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For over twenty five years, I've been on a journey
to prove the existence of life after death. On each episode,
we'll discuss the reasons we now know that our loved
ones have survived physical debt and so will we. Welcome
to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm very excited today. I'm
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excited to share our guest. I'm excited that there's a
new way to communicate with our loved ones. Today you'll
meet doctor Matthew McKay who's a psychology professor in Berkeley, California,
who never would have believed in the world of the
afterlife and communication had his own adult son not been
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taken from him. Doctor McKay has authored or co authored
more than twenty five psychology, self hell and therapist texts
and books specializing in anxiety and depression. And in this
episode today you'll hear his story and what he does
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to connect with his son, Jordan. Here's doctor Matthew McKay.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I'm glad to be with you, Sandra. So it's more
than fifteen years now since Jordan died. He was on
his way home from work on his bicycle and men
attacked him, probably to try to steal a bike. Eventually,
after a tremendous physical battle, they shot him and he
died on the street. As anyone can imagine, that's the
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worst thing that happened, is losing your child at that
moment or very shortly afterwards. I think that the two
things that mattered most to me, and I think this
may be true for a lot of appearance or anyone
who loses a loved one, does that soul still exist
and are they okay? Are they in a place where
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they feel good? And I was just consumed with that question,
and so I did start looking for Jordan, started seeking
him in different ways. In we went to mediums and
got some sense of something he was saying through them.
And yet while there was some sense of him, some
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reassurance he might still exist, it wasn't anything that really
warmed our hearts, and so we began looking in other ways.
We sought out Alan Botkin, who discovered accidentally something he
calls and do stuff after death communication went to Chicago.
It's a technique that comes from EMDR. I moved in
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to sensitization through processing, which is something that we used
to help treat trauma. I've used it with hundreds of
clients over the years, but in this case, we were
going to see him and he was going to use
his variation of that with us. During that experience, I
had my first direct contact with Jordan. I could hear
his voice very clearly, and it was not inside my head.
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It was a voice that was coming from outside of me.
It was his voice, and he was telling me the
very things that I needed to know that he still existed.
In fact, he's watching over us, he was observing our lives.
He was connected to us, and he was good and
he was happy where he was. So this was a
first major step for me, for us, my wife and
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I to begin to connect to him again and to
re establish the relationship through the curtain to the other side.
So that was important. Also before this, I had read
a lot of Michael Newton's work on Juria of Souls
and so forth, and I had learned, because I'm psychotherapist
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and I'm a good hypnotist, I'd learned his particular method
of regressing people to their past lives and then from
there bouncing into the life between lives and having them
observe the life between lives. And I had done that
with quite a few people. I didn't charge them, but
I did it. If anybody who wanted it and needed
I would do it, and I got to observe their experience.
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But I never got to have it. And so somewhere
along this point in time, I got involved with Ralph Messner,
who was the late Ralph Messrs, a specialist in the
afterlife and after deathcommunication. He did that same process. He
induced me into a past life and then the life
between lives, and I could make contact with Jordan in
that way, And it's confirming that souls reincarnate together and
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often in very different relationships to each other in each
particular life. They often have very different ways of connecting.
The problem still was that it was all one way.
I was with Alan Bodkin's process, I was just hearing
Jordan passively. With mediums, I was hearing their representation of
what Jordan was saying. Even in this hypnotic process. With Ralph,
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it was a passive process. I was experiencing things, but
I was not able to participate in the communication. So
finally Ralph taught me how to do channel communication. And
it didn't take him very long, as it was actually
a fairly simple process, and I tell your audience how
to do it if they would be interested. But in
less than an hour he taught me how to do it, proudly,
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much less than an hour. I went home that night
and I had my first experience of conversation with Jordan,
a conversation in which I could ask questions, he could
answer them, I could respond, he could respond to whatever
I was saying, and it felt like we had gone
back to those beautiful days around the kitchen table where
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we could talk about anything and have these long, beautiful
and endless conversations. And I had my first experience of
being able to have that again and greatly shifted the grief,
the grief of having lost him to I've lost his
physical presence, but the relationship and the love is still
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completely there, completely intact, completely alive. So that was an
enormous transformation for me. And I still have Jordan in
my life, and to have that has made all the
difference in terms of facing this loss, but also in
terms of learning. I've learned so much from him, and
that's made a big difference. I have a completely different
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understanding and cosmology how the universe works as a result
of his communications.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Before we end our chat today, we'd love to know
those steps, but I'd like to find a little bit
more about some of the things that Jordan talked to
you about. And in the beginning, a father knows his love.
I know my dad's love. No one can convince me
that some of the things I've experienced were just my imagination.
You feel his presence, as you right.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Question. I feel is love, If I could put it
that way, I can feel his love inside of me,
feeling his presence like he's sitting in the room. I
don't actually have that experience. I can feel him in
my body, and I can feel the love in my body.
But how he manifests himself is the things he says
that are occurring inside my mind but are definitely channeled,
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because there are things that I never dreamed of, have
thought of imagined, and they're said in his way of communicating,
not in mind. So what I get from him is
is communication. But I do feel him physically.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's I guess the answer I was looking for in
that love. No one can take that away. What kind
of things did he talk about? Did he tell you
about the spirit world, what he's doing, what life's about?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
That? Yeah, Over time they shared all of that with me,
and he's decided that he's going to write certain books,
and he set out to write a book, Lewini's Landscape
in the Afterlife, which is really helping people with a
fear of death and telling them exactly what is out there,
what to expect, what that afterlife looks like, it feels,
and also why we leave it to come here. So
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he outlined the book in about five minutes and then
over time. Basically, I channeled all of his It's all
from him. So what does he say the afterlife is
their components to it. The first thing that happens after
we die is we end up in he calls the
landing Place, and it's just adjacent to the spirit world.
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And in the landing Place, the main function of that
spot is to get used to having a non physical experience.
We see it three hundred and sixty degrees not just
straight ahead. We are hearing things telepathically. We move by intention,
but not by muscle motions. And this landing Place is
often familiar in some ways. It's a setting that we
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might have known in our lives. But it also has
a surreal quality of heightened colors and so forth, very
very beautiful, and it's there we meet God and some
of the important souls, perhaps from our soul group, who
come to greet us in that's place. We're getting used
to this not being physical anymore. But it's also a
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place where guys evaluate our readiness to enter the spirit world.
If we have a lot of intense residual emotions from
the unfinished issues in our life that are really strong
and overwhelming. A lot of fear or a lot of anger.
We'll go to ancillary places where Bardo's where we work
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on that before we can enter the spiritual You can't
enter the spirit world with intense negative emotions, and so
there's sometimes a pausing that goes on and certain healing
processes that have to happen before the soul is ready
to fully enter the afterlife. The sort of sorting out
is done in this anti room landing place, and so
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once we enter the spirit world, the very first stop
is where we do life review as many people have
talked about that. Jordan describes it, and I've had a
little bit of the experience also when I've done the
life between life regressions. It's a very powerful experience. And
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in that experience, we experience everything we've done, every choice
we've made, from our own perspective, but also from the
perspective of the person who was affected by that choice
or that behavior. So we're experiencing it both ways. And
on top of that, not only do we experience it
as that person experienced it at the moment, but over
time how it impacted them in terms of moving forward
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in their life, how what we did impacted and affected them,
and we're going through every single significant choice that we
made in our lives and observing its effect on ourselves
on others over time longitude. So it's a very powerful process.
It takes a while. We're supported by guys, and we
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do a tremendous amount of learning in this process. It's
just it's huge. It's a monumental re experiencing of life
from all perspectives. Then there are other steps that we
can see in the afterlife, but fairly soon we reunite
with our soul group. And as I think many people
are aware of, the soul group is basically our family.
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It's our spiritual family. And there's anywhere between oh I
don't know, six and twenty or so souls in each group.
And then there are a lot of adjacent soul groups
that connect to our own. We're not only involved our
own soul group. You could think of it like a neighborhood.
The soul group lives in one house and a little
family together, and then there are houses that are next
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door and across the street and down the street, and
these are all adjacent soul groups with whom we often
have very significant and powerful connections of love and with
whom we reincarnate. Typically, we often reincarnate with our own
so group at the same time, the same place, in
various relationships.
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This is a good time to take our first break,
and then we'll be back with doctor Matthew McKay. He
talks about some interesting things and he explains reincarnation in
a way I've never heard before. So we'll be back.
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Speaker 2 (15:11):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and this episode is dedicated to Professor Matthew McKay and
the way he learned to communicate with his son Jordan.
