April 15, 2025 • 16 mins
George Noory and retired FBI agent Scott Payne discuss his career in law enforcement, his work going undercover to infiltrate a Neo-Nazi terrorist organization, and if there are more groups still active in the United States today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with you,
Scott Pain with a Scott. You wrote a book called
Code Name Pale Horse that came out this year. How
you infiltrated a neo Nazi group? Tell us what happened?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Uh So.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
The title of the book that I will say this,
the subtitle I wasn't one hundred percent sold on, but
the big wigs that Simon and Schuster said this is
the one to go with because to me, if you
read it, it makes it sound like the only undercover
that you're going to read about.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Is a neo Nazi group.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
But there's multiple there's all kinds of cases that I've worked.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
But the particular story.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
The neo Nazi group that that I say, I but
we it takes a village. It was the FBI infiltrated.
They they're not it's a newer thing. Even law enforcement,
a lot of lawenforcement doesn't know this belief system.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Is out there.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
They're called accelerationists and they it's not your typical If
you think of a neo Nazi, you think like people
staying in the street like you're Charlottesville waving signs.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's not what it is.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Their belief system is this. They don't believe that there's
a political solution to save the white race, and they
believe that society is going to collapse either on its
own or for man made events, and they want to
speed that up. So these type of belief systems, you're
not going to see them on the corner with the
picket signs screaming. They want to do more guerrilla warfare
(01:39):
tactics where this picture, a power grid goes down, a
train gets derailed, a water system gets poisoned, a lefty
journalist gets killed, anti fascist people get killed, non white's
get killed. And much like most extremist belief systems, whether
it's far right, far left, radical jihatis, it doesn't matter
(02:01):
that it ends with an ethno state.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And that's what we found.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And we were seeing all kinds of stuff online that
was crazy, and we were getting some very good reporting
from overseas as well. But most people know this in
the United States. But you have a First Amendment freedom
of speech. You can say all kinds of radical, crazy,
hateful stuff as long as you're not doing anything to
further that, and we got in there because of everything
(02:29):
the attention they were drawing. And once we got in
there and I gained the trust of several individuals, we
uncovered numerous murder plots takeover things.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There was going to be a Second.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Amendment gun rally in Virginia in twenty twenty January of
twenty twenty. The idea for several people in the group
was to fire off a couple of shots so cops
start shooting militia people and vice versa, and they consider.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
They used to call D Day their boogloo.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
They called it the boogaloo, and it was really wild
because you find these young a lot of younger guys
that are outcasts, most likely been bullied, don't have a partner,
and I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Like twenty one year old, twenty three, twenty.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Four year olds, don't have a car, don't have a job,
but they have an arsenal in their closet because they're
preparing for a boogloo.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And that's what we found.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And fortunately we found out murder plots and all these things.
We gathered the evidence that was need to be gathered,
and we arrested everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, what was their motives, Scott, What did they want
to do? Pull down the country?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yes, and it doesn't go like the some of the
groups I've infiltraded. It's like we're gonna turn the entire
United States white. Well they didn't say that, but I
think it should be noted that this group was called
the Base, and it's not just a coincidence that al
Qaeda in English is the Base, So the Base in
(04:03):
Arabic is al Qaeda. And al Qatta's mo was multiple.
I got a redneck accent, so I'll spell it cell
when I say sale. Some people think I'm talking about
purchasing something or selling something, but they had they wanted
three to five man cells all over the world waiting
for that call.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That's the same thing al Qatta was doing.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So I ended up getting in and I made it
into my Celle was in North Georgia. It was the
closest to where I was, where I said I was from,
and yeah, it's it might not be the entire United States,
but like my cell and the Virginia and Maryland sales
were looking at property in the Appalachian Mountains to buy
(04:45):
up and make that our own little compound. Ethno state
we had other members of the group that had the
Upper Peninsula of Michigan and they were already looking at stuff.
