers all of your questions in this episode's massive mailbag segment. John talks about Nico transferring to UCLA and why he doesn't love the move, which of the other QB's in the draft have a shot to be a star, when will Justin Herbert  put it all together for the Chargers, how important was Manzel to college football, and much more!

 

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your phone dies, you no way to charge it, and
then it finally comes back on and you realize that
Nico goes to UCLA and the UCLA quarterback all signs
point to him going to Tennessee. So you never know
what's going to happen in this crazy, crazy world of

(03:16):
college football. I saw the dude Tyler Shuck. I think
is the way you pronounce his name. There's a prom
picture going viral. I guess It's been kind of viral
of him in brock Purty from like twenty seventeen. They're
the same age. Actually, brock Purty is younger than the
quarterback that is going into the draft from Louisville. This

(03:38):
guy has been in college for seven years. I knew
he was old, I didn't realize he was that old.
Brock Purty was a four year starter in college, has
been starting now in the NFL for three years, and
is younger than this player coming out in the draft.
You should not be able to go to college for
seven years unless you're going to be a doctor. I
mean that's insane. I mean we are in the middle

(03:59):
of the most batshit era in the history of college sports.
I mean, this guy played for seven years. He had
multiple careers at multiple schools. Doesn't even count the one
he's gonna get drafted from. I mean the Nico situation.
Do take a pay cut to go to UCLA. Grew
up a huge UCLA fan, Jason Capono. I had a

(04:20):
good family friend, John Hoefert, who played at UCLA. I
love those UCLA basketball teams. My cousin Nick was a
walk on for Bob Toledo in the football program in
the late nineties early two thousands. I love UCLA, or
did as a kid. I rooted for them basketball and
football very very aggressively. But that program is a joke.

(04:41):
I mean an absolute joke. I read an article they
ranked in the Big Ten that does sixteen programs fifteenth
ticket sales in the tank. The program, the athletic program
has lost two hundred million dollars in the last five years.
Let me repeat that, two hundred million dollars in the
last five years. Beautiful campus. They're awesome at sports like gymnastics,

(05:02):
in golf and occasionally baseball, but when it comes to
a football program, listen all you know, personal thoughts aside.
Chip Kelly left that program because he thought it was
a complete joke, and we can argue like he wanted
no part of them so to go to UCLA. I'm
not even counting. I'm not even counting the financial haircut

(05:26):
that you get by leaving Tennessee. The state was no
state income tax to go to LA. On top of
how shady SEC programs are, what else they're funneling, you
took a massive haircut financially, not even counting that from
a football standpoint, In what world, would you leave Tennessee,
which by all accounts I looked on Rivals the other day.

(05:47):
They have been top twelve in recruiting like the last
three years. They will continue to be that. They were
just in the playoffs. It would shock absolutely nobody if
they're in the playoffs again. It would be stunning if
UCLA makes a bowl game. This is a program in
football sec. You know, football means everything, especially the top
programs Bama, you know, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, A and

(06:11):
M like kind of a big deal to play in
those programs. There's a reason that most guys in the
country get drafted from get that conference doesn't get any better,
and they pay a premium to leave. It's just it's
fucking laughable that there's no other response than that is laughable.
The way it all played out, not even talking about
the money standpoint, but from a football standpoint, not in

(06:34):
a million years have never had a problem. If Ashton
gent wanted to leave Boise State and go play at
Ohio State or Texas or you know, Oregon, totally would
have got it. Everyone's like, no brainer, of course you
do that. If some dude is playing at cam Ward,
Washington State goes to Miami. We all get it. It's
called leveling up. We all try to do that professionally personally,

(06:57):
like level up in life. You don't level down in
life when it's your choice. It's one thing if you
get kicked out of the program, and nowadays people get
cut right, but you don't leave to go to a
way worse program. Makes absolutely no sense again, laughable, it
really is. I mean, it's crazy. The advice about cam

(07:18):
Newton said it best, like bad advice can cripple you
at the highest levels, and definitely in the NFL when
it comes to financial advice in college now when people
are advising you, good advice is extremely valuable. It really is.
And the advice in this whole situation seems honestly kind
of sad. That's what it does. It's pretty sad. They're

(07:39):
ain't a soul alive. If they could choose, what's a
better football situation playing it the University of Tennessee, which
probably gonna have a top ten roster in college football,
or UCLA in this twenty twenty five I mean, this
isn't back in the heyday. UCLA has been good at
football over the years, not right now. So man, let's

(08:05):
dive into the mailback, which I guess that was kind
of the start of the mailbak. Quick question. Is Milroe
in the first round another will Levi situation just to
complete bluff? Or are you hearing this is real? Well
you get invited to the draft. That's, you know, a
pretty big eye opener. Now. I think you could ask
yourself if you're the television networks. I know people have
pushed against this, but it doesn't hurt to have quarterbacks

(08:28):
who are way more famous than all these other players.
There's a reason we on this show don't break down
offensive lineman. Our sponsors are paying us too much to
get people to listen to have people tune out. I
like football as much as the next guy, but I've
been in this business long enough. You are as you know.
The draft and the buzz on last year is one

(08:48):
of the biggest, you know, lead ups I've ever seen.
It's not random that six quarterbacks got drafted in the
top twelve. They're they're the drivers, and I would say
wide receivers are right behind them. The top players in
your draft are tackles, guards and d tackles. You're gonna
have problems, right, Travis. You can only talk about Travis
Hunter playing both ways so much. But I think there's

(09:10):
a very good chance that there's some drama with these quarterbacks,
you know, in the green room, with not being selected.
I've seen some interviews online with Jalen Milrose. Seems like
a really high level dude. Seems like an easy gat
to root for it, but ultimately, at the highest level
of football, you do need to complete passes. We can
nitpick Shador's physical attributes, you know, hold on to the ball

(09:32):
a little bit too long, not the biggest arm, not
the greatest athlete, but he's a pretty good quarterback, Like
he knows how to play quarterback. I watched Jalen Milrow.
You you know, subtract that first half against Georgia where
you look like the number one overall pick. You just
watch that first half against Georgia, You're like, this is
the best player in the country. Problem is that wasn't normal.
There was a lot of skipping balls. I mean, you

(09:55):
watch a little bit of the Michigan game. It was
tough in the ball game. I mean it was tough watch.
But I don't know, I don't I don't really know
what to make of it. I'm sure there are people
that like him. If you told me take a flyer
on him in the second round, hopefully catch lighting in
a bottle with a project. Totally understand taking that type
guy in the first round seems a little aggressive. You know,

