December 19, 2024 • 52 mins
Jenn Tran has danced her way into the O.R. and we have a LOT to talk about!! She reveals why she calls her Dancing with the Stars partner Sasha “babe” and “honey”, and we find out if she’s REALLY sleeping on the couch!
Jenn opens up about the pressure to be public about her romantic life, and we hear what was going through her mind during those dramatic moments on After the Final Rose!
You might know that Jenn is a major Swiftie, so we have to find out which of Taylor’s songs relate to her life the most right now.
Plus, Jenn shares the story of how she ended up on DWTS after being told she was NOT going to be on the show!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Scrub Dub dub Dub dub dub.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh you're really trying to find the Christmas tune there,
weren't you.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I was trying to find a different one than follow
a lot.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Just why if it is?
Speaker 5 (00:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
My mess it eight broke, don't fix it. We have
a very special guest today.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We have been trying to make this happen, and what
better time for it to happen than the last guest
podcast of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Our last guest of twenty twenty four? Why am I emotional?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Wow? I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I don't know. I don't like the last of things.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But it's setting you up for the beginning of something.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I know every beginning of your mother beginnings end. I know,
but it's just like I don't though. Does nobody else
have like I have such a hard time with goodbyes.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
I love this time of year more than any other
time of year. I love everything's ending and then the
world's going to shut down for a few weeks. It's
my favorite thing. And the closer we get to the
shutdown the sooner we are to effluorescence elorescence.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I know I love a new year, Don't get me wrong,
I love a new year. But there's something about the
good byes and the like won't see you for two weeks,
like just goodbye to everything that I knew.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Our guest today, she has probably had the craziest year
of anyone that I know.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, really crazy twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Four, crazy twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
What a knee jerk year. Her word for twenty twenty
four was probably like knee jerk.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
There's probably love whip turned into whip blocks.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, but she is.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You met her on The Bachelor. She then became the bachelorette,
the first Asian American bachelor. She then proceeded to go
on Dancing with the Stars. So she has had quite the.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Year, and we couldn't be happier to have gin Trans
scrubbing it. We have been really trying to make this
happen for quite some time now.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yes, yes, I know, I'm sorry. My schedule has been
so so so crazy, but I wanted to come on
and make this happen too, do not.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I love you, Jo, You're our final guest of twenty
twenty fours.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You are our last guest of the year.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
You know, I feel honored. I feel very very honored.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I mean I should just ask her us to like
get it out of the way.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, no, no, no, no, just really quick.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Are you gonna propose to me? Because no, but.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
We really want to try and have like a girl's
night drinks with like every guest that we have.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I would love that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, no, no, here's what she's up. We've tried. We've
tried to have.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Drinks and hangouts with people outside of this and on
the podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh my god, yeah, let's do it, and it never.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Happens, and so Tany is just constantly let down and no,
so I said, twenty twenty five will be the year
that we we're.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
We're gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I feel like we can make this happen because I
we've hung out outside of the podcast, like that's how
we met. We met JoJo's yeah party, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then I see you all.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Okay, it's gonna make it happen.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Jed Tran's gonna be our first.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I need new girlfriends in La anyways.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh cute, Okay, what is your plan?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
With that, are you staying in? What's your plan?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Because I there's so much to get to in terms
of this year has been.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I can't even imagine how crazy for you. But are
what what are your plans in terms of where you're
gonna live?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
So right now, I'm just living here in LA for
a little second and then with a friend, you know,
just crashing on somebody's couch.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Oh oh really, Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Oh you didn't know.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, I'm fully moved in there, but I am going
back to Peay school in March, so I'm only going
to be in LA for like a couple more months.
But even then, like, I'm traveling a lot in the
next few weeks, so I'm going to be everywhere. I'm
going home to Boston tonight, and then I'm going to
Vietnam at some point in January for the first time ever,
(04:30):
and then I'm going back to Miami for like two
weeks to get stuff situated as well in January. So
I'm just going to be traveling a lot, yeah, but
mainly going to try to be like situated in LA
because there's so much going on here right now, and
I want to just like hang out here while I
have the time.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, it's busy, yeah, busy, But are busy? Are you?
Do you have to physically be there for scores like
an online Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yes. So my program, my physician assistant program is two years.
The first year you're in the classroom, you're learning everything.
Then a second and you're you're in hospitals and like
the clinical setting and you're working with doctors, PA's, nurses
and everything, and you're kind of working under supervision essentially.
So it has to be in person, and you're doing
that where in Miami?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Okay, okay, yes, but I'm just.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
So impressed because you there is so much opportunity. Yeah,
there's a lot going on in your life right now.
So so being somewhere where you have to have a
schedule and have like the dedication is a big commitment.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Ke, you talk about the decision that, like where you
decide that that's what you wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I've always said that I would go back to school.
Like when I was on the Bachelor, I was like,
I'm pausing school, I have to go back. Then the Bachelor,
I was like, I'm pausing school, I have to go
back dancing the stars, pausing school. I have to go back,
and I'm a woman of my word and like especially
to myself, and I know that I've worked so hard
to get into physician assistant school. It's really hard, and
(05:57):
I've been passionate about medicine my entire life, and I
just know that what's going on right now is really
fun and exciting and there's so many avenues to explore
and I'm so excited to do that. And I also
know that it's still going to be waiting here for
me in some sense, like after peace school, and I'm
going to try to do both as best as I can.
But I just know that school is not something that
(06:18):
I can go back to after this, So like, I
just want to get my degree. And whether I'm gonna
work full time or for the rest of my life
as a physician assistant, I don't know, but I want
to at least like get my degree and work in
it for a little while because I've always wanted to.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That's so impressive and honestly so forward thinking.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Because forward thinking, but I don't think a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Of people in your situation would think that far ahead.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
It's just I don't know it just feels weird for
me to it's the easy thing to do, but to
be like net like fuck school, you know, and just
like not finish. But I just think I have to
do what's hard because I know that it's going to
be so rewarding at the end of it. But don't
applaud me yet, because honestly, like I it's it's a lot.
(07:02):
At the time that I've taken off has been a lot,
and a lot of what I've learned has gone out
the windows. So it's gonna be a lot of work
going back to school. Like pre going back to school,
I have to like sit down and like really like
study and like refocus and like get back into the
rhythm of things before school actually starts. So there's a lot.
It's an uphill battle that's not easy.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Listen, take the take the applause, because I think that
is so This world is so intoxicating when you come
off the show, and I can't even imagine for you,
like doing back to back to back shows and having
the attention and the opportunities to even be able to
think about going back to like a regular scheduled program
(07:45):
even just to regardless of what happens. Like, just to
know that that's your plan is so impressive to me
than so you should be very I mean, I'm like
so impressed by you.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I am too, honestly, You're so sweet.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Thank you. I mean also like long term goal like
love to have my own skincare brand. So I'm like,
if I just become a PA, go into dermatology, have
my own skincare brand, like it just like everything which
everything works and it would be amazing. Well circle, I'm
just I'm pushing for it.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Okay, I love that.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Can we go to the beginning. So how did you
get on The Bachelor for Joey season?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What was the process for you? So?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I was making tiktoks about being in PA school and
casting producers saw one of my tiktoks and then reached
out to me, was like, thought you'd be great for
the Bachelor. I laughed it off, still did the interview though,
because I was like, oh, it could be fun. And
then when they officially gave me the contract and was
like we really want you on, I was like I'm
in school, like I don't know about this, and like
(08:46):
I was like, the only way I'm going to go
on is if I feel like there's a chance for
a connection with the lead. So I waited until after
Joe was announced. I was like, he's a good looking guy,
Like who knows what could happen? And so I just
took the chance and I did it and then and yeah,
I mean it was really hard though, because for me,
I had to make sure school was like still gonna
(09:07):
be there. Like I had to talk with my program.
I was like, are you guys okay with me doing this?
I flat out told them. I was like if you
say no, like that's fine, Like I'm still gonna stay
in school, like that's my priority here. And they were like, no,
it's fine, Like we'll figure it out for you if
that's what you really want to do. So that's kind
of how I got thrown into things.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So you go on the show and I just have
a I'm curious about your mindset going on and I
this stems from being at the Unforgettable Gala MM because
it was so fun watching people like freak out over you.
And Haley and I were talking about it and she
was like, we were saying, like it was such an amazing,
(09:45):
huge deal that you were the first Asian American.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
To be the Bachelorette, to be a lead.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, and I don't think that people can grasp the
significance of it.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Me too, I don't even grasp the significance of it sometimes.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, So I wanted to know, like, when you went
on Joey's season, did you have any mindset because no one,
no one who was Asian American had even been thought
of as a lead. I guess Kayla who was on
ben season with me, she was considered, yes, for the
bachelorette role.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
But was there a part of.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Even call back to Kayla impressive she.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Was on my I mean, but I'm curious when you
went on did was there ever a thought that I
could be the lead of this show?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
No? Not, not even a little bit. I it just
wasn't even in my review mirror because at the time
when I was like in the show with Joey, I
was like, oh, I love him, like this is it,
you know, And then coming off of it, I was like, Oh,
I'm so happy to be back in school, Like I'm
like so excited to like finish out school. I only
have like a year left, Like it's I like had
(10:50):
had my time on TV, Like it was cool such
a fun experience, like now I'm back to normal life.
And then when I got the call ABT the that Trett,
I was just like I didn't know it was an option.
I was shocked and like confused about what I was
gonna do because again, school was such a huge factor
for me, and I also had to think of it
(11:12):
long term. I was like, if I if school says no,
like am I still Like if my school says I
can't go back? Would I take the opportunity? And my
what's my life gonna look like after that? So it
was just a lot of change happening. But in terms
of being the first Asian American bacherette, like I, yeah,
I don't know. It wasn't something that I thought of.
(11:33):
And it was funny because after Joey's season all the
stuff started coming out about because I was never really
a big Bachelor fan until I watched like Matt James
the season for the first time, and I loved that.
But I was never really a huge fan, so I
didn't know like who's the bacherette, who's been the Bachelor
all this stuff until like people started saying stuff of
like oh, Jem's the first, like Mono racial Asian to
like get a first one on one date with somebody,
(11:56):
which I was like, that's huge, crazy, And then people
were like, oh, we've never had an Asian bachelorette before,
Like what if jensa bacherette? And I was like, that's
crazy that they've never had one before. And I think
I've really seen the impact of it after the season,
just having so many people reach out to me saying
(12:17):
that they've never seen someone like me on screen before.