We had other members that had property in the Pacific Northwest,
that kind of thing. I won't say there's a lot
of forethought or afterthought, because even while I was on
the inside, I mean, I got a stupid sense of humor.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
But I'd be like, so, what about the National Guard.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I won't worry about that. What about the cops? Well,
how about the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and
the Marines. I mean, at some point do we think
we're going to stand up to all that? But at
the end of the day, they wanted that Hitler regime
where everything's white and everything is really socialists.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
They get everything for free.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Is this happening all around the country or is it
just in that area you busted.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
No, we had members all over the world. You have
to realize now, I've seen the articles and one of
them was one that was done on me. But they
talked to academia and they're like, there's millions of neo
Nazis out there. I'm not gonna say there's millions, but
you have to understand in today's age on the phone,
and you've got a smartphone or a tablet. There are
(06:02):
applications out there that say they're encrypted, so it could
be four chan, eight chan, twelve chan, discord, threem, a
riot wire, Telegram, gab, you name it, and there's probably
even more out there.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I don't have my thumb on the pulse anymore because
I retired, and as I say kind of jokingly, since
I retired, I made a conscious decision not to hang
out with the white supremacist anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So they go into these things.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And I'm not saying that everybody in those apps are
up to nefarious activity. That would be not right to say,
but a lot of these people go to those apps
because they think that because it's encrypted and it's overseas,
that the United States government or law enforcement can't subpoena
those records.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
How are they funded?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Scotti the group I was in, it's still up for grabs.
As I said, some of these young guys, it was
like where you I mean, they might have did some
work for their dad or their mom. Maybe their parents
give them money. But I will say this, the leader
of the base, and you take it for what it's worth.
(07:14):
His name is Ronaldo Nasarro. He is an American citizen
born in America. Villanova Grad Army former Army Intel had
a contract job in the.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Department of Justice.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I don't know what it was, but by the time
we infiltrated the group, we being me and the FBI,
he resided in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and he has a
Russian family, and I'm I'm willing to bet he's on
a no fly list to come back in the United States.
So you take it for what it's worth. Does that
(07:47):
mean it's Russia funding propaganda stuff? I don't know, but
I do know that through my dealings of being a
case agent, being an undercover court, being an undercover in
the domestic terrorism realm towards the end of my career,
there's definitely influence from our threat countries pumping into the
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United States just to create chaos.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Why doesn't most of the American media portray this?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Your guess is as good as mine. I don't know.
Maybe it doesn't sell. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I mean, we can go down in some deep rabbit
holes of whether it's conspiracy, whether they know and they're.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Trying to further that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But me, I'll look at it like even back in
the Let's say I was a cop.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I became a cop of ninety three, and I.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Remember early nineties, mid nineties, like I'm in Greenville, South Carolina,
and I go out on a call and this kid
says he's a crip and this, and.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I'm looking at him like a crip. This is Greenvile,
South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
You need to go back to la Well, I was
an idiot and that happened all over the place. They're like, oh,
there's no gangs here. Well guess what he got. Moved
to South Carolina because his parents were trying to get
him out of a bad situation. But he gets to
South Carolina and he creates the same thing, was a
part of next thing. You know, We've got crips and
bloods all over South Carolina. So I don't want to
(09:13):
say we turned the blind eye to it, but we
were naive.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You were there trying to save a goat too, weren't you.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Oh boy, yes, that's uh so.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The best way for me explaining is this.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
White supremacy, that white nationalism, neo Nazis. There is a
belief system called Christian identity, not to be confused with
being a christ follower, not to be confused with Christianity.
What they do is they take the Bible and the
story of the Garden of Eden and they twist the
living you know what out of it to fit their ideology.
So the base was doing that with paganism. I've got
(09:55):
great friends of mine that are Pagans. They're in the
pagan belief system whatever, and they are good people and
they are peaceful people.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But much like the extremistism.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So if you look at like Norse mythology, the goat
Night was a Halloween of twenty nineteen, I'd already done
several blots b lot for the listeners that don't know
that is a ritual ceremony in Paganism, and this one
(10:29):
in particular was being done by one of the members,
and he just twisted it. There's something called the wild Hunt,
and essentially, if you look at Norse mythology, it's Odin
and other gods going out and just whipping the you
know what out of their enemies. But the way the
group I infiltrated twisted it was they stole a goat ram.
(10:55):
It's whatever. I've talked to people who owned rams and goats.