(10:18):
we've seen with Anthony Richardsons a lot of times these
projects do not turn into Josh Allen. They they're they're
Anthony Richardson. So I those projects, uh, swinging for the
fences at quarterback, Damn, if you got to take the
guy high, it's it's it's pretty risky. Now. Sometimes, you know,
Jordan Love was a project. He gets a sip for
three years. It's pretty abnormal. I was watching the Gruden

(10:43):
Gruden quarterback camps with Kyle McCord, Riley Leonard, and Will Howard.
These guys seem like good prospects, and I haven't seen
anything on Quinn yours. Most of them were deep into
the playoffs. I just don't understand why nobody is talking
about these guys and acting like this is an off
quarterback draft. Well, if some of your main players, and

(11:05):
obviously Will Howard's really famous starting quarterback. Ohio State National
Championship Riley Leonard transfers to Notre Dame, they're in the
National Championship. I mean, though, those guys Kyle McCord started
at Ohio State then goes to Syracuse and has a
great year. So anytime that you played Ohio State or
Notre Dame at quarterback, your name Quinn, you were the
same thing at University of Texas. None of those guys

(11:25):
are viewed as first round picks. So when there's a
group that's gonna go from second round, third round, fourth round,
fifth round, we know that fifty percent of first round
players do not turn out to be long term solutions
at any position, let alone quarterback. So the hit rate
as you get in the third and fourth round. For
every Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott, there are a ton

(11:48):
of guys that are lifetime backup slash out of the
league relatively soon. And I've been doing this for a
long time, whether it was when I was in college football,
watching the guys go in and seeing guys, you know,
state undrafted free agents have seven, eight, nine year careers,
and seeing guys get drafted in the first round and
be out of the league in four or five years

(12:09):
and be locked backups by like their second year. I
love the draft and I can't wait to talk about it.
Even if this isn't a great quote unquote sizzle, big name,
star studded event, I still enjoy it. But it's also
very difficult, and I was gonna do something and I'll
probably save it for maybe on Thursday, Like we make

(12:30):
such a big deal and I'm guilty of this. Get excited,
get down on different teams drafts. No one has any clue.
Absolutely no one has any clue. There are occasionally are
picks like Von Miller. It's like, you draft Von Miller,
it's gonna work out, right, you know, you draft Joe Thomas.
I mean, there are certain picks that are like, yeah,
this is gonna work out. But I would say the

(12:51):
overwhelming majority. I'm talking first round picks, let alone, dudes.
In like the fourth, fifth, sixth round, no one was like, Oh,
Seattle Seahawk just drafted Richard Sherman, That's gonna be one
of the great picks in the history of the league.
No one says that, and then five years later it's like,
that's one of the great picks John Schneider will ever have.
Fifth round George Kittle, It's like, oh, the Nighters got
him in the fifth round, why did he follow that? For?

(13:14):
What's the deal there? And then like four or five
years later, it's like, is that one of the greatest
picks in the history of the franchise. So it's we
don't have any of this information. When guys are picked,
so much can happen. I struggle with with especially a quarterback,
making predictions. I think all those guys, like one of
them probably will be some version of like I don't know,

(13:38):
even if they're not a top ten quarterback, maybe an
Andy Dalton or Kirk Cousins at one point time was
probably a top ten quarterback, Derek Carr, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo.
But which one out of those three is going to
be that? Who knows? Absolutely no one has a clue
because if they did, none of the team, none of
the gms in the NFL new, because if they knew,

(14:00):
there's no way that guy would make it past like
pick thirty five, and all those guys will. The NFL
provides so many threads to follow, supplying awesome content for
speculation and discussion. I'm currently fascinated with quarterbacks who might
be good but for some reason or other don't get
the chance to prove it. For instance, Jake Browning played

(14:20):
very well when Joe Burrow was out, but we don't
hear anything about it. I'm currently fascinated with Tyson Badgenet,
who's the Bear player the Bears players reportedly wanted to
start instead of Caleb when he was struggling. What did
your take on this topic? Tyson specifically, because I don't
want to scrip his last name, because I back ent

(14:42):
Tyson badgent as I think the way I said it
could be. Could Tyson be the next Tom Brady but
never get a chance due to Caleb's hype and contract.
What are your thoughts? Uh, I think you get pigeonholed.
You know, if you use Jake Browning. I'm pretty sure
Jake Browning was a undrafted free agent. Now full disclosure.

(15:05):
I watched a lot of Jake Browning. He's from Fulsome
High School in Sacramento, and he was Washington's quarterback for
four years with Chris Peterson. One of the years, it
might have been his first or second year, they made
the playoffs and they played Alabama in the playoffs and
they got dismanted. I mean they got crushed. Their two
receivers were John Ross and Pettis. You know, Ross obviously
went eighth or tenth in the draft and Pettis went

(15:29):
the second round of the Niners. But while they were
good in college, obviously both were disasters in the pros
relative to their draft slots. I thought Jake Browning was
in no way an NFL player. I thought his arm
was putrid. I just didn't think he was an NFL player.
Clearly high level cat, I mean really really high level guy.

(15:51):
If you look at Chris Peterson's two most successful quarterbacks,
Kellen Moore Jake Browning, really smart. Both lack some physical limitations.
But I watched Jake Browning, I felt like his arm
was stronger at twenty eight, twenty nine years old than
it was a lot earlier in his career. And some
guys like Alex Smith's arm was always what it was.
Some guy's arm gets stronger. Tom Brady's did use Tyson

(16:14):
as an example, you know, when you used Jake, Jake
did come from a big time program, and that has
been Joe Burrow's backup, like he's and he started games
in the NFL, so it's like played a big time
program won a lot in a major conference. Tyson. I'm
pretty sure when he started two years ago, or maybe
it was three years ago when what's his name, Justin

(16:37):
Fields got hurt, so it wouldn't have been Caleb here
would have been Fields his last year. I think it
was the first rookie undrafted free agent from a Division
two school to ever make a start in the NFL.
So you're gonna be discriminated against just automatically being a
super small school guy. I just pulled up his wiki.
I remember this. He went to Sheppard College. I've no

(17:00):
clue where that is absolutely nut. Actually I think I do,
because I remember him telling a story about like running
gat Is it West Virginia is where Shepherd is a
quarterback for the Shepherd Rams against Ohio. He's from West Virginia,
Shepherd is in Yeah, it's in West Virginia. I think

