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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is going on everybody, John Middlecop Go Low Pod,
Hope everyone is having a good week.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
A lot going on, a lot of moving parts. Here's
the plan.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We usually do the mailbag at the end, but there's
not a lot going on in the golfing world, so
I thought I'd just bang that bad boy out before Soble.
So what we will do is at Golo pods the Instagram,
you fire in the dms and you get your questions
answered on the show. I will do that at the
top of the show, and then I talked to Soble
for like twenty five thirty minutes a lot about other
(00:42):
stuff because this week TPC Craig Ranch, he gives a
couple of long shots, and then next week we will
go deep in depth. We got our second major of
the year at the PGA Championship. I've already got some
ideas for some bets and yeah, we'll kind of rock
and roll from there next week, Big PGA Championship Show.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'll have.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know, I'm gonna I tend to place pretty big
bets on these majors because if you win one, there's
no better feeling, you know. Peal Pheenoe, Max Homa xanderschoffle
there's pretty good value right now in the in the
twenty to twenty eight to one range. I'll tell you
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Here's what I was thinking about doing.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Got a quick thought on this weekend, but not a
lot's going on. We got the major championship right around
the corner. We will dive deep into some gambling thoughts.
I've already been looking at the card. I think there's
a Xander Shaffley, Tony Fenow, Max Homer kind of area
that I'm gonna play next week, as well as maybe
a hat and then a Fleetwood maybe even a long
(02:44):
shot Gary Woodland hundred to one, but beside Wyndam Clark,
which I think anytime you can get your first win
on the PGA Tour, you know, like if you meet
someone that plays in the NFL, you're like, oh, this
is Billy. You played in the NFL. Well, if the
guy's not famous, you might have in the NFL for
two years or whatever, and it's incredible accomplishment or Major
League Baseball or whatever. Just like you meet a great golfer,
(03:07):
it's like, this guy played on the PGA Tour. Unreal,
but there's another level. This guy played on the PGA
Tour for a long period of time and made money.
That's really impressive. And then there's this guy played on
the PGA Tour, made a lot of money and one
tour events. I think anytime you win your first tour event,
(03:27):
whether you're a young player, whether you're an old player,
it's just an incredible accomplishment. And now with these elevated events,
to win three point whatever six million dollars doesn't get
any better. Thank Tiger Woods send him a thank you note.
And really cool to watch. And obviously Wyndham Clark's story,
you know, he's good buddies just following the Niner stuff.
Christian McCaffrey and him are very very close. He's a
(03:47):
Scottsdale guy. How I'd love to have him on this
pod sometimes that he's really changed his mental game. I mean,
that's that's a big part of his story, the mentals.
Same with Max Homer, who I think they're buddies just
in terms of the same I guess they have a
different coach. Boyd Summer Hayes is Feenale, Wyndham Clark and
(04:08):
Taylor Gooch's coach. Obviously, all those guys pretty good players.
And Gucci and Wyndham have been playing really really good
of late, so it's cool to see any guy get
their first win. And obviously it's really cool to see
a guy Harold did player. This happens a lot in golf,
whether you're like, you know, an award winning player as
a collegiate golfer, just you know, a top ranked amateur,
(04:29):
a guy that everyone goes this guy's going to have
a lot of success, and it takes you some time,
and it's cool to watch when that guy figures it out.
And that's what it feels like it's happening. It happened
to Max, you know, a couple of years ago, and
it feels like it's happening to Wyndham Clark right now.
And I root for that in golf. And he's a
fun player to watch play. Hits it a mile and
just kicked everyone's ass last weekend, very very impressive. But
(04:51):
what I want to do at the beginning of the
show is do do a little mailbag at Golo Pod
at Golo Pod and just read some of your guys'
mailback questions and then we'll dive in Soble, who's fantastic
as always. So just firing those dms. They are wide
open and ask your question, and we're gonna mix it
up on this show just because there's not as much
going on in the golfing world with TPC Craig Rantz
(05:13):
this week, which I got news free, I'm probably not
gonna watch.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Much speace out now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You probably won't either, But next week's huge, the PGA Championship,
second major of the year.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Can't freaking wait.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Let's start with Mike again, sliding those dms at golopod
love both your podcasts. Was wondering how your boss handles
your devotion to golf, as he has always said that
he would not hire a person obsessed with golf. Well,
I say this all the time. I think I mentioned
this on three and out mail bag the other day.
Is that I have to turn my hobbies in what
(05:48):
I'm passionate about in life, and I have to monetize
them because I'm not good at many things. So I
watch a ton of football. I can talk about football,
and we've turned that into a business, and I've done
the same thing with golf, or attempting to do. You know,
we've just been running this podcast now a year and
a half. I moved to Scottsdale for a reason. I'm
a big believer that the golfing world and the football
(06:08):
world intersect, and a little bit like when when a
singer moves to Nashville or an actor moves to La Obviously,
I wanted to come here. I came here for several reasons.
When everyone, whenever anyone asks, I say, return on investment
on my life. But there were business reasons, big picture
why I moved here, and I and I think golf
(06:31):
and football are directly intersected, and hopefully that comes to
fruition over the next you know, handful of years in
my life. I'm pretty confident they will. But uh, and
as they do, you know, Colin profits, as we all do.
So it's uh the great part about this industry we're in,
you know, I would call it like the startup podcast.
(06:54):
I don't even know how you would quite You could
describe it a million different ways.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You get to try a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And there's visions of this that I have in the
back of my head that are just gotta we gotta
execute now moving forward over this next couple of years stretch,
I'm pretty confident it'll all work out. And obviously you
know he's connected to that. So he's been nothing but supportive.
And we'll just keep rocking and rolling. Now here's the thing.
(07:22):
You know, Sunday's in the fall. I'm not on the
golf course. Hell, Saturday's on the fall. Unless I'm teeing
off early. I'm not on the golf course. You know,
you got to be disciplined in your life.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I'm not Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'm not just eating avocado ice cream and going to bed,
you know, nine o'clock every night. But I'm very disciplined
when it comes to work. And you know, work comes first,
and for a big part of my work is football. Now, football,
I'm lucky. It's the easiest sport to consume. You know,
it's Thursday, Sunday and Monday night, at least for the NFL, right,
(07:53):
you know, watching these guys cover basketball like shit, I'd
have no chance. It's like I couldn't every single day
for a month on end.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
This guy, I don't even care. Thank god, football.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
When I ever I hear people are like, you know, football,
let's make this thing seven days a week.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think we're good. I like the way we're at
right now.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
We're good even golf, like I get into probably obviously
the majors and the big tournaments, but like you know,
last week and I had gamble a lot on golf,
I wasn't super locked in.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I watched Sunday, but like Saturday, I was falling on
my phone. I was doing other stuff. And that's the
great part about golf.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's a little like baseball that way, you don't have
to live and die with every single week. You can
get pick your spots and you go all in. Now again,
I mean I'm covering, I'm watching it. I watched it
Thursday and Friday at my office in the background on
ESPN Plus. But by the way, ESPN Plus not a
huge ESPN guy. ESPN Plus with their PGA Tour coverage,
it's just fantastic. You just can watch, especially if you're
(08:46):
a gambler and you're gambling on bigger name guys. It's
just so easy to consume on Thursday and Friday from Nick.
Do you think Scotty and John Rohm benefit from coming
from elite college golf programs?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Are are they?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Or are they just that good? Whereas golf just the
type of sport where college performance isn't indicative of professional performance. Yeah,
I think it has a lot of parallels, like the
football or basketball. You can be a great college player
in any sport and there is no guarantee that you're
going to dominate in the pros.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You can be a great college quarterback and then struggle
in pro football. You can be a great college golfer
and not have a pro career. I would say, for
the most part, most guys on tour, now there are examples,
we're elite college players when you look at like the
top ten now twenty feen I didn't go to college.
Zander Schaffley went to San Diego State, right, But John
(09:42):
Rahm elite player Arizona State, which is like the equivalent
of like Alabama or LSU for football. At golf, Scotty
Scheffer Texas, like you said, but I talked to a
guy in the golf business that said, most people did
not see this coming with Scotty. Where Justin Thomas or
Jordan Spieth or Ricky Fowler or some of those names
people saw coming. Dustin Johnson, East East Carolina, Brooks Koepka
(10:05):
had to go to the the Asian Tours, so everyone
Max Homa was a national championship, a national champion in college,
and look how long it took him to become an
awesome player. And then there are guys like Sam Burn's
awesome college player, immediately awesome, right, So I would say
golf would be the more difficult one Beside you know,
(10:27):
the Tiger Woods, Jordan Speed, Phil Mickelson, you know, I'd
say more cow a wolf in Hovelin's class felt like,
you know, Nick Bosa or something coming out of college,
like it was you weren't gonna miss on those guys.
But it feels like there are a lot of guys,
a lot of all Americans, a lot of guys that win,
(10:47):
you know, as the Haskins Award or Player of the
Year whatever, Big twelve or SEC Player of the year.