I don't know, it's either a big goat with horns
or it's a little ram. I don't know, but it
was a go to a ram. They stole it, brought
it to the property we were at, which was one
hundred acre farm in North Georgia, and we were having
basically what people call a hate camp. There was probably
(11:15):
like thirteen or thirteen of us from all over the country.
They steal this goat and we go down to the
holy Spot, the ceremonial spot, and we have a sacrifice.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Now, the sacrifice was supposed.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
To symbolize sacrificing the goat to go to Odin to Valhalla,
and it was going to kick off the wild Hunt.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
But in the.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Twisted version of the extremists, the wild Hunt was going
to be us starting the racial holy War and cleansing
the world of non whites and non or Antifashi type people.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And yeah, they kidnapped the goat.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
They stole it. I'm not kidnapped, they stole it. I
remember being at training that day because we did training.
This isn't just people walking around yelling hateful stuff. These
guys were training machine guns, firearms, and tactics, hand to
hand combat. Living off the land, building, bunkers, all that
stuff to prepare, like I said, for this boogloo. So
(12:25):
we had already done training that day and I fell asleep.
I went to charge my phone in the truck. It
was very, very cold, so once that heater hit me,
I kind of dozed off for a minute. I woke
to the sound of somebody pounding, one of the other
members pounding on my window. My code name and that
my nickname or moniker in the group was pale Horse.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Hence the name of the book.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, because really every undercover title you can think of
has already been taken.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
If you start trying to write something, but.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
There it's like pale Horse, Pale Horse, gott to get up.
You got to see this. And I go out there
and they've got this goat. And the guy leading the
blot actually named the goat gar short for Garfield because
his middle name was Garfield and his grandfather's name was Garfield.
And I remember looking at him George, and I said,
I said, hey, and nobody else is around. It's just
me and Eisen. The guy that's going to be leading
(13:14):
the blot. It's not his real name, that's what he
went by. And I'm like, Hey, is it bad that
I feel I said, is it bad that I feel sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
For the goat? And he said, you can't let the
goat here? You say that, And I'm thinking, what are
you talking about?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And he's like, well, this goat needs to be known,
it's loved, it's going to Valhalla and all this stuff.
And I just remember thinking, in my sixth sense of humor,
I'm not sure that's what the goat's thinking right now.
So I tried to think in my head, is there
something I can do to stop this? I mean, there is,
but I'm deep undercover. I'm in this case. Everybody's got guns,
(13:48):
we're in the middle of nowhere is And I remember
reaching out to the case team because they're monitoring me,
and I said, hey, something to the effect of, I
can't think of a reason to shut this down federally,
but if you don't want me to do this or
go you don't want this to happen, send me something,
let me know and I'll shut it down. We'll just say, hey,
(14:10):
we'll pull Chock's say at the end of the case.
And I got nothing. So my last words into my
my monitoring device was well, I guess I'm headed down
here for this this sacrifice. So we go down there
to the middle of the woods, in the middle of
nowhere one hundred acres, and Eisen leads the blot, says
a bunch of things to start the wild hunt. And
(14:32):
when he goes to kill the goat, he has a
machete and he goes to hit it, and it didn't
kill the goat.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I don't even know if it broke a hair.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I don't know if the blade was I don't know
if the blade was dull or it was just a
backstrap was so thick. But to speed it up and
not to be too gross, somebody had a pistol.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They took the pistol. I will say this.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Before Eisen was getting ready to shoot the goat in
the head, we're all in a circle on our knees
around the goat. I don't know how I ended up
at the back of the goat, but that's where I'm
at holding the goat, and Easen points the gun towards
the goat and turns his head the opposite way. And
that's when the instructor in me comes out and I'm like,
whoa time of day, what are you doing? And he's
like what I said, look at what you're shooting at.
(15:18):
We're all in a circle. You're gonna shoot us? What
are you doing? And uh, And he killed the goat
and then they did a sacrifice ceremony, sliced his throat,
filled a cup with blood. We all drank the blood
as part of the sacrifice. A lot of them did
acid and and cut the head of the goat off
(15:39):
and carried it around for three or four days taking.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Pictures and and uh.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
It's pretty disturbing, pretty pretty sad, pretty disturbing. I will
say that once we did arrest everybody federally and came
down with that, we did circle back law enforcement circle
back and arrested and charged a lot of people with
the animal cruelty when rightfully so.
