April 20, 2025 • 12 mins
Guest host Rich Berra and paranormal researcher Heidi Hollis discuss the mysterious Hat Man and shadow people.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Are you interested in people that have also had shadow
people in hat Man experiences? We got one right here.
Let's go to John driving his truck in Ohio. Let's
keep those hands at ten o'clock and two o'clock while
you're talking to us on the Wildcard line. Welcome to
Coast to Coast AM. You're on with Heidi.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Oh yeah, I always do. I'm safe out here. I've
got the situation that we had, and I don't understand
why he came to us, but we were playing hide
and seek, and I was probably at nine, and my
brother and sister twin seven. But anyhow, we got done
with it and we came in the house and I
kind of noticed as we were playing, there was it
(00:43):
looked like a person in a field watching everybody, all
those kids. But you know, and then you look and
you're like, okay, just don't know if it's the twilight
plane on you. So we go into our house and
our house is like maybe twenty feet from the sidewalk,
and we are upstairs. The window shade has kind of happened.
I looked down and there is this guy all dark,
(01:08):
he didn't have a cake, he had a coat on,
he had a cane in his hand, and he was
motioning and no red eyes or nothing, but he was
motioning for us to come down. So I said, hey,
there's there's something down here. My kids are my brothers
and sisters like, oh, you're just trying to scare us. Well,
they saw it and screamed, and I think my sister
(01:29):
said something like, oh Jesus, don't let him get us
or something. Anyhow, at that point, my dad comes home
and he's driving down the street in the station wagon
and this we thought. We didn't call him channel man
at that point. We called booking man, you know, the
booking man. So he walks across the street and my
dad's car goes right through him.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yea, he disappears.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, we tell our dad this, and he said, you
guys are full of craft your imagination. I didn't see
anything like that, and I never had any experience again.
And I asked my brother and sister the same thing,
and they said no. But when I had time to
lightness and I was, it went into strep throat and
I was like at one hundred, two hundred and three, temperature,
(02:11):
and I swear to God, I was upstairs in my
room and I would hear voices and just couldn't make
out what they were saying, but just in a low whisper.
And then when I would open my eyes, I would
see like just black shadows running across the room. And
I don't know if it was because I was hilarious
or because when you get in that area your sense
(02:33):
is in it. You're in a different state, maybe you're
in a different frequency. I don't know. But that's the
only time we ever experienced it. And we asked each other,
because I've listened to you before, was he trying to
get our souls as kids, because we never had an
experience with him.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Again, Unfortunately, he loves children. He loves to make an
impression and he like puts a little marker on them
that wow, they can see me. And those that are
able to see him are usually dubbed to be gifted
in a sense, and.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Is it unusual that all the kids in a family
would be able to spread that?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Okay, it does to be gifted, so it's not surprising.
Same with alien abduction. There goes another link that the
White Shadow people and hat Man are connected to the
alien agenda, the negative alien beings, I should clarify. But yeah,
so it's not surprising to me that when you had
a high temp and you could when we're weak, when
(03:35):
we're sick, when we're depressed, when we're near death, he
loves to show up because he's hoping to get a
hold on you and to take you, or to reach you,
to get in between you and your future, you and
your soul. He'll do anything. It's it's really a disgusting practice.
(03:56):
And you know a lot of people think I talked
to upbeat about this stuff. It's like, look, one thing
that the evil hates is humor, and they hate positivity
and they hate laughter. So having a positive outlook in
regards to anything dark really helps to repel them. So
it's important. But yeah, so you and your siblings were
(04:19):
able to see him, and he came closer, wondering why,
you know, what's the gift? What do they have? And
he looks back unfortunately, And that's usually the number one
tell about why he and shadow people will come after
a person, not that they're conjuring something, but that they
are evolving, because mankind is evolving, and these beings are
(04:42):
trying to stop that evolution.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And what you were sort of saying before, if I'm
putting the pieces together, because this is the first night
that I'm really hearing about this hat man or the boogeyman.
Hat man in your case, wants to be seen. Shadow
people do not want to be seen. And it also
sounds like do kids see him more than adults.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
It seems to be the pattern. Yes, that is well,
it's I think it's also has to do with they're
a little bit more innocent and closer to their origins.
You know, kids have memories from a past life or
just getting here. I think that they're more in touch
with their true selves that we don't. They don't put
(05:25):
filters on things, and they just take it for what
it is. So it seems kind of innocent. And boy
does he love to get on children. It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's terrible.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I call it condition pretty much like conditioning, like somebody
would do that's trying to abuse children. It's a conditioning
that he does get comfortable with me. I have no threat,
I'm waving to you, come on in and his I
don't think it's a coincidence that his teeth when he
smiles is very much like Pennywise from the movie It
Stephen King's and what did he do? He would, you know,
(05:59):
look cutesy and wave you in, but then devour children.