And I felt that before too. Growing up, I've never
really had someone to look up to who was Asian
American and who told their stories well and who told
their stories with vulnerability. So it was really amazing to
see how many people's hearts I touched and how many
people I inspired, And that was like the most beautiful
thing that really came out of it for me.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Like when we were at the gala, Haley and are
afterwards we were talking about and she was like a
lot of people in that room like Jen is such
a huge deal because those people never saw themselves as
the lead of a reality specifically the Bachelor, And how
cool that you got to be the first to be
that rep so now can watch it and be like,
(13:01):
I can be the lead of the show.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think it even extends beyond like
the lead of a show. It's like the lead of
your own life, because I think so oftentimes when you're
a kid, you're growing up and you're you're you want
to be someone who's on TV, right, Like, not like
someone is on TV, but you want you look up
to the people who are on right.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Whether that's you find your role model.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, that's how you find your role models, whether it's
reality TV or even just a movie or whatever. You're like, Oh,
that person's inspiring. I want to be like them. And
to grow up not having anyone look like you to
aspire to be is tough because then you're like, oh,
but where do I belong in this world? What's my identity? Like?
Why is no one? Why is there no one I
could relate to? So, yeah, it is really incredible to
(13:45):
be a role model. It's also a lot of pressure. Yeah,
that's a lot of pressure. But I'm so happy that
so many people could relate to me and could feel
inspired by me, And I just hope that there's like
more of it.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I feel like you just like when you say you
weren't expecting to be the bachelorette and like all, like
I really genuinely believe you, and like I feel like
a lot of people in the past have said, like, no,
I didn't do it, could cut you know, to be
the lead, and like I never believed them, but like
I genuinely believe you. And I remember when we met
(14:37):
at JoJo's Cupshy event.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I was like so blown away, just how like normal
and cool you, Like I didn't get cool. I think
it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Like I didn't get any ego, I didn't get any
like anything from you, Like it was just like you
were so cool and down to earth. So I'm just
like so happy that you had that, like that you
were the first and that you have that like as
like something that you can always hold on too, because
I just feel like you're so.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Cool, You're so sweet, thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And genuine like I really I feel that. But I
also feel like they did you dirty.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yes, I was about to say I too felt like
they did you dirty those guys.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I've it was a whirlwind, and I think.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Did you have time to recover from that?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Like how long was that there wasn't time, like no,
because I had hours.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, I had that night.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Well, I ran off of stage at AFR and then
I got to my dressing room and that was when
I was caught. They told me I was gonna be
on Dancing with the Stars and then I had to
hop on a flight in forty five minutes. So it
was like I never really had time to sit and
think about what happened to me.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And blessing and a curse.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yes, yes, no, Like it was such emotional whiplash because
I was such a low low and then suddenly I
was like, oh my god, dancing with the Stars, Like
I've always wanted to be on Dancing with the Stars. Like,
if anything, I manifested Dancing with the Star because I
remember watching it growing up and being like, oh, I
love dancing. You would love to just learn how to
dance and like maybe I'll become a pro one day
and like get dance classes and like be really good,
(16:09):
which obviously never happened. But and then and then I
got on it, which is crazy. But it was such
a whirlwind, and I think that I'm so happy now.
I'm so happy with the way things turned out. But
there is like a part of me that I think,
you know, I haven't called my therapist back for a reason,
and I've been ignoring your phone calls, and I just
(16:31):
that's the worst.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, that's the worst. And they're like checking in like hey,
I'm like.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Hey girl, I'm so busy. I love I want to
do a session. I was so busy.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Check backtircle back in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Twenty twenty five to on my TV list is to
call my therapist back because I'm sure there's so much
unpacking to do to really get to the depths of
all of it, because when you go through such a
huge public betrayal like that, like there's definitely some deep
wounds in there that I have to unpack, but overall
I'm very happy.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, So there's also that.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, I think it's you know, you have this moment
on TV which, like you said, deep betrayal and hurt
and from.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
What for people that are listening that may not know
what went down in like a cliff notes version.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah, I got engaged on the Bachelorette, was very very happy,
thought I met the man of my dreams. And then
shortly after we got engaged and we were off the show.
He had turned out to be someone completely different and
then we broke up. He broke up with me, and
then I, yeah, he didn't even give me a chance
to have a conversation with him in person before like
(17:34):
this live finale that we had to do for the show,
and he kept leading me on and whatever. And then
the first time I had to see him was on
stage live in front of an audience and hash out
our breakup together, and he was a completely different person
than I had gotten engaged to at that time when
I had seen him again, So it was really crazy.
And then all the stuff that happened after the fact
(17:54):
was really the craziest part. And he just like had
all this stuff come up about his past and restraining
orders and whatnot. So yeah, I just the biggest betrayal
is that he turned out to be someone that I
didn't know at all.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
How scary is that?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Though?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Very yeah, very the biggest betrayal is that he was
cast to be on the show to date someone.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well, how are they supposed to know?
Speaker 5 (18:17):
They?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Okay, I'm not excuses for anybody, but like, I just
feel like, how scary that this person was able to
like swindle you into like thinking that they were somebody
that they weren't and then like boom, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I mean it's it's it was crazy what happened to you.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
It was. It was really crazy. It's not something you
see every day.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Did you also feel when you watched the proposal? When
they made you watch it was that total shock, but
it felt like it like it felt like you had
no idea that was going to happen.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Yeah, they definitely. So they told me that that was
what was going to happen, and I was like, okay, great,
I want him to watch it back and like, because
at that time, I was like, you know, like I
can't believe you promised me the world and now you're
telling me that you didn't kind of thing, which is
what we were going through. But when I was on stage,
I think I didn't realize how emotional I was gonna
be seeing him again, being in that environment again, rehashing everything,
(19:14):
and so watching it back was was really hard. It
was really really hard.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, Like I just like what you experienced was so gnarly,
but then to do it in a public forum is
like a whole nother level. Yes, So I have so
many questions about that. But do you have you spoken
to him since.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Since after the final Rose. We had a couple of
texts exchanged about everything that went down, things that happened
after the fact. I was getting dms of him like
traveling with an ex girlfriend of his, like before the show,
like had come out that we were working up whatever.
So it was just like it was a lot for
(20:02):
me to go through because then things started coming out.
So we're texting a little bit. But since then, was it.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Like he apologized and you were just kind of like, what.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Like it's not like, you know, it's not like it
had like a nice little bow on it and you
put that in the past.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
No, but my bow was knowing that at the end
of the day he I listen, I wish him well
and I really hope that he gets some therapy and
you know, like really works through whatever demons he's fighting.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
You know what Jojo Siwa says, Karma.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Is a bitch, says Karma as a cat.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, bitch is so much better. Do you agree?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
And exactly like, listen, I I just want him to
be healed, and I really do wish him the best
and I'm so happy that he is out of my life.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Okay, so that's that's that's that I want it.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
But it is a box in the past.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The yes, okay, that's where that's where LO was.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Knowing that he wasn't a great person to me and
was cheating on me. And that was the bow that
I didn't I didn't get married to him. I didn't
have kids with him.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Like, thank god, you have emotionally yourself voted up in
the past, which is the best thing to do. Yeah,
what is it like except the apology and ever get
or something like that along.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
So that's that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Then you get told that you're going on Dancing with
the Stars. Yes, do you get any saying who you're
partnered up with?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
It's random?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
No, especially last minute like that. God. No, they were
just like, oh, this is who your partner is. This
is like okay. And I remember I was in the
airport and they were like, oh, he's there, and I
was like, okay, I have to google social farbar because
I don't know he looks Google type. Of course. All
his photos are shirtless. He doesn't wear it. The man
does not wear a shirt. I looked around, who's the
one shirtles guy in the airport? That's Sasha. He was
(21:57):
wearing this button down and one and all the way
at the bottom was but no other buttons were buttoned.
I was like, that'scial Farmer perfect.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It was like cold on the airplane. Yeah, chili, chili.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
The man doesn't get cold.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
So this is my favorite thing about life. Right.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You go through this public, like brutal heartbreak in front
of everybody, right, and then this beautiful opportunity comes into
your life where you get to meet someone who seemingly
as of now feels like they're going to be in
your life for a long time. And you've created this
bond WITHID and had the bad thing not happened, the
(22:38):
good the better thing probably wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I agree, And.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I think so yeah, because I think that they put
you on Dancing with the Stars because of the outcome
of the show, like you ended up happily engaged with
this man.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I don't know what would have happened, but all I
know is I had a call with the executive producer
of Dancing with Stars like two weeks before the finale.
They were like, it's not happening, like so sorry, And
usually they do a big happy announcement, right, like I
think with charity. They did like a happy announcement on AFR.
So like, when I got off of stage at AFR,
I was like that, no happy announcement is happening, And
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I was told that it was a pretty last minute
decision in that moment.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So okay, so that you're probably right now.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And I just think that's such a lesson in like,
and let's say, even if it had been the plane
that you were gonna go on the show.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Right right, would it have affected this relationship? Like things
just would have been very you would have had a
very different cherience.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
And I so agree, And I think that's been the
best lesson to come out of this, is that no
matter how bad something that you're going through is, if
you just keep pushing, eventually it's gonna get better. And
like sometimes you'll get surprised by like the best opportunity
of your life, Like you don't know what's on the
other side of that door. So that's really like my
biggest life lesson is like, no matter how bad a
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situation seems, a relationship seems like if you leave, who
knows what's on the other side of them?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So, so you opened an their door too, where's a
dance partner.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
By the way, I love his name just Sasha. I
love the name Sasha. I like, I'm obsessed with it.
I just it's really not important to this conversation.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
But you were about your love for his name.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I just love his name, Like I think everybody should
name their children Sasha.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, it's growing on me, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, Like, do you like this Sasha Junior as a name.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
For for whose kids? Here we're talking? You know, I
think it's a really cool name. I don't really call
him Sosha all though. Often though, if I do, what
do you call them? Babe? Honey? Oh it's just babe.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well, because he's your boyfriend, right, I don't.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
I don't know if that's uh confirmed your died yet?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Why why I need to know why? Because there's there's
all these articles.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Threw me off. I thought you guys were just friends.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Oh, he's Australian, so he calls everybody babe. So we
started off for a dance partnership calling each other babe
because he just calls me babe all the time. He
also calls everybody else babe, So now I also call
everybody babe too.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
But what's his name for you that he doesn't call
everybody else?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He calls me babe and honey.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
That's that's unatt Does he call everyone else honey? I
think so they are cool people that do that.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yes, did I walk in here every morning? Hey babe?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So here's my question, because we're doing frantic research trying
to figure out where things lie in your relationship, in
your dating life. Right, lots of conflicting articles, some straight
some interviews straight from you that you're keeping your life private,
but there's a lot of footage and photos that that
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course say otherwise.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I am just having fun. Listen. I share what I
want to share on social media because it's fun, Like
making tiktoks is fun, doing a little dancing tiktoks with
Sasha is fun, And it's like a nice creative outlet
for me and I just I share what I want
to share, and I keep things private where I want
to keep things private. And now I'm not like I
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don't have a mastermind plan. Like it's so funny because
everyone online is like, she's gonna announce this on this
date because she said this and liked this comment and
did that. I'm like, guys, I'm really not as cool
as Taylor Swift. I don't have this.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Grand plan that'd be pretty epic.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
It would be very epic, but it's just it's not me.