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with you,
Scott Pain with a Scott. You wrote a book called
Code Name Pale Horse that came out this year. How
you infiltrated a neo Nazi group? Tell us what happened?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Uh So.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
The title of the book that I will say this,
the subtitle I wasn't one hundred percent sold on, but
the big wigs that Simon and Schuster said this is
the one to go with because to me, if you
read it, it makes it sound like the only undercover
that you're going to read about.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Is a neo Nazi group.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
But there's multiple there's all kinds of cases that I've worked.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
But the particular story.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
The neo Nazi group that that I say, I but
we it takes a village. It was the FBI infiltrated.
They they're not it's a newer thing. Even law enforcement,
a lot of lawenforcement doesn't know this belief system.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Is out there.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
They're called accelerationists and they it's not your typical If
you think of a neo Nazi, you think like people
staying in the street like you're Charlottesville waving signs.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's not what it is.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Their belief system is this. They don't believe that there's
a political solution to save the white race, and they
believe that society is going to collapse either on its
own or for man made events, and they want to
speed that up. So these type of belief systems, you're
not going to see them on the corner with the
picket signs screaming. They want to do more guerrilla warfare
(01:39):
tactics where this picture, a power grid goes down, a
train gets derailed, a water system gets poisoned, a lefty
journalist gets killed, anti fascist people get killed, non white's
get killed. And much like most extremist belief systems, whether
it's far right, far left, radical jihatis, it doesn't matter
(02:01):
that it ends with an ethno state.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And that's what we found.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And we were seeing all kinds of stuff online that
was crazy, and we were getting some very good reporting
from overseas as well. But most people know this in
the United States. But you have a First Amendment freedom
of speech. You can say all kinds of radical, crazy,
hateful stuff as long as you're not doing anything to
further that, and we got in there because of everything
(02:29):
the attention they were drawing. And once we got in
there and I gained the trust of several individuals, we
uncovered numerous murder plots takeover things.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There was going to be a Second.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Amendment gun rally in Virginia in twenty twenty January of
twenty twenty. The idea for several people in the group
was to fire off a couple of shots so cops
start shooting militia people and vice versa, and they consider.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
They used to call D Day their boogloo.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
They called it the boogaloo, and it was really wild
because you find these young a lot of younger guys
that are outcasts, most likely been bullied, don't have a partner,
and I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Like twenty one year old, twenty three, twenty.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Four year olds, don't have a car, don't have a job,
but they have an arsenal in their closet because they're
preparing for a boogloo.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And that's what we found.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And fortunately we found out murder plots and all these things.
We gathered the evidence that was need to be gathered,
and we arrested everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, what was their motives, Scott, What did they want
to do? Pull down the country?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yes, and it doesn't go like the some of the
groups I've infiltraded. It's like we're gonna turn the entire
United States white. Well they didn't say that, but I
think it should be noted that this group was called
the Base, and it's not just a coincidence that al
Qaeda in English is the Base, So the Base in
(04:03):
Arabic is al Qaeda. And al Qatta's mo was multiple.
I got a redneck accent, so I'll spell it cell
when I say sale. Some people think I'm talking about
purchasing something or selling something, but they had they wanted
three to five man cells all over the world waiting
for that call.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That's the same thing al Qatta was doing.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So I ended up getting in and I made it
into my Celle was in North Georgia. It was the
closest to where I was, where I said I was from,
and yeah, it's it might not be the entire United States,
but like my cell and the Virginia and Maryland sales
were looking at property in the Appalachian Mountains to buy
(04:45):
up and make that our own little compound. Ethno state
we had other members of the group that had the
Upper Peninsula of Michigan and they were already looking at stuff.