(17:23):
it is very, very difficult to give someone the opportunity
to be your starter. So let's say Tyson never gets
to play again. Remember Matt Ryan on Hard Knocks looked
at Ryan Poles was like, this guy's good, and he
probably is pretty good. What it will take is like
a former coach, So someone that was on the coaching
staff at another program to be like, we should sign

(17:46):
this guy even if it has a backup, and then
maybe that starter gets hurt and then that guy gets
the opportunity to play. But for the most part, to
become Matt Schob or Jimmy Garoppolo. Those guys were high picks.
Not first round pick, but like second and third round picks.
I think Matt Schob actually might have been a second
round pick two. So people believe that you can start

(18:06):
when you're the backup. When you are an undrafted free agent,
people just look at you like you're not good enough
unless you get the opportunity to then run with it. Now,
Jake Browning, how many starts did he actually get? Obviously
last year Burrow was healthy, but two years ago he
got seven starts through twelve touchdowns, seventy percent completion percentage. Like,

(18:29):
I bet he'll get a job, you know, as a
backup whenever his Cincinnati situation runs out. He's still under
contract with him, But he was undrafted free agent in nineteen.
We're going into twenty five, and he's gonna have a
ten plus year career now, Like guys like that, Like
he's already passed. You know, I'd rather have him than

(18:49):
Zach Wilson or Trey Lance or Kenny Pickett and those
guys for sure, But it is Are they the next
Tom Brady? Probably not? But I hear what you're saying.
It's a fascinating conversation, and I do think it's difficult
to break out. I think this is true for anything
in life. When you get pigeonholed as something, it's hard

(19:10):
to establish yourself as the next thing up right. I'm
sure a lot of people listening to this have interned
somewhere and then maybe got hired there out of college.
Like maybe you terern your senior year in college, going
in your senior year, and then they hire you full
time when you graduate, and they always kind of look
at you like, oh, he's the kind of the small
guy in the totem pole, and then you have to

(19:32):
go somewhere else, to another company potentially to get that respect.
I think sometimes it's like that in sports. So if
you want to prove that you're a starting quarterback, you
almost need to go somewhere else and get a fresh start.
Look at Sam Darnold, took him a couple times now,
bad example because he was a third overall pick, so
we give a longer leash of optimism two guys drafted high.

(19:58):
It's pretty crazy how fast it happened into I would
say the crew in twenty one, but it shows you
what a fugazy the twenty twenty football season was. Trey Lance,
Zach Wilson, Mac Jones. I mean, Fields has more physical
attributes than those guys, so he keeps getting more shots.
But the other guys are jokes. Zach Wilson maybe not,

(20:20):
we'll see, but to me mac Jones I backup at best,
Trey Lance is a third stringer. So you just the
more you play, the more you can get exposed, and
the less you play, the more you can just kind
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Charger fan. We got Harbor Herbert in his prime. I'm elated,
to say the least. When we lost to the Texans,

(22:42):
I just kind of looked at this as a bad game.
And then the all twenty two came out. We've got
a film grinder here. After all the clips came out,
I came away feeling even worse. Herbert looked lost. Some
of his passes were inexcusable. He looked like he didn't
even belong. We all know that he's immensely talented and
makes every single pass. But my question to you, when

(23:03):
does arm talent actually translate big games wins?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Not quite. I would shock this up of like you
got a bad game, like I don't think you can
right his career based on a bad playoff game. He's
gonna be okay, maybe he won't be, but I would
still be bullish on the player. Philip Rivers had a
ton of bad games, and you were in good position

(23:29):
with him as your quarterback for a decade plus, and
that's in his like thirties. This guy is dramatically more
talented than Philip Rivers. So you have an elite coach,
You had an awful, embarrassing game. It happens, it doesn't
happen often to like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers and
Peyton Manning. Hey, this guy's not that. Lamar Jackson's had

(23:51):
some bad games in the playoffs, like really bad games
before last year. So I think you just got a
Peyton Manning had some inexcume usual bad performances early in
his career. I'm not comparing all these players like to
each other in the sense of like Justin Herbert's gonna
be Lamar Jackson went to MVPs and leads you to
the number one seeds where he's gonna be Peyton Manning.

(24:13):
But it's like there are a lot of players that
have had bad playoff games This is not the NBA
or the Major League Baseball, where you could have a
bad game in a series and you get six more
chances at it or guaranteed another couple of games. It's football.
You have one bad game, you're done. Like the NCAA tournament.
John cal Party had some bad games his last five
years of Kentucky and he's out in the first or

(24:35):
second round. So I just think you just gotta be optimistic,
because I would be, and I don't have a dog
in the fight. Beside, I root for Jim Horball. I
like Justin Herbert, but it's like, I'm not an Oregon
guy necessarily, though I mean I kind of. I'm a
West Coast Pac twelve guy, but they're in the Big
ten now. He's an easy guy to root for, But

(24:55):
I wouldn't stake my life savings on that he's gonna
be some superstar. But I'm pretty confident that he's gonna
have a very very positive career. I would say there
are bright days ahead, big draft for the Chargers to
get some skill. Guys. Watch all the episodes. I'm a
lifelong Jets fan. I just saw Collins take on the

(25:16):
Rogers breakup and I'm confused by his reaction and a
lot of the media's reaction to it as well. Seems
like the world is always against the Jets. No matter
what they do, it'll be wrong. I think they made
the right move, especially with the new regime coming in.
My question is why does everyone hate us? I know
the top isn't competent at times, but the future feels brighter.

(25:39):
Can the mood change and will we forever be the
same old Jets? I think when you get caught up
in the circle of as a team that you know
I've used this example before, but like Bill Simmons, you know,
back when he wrote a column, had the Tyson zone,
and there were certain things that fell in that, like
when a story would come out about Donald Sterling and

(26:02):
the Clippers, or when a story would come out about
Whitney Houston or Michael Jackson. There's nothing crazy enough that
you wouldn't believe. I do believe there's some so sort
of like dysfunctional zone, fair or not. Once you enter
that like arena, it is hard to break out of.