You know, it's horrible.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It also sounds a little like Freddy Krueger in the
being able to show up in your nightmares very much so.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I did hear that this was one of the reasons
why that movie was made, because this is not a
new phenomenon, but it's wild to be the one to
pull it all together. I had no idea, again, no
idea others were experiencing this, not until I came on
this show while in college. George gave me a chance.
Did I get thousands, probably over ten thousand emails the
(06:34):
first night that I came on the air. And it's
never stopped, never stopped.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is this worldwide phenomenon? This just isn't like an.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
East coasting right absolutely?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is there parts of America that seemed to have more
shadow action than other parts.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I was told by the alien interdimensional being that it
would come to a level that it is now where
it wasn't just a possibility, it's a threat that these
things show up. And there were certain signs they told
me to pay attention to, and I look around and
I'm like, we're here, we're here, And the revelation of
(07:15):
what they're trying to do, how they're trying to stop
things moving forward for mankind and trap them shadow people
hat Man, they trap souls in haunted locations. You'll hear
he's coming or here he comes or something like that.
They're usually talking about hat Man.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So even the ghosts are kind of on the on
the lookout for that, like they're they're afraid of that too,
the ghost Didn't you go on a couple of ghost
adventures shows? You've been on a few of those, right.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I did not do Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I haven't read that wrong.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Oh that's okay. I've done some other shows, but yeah, no,
not not ghost Adventures. But it's it's wild to me.
It took me so many to convince ghost hunters that
shadow people were real. They're like, you're just seeing the
shadows of ghosts. I'm like, then you haven't met one,
but you will. It'll get to that level. And now
that's like the number one thing on everybody's lips that
(08:13):
shadow people have. Man, Like, oh my gosh, it's everywhere,
and the signs, the signs of what this all means.
It's coming full circle, and people are like end Times,
you know, they're almost excited about it. I'm not excited
about the end times because we're going to lose too
many people. If this is the end times, I say,
a time of change. I do know that there's a
(08:36):
vibrational thing that's supposed to be happening. There's a fluctuation
and where our bodies won't hold together as they once
did and will shift over during the time that the
earth is going to heal and again. This is all
stuff that was told to me by this being that
educated myself and my college dreammate on what the shadow
(08:58):
people are.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That was the major. Like if you were taking a
masterclass on the macabre, what would the being that appeared
to you and your roommate. Are you still in touch
with your roommate by the way.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
No, No, she could not. She could not handle being associated.
She felt like she did her part and she couldn't
handle associating with this and having a professional career in
what she's doing, so which I respected. You know it
sure what it is, and she's never looked back. That
(09:31):
really surprised me though, because it wasn't all scary, of course,
really eye opening, beautiful, angelic things happened, beings that just
lit up a room, just unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, what was what was happening then? When this happened,
When this appearance, you know, showed itself to you in
your roommate. Where what was happening for you two at
the time.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, I was an art major. She was an art major,
went to two different colleges. She was kind of pecostal,
super religious. I was not. I had seen too many
odd things. I'd stepped away from that. I believed in God,
believe Jesus was real, but I just wasn't into that
because I was seeing an experience of so many things
that were right in my face. Then one day, I mean,
(10:16):
she's like, don't talk about this weird stuff and our
shared apartment. She thought everything was demonic, and I was.
I had had major UFO sightings where the UFO the
craft answered me, responded, showed up when I asked for
it in front of others, you know, just wild stuff,
and I'm like, why am I able to communicate with
(10:37):
these things? And so I was going to a UFO
group that wasn't my own at the time, and trying
to understand the stuff. And one day, in broad daylight,
she went riding riding driving to her school and she
called me in a panic, like just flipping out. I
didn't know what was going on. And when I got
her to calm down, she's telling me something jumped on
(10:58):
the hood of her car and shoved its head through
the windshield and started talking to her. And I'm like,
come on, what you know what is going on here?
You know? Love story short. We meet up later and
we're sitting in my car and I'm like, so tell me,
you know what happens. She's like, this sparkly sea through
being took its head and shoved it through her windshield
(11:21):
and started like corresponding with her. And I'm like, how
did you not have an accident? She's like it had
a real calming effect to it. I'm like, I've never
heard of a creature like this before. I didn't know
what was going on. And she's like, hey, do you
know when you go to a dentist and your mouth
goes numb? And I'm like yeah. She's like I automatically
like wanted to communicate with this thing, and it told me,
(11:41):
it is no mistake that you're studying in college about
the Native Americans dancing into exhaustion so they could reach
out to their star people family. We wanted you to
learn that. And she's like, who are you? And it said,
I'm here to introduce what's to come. And she's like,
but Heidi, my mouth went numb, and it answered me
(12:03):
using my own mouth, and I'm like, what, Ah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Are you interested in people that have also had shadow
people in hat Man experiences? We got one right here.