We had other members that had property in the Pacific Northwest,
that kind of thing. I won't say there's a lot
of forethought or afterthought, because even while I was on
the inside, I mean, I got a stupid sense of humor.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
But I'd be like, so, what about the National Guard.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I won't worry about that. What about the cops? Well,
how about the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and
the Marines. I mean, at some point do we think
we're going to stand up to all that? But at
the end of the day, they wanted that Hitler regime
where everything's white and everything is really socialists.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
They get everything for free.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Is this happening all around the country or is it
just in that area you busted.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
No, we had members all over the world. You have
to realize now, I've seen the articles and one of
them was one that was done on me. But they
talked to academia and they're like, there's millions of neo
Nazis out there. I'm not gonna say there's millions, but
you have to understand in today's age on the phone,
and you've got a smartphone or a tablet. There are
(06:02):
applications out there that say they're encrypted, so it could
be four chan, eight chan, twelve chan, discord, threem, a
riot wire, Telegram, gab, you name it, and there's probably
even more out there.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I don't have my thumb on the pulse anymore because
I retired, and as I say kind of jokingly, since
I retired, I made a conscious decision not to hang
out with the white supremacist anymore.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So they go into these things.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And I'm not saying that everybody in those apps are
up to nefarious activity. That would be not right to say,
but a lot of these people go to those apps
because they think that because it's encrypted and it's overseas,
that the United States government or law enforcement can't subpoena
those records.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
How are they funded?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Scotti the group I was in, it's still up for grabs.
As I said, some of these young guys, it was
like where you I mean, they might have did some
work for their dad or their mom. Maybe their parents
give them money. But I will say this, the leader
of the base, and you take it for what it's worth.
(07:14):
His name is Ronaldo Nasarro. He is an American citizen
born in America. Villanova Grad Army former Army Intel had
a contract job in the.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Department of Justice.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I don't know what it was, but by the time
we infiltrated the group, we being me and the FBI,
he resided in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and he has a
Russian family, and I'm I'm willing to bet he's on
a no fly list to come back in the United States.
So you take it for what it's worth. Does that
(07:47):
mean it's Russia funding propaganda stuff? I don't know, but
I do know that through my dealings of being a
case agent, being an undercover court, being an undercover in
the domestic terrorism realm towards the end of my career,
there's definitely influence from our threat countries pumping into the
(08:08):
United States just to create chaos.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Why doesn't most of the American media portray this?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Your guess is as good as mine. I don't know.
Maybe it doesn't sell. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I mean, we can go down in some deep rabbit
holes of whether it's conspiracy, whether they know and they're.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Trying to further that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
But me, I'll look at it like even back in
the Let's say I was a cop.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I became a cop of ninety three, and I.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Remember early nineties, mid nineties, like I'm in Greenville, South Carolina,
and I go out on a call and this kid
says he's a crip and this, and.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I'm looking at him like a crip. This is Greenvile,
South Carolina.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
You need to go back to la Well, I was
an idiot and that happened all over the place. They're like, oh,
there's no gangs here. Well guess what he got. Moved
to South Carolina because his parents were trying to get
him out of a bad situation. But he gets to
South Carolina and he creates the same thing, was a
part of next thing. You know, We've got crips and
bloods all over South Carolina. So I don't want to
(09:13):
say we turned the blind eye to it, but we
were naive.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You were there trying to save a goat too, weren't you.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Oh boy, yes, that's uh so.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The best way for me explaining is this.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
White supremacy, that white nationalism, neo Nazis. There is a
belief system called Christian identity, not to be confused with
being a christ follower, not to be confused with Christianity.
What they do is they take the Bible and the
story of the Garden of Eden and they twist the
living you know what out of it to fit their ideology.
So the base was doing that with paganism. I've got
(09:55):
great friends of mine that are Pagans. They're in the
pagan belief system whatever, and they are good people and
they are peaceful people.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But much like the extremistism.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So if you look at like Norse mythology, the goat
Night was a Halloween of twenty nineteen, I'd already done
several blots b lot for the listeners that don't know
that is a ritual ceremony in Paganism, and this one
(10:29):
in particular was being done by one of the members,
and he just twisted it. There's something called the wild Hunt,
and essentially, if you look at Norse mythology, it's Odin
and other gods going out and just whipping the you
know what out of their enemies. But the way the
group I infiltrated twisted it was they stole a goat ram.
(10:55):
It's whatever. I've talked to people who owned rams and goats.
I don't know, it's either a big goat with horns
or it's a little ram. I don't know, but it
was a go to a ram. They stole it, brought
it to the property we were at, which was one
hundred acre farm in North Georgia, and we were having
basically what people call a hate camp. There was probably
(11:15):
like thirteen or thirteen of us from all over the country.