I am just like taking life one day at a
time and like trying to navigate everything as best as
I can. You guys are unsatisfied.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
No, no, no, I really like I'm very naive and
I just like had no idea that there was like
even a question, like I'm like that of course they're dating, Like,
of course that's her boyfriend. Like I literally didn't even
think that it was a thing. And then I started
googling and realized there was all these reports saying like no,
they're not Yes they are, And I was like.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I am one hundred percent on board of keeping you anything.
We were dating like private, right because I was with
my girlfriend for four years before we were publicly. Yeah,
so but we didn't go to anything to get like
there is no footage of us out on the internet
or that we were posting, so there was you know,
it's pretty private.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
I just think and I agree with that, and I
I think moving forward with my life, I just I
don't know. After going through a very public breakup. It's
just not the time for me or maybe ever to
like announce something, to launch something to like I don't,
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I don't know. It's just not for me. And I'm
really just living my life one day at a time
and trying to do the best I can do with
and being as comfortable as I am and like being
as vulnerable as I can be online. And that's it
is what it is. And I think, honestly, like I'm
not launching anybody anything until I'm like pregnant, Like why it's.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Wait, do you think, Okay, do you think I'm going
to about to get like deep here? Do you think
that there's something psychological there because of what you went
through that you're like, I'm not gonna like believe, not
really put myself, not even about the public thing, Like
I'm not really gonna believe it until it's like.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
There probably yeah. I mean, when you go through such
a huge public betrayal, it it triggers so many beds
in you and for me, I just like I need time.
I need time to like believe, I need time to trust.
I need time.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Right right because you didn't have that with this guy.
And now that's like probably your biggest thing is like, Okay,
time does tell all?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Time really tells all? Yeah, yeah, that's like so that's
something that I'm like living by now, whether it's friends, men,
like whatever, it is, like.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You know what else tells all? Living together.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Had such a research.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Sasha has had a lot of public relationship and divorce,
and so has he been able to just like be
I just feel like, regardless of what y'all status is,
I feel like you'll have this relationship where I feel
like him being your partner specifically healed a part.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Of you that we got to watch, of course, I felt.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I mean we've got to watch it happen every dance,
you know.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean it was such a special time in
my life and I think it wouldn't have worked with
any other pro on the show like it was. The
pairing that was made was very much like by intervention
and like he's been through it, you know, with what
his stuff, and I've been through it, so it was
very healing for the both of us for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, that season, I feel like Dancing with the Stars
hit like a little bit of a lull where, like
I agree, it.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Was like kind of like nobody was really talking about
it and then.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Watching for a little this season, it was like he
popped up, popped off off.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, it cooked, it cooked it it ate.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I don't have one.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
We took them already there.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Sad.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah. Social media. I think like everybody was on their
social media game this season, Olona, Me, Joey Chandler, who
else is Riley Steven? Like they were all so good
with their social media game, and I think because of
that it really propelled Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, it was. It was a fun season.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Did you if you look back on this past year,
what was something that you look back and you're like,
I'm so proud of myself for.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
That, so so many moments. I will have to say
after the final rows, I'm really really proud of myself
for getting through that. I think if you had told
me that I would have had to have a conversation
with someone live on TV and get out all the
things that I needed to get out and like still
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be stern and not like roll over, especially with someone
that I had previously loved. I don't think I could
have because usually I'm very I'm like a pushover, like
and the fact that I was able to stand my
ground on live TV. I'm very, very proud of myself.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, I mean that would make me feel like I
can handle anything in a relationship. I'm like, yeah, this
is in the privacy of my own home, easy. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yes, I feel much more confident in speaking out about
like my boundaries now and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Yeah, what a crazy year, crazy crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Are you close with the girls for from your season?
I feel like y'all had a.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
From the Battle of Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have
a few good friends from their Taylor Star. Yeah. But
I mean I'm still really good friends with a lot
of them, like Daisy and Kelsey. They live in LA
so that's really nice. We had a really great group
of girls. Yah, y'all had a really I was really sweet.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I also didn't realize you were a classically trained uh.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was a lot of my life.
It's funny because when you're a kid, you're like, when
someone's telling you to do something, like my mom telling
me to practice piano and whatnot, I'm like, no, I
don't want to do that because I hate being told
what to do. But I'm so glad that she pushed
me through it. But now I'm also kind of like
I wish I had kept up with it because it's
been so long now since I've played that. It's not
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I'm at the same level that I used to be at,
but it's a really cool party trick every.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Now and then, Yeah, are you going to keep dancing?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
I would love to. I love too. So Amanda Flotes
does this like heels class every Monday night. She's been
texting me to go, So I'm gonna go. It's like
sexy dancing dancing almost but no poll just like sexy
dancing without the polls. It's almost like maybe we're last dancing. No.
She just goes to them, posts videos of it and stuff,
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and she just always looks so confident and cool, and
so I'm like, I want to do that too. So
I messaged her and she messaged me, So I'm gonna
go to the class with her. It's just a good
way to keep up with it, I think. So we'll see.
We'll see. But I loved ballroom dancing so much, but
I don't know if there's like a lot of adult
ballroom classes around.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
So I actually just started looking into this because so
embarrassing are you doing?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Are you doing it?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
No for my wedding.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Okay, So my friend, nice friend of mine put it
in my head, like maybe you and Robbie should take
some dance classes before your wedding, and I was like,
I'd never thought about it.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
And then I was like, yeah, we're gonna like to high.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Schoolers at prom, just like swaying back and forth for
our first dance.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
And I was like, I probably.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Should like look into some dance classes and like make
it somewhat of like a cool dance so we don't
look like we're like.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
How is that working? Did you find I haven't.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Found anything yet, so you're not wrong that it's not
easy to find.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
It's not, yes exactly, it's like I don't know. They
don't have it for the adults, and I'm right, I
don't know. Sasha can help.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Does he do like freelance work?
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Yeah, it does. Chances that would be fun, that would
be really fun. Just come over, come over.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I should invite.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Because our first song is a It's an Invisible String
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, that is so cute.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But like if we don't have some cool moves, we're
literally just gonna look like two teenagers.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Sasha, we'll teach you and it'll be amazing and we'll
it'll just we'll just have a little barbecue and then
we'll like.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
It'll be dancing simple. Yeah yeah yeahs face done it before.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
He's done a lot of first dances before this. And
this is great because then I'll be there too to
kind of help, because it's it's hard when like someone's
teaching you somebody else's moves kind of thing also teaching.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
So this is great and Becca can come and we
can have drinks. Yes, this will be yeah, really came
full circle.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
We'll teach you some yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
And then I Hayley's a dancer, so she's press Yeah,
I'll be like to see what about this?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
You ever seen this? So you went to the Taylor
Switch concert in Vancouver?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
What was her surprise songs?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Wasn't her last show you went to?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I went to the last show and I went to
the Friday show. She did a mix up of a
few songs memory, but she did a few. I was
really happy about long Live at the last one because
that's one of my favorite songs too. I thought she
was gonna do it during her speaking now portion, but
then she saved it for the mashup.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
So I was we got a Long Lived too, didn't we?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
She we had it in the set and then she
took it out because of torture Post's apartment.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yes, but that was very fitting for her to end
it with Long Live. But I think she's going to
come back and do a show in La. Why do
you think that?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
So I've heard this because there's like a break in
the football stadium.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I don't know about that. But she schedule, I don't
know about that. But she at the end of every
city that she visits, she makes an Instagram post saying goodbye,
like thank you so much. She never did one for La.
She hates this and no, let's be honest. She has
a team that does that for her. So she definitely
didn't just oh forgot.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
They didn't forget.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
She's an astronaut.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
So do you think it's because she filmed the LA one?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
So?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Like, So, I don't know, what.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Is your Taylor song, your Taylor Swift song that you
resonate with the mist in your life right now right now?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Hmmm, that is a good question, Lavender Hayes. I can
listening to that song so much. I love. Oh shocking,
it's like spicy. Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
What was your favorite dance style that you learned?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Ooh, I really loved I'm trying to think of what,
Like tango was cool, Waltz was cool, fox trot was cool.
I really liked the inframe ones because I loved wall
ball was so fun. So one of those probably probably
the fox trot that was fun.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Which is the one where y'all slid on your knees
at each other, the Passago Wow, oh.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
We we know when we slid into each other. The
Vienie Waltz.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, there's so many that the fans love that.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Okay, so this is my last question about your relationship. Okay,
or you're not whatever, whatever we call it. You post
a photo of you two, a collection of photos, and
you said the photos you grimlins have been one ding
or asking for.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
I know what the people want. I've seen the comments.
I'me gonna sit here in lines. I haven't seen I've
seen what everybody wants. So I just gave him what
the people want.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
But then people are like, oh my god, it's official,
and then you're just like, nope.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Is it? Is it not? We'll never know we'll never know.
I'll never know. My mom will never know.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Your mom doesn't know know.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Why? What is there to know?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Just if you're single or not?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Does your brother I got to meet your brother at
Unforgettable Gallup?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Yes you did. Yeah, he's great. I miss it.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Would you ever do the dating apps?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
God? No? Really, God no, it's too weird having your
life out there and like not everyone's seeing the badge rappe.
But I still think it's too weird that I you
just you can never be sure about someone's intentions. I
think if I went on hint or something and then like.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
But you can never be sure of anyone's intentions in
real life either. Yeah, what's the difference between that app?
Speaker 5 (38:55):
No, you're you're right, You're actually right. I don't know.
It's just something about being on fine, yeah, may please.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I feel as though a dating app man might be
better than in real life man.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
And plenty of people do, know, so many people do.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
It's not even about that. It's more like I and again.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
You are so anti dating apps before, Robbie.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
That I'm trying to push her to not maybe be
so harsh on it, because you could be single right
now for all we know.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
I think for me though, here's the thing is, I'm
very quick to judge somebody online at least, which is bad.
It's not good. But if I I fall in love
with people's personalities very easily once I get to know them.