Let's go to John driving his truck in Ohio. Let's
keep those hands at ten o'clock and two o'clock while
you're talking to us on the Wildcard line. Welcome to
Coast to Coast AM. You're on with Heidi.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Oh yeah, I always do. I'm safe out here. I've
got the situation that we had, and I don't understand
why he came to us, but we were playing hide
and seek, and I was probably at nine, and my
brother and sister twin seven. But anyhow, we got done
with it and we came in the house and I
kind of noticed as we were playing, there was it
(00:43):
looked like a person in a field watching everybody, all
those kids. But you know, and then you look and
you're like, okay, just don't know if it's the twilight
plane on you. So we go into our house and
our house is like maybe twenty feet from the sidewalk,
and we are upstairs. The window shade has kind of happened.
I looked down and there is this guy all dark,
(01:08):
he didn't have a cake, he had a coat on,
he had a cane in his hand, and he was
motioning and no red eyes or nothing, but he was
motioning for us to come down. So I said, hey,
there's there's something down here. My kids are my brothers
and sisters like, oh, you're just trying to scare us. Well,
they saw it and screamed, and I think my sister
(01:29):
said something like, oh Jesus, don't let him get us
or something. Anyhow, at that point, my dad comes home
and he's driving down the street in the station wagon
and this we thought. We didn't call him channel man
at that point. We called booking man, you know, the
booking man. So he walks across the street and my
dad's car goes right through him.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yea, he disappears.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Well, we tell our dad this, and he said, you
guys are full of craft your imagination. I didn't see
anything like that, and I never had any experience again.
And I asked my brother and sister the same thing,
and they said no. But when I had time to
lightness and I was, it went into strep throat and
I was like at one hundred, two hundred and three, temperature,
(02:11):
and I swear to God, I was upstairs in my
room and I would hear voices and just couldn't make
out what they were saying, but just in a low whisper.
And then when I would open my eyes, I would
see like just black shadows running across the room. And
I don't know if it was because I was hilarious
or because when you get in that area your sense
(02:33):
is in it. You're in a different state, maybe you're
in a different frequency. I don't know. But that's the
only time we ever experienced it. And we asked each other,
because I've listened to you before, was he trying to
get our souls as kids, because we never had an
experience with him.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Again, Unfortunately, he loves children. He loves to make an
impression and he like puts a little marker on them
that wow, they can see me. And those that are
able to see him are usually dubbed to be gifted
in a sense, and.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Is it unusual that all the kids in a family
would be able to spread that?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Okay, it does to be gifted, so it's not surprising.
Same with alien abduction. There goes another link that the
White Shadow people and hat Man are connected to the
alien agenda, the negative alien beings, I should clarify. But yeah,
so it's not surprising to me that when you had
a high temp and you could when we're weak, when
(03:35):
we're sick, when we're depressed, when we're near death, he
loves to show up because he's hoping to get a
hold on you and to take you, or to reach you,
to get in between you and your future, you and
your soul. He'll do anything. It's it's really a disgusting practice.
(03:56):
And you know a lot of people think I talked
to upbeat about this stuff. It's like, look, one thing
that the evil hates is humor, and they hate positivity
and they hate laughter. So having a positive outlook in
regards to anything dark really helps to repel them. So
it's important. But yeah, so you and your siblings were
(04:19):
able to see him, and he came closer, wondering why,
you know, what's the gift? What do they have? And
he looks back unfortunately, And that's usually the number one
tell about why he and shadow people will come after
a person, not that they're conjuring something, but that they
are evolving, because mankind is evolving, and these beings are
(04:42):
trying to stop that evolution.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And what you were sort of saying before, if I'm
putting the pieces together, because this is the first night
that I'm really hearing about this hat man or the boogeyman.
Hat man in your case, wants to be seen. Shadow
people do not want to be seen. And it also
sounds like do kids see him more than adults.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
It seems to be the pattern. Yes, that is well,
it's I think it's also has to do with they're
a little bit more innocent and closer to their origins.
You know, kids have memories from a past life or
just getting here. I think that they're more in touch
with their true selves that we don't. They don't put
(05:25):
filters on things, and they just take it for what
it is. So it seems kind of innocent. And boy
does he love to get on children. It's terrible.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's terrible.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I call it condition pretty much like conditioning, like somebody
would do that's trying to abuse children. It's a conditioning
that he does get comfortable with me. I have no threat,
I'm waving to you, come on in and his I
don't think it's a coincidence that his teeth when he
smiles is very much like Pennywise from the movie It
Stephen King's and what did he do? He would, you know,
(05:59):
look cutesy and wave you in, but then devour children.