They steal this goat and we go down to the
holy Spot, the ceremonial spot, and we have a sacrifice.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Now, the sacrifice was supposed.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
To symbolize sacrificing the goat to go to Odin to Valhalla,
and it was going to kick off the wild Hunt.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
But in the.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Twisted version of the extremists, the wild Hunt was going
to be us starting the racial holy War and cleansing
the world of non whites and non or Antifashi type people.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
And yeah, they kidnapped the goat.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
They stole it. I'm not kidnapped, they stole it. I
remember being at training that day because we did training.
This isn't just people walking around yelling hateful stuff. These
guys were training machine guns, firearms, and tactics, hand to
hand combat. Living off the land, building, bunkers, all that
stuff to prepare, like I said, for this boogloo. So
(12:25):
we had already done training that day and I fell asleep.
I went to charge my phone in the truck. It
was very, very cold, so once that heater hit me,
I kind of dozed off for a minute. I woke
to the sound of somebody pounding, one of the other
members pounding on my window. My code name and that
my nickname or moniker in the group was pale Horse.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Hence the name of the book.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, because really every undercover title you can think of
has already been taken.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
If you start trying to write something, but.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
There it's like pale Horse, Pale Horse, gott to get up.
You got to see this. And I go out there
and they've got this goat. And the guy leading the
blot actually named the goat gar short for Garfield because
his middle name was Garfield and his grandfather's name was Garfield.
And I remember looking at him George, and I said,
I said, hey, and nobody else is around. It's just
me and Eisen. The guy that's going to be leading
(13:14):
the blot. It's not his real name, that's what he
went by. And I'm like, Hey, is it bad that
I feel I said, is it bad that I feel sorry.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
For the goat? And he said, you can't let the
goat here? You say that, And I'm thinking, what are
you talking about?
Speaker 4 (13:26):
And he's like, well, this goat needs to be known,
it's loved, it's going to Valhalla and all this stuff.
And I just remember thinking, in my sixth sense of humor,
I'm not sure that's what the goat's thinking right now.
So I tried to think in my head, is there
something I can do to stop this? I mean, there is,
but I'm deep undercover. I'm in this case. Everybody's got guns,
(13:48):
we're in the middle of nowhere is And I remember
reaching out to the case team because they're monitoring me,
and I said, hey, something to the effect of, I
can't think of a reason to shut this down federally,
but if you don't want me to do this or
go you don't want this to happen, send me something,
let me know and I'll shut it down. We'll just say, hey,
(14:10):
we'll pull Chock's say at the end of the case.
And I got nothing. So my last words into my
my monitoring device was well, I guess I'm headed down
here for this this sacrifice. So we go down there
to the middle of the woods, in the middle of
nowhere one hundred acres, and Eisen leads the blot, says
a bunch of things to start the wild hunt. And
(14:32):
when he goes to kill the goat, he has a
machete and he goes to hit it, and it didn't
kill the goat.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I don't even know if it broke a hair.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I don't know if the blade was I don't know
if the blade was dull or it was just a
backstrap was so thick. But to speed it up and
not to be too gross, somebody had a pistol.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They took the pistol. I will say this.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Before Eisen was getting ready to shoot the goat in
the head, we're all in a circle on our knees
around the goat. I don't know how I ended up
at the back of the goat, but that's where I'm
at holding the goat, and Easen points the gun towards
the goat and turns his head the opposite way. And
that's when the instructor in me comes out and I'm like,
whoa time of day, what are you doing? And he's
like what I said, look at what you're shooting at.
(15:18):
We're all in a circle. You're gonna shoot us? What
are you doing? And uh, And he killed the goat
and then they did a sacrifice ceremony, sliced his throat,
filled a cup with blood. We all drank the blood
as part of the sacrifice. A lot of them did
acid and and cut the head of the goat off
(15:39):
and carried it around for three or four days taking.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Pictures and and uh.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
It's pretty disturbing, pretty pretty sad, pretty disturbing. I will
say that once we did arrest everybody federally and came
down with that, we did circle back law enforcement circle
back and arrested and charged a lot of people with
the animal cruelty when rightfully so.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
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