It's not a guarantee by any means. I was golfing
in Mexico and I saw your video. Hope you're having
a great time. Who's your personal favorite golfer? That's a
good question.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I would say, whoever I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Gambling on on that given week. With Tiger Wood's career
basically being over and Phil Mickelson kind of writing often
in the sunset, I don't really have one.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I really I was a.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Big Dustin Johnson fan. I just love I loved his
pace of play, hauled ass. He just dominated. But now
that he's on live, he's I don't watch him as
much and I don't know if he's gonna care as much,
so his level of play's gonna dip.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But I was.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I was a big DJ guy. I would say people,
I'm rooting for right now. I root for Tony Final
for sure. I rote for Tony Feinal pretty heavily. I
enjoyed Jordan, I mean, I enjoyed most of the typical characters,
loved the content. Started listening during the NFL playoffs and
(11:51):
have been hooked ever since. I'm a high handicapper, but
I got fitted and got some new clubs, and boy
have they made a difference. I don't understand the stigma
of people saying getting fitted at a high handicap is
a waste of money. If it helps her game, I'd
love to hear your take. Totally agree, you know, having
clubs that fit you. We're all different sizes, right. You
(12:11):
might see a guy who's six ' four and you
might see a guy that's five to seven. Should they
be playing the same club? If you I used to
go when I worked in radio to batting practice a lot.
It was really cool part of the job. It was,
you know, I went for work, but it was really
kind of as a fan, it was like, God, I'm
just sitting there. Batting practice is when the Giants were
really good and Boachy and Hunter Pence and Posey. Everyone
(12:33):
has their own bat, right. Hunter Pence's bat is not
the same size, weight or length as Buster Posy's. Bryce
Harper's bat is not the same as Derek Jeters. Why
wouldn't our golf clubs be different? So whether you a
home run hitter or a singles hitter, you're gonna have
a different bat. You want it to fit and be comfortable.
Wouldn't it be the same with golf clubs. Just because
(12:54):
you shoot ninety and I shoot seventy five, were not
gonna play the same club. And the advantage I have
for the club fitting me, whether I'm good or bad player,
is an advantage. So yeah, I mean, I totally agree.
I think it's a no brainer. I've been listening to
your show for a while. Congrats and success. I just
do not understand why people still root or are fans
(13:16):
of Tiger Can you please shed some clarity on this.
Was he great, of course, but he is just a
horrible person scandal after scandal and very little charitable work.
There are a lot of really decent guys out there,
even if you don't read this on the pod. Thanks
for your opinion. I'm gonna push back on the charity thing.
I think the Tiger Woods Foundation does a lot, and
(13:40):
I'm not claiming to know the inner workings of it,
but I think that's pretty well established. His foundation does
a lot. I think it's like underprivileged kids with computer,
I mean all sorts stuff. You can google yourself. The
horrible person thing like he's got some knocks on the
resume that don't look good. Letely agree, well, cannot argue
(14:01):
that I will say about this specific incident is that
I do believe that it's harder for Tiger Woods to
break up with a girl than you or mad I
just I think there's a lot of complications, like if
Jeff Bezos, you follow Lauren Sanchez, Jeff Bezos's girlfriend, who's
to i think date or be married to Tony Gonzalez
(14:23):
if they got in a breakup, it's not just a
normal like, Okay, we'll just go our separate ways. It's
not how it works when you're worth hundreds of millions
or billions of dollars. It's just not whether you're in
married or not married. It's gonna get weird. There's no
way he could just say we're done. She packs up
her shit and leaves. So when he sends her to
the airport anger to go to the fake vacation, I
(14:46):
think part of it is I'll never forget when I
got hired at Fresno State and during training camp, we
would bring all sorts of different people right to give
motivational speeches, to give serious speeches, and the the head
of police would come Jerry Dyer, who I think might
even be the mayor of Fresno now. And one advice
he always gave was, anytime you were having a verbal
(15:09):
issue with a girlfriend, your wife, another a lady and
it starts getting to a spot where I don't know
where this is going to go, run lock yourself in
the uh, in the in the bathroom, or in a
room and call the police, because the moment you try
to move her out of the way, things just get weird.
(15:30):
And now Tiger's never been in a situation where there's
been domestic violence or whatever. But like it's pretty clear
to me that if he tries to break up with her,
you got to move out, move all your shit. It
could get weird, and it get weird fast, and the
cops can get called. Even if no one gets touched
or whatever, there could just be a lot of emotions
running high and it's all going to be pointed at him.
(15:51):
So to me, when he just separates her, you got
to leave, you move, it completely removes all that. So
I think a lot of people are like, why can't
you just break up with a girl normally? I don't
think it's possible. The Elin thing one hundred percent. I
don't know how you can blame anyone but Tiger. But
this situation, like I kind of understand where he's coming from.
What's you gonna say, like, hey, hey, honey, I'm over this.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You gotta go.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Like I don't think it's like, oh yeah, no problem.
Let me let me grab my sweatpants, grab a couple
pair of my shoes. I'll just take the extra car.
You'll never hear from me again. Good luck, Hopefully the
ankle gets well, and look forward to watching you. Moving
forward to Augusta and the old course like that, that's
not how it's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So I will defend.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Tiger on this, on the fact of this situation, like
I don't know exactly how to handle it, you know,
take her to an airport, pretend vacation.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I don't know what the right answer is. But I
don't think you just smoothly like, hey, I'm kind of
had enough of this.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
What do you think? I just that's all I'll say.
But I hear you. There are a lot and this
goes forward.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The reason I hold Tiger to such high esteem is
not because like I want, I want to, you know,
teach my kids everything he did and them to act
like that. It's just I watched him in the peak
of his powers and it was awesome. I don't know
if everyone says Michael Jordan's the greatest guy, but I
fucking love Michael Jordan. You know, I think he's got
some skeletons in his closet from from his prime, but
(17:17):
hell might even still be rock and rolling, but he's
Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
We hold the people that we grow up on that
are the best. Like, listen, all these guys a lot
of guys on tour, clearly great guys, really good players.
They can't hold Tiger's jock. I mean he would annihilate
them all in his prime, kill him. He would be
the best player on the PGA Tour right now by
a wide margin. You should do a What's in the
(17:41):
Bag video? I was actually talking with a person that
works for a club manufacturer. Might be might be in
goots and working on something. I need to go get
fitted and maybe get some new sticks, But right now
my clubs are just a couple of year old tailor
mades kind of a mix and match. Away is a
putter that I bought at the PGA Tour superstore. But
(18:04):
I hear you we might got something coming down the
pike on that one. Back at it again with my
main man, Jason Soble. Hear him every week on Serious XM.
Read him on the Action Network. I dove into that website.
I mean I didn't quite realize the in depth gambling
(18:24):
that goes on on that bad boy.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
A lot of numbers, a lot of stats.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Dove into some other sports, Baseball, I mean, talk about
numbers all over the map. The golf much easier to
consume more my pace sobl So I'm glad that's what
we're talking about. Because you dive into baseball like a
random Tuesday. Holy moly, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
See, I think golf is easier just because I've been
entrenched in it for so long that when I sit
here and talk about I like, this guy's a top
forty strokes game putting, he's thirty first this season, and
his prety average is this. I start getting into numbers
and I'm like, ah, it just makes sense because it's golf.
I'll read some of the baseball stuff and it's like,
(19:02):
here's why this picture should have under four and a
half strikeouts. In the Phillies Padres game and they're getting
into war and they're getting into Bobip and they're getting
into the whip and they're like, I'm like, you've lost me.
Other than I know that's a winning bet because everything
they're telling you is like it makes some sense analytically,
I know. Yeah, there's a lot of information out.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
There that they're trying to monitor, you know, who, how
the four starters pitch, and we're just trying to monitor
who Tiger's next girlfriend is.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Not touching it, not touching. I told you before the
pod started and James Wade press record ten minutes earlier,
that would have been a really bad thing. We went there,
we talked about things, and now we're actually doing the
odd air stuff, so I'm not going there.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know, some people have a lot, some people have
interesting personal lives, and clearly Tiger Tiger does wish him
the best and his future endeavors on that element of
his life.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
But look, honestly, just like break up with the girl
in a normal way, like if every guy has broken
up with a girl at some point, just do it
and be like, hey, it's not you, it's me, it's
not working out, good luck with everything.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I'll see you later. Let me know if you need anything, references, whatever,
but I'll see it later. Instead, it's center to the
airport and have the lawyer break the news to her
and then we'll go through the NDA and we'll have lawsuits.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's weird, like the Tiger I grew up on, you know,
in the mid nineties, like when I was in junior
high high school, was just this cold blooded killer, and
then obviously the stories came out and then he became
like in my adult life, this much smoother dude, at
least publicly, right, the way he acts with his friends
and buddies and on TV. You could put him on
(20:53):
with Nance and some of these events and it was
just like he just kind of matured the wrong way.
Because obviously a smart guy, but he's just let down
his guard a little bit. It does feel that's still
an element of his life that he is a little
bit of throwback that he's holding on to, just not
as tactful, you know.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yeah, for guy who has cheerfully crafted an image, a
career practice schedule, like everything about it has been like
so carefully monitored and crafted and figured out that it
feels like there are certain tricks of the personal life.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
They are like, all right, let's throw stuff up against
the wall and see what happens. Let's try this, and
I don't know, it's just look and I hope that
he is able to bounce back from this professionally. I
hope he's able to bounce back personally privately all that
kind of stuff. I certainly won't be writing about it,
you know, you and I can kind of, you know,
(21:48):
just talk about it a little bit on here, but
it's not like I'm going to sit here and do
entire radio shows on Tiger's personal life. I didn't do
that back in two thousand and nine, certainly not going
to do it now, but uh, I don't know. Hope
we'll begin focus on his health and his golf moving
forward now.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, one thing's definitely different, right. The breakup with Stevie
Williams was clearly pretty ugly, right. It was not a
smooth break, you know, I think you know better than me.