Some of the concepts that he brings up are new
to me, and whether it's this episode or any episode
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of mine, or anybody that talks about the afterlife, use
what fits to empower you in your life. If you
can imagine going into a clothing store and maybe you're
looking for a coat. You try on different coats, Maybe
none of them fit, maybe a couple of them fit,
those that fit, those that make you feel great, take
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them for your life. That's the same with different concepts
around the afterlife. For all the billions of people who
have ever lived, in the billions of ways that we've
lived our life, I have a sneaky suspicion that there's
not just one exact way that we experience our transitions
depends on our beliefs and so forth. So now we'll
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get back to doctor McKay and he's talking about soul
groups and reincarnating as soul groups.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
We often reincarnate with our own soul group at the
same time, the same place, in various relationships. Others from
adjacent groups will be part of our incarnational existence. So
we return to our family and to our neighborhood essentially,
and in the soul group, initially there's just a big celebration,
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and in the afterlife there's a lot of fun. I
just want to mention that that there's music, there's games,
there's partying, literally partying where people get together and just
enjoyed the love of each other and catch up and
community indicate there's a lot of things that we do
in the afterlife that are really pleasurable and recreational, and
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we do that in our soul group as well. There's
a particularly soul group that Jordan is and they call
it the Farm because when in the afterlife, you can
create images, and so whatever you actually think or imagine,
you can create that image in such a way that
it has a kind of a certain reality. And so
that particular soul group has created a house that looks
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like a farmhouse, and for that reason they call their
little group the Farm. And of course there's a celebration,
there's an re engagement. Now, I just want to say
something that might be of interest. Part of our soul
energy always stays in the afterlife. It always stays, so
we are always present in our soul group. We are
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always present in the afterlife, even though we incarnate. And
so when we incarnate, part of our soul energy enters
a body, but part of our soul energy always remains
in the after life. So we reunite with the part
of our energy that has always been there. It's a
more full and vibrant energy because now all of our
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energy is in one place, but it is also an
opportunity now to do more learning. So a lot of
what we do should have fun is we engage in
a lot of learning. There are guys who are specialty
teachers that come in to our soul group and offer
lessons about all manner things, but we also engage in
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learning in other ways. One of the big things that
we do is we visit the Kashak Record as part
of our learning process in the afterlife. And the Akashak
Record is I'm sure many know you can think of
it as a gigantic library, and in it it's contained
everything that's ever happened. It's everything that's ever happened, particularly
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everything that's ever happened to any conscious entity conscious of soul.
And a lot of the Kashak Record also involves incarnations
and what each soul did in the incarnation on many,
many countless planets, because we incarnate on many many different planets,
Earth being one of the more difficult ones. So we
do a lot of studying of that, and part of
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that is studying the life we live, but also the
life we might have lived, so we can actually in
the caution record, we can look at what if I
decided something else? And then a chapter opens and we
can now see the outcome of what that would have
looked like had we made that other choice. And there's
a lot of learning that comes from that. And we
can do the same thing with other souls. We can
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go back and take a look at Abraham Lincoln and see, Okay,
what would have happened if he didn't sign the Emancipation Proclamation?
What would have been the outcome were going to see?
We could study that. So we're studying outcomes, We're studying
what happens when you do X and Y and z.
And there's so much learning there. So it's not just
what I did, but what I might have done, or
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choices that were potential but ever made. So it's a
beautiful opportunity. And when we certainly close up the record,
that chapter becomes null. It's not like a parallel universe.
It's just a possible universe that exists just as long
as we were observing it and learning from it, and
then close it, it goes back into a kind of
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avoid state.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I wanted to ask because Jordan never said, Dad, I
know you're going through pain. This is the point of
being there on earth.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I think that's the greatest gift He's given me, is
a sense of our purpose here. Why do we come
to this place that's so painful, where we go through
such struggle. And I think a lot of people feel
like pain is a bad thing. It's like a sign
of failure, It's like something we've done wrong, we shouldn't
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have pain. But in fact, we come to a physical
world under a body that has a nervous system, so
that we can actually encounter pain. And so why would
we do that? What is the point of pain? What
Jordan says is that we incarnate in order to learn
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how to love in the face of pain. That's the
main task we have here. We are learning how to love. See,
in the spirit world, love exists without qualification. We just
exist in the state of love. Love is essentially the
air that we breathe in the spirit world, and it's
what connects all of us. But we incarnate to learn
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how to love intentionally, meaning how to love in the
face of obstacles and push back from the world we
live in. Maybe a silly example would be the parent
who comes home is exhausted and is worn out and
their kid is upset by something and it needs some
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help with their homework and so forth. We have to
love in the face of the pain of the tiredness.
Maybe we had a bad day of work, we're feeling anxious.
In the face of the anxiety, Maybe we're upset with
our kid because they've been misbehaving, and so we have
to love in the face of that anger or irritation.
So that's what love is about. That's what we're learning here,
how to love in the face of these obstacles, in
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the face of the pain, and the pain is teaching
us how to love. It's teaching us how to love.
In the spirit world, there is no pain, and love
is effortless. But we have to learn how to love intentionally,
and that's what we come here to do. And the
last thing I'll say, it's just another comment here, is
that everything we're learning we come here to learn, and
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everything we're learning we're uploading to all. So not only
are we learning it as individual souls, but our mission
here is to keep teaching all, is to give all
everything that we've learned and it uploaded. And so the
mission of learning to love in the face of pain
and everything else that we learn about this existence is
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given to all, and all continues to grow and develop
and evolve. Now, some people think that God is perfect
and it doesn't evolve and doesn't grow. That's not at
all true for you. To Jordan, God is evolving. God,
all of consciousness is evolving, growing and continually learning. And
the means by which most of God's learning occurs is
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us incarnating in physical worlds, and all the things we
learn become part of the knowledge of God.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I wanted to ask you about God. A lot of
people I've interviewed have had near death experiences and they've
seen whoever the person is from their own religion. Some
people just feel this incredible light and it's this unconditional love.
Can you talk a little bit more through Jordan about
this unconditional love, this light, this God. It's the best word.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, the best way I can describe it is that all.
For use the word all actually because God is a
kind of limited word. So like we have this picture
of some little guy in a white beard sitting in
a big golden crusted chair or something, and that's not
what it is. All is all of us. We are
all God. Every single conscious entity is part of All,
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and is part of God. And that's why when we
learn something, God learns something, that's because we are part
of it. And so when you talk about, you know,
feeling the love of God and feeling the love and
connection to God, what we're talking about is oneness. We're
talking about feeling the love of all because we're all
connected with love. That's what holds God together, That's what
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holds all consciousness together, and in fact, everything, the conscience creates,
all the world's, all the physical, everything is held together
with the gravity of love. So when we're feeling the
love of God, we're feeling that oneness, that deep connection
to all, and the love that holds it all together,
holds all of us together and unites us and connects
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us as one. So it's a little different than in
my understanding from Jordan's, a little different from God is
an entity personality that showers love out. But Jordan's understanding,
what he's taught me is that we are all God,
and the love we experience is the love of connectedness
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to all and everything that exists, and that love is
something shared as opposed to showered on us, if that
makes sense. It's something that we all share and experience
together as opposed to an entity, showers us with love.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Thank you for that. I want to read just a
few sentences that I read in your book because it
deals with doubt. You're ed, I'm exhausted. I blow out
the candle. I want to believe everything I've heard, but
I hate self deception. It's a response I inherited from
my father, a man who despised the ways people lie
to themselves to justify their needs and actions. But suddenly
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it's clear I will have to live with that remembered
content in order to keep listening. If I want to
open the channel so my boy can talk to me,
then I'll also have to live with a doubt, perhaps
even ridicule, Matt. So many people we doubt our own thoughts.
We worry about what other people have to say about
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what we're doing. What would you say that helped.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You move through that?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
You know what, I've got a backbone to share this,
this is reality and to push through that doubt.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, I think that what you say is really important
about pushing through because it's not a matter of certainty.
And actually, some people clients of mine that I've taught
how to channel, and it resisted because they say, I'm
only going to channel if I have no doubt, if
I have certainty, and then they don't. They don't channel
even though they could, even though they have, because they
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are insisting on certainty in order to reach out across
the veil and reach the loved ones on the other side.
So if we're going to say I have to have
certain need to do this, and most of us will
not be able to do.
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I'm Sander Champlain, and we're with doctor Matthew McKay, author
of the book Seeking Jordan. How I learned the truth
about death and the invisible Universe. I had just asked
him about doubt. Very difficult to think. Are these thoughts
coming in my mind? Are they mine? Or are they
really from someone in the afterlife. So as we continue on,
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we'll talk about pushing through doubt, We'll talk about grief,
and he'll share with us his method of connecting to
loved ones and even our soul.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Clients of mine that I've taught how to channel, and
I'm resisted because they say, I'm only going to channel
if I have no doubt, if I have certainty, And
then they don't. They don't channel even though they could,
even though they have because they are insisting on certainty
in order to reach out across the veil and reach
the loved ones on the other side. So if we're
going to say I have to have uncertainty to do this,
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then most of us will not be able to do it.