And for me, I'm swiping left all day long until
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I don't know, dreamy dreamy comes up. Then I get
one right swep. You know, but that's not realistic for me, Like,
I need more. I need personality, and you can't really
get personality through app, I think.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
So I got to take it to person real fast.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, yeah, to like drinks and stuff. But I just yeah,
I don't know. I think I would be missing some
really good eggs. Yeah on the online.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Who's your like? Who's your celebrity crush? What's your type? Physically?
I know it's more about personality, but just if you
were just like, oh, oh.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I love Chris Evans. He's been my celebrity crush for.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
The Eastern celebrity crush.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Really okay, so we'll tag team him together with Pleasure.
We'll both go see you.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
That is a good one.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
I love him. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Well, I have like a random question because I feel
like it's the holidays and everybody has a little bit
of like time on their hands. What's the last show
that you binge that you were like obsessed with?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Tell me lies really good? Have you seen it?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
That's the one with Grace ben Patten, right, I.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Don't know that.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
That's the one that you keep telling me to watch.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so season too. Yes, Okay,
I haven't finished Sae.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
I haven't finished it either, but I love it. Okay,
it's okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Just co announced for season three.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Really that just broke I remember I was on that
show for the longest time and all my friends were like,
what is it? I was like, you have to watch it,
you have to watch it.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
The season one was crazy, so crazy?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, so good, so good.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
You like me, You like toxic things.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
If you're like me, not mad, not mad, not mad,
not mad.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I very me too, me too, But I like the
show is very traumatic and toxic and it's nice to watch.
Not to It's not your real life, yes anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
It used to be not anything interesting.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, you're about eight months out from that situation.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yes, No, I've like crazy enough. I have dated a
lot of crazy people like I don't all.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
What is that? Is it the thrill? Like, do you
think there's a thrill in that?
Speaker 5 (41:47):
I think I'm a very empathy empathetic person, and I
think I tracked a lot of narcissistic people. Is what
I've read online is what happens when you're very empathetic,
like the narcissism to.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Did you have when you you were do like in hindsight, now,
after everything that happened with the person that you chose
on the Bachelorette, did you look back and have moments
where you're like, oh, I noticed that and I ignored it?
Or were you was it like completely he completely fooled
you and you had no it was just like no
red flags.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
No red flags. But kind of apparently I was wiping
away the red flags all season, so maybe I didn't
see the red flags.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, maybe you have a blinders onto the red flags.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Yeah I did, But now now I I think I
can spot a red flag if it came at me glaringly.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
No peripheral, just see me straight on.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
You have to be out of its back.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Do you have plans for the New Year, for the
meeting like New Year's Eve?
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Oh? Do you what are you guys doing.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Yes, I do have plans.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Oh what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I will be in New York City?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Are you watching the ball drop? Hang out? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:00):
That's cool my friends. There's just gonna like go out.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Oh, that'll be fun. I've never been to the city
for New Year's if I don't think.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
But we were talking before we started rolling about just
New Year's even gentlemen, and I feel like it is
such an interesting holiday because it's true. It's like there's
so much expectation around it, so much, and then you
really like, I don't want to do anything deep down.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Like my soul. I want to stay home.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
You should because you want to like start the new
year off right.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah. Yes, I go through this dilemma. I feel like
every year. Every year. Yeah, I'm like, I want to
do it big. I want to dress up. No, no, no,
and then one I either get disappointed or two I
end up staying home. And I think every year I've
stayed home, it's been really great.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I love being at home. We're probably going to stay
home and make vision boards or something.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
So you on many of those.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, it's very wholesome.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
Yeah, like have some good food, some good drinks, stay
in your pjs like thak of vision Board low key.
And also I hate like standing in line for a
bar or something like.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
That's if I have to stand in line, don't and
buye me. That's how I feel.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I hate that.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
I'm just like to go in and what yeah, land around. Yeah,
well that's a rise stand in line? Yeah me too, but.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Like standing in line to like be bumped around. Yeah no,
it's just why let me go home?
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Yeah, And I feel like that's a big thing with
New Yor's Eve is everyone's buying tickets to something, yeah,
and then it just gets crowded and you're waiting in lines,
and it's it's never as good as it seems.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
It's it's never as good as Instagram makes it a lot.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Yes, I remember when you're in Boston. I was like,
it's gonna be the best new Ys ever. I made
all my friends buy tickets to this like really cool
like hotel, downtown party whatever. I thought it was gonna
be the best time in my life. The Instagram videos
seemed really fun. We get in there, it's the age
range is like sixty to eighty. We literally accidentally signed
(44:59):
up for like senior home like New Year's Eve event.
But I have to say it was really fun. I
didn't get a New Year's kiss, but it was the
best time of my life. The old people really know
how to do it up.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yes, we had to.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
We went to We drove to Tahoe for New Year's
EEP one year and did the same thing. It was
like the hotel we were checking and they're like, oh,
we're throwing a masquerade, Like do you guys want to
buy tickets? And we were like, sure, what else are
we gonna do, like stay in our hotel room, So
by tickets to this masquerade and it was like older
people and we had a blast. They gave us like
masquerade masks and like we didn't know a single person
(45:36):
there and had like the time.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Of our lives.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
That's what you make it.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
It is what you make it.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Do you do?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
You find the couch you're sleeping on quite cozy? Are
you ready to be in a in like a bed
m in the New Year?
Speaker 4 (45:51):
You sleep on his couch.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
I love the couch, which is really great. It's really great.
It's green, it's one of my favorite colors. It's comfy
right next to the fires, it's never cold. We'll see
I don't know. Maybe we'll find a new couch, but
maybe we'll stay there. I don't know. I don't know.
How are you guys doing how?
Speaker 3 (46:18):
I'm like amazed by the just like the dodging questions
left and right.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
It's really you're getting worse at them.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
I have to say, you're on the couch. She's couch
hopping with a friend, couch surfing, couch surfing.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
But you're not going to many couches. Just one couch
so far.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
Just one couch.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, so far the new year, new couch. Potentially there
we go.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah, because I guess you can't really get at lease
till March.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
Right. Well, I still have my apartment in Miami, but
now I'm gonna have to upsize. Is that a word.
I'm gonna have to get a new apartment because my
pr is through the roof and I live in a
one bedroom and I've been having my home friends like
come to my apartment and pick up my packages, water
the plants. I don't have plants, but they open my
mail and they've been setting me photos the progress photos
(47:09):
of my living room getting progressively smaller because of all
the packages in it, which is why I'm going home
in January just to like sort out the package situation.
But I'm gonna have to get a new apartment and
have like a package room because it's getting crazy.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Isn't that crazy? How life?
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Like you make one decision and said yes to going
on the show and now it's just.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
It's been crazy. It's really crazy.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
The butterflies.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
It's been the greatest ride of my life. But I'm
such a pessimist because I'm like, Okay, when is the
shoe gonna drop? When is my downfall? I know?
Speaker 4 (47:45):
But she can't think like that.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
No, I know.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Very bad, it's very bad because like at the end
of the day, even like I used to think this
way too about my relationship, Like I was like, okay,
just like everything's just going too well, like gonna drop.
And I was talking to my therapist about it, and
she was like, even when you're married and you have kids,
the shoe, you know what I mean, Like the shoe
can always drop and people think, oh, I just need
to get I just need to get engaged, or I just
(48:08):
need to get married and then I'll feel safe and
then whatever.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
But it's like the shoe can always drop totally.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
So it's like you just have to get that mentality
out of your head.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
Okay, So mine was.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Always just like I just need to get engaged.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
I need to get engaged because then we're like official
and like that's safe area.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
But then it's like it's not.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
But it's not because it's something could still happen.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
You never know.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
Yes, so to just be more present and just enjoy
the time that you're having rather being anxious in the future.
Very true.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Here's my question. Would you be open to doing another
reality show?
Speaker 5 (48:40):
It depends on what show it is, Special.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Forces, maybe Traders.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
Maybe I haven't watched it, so I don't know. I've
heard it. I've heard it's like Mafia, Yeah, which is fun.
I've done that with my friends. I would have to
watch it to know for sure. My type of show,
Survivor's not my Idealistically, like my my cool brain thinks
(49:05):
that I could do that. I could not. I could
never do that. I'm not slipping naked in the jungle
like it's not happening. I love my curling iron I'm
not that cool amazing race. Maybe that sounds really fun, yeah,
but I really want to do like a cooking show
like British Baking show. No, I'm not British Night and
I do bake, but I'm not like as amazing, but
(49:27):
like Chopped or something.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
You can check out Crime Scene Kitchen.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (49:30):
It's good?
Speaker 5 (49:31):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (49:32):
It's like okay, so it's on Fox. It's hosted by
Jewel McHale. Okay, and basically they like make something in
a kitchen and you have like they leave it clues
as to what it is. Oh, you figure out what
between the clues like what to bake, and then you
all have like however long to bake the thing?
Speaker 4 (49:46):
That's fine, really fine, Oh I want to go.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Some people get it really wrong and they end up
making this like delicious, elaborate thing and it's just like wrong.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
They take nobody so that don't know how to cook.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
I don't think you're nobody, but they probably would love
the fact that it only is it.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
They feel they feel talented.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
No, maybe they'll do a celebrity edition.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
I know I'm talentless.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
It's not true actually at all.
Speaker 5 (50:10):
Well, I'm not an amazing bit like like I can bake,
but I need like a recipe, like I'm not just
like this is how much.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Coke, Like if you tried, like Marlapan and like whatever,
that is like a souple that it's amazing, it's impressive.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, I am just so happy for you, and it's
so fun to get to talk to you. Like obviously
we've been trying to get you on the show for
a long time, but I'm so happy that we got
to have you in a season of joy and confidence
and happiness because I know it's been like such a
crazy year for you, and I think we both are
(50:46):
just so happy for you.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Whatever life comes, whatever, Thank you. No, I'm so happy
that we got to do this, and we can't wait
to get drinks in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
We are.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
We're gonna teach Tanya how yeah to do a first dance. Yeah,
and and then we'll have drinks at the same butt.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
That feels like the perfect the dream.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yeah, we love you, We wish you the best work,
and people follow.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
You on all things Instagram, TikTok, snapchat, gentry in that's
all that simple and easy.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Snapchat's actually it's popping on.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I know it cooks there.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
People are baking.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Yeah, yes, yes, the nothing new in it baked.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
I just made it up.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Oh, you heard it here.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
It works. Yeah, it's broiling.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Are you traveling for Christmas?
Speaker 5 (51:37):
I am Boston tonight.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Is this your first time back home?