The same kind of feels like ghost for fill and
bones some of these famous breakups, you know, the two
most famous guys.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
The last couple decades.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Rugly, this it's hard to even call it a split
because it's not like Tiger's playing, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
But this, clearly he's.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Going to another bag full time, feels much smoother, at
least publicly, And anyone that's followed or read about Tiger's
life sometimes publicly doesn't always follow what's actually happening. But
I'm going to take this on face value because Joe
and Tiger honestly feel like a justin Thomas and Tiger,
like the friendship and their closeness is really real. Tiger's
(22:51):
obviously much in a different place in terms of age
than he was with Stevie Williams. From everything, I'm sure
you know you've talked to a lot of people over
the last six seven days about this.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
What have you heard about the split?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Can't They said, he didn't ask Tiger, just all the
different details from talking around.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, these things usually go from like manager to manager
or you know, kind of go around the players themselves.
There's very there's very few times when a player will
call another player, especially I mean, I guess it's a
unique situation, but that part doesn't surprise me. What the
biggest takeaway for me is And remember you and I
were doing this pod last week when the news came down,
(23:29):
and I'm sitting there going, look, I don't think it's
a one week thing. I think it might be more
than just one week. I think this could be a
long term deal for Can't Lay and Joelkava. And within
a couple of hours we learned that that indeed was
the case. And so for me, the biggest takeaway here
is that Tiger understands. And I know a lot of
(23:50):
people said, oh, yeah, well, Tiger wasn't playing a lot
of golf before this anyway, so we know he's not
going to play anytime soon. To me, this is Tiger
saying no, Like it's not I'm not gonna play soon,
like I don't have a golf courier. Moving forward, he
might play some events. He might play the Masters every year,
might play the Open Championship every year if he's healthy
(24:10):
enough to do it. But this is Tiger essentially waving
the white flag and go, And I like, I can't
in good conscience see a guy like Joe Lokava, who's
one of the best caddies of all time, on the
bench fifty weeks out of the year, forty nine weeks
out of the year, just so he can come work
for me when I'm going out to try to play
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a major championship once in a while. And so it's
taken Tiger a couple of years to get to this point.
I'm not sure that if Joelakava had come to Tiger
with this two years ago that Tiger would have had
the same response. But now the fact that Tiger has
this response, I think that speaks volumes about what he
thinks about his own future.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He a little trivia question for you.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I don't even actually know the answer, but obviously there's
been several caddies, including Joelacava, that have won multiple majors
with multiple you know, would he be the first if
him and can't lay win a major to win a
major with three different guys, I.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Would say unequivocally no, top of my head.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Bones obviously, Phil Justin Thomas, Stevie Williams, and Adam Tiger, Woods, Lacava,
Tiger and and Freddy Couple's correct.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, it was a Cova on Freddy's bag when Freddy
won Masters.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Uh, I don't have the answer to that off the
top of my head, just like you don't. I'm going
to say that there absolutely had to be somebody back
in the day who had done it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Not counting the Masters caddies that always just you know,
for a long period of time, right, you couldn't bring
your own caddy to the Masters. I forget the date
that changed, but that there might be a guy that
you know clearly rattled off some dubs you know, in
the forties, fifty sixty, seventies.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
But that's something that.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
You know in your radio show. Just that's a good
one for you. Last time we talked, Rory hadn't talked.
We all kind of assumed what he was going to say,
and he kind of admitted it, like I just needed
a break, was over, it needed to reset. Then I
sat down on my couch Thursday. He played pretty well
on Friday, I mean he was atrocious. It was like
it looked like me. I mean, he was hitting it
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all over the yard. He was terrible. Not a great
week for Rory. Is he going a little NBA style
load management? And he's just it's just going to be
kind of tiger Wood styles looking about these three four
majors every single year and the rest of the season,
like he's just going to try to peak next week.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And then in a month and then at the Open.
I mean that's kind of what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I guess. So, I mean, look, this is what all
the elite level players are trying to do, quite frankly,
is you know I want my game to peak four
times a year. If you're not going and I maintained
this all the time. Look, if you're not going to
be playing your best golf going out to Quail Hollow,
and I know it's a designated event, it's a bigger one,
but will play not your best golf? It's something that's
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not a major then, and it's really you know, I
almost think it's a little hypocritical of us, and I
say us collectively in the media and fans when one
of the top players isn't playing his best golf and
it's not a major championship week, and we're like, what's
wrong with so and so? Well, that same so and
so has said I want to play my best golf
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four times a year. I want my game to peak,
And so we're like, well, why didn't it peak on
that eleventh time of the year that you wanted it
to peak. He can't peak every single week. All that said,
when it comes to Rory, I don't know how to
measure his mindset right now. There is no look we
can look at strokes gained off the tee, strokes gained
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approach shots, strokes gained putting. We cannot look at strokes
gained mental state right now for Rory McElroy, and I
don't know how we assess this. I will defer to
my friend Gary Williams, who I did a radio show
with yesterday. He filled in for Collins and Gary was
at Quell Hollow all week. He followed Rory for much
of the week, and he was very pessimistic about Rory's
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short term future, at least moving forward towards the PGA Championship.
I said, are you buying or selling Rory McLay going
into the PGA and he said he would sell based
on everything he saw from him last week. I don't
know how much of that is the scar tissue left
over from the miscut of the Masters. I don't know
how much of it is just the wear and tear
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on him mentally from answering all the live and PGA
Tour questions over the past year and a half. I
don't know how much of it is just not being
able to manage his time the way he needs to
and some of this. And this is a great point
that I heard. Where was it, I guess it was
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Shane Ryan's column that he wrote for Golf Digest where
he was speaking with Paul mcginlick years ago, and this
was like, remember the Players Championship was right at the
start of OVID nineteen.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, and this was like two days before.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
They had canceled the Players Championship and he was speaking
with Paul McGinley and Paul was using as an example
Rory was in the interview room and he was asked
about something and he started delving into the coronavirus and
it's the US prepared for it, and what did it
mean through the CDC and all the stuff. He's like,
why is Rory talking about that? You've never heard Dustin
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Johnson talking about the government's preparation for an airborne disease,
Like play golf, worry about golf, don't worry about all
these other things. And he said, it's almost hurt Rory
mac rory, the fact that he is such an eloquinn otinionated,
thoughtful type person whose interests go way beyond golf, that
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it tends to hurt his golf bait game because he's
focused on so much else that's going on in the world.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Thoughts on the Wyndham Clark win. Obviously he's been you know,
was a highly touted college guy. Hits the ball a mile,
you know, as someone that had sprinkled a little money
on fleetwood and stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
He just started running away from the field and he
was I thought it was fucking awesome.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Over the weekend, obviously Saturday he was unreal, but even
Sunday and he talked about it. I didn't quite realize
the story about the mental game this year is something
that because he's had the talent, but is something that
he focused on being a being more positive.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Holme has talked about this before.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Some of these guys with these elite talent can be
I mean, it's the game of golf. It can really
put you in a bad mental space if you stay positive.
Holy moly, this guy you wrote about him in your
piece for TPC, Craig Ranch like, he's I mean, we
got to talk about him, you know, in the mix
for the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
So a lot of different pieces here. First of all, yeah,
I wrote about it. If you haven't read my preview
yet this week, I started the preview off with just
talking about the makeup of the US Ryder Cup team.
To me, there's almost ten locks.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
I mean, yeah, there's always illness, injury, prolonged slump, but
for the most part, the top ten or the top ten,
and whether by automatic qualification or by wild card selection,
I think we can pretty much put ten names on
that list.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
The final two names on that US Ryder Cup team.
I think it's gonna be one of the great stories
of the summer. This underlying subplot of I mean literally,
there are two dozen players who could stake a claim
for one of these last spots, including a couple of
live players, So you know, I think that's gonna be
really intriguing moving forward. As for Windham Clark this past weekend,
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I thought Quail Hollo was great. I thought the course
was awesome. I thought the tournament was really good designated
event in a big time major championship golf course. The
only thing that went wrong was the fact that Wyndham
Clark played too well and so we had no drama
towards the end. The back nine was essentially like a
coronation for a guy winning his first career PGA Tour
event instead of hey, six guys have a chance with
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three holes left to play, which is what we like
to see. The mental side of the game is something
that Wyndham is really really tight with. My buddy Drew Staltz,
a sleeve who has the show before me with Pulton
Nohost on series XMPGA to a Radio. Drew told me
a few months ago that, very much based on Max
Homer's success, that Wyndham was starting to work with where
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they call it a sports psychologist, a mental guru, whatever
it might be, that he was starting to work with
someone on that side of the game, and he talked
very openly and honestly afterwards about just having the right
mindset and being in the moment, and I think that's
helped him immensely as far as the physical technical part
of his game. He was a guy that I think
people out there who are betting on a weekly basis
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and understand the betting markets and understand players' strengths and weaknesses.
We've looked at Wyndham Clark of the last few years,
a guy who drives it really well, wants it really well,
everything in between that s kind depends on the week.
Sometimes pretty good, sometimes not so good. This year, he's
turned himself into a better iron player than anything else,
and you're seeing the success right now. Goes to show
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you that iron play rules Everything. Doesn't mean you can
drive it off the planet. Every hole, doesn't mean you
can hit it two thirty off the team. As long
as you drive it pretty well, if you're a really
good iron player, you're going to find success. That's what
he's done so far this year, and he is not
going anywhere. I did a radio hit on a local
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Charlotte station yesterday and they asked me about you know, well,
we've seen Rory win for the first time at Quail Ricky,
and I said, let's not put those sort of expectations
on Wyndham Clark. I don't think he's a guy that's
gonna start winning majors, mean number one in the world.