But it's just what you said. It's pushing through the doubt,
and doubt shows up for me still. I have moments
where the thought occurs to me, is this real? Or
something Jordan says makes me wondering, what would you just say?
Does that make sense? And oftentimes even just starting the process,
I have to start with the awareness that I have
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fear that something might happen that might lead me to
believe that it's not true, so that doubt is there.
I've been doing this now for fifteen years. I would
say the doubt has diminished somewhat, but it still shows up.
And so every time I start, I usually channel with
Jordan once a week. Every time I start to channel,
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I can feel a little at that edge of anxiety
that what if something happens here that makes me wonder
if this is true? And there's a little bit of doubt,
And so I have to push through it because my
biggest value is the love between Jordan and myself and
enact that and be part of that and engage with
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him with love. That's my biggest value. And I have
to do that even though sometimes there's some doubt.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's so tough being human. I tell you, we all
know this. We have this voice in our head that's
not our biggest champion. I know sometimes there's that divine
guidance and that self with a big ass, our soul self.
But why do we believe the voice of this negativity
when we look at the mirror and mine shows the
extra pounds and the gray hair and all that and
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is not my best friend. Yet we believe it for
so many other things. So push through that doubt. I
love that I do.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Remember when I said love in the face of pain.
See if we're going to engage in a loving way
with souls on the other side and maintain that relationship
and send love back and forth. We have to do
it in the face of pain here, and the pain
is doubt an uncertainty, and pain is missing that person
(33:29):
and grieving, and then when we try to make contact,
it brings up the grief. So this is another example.
In this case, it's loving across the veil that we
have to hear. We have to do it in the
face of pain and doubt is one of those difficult things.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Agreed, If you wouldn't mind share some tools about how
we can channel, as you call it, with our loved ones,
because Matt, who's listening right now, could be experiencing some
of the worst grief imaginable, and we want to believe.
How would we start If you wouldn't mind, we'd love
to learn.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, there was one other thing I wanted to say
about God and the afterlife. There is no judgment in
the afterlife. God doesn't judge, or that all doesn't judge.
This whole idea that we have to live this life
and we're going to be judged at the end of
it and bad go to hell and then we're to
go to have it's completely false and Jordan's just said
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that over and over and over again. It's false. There
is no judgment in the afterlife. All we do is
go there and learn from the life we just lived.
We're not judged, we're not ridiculed, we're not examined, we're
not turned back because of the things we did. So
I just want to really emphasize that that that's one
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of the other really important things about the afterlife. It's
a place of love and zero judgment, and there are
no places where people go to and suffer. Okay, how
do I chaml Sorry for that little digression, but it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
We needed to hear it.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I would encourage people to just select a place that
you feel safe and secure. I actually usually channel right
here in this room, right at this desk and such
my childhood desk that my folks gave me when I
was eleven. Find something that makes the place that you
feel safe and set that up as a kind of
a ritual for where you'll channel. Then you need to
clarify the spiritual address of where you're sending your communications
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to the afterlife. You can just be aware of the
soul you're trying to communicate. By the way you can
channel yourself. You can channel your own soul energy in
the afterlife, and that could be an address you send communications,
you can channel to guides and so anyway, just be
clear on the address, who is it, what entity are
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you seeking to communicate with. I think it's sometimes it's
very helpful in terms of communicating to the souls who
we knew in life and have died. Is to have
a little talentman, something that connects us to a physical object,
something that maybe they gave us, something that belonged to them.
I use Jordan. I use actually this business card that
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he had that says Jordan McKay that the CEO of
Mega Technology there was no Mega Technology. He used this
to get into trade shows when he was in high school.
But I keep the card because it just reminds me
of his humor. And it's just the quality of a
person to create a person. And that's my talents. But
you find one of your own and get something that's
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nexts you to that person in a physical way. It
really is helpful. For eye fixation. Just use a candle,
just something that holds your attention. You can look at it,
but it could be anything that could be a mandala
or some sort of sea polish stone or Celtic not whatever.
But find something you can put your attention on and
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then take a breath, and as you exhale, now we're
going to go into the kind of a symbol of
a pasta meditation. As you exil, just form the intention
to open the channel. Bring all tension down to the diaphragm.
Focus on the diaphragm. It's a center of breath, center
of life. On each outbreath. Count So first out breath,
one second, but two, three, four, keep counting to ten.
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If you're starting to feel receptive and open, you can
start moving into channeling. If not, to another round of ten.
So it's just a simple meditation where we attend to
the breath. When there's a thought that comes up, let
the thought go, go back to the breath, and just
count each outbreath, each out there one, two, three, letting
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go of thoughts and returning to the breath. So it's
very very simple meditation, and it's okay when thoughts show up,
but just leave the thought as soon as you notice
it and get back to the breath. So that gets
us into a kind of a receptive state. And then meanwhile,
while you're doing the meditation, just keep your eyes fixed
on the candle. What Ralph taught me, is this a
little divination to add to this? And what you do
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is you visualize at worb just above your head, maybe
six inches above your head, color the sun, and just
visualize it there and then see it elongating into a
tube like connection to the soul you're trying to reach.
And this is the channel opening we visualize it or
and now we just visualize the channel opening all the
way to that soul. And in fact, that's exactly what happens,
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because every soul in the afterlife who we love is
just a thought of way, since we think about them,
it opens the channel. And so the channel is opening
as we are thinking about with love, we're thinking about
that soul that we want to connect to, and so
the channel is now open. I think it's really important
is to make sure that the communications are written down.
So get it in a notebook or whatever. But you
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have to paper and have a writing implement and write
your question down, write your first question down, and then wait.
The answer will show up in your mind. But the
answer is being channeled or it's being communicated telepathically, so
just wait and it can come in different ways. Sometimes
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it comes as a big download. Just a huge download.
It doesn't even words just knowing. Sometimes it comes as
an image or a picture. Sometimes it comes as a
few distinct words, you're very succinct. Sometimes it comes as
a phrase, and then you have to wait for the
phrase to turn into a whole sentence, and then you
may wait a little bit for the next sentence, and
(39:23):
sometimes it comes slowly. So it comes in all different ways,
and it's okay. Every way is fine. If it comes
as a picture or just knowing, then you have to
find words to describe the knowing or the picture. But
in every case, write down what you get, whether it's
just a few words, very very compressed information, or in
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some cases it's many, many sentences, and just stay with
it until it stops. Stay with it until the communication stops,
and then you write down the next question. And the
other thing is the act of writing. Watching that on
the page is part of channeling because it actually puts
us in a very receptive state. Literally watching the ink
(40:07):
form on the page puts us in very recept state.
So that's why it's so important in my view to
write down the questions and the answers that come down.
The other reason you want to write down the answers
is you want to have a record to look back
on later. I have lots of things that Jordan has
said to me and I'll go back years later just
read them and go, oh my god, I forgot that
and that's important and that actually happens to me all
the time. So having the record helps preserve the learning
(40:30):
that you're getting. And you can ask anything. You can
ask how that soul is, what they're doing. At one
point I asked Jordan if he incarnated, he had incarnated
as a little girl, and he could tell me some
things about that life if I was curious. But you
can ask about what's happening with the soul right now,
what they're learning in the afterlife. Jordan's talked a lot
about that. He's learning a lot about how to influence people,
(40:54):
how to influence people to see things in new ways. Also,
you can ask about what is going on up there,
what is the afterlife like. Also you could ask advice
for your own life. These souls are very wise. Every
soul has had many, many lives, and they have the
benefit of wisdom that we've forgotten. When they come here,
we leave that behind as part of the amnesia of life.
(41:17):
So they have all this wisdom, so we can ask
their advice. I Jordan about advice about everything about his sister.
How should I respond to this or that? I asked
him work problems. I asked his advice. While I'm doing
a psychotherapy session, I'm feeling stuck, what do I do now?
And he speaks up and usually it's something that didn't
occur to me. And so you can ask for advice.
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We can ask for the nature of reality that can
help let us form a new or a more accurate
cosmology of how things really are and why we're here,
and we could ask about them and what's going on
for them. I think it is important though, in these
communications to convey love to that soul, to send them
love in whatever form, because they need our love just
(42:04):
like we need their love. It enhances their existence. So
sending love, I think is an important part of channeling
when we're channeling love on something, So that's basically it.