(26:23):
I'm from Davis, California, which is separated from Sacramento by
a thing called the Causeway. Little game called the causeway
classic UC Davis for Sacramento State. When you cross that causeway,
I guess the arena is actually closer now. The Sacramento
Kings playing downtown Sacramento. They used to play into Thomas
at Arco Arena, which was an old school arena that

(26:44):
I think they blew it up. Maybe it's still erect,
but they play in this new, actually really beautiful Golden
One arena. When you bring up the Kings, there is
nothing that could the Sacramento Kings could do that you
wouldn't believe. It's like they fired everyone in the organization.
The vek fired every single the GM and the coach. No,
like every single employee. He's gonna hire from scratch. He'd

(27:08):
be like, seems crazy, but it's believable. It's like when
the Jets came out, not even that crazy. They offered whatever,
one hundred and seventy five people of their two hundred
and fifty employees a year whatever the severance calculator was
like three weeks for every year you'd work for the organization.
Maybe it was five weeks, whatever the number was to leave.

(27:30):
It was like, that's the Jets, even though it's not
even that crazy. When you say it out loud, but
it is kind of crazy because no one else does that.
I think when you get caught in that cycle, I'm like, yeah,
I believe that would happen. I saw it forever when
the Raiders kind of were going through their moving thing
in the mid twenty tens, you could be like, yeah,

(27:52):
Mark Dave is gonna pick up the team and move.
They start throwing out ran like they're gonna move to Austin, Texas.
They've looked at Boise, Idaho, They've looked at they just
start throwing out random cities like Portland, Oregon. Like you
just started kind of like, yeah, I don't think it's
gonna happen, but they just start throwing shit at the wall.
That's kind of the world the Jets are in because
I'm with you, Aaron Rodgers, but hurt that he had

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flew himself out there when they could have told them
like being fired is not easy. I bet Aaron Glenn
looked at it like I'd rather say it to his
face than say it over the phone. And again I'm
taking an educated guest here, but he's a former player
played in the NFL forever. It's like, maybe he's like,
maybe better if I could say it to his face.
Aaron Rodgers, who has no no history with ever being

(28:38):
told you're fired, you're cut, pack your shit, clean out
your locker room. It's like a beautiful girl she used
to being treated a little differently than most of us,
right when she walks into a bar, when she walks
into a club, when she just lives her life. If
all of a sudden, one day she woke up and
she was ugly, it would probably be a pretty tough

(29:01):
transition because she was used to being treated one way.
Now she's probably gonna be treated a little different, just
in everyday society. Aaron Rodgers once was an elite. He
was as good at doing what is impossible as anyone
in the history of football. They just don't exist. We
have a short list. We all consider him. Even if
you're a Rogers hater, we all agree he's, like, I

(29:23):
don't know, one of the top ten greatest quarterbacks in
the history of a sport that's been playing at a
really high level now for even if you don't want
to count, like the fifty to sixty some of those years,
Like I don't know, set fifty plus years, he's one
of the ten best to ever do it. He replaced
Brett Favre, and I think most people remove the emotion.
Brett was a more enjoyable player to watch play. I

(29:45):
think now maybe it's a little massage that I was younger,
but Aaron's a better player, So in his he's whatever
he always wanted. He got money status for the first
time in his professional life. He kind of got treated
like everyone else. And when you don't not used to
getting treated like everyone else, it's probably gonna be pretty humbly.

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It's one thing if you grew up poor and then
you make a bunch of money and by the time
you're fifty you are considered really, really rich and you
live a great life. Big homes, private jets, country clubs,
you name it. You do have the perspective of what
it was like like not having a pot to piss
in when I was twenty five, starting from nothing. Kids

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can't relate to that, right, So it's about perspective most
human beings in the NFL, the draft's about to happen.
Most guys that will get drafted, it's a humbling experience.
They don't go as high as they thought. Some half
of them will get cut before you know the regular
season starts. They have to go practice squad. They won't
become starters. They'll have to Even the guys that get

(30:56):
to play, many of them will struggle. It'll just be
a larn I you know, it'll be tough. Aaron's had
to wait a little bit to play, but for the
last seventeen years he's been considered an elite, I mean,
one of the top, like Brady Manning Rogers, and that's
what we talked about. And now Aaron Glenn's like, you're done.

(31:18):
Even he can say I saw it coming. Yeah, I've
been fired when I saw it coming. He's still humbling
to hear. I don't care who you are, and I
definitely wasn't the equivalent Aaron Rodgers when it happened to me.
Many of you that have, you know, lost a job
or been laid off or whatever, even if you don't
even want to be there, even if you're looking for
other gigs, even if you have another job late lined up.

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I just think I don't think what the Jets did
was that crazy. There's no perfect way to fire anyone ever.
Question for the mail bag. I grew up in Philly
and loved the Eagles. I'm twenty five and overall I've
seen consistent great football. You've lived a pretty good life.
Something I always think about if I were an NFL
player prospect, what are the top five teams I want

(31:59):
to get drafted by, traded to, or sign with as
a free agent, And inversely, what are the five teams
I'd hate to end up with? Bias a side, it
feels like Philly has become one of the most desirable
destinations in the league. You've got the same success, a
front office that take cares of stars early, a national spotlight,
in a top tier franchise in a massive sports market.

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Do you think like this in terms of dream destinations
across the league? What are the top five teams you
would be a static to land with right now? And
also the bottom five? Obviously, if you could choose, you
would want to go to the good teams, right, But
I think sometimes if you're a player, right, if I'm

(32:42):
a rookie, would I rather be drafted third overall and
go to the Giants or fall to the end of
the first round and go thirty second to the Eagles.
I think it's easy to go. You'd rather go to
the Eagles. But I think sometimes if you're a player,
you go, well, I get way more money and a
way worse team where I get to shine. So I

(33:03):
think it's different as a drafted player, and things in
the NFL change really fast. Like if you were drafted
the Lions four years ago, it's like got you got
drafted the Lions. That's where you're now. It's like, what
a great football spot to be in. Obviously there are teams,
you know, the Ravens with Howie, with with Andy and Veach,
the Bills now with Josh. I mean there are certain

(33:25):
teams there's gonna be pretty good to play in, right,
But also if you're on the Eagles, what position do
you play? Because if I'm drafted to the Eagles and
I'm a wide receiver, I might not play. So would
I rather go to a team that has a crappier
Would I rather go to the Raiders and maybe have
a chance to be a star and then improve my

(33:45):
status when I do hit free agency? So I think
when you're a free agent, you would rather go to
the Chiefs. All the good teams, but they usually have
the least amount of money and in the league that
if you do hit free agency, like there's a reason
you're not like a top, top tier player, Like, look
at free agency every year. It's not you know, the

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days of Reggie White hitting free agency are kind of dead.
So it's most of who's the best. Milton Williams was
like the apple of everyone's eye. The dude played fifty
percent of the snaps last year for the Eagles, and
again how he didn't even hesitate, like see you, buddy, godspeed.
So I think in football you got to look at
this a little bit differently sometimes. Now, if all things