But is this a guy who could make the US
Ryder Cup teams, this guy who could challenge for a
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major championship. Is this guy who could win one more
time before the year's up? Yes, yes, and yes to
all those things.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Good childhood friends with the McCaffrey family. I know Christian
was fired up with him winning that. Uh you know,
obviously if it wasn't for him, Zander wins the tournament
pretty easily. He's a guy, you know, a lot like
Tony when these majors, you know, come up that just
feel like their game is just you and I last
week talked about Tony at the US Open. You know,
(34:16):
I think a lot of people are going to be
on him probably this next week to Xander's another guy
that you know. I just think, as long as you
can get them at twenty five ish to one odds, that,
you know, relative for the top guys, he's right there,
you know, and we can talk all we want. You know,
he just doesn't get it done. Doesn't get it done.
But when they showed his stats going into Sunday Agains Windham,
I mean, because they're actually not that far off in age,
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similar amount of career starts. It's like, and this is
the hard part about golf, right, if you don't win,
it's almost like we knock yet. But when you look
at him just rattling off and the amount of money
the dude's making in his game, I mean he's clearly,
like you said, he's not just the top ten lock
Ryder Cup guys like he's near one. He's closer to
one than he is ten, you know, in terms of
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the crew, right right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
We're sitting here talking about Xander Schoffley, Hey, what went wrong?
Because he finished only in second place, whereas we're not
talking about you know, someone else had finished in forty
first place, because there's no reason to talk about him.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And so I own you you like him?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Next week, I do like him. I just started making
my list. I think he is going to be very
prominently involved in my list. I will say that. For
as much as John Rahm and Scotti Scheffler have won
already this year, and they've won some really big events,
keeping their numbers short have helped out if you want
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to chase some numbers. I mean you mentioned Xander twenty
five to one. I don't know that he'll be that
high that long, but I think at twenty to one,
he's a really nice play next week. Sun jaym is
the guy that I'm looking at. I think he's going
to play really well at okill. You go back ten
years and the guys at the top of that list,
Jason Duffner, Jim Feurick, Henrik Stenson, they were all ball strikers. Guys.
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If you're not hitting your irons well, you're just not
going to perform that well on that golf course. And
so I'm looking at guys the strokes gained, approach shots stats,
the greens regulation, things like that or what I'm looking
at for next week, and so Xander will feature prominently,
I think in my plays next week. And look, he's
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playing really well. I think that the biggest thing for him.
If I'm advising Xander somehow and you listen to me,
I think the biggest thing for me is you don't
have to do anything differently. It's just, you know, don't
get your head down the fact that you're playing really
well and not winning golf tournaments. At some point the
tables will turn. At some point you wind up on top.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Well, no one's gonna get TPC Craig Ranch, you know,
twisted with Augusta or Olympic Club.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
But it is an event.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
This week, Jordan just backed out Scheffler's playing. You got
some plays. I know you kind of like some of
the longer shots this week, and that's right up my alley.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, this is a week where we can chase numbers,
which is nice because quite frankly, over the last handful
of weeks you haven't really been able to do that.
I mean, I know Wyndam Clark was sixty to one
last week, but it was really hard before the tournament
to look past some lower numbers. So even if you
had Wyndham Clark, you might have had a guy at
twelve to one, a guy at eighteen to one, a
guy at twenty two to one along there with them.
(37:20):
So I am bypassing a lot of the short numbers
this week. Look can Scotty Scheffler go out and win
this golf tournament by five. Sure, but what we've seen
over the last two years, ah Lee won with a
score of twenty five hundred two years ago. He won
again last year with a score of twenty six under.
Anytime we get scoring that's that low in relation to parr,
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it seems like it becomes more of a level playing field.
It's more of a hey, anything can happen. Some guy
gets hot with a putter on the weekend, shoots pair
of sixty threes and he can go win. It's less
of a ball strikers kind of contest, something that would
play into the hands of a guy like Scheffler. Oh,
some of the names on my list. The shortest number
(38:02):
I'll have is Seamus Power, who opened it forty five
to one. He's after Speek w D. He's probably about
thirty five or forty to one right now. Still a
pretty good number on a guy who has shown that
he can go low at these kind of events. He's
shown that he can win an event against an inferior
type of field like we have this week. I'll rattle
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off a whole bunch of other names because I've got
him written down in front of me. Justin saw Jimmy
Walker starting to play some good golf again. Scott Stallings
told me a few months ago that this is one
he added to his schedule based on looking at some
analytics and what should fit his game, and he really
likes it here. Michael Kim had him on the radio
show yesterday. He lives nearby and practices at Craig Ranch
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pretty decent amount. Eric Cole's played some really good golf
as a rookie this year. So those are some of
the names. And I think that not going into a
Scottie Scheffler, not getting a guy with a short number
that allows us to play a few more players at
longer odds. John, so I think he can chase some
of those numbers.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Michael Kim's kind of an interesting name. I mean, he
clearly is playing really well right now. You know, Harold
did college player play with Max at cal I mean
was elite, right, I mean Heisman Trophy at golf. I
mean he's won on the PGA Tour before. He's a
guy that you know for longer ods, even if you
don't want to pick to win top tens, top fives,
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you know in some of these, especially some of these
events when some.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Of the top guys aren't playing. He's a guy with
some pedigree.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Really interesting stuff from him on the show yesterday. So
if you don't know the story, five years ago, this
summer he won the John Deere Classic kind of out
of nowhere, and he told me yesterday, said, I kind
of won it too soon. I like, I wasn't really
ready to win a PGA Tour event yet got into
the Open Championship the next week, finished in thirty fifth place.
That was fine. Didn't have a top sixty at his
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last nine starts of that year. Okay, a little you know,
kind of come down after a win, and that's happened,
and you know, figure, you go get him next year.
The next year, he did not make the cut in
an event with a cut. The entire year that was
in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, he didn't make a single cut.
He didn't make a dollar in twenty twenty. On the
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golf course, twenty twenty one, comes out and starts to
slowly play some better golf, but not enough that we're
really paying attention. Last year a little bit better all
of a sudden, now he's working with Sean Foley. He's
figured some things out. Two top tens in his last
six starts, hasn't missed a cut during that span, Like
you said, playing some really good golf. Finally had some confidence.
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He said. He worked on the game technically, he's worked
on the game from a mental standpoint, emotionally, physiology, psychology,
the physiology of golf, everything that he's gone through. I
mean he's reading books on how to succeed and how
to have the right mindset. So working really well for him.
So yeah, he's a guy that, yeah, I'll have a
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little sprinkling out right, but I think for me he's
more of a top ten play again.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, I mean, to me, there are two routes on
the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
There are the Scotti's, the Sam Burns, the Speach the
justice to just hit the ground running, and then there
are a lot of Max Homas, Wyndham Clark's. You know
this guy, you know, I mean, this guy's won before.
It took wind him a little while, but you know
what I mean, that just it's fucking hard. But then
they figure it out and you're like, holy hell. This
guy then goes on to have a longer career, playing
at a high level, making a lot of cash.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
The Windhom Clark trajectory is the that's the trajectory, that's
the usual, that's the normal trajectory, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Scotty Scheffler's not normal.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, I mean Scott took a year or two to
win his first event. Jordan Speed role in Marekowa. Those
guys are not normal.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
When you get out to the PGA Tour and you
start winning golf tournaments and that almost does something to
you later in your career. You almost need that adversity
at first kind of learning how to win, you start
winning right away. Think about Jordan Speet's mindset right now.
He was winning so much as a young player in
his early twenties that now when he's not winning on
a regular basis, he's like, well, I'm chasing the old
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version of myself. As opposed to someone like Wyndham Clark,
who doesn't know any better, someone like Max Homa who
started winning a little bit later in his career. I
think first of all, they appreciate it more, and secondly,
they're not trying to chase who they were five, six,
seven years ago because they weren't anything back then and
so they're they're building up to the success. And I
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think that a lot of times, at least in the
prognostication game where we're trying to figure out who's gonna
play well, looking at the guys who have built up
a resume and have gotten to that point and then
started winning. As both of those who have won early
and are trying to replicate that success, there's something to
be said for playing the former over the ladder sometimes.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
For sure, in the reality with golf, it's gonna get
you at some point or the other, right, Ricky Jordan
took longer for some of these guys. That happened right
off the bat, But you're gonna go through a stretch
where you're gonna contemplate it. I quit the game of
golf because it's it's hard, you know, it's just it's
just it's a It's a unique sport that way, where
you know, in basketball, once Steph Curry or Lebron or
(43:11):
Anthony Davis, you're just great right until it's over. You know,
a lot of these guys just hit a roll and
you never know what it's coming.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
It happened to I mean, if you're a professional golfer.
All you have to hear is Siger Woods went through
multiple roles in his career, the greatest player, the chipping yips,
you could put them all the great from ten yards away.
I mean this is to see that. I mean that's
either got to be very encouraging as a young professional golfer.
(43:40):
You're like, ah, Tiger went through it. I don't have
to be perfect all the time. That's something that Holma's
talked about a lot, Like, just because I don't shoot
a good round, shoot a good score, doesn't mean I'm
a bad golfer. Doesn't mean I'm a bad person. It
just means I didn't shoot a good score that day.
But it's either encouraging or it makes the game seem
utterly impossible. If you're like, well, shit, if Tiger Woods
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couldn't hit a ball in the green from ten yards away,
how the hell am I supposed to do it? He's
the craatest of all time. I'm going out here trying
to make a cut on the PGA Tour and like,
this thing's really really hard. So yeah, it's tough game.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
If she really wants to make it, sting, her final
text to him should be I hope you get the
chipping yips again, God speaking God.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Okay, my God, Okay, So well, I'm kidding. Don't say
that to a tiger.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I have a good one. Talk to you next week,
I'm sure. From the PGA Majors, major seasons off and running.