It's pretty much as simple as that. And after furious silence,
when you finish one question, you can just write another
one again.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we've been listening to professor and psychotherapist, doctor Matthew
McKay on how he channels his son Jordan through writing
if you're anything like me, this is an episode we
want to listen to again with the notebook handy. As
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we move on, he's speaking about love and I have
some more questions for him about this channeling process, and
then we also get into the very important topic of grief,
so let's continue.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I think it is important, though, in these communications to
convey love to that's so to send them love in
whatever form, because they need our love just like we
need their love. It enhances their existence. So sending love,
I think is an important part of channeling. When we're
channeling love on something the other side. Well, that's basically
(44:55):
it's pretty much as simple as that. And after purious silence,
when you finish one quest I should you can just
write another one.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
That a couple of things that came to mind. One.
I think it's great writing it down because I know,
if I want to talk to my dad, I'll start, hey, Dad,
and then all of a sudden, it's what are we
going to have for dinner tonight?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Exactly a lot of distractions. Yes, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, so we're writing it down. When mister or missus,
doubt does creep in, though, something comes out of the
pen and the mind starts to analyze and think, oh,
that's crazy, I just made it up. Do we go
back to the candle? Do we go back to taking
a few breaths? Thank you doubt for sharing. But we're
going to keep going with this push through that.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, I just keep going, Just keep going. Sometimes he
says something. Jordan says a lot of things to me
that haven't occurred to me before, which is one of
the ways I feel clear about the authenticity of this communication.
But I sometimes you'll say something on go, what is that?
But I just keep going. I just stay with the process.
(46:00):
The next question or I asked him to clarify it,
or I'll even mentioned to him, boy, I'm feeling a
lot of uncertainty, and so he'll just respond to that
at some way, so I bring it into the conversation.
But I think it's important to just keep going, don't
give up when doubt shows up, don't stop, stay with it.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I remember when I wrote my book, I had a
writing coach and she says, just let it all flow.
Let it all flow. The time to analyze it is
after after you got your stories out. And I think
two when we do the channel in writing don't write
a sentence and read a sentence. Write a sentence, read
a sentence. Maybe just be in that flow, be open
(46:42):
and experiment with it. I also think, Matt, that it's important.
I know you say you work with Jordan every week.
There's so many people, and myself included, we want immediate results.
We want maybe the lights to flicker on and off
or something so obvious it takes something from us. I
(47:02):
think it's not that they can't give us good signs,
because they can, but to open up that relationship and
keep it going. So would it makes sense to make
a date with our loved ones and keep that journal
And today's date is such and such. How often did
you channel with Jordan when you started.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I can't remember. I would channel with him fairly often,
but it might have been about the same interval now
as once a week, I would say. And so over
the course of fifteen years, I've had hundreds of communications,
and I've been so blessed you from him, And so
I don't think there's any rule about this, but I
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do think that people should try to do it often
enough if they stay connected. It's the same thing when
you're any loved one. You have to talk to them periodically,
and that's what feeds the relationship. And you talk to them,
you connect, You find out what's going on with them,
They find out what's going on with you, and through
that process, love flows between you. And I think it's
(48:07):
exactly the same thing with loved ones in the affli
and Jordan has been so clear about this, I guess
I want to say this that relationships always live. It
doesn't matter if that person dies, the relationship lives. That
person is just a thought away. They love us, and
the love is still living, still active, still flourishing. And
(48:32):
that's true regardless of whether we connect to them or not,
whether we channel or not. But when we channel, we
get to act on that love ourselves and we get
to bathe in the love. We get to feel the love,
which is such a beautiful thing. That's one of the
things that is so wonderful for me there. It doesn't
happen to every time I channel, but there are moments
when I just feel Jordan's love all through me and
(48:55):
I feel my love for him inside my body, and
it's just such a beautiful moment. And that's one of
the rewards of channeling, is feeling that love as an
act of living, experience beautiful words.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I know personally grief can come on like waves, and
all the investigating I've done really has helped with the grief,
but the grief is still there. So if we're in
one of those waves of grief, do we wait till
another time to do it? Push through it, include our
loved one in it. Any words on grief.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
All emotions are waves, and interestingly, some resources shows the
average emotion lasts less than seven minutes, even grief itself.
Now there'll be another wave, but all emotions come as waves,
and to not be afraid of them when that wave comes,
allow it to ride it. And it's also you mentioned
(49:54):
one choice we have when that grief shows up is
to turn it into communication, to open the channel during
a period of grief. And I think sometimes there's complicated
things about grief, and sometimes grief actually blocks the channel.
So people are waiting for the loved ones to show
up or a period to them or give them a sign,
and their grief is so powerful it kind of blocks
the channel and the loved one can't get through. But
(50:17):
also paradoxically, if you deliberately open the channel during grief,
I think it can make it. The communication is more intense,
more beautiful in some ways because now we're just not
conveying words, we're conveying our deepest feelings, our love on
the deepest level. So the grief actually is an opportunity
to open the channel with great power and truthfulness. And
(50:40):
the two things here, one is don't be afraid of
the wave. Let the wave come. See, people are afraid
of grief because they think it's a model. Oh the
grief's gonna come, it's gonna crush me and down I go.
I won't be able to survive. But it doesn't work
like that. It's just a wave and a wave subsides,
and after a period of time there'll be another way.
The longer out to go be after the person's death.
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Usually the waves are further apart, and sometimes they're a
little less intense. But it's also possible years later you
can have a wave that goes right through the roof
and ride it and allow it and don't be afraid
of it, and that wave is actually an opportunity to connect.
I just want to encourage people to allow the feeling.
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On some level, the feeling is beautiful because what makes
grief so intense is the love, and so when we
allow the grief, we're also allowing the love. And I
guess I want to encourage people to do that. And
the last thing I will say about grief is I've
learned if I could put that way to grieve Jordan's
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physical absence, and he'd be thirty nine. Now. I don't
get to see him grow up. I don't get to
see him having I mean, he was twenty three when
he died. They're not going to be a family. His
girlfriend when he died has a new partner and has
a kid, and I won't get to have any of
that I or get to observe any of that, or
be part of any of that. Jordan in his life
doesn't get to have that. And so I can have
(52:03):
grief about his physical absence, but I don't have grief
about he's gone. And I don't have grief about the
love I have for him has nowhere to go, or
the love he has for me I can't receive. That
is not part of the grief. The grief is just
limited to, Oh, his physical presence is not here, but
Jordan is here. Jordan is with me, and he says
(52:25):
that to me all the time. Bill Tarious, I say
it all the time. He's done. I am with you.
I am with you, and he is. So the grief
is limited when we start really communicating and connecting, limited
to just the loss of that physical manifestation of that soul.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Beautiful words. I spoke with a mom you may know her,
Maria pay, whose two sons were murdered by her ex
husband and then he killed himself, and she said, when
those waves of grief come, I think of a good
memory with my boys, that love, and then I start
talking to them. So that's her way in and then
(53:05):
really touched my heart. Matt, any more words you wish
to share?
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Jordan asked me to say. When I have an opportunity
to tell a little bit about history and us, is
that He just says, Remember, you will be received, you
will be cared for, and you will be loved. When
you die, he says, the dark door will open and
the light of love take you. So you don't have
(53:33):
to be afraid of death. And also we don't have
to be afraid of the impermanence. Here where loved ones
appear to die, the dark door opens and the light
of love has taken them in and will take us.
So enjoyed being with you, son.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
And thank you to doctor Matthew McKay, author of the
book Seeking Jordan, how I learned the truth about death
and the Invisible Universe. I hope you give doctor Matt's
channeling a try. Whether you call it automatic writing or
inspired writing, it's all dealing with the same tools to connect.
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Our loved ones are with us, and they work with
us in such subtle ways, and sometimes we just need
to quiet that busy mind, to let the floodgates open.
That little voice of doubt will always be there for us.
But the more we do this, the more we will
be convinced that it is our loved ones speaking. I
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came across a few quotes today that I want to
share with you, not about the afterlife, but about living life.
Often it's very hard to take the first step in
the direction of our dreams, and it may be to
do the practice doctor mackay told us about today. William
shed said a ship in a harbor is safe, but
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that is not what ships are built for. Donald Walsh
said life begins at the end of your comfort zone.
My friend, it is so difficult being a human being.
But when we venture out of the safe harbor and
we have our eyes focused on a goal, miracles happen.