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's been a while, Boston, Miami, Vietnam, and then back
to Miami.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
La, in LA. I'll be here in and out, in
and out, I know, for in and out.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Twenty five.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
I'll see you in twenty twenty five. Bye.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
You acome to be continued.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Oh
Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Scrub Dub dub Dub dub dub.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh you're really trying to find the Christmas tune there,
weren't you.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I was trying to find a different one than follow
a lot.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Just why if it is?
Speaker 5 (00:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
My mess it eight broke, don't fix it. We have
a very special guest today.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We have been trying to make this happen, and what
better time for it to happen than the last guest
podcast of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Our last guest of twenty twenty four? Why am I emotional?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Wow? I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I don't know. I don't like the last of things.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But it's setting you up for the beginning of something.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I know every beginning of your mother beginnings end. I know,
but it's just like I don't though. Does nobody else
have like I have such a hard time with goodbyes.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
I love this time of year more than any other
time of year. I love everything's ending and then the
world's going to shut down for a few weeks. It's
my favorite thing. And the closer we get to the
shutdown the sooner we are to effluorescence elorescence.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I know I love a new year, Don't get me wrong,
I love a new year. But there's something about the
good byes and the like won't see you for two weeks,
like just goodbye to everything that I knew.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Our guest today, she has probably had the craziest year
of anyone that I know.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, really crazy twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Four, crazy twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
What a knee jerk year. Her word for twenty twenty
four was probably like knee jerk.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
There's probably love whip turned into whip blocks.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, but she is.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You met her on The Bachelor. She then became the bachelorette,
the first Asian American bachelor. She then proceeded to go
on Dancing with the Stars. So she has had quite the.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Year, and we couldn't be happier to have gin Trans
scrubbing it. We have been really trying to make this
happen for quite some time now.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yes, yes, I know, I'm sorry. My schedule has been
so so so crazy, but I wanted to come on
and make this happen too, do not.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I love you, Jo, You're our final guest of twenty
twenty fours.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You are our last guest of the year.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
You know, I feel honored. I feel very very honored.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I mean I should just ask her us to like
get it out of the way.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, no, no, no, no, just really quick.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Are you gonna propose to me? Because no, but.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
We really want to try and have like a girl's
night drinks with like every guest that we have.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
I would love that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, no, no, here's what she's up. We've tried. We've
tried to have.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Drinks and hangouts with people outside of this and on
the podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh my god, yeah, let's do it, and it never.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Happens, and so Tany is just constantly let down and no,
so I said, twenty twenty five will be the year
that we we're.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
We're gonna do it.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
I feel like we can make this happen because I
we've hung out outside of the podcast, like that's how
we met. We met JoJo's yeah party, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then I see you all.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Okay, it's gonna make it happen.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Jed Tran's gonna be our first.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I need new girlfriends in La anyways.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh cute, Okay, what is your plan?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
With that, are you staying in? What's your plan?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Because I there's so much to get to in terms
of this year has been.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I can't even imagine how crazy for you. But are
what what are your plans in terms of where you're
gonna live?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
So right now, I'm just living here in LA for
a little second and then with a friend, you know,
just crashing on somebody's couch.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Oh oh really, Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Oh you didn't know.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, I'm fully moved in there, but I am going
back to Peay school in March, so I'm only going
to be in LA for like a couple more months.
But even then, like, I'm traveling a lot in the
next few weeks, so I'm going to be everywhere. I'm
going home to Boston tonight, and then I'm going to
Vietnam at some point in January for the first time ever,
(04:30):
and then I'm going back to Miami for like two
weeks to get stuff situated as well in January. So
I'm just going to be traveling a lot, yeah, but
mainly going to try to be like situated in LA
because there's so much going on here right now, and
I want to just like hang out here while I
have the time.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, it's busy, yeah, busy, But are busy? Are you?
Do you have to physically be there for scores like
an online Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yes. So my program, my physician assistant program is two years.
The first year you're in the classroom, you're learning everything.
Then a second and you're you're in hospitals and like
the clinical setting and you're working with doctors, PA's, nurses
and everything, and you're kind of working under supervision essentially.
So it has to be in person, and you're doing
that where in Miami?
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Okay, okay, yes, but I'm just.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
So impressed because you there is so much opportunity. Yeah,
there's a lot going on in your life right now.
So so being somewhere where you have to have a
schedule and have like the dedication is a big commitment.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Ke, you talk about the decision that, like where you
decide that that's what you wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I've always said that I would go back to school.
Like when I was on the Bachelor, I was like,
I'm pausing school, I have to go back. Then the Bachelor,
I was like, I'm pausing school, I have to go
back dancing the stars, pausing school. I have to go back,
and I'm a woman of my word and like especially
to myself, and I know that I've worked so hard
to get into physician assistant school. It's really hard, and
(05:57):
I've been passionate about medicine my entire life, and I
just know that what's going on right now is really
fun and exciting and there's so many avenues to explore
and I'm so excited to do that. And I also
know that it's still going to be waiting here for
me in some sense, like after peace school, and I'm
going to try to do both as best as I can.
But I just know that school is not something that
(06:18):
I can go back to after this, So like, I
just want to get my degree. And whether I'm gonna
work full time or for the rest of my life
as a physician assistant, I don't know, but I want
to at least like get my degree and work in
it for a little while because I've always wanted to.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That's so impressive and honestly so forward thinking.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Because forward thinking, but I don't think a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Of people in your situation would think that far ahead.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
It's just I don't know it just feels weird for
me to it's the easy thing to do, but to
be like net like fuck school, you know, and just
like not finish. But I just think I have to
do what's hard because I know that it's going to
be so rewarding at the end of it. But don't
applaud me yet, because honestly, like I it's it's a lot.
(07:02):
At the time that I've taken off has been a lot,
and a lot of what I've learned has gone out
the windows. So it's gonna be a lot of work
going back to school. Like pre going back to school,
I have to like sit down and like really like
study and like refocus and like get back into the
rhythm of things before school actually starts. So there's a lot.
It's an uphill battle that's not easy.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Listen, take the take the applause, because I think that
is so This world is so intoxicating when you come
off the show, and I can't even imagine for you,
like doing back to back to back shows and having
the attention and the opportunities to even be able to
think about going back to like a regular scheduled program
(07:45):
even just to regardless of what happens. Like, just to
know that that's your plan is so impressive to me
than so you should be very I mean, I'm like
so impressed by you.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
I am too, honestly, You're so sweet.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Thank you. I mean also like long term goal like
love to have my own skincare brand. So I'm like,
if I just become a PA, go into dermatology, have
my own skincare brand, like it just like everything which
everything works and it would be amazing. Well circle, I'm
just I'm pushing for it.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Okay, I love that.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Can we go to the beginning. So how did you
get on The Bachelor for Joey season?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What was the process for you? So?
Speaker 5 (08:25):
I was making tiktoks about being in PA school and
casting producers saw one of my tiktoks and then reached
out to me, was like, thought you'd be great for
the Bachelor. I laughed it off, still did the interview though,
because I was like, oh, it could be fun. And
then when they officially gave me the contract and was
like we really want you on, I was like I'm
in school, like I don't know about this, and like
(08:46):
I was like, the only way I'm going to go
on is if I feel like there's a chance for
a connection with the lead. So I waited until after
Joe was announced. I was like, he's a good looking guy,
Like who knows what could happen? And so I just
took the chance and I did it and then and yeah,
I mean it was really hard though, because for me,
I had to make sure school was like still gonna
(09:07):
be there. Like I had to talk with my program.
I was like, are you guys okay with me doing this?
I flat out told them. I was like if you
say no, like that's fine, Like I'm still gonna stay
in school, like that's my priority here. And they were like, no,
it's fine, Like we'll figure it out for you if
that's what you really want to do. So that's kind
of how I got thrown into things.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So you go on the show and I just have
a I'm curious about your mindset going on and I
this stems from being at the Unforgettable Gala MM because
it was so fun watching people like freak out over you.
And Haley and I were talking about it and she
was like, we were saying, like it was such an amazing,
(09:45):
huge deal that you were the first Asian American.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
To be the Bachelorette, to be a lead.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, and I don't think that people can grasp the
significance of it.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Me too, I don't even grasp the significance of it sometimes.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, So I wanted to know, like, when you went
on Joey's season, did you have any mindset because no one,
no one who was Asian American had even been thought
of as a lead. I guess Kayla who was on
ben season with me, she was considered, yes, for the
bachelorette role.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
But was there a part of.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Even call back to Kayla impressive she.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Was on my I mean, but I'm curious when you
went on did was there ever a thought that I
could be the lead of this show?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
No? Not, not even a little bit. I it just
wasn't even in my review mirror because at the time
when I was like in the show with Joey, I
was like, oh, I love him, like this is it,
you know, And then coming off of it, I was like, Oh,
I'm so happy to be back in school, Like I'm
like so excited to like finish out school. I only
have like a year left, Like it's I like had
(10:50):
had my time on TV, Like it was cool such
a fun experience, like now I'm back to normal life.
And then when I got the call ABT the that Trett,
I was just like I didn't know it was an option.
I was shocked and like confused about what I was
gonna do because again, school was such a huge factor
for me, and I also had to think of it
(11:12):
long term. I was like, if I if school says no,
like am I still Like if my school says I
can't go back? Would I take the opportunity? And my
what's my life gonna look like after that? So it
was just a lot of change happening. But in terms
of being the first Asian American bacherette, like I, yeah,
I don't know. It wasn't something that I thought of.
(11:33):
And it was funny because after Joey's season all the
stuff started coming out about because I was never really
a big Bachelor fan until I watched like Matt James
the season for the first time, and I loved that.
But I was never really a huge fan, so I
didn't know like who's the bacherette, who's been the Bachelor
all this stuff until like people started saying stuff of
like oh, Jem's the first, like Mono racial Asian to
like get a first one on one date with somebody,
(11:56):
which I was like, that's huge, crazy, And then people
were like, oh, we've never had an Asian bachelorette before,
Like what if jensa bacherette? And I was like, that's
crazy that they've never had one before. And I think
I've really seen the impact of it after the season,
just having so many people reach out to me saying
(12:17):
that they've never seen someone like me on screen before.