(34:27):
are equal, if I'm like a just a solid starter,
and I can get five million dollars from one of
the good teams or the Jags, it's a no brainer.
But it's not usually the way it works. So I
hear what you're saying. It's not quite like college football
that way, where it's like, of course, if I go
to Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Texas, I go there right

(34:48):
over Mississippi State, or I'm trying to think of Arizona
or Arizona State. You'd much rather go to Oregon. But
in the in the pros, things can change pretty quickly,
So I think I don't know if you really look
at it like that, But from an overall standpoint, yeah,
your organization right now is elite. A question for the bag,

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do you think the NFL should take an approach when
it comes to the draft order selection instead of going
by worst to best records and automatically giving the number
one pick to the worst team. Should they do a
lottery high pick but one hundred percent of the teams
that could have good records slim chance getting a high
draft pick. Your thoughts, It's a good question. I would

(35:32):
imagine they already would have done this if this is
something that was of interest, because think how often in
the pros that they just try different stuff. You would
say no league randomly tries stuff more than the NFL,
especially when it comes to their television product. It's like Christmas,
we'll take over Christmas. We'll do Saturday games. Post college

(35:52):
football will bunch Saturday games. They're just constantly good. Almost
say good Friday, Friday, Cyber Monday? What was What's Friday
called Cyber Monday? Is crazy? Shows you what world we
live in. Whatever the days after Thanksgiving, my mind's not working.
I think the NFL, they are constantly throwing every idea possible.

(36:16):
This feels like something that doesn't interest them at all.
I do believe that in like Wednesday of like wild
card weekend. Imagine if you just held the lottery, I
mean it was just the lottery of the NFL. I
think it would do huge numbers. A little surprise that
it's never even come up, but I have never heard
anyone that covers the NFL. It's like one thing on

(36:37):
the dock at the owners meetings discussion on a draft lottery.
I wouldn't complain if they did it, but it does
feel like something that's not of interest to them, maybe
because a huge part of the success of the NFL
in theory is parody. Though they're very driven by the

(36:59):
top teams. I don't know'd be fascinating to get like
Roger and a couple owners and ask why they would
never even entertain it. Question for the pod fun question,
I'm from Texas. I love watching both Who had a
bigger impact on college football between Johnny Manzel and Vince Young?
Easy to say Vince because of the ring, but Johnny's

(37:19):
influence was insane. I think you could have like an
argument of like culturally, like who was more important when
I was like in junior high in high school, Alan
Iverson or Kobe Bryant. Well, Kobe was the much better player,
much more accomplished player, but it felt like Alan Iverson

(37:40):
had this huge cultural impact, right, But Kobe was a winner,
the dude that like as time went on, everyone aspired
to work out like him, even though AI was drinking
all night and then playing the next day and dropping
forty five. I think there's an element like Vince Young
in college had one of the most memorable games of
my lifetime any sport, him beating USC which I still

(38:03):
think is the highest rated championship game ever, one of
the great teams we've ever seen in the history of
the sport, and his iconic touchdown run was the moment
that beat sc LA. I mean it felt like they
had had they lost a game in like two years.
So from a more accomplished player would be Vince National champion,

(38:26):
got drafted really high in terms of cultural impact and
I would say lasting impact that we still feel today.
It feels like Johnny I mean one, Johnny won the
Heisman as a red shirt freshman, which could be wrong
to some of you college historians. Was he the youngest
player to ever win the Heisman Trophy because before it

(38:46):
was only juniors and seniors winning it. Again, did Tebow
win it? I'd probably get scolded by some of you dieheart's,
but I would say culturally, Johnny Manziel, for sure, good question.
What are your thoughts on the ceiling of JJ? As
a lifelong Vikings fan, it's given me very pessimistic view

(39:09):
of our future. Why Donald somewhat collapsed in the last
two games. I love Donald, but it's okay to say
to remove the somewhat. I don't think it was all
his fault. He was the first quarterback we've had since
far that gave me really optimism. While I feel like
we have a great roster, I know how bad the
season could still go if the quarterback situation goes to

(39:30):
complete shit. I'm torn because just that preseason game, I
remember he had a sweet touchdown throw. You saw some
physical attributes. It was really really impressive. But been doing
this long enough to know, I think you got to
be very careful in the preseason, and anytime you get

(39:53):
injured early, it can derail the start of your career.
From a physical standpoint, Obviously, he lost some and I
think there's a pressure on a guy that's going to
a really really good team. Obviously he did in college.
He took over a team that had really high expectations.
A couple of years later, they won the National Championship.
The pressures in the NFL are pretty high, are higher

(40:16):
than even in Michigan, especially when you factor in they
just had one of the best records in the NFL
and he's taken over a roster that's improved. So I
think the non tangible stuff is really hard. And before
you know, his Michigan team, the coach was the star.
So Jim took so much pressure off JJ. The way

(40:39):
they played, their entire offensive and defensive lines were drafted
and are gonna get drafted. They had whatever fifteen guys
drafted last year. They're gonna have four guys drafted in
the top like thirty this year. I mean that team
was like an Alabama team. It was. It doesn't get
any better. There's a reason they beat the shit out
of everybody. Hell, they beat Nick Saban in his last game.
I mean, they who had multiple players get drafted really

(41:04):
high the following year. So it's I think it's really
really difficult. It's hard for me to say how high
a ceiling is, because like, he's not the most physically
gifted guy, he's clearly pretty talented. I mean a lot
of people are comparing him to Alex Smith comps. Now,
if he's Alex Smith, they'd be fine. But Alex Smith
didn't become Alex Smith to like six seven, eight years

(41:25):
into the NFL. Now, Alex also had Singletary as his coach.
So you get Kevin O'Connell, you get a high level organization.
It's a cool it's a coolest wrong word. It's an
advantageous landing spot and starting spot, just like going to
Michigan was for him. But it is a difficult spot.
And the thing is in pros, especially Pro football, because

(41:48):
every game is so magnified. What if you just start
slow and all of a sudden, the vikings are like
two and two and he's kind of playing shitty. He's like, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp.
It just it'd be a lot. I don't use Instagram,
so I'm sending this off my girlfriend's phone. Longtime Packer fan,
Good work there, buddy. Since it's draft week, it got