You can fill the sales with gratitude and kindness and
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being of service to others. I think that's the recipe
for a good life. As a reminder, my home base
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Chapter ten is how to Survive Grief. I do hope
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(01:08):
For over twenty five years, I've been on a journey
to prove the existence of life after death. On each episode,
we'll discuss the reasons we now know that our loved
ones have survived physical debt and so will we. Welcome
to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm very excited today. I'm
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excited to share our guest. I'm excited that there's a
new way to communicate with our loved ones. Today you'll
meet doctor Matthew McKay who's a psychology professor in Berkeley, California,
who never would have believed in the world of the
afterlife and communication had his own adult son not been
(01:51):
taken from him. Doctor McKay has authored or co authored
more than twenty five psychology, self hell and therapist texts
and books specializing in anxiety and depression. And in this
episode today you'll hear his story and what he does
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to connect with his son, Jordan. Here's doctor Matthew McKay.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I'm glad to be with you, Sandra. So it's more
than fifteen years now since Jordan died. He was on
his way home from work on his bicycle and men
attacked him, probably to try to steal a bike. Eventually,
after a tremendous physical battle, they shot him and he
died on the street. As anyone can imagine, that's the
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worst thing that happened, is losing your child at that
moment or very shortly afterwards. I think that the two
things that mattered most to me, and I think this
may be true for a lot of appearance or anyone
who loses a loved one, does that soul still exist
and are they okay? Are they in a place where
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they feel good? And I was just consumed with that question,
and so I did start looking for Jordan, started seeking
him in different ways. In we went to mediums and
got some sense of something he was saying through them.
And yet while there was some sense of him, some
(03:24):
reassurance he might still exist, it wasn't anything that really
warmed our hearts, and so we began looking in other ways.
We sought out Alan Botkin, who discovered accidentally something he
calls and do stuff after death communication went to Chicago.
It's a technique that comes from EMDR. I moved in
(03:46):
to sensitization through processing, which is something that we used
to help treat trauma. I've used it with hundreds of
clients over the years, but in this case, we were
going to see him and he was going to use
his variation of that with us. During that experience, I
had my first direct contact with Jordan. I could hear
his voice very clearly, and it was not inside my head.
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It was a voice that was coming from outside of me.
It was his voice, and he was telling me the
very things that I needed to know that he still existed.
In fact, he's watching over us, he was observing our lives.
He was connected to us, and he was good and
he was happy where he was. So this was a
first major step for me, for us, my wife and
(04:31):
I to begin to connect to him again and to
re establish the relationship through the curtain to the other side.
So that was important. Also before this, I had read
a lot of Michael Newton's work on Juria of Souls
and so forth, and I had learned, because I'm psychotherapist
(04:51):
and I'm a good hypnotist, I'd learned his particular method
of regressing people to their past lives and then from
there bouncing into the life between lives and having them
observe the life between lives. And I had done that
with quite a few people. I didn't charge them, but
I did it. If anybody who wanted it and needed
I would do it, and I got to observe their experience.
(05:13):
But I never got to have it. And so somewhere
along this point in time, I got involved with Ralph Messner,
who was the late Ralph Messrs, a specialist in the
afterlife and after deathcommunication. He did that same process. He
induced me into a past life and then the life
between lives, and I could make contact with Jordan in
that way, And it's confirming that souls reincarnate together and
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often in very different relationships to each other in each
particular life. They often have very different ways of connecting.
The problem still was that it was all one way.
I was with Alan Bodkin's process, I was just hearing
Jordan passively. With mediums, I was hearing their representation of
what Jordan was saying. Even in this hypnotic process. With Ralph,
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it was a passive process. I was experiencing things, but
I was not able to participate in the communication. So
finally Ralph taught me how to do channel communication. And
it didn't take him very long, as it was actually
a fairly simple process, and I tell your audience how
to do it if they would be interested. But in
less than an hour he taught me how to do it, proudly,
(06:22):
much less than an hour. I went home that night
and I had my first experience of conversation with Jordan,
a conversation in which I could ask questions, he could
answer them, I could respond, he could respond to whatever
I was saying, and it felt like we had gone
back to those beautiful days around the kitchen table where
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we could talk about anything and have these long, beautiful
and endless conversations. And I had my first experience of
being able to have that again and greatly shifted the grief,
the grief of having lost him to I've lost his
physical presence, but the relationship and the love is still
(07:05):
completely there, completely intact, completely alive. So that was an
enormous transformation for me. And I still have Jordan in
my life, and to have that has made all the
difference in terms of facing this loss, but also in
terms of learning. I've learned so much from him, and
that's made a big difference. I have a completely different
(07:26):
understanding and cosmology how the universe works as a result
of his communications.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Before we end our chat today, we'd love to know
those steps, but I'd like to find a little bit
more about some of the things that Jordan talked to
you about. And in the beginning, a father knows his love.
I know my dad's love. No one can convince me
that some of the things I've experienced were just my imagination.
You feel his presence, as you right.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Question. I feel is love, If I could put it
that way, I can feel his love inside of me,
feeling his presence like he's sitting in the room. I
don't actually have that experience. I can feel him in
my body, and I can feel the love in my body.
But how he manifests himself is the things he says
that are occurring inside my mind but are definitely channeled,
(08:19):
because there are things that I never dreamed of, have
thought of imagined, and they're said in his way of communicating,
not in mind. So what I get from him is
is communication. But I do feel him physically.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's I guess the answer I was looking for in
that love. No one can take that away. What kind
of things did he talk about? Did he tell you
about the spirit world, what he's doing, what life's about?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
That? Yeah, Over time they shared all of that with me,
and he's decided that he's going to write certain books,
and he set out to write a book, Lewini's Landscape
in the Afterlife, which is really helping people with a
fear of death and telling them exactly what is out there,
what to expect, what that afterlife looks like, it feels,
and also why we leave it to come here. So
(09:07):
he outlined the book in about five minutes and then
over time. Basically, I channeled all of his It's all
from him. So what does he say the afterlife is
their components to it. The first thing that happens after
we die is we end up in he calls the
landing Place, and it's just adjacent to the spirit world.
(09:28):
And in the landing Place, the main function of that
spot is to get used to having a non physical experience.
We see it three hundred and sixty degrees not just
straight ahead. We are hearing things telepathically. We move by intention,
but not by muscle motions. And this landing Place is
often familiar in some ways. It's a setting that we
(09:50):
might have known in our lives. But it also has
a surreal quality of heightened colors and so forth, very
very beautiful, and it's there we meet God and some
of the important souls, perhaps from our soul group, who
come to greet us in that's place. We're getting used
to this not being physical anymore. But it's also a
(10:11):
place where guys evaluate our readiness to enter the spirit world.
If we have a lot of intense residual emotions from
the unfinished issues in our life that are really strong
and overwhelming. A lot of fear or a lot of anger.
We'll go to ancillary places where Bardo's where we work
(10:34):
on that before we can enter the spiritual You can't
enter the spirit world with intense negative emotions, and so
there's sometimes a pausing that goes on and certain healing
processes that have to happen before the soul is ready
to fully enter the afterlife. The sort of sorting out
is done in this anti room landing place, and so
(10:56):
once we enter the spirit world, the very first stop
is where we do life review as many people have
talked about that. Jordan describes it, and I've had a
little bit of the experience also when I've done the
life between life regressions. It's a very powerful experience. And
(11:16):
in that experience, we experience everything we've done, every choice
we've made, from our own perspective, but also from the
perspective of the person who was affected by that choice
or that behavior. So we're experiencing it both ways. And
on top of that, not only do we experience it
as that person experienced it at the moment, but over
time how it impacted them in terms of moving forward
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in their life, how what we did impacted and affected them,
and we're going through every single significant choice that we
made in our lives and observing its effect on ourselves
on others over time longitude. So it's a very powerful process.
It takes a while. We're supported by guys, and we
(12:02):
do a tremendous amount of learning in this process. It's
just it's huge. It's a monumental re experiencing of life
from all perspectives. Then there are other steps that we
can see in the afterlife, but fairly soon we reunite
with our soul group. And as I think many people
are aware of, the soul group is basically our family.
(12:23):
It's our spiritual family. And there's anywhere between oh I
don't know, six and twenty or so souls in each group.
And then there are a lot of adjacent soul groups
that connect to our own. We're not only involved our
own soul group. You could think of it like a neighborhood.
The soul group lives in one house and a little
family together, and then there are houses that are next
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door and across the street and down the street, and
these are all adjacent soul groups with whom we often
have very significant and powerful connections of love and with
whom we reincarnate. Typically, we often reincarnate with our own
so group at the same time, the same place, in
various relationships.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
This is a good time to take our first break,
and then we'll be back with doctor Matthew McKay. He
talks about some interesting things and he explains reincarnation in
a way I've never heard before. So we'll be back.
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Speaker 2 (15:11):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and this episode is dedicated to Professor Matthew McKay and
the way he learned to communicate with his son Jordan.