Now we got a couple of majors and basically a
thirty days span, so let's lock and load.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah wait hoo, he sees it up in Rochester. Can't
wait for that. And I think you have given girlfriends
and ex wives everywhere something to say is as they're
walking out the door, hope you get the chipping yips.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Bye, see you man.
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there's pretty good value right now in the in the
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Got a quick thought on this weekend, but not a
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the corner. We will dive deep into some gambling thoughts.
I've already been looking at the card. I think there's
a Xander Shaffley, Tony Fenow, Max Homer kind of area
that I'm gonna play next week, as well as maybe
a hat and then a Fleetwood maybe even a long
(02:44):
shot Gary Woodland hundred to one, but beside Wyndam Clark,
which I think anytime you can get your first win
on the PGA Tour, you know, like if you meet
someone that plays in the NFL, you're like, oh, this
is Billy. You played in the NFL. Well, if the
guy's not famous, you might have in the NFL for
two years or whatever, and it's incredible accomplishment or Major
League Baseball or whatever. Just like you meet a great golfer,
(03:07):
it's like, this guy played on the PGA Tour. Unreal,
but there's another level. This guy played on the PGA
Tour for a long period of time and made money.
That's really impressive. And then there's this guy played on
the PGA Tour, made a lot of money and one
tour events. I think anytime you win your first tour event,
(03:27):
whether you're a young player, whether you're an old player,
it's just an incredible accomplishment. And now with these elevated events,
to win three point whatever six million dollars doesn't get
any better. Thank Tiger Woods send him a thank you note.
And really cool to watch. And obviously Wyndham Clark's story,
you know, he's good buddies just following the Niner stuff.
Christian McCaffrey and him are very very close. He's a
(03:47):
Scottsdale guy. How I'd love to have him on this
pod sometimes that he's really changed his mental game. I mean,
that's that's a big part of his story, the mentals.
Same with Max Homer, who I think they're buddies just
in terms of the same I guess they have a
different coach. Boyd Summer Hayes is Feenale, Wyndham Clark and
(04:08):
Taylor Gooch's coach. Obviously, all those guys pretty good players.
And Gucci and Wyndham have been playing really really good
of late, so it's cool to see any guy get
their first win. And obviously it's really cool to see
a guy Harold did player. This happens a lot in golf,
whether you're like, you know, an award winning player as
a collegiate golfer, just you know, a top ranked amateur,
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a guy that everyone goes this guy's going to have
a lot of success, and it takes you some time,
and it's cool to watch when that guy figures it out.
And that's what it feels like it's happening. It happened
to Max, you know, a couple of years ago, and
it feels like it's happening to Wyndham Clark right now.
And I root for that in golf. And he's a
fun player to watch play. Hits it a mile and
just kicked everyone's ass last weekend, very very impressive. But
(04:51):
what I want to do at the beginning of the
show is do do a little mailbag at Golo Pod
at Golo Pod and just read some of your guys'
mailback questions and then we'll dive in Soble, who's fantastic
as always. So just firing those dms. They are wide
open and ask your question, and we're gonna mix it
up on this show just because there's not as much
going on in the golfing world with TPC Craig Rantz
(05:13):
this week, which I got news free, I'm probably not
gonna watch.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Much speace out now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You probably won't either, But next week's huge, the PGA Championship,
second major of the year.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Can't freaking wait.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Let's start with Mike again, sliding those dms at golopod
love both your podcasts. Was wondering how your boss handles
your devotion to golf, as he has always said that
he would not hire a person obsessed with golf. Well,
I say this all the time. I think I mentioned
this on three and out mail bag the other day.
Is that I have to turn my hobbies in what
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I'm passionate about in life, and I have to monetize
them because I'm not good at many things. So I
watch a ton of football. I can talk about football,
and we've turned that into a business, and I've done
the same thing with golf, or attempting to do. You know,
we've just been running this podcast now a year and
a half. I moved to Scottsdale for a reason. I'm
a big believer that the golfing world and the football
(06:08):
world intersect, and a little bit like when when a
singer moves to Nashville or an actor moves to La Obviously,
I wanted to come here. I came here for several reasons.
When everyone, whenever anyone asks, I say, return on investment
on my life. But there were business reasons, big picture
why I moved here, and I and I think golf
(06:31):
and football are directly intersected, and hopefully that comes to
fruition over the next you know, handful of years in
my life. I'm pretty confident they will. But uh, and
as they do, you know, Colin profits, as we all do.
So it's uh the great part about this industry we're in,
you know, I would call it like the startup podcast.
(06:54):
I don't even know how you would quite You could
describe it a million different ways.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You get to try a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And there's visions of this that I have in the
back of my head that are just gotta we gotta
execute now moving forward over this next couple of years stretch,
I'm pretty confident it'll all work out. And obviously you
know he's connected to that. So he's been nothing but supportive.
And we'll just keep rocking and rolling. Now here's the thing.
(07:22):
You know, Sunday's in the fall. I'm not on the
golf course. Hell, Saturday's on the fall. Unless I'm teeing
off early. I'm not on the golf course. You know,
you got to be disciplined in your life.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I'm not Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'm not just eating avocado ice cream and going to bed,
you know, nine o'clock every night. But I'm very disciplined
when it comes to work. And you know, work comes first,
and for a big part of my work is football. Now, football,
I'm lucky. It's the easiest sport to consume. You know,
it's Thursday, Sunday and Monday night, at least for the NFL, right,
(07:53):
you know, watching these guys cover basketball like shit, I'd
have no chance. It's like I couldn't every single day
for a month on end.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
This guy, I don't even care. Thank god, football.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
When I ever I hear people are like, you know, football,
let's make this thing seven days a week.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think we're good. I like the way we're at
right now.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
We're good even golf, like I get into probably obviously
the majors and the big tournaments, but like you know,
last week and I had gamble a lot on golf,
I wasn't super locked in.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I watched Sunday, but like Saturday, I was falling on
my phone. I was doing other stuff. And that's the
great part about golf.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's a little like baseball that way, you don't have
to live and die with every single week. You can
get pick your spots and you go all in. Now again,
I mean I'm covering, I'm watching it. I watched it
Thursday and Friday at my office in the background on
ESPN Plus. But by the way, ESPN Plus not a
huge ESPN guy. ESPN Plus with their PGA Tour coverage,
it's just fantastic. You just can watch, especially if you're
(08:46):
a gambler and you're gambling on bigger name guys. It's
just so easy to consume on Thursday and Friday from Nick.
Do you think Scotty and John Rohm benefit from coming
from elite college golf programs?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Are are they?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Or are they just that good? Whereas golf just the
type of sport where college performance isn't indicative of professional performance. Yeah,
I think it has a lot of parallels, like the
football or basketball. You can be a great college player
in any sport and there is no guarantee that you're
going to dominate in the pros.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You can be a great college quarterback and then struggle
in pro football. You can be a great college golfer
and not have a pro career. I would say, for
the most part, most guys on tour, now there are examples,
we're elite college players when you look at like the
top ten now twenty feen I didn't go to college.
Zander Schaffley went to San Diego State, right, But John
(09:42):
Rahm elite player Arizona State, which is like the equivalent
of like Alabama or LSU for football. At golf, Scotty
Scheffer Texas, like you said, but I talked to a
guy in the golf business that said, most people did
not see this coming with Scotty. Where Justin Thomas or
Jordan Spieth or Ricky Fowler or some of those names
people saw coming. Dustin Johnson, East East Carolina, Brooks Koepka
(10:05):
had to go to the the Asian Tours, so everyone
Max Homa was a national championship, a national champion in college,
and look how long it took him to become an
awesome player. And then there are guys like Sam Burn's
awesome college player, immediately awesome, right, So I would say
golf would be the more difficult one Beside you know,
(10:27):
the Tiger Woods, Jordan Speed, Phil Mickelson, you know, I'd
say more cow a wolf in Hovelin's class felt like,
you know, Nick Bosa or something coming out of college,
like it was you weren't gonna miss on those guys.
But it feels like there are a lot of guys,
a lot of all Americans, a lot of guys that win,
(10:47):
you know, as the Haskins Award or Player of the
Year whatever, Big twelve or SEC Player of the year.
It's not a guarantee by any means. I was golfing
in Mexico and I saw your video. Hope you're having
a great time. Who's your personal favorite golfer? That's a
good question.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I would say, whoever I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Gambling on on that given week. With Tiger Wood's career
basically being over and Phil Mickelson kind of writing often
in the sunset, I don't really have one.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I really I was a.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Big Dustin Johnson fan. I just love I loved his
pace of play, hauled ass. He just dominated. But now
that he's on live, he's I don't watch him as
much and I don't know if he's gonna care as much,
so his level of play's gonna dip.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But I was.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I was a big DJ guy. I would say people,
I'm rooting for right now. I root for Tony Final
for sure. I rote for Tony Feinal pretty heavily. I
enjoyed Jordan, I mean, I enjoyed most of the typical characters,
loved the content. Started listening during the NFL playoffs and
(11:51):
have been hooked ever since. I'm a high handicapper, but
I got fitted and got some new clubs, and boy
have they made a difference. I don't understand the stigma
of people saying getting fitted at a high handicap is
a waste of money. If it helps her game, I'd
love to hear your take. Totally agree, you know, having
clubs that fit you. We're all different sizes, right. You
(12:11):
might see a guy who's six ' four and you
might see a guy that's five to seven. Should they
be playing the same club? If you I used to
go when I worked in radio to batting practice a lot.