You know, it's horrible.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It also sounds a little like Freddy Krueger in the
being able to show up in your nightmares very much so.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I did hear that this was one of the reasons
why that movie was made, because this is not a
new phenomenon, but it's wild to be the one to
pull it all together. I had no idea, again, no
idea others were experiencing this, not until I came on
this show while in college. George gave me a chance.
Did I get thousands, probably over ten thousand emails the
(06:34):
first night that I came on the air. And it's
never stopped, never stopped.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is this worldwide phenomenon? This just isn't like an.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
East coasting right absolutely?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is there parts of America that seemed to have more
shadow action than other parts.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I was told by the alien interdimensional being that it
would come to a level that it is now where
it wasn't just a possibility, it's a threat that these
things show up. And there were certain signs they told
me to pay attention to, and I look around and
I'm like, we're here, we're here, And the revelation of
(07:15):
what they're trying to do, how they're trying to stop
things moving forward for mankind and trap them shadow people
hat Man, they trap souls in haunted locations. You'll hear
he's coming or here he comes or something like that.
They're usually talking about hat Man.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So even the ghosts are kind of on the on
the lookout for that, like they're they're afraid of that too,
the ghost Didn't you go on a couple of ghost
adventures shows? You've been on a few of those, right.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I did not do Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I haven't read that wrong.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Oh that's okay. I've done some other shows, but yeah, no,
not not ghost Adventures. But it's it's wild to me.
It took me so many to convince ghost hunters that
shadow people were real. They're like, you're just seeing the
shadows of ghosts. I'm like, then you haven't met one,
but you will. It'll get to that level. And now
that's like the number one thing on everybody's lips that
(08:13):
shadow people have. Man, Like, oh my gosh, it's everywhere,
and the signs, the signs of what this all means.
It's coming full circle, and people are like end Times,
you know, they're almost excited about it. I'm not excited
about the end times because we're going to lose too
many people. If this is the end times, I say,
a time of change. I do know that there's a
(08:36):
vibrational thing that's supposed to be happening. There's a fluctuation
and where our bodies won't hold together as they once
did and will shift over during the time that the
earth is going to heal and again. This is all
stuff that was told to me by this being that
educated myself and my college dreammate on what the shadow
(08:58):
people are.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That was the major. Like if you were taking a
masterclass on the macabre, what would the being that appeared
to you and your roommate. Are you still in touch
with your roommate by the way.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
No, No, she could not. She could not handle being associated.
She felt like she did her part and she couldn't
handle associating with this and having a professional career in
what she's doing, so which I respected. You know it
sure what it is, and she's never looked back. That
(09:31):
really surprised me though, because it wasn't all scary, of course,
really eye opening, beautiful, angelic things happened, beings that just
lit up a room, just unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, what was what was happening then? When this happened,
When this appearance, you know, showed itself to you in
your roommate. Where what was happening for you two at
the time.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, I was an art major. She was an art major,
went to two different colleges. She was kind of pecostal,
super religious. I was not. I had seen too many
odd things. I'd stepped away from that. I believed in God,
believe Jesus was real, but I just wasn't into that
because I was seeing an experience of so many things
that were right in my face. Then one day, I mean,
(10:16):
she's like, don't talk about this weird stuff and our
shared apartment. She thought everything was demonic, and I was.
I had had major UFO sightings where the UFO the
craft answered me, responded, showed up when I asked for
it in front of others, you know, just wild stuff,
and I'm like, why am I able to communicate with
(10:37):
these things? And so I was going to a UFO
group that wasn't my own at the time, and trying
to understand the stuff. And one day, in broad daylight,
she went riding riding driving to her school and she
called me in a panic, like just flipping out. I
didn't know what was going on. And when I got
her to calm down, she's telling me something jumped on
(10:58):
the hood of her car and shoved its head through
the windshield and started talking to her. And I'm like,
come on, what you know what is going on here?
You know? Love story short. We meet up later and
we're sitting in my car and I'm like, so tell me,
you know what happens. She's like, this sparkly sea through
being took its head and shoved it through her windshield
(11:21):
and started like corresponding with her. And I'm like, how
did you not have an accident? She's like it had
a real calming effect to it. I'm like, I've never
heard of a creature like this before. I didn't know
what was going on. And she's like, hey, do you
know when you go to a dentist and your mouth
goes numb? And I'm like yeah. She's like I automatically
like wanted to communicate with this thing, and it told me,
(11:41):
it is no mistake that you're studying in college about
the Native Americans dancing into exhaustion so they could reach
out to their star people family. We wanted you to
learn that. And she's like, who are you? And it said,
I'm here to introduce what's to come. And she's like,
but Heidi, my mouth went numb, and it answered me
(12:03):
using my own mouth, and I'm like, what, Ah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
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