And I felt that before too. Growing up, I've never
really had someone to look up to who was Asian
American and who told their stories well and who told
their stories with vulnerability. So it was really amazing to
see how many people's hearts I touched and how many
people I inspired, And that was like the most beautiful
thing that really came out of it for me.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Like when we were at the gala, Haley and are
afterwards we were talking about and she was like a
lot of people in that room like Jen is such
a huge deal because those people never saw themselves as
the lead of a reality specifically the Bachelor, And how
cool that you got to be the first to be
that rep so now can watch it and be like,
(13:01):
I can be the lead of the show.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think it even extends beyond like
the lead of a show. It's like the lead of
your own life, because I think so oftentimes when you're
a kid, you're growing up and you're you're you want
to be someone who's on TV, right, Like, not like
someone is on TV, but you want you look up
to the people who are on right.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Whether that's you find your role model.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, that's how you find your role models, whether it's
reality TV or even just a movie or whatever. You're like, Oh,
that person's inspiring. I want to be like them. And
to grow up not having anyone look like you to
aspire to be is tough because then you're like, oh,
but where do I belong in this world? What's my identity? Like?
Why is no one? Why is there no one I
could relate to? So, yeah, it is really incredible to
(13:45):
be a role model. It's also a lot of pressure. Yeah,
that's a lot of pressure. But I'm so happy that
so many people could relate to me and could feel
inspired by me, And I just hope that there's like
more of it.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I feel like you just like when you say you
weren't expecting to be the bachelorette and like all, like
I really genuinely believe you, and like I feel like
a lot of people in the past have said, like, no,
I didn't do it, could cut you know, to be
the lead, and like I never believed them, but like
I genuinely believe you. And I remember when we met
(14:37):
at JoJo's Cupshy event.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I was like so blown away, just how like normal
and cool you, Like I didn't get cool. I think
it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Like I didn't get any ego, I didn't get any
like anything from you, Like it was just like you
were so cool and down to earth. So I'm just
like so happy that you had that, like that you
were the first and that you have that like as
like something that you can always hold on too, because
I just feel like you're so.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Cool, You're so sweet, thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And genuine like I really I feel that. But I
also feel like they did you dirty.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yes, I was about to say I too felt like
they did you dirty those guys.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, listen, I've it was a whirlwind, and I think.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Did you have time to recover from that?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Like how long was that there wasn't time, like no,
because I had hours.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, I had that night.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Well, I ran off of stage at AFR and then
I got to my dressing room and that was when
I was caught. They told me I was gonna be
on Dancing with the Stars and then I had to
hop on a flight in forty five minutes. So it
was like I never really had time to sit and
think about what happened to me.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And blessing and a curse.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yes, yes, no, Like it was such emotional whiplash because
I was such a low low and then suddenly I
was like, oh my god, dancing with the Stars, Like
I've always wanted to be on Dancing with the Stars. Like,
if anything, I manifested Dancing with the Star because I
remember watching it growing up and being like, oh, I
love dancing. You would love to just learn how to
dance and like maybe I'll become a pro one day
and like get dance classes and like be really good,
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which obviously never happened. But and then and then I
got on it, which is crazy. But it was such
a whirlwind, and I think that I'm so happy now.
I'm so happy with the way things turned out. But
there is like a part of me that I think,
you know, I haven't called my therapist back for a reason,
and I've been ignoring your phone calls, and I just
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that's the worst.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, that's the worst. And they're like checking in like hey,
I'm like.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Hey girl, I'm so busy. I love I want to
do a session. I was so busy.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Check backtircle back in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Twenty twenty five to on my TV list is to
call my therapist back because I'm sure there's so much
unpacking to do to really get to the depths of
all of it, because when you go through such a
huge public betrayal like that, like there's definitely some deep
wounds in there that I have to unpack, but overall
I'm very happy.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, So there's also that.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, I think it's you know, you have this moment
on TV which, like you said, deep betrayal and hurt
and from.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
What for people that are listening that may not know
what went down in like a cliff notes version.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah, I got engaged on the Bachelorette, was very very happy,
thought I met the man of my dreams. And then
shortly after we got engaged and we were off the show.
He had turned out to be someone completely different and
then we broke up. He broke up with me, and
then I, yeah, he didn't even give me a chance
to have a conversation with him in person before like
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this live finale that we had to do for the show,
and he kept leading me on and whatever. And then
the first time I had to see him was on
stage live in front of an audience and hash out
our breakup together, and he was a completely different person
than I had gotten engaged to at that time when
I had seen him again, So it was really crazy.
And then all the stuff that happened after the fact
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was really the craziest part. And he just like had
all this stuff come up about his past and restraining
orders and whatnot. So yeah, I just the biggest betrayal
is that he turned out to be someone that I
didn't know at all.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
How scary is that?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Though?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Very yeah, very the biggest betrayal is that he was
cast to be on the show to date someone.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well, how are they supposed to know?
Speaker 5 (18:17):
They?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Okay, I'm not excuses for anybody, but like, I just
feel like, how scary that this person was able to
like swindle you into like thinking that they were somebody
that they weren't and then like boom, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I mean it's it's it was crazy what happened to you.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
It was. It was really crazy. It's not something you
see every day.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Did you also feel when you watched the proposal? When
they made you watch it was that total shock, but
it felt like it like it felt like you had
no idea that was going to happen.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Yeah, they definitely. So they told me that that was
what was going to happen, and I was like, okay, great,
I want him to watch it back and like, because
at that time, I was like, you know, like I
can't believe you promised me the world and now you're
telling me that you didn't kind of thing, which is
what we were going through. But when I was on stage,
I think I didn't realize how emotional I was gonna
be seeing him again, being in that environment again, rehashing everything,
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and so watching it back was was really hard. It
was really really hard.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, Like I just like what you experienced was so gnarly,
but then to do it in a public forum is
like a whole nother level. Yes, So I have so
many questions about that. But do you have you spoken
to him since.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Since after the final Rose. We had a couple of
texts exchanged about everything that went down, things that happened
after the fact. I was getting dms of him like
traveling with an ex girlfriend of his, like before the show,
like had come out that we were working up whatever.
So it was just like it was a lot for
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me to go through because then things started coming out.
So we're texting a little bit. But since then, was it.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Like he apologized and you were just kind of like, what.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Like it's not like, you know, it's not like it
had like a nice little bow on it and you
put that in the past.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
No, but my bow was knowing that at the end
of the day he I listen, I wish him well
and I really hope that he gets some therapy and
you know, like really works through whatever demons he's fighting.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
You know what Jojo Siwa says, Karma.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Is a bitch, says Karma as a cat.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, bitch is so much better. Do you agree?
Speaker 5 (20:47):
And exactly like, listen, I I just want him to
be healed, and I really do wish him the best
and I'm so happy that he is out of my life.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Okay, so that's that's that's that I want it.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
But it is a box in the past.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The yes, okay, that's where that's where LO was.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Knowing that he wasn't a great person to me and
was cheating on me. And that was the bow that
I didn't I didn't get married to him. I didn't
have kids with him.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Like, thank god, you have emotionally yourself voted up in
the past, which is the best thing to do. Yeah,
what is it like except the apology and ever get
or something like that along.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
So that's that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Then you get told that you're going on Dancing with
the Stars. Yes, do you get any saying who you're
partnered up with?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
It's random?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
No, especially last minute like that. God. No, they were
just like, oh, this is who your partner is. This
is like okay. And I remember I was in the
airport and they were like, oh, he's there, and I
was like, okay, I have to google social farbar because
I don't know he looks Google type. Of course. All
his photos are shirtless. He doesn't wear it. The man
does not wear a shirt. I looked around, who's the
one shirtles guy in the airport? That's Sasha. He was
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wearing this button down and one and all the way
at the bottom was but no other buttons were buttoned.
I was like, that'scial Farmer perfect.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
It was like cold on the airplane. Yeah, chili, chili.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
The man doesn't get cold.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
So this is my favorite thing about life. Right.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You go through this public, like brutal heartbreak in front
of everybody, right, and then this beautiful opportunity comes into
your life where you get to meet someone who seemingly
as of now feels like they're going to be in
your life for a long time. And you've created this
bond WITHID and had the bad thing not happened, the
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good the better thing probably wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
I agree, And.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I think so yeah, because I think that they put
you on Dancing with the Stars because of the outcome
of the show, like you ended up happily engaged with
this man.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I don't know what would have happened, but all I
know is I had a call with the executive producer
of Dancing with Stars like two weeks before the finale.
They were like, it's not happening, like so sorry, And
usually they do a big happy announcement, right, like I
think with charity. They did like a happy announcement on AFR.
So like, when I got off of stage at AFR,
I was like that, no happy announcement is happening, And
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I was told that it was a pretty last minute
decision in that moment.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So okay, so that you're probably right now.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And I just think that's such a lesson in like,
and let's say, even if it had been the plane
that you were gonna go on the show.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Right right, would it have affected this relationship? Like things
just would have been very you would have had a
very different cherience.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
And I so agree, And I think that's been the
best lesson to come out of this, is that no
matter how bad something that you're going through is, if
you just keep pushing, eventually it's gonna get better. And
like sometimes you'll get surprised by like the best opportunity
of your life, Like you don't know what's on the
other side of that door. So that's really like my
biggest life lesson is like, no matter how bad a
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situation seems, a relationship seems like if you leave, who
knows what's on the other side of them?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So, so you opened an their door too, where's a
dance partner.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
By the way, I love his name just Sasha. I
love the name Sasha. I like, I'm obsessed with it.
I just it's really not important to this conversation.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
But you were about your love for his name.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I just love his name, Like I think everybody should
name their children Sasha.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, it's growing on me, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, Like, do you like this Sasha Junior as a name.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
For for whose kids? Here we're talking? You know, I
think it's a really cool name. I don't really call
him Sosha all though. Often though, if I do, what
do you call them? Babe? Honey? Oh it's just babe.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well, because he's your boyfriend, right, I don't.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
I don't know if that's uh confirmed your died yet?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Why why I need to know why? Because there's there's
all these articles.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Threw me off. I thought you guys were just friends.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Oh, he's Australian, so he calls everybody babe. So we
started off for a dance partnership calling each other babe
because he just calls me babe all the time. He
also calls everybody else babe, So now I also call
everybody babe too.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
But what's his name for you that he doesn't call
everybody else?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He calls me babe and honey.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
That's that's unatt Does he call everyone else honey? I
think so they are cool people that do that.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yes, did I walk in here every morning? Hey babe?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So here's my question, because we're doing frantic research trying
to figure out where things lie in your relationship, in
your dating life. Right, lots of conflicting articles, some straight
some interviews straight from you that you're keeping your life private,
but there's a lot of footage and photos that that
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course say otherwise.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I am just having fun. Listen. I share what I
want to share on social media because it's fun, Like
making tiktoks is fun, doing a little dancing tiktoks with
Sasha is fun, And it's like a nice creative outlet
for me and I just I share what I want
to share, and I keep things private where I want
to keep things private. And now I'm not like I
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don't have a mastermind plan. Like it's so funny because
everyone online is like, she's gonna announce this on this
date because she said this and liked this comment and
did that. I'm like, guys, I'm really not as cool
as Taylor Swift. I don't have this.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Grand plan that'd be pretty epic.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
It would be very epic, but it's just it's not me.