It was really cool part of the job. It was,
you know, I went for work, but it was really
kind of as a fan, it was like, God, I'm
just sitting there. Batting practice is when the Giants were
really good and Boachy and Hunter Pence and Posey. Everyone
(12:33):
has their own bat, right. Hunter Pence's bat is not
the same size, weight or length as Buster Posy's. Bryce
Harper's bat is not the same as Derek Jeters. Why
wouldn't our golf clubs be different? So whether you a
home run hitter or a singles hitter, you're gonna have
a different bat. You want it to fit and be comfortable.
Wouldn't it be the same with golf clubs. Just because
(12:54):
you shoot ninety and I shoot seventy five, were not
gonna play the same club. And the advantage I have
for the club fitting me, whether I'm good or bad player,
is an advantage. So yeah, I mean, I totally agree.
I think it's a no brainer. I've been listening to
your show for a while. Congrats and success. I just
do not understand why people still root or are fans
(13:16):
of Tiger Can you please shed some clarity on this.
Was he great, of course, but he is just a
horrible person scandal after scandal and very little charitable work.
There are a lot of really decent guys out there,
even if you don't read this on the pod. Thanks
for your opinion. I'm gonna push back on the charity thing.
I think the Tiger Woods Foundation does a lot, and
(13:40):
I'm not claiming to know the inner workings of it,
but I think that's pretty well established. His foundation does
a lot. I think it's like underprivileged kids with computer,
I mean all sorts stuff. You can google yourself. The
horrible person thing like he's got some knocks on the
resume that don't look good. Letely agree, well, cannot argue
(14:01):
that I will say about this specific incident is that
I do believe that it's harder for Tiger Woods to
break up with a girl than you or mad I
just I think there's a lot of complications, like if
Jeff Bezos, you follow Lauren Sanchez, Jeff Bezos's girlfriend, who's
to i think date or be married to Tony Gonzalez
(14:23):
if they got in a breakup, it's not just a
normal like, Okay, we'll just go our separate ways. It's
not how it works when you're worth hundreds of millions
or billions of dollars. It's just not whether you're in
married or not married. It's gonna get weird. There's no
way he could just say we're done. She packs up
her shit and leaves. So when he sends her to
the airport anger to go to the fake vacation, I
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think part of it is I'll never forget when I
got hired at Fresno State and during training camp, we
would bring all sorts of different people right to give
motivational speeches, to give serious speeches, and the the head
of police would come Jerry Dyer, who I think might
even be the mayor of Fresno now. And one advice
he always gave was, anytime you were having a verbal
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issue with a girlfriend, your wife, another a lady and
it starts getting to a spot where I don't know
where this is going to go, run lock yourself in
the uh, in the in the bathroom, or in a
room and call the police, because the moment you try
to move her out of the way, things just get weird.
(15:30):
And now Tiger's never been in a situation where there's
been domestic violence or whatever. But like it's pretty clear
to me that if he tries to break up with her,
you got to move out, move all your shit. It
could get weird, and it get weird fast, and the
cops can get called. Even if no one gets touched
or whatever, there could just be a lot of emotions
running high and it's all going to be pointed at him.
(15:51):
So to me, when he just separates her, you got
to leave, you move, it completely removes all that. So
I think a lot of people are like, why can't
you just break up with a girl normally? I don't
think it's possible. The Elin thing one hundred percent. I
don't know how you can blame anyone but Tiger. But
this situation, like I kind of understand where he's coming from.
What's you gonna say, like, hey, hey, honey, I'm over this.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You gotta go.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Like I don't think it's like, oh yeah, no problem.
Let me let me grab my sweatpants, grab a couple
pair of my shoes. I'll just take the extra car.
You'll never hear from me again. Good luck, Hopefully the
ankle gets well, and look forward to watching you. Moving
forward to Augusta and the old course like that, that's
not how it's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So I will defend.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Tiger on this, on the fact of this situation, like
I don't know exactly how to handle it, you know,
take her to an airport, pretend vacation.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I don't know what the right answer is. But I
don't think you just smoothly like, hey, I'm kind of
had enough of this.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
What do you think? I just that's all I'll say.
But I hear you. There are a lot and this
goes forward.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The reason I hold Tiger to such high esteem is
not because like I want, I want to, you know,
teach my kids everything he did and them to act
like that. It's just I watched him in the peak
of his powers and it was awesome. I don't know
if everyone says Michael Jordan's the greatest guy, but I
fucking love Michael Jordan. You know, I think he's got
some skeletons in his closet from from his prime, but
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hell might even still be rock and rolling, but he's
Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
We hold the people that we grow up on that
are the best. Like, listen, all these guys a lot
of guys on tour, clearly great guys, really good players.
They can't hold Tiger's jock. I mean he would annihilate
them all in his prime, kill him. He would be
the best player on the PGA Tour right now by
a wide margin. You should do a What's in the
(17:41):
Bag video? I was actually talking with a person that
works for a club manufacturer. Might be might be in
goots and working on something. I need to go get
fitted and maybe get some new sticks, But right now
my clubs are just a couple of year old tailor
mades kind of a mix and match. Away is a
putter that I bought at the PGA Tour superstore. But
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I hear you we might got something coming down the
pike on that one. Back at it again with my
main man, Jason Soble. Hear him every week on Serious XM.
Read him on the Action Network. I dove into that website.
I mean I didn't quite realize the in depth gambling
(18:24):
that goes on on that bad boy.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
A lot of numbers, a lot of stats.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Dove into some other sports, Baseball, I mean, talk about
numbers all over the map. The golf much easier to
consume more my pace sobl So I'm glad that's what
we're talking about. Because you dive into baseball like a
random Tuesday. Holy moly, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
See, I think golf is easier just because I've been
entrenched in it for so long that when I sit
here and talk about I like, this guy's a top
forty strokes game putting, he's thirty first this season, and
his prety average is this. I start getting into numbers
and I'm like, ah, it just makes sense because it's golf.
I'll read some of the baseball stuff and it's like,
(19:02):
here's why this picture should have under four and a
half strikeouts. In the Phillies Padres game and they're getting
into war and they're getting into Bobip and they're getting
into the whip and they're like, I'm like, you've lost me.
Other than I know that's a winning bet because everything
they're telling you is like it makes some sense analytically,
I know. Yeah, there's a lot of information out.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
There that they're trying to monitor, you know, who, how
the four starters pitch, and we're just trying to monitor
who Tiger's next girlfriend is.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Not touching it, not touching. I told you before the
pod started and James Wade press record ten minutes earlier,
that would have been a really bad thing. We went there,
we talked about things, and now we're actually doing the
odd air stuff, so I'm not going there.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know, some people have a lot, some people have
interesting personal lives, and clearly Tiger Tiger does wish him
the best and his future endeavors on that element of
his life.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
But look, honestly, just like break up with the girl
in a normal way, like if every guy has broken
up with a girl at some point, just do it
and be like, hey, it's not you, it's me, it's
not working out, good luck with everything.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I'll see you later. Let me know if you need anything, references, whatever,
but I'll see it later. Instead, it's center to the
airport and have the lawyer break the news to her
and then we'll go through the NDA and we'll have lawsuits.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's weird, like the Tiger I grew up on, you know,
in the mid nineties, like when I was in junior
high high school, was just this cold blooded killer, and
then obviously the stories came out and then he became
like in my adult life, this much smoother dude, at
least publicly, right, the way he acts with his friends
and buddies and on TV. You could put him on
(20:53):
with Nance and some of these events and it was
just like he just kind of matured the wrong way.
Because obviously a smart guy, but he's just let down
his guard a little bit. It does feel that's still
an element of his life that he is a little
bit of throwback that he's holding on to, just not
as tactful, you know.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yeah, for guy who has cheerfully crafted an image, a
career practice schedule, like everything about it has been like
so carefully monitored and crafted and figured out that it
feels like there are certain tricks of the personal life.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
They are like, all right, let's throw stuff up against
the wall and see what happens. Let's try this, and
I don't know, it's just look and I hope that
he is able to bounce back from this professionally. I
hope he's able to bounce back personally privately all that
kind of stuff. I certainly won't be writing about it,
you know, you and I can kind of, you know,
(21:48):
just talk about it a little bit on here, but
it's not like I'm going to sit here and do
entire radio shows on Tiger's personal life. I didn't do
that back in two thousand and nine, certainly not going
to do it now, but uh, I don't know. Hope
we'll begin focus on his health and his golf moving
forward now.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, one thing's definitely different, right. The breakup with Stevie
Williams was clearly pretty ugly, right. It was not a
smooth break, you know, I think you know better than me.
The same kind of feels like ghost for fill and
bones some of these famous breakups, you know, the two
most famous guys.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
The last couple decades.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Rugly, this it's hard to even call it a split
because it's not like Tiger's playing, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
But this, clearly he's.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Going to another bag full time, feels much smoother, at
least publicly, And anyone that's followed or read about Tiger's
life sometimes publicly doesn't always follow what's actually happening. But
I'm going to take this on face value because Joe
and Tiger honestly feel like a justin Thomas and Tiger,
like the friendship and their closeness is really real. Tiger's
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obviously much in a different place in terms of age
than he was with Stevie Williams. From everything, I'm sure
you know you've talked to a lot of people over
the last six seven days about this.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
What have you heard about the split?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Can't They said, he didn't ask Tiger, just all the
different details from talking around.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, these things usually go from like manager to manager
or you know, kind of go around the players themselves.