Some of the concepts that he brings up are new
to me, and whether it's this episode or any episode
(15:33):
of mine, or anybody that talks about the afterlife, use
what fits to empower you in your life. If you
can imagine going into a clothing store and maybe you're
looking for a coat. You try on different coats, Maybe
none of them fit, maybe a couple of them fit,
those that fit, those that make you feel great, take
(15:54):
them for your life. That's the same with different concepts
around the afterlife. For all the billions of people who
have ever lived, in the billions of ways that we've
lived our life, I have a sneaky suspicion that there's
not just one exact way that we experience our transitions
depends on our beliefs and so forth. So now we'll
(16:16):
get back to doctor McKay and he's talking about soul
groups and reincarnating as soul groups.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
We often reincarnate with our own soul group at the
same time, the same place, in various relationships. Others from
adjacent groups will be part of our incarnational existence. So
we return to our family and to our neighborhood essentially,
and in the soul group, initially there's just a big celebration,
(16:44):
and in the afterlife there's a lot of fun. I
just want to mention that that there's music, there's games,
there's partying, literally partying where people get together and just
enjoyed the love of each other and catch up and
community indicate there's a lot of things that we do
in the afterlife that are really pleasurable and recreational, and
(17:06):
we do that in our soul group as well. There's
a particularly soul group that Jordan is and they call
it the Farm because when in the afterlife, you can
create images, and so whatever you actually think or imagine,
you can create that image in such a way that
it has a kind of a certain reality. And so
that particular soul group has created a house that looks
(17:27):
like a farmhouse, and for that reason they call their
little group the Farm. And of course there's a celebration,
there's an re engagement. Now, I just want to say
something that might be of interest. Part of our soul
energy always stays in the afterlife. It always stays, so
we are always present in our soul group. We are
(17:47):
always present in the afterlife, even though we incarnate. And
so when we incarnate, part of our soul energy enters
a body, but part of our soul energy always remains
in the after life. So we reunite with the part
of our energy that has always been there. It's a
more full and vibrant energy because now all of our
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energy is in one place, but it is also an
opportunity now to do more learning. So a lot of
what we do should have fun is we engage in
a lot of learning. There are guys who are specialty
teachers that come in to our soul group and offer
lessons about all manner things, but we also engage in
(18:31):
learning in other ways. One of the big things that
we do is we visit the Kashak Record as part
of our learning process in the afterlife. And the Akashak
Record is I'm sure many know you can think of
it as a gigantic library, and in it it's contained
everything that's ever happened. It's everything that's ever happened, particularly
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everything that's ever happened to any conscious entity conscious of soul.
And a lot of the Kashak Record also involves incarnations
and what each soul did in the incarnation on many,
many countless planets, because we incarnate on many many different planets,
Earth being one of the more difficult ones. So we
do a lot of studying of that, and part of
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that is studying the life we live, but also the
life we might have lived, so we can actually in
the caution record, we can look at what if I
decided something else? And then a chapter opens and we
can now see the outcome of what that would have
looked like had we made that other choice. And there's
a lot of learning that comes from that. And we
can do the same thing with other souls. We can
(19:36):
go back and take a look at Abraham Lincoln and see, Okay,
what would have happened if he didn't sign the Emancipation Proclamation?
What would have been the outcome were going to see?
We could study that. So we're studying outcomes, We're studying
what happens when you do X and Y and z.
And there's so much learning there. So it's not just
what I did, but what I might have done, or
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choices that were potential but ever made. So it's a
beautiful opportunity. And when we certainly close up the record,
that chapter becomes null. It's not like a parallel universe.
It's just a possible universe that exists just as long
as we were observing it and learning from it, and
then close it, it goes back into a kind of
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avoid state.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I wanted to ask because Jordan never said, Dad, I
know you're going through pain. This is the point of
being there on earth.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I think that's the greatest gift He's given me, is
a sense of our purpose here. Why do we come
to this place that's so painful, where we go through
such struggle. And I think a lot of people feel
like pain is a bad thing. It's like a sign
of failure, It's like something we've done wrong, we shouldn't
(20:48):
have pain. But in fact, we come to a physical
world under a body that has a nervous system, so
that we can actually encounter pain. And so why would
we do that? What is the point of pain? What
Jordan says is that we incarnate in order to learn
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how to love in the face of pain. That's the
main task we have here. We are learning how to love. See,
in the spirit world, love exists without qualification. We just
exist in the state of love. Love is essentially the
air that we breathe in the spirit world, and it's
what connects all of us. But we incarnate to learn
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how to love intentionally, meaning how to love in the
face of obstacles and push back from the world we
live in. Maybe a silly example would be the parent
who comes home is exhausted and is worn out and
their kid is upset by something and it needs some
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help with their homework and so forth. We have to
love in the face of the pain of the tiredness.
Maybe we had a bad day of work, we're feeling anxious.
In the face of the anxiety, Maybe we're upset with
our kid because they've been misbehaving, and so we have
to love in the face of that anger or irritation.
So that's what love is about. That's what we're learning here,
how to love in the face of these obstacles, in
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the face of the pain, and the pain is teaching
us how to love. It's teaching us how to love.
In the spirit world, there is no pain, and love
is effortless. But we have to learn how to love intentionally,
and that's what we come here to do. And the
last thing I'll say, it's just another comment here, is
that everything we're learning we come here to learn, and
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everything we're learning we're uploading to all. So not only
are we learning it as individual souls, but our mission
here is to keep teaching all, is to give all
everything that we've learned and it uploaded. And so the
mission of learning to love in the face of pain
and everything else that we learn about this existence is
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given to all, and all continues to grow and develop
and evolve. Now, some people think that God is perfect
and it doesn't evolve and doesn't grow. That's not at
all true for you. To Jordan, God is evolving. God,
all of consciousness is evolving, growing and continually learning. And
the means by which most of God's learning occurs is
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us incarnating in physical worlds, and all the things we
learn become part of the knowledge of God.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I wanted to ask you about God. A lot of
people I've interviewed have had near death experiences and they've
seen whoever the person is from their own religion. Some
people just feel this incredible light and it's this unconditional love.
Can you talk a little bit more through Jordan about
this unconditional love, this light, this God. It's the best word.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, the best way I can describe it is that all.
For use the word all actually because God is a
kind of limited word. So like we have this picture
of some little guy in a white beard sitting in
a big golden crusted chair or something, and that's not
what it is. All is all of us. We are
all God. Every single conscious entity is part of All,
(24:11):
and is part of God. And that's why when we
learn something, God learns something, that's because we are part
of it. And so when you talk about, you know,
feeling the love of God and feeling the love and
connection to God, what we're talking about is oneness. We're
talking about feeling the love of all because we're all
connected with love. That's what holds God together, That's what
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holds all consciousness together, and in fact, everything, the conscience creates,
all the world's, all the physical, everything is held together
with the gravity of love. So when we're feeling the
love of God, we're feeling that oneness, that deep connection
to all, and the love that holds it all together,
holds all of us together and unites us and connects
(24:56):
us as one. So it's a little different than in
my understanding from Jordan's, a little different from God is
an entity personality that showers love out. But Jordan's understanding,
what he's taught me is that we are all God,
and the love we experience is the love of connectedness
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to all and everything that exists, and that love is
something shared as opposed to showered on us, if that
makes sense. It's something that we all share and experience
together as opposed to an entity, showers us with love.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Thank you for that. I want to read just a
few sentences that I read in your book because it
deals with doubt. You're ed, I'm exhausted. I blow out
the candle. I want to believe everything I've heard, but
I hate self deception. It's a response I inherited from
my father, a man who despised the ways people lie
to themselves to justify their needs and actions. But suddenly
(25:56):
it's clear I will have to live with that remembered
content in order to keep listening. If I want to
open the channel so my boy can talk to me,
then I'll also have to live with a doubt, perhaps
even ridicule, Matt. So many people we doubt our own thoughts.
We worry about what other people have to say about
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what we're doing. What would you say that helped.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
You move through that?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
You know what, I've got a backbone to share this,
this is reality and to push through that doubt.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, I think that what you say is really important
about pushing through because it's not a matter of certainty.
And actually, some people clients of mine that I've taught
how to channel, and it resisted because they say, I'm
only going to channel if I have no doubt, if
I have certainty, and then they don't. They don't channel
even though they could, even though they have, because they
(26:51):
are insisting on certainty in order to reach out across
the veil and reach the loved ones on the other side.
So if we're going to say I have to have
certain need to do this, and most of us will
not be able to do.
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I'm Sander Champlain, and we're with doctor Matthew McKay, author
of the book Seeking Jordan. How I learned the truth
about death and the invisible Universe. I had just asked
him about doubt. Very difficult to think. Are these thoughts
coming in my mind? Are they mine? Or are they
really from someone in the afterlife. So as we continue on,
(30:53):
we'll talk about pushing through doubt, We'll talk about grief,
and he'll share with us his method of connecting to
loved ones and even our soul.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Clients of mine that I've taught how to channel, and
I'm resisted because they say, I'm only going to channel
if I have no doubt, if I have certainty, And
then they don't. They don't channel even though they could,
even though they have because they are insisting on certainty
in order to reach out across the veil and reach
the loved ones on the other side. So if we're
going to say I have to have uncertainty to do this,
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then most of us will not be able to do it.