I am just like taking life one day at a
time and like trying to navigate everything as best as
I can. You guys are unsatisfied.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
No, no, no, I really like I'm very naive and
I just like had no idea that there was like
even a question, like I'm like that of course they're dating, Like,
of course that's her boyfriend. Like I literally didn't even
think that it was a thing. And then I started
googling and realized there was all these reports saying like no,
they're not Yes they are, And I was like.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I am one hundred percent on board of keeping you anything.
We were dating like private, right because I was with
my girlfriend for four years before we were publicly. Yeah,
so but we didn't go to anything to get like
there is no footage of us out on the internet
or that we were posting, so there was you know,
it's pretty private.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
I just think and I agree with that, and I
I think moving forward with my life, I just I
don't know. After going through a very public breakup. It's
just not the time for me or maybe ever to
like announce something, to launch something to like I don't,
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I don't know. It's just not for me. And I'm
really just living my life one day at a time
and trying to do the best I can do with
and being as comfortable as I am and like being
as vulnerable as I can be online. And that's it
is what it is. And I think, honestly, like I'm
not launching anybody anything until I'm like pregnant, Like why it's.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Wait, do you think, Okay, do you think I'm going
to about to get like deep here? Do you think
that there's something psychological there because of what you went
through that you're like, I'm not gonna like believe, not
really put myself, not even about the public thing, Like
I'm not really gonna believe it until it's like.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
There probably yeah. I mean, when you go through such
a huge public betrayal, it it triggers so many beds
in you and for me, I just like I need time.
I need time to like believe, I need time to trust.
I need time.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Right right because you didn't have that with this guy.
And now that's like probably your biggest thing is like, Okay,
time does tell all?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Time really tells all? Yeah, yeah, that's like so that's
something that I'm like living by now, whether it's friends, men,
like whatever, it is, like.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You know what else tells all? Living together.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Had such a research.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Sasha has had a lot of public relationship and divorce,
and so has he been able to just like be
I just feel like, regardless of what y'all status is,
I feel like you'll have this relationship where I feel
like him being your partner specifically healed a part.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Of you that we got to watch, of course, I felt.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I mean we've got to watch it happen every dance,
you know.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean it was such a special time in
my life and I think it wouldn't have worked with
any other pro on the show like it was. The
pairing that was made was very much like by intervention
and like he's been through it, you know, with what
his stuff, and I've been through it, so it was
very healing for the both of us for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, that season, I feel like Dancing with the Stars
hit like a little bit of a lull where, like
I agree, it.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Was like kind of like nobody was really talking about
it and then.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Watching for a little this season, it was like he
popped up, popped off off.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, it cooked, it cooked it it ate.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
I don't have one.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
We took them already there.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Sad.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah. Social media. I think like everybody was on their
social media game this season, Olona, Me, Joey Chandler, who
else is Riley Steven? Like they were all so good
with their social media game, and I think because of
that it really propelled Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, it was. It was a fun season.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Did you if you look back on this past year,
what was something that you look back and you're like,
I'm so proud of myself for.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
That, so so many moments. I will have to say
after the final rows, I'm really really proud of myself
for getting through that. I think if you had told
me that I would have had to have a conversation
with someone live on TV and get out all the
things that I needed to get out and like still
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be stern and not like roll over, especially with someone
that I had previously loved. I don't think I could
have because usually I'm very I'm like a pushover, like
and the fact that I was able to stand my
ground on live TV. I'm very, very proud of myself.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, I mean that would make me feel like I
can handle anything in a relationship. I'm like, yeah, this
is in the privacy of my own home, easy. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Yes, I feel much more confident in speaking out about
like my boundaries now and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Yeah, what a crazy year, crazy crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Are you close with the girls for from your season?
I feel like y'all had a.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
From the Battle of Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have
a few good friends from their Taylor Star. Yeah. But
I mean I'm still really good friends with a lot
of them, like Daisy and Kelsey. They live in LA
so that's really nice. We had a really great group
of girls. Yah, y'all had a really I was really sweet.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I also didn't realize you were a classically trained uh.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was a lot of my life.
It's funny because when you're a kid, you're like, when
someone's telling you to do something, like my mom telling
me to practice piano and whatnot, I'm like, no, I
don't want to do that because I hate being told
what to do. But I'm so glad that she pushed
me through it. But now I'm also kind of like
I wish I had kept up with it because it's
been so long now since I've played that. It's not
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I'm at the same level that I used to be at,
but it's a really cool party trick every.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Now and then, Yeah, are you going to keep dancing?
Speaker 5 (32:57):
I would love to. I love too. So Amanda Flotes
does this like heels class every Monday night. She's been
texting me to go, So I'm gonna go. It's like
sexy dancing dancing almost but no poll just like sexy
dancing without the polls. It's almost like maybe we're last dancing. No.
She just goes to them, posts videos of it and stuff,
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and she just always looks so confident and cool, and
so I'm like, I want to do that too. So
I messaged her and she messaged me, So I'm gonna
go to the class with her. It's just a good
way to keep up with it, I think. So we'll see.
We'll see. But I loved ballroom dancing so much, but
I don't know if there's like a lot of adult
ballroom classes around.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
So I actually just started looking into this because so
embarrassing are you doing?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Are you doing it?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
No for my wedding.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Okay, So my friend, nice friend of mine put it
in my head, like maybe you and Robbie should take
some dance classes before your wedding, and I was like,
I'd never thought about it.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
And then I was like, yeah, we're gonna like to high.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Schoolers at prom, just like swaying back and forth for
our first dance.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
And I was like, I probably.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Should like look into some dance classes and like make
it somewhat of like a cool dance so we don't
look like we're like.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
How is that working? Did you find I haven't.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Found anything yet, so you're not wrong that it's not
easy to find.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
It's not, yes exactly, it's like I don't know. They
don't have it for the adults, and I'm right, I
don't know. Sasha can help.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Does he do like freelance work?
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Yeah, it does. Chances that would be fun, that would
be really fun. Just come over, come over.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I should invite.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Because our first song is a It's an Invisible String
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, that is so cute.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But like if we don't have some cool moves, we're
literally just gonna look like two teenagers.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Sasha, we'll teach you and it'll be amazing and we'll
it'll just we'll just have a little barbecue and then
we'll like.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
It'll be dancing simple. Yeah yeah yeahs face done it before.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
He's done a lot of first dances before this. And
this is great because then I'll be there too to
kind of help, because it's it's hard when like someone's
teaching you somebody else's moves kind of thing also teaching.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
So this is great and Becca can come and we
can have drinks. Yes, this will be yeah, really came
full circle.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
We'll teach you some yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
And then I Hayley's a dancer, so she's press Yeah,
I'll be like to see what about this?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
You ever seen this? So you went to the Taylor
Switch concert in Vancouver?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
What was her surprise songs?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Wasn't her last show you went to?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I went to the last show and I went to
the Friday show. She did a mix up of a
few songs memory, but she did a few. I was
really happy about long Live at the last one because
that's one of my favorite songs too. I thought she
was gonna do it during her speaking now portion, but
then she saved it for the mashup.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
So I was we got a Long Lived too, didn't we?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
She we had it in the set and then she
took it out because of torture Post's apartment.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yes, but that was very fitting for her to end
it with Long Live. But I think she's going to
come back and do a show in La. Why do
you think that?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
So I've heard this because there's like a break in
the football stadium.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
I don't know about that. But she schedule, I don't
know about that. But she at the end of every
city that she visits, she makes an Instagram post saying goodbye,
like thank you so much. She never did one for La.
She hates this and no, let's be honest. She has
a team that does that for her. So she definitely
didn't just oh forgot.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
They didn't forget.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
She's an astronaut.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
So do you think it's because she filmed the LA one?
Speaker 5 (36:44):
So?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Like, So, I don't know, what.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Is your Taylor song, your Taylor Swift song that you
resonate with the mist in your life right now right now?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Hmmm, that is a good question, Lavender Hayes. I can
listening to that song so much. I love. Oh shocking,
it's like spicy. Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
What was your favorite dance style that you learned?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Ooh, I really loved I'm trying to think of what,
Like tango was cool, Waltz was cool, fox trot was cool.
I really liked the inframe ones because I loved wall
ball was so fun. So one of those probably probably
the fox trot that was fun.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Which is the one where y'all slid on your knees
at each other, the Passago Wow, oh.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
We we know when we slid into each other. The
Vienie Waltz.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, there's so many that the fans love that.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Okay, so this is my last question about your relationship. Okay,
or you're not whatever, whatever we call it. You post
a photo of you two, a collection of photos, and
you said the photos you grimlins have been one ding
or asking for.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
I know what the people want. I've seen the comments.
I'me gonna sit here in lines. I haven't seen I've
seen what everybody wants. So I just gave him what
the people want.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
But then people are like, oh my god, it's official,
and then you're just like, nope.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Is it? Is it not? We'll never know we'll never know.
I'll never know. My mom will never know.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Your mom doesn't know know.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Why? What is there to know?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Just if you're single or not?
Speaker 5 (38:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Does your brother I got to meet your brother at
Unforgettable Gallup?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Yes you did. Yeah, he's great. I miss it.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Would you ever do the dating apps?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
God? No? Really, God no, it's too weird having your
life out there and like not everyone's seeing the badge rappe.
But I still think it's too weird that I you
just you can never be sure about someone's intentions. I
think if I went on hint or something and then like.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
But you can never be sure of anyone's intentions in
real life either. Yeah, what's the difference between that app?
Speaker 5 (38:55):
No, you're you're right, You're actually right. I don't know.
It's just something about being on fine, yeah, may please.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I feel as though a dating app man might be
better than in real life man.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
And plenty of people do, know, so many people do.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
It's not even about that. It's more like I and again.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
You are so anti dating apps before, Robbie.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
That I'm trying to push her to not maybe be
so harsh on it, because you could be single right
now for all we know.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
I think for me though, here's the thing is, I'm
very quick to judge somebody online at least, which is bad.
It's not good. But if I I fall in love
with people's personalities very easily once I get to know them.
And for me, I'm swiping left all day long until
(39:49):
I don't know, dreamy dreamy comes up. Then I get
one right swep. You know, but that's not realistic for me, Like,
I need more. I need personality, and you can't really
get personality through app, I think.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
So I got to take it to person real fast.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, yeah, to like drinks and stuff. But I just yeah,
I don't know. I think I would be missing some
really good eggs. Yeah on the online.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Who's your like? Who's your celebrity crush? What's your type? Physically?