There's very there's very few times when a player will
call another player, especially I mean, I guess it's a
unique situation, but that part doesn't surprise me. What the
biggest takeaway for me is And remember you and I
were doing this pod last week when the news came down,
(23:29):
and I'm sitting there going, look, I don't think it's
a one week thing. I think it might be more
than just one week. I think this could be a
long term deal for Can't Lay and Joelkava. And within
a couple of hours we learned that that indeed was
the case. And so for me, the biggest takeaway here
is that Tiger understands. And I know a lot of
(23:50):
people said, oh, yeah, well, Tiger wasn't playing a lot
of golf before this anyway, so we know he's not
going to play anytime soon. To me, this is Tiger
saying no, Like it's not I'm not gonna play soon,
like I don't have a golf courier. Moving forward, he
might play some events. He might play the Masters every year,
might play the Open Championship every year if he's healthy
(24:10):
enough to do it. But this is Tiger essentially waving
the white flag and go, And I like, I can't
in good conscience see a guy like Joe Lokava, who's
one of the best caddies of all time, on the
bench fifty weeks out of the year, forty nine weeks
out of the year, just so he can come work
for me when I'm going out to try to play
(24:31):
a major championship once in a while. And so it's
taken Tiger a couple of years to get to this point.
I'm not sure that if Joelakava had come to Tiger
with this two years ago that Tiger would have had
the same response. But now the fact that Tiger has
this response, I think that speaks volumes about what he
thinks about his own future.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He a little trivia question for you.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I don't even actually know the answer, but obviously there's
been several caddies, including Joelacava, that have won multiple majors
with multiple you know, would he be the first if
him and can't lay win a major to win a
major with three different guys, I.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Would say unequivocally no, top of my head.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Bones obviously, Phil Justin Thomas, Stevie Williams, and Adam Tiger, Woods, Lacava,
Tiger and and Freddy Couple's correct.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, it was a Cova on Freddy's bag when Freddy
won Masters.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think so, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Uh, I don't have the answer to that off the
top of my head, just like you don't. I'm going
to say that there absolutely had to be somebody back
in the day who had done it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Not counting the Masters caddies that always just you know,
for a long period of time, right, you couldn't bring
your own caddy to the Masters. I forget the date
that changed, but that there might be a guy that
you know clearly rattled off some dubs you know, in
the forties, fifty sixty, seventies.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
But that's something that.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
You know in your radio show. Just that's a good
one for you. Last time we talked, Rory hadn't talked.
We all kind of assumed what he was going to say,
and he kind of admitted it, like I just needed
a break, was over, it needed to reset. Then I
sat down on my couch Thursday. He played pretty well
on Friday, I mean he was atrocious. It was like
it looked like me. I mean, he was hitting it
(26:19):
all over the yard. He was terrible. Not a great
week for Rory. Is he going a little NBA style
load management? And he's just it's just going to be
kind of tiger Wood styles looking about these three four
majors every single year and the rest of the season,
like he's just going to try to peak next week.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And then in a month and then at the Open.
I mean that's kind of what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I guess. So, I mean, look, this is what all
the elite level players are trying to do, quite frankly,
is you know I want my game to peak four
times a year. If you're not going and I maintained
this all the time. Look, if you're not going to
be playing your best golf going out to Quail Hollow,
and I know it's a designated event, it's a bigger one,
but will play not your best golf? It's something that's
(27:03):
not a major then, and it's really you know, I
almost think it's a little hypocritical of us, and I
say us collectively in the media and fans when one
of the top players isn't playing his best golf and
it's not a major championship week, and we're like, what's
wrong with so and so? Well, that same so and
so has said I want to play my best golf
(27:24):
four times a year. I want my game to peak,
And so we're like, well, why didn't it peak on
that eleventh time of the year that you wanted it
to peak. He can't peak every single week. All that said,
when it comes to Rory, I don't know how to
measure his mindset right now. There is no look we
can look at strokes gained off the tee, strokes gained
(27:45):
approach shots, strokes gained putting. We cannot look at strokes
gained mental state right now for Rory McElroy, and I
don't know how we assess this. I will defer to
my friend Gary Williams, who I did a radio show
with yesterday. He filled in for Collins and Gary was
at Quell Hollow all week. He followed Rory for much
of the week, and he was very pessimistic about Rory's
(28:10):
short term future, at least moving forward towards the PGA Championship.
I said, are you buying or selling Rory McLay going
into the PGA and he said he would sell based
on everything he saw from him last week. I don't
know how much of that is the scar tissue left
over from the miscut of the Masters. I don't know
how much of it is just the wear and tear
(28:33):
on him mentally from answering all the live and PGA
Tour questions over the past year and a half. I
don't know how much of it is just not being
able to manage his time the way he needs to
and some of this. And this is a great point
that I heard. Where was it, I guess it was
(28:55):
Shane Ryan's column that he wrote for Golf Digest where
he was speaking with Paul mcginlick years ago, and this
was like, remember the Players Championship was right at the
start of OVID nineteen.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, and this was like two days before.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
They had canceled the Players Championship and he was speaking
with Paul McGinley and Paul was using as an example
Rory was in the interview room and he was asked
about something and he started delving into the coronavirus and
it's the US prepared for it, and what did it
mean through the CDC and all the stuff. He's like,
why is Rory talking about that? You've never heard Dustin
(29:30):
Johnson talking about the government's preparation for an airborne disease,
Like play golf, worry about golf, don't worry about all
these other things. And he said, it's almost hurt Rory
mac rory, the fact that he is such an eloquinn otinionated,
thoughtful type person whose interests go way beyond golf, that
(29:51):
it tends to hurt his golf bait game because he's
focused on so much else that's going on in the world.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Thoughts on the Wyndham Clark win. Obviously he's been you know,
was a highly touted college guy. Hits the ball a mile,
you know, as someone that had sprinkled a little money
on fleetwood and stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
He just started running away from the field and he
was I thought it was fucking awesome.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Over the weekend, obviously Saturday he was unreal, but even
Sunday and he talked about it. I didn't quite realize
the story about the mental game this year is something
that because he's had the talent, but is something that
he focused on being a being more positive.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Holme has talked about this before.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Some of these guys with these elite talent can be
I mean, it's the game of golf. It can really
put you in a bad mental space if you stay positive.
Holy moly, this guy you wrote about him in your
piece for TPC, Craig Ranch like, he's I mean, we
got to talk about him, you know, in the mix
for the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
So a lot of different pieces here. First of all, yeah,
I wrote about it. If you haven't read my preview
yet this week, I started the preview off with just
talking about the makeup of the US Ryder Cup team.
To me, there's almost ten locks.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
I mean, yeah, there's always illness, injury, prolonged slump, but
for the most part, the top ten or the top ten,
and whether by automatic qualification or by wild card selection,
I think we can pretty much put ten names on
that list.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
The final two names on that US Ryder Cup team.
I think it's gonna be one of the great stories
of the summer. This underlying subplot of I mean literally,
there are two dozen players who could stake a claim
for one of these last spots, including a couple of
live players, So you know, I think that's gonna be
really intriguing moving forward. As for Windham Clark this past weekend,
(31:36):
I thought Quail Hollo was great. I thought the course
was awesome. I thought the tournament was really good designated
event in a big time major championship golf course. The
only thing that went wrong was the fact that Wyndham
Clark played too well and so we had no drama
towards the end. The back nine was essentially like a
coronation for a guy winning his first career PGA Tour
event instead of hey, six guys have a chance with
(31:57):
three holes left to play, which is what we like
to see. The mental side of the game is something
that Wyndham is really really tight with. My buddy Drew Staltz,
a sleeve who has the show before me with Pulton
Nohost on series XMPGA to a Radio. Drew told me
a few months ago that, very much based on Max
Homer's success, that Wyndham was starting to work with where
(32:23):
they call it a sports psychologist, a mental guru, whatever
it might be, that he was starting to work with
someone on that side of the game, and he talked
very openly and honestly afterwards about just having the right
mindset and being in the moment, and I think that's
helped him immensely as far as the physical technical part
of his game. He was a guy that I think
people out there who are betting on a weekly basis
(32:45):
and understand the betting markets and understand players' strengths and weaknesses.
We've looked at Wyndham Clark of the last few years,
a guy who drives it really well, wants it really well,
everything in between that s kind depends on the week.
Sometimes pretty good, sometimes not so good. This year, he's
turned himself into a better iron player than anything else,
and you're seeing the success right now. Goes to show
(33:07):
you that iron play rules Everything. Doesn't mean you can
drive it off the planet. Every hole, doesn't mean you
can hit it two thirty off the team. As long
as you drive it pretty well, if you're a really
good iron player, you're going to find success. That's what
he's done so far this year, and he is not
going anywhere. I did a radio hit on a local
(33:27):
Charlotte station yesterday and they asked me about you know, well,
we've seen Rory win for the first time at Quail Ricky,
and I said, let's not put those sort of expectations
on Wyndham Clark. I don't think he's a guy that's
gonna start winning majors, mean number one in the world.
But is this a guy who could make the US
Ryder Cup teams, this guy who could challenge for a
(33:49):
major championship. Is this guy who could win one more
time before the year's up? Yes, yes, and yes to
all those things.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Good childhood friends with the McCaffrey family. I know Christian
was fired up with him winning that. Uh you know,
obviously if it wasn't for him, Zander wins the tournament
pretty easily. He's a guy, you know, a lot like
Tony when these majors, you know, come up that just
feel like their game is just you and I last
week talked about Tony at the US Open. You know,
(34:16):
I think a lot of people are going to be
on him probably this next week to Xander's another guy
that you know. I just think, as long as you
can get them at twenty five ish to one odds, that,
you know, relative for the top guys, he's right there,
you know, and we can talk all we want. You know,
he just doesn't get it done. Doesn't get it done.