(42:09):
me thinking, do you think teams put too much value
into the first round. If I'm a GM and it
hits fifty percent of the first round picks, we're doing great.
I understand teams who have multiple holes to fill if
not trading away picks. I just don't feel like the
upper tier teams lion Bill's, Ravens, etc. Really make those
moves either, and are willing to draft a player and

(42:30):
then go without a first round pick for a year
and then trade for a plug and play star. Love
to get your thoughts. I'm trying to get your exact question.
You either mean, should I trade up to get a
plug and play impact player or trade back to try
to get more picks. I saw to day that Adam

(42:51):
Schefter put out the forty nine ers want to get out,
are willing to trade back. I think most teams in
the draft would gladly go from like pick eight to
fifteen and pick up some seconds and some thirds. I
think the Niners wouldn't hesitate to go from like eleven
to twenty and pick up a second round pick. I

(43:13):
think I saw a headline. This would have been like
three or four days ago. I went home for Easter,
so I was like in the plane, it was kind
of a crazy We went home for like less than
thirty hours. It was quick trip, honestly easy. But you know,
you're in the airport, you're kind of on your phone,
and you're getting on the plane, so you're just a
lot of stuff's going on. I think Schefter put this out.

(43:34):
This is the first time there has not been a
draft day trade or like a trade four draft picks
leading into a draft since like Joe Montana who got
traded five days before the draft. Because this draft's not
for good to the GMS. I'm not just saying that
to say it. It's like the GMS don't view this draft.
I saw McShay say today, and he's right that if

(43:56):
you just went all the top positions on offense, the
best quarter back in this draft cam Ward like he
would probably be the fourth or fifth quarterback last year.
The best offensive lineman in this draft would be like
the fourth or fifth offensive lineman last year. The best
wide receiver in this draft would be like the fifth
or sixth wide receiver last year. You know, the best

(44:16):
Abdul Carter now he would be high. But a lot
of these guys we're talking about a drop off from
last year. So sometimes when teams are willing to trade
up they want impact players. A couple of years ago
when I almost said Will Howard, but I don't think
that's I don't know why my my brain is not

(44:38):
working today. Will Anderson That when the Texans traded up
from pick where they drafted CJ. Stroud and then they
trade all the way back up to get Will Anderson,
because I thought Will Anderson was sweet because he kind
of is Will Anderson on my team. So I think
you look at this draft, teams get our cold feats
the wrong word, But just like, why do I I need?

(45:00):
It's like a market. Right when I bought my condo.
When I first bought a place twenty sixteen, you were
bidding against like fifteen people in the Bay Area and
for a long period of time, low interest rates, constantly
bidding against people. Why because low interest rates, people had money,
You could borrow money for nothing. It was just aggressive. Well,
when I bought the house I'm in right now, interest

(45:22):
rates were going up by like the week, it's like
five five and a half six. Well, guess what. The
seller didn't have the same juice that he had three
or four years previously and could bend you over guess what,
you had to bend him over a little bit. So
the market shifted from a seller's market to a buyer's market.
And I think that's sometimes what drafts are. Last year,

(45:44):
if you wanted a player that the New England Patriots
laughed at the Giants for trying to trade up for
Drake May, They laughed at him. Adam Peters wouldn't even
pick up his phone. You know, fast Cleveland and New
York would trade back for a haul of picks. It
changes the landscape depending on the market variables. And in football,

(46:04):
the market variables in the draft are the players. And
these players are viewed as, as the kids would say,
kind of mid, which is not fair because some of
these players are gonna go on to be stars, but
that based on their college tape, that's how the league
views them. I thought it would be really cool to

(46:35):
be on your pod. You're definitely my favorite podcaster. I
like this guy. Ready, the Broncos have already shattered expectations.
What do you think they need to get to the
next level? Loving having Peyton and Paton Combo at the helm,
what do you think the Broncos will draft next week?
I think he said it the other day running back.
I think they're going to draft a running back in

(46:56):
I would guess the second round. But I would say
that Omari and Hampton, if Genti's off the board, would
be at play for them to draft in the first round.
I think one of the tight ends would be at
play for them to draft in the first round. I
think wide receiver would be at play to draft in
the first round. I think they are going to go
skill positions, so I would expect I don't have the

(47:18):
Broncos draft picks in front of me, but two of
their first three picks offensive skill guys. It would be
my guess. First time listener of the podcast, like your work,
I'm a Dier Jacks fan. I want Genty at pick five.
I know you've been critical of that idea and should

(47:41):
the gent should be considered a top five, six to
seven pick, but in my estimation, he's easily the best
player left remaining in the draft once you get to
pick five. I'm sorry, but I have just witnessed Saquon
and CMC carry their offenses to Super Bowls over the
past two seasons. I understand that it's considered bad value

(48:01):
to draft a running back that high. But you could
also look at it from the opposite perspective and think,
when genty finally has to get paid, at least you
don't have to dish out a massive contract. Also, receivers
get paid way more than running backs and touch the
ball way less. So what are your thoughts? Well, I
don't think. I don't view him as good as Christian

(48:24):
McCaffrey or Saquon Barkley coming out of college. So Saquon
Barkley went to Christian McCaffrey, I think went eight. I
view both those guys as much better prospects, like I
think they both You know, drafting and running back that
high is pretty crazy, But I would take ranking one
coming out of Penn State, one coming out of Stanford,

(48:46):
and one coming out of Boise to me, he's third
on that list just using those two examples. But using
your example of them carrying teams to playoffs, I wouldn't
say sa Quanders or Christian carried their team to playoffs, right,
Their defenses were good, the quarterbacks had good years or
good games. Pretty had a good year, you know, hurts

(49:06):
had good games and when it was really important, played well.
But they didn't get drafted by the Niners or the Eagles. Right,
the Niners traded for Christian a second and a third
round pick and a fourth I think, so they trade
a lot. And the Eagles just signed Saquon Barkley. So

(49:26):
is your guys offensive line good? You know, we saw
Gent go up against Penn State, who obviously has an
awesome defense, especially a good front, and Boise is not
gonna have the offensive line relative to their defensive line
and kind of got overmatched and Gent couldn't do that much.
So the same thing happened with Saquon in New York.