But it's just what you said. It's pushing through the doubt,
and doubt shows up for me still. I have moments
where the thought occurs to me, is this real? Or
something Jordan says makes me wondering, what would you just say?
Does that make sense? And oftentimes even just starting the process,
I have to start with the awareness that I have
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fear that something might happen that might lead me to
believe that it's not true, so that doubt is there.
I've been doing this now for fifteen years. I would
say the doubt has diminished somewhat, but it still shows up.
And so every time I start, I usually channel with
Jordan once a week. Every time I start to channel,
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I can feel a little at that edge of anxiety
that what if something happens here that makes me wonder
if this is true? And there's a little bit of doubt,
And so I have to push through it because my
biggest value is the love between Jordan and myself and
enact that and be part of that and engage with
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him with love. That's my biggest value. And I have
to do that even though sometimes there's some doubt.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
It's so tough being human. I tell you, we all
know this. We have this voice in our head that's
not our biggest champion. I know sometimes there's that divine
guidance and that self with a big ass, our soul self.
But why do we believe the voice of this negativity
when we look at the mirror and mine shows the
extra pounds and the gray hair and all that and
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is not my best friend. Yet we believe it for
so many other things. So push through that doubt. I
love that I do.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Remember when I said love in the face of pain.
See if we're going to engage in a loving way
with souls on the other side and maintain that relationship
and send love back and forth. We have to do
it in the face of pain here, and the pain
is doubt an uncertainty, and pain is missing that person
(33:29):
and grieving, and then when we try to make contact,
it brings up the grief. So this is another example.
In this case, it's loving across the veil that we
have to hear. We have to do it in the
face of pain and doubt is one of those difficult things.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Agreed, If you wouldn't mind share some tools about how
we can channel, as you call it, with our loved ones,
because Matt, who's listening right now, could be experiencing some
of the worst grief imaginable, and we want to believe.
How would we start If you wouldn't mind, we'd love
to learn.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, there was one other thing I wanted to say
about God and the afterlife. There is no judgment in
the afterlife. God doesn't judge, or that all doesn't judge.
This whole idea that we have to live this life
and we're going to be judged at the end of
it and bad go to hell and then we're to
go to have it's completely false and Jordan's just said
(34:23):
that over and over and over again. It's false. There
is no judgment in the afterlife. All we do is
go there and learn from the life we just lived.
We're not judged, we're not ridiculed, we're not examined, we're
not turned back because of the things we did. So
I just want to really emphasize that that that's one
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of the other really important things about the afterlife. It's
a place of love and zero judgment, and there are
no places where people go to and suffer. Okay, how
do I chaml Sorry for that little digression, but it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
We needed to hear it.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I would encourage people to just select a place that
you feel safe and secure. I actually usually channel right
here in this room, right at this desk and such
my childhood desk that my folks gave me when I
was eleven. Find something that makes the place that you
feel safe and set that up as a kind of
a ritual for where you'll channel. Then you need to
clarify the spiritual address of where you're sending your communications
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to the afterlife. You can just be aware of the
soul you're trying to communicate. By the way you can
channel yourself. You can channel your own soul energy in
the afterlife, and that could be an address you send communications,
you can channel to guides and so anyway, just be
clear on the address, who is it, what entity are
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you seeking to communicate with. I think it's sometimes it's
very helpful in terms of communicating to the souls who
we knew in life and have died. Is to have
a little talentman, something that connects us to a physical object,
something that maybe they gave us, something that belonged to them.
I use Jordan. I use actually this business card that
(36:06):
he had that says Jordan McKay that the CEO of
Mega Technology there was no Mega Technology. He used this
to get into trade shows when he was in high school.
But I keep the card because it just reminds me
of his humor. And it's just the quality of a
person to create a person. And that's my talents. But
you find one of your own and get something that's
(36:28):
nexts you to that person in a physical way. It
really is helpful. For eye fixation. Just use a candle,
just something that holds your attention. You can look at it,
but it could be anything that could be a mandala
or some sort of sea polish stone or Celtic not whatever.
But find something you can put your attention on and
(36:50):
then take a breath, and as you exhale, now we're
going to go into the kind of a symbol of
a pasta meditation. As you exil, just form the intention
to open the channel. Bring all tension down to the diaphragm.
Focus on the diaphragm. It's a center of breath, center
of life. On each outbreath. Count So first out breath,
one second, but two, three, four, keep counting to ten.
(37:12):
If you're starting to feel receptive and open, you can
start moving into channeling. If not, to another round of ten.
So it's just a simple meditation where we attend to
the breath. When there's a thought that comes up, let
the thought go, go back to the breath, and just
count each outbreath, each out there one, two, three, letting
(37:33):
go of thoughts and returning to the breath. So it's
very very simple meditation, and it's okay when thoughts show up,
but just leave the thought as soon as you notice
it and get back to the breath. So that gets
us into a kind of a receptive state. And then meanwhile,
while you're doing the meditation, just keep your eyes fixed
on the candle. What Ralph taught me, is this a
little divination to add to this? And what you do
(37:55):
is you visualize at worb just above your head, maybe
six inches above your head, color the sun, and just
visualize it there and then see it elongating into a
tube like connection to the soul you're trying to reach.
And this is the channel opening we visualize it or
and now we just visualize the channel opening all the
way to that soul. And in fact, that's exactly what happens,
(38:19):
because every soul in the afterlife who we love is
just a thought of way, since we think about them,
it opens the channel. And so the channel is opening
as we are thinking about with love, we're thinking about
that soul that we want to connect to, and so
the channel is now open. I think it's really important
is to make sure that the communications are written down.
So get it in a notebook or whatever. But you
(38:41):
have to paper and have a writing implement and write
your question down, write your first question down, and then wait.
The answer will show up in your mind. But the
answer is being channeled or it's being communicated telepathically, so
just wait and it can come in different ways. Sometimes
(39:02):
it comes as a big download. Just a huge download.
It doesn't even words just knowing. Sometimes it comes as
an image or a picture. Sometimes it comes as a
few distinct words, you're very succinct. Sometimes it comes as
a phrase, and then you have to wait for the
phrase to turn into a whole sentence, and then you
may wait a little bit for the next sentence, and
(39:23):
sometimes it comes slowly. So it comes in all different ways,
and it's okay. Every way is fine. If it comes
as a picture or just knowing, then you have to
find words to describe the knowing or the picture. But
in every case, write down what you get, whether it's
just a few words, very very compressed information, or in
(39:46):
some cases it's many, many sentences, and just stay with
it until it stops. Stay with it until the communication stops,
and then you write down the next question. And the
other thing is the act of writing. Watching that on
the page is part of channeling because it actually puts
us in a very receptive state. Literally watching the ink
(40:07):
form on the page puts us in very recept state.
So that's why it's so important in my view to
write down the questions and the answers that come down.
The other reason you want to write down the answers
is you want to have a record to look back
on later. I have lots of things that Jordan has
said to me and I'll go back years later just
read them and go, oh my god, I forgot that
and that's important and that actually happens to me all
the time. So having the record helps preserve the learning
(40:30):
that you're getting. And you can ask anything. You can
ask how that soul is, what they're doing. At one
point I asked Jordan if he incarnated, he had incarnated
as a little girl, and he could tell me some
things about that life if I was curious. But you
can ask about what's happening with the soul right now,
what they're learning in the afterlife. Jordan's talked a lot
about that. He's learning a lot about how to influence people,
(40:54):
how to influence people to see things in new ways. Also,
you can ask about what is going on up there,
what is the afterlife like. Also you could ask advice
for your own life. These souls are very wise. Every
soul has had many, many lives, and they have the
benefit of wisdom that we've forgotten. When they come here,
we leave that behind as part of the amnesia of life.
(41:17):
So they have all this wisdom, so we can ask
their advice. I Jordan about advice about everything about his sister.
How should I respond to this or that? I asked
him work problems. I asked his advice. While I'm doing
a psychotherapy session, I'm feeling stuck, what do I do now?
And he speaks up and usually it's something that didn't
occur to me. And so you can ask for advice.
(41:40):
We can ask for the nature of reality that can
help let us form a new or a more accurate
cosmology of how things really are and why we're here,
and we could ask about them and what's going on
for them. I think it is important though, in these
communications to convey love to that soul, to send them
love in whatever form, because they need our love just
(42:04):
like we need their love. It enhances their existence. So
sending love, I think is an important part of channeling
when we're channeling love on something, So that's basically it.