But when they showed his stats going into Sunday Agains Windham,
I mean, because they're actually not that far off in age,
(34:39):
similar amount of career starts. It's like, and this is
the hard part about golf, right, if you don't win,
it's almost like we knock yet. But when you look
at him just rattling off and the amount of money
the dude's making in his game, I mean he's clearly,
like you said, he's not just the top ten lock
Ryder Cup guys like he's near one. He's closer to
one than he is ten, you know, in terms of
(35:00):
the crew, right right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
We're sitting here talking about Xander Schoffley, Hey, what went wrong?
Because he finished only in second place, whereas we're not
talking about you know, someone else had finished in forty
first place, because there's no reason to talk about him.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And so I own you you like him?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Next week, I do like him. I just started making
my list. I think he is going to be very
prominently involved in my list. I will say that. For
as much as John Rahm and Scotti Scheffler have won
already this year, and they've won some really big events,
keeping their numbers short have helped out if you want
(35:37):
to chase some numbers. I mean you mentioned Xander twenty
five to one. I don't know that he'll be that
high that long, but I think at twenty to one,
he's a really nice play next week. Sun jaym is
the guy that I'm looking at. I think he's going
to play really well at okill. You go back ten
years and the guys at the top of that list,
Jason Duffner, Jim Feurick, Henrik Stenson, they were all ball strikers. Guys.
(36:00):
If you're not hitting your irons well, you're just not
going to perform that well on that golf course. And
so I'm looking at guys the strokes gained, approach shots stats,
the greens regulation, things like that or what I'm looking
at for next week, and so Xander will feature prominently,
I think in my plays next week. And look, he's
(36:21):
playing really well. I think that the biggest thing for him.
If I'm advising Xander somehow and you listen to me,
I think the biggest thing for me is you don't
have to do anything differently. It's just, you know, don't
get your head down the fact that you're playing really
well and not winning golf tournaments. At some point the
tables will turn. At some point you wind up on top.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Well, no one's gonna get TPC Craig Ranch, you know,
twisted with Augusta or Olympic Club.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
But it is an event.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
This week, Jordan just backed out Scheffler's playing. You got
some plays. I know you kind of like some of
the longer shots this week, and that's right up my alley.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, this is a week where we can chase numbers,
which is nice because quite frankly, over the last handful
of weeks you haven't really been able to do that.
I mean, I know Wyndam Clark was sixty to one
last week, but it was really hard before the tournament
to look past some lower numbers. So even if you
had Wyndham Clark, you might have had a guy at
twelve to one, a guy at eighteen to one, a
guy at twenty two to one along there with them.
(37:20):
So I am bypassing a lot of the short numbers
this week. Look can Scotty Scheffler go out and win
this golf tournament by five. Sure, but what we've seen
over the last two years, ah Lee won with a
score of twenty five hundred two years ago. He won
again last year with a score of twenty six under.
Anytime we get scoring that's that low in relation to parr,
(37:41):
it seems like it becomes more of a level playing field.
It's more of a hey, anything can happen. Some guy
gets hot with a putter on the weekend, shoots pair
of sixty threes and he can go win. It's less
of a ball strikers kind of contest, something that would
play into the hands of a guy like Scheffler. Oh,
some of the names on my list. The shortest number
(38:02):
I'll have is Seamus Power, who opened it forty five
to one. He's after Speek w D. He's probably about
thirty five or forty to one right now. Still a
pretty good number on a guy who has shown that
he can go low at these kind of events. He's
shown that he can win an event against an inferior
type of field like we have this week. I'll rattle
(38:24):
off a whole bunch of other names because I've got
him written down in front of me. Justin saw Jimmy
Walker starting to play some good golf again. Scott Stallings
told me a few months ago that this is one
he added to his schedule based on looking at some
analytics and what should fit his game, and he really
likes it here. Michael Kim had him on the radio
show yesterday. He lives nearby and practices at Craig Ranch
(38:47):
pretty decent amount. Eric Cole's played some really good golf
as a rookie this year. So those are some of
the names. And I think that not going into a
Scottie Scheffler, not getting a guy with a short number
that allows us to play a few more players at
longer odds. John, so I think he can chase some
of those numbers.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Michael Kim's kind of an interesting name. I mean, he
clearly is playing really well right now. You know, Harold
did college player play with Max at cal I mean
was elite, right, I mean Heisman Trophy at golf. I
mean he's won on the PGA Tour before. He's a
guy that you know for longer ods, even if you
don't want to pick to win top tens, top fives,
(39:25):
you know in some of these, especially some of these
events when some.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Of the top guys aren't playing. He's a guy with
some pedigree.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Really interesting stuff from him on the show yesterday. So
if you don't know the story, five years ago, this
summer he won the John Deere Classic kind of out
of nowhere, and he told me yesterday, said, I kind
of won it too soon. I like, I wasn't really
ready to win a PGA Tour event yet got into
the Open Championship the next week, finished in thirty fifth place.
That was fine. Didn't have a top sixty at his
(39:53):
last nine starts of that year. Okay, a little you know,
kind of come down after a win, and that's happened,
and you know, figure, you go get him next year.
The next year, he did not make the cut in
an event with a cut. The entire year that was
in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, he didn't make a single cut.
He didn't make a dollar in twenty twenty. On the
(40:14):
golf course, twenty twenty one, comes out and starts to
slowly play some better golf, but not enough that we're
really paying attention. Last year a little bit better all
of a sudden, now he's working with Sean Foley. He's
figured some things out. Two top tens in his last
six starts, hasn't missed a cut during that span, Like
you said, playing some really good golf. Finally had some confidence.
(40:37):
He said. He worked on the game technically, he's worked
on the game from a mental standpoint, emotionally, physiology, psychology,
the physiology of golf, everything that he's gone through. I
mean he's reading books on how to succeed and how
to have the right mindset. So working really well for him.
So yeah, he's a guy that, yeah, I'll have a
(40:58):
little sprinkling out right, but I think for me he's
more of a top ten play again.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, I mean, to me, there are two routes on
the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
There are the Scotti's, the Sam Burns, the Speach the
justice to just hit the ground running, and then there
are a lot of Max Homas, Wyndham Clark's. You know
this guy, you know, I mean, this guy's won before.
It took wind him a little while, but you know
what I mean, that just it's fucking hard. But then
they figure it out and you're like, holy hell. This
guy then goes on to have a longer career, playing
at a high level, making a lot of cash.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
The Windhom Clark trajectory is the that's the trajectory, that's
the usual, that's the normal trajectory, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Scotty Scheffler's not normal.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, I mean Scott took a year or two to
win his first event. Jordan Speed role in Marekowa. Those
guys are not normal.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
When you get out to the PGA Tour and you
start winning golf tournaments and that almost does something to
you later in your career. You almost need that adversity
at first kind of learning how to win, you start
winning right away. Think about Jordan Speet's mindset right now.
He was winning so much as a young player in
his early twenties that now when he's not winning on
a regular basis, he's like, well, I'm chasing the old
(42:09):
version of myself. As opposed to someone like Wyndham Clark,
who doesn't know any better, someone like Max Homa who
started winning a little bit later in his career. I
think first of all, they appreciate it more, and secondly,
they're not trying to chase who they were five, six,
seven years ago because they weren't anything back then and
so they're they're building up to the success. And I
(42:30):
think that a lot of times, at least in the
prognostication game where we're trying to figure out who's gonna
play well, looking at the guys who have built up
a resume and have gotten to that point and then
started winning. As both of those who have won early
and are trying to replicate that success, there's something to
be said for playing the former over the ladder sometimes.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
For sure, in the reality with golf, it's gonna get
you at some point or the other, right, Ricky Jordan
took longer for some of these guys. That happened right
off the bat, But you're gonna go through a stretch
where you're gonna contemplate it. I quit the game of
golf because it's it's hard, you know, it's just it's
just it's a It's a unique sport that way, where
you know, in basketball, once Steph Curry or Lebron or
(43:11):
Anthony Davis, you're just great right until it's over. You know,
a lot of these guys just hit a roll and
you never know what it's coming.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
It happened to I mean, if you're a professional golfer.
All you have to hear is Siger Woods went through
multiple roles in his career, the greatest player, the chipping yips,
you could put them all the great from ten yards away.
I mean this is to see that. I mean that's
either got to be very encouraging as a young professional golfer.
(43:40):
You're like, ah, Tiger went through it. I don't have
to be perfect all the time. That's something that Holma's
talked about a lot, Like, just because I don't shoot
a good round, shoot a good score, doesn't mean I'm
a bad golfer. Doesn't mean I'm a bad person. It
just means I didn't shoot a good score that day.
But it's either encouraging or it makes the game seem
utterly impossible. If you're like, well, shit, if Tiger Woods
(44:04):
couldn't hit a ball in the green from ten yards away,
how the hell am I supposed to do it? He's
the craatest of all time. I'm going out here trying
to make a cut on the PGA Tour and like,
this thing's really really hard. So yeah, it's tough game.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
If she really wants to make it, sting, her final
text to him should be I hope you get the
chipping yips again, God speaking God.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Okay, my God, Okay, So well, I'm kidding. Don't say
that to a tiger.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I have a good one. Talk to you next week,
I'm sure. From the PGA Majors, major seasons off and running.
Now we got a couple of majors and basically a
thirty days span, so let's lock and load.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah wait hoo, he sees it up in Rochester. Can't
wait for that. And I think you have given girlfriends
and ex wives everywhere something to say is as they're
walking out the door, hope you get the chipping yips.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Bye, see you man.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
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