(49:48):
And listen, I feel like I hate I'm not I
love the player, but I've seen a lot of people
are like, even just recently, if you're comparing him to
Barry Sanders, like, I'm sorry, I'm out Smith was small,
So that's our comp Emmett Smith. We're comparing him to
Emmett Smith, who I'm pretty sure came out of Florida.
Didn't Emmitt Smith win the Heisman? Obviously, Barry was like

(50:10):
one of the greatest college running backs of all time
at Oklahoma State. Like, if that's your comp then it's
like if cam Ward's comp is Patrick Mahomes, we got problems.
Let's make normal people comps and it's like, yeah, he
breaks a lot of tackles. Well yeah, New Mexico, Fresno State,
San Diego State. That is not like the NFL players.

(50:30):
It's just not so. And if we compare him to
Jamior Gibbs, also a shorter player, well I would take
gent and Tyler Warren because that's what they got. They
got Jamiir Gibbs and Laporta. The other thing is Jamier
Gibbs is an elite wide receiver. Jamier Gibbs like CMC,
like Alvin Kamara, you know, like some of these wider

(50:54):
LT and Marshall Falk, they could just play wide receiver.
Jamier Gibbs could just play wide receiver. Right can Genty
because to me, Genty's much more of a running back,
a little bit more like Saquon. Well, Saquon's like one
of the fastest players in the league. Gentz wouldn't even
run a forty. So I just think this time of

(51:16):
year it sucks because you can have a really unreal prospect.
But we just got to ask like critical questions. I
was going back. Saquon ran a four to four to
zero coming out of College at two hundred and thirty
three pounds and in the Big Ten ran for four
thousand yards and forty three touchdowns. I just think comparing

(51:40):
Genty to Saquon or Barry Sanders feels fucking insane. I
mean insane. If he is, then he'll be one of
the greatest picks of all time because he'll go somewhere
between five and twelve and become Barry Sanders. So if
he's Barry Sanders, then yeah, I'd take him pliers with

(52:02):
the Jacks. I just think it's pretty risky taking a
running back from Boise State at five overall, even in
a bad draft, I'd rather just take I don't know
Michigan's defense tackle that worst case scenario. I know I'm
can probably get a solid player. We have seen running
backs not work out. Uh. I thought maybe you would

(52:27):
add this to the mailbox, AKA I call the mail bag,
but we can call it the mailbox. What do you
think constitutes a draft bust? Cleveland media still remain maintains
that Baker was a bust, while Tampa City in locker
room loves him. Is it possible both are true? He
was a bust for Cleveland being that he was taken
at number one, yet he was going to have a

(52:50):
very successful career as a Buck with one more contract
extension that will he'll hold all Tampa quarterback records. I
think to be a bust, you have to be a
bad player. So a bust isn't just like Cleveland's problem,
Baker Mayfield would have had to be a bad player.
Like a bust is Trey Lance, like that's a bust,

(53:15):
Like that's just he's just not good enough to play
in the NFL. But if you the forty nine ers
drafted Solomon Thomas number three overall, Solomon Thomas is gonna
have like a fourteen year career. Now, it was a
missed pick by the forty nine ers, but Solomon Thomas
is not a bust. Baker Mayfield is not a bust
because he's gonna he's gonna make Pro Bowls. But it

(53:37):
was the wrong pick for Cleveland, or it was a
miss because he doesn't you didn't get a second contract
for them. So I think most players are fall under
that category, right, because the percentage of guys that signed
contract extensions, it's like ten to fifteen guys a team. Right,
the I draft and then I signed to a contract extension.

(54:01):
We'd have to do a study on that, but it's
not that high. The Eagles do it a lot, right,
Lane Johnson, Jurgens Dickerson, Jalen Goddard, Devonte Smith. Right, they
have a crew of guys that they drafted and they extended.
Those are hits. But to me, a bust is a
guy that I draft and then he sucks for the Eagles.

(54:25):
Danny Watkins draft him, not good enough out of the league.
But a miss is like, well, this guy stays in
the league, he just didn't work out for me. That
is not a bust. So that's how I would compare that.
Can Nico Harrison shut up about the Luca trade. I

(54:46):
don't want to hear any more about defense or how
he didn't know how important Luca was to Dallas. I
used to be told this a lot. It's actually worked
out to my benefit. But you know, I talk for
a living. I've always talked a lot, and when you're young,
sometimes you know your parents, your teachers or whatever don't

(55:07):
want to hear what you have to say. And you know,
my dad we used to butt head sometimes because I
was a big I have to have the last word
and Obviously he's the dad and doesn't like that. So
you just you get told to shut up, don't say
anything more. Sometimes that advice, it's like, just don't say
anything more. You'd better off going no comment. But his

(55:29):
comment today and his end of the season press conference
that he didn't know how much Luca meant to the city,
that's that's a tough one question for the bag. I've
been interviewing for many manufacturing engineering jobs lately, and despite
having a great resume, I'm having trouble landing the job.
Do you have any advice for dues and doats don'ts

(55:52):
when interviewing. Thanks, I'm not a great person to ask.
I'm forty years old. I've only i mean, like not considering,
like college, like interviewing for stupid jobs. Had one real
interview in my life and that was with the Eagles.
You boy got it on the spot. Well, I mean

(56:13):
I had to go through the interview, but didn't leave
without getting the job. So I've interviewed people when I
when I was working with Philly or at least helped
you know, again, low level positions. It just depends, like
if you're really really young, I would just I don't

(56:35):
have a girl. I'm actually the wrong person to ask.
I really am. I had a good friend who's married.
She's my good friend as well to she's really impressive.
And she left a company pretty recently to get a
job with another company, and the company wanted her an interview,
and when she showed up, she didn't bring anything, and

(56:55):
I think when the interview started they asked her, like,
did you bring a resume or whatever. She's like, no,
you guys wanted to talk to me. I didn't start this.
She realized like after a minute, She's like, that was
a pretty bold thing to say, but it worked. Like damn,
this chick means business. She's like, you guys want me,

(57:15):
I didn't call you up. And so, like I think
there's a balance of if you're young, you know what
I mean, anding going you need them, You go in
bright eyed, bushy tails, try to sell on energy and
passion because for the most part, people young, their resume
is going to be as good as you think it

(57:36):
actually is when you walk in there with that piece
of paper. Now, once you get to my age forties
or fifties, and you've been doing something for a long
period of time and you have a lot to fall
back on a lot of experience doing whatever you do.
Then I think you can kind of be cocky a
little bit in those But I don't have great advice
just because I haven't been a part of interviewing really,

(58:01):
so good luck. I imagine you're young. If you're hitting
me up, you look kind of young. I would go in,
try to sell on passion, energy and do whatever it takes. Obviously,
in your job, the manufacturing engineering, that's also something pretty specific.
So maybe that's bad advice. Maybe it really is because

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something like that, I could walk into that job. They'd
be like, we like this guy, we want him part
of the company. But you got to have the requisite
skills to do that level of engineering. I mean I
went to cal paul An engineering school. I was drinking
and partying and screwing around for four years. Basically the
engineers were in the library working their ass off. So

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it's whatever you have done to become what you've become
your degree, Like, i'd be proud of it and use
your advantage, like I'm ready to go. I not only
think I know what I'm doing, but I can help
this out and learn whatever you need me to know
and I'll be ready to rock and roll and dominate
the engineering field. So good luck to you God. We're

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getting some job questions here. I'm in my first job
post graduating from my masters. Currently I work in a
job that I don't like. Is an hour drive to
and from where my boss does unprofessional things like yelling
at meetings with clients. Jeez, a little wild card. I
have an interview coming up next week with a great
company back home. How would you approach leaving my current job?