It's pretty much as simple as that. And after furious silence,
when you finish one question, you can just write another
one again.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and we've been listening to professor and psychotherapist, doctor Matthew
McKay on how he channels his son Jordan through writing
if you're anything like me, this is an episode we
want to listen to again with the notebook handy. As
(44:20):
we move on, he's speaking about love and I have
some more questions for him about this channeling process, and
then we also get into the very important topic of grief,
so let's continue.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I think it is important, though, in these communications to
convey love to that's so to send them love in
whatever form, because they need our love just like we
need their love. It enhances their existence. So sending love,
I think is an important part of channeling. When we're
channeling love on something the other side. Well, that's basically
(44:55):
it's pretty much as simple as that. And after purious silence,
when you finish one quest I should you can just
write another one.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
That a couple of things that came to mind. One.
I think it's great writing it down because I know,
if I want to talk to my dad, I'll start, hey, Dad,
and then all of a sudden, it's what are we
going to have for dinner tonight?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Exactly a lot of distractions. Yes, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, so we're writing it down. When mister or missus,
doubt does creep in, though, something comes out of the
pen and the mind starts to analyze and think, oh,
that's crazy, I just made it up. Do we go
back to the candle? Do we go back to taking
a few breaths? Thank you doubt for sharing. But we're
going to keep going with this push through that.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, I just keep going, Just keep going. Sometimes he
says something. Jordan says a lot of things to me
that haven't occurred to me before, which is one of
the ways I feel clear about the authenticity of this communication.
But I sometimes you'll say something on go, what is that?
But I just keep going. I just stay with the process.
(46:00):
The next question or I asked him to clarify it,
or I'll even mentioned to him, boy, I'm feeling a
lot of uncertainty, and so he'll just respond to that
at some way, so I bring it into the conversation.
But I think it's important to just keep going, don't
give up when doubt shows up, don't stop, stay with it.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I remember when I wrote my book, I had a
writing coach and she says, just let it all flow.
Let it all flow. The time to analyze it is
after after you got your stories out. And I think
two when we do the channel in writing don't write
a sentence and read a sentence. Write a sentence, read
a sentence. Maybe just be in that flow, be open
(46:42):
and experiment with it. I also think, Matt, that it's important.
I know you say you work with Jordan every week.
There's so many people, and myself included, we want immediate results.
We want maybe the lights to flicker on and off
or something so obvious it takes something from us. I
(47:02):
think it's not that they can't give us good signs,
because they can, but to open up that relationship and
keep it going. So would it makes sense to make
a date with our loved ones and keep that journal
And today's date is such and such. How often did
you channel with Jordan when you started.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I can't remember. I would channel with him fairly often,
but it might have been about the same interval now
as once a week, I would say. And so over
the course of fifteen years, I've had hundreds of communications,
and I've been so blessed you from him, And so
I don't think there's any rule about this, but I
(47:45):
do think that people should try to do it often
enough if they stay connected. It's the same thing when
you're any loved one. You have to talk to them periodically,
and that's what feeds the relationship. And you talk to them,
you connect, You find out what's going on with them,
They find out what's going on with you, and through
that process, love flows between you. And I think it's
(48:07):
exactly the same thing with loved ones in the affli
and Jordan has been so clear about this, I guess
I want to say this that relationships always live. It
doesn't matter if that person dies, the relationship lives. That
person is just a thought away. They love us, and
the love is still living, still active, still flourishing. And
(48:32):
that's true regardless of whether we connect to them or not,
whether we channel or not. But when we channel, we
get to act on that love ourselves and we get
to bathe in the love. We get to feel the love,
which is such a beautiful thing. That's one of the
things that is so wonderful for me there. It doesn't
happen to every time I channel, but there are moments
when I just feel Jordan's love all through me and
(48:55):
I feel my love for him inside my body, and
it's just such a beautiful moment. And that's one of
the rewards of channeling, is feeling that love as an
act of living, experience beautiful words.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I know personally grief can come on like waves, and
all the investigating I've done really has helped with the grief,
but the grief is still there. So if we're in
one of those waves of grief, do we wait till
another time to do it? Push through it, include our
loved one in it. Any words on grief.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
All emotions are waves, and interestingly, some resources shows the
average emotion lasts less than seven minutes, even grief itself.
Now there'll be another wave, but all emotions come as waves,
and to not be afraid of them when that wave comes,
allow it to ride it. And it's also you mentioned
(49:54):
one choice we have when that grief shows up is
to turn it into communication, to open the channel during
a period of grief. And I think sometimes there's complicated
things about grief, and sometimes grief actually blocks the channel.
So people are waiting for the loved ones to show
up or a period to them or give them a sign,
and their grief is so powerful it kind of blocks
the channel and the loved one can't get through. But
(50:17):
also paradoxically, if you deliberately open the channel during grief,
I think it can make it. The communication is more intense,
more beautiful in some ways because now we're just not
conveying words, we're conveying our deepest feelings, our love on
the deepest level. So the grief actually is an opportunity
to open the channel with great power and truthfulness. And
(50:40):
the two things here, one is don't be afraid of
the wave. Let the wave come. See, people are afraid
of grief because they think it's a model. Oh the
grief's gonna come, it's gonna crush me and down I go.
I won't be able to survive. But it doesn't work
like that. It's just a wave and a wave subsides,
and after a period of time there'll be another way.
The longer out to go be after the person's death.
(51:01):
Usually the waves are further apart, and sometimes they're a
little less intense. But it's also possible years later you
can have a wave that goes right through the roof
and ride it and allow it and don't be afraid
of it, and that wave is actually an opportunity to connect.
I just want to encourage people to allow the feeling.
(51:22):
On some level, the feeling is beautiful because what makes
grief so intense is the love, and so when we
allow the grief, we're also allowing the love. And I
guess I want to encourage people to do that. And
the last thing I will say about grief is I've
learned if I could put that way to grieve Jordan's
(51:43):
physical absence, and he'd be thirty nine. Now. I don't
get to see him grow up. I don't get to
see him having I mean, he was twenty three when
he died. They're not going to be a family. His
girlfriend when he died has a new partner and has
a kid, and I won't get to have any of
that I or get to observe any of that, or
be part of any of that. Jordan in his life
doesn't get to have that. And so I can have
(52:03):
grief about his physical absence, but I don't have grief
about he's gone. And I don't have grief about the
love I have for him has nowhere to go, or
the love he has for me I can't receive. That
is not part of the grief. The grief is just
limited to, Oh, his physical presence is not here, but
Jordan is here. Jordan is with me, and he says
(52:25):
that to me all the time. Bill Tarious, I say
it all the time. He's done. I am with you.
I am with you, and he is. So the grief
is limited when we start really communicating and connecting, limited
to just the loss of that physical manifestation of that soul.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Beautiful words. I spoke with a mom you may know her,
Maria pay, whose two sons were murdered by her ex
husband and then he killed himself, and she said, when
those waves of grief come, I think of a good
memory with my boys, that love, and then I start
talking to them. So that's her way in and then
(53:05):
really touched my heart. Matt, any more words you wish
to share?
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Jordan asked me to say. When I have an opportunity
to tell a little bit about history and us, is
that He just says, Remember, you will be received, you
will be cared for, and you will be loved. When
you die, he says, the dark door will open and
the light of love take you. So you don't have
(53:33):
to be afraid of death. And also we don't have
to be afraid of the impermanence. Here where loved ones
appear to die, the dark door opens and the light
of love has taken them in and will take us.
So enjoyed being with you, son.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
And thank you to doctor Matthew McKay, author of the
book Seeking Jordan, how I learned the truth about death
and the Invisible Universe. I hope you give doctor Matt's
channeling a try. Whether you call it automatic writing or
inspired writing, it's all dealing with the same tools to connect.
(54:14):
Our loved ones are with us, and they work with
us in such subtle ways, and sometimes we just need
to quiet that busy mind, to let the floodgates open.
That little voice of doubt will always be there for us.
But the more we do this, the more we will
be convinced that it is our loved ones speaking. I
(54:35):
came across a few quotes today that I want to
share with you, not about the afterlife, but about living life.
Often it's very hard to take the first step in
the direction of our dreams, and it may be to
do the practice doctor mackay told us about today. William
shed said a ship in a harbor is safe, but
(54:56):
that is not what ships are built for. Donald Walsh
said life begins at the end of your comfort zone.
My friend, it is so difficult being a human being.
But when we venture out of the safe harbor and
we have our eyes focused on a goal, miracles happen.
You can fill the sales with gratitude and kindness and
(55:20):
being of service to others. I think that's the recipe
for a good life. As a reminder, my home base
is we Don't Die dot com. If you enter your
name and your email address on that front page down
at the bottom, you get a free copy of my book.
Chapter ten is how to Survive Grief. I do hope
you take me up on that. It's so powerful. We
(55:43):
also offer our free Sunday gathering of course with medium
demonstration included wonderful classes, demonstrations, events, and so much more.
I'm Sandra Champlain and from the bottom of my heart,
thank you for listening too Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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