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Should I be offered the position? I think if you
are in a position where you respect the people who
you work with right and care about the lasting relationships,
even if they're not guaranteed to pay off in the future,
I think you just approach it how everyone else approaches
it in the company, right. You give your two weeks,
You let them know you'd be very professional about it.

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If you think this guy is a complete loser and
they've treated you shitty and you don't care, and you're
pretty confident that, like whatever, I wouldn't really worry about it.
Whatever the protocol is, give them your two weeks, or
you can just quit whenever. I don't exactly know where
your situation is but I would I wouldn't say a
peep until I got the job, And then once I

(01:00:08):
got the job, I would spend much time thinking about
it besides just letting them know you're leaving. You want
to get away from this, this wild card, that's for sure.
How much do organizations consider division opponents when it comes
to the team building process. I think it really used
to matter, like really mattered back. You know, you heard

(01:00:30):
so many old school people in the eighties and the nineties,
in the two thousands. I do wonder with seventeen games
now eighteen games, if it's a little less at the forefront,
not that it's not important, Like if you're playing the Eagles,
you better have a good offensive line. If you can't block,
if you don't have good guards and centers like Jalen
Carter is gonna kill you, Nolan Senith's gonna come off

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the edge. If you don't have guys that can tackle,
how you're gonna stop? Sayuon Barkley, right, how are you
gonna if you don't have a corner, Like how are
you gonna cover a J? Brown and Ceedee Lamb and
Terry McLaurin. But I also think if you got eighteen games.
That's six of them. I wonder if that's changed a
little bit. We used to talk a lot about it
when I was with the Eagles. I think good teams

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kind of find a balance. But I do think if
you like, listen to a clip of Al Davis talk
in like nineteen ninety two, it felt like that was
a driving force in his draft philosophy for building the Raiders.
I don't. I watch a lot of GM press conferences
and clips. It doesn't feel as like prominent as it

(01:01:36):
once did. I probably give terrible interview advice. I'm just
the wrong guy to ask on that one, especially like
if I were to interview someone doing this, it would
be more like passion. But some jobs like yeah, we
need a financial planner, Like you either know what you're
doing or you don't. I wanted to get your thoughts

(01:02:12):
on Travis Hunter playing both ways. I understand he's a
freak athlete, but I'm just wondering, from a team standpoint,
is it even possible with team meetings in practice? The
kid would be running himself ragged trying to do both.
I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like
it would be the best for him and whoever drafts him.
I thought John Harbaugh, who has been around football his

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entire life. His dad was a coach, his brother was
a player. He started coaching immediately after he was done
playing it, like Miami of Ohio. He's coached Hall of famers,
He's been a Super Bowls, MVPs, He's seen it all,
and he's like, there's just not enough time in the day.
It is so hard to be good. I mean, think

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about the best athletes we talk about in any sport,
how much tickets, how detailed they are, how much effort
goes in to being great at what they do right,
and football specifically, when so much of it is about
mental preparation. In you said, team meetings will then unit meetings,
which is if your dB the DBS side of the ball,

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like offensive defense, the way you practice in the unit
you practice with anyone that's been to practice or played football,
and like high school knows, O line's here, D line's here,
DBS wide receivers, like everything is is separated by your group,
and then your group who you would go against. You know, linebackers,

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running backs, O line, D line quarterbacks. You know, throw
with the wide receivers and the DBS, the special teams.
It's all segregated, so it'd be very difficult. I guess
if you're a wide receiver in a dB, you take
one repid dB, one repid wide receiver, but you'd be
getting lacked by the other guy that was drafted in
the fourth round who's only focus on wide receiver and

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two years in he's going to improve. I mean, how
often do we see guys like the guy goes in
the fourth round, all of a sudden he's Terry McLaurin.
You know, happens all the time. So you know, the
famous football saying is you're either getting better you're getting worse.
No one stays the same. It's impossible to get better
if you don't put all your chips in the middle

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of the table at that thing. So I think John
Harbaughs said it perfectly, is like there's just not enough
time to be great at both. One is gonna regress.
So what I think is most realistic is you try
to dominate at corner dB and then play some wide receiver.
But I don't think that you could play because I

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think that it's been reported on that he was with
the DBS in college, right that's where he spend most
of his time, and then he would just play wide
receiver because he knew the plays. I don't think you
could do that in the NFL. I really don't. I
think it's going to be very, very difficult. And I'm
not trying to be negative, Nancy. I fucking loved watching
him play. It was awesome. He's way tougher than he

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gets credit for as a tackler. He made one I
forget who they were playing Baylor some game this year
where he caused like basically the game winning fumble at
the goal line. He's stunt. I think it was bailor
because it was overtime, it was the game that should
do or through the game, tying touchdown, rolling to his left,
And I just don't think it's possible. I really don't

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he could do it, but to maximize his career and
to become like ultimately, his goal when you draft him,
if the Browns take him, if the Giants take him,
he's going in the top two or three picks, is
to become a superstar. And I think the only way
you become a superstar is by fully focusing on the
one thing you know. It's the only way to do it,

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Like justin Jefferson, only focus on getting open. It's his
only thought. So my routes, my footwork, my technique, the coverages,
and then you know, how do I catch the ball,
my hands, the jugs than the mental appropriate preparation of
getting my body ready to do all that, it's all

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focused on playing wide receiver. Same thing with defensive back.
When you're a great defensive back, all you're focused on
doing that. I don't think it's I just don't think
it's possible. Not the highest level. If he had done
in the SEC, I would give it a little more
than the Big twelve. I'm sorry, it's just not as good.
He's great, but the conference kind of sucks. The volume