I know it's more about personality, but just if you
were just like, oh, oh.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
I love Chris Evans. He's been my celebrity crush for.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
The Eastern celebrity crush.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Really okay, so we'll tag team him together with Pleasure.
We'll both go see you.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
That is a good one.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
I love him. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Well, I have like a random question because I feel
like it's the holidays and everybody has a little bit
of like time on their hands. What's the last show
that you binge that you were like obsessed with?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Tell me lies really good? Have you seen it?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
That's the one with Grace ben Patten, right, I.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Don't know that.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
That's the one that you keep telling me to watch.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, so season too. Yes, Okay,
I haven't finished Sae.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
I haven't finished it either, but I love it. Okay,
it's okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Just co announced for season three.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Really that just broke I remember I was on that
show for the longest time and all my friends were like,
what is it? I was like, you have to watch it,
you have to watch it.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
The season one was crazy, so crazy?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, so good, so good.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
You like me, You like toxic things.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
If you're like me, not mad, not mad, not mad,
not mad.
Speaker 5 (41:21):
I very me too, me too, But I like the
show is very traumatic and toxic and it's nice to watch.
Not to It's not your real life, yes anymore.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
It used to be not anything interesting.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, you're about eight months out from that situation.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yes, No, I've like crazy enough. I have dated a
lot of crazy people like I don't all.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
What is that? Is it the thrill? Like, do you
think there's a thrill in that?
Speaker 5 (41:47):
I think I'm a very empathy empathetic person, and I
think I tracked a lot of narcissistic people. Is what
I've read online is what happens when you're very empathetic,
like the narcissism to.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Did you have when you you were do like in hindsight, now,
after everything that happened with the person that you chose
on the Bachelorette, did you look back and have moments
where you're like, oh, I noticed that and I ignored it?
Or were you was it like completely he completely fooled
you and you had no it was just like no
red flags.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
No red flags. But kind of apparently I was wiping
away the red flags all season, so maybe I didn't
see the red flags.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, maybe you have a blinders onto the red flags.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Yeah I did, But now now I I think I
can spot a red flag if it came at me glaringly.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
No peripheral, just see me straight on.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
You have to be out of its back.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Do you have plans for the New Year, for the
meeting like New Year's Eve?
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Oh? Do you what are you guys doing.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Yes, I do have plans.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Oh what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I will be in New York City?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Are you watching the ball drop? Hang out? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:00):
That's cool my friends. There's just gonna like go out.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Oh, that'll be fun. I've never been to the city
for New Year's if I don't think.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
But we were talking before we started rolling about just
New Year's even gentlemen, and I feel like it is
such an interesting holiday because it's true. It's like there's
so much expectation around it, so much, and then you
really like, I don't want to do anything deep down.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
Like my soul. I want to stay home.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
You should because you want to like start the new
year off right.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah. Yes, I go through this dilemma. I feel like
every year. Every year. Yeah, I'm like, I want to
do it big. I want to dress up. No, no, no,
and then one I either get disappointed or two I
end up staying home. And I think every year I've
stayed home, it's been really great.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I love being at home. We're probably going to stay
home and make vision boards or something.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
So you on many of those.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, it's very wholesome.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
Yeah, like have some good food, some good drinks, stay
in your pjs like thak of vision Board low key.
And also I hate like standing in line for a
bar or something like.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
That's if I have to stand in line, don't and
buye me. That's how I feel.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I hate that.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
I'm just like to go in and what yeah, land around. Yeah,
well that's a rise stand in line? Yeah me too, but.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Like standing in line to like be bumped around. Yeah no,
it's just why let me go home?
Speaker 5 (44:27):
Yeah, And I feel like that's a big thing with
New Yor's Eve is everyone's buying tickets to something, yeah,
and then it just gets crowded and you're waiting in lines,
and it's it's never as good as it seems.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
It's it's never as good as Instagram makes it a lot.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Yes, I remember when you're in Boston. I was like,
it's gonna be the best new Ys ever. I made
all my friends buy tickets to this like really cool
like hotel, downtown party whatever. I thought it was gonna
be the best time in my life. The Instagram videos
seemed really fun. We get in there, it's the age
range is like sixty to eighty. We literally accidentally signed
(44:59):
up for like senior home like New Year's Eve event.
But I have to say it was really fun. I
didn't get a New Year's kiss, but it was the
best time of my life. The old people really know
how to do it up.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yes, we had to.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
We went to We drove to Tahoe for New Year's
EEP one year and did the same thing. It was
like the hotel we were checking and they're like, oh,
we're throwing a masquerade, Like do you guys want to
buy tickets? And we were like, sure, what else are
we gonna do, like stay in our hotel room, So
by tickets to this masquerade and it was like older
people and we had a blast. They gave us like
masquerade masks and like we didn't know a single person
(45:36):
there and had like the time.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Of our lives.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
That's what you make it.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
It is what you make it.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Do you do?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
You find the couch you're sleeping on quite cozy? Are
you ready to be in a in like a bed
m in the New Year?
Speaker 4 (45:51):
You sleep on his couch.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
I love the couch, which is really great. It's really great.
It's green, it's one of my favorite colors. It's comfy
right next to the fires, it's never cold. We'll see
I don't know. Maybe we'll find a new couch, but
maybe we'll stay there. I don't know. I don't know.
How are you guys doing how?
Speaker 3 (46:18):
I'm like amazed by the just like the dodging questions
left and right.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
It's really you're getting worse at them.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
I have to say, you're on the couch. She's couch
hopping with a friend, couch surfing, couch surfing.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
But you're not going to many couches. Just one couch
so far.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
Just one couch.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, so far the new year, new couch. Potentially there
we go.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Yeah, because I guess you can't really get at lease
till March.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
Right. Well, I still have my apartment in Miami, but
now I'm gonna have to upsize. Is that a word.
I'm gonna have to get a new apartment because my
pr is through the roof and I live in a
one bedroom and I've been having my home friends like
come to my apartment and pick up my packages, water
the plants. I don't have plants, but they open my
mail and they've been setting me photos the progress photos
(47:09):
of my living room getting progressively smaller because of all
the packages in it, which is why I'm going home
in January just to like sort out the package situation.
But I'm gonna have to get a new apartment and
have like a package room because it's getting crazy.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Isn't that crazy? How life?
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Like you make one decision and said yes to going
on the show and now it's just.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
It's been crazy. It's really crazy.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
The butterflies.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
It's been the greatest ride of my life. But I'm
such a pessimist because I'm like, Okay, when is the
shoe gonna drop? When is my downfall? I know?
Speaker 4 (47:45):
But she can't think like that.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
No, I know.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Very bad, it's very bad because like at the end
of the day, even like I used to think this
way too about my relationship, Like I was like, okay,
just like everything's just going too well, like gonna drop.
And I was talking to my therapist about it, and
she was like, even when you're married and you have kids,
the shoe, you know what I mean, Like the shoe
can always drop and people think, oh, I just need
to get I just need to get engaged, or I just
(48:08):
need to get married and then I'll feel safe and
then whatever.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
But it's like the shoe can always drop totally.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
So it's like you just have to get that mentality
out of your head.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
Okay, So mine was.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Always just like I just need to get engaged.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
I need to get engaged because then we're like official
and like that's safe area.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
But then it's like it's not.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
But it's not because it's something could still happen.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
You never know.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
Yes, so to just be more present and just enjoy
the time that you're having rather being anxious in the future.
Very true.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
Here's my question. Would you be open to doing another
reality show?
Speaker 5 (48:40):
It depends on what show it is, Special.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Forces, maybe Traders.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
Maybe I haven't watched it, so I don't know. I've
heard it. I've heard it's like Mafia, Yeah, which is fun.
I've done that with my friends. I would have to
watch it to know for sure. My type of show,
Survivor's not my Idealistically, like my my cool brain thinks
(49:05):
that I could do that. I could not. I could
never do that. I'm not slipping naked in the jungle
like it's not happening. I love my curling iron I'm
not that cool amazing race. Maybe that sounds really fun, yeah,
but I really want to do like a cooking show
like British Baking show. No, I'm not British Night and
I do bake, but I'm not like as amazing, but
(49:27):
like Chopped or something.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
You can check out Crime Scene Kitchen.
Speaker 5 (49:29):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (49:30):
It's good?
Speaker 5 (49:31):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (49:32):
It's like okay, so it's on Fox. It's hosted by
Jewel McHale. Okay, and basically they like make something in
a kitchen and you have like they leave it clues
as to what it is. Oh, you figure out what
between the clues like what to bake, and then you
all have like however long to bake the thing?
Speaker 4 (49:46):
That's fine, really fine, Oh I want to go.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Some people get it really wrong and they end up
making this like delicious, elaborate thing and it's just like wrong.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
They take nobody so that don't know how to cook.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
I don't think you're nobody, but they probably would love
the fact that it only is it.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
They feel they feel talented.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
No, maybe they'll do a celebrity edition.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
I know I'm talentless.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
It's not true actually at all.
Speaker 5 (50:10):
Well, I'm not an amazing bit like like I can bake,
but I need like a recipe, like I'm not just
like this is how much.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Coke, Like if you tried, like Marlapan and like whatever,
that is like a souple that it's amazing, it's impressive.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, I am just so happy for you, and it's
so fun to get to talk to you. Like obviously
we've been trying to get you on the show for
a long time, but I'm so happy that we got
to have you in a season of joy and confidence
and happiness because I know it's been like such a
crazy year for you, and I think we both are
(50:46):
just so happy for you.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Whatever life comes, whatever, Thank you. No, I'm so happy
that we got to do this, and we can't wait
to get drinks in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
We are.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
We're gonna teach Tanya how yeah to do a first dance. Yeah,
and and then we'll have drinks at the same butt.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
That feels like the perfect the dream.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
Yeah, we love you, We wish you the best work,
and people follow.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
You on all things Instagram, TikTok, snapchat, gentry in that's
all that simple and easy.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Snapchat's actually it's popping on.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I know it cooks there.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
People are baking.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Yeah, yes, yes, the nothing new in it baked.
Speaker 5 (51:27):
I just made it up.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Oh, you heard it here.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
It works. Yeah, it's broiling.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Are you traveling for Christmas?
Speaker 5 (51:37):
I am Boston tonight.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Is this your first time back home?
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
It's been a while, Boston, Miami, Vietnam, and then back
to Miami.
Speaker 5 (51:50):
La, in LA. I'll be here in and out, in
and out, I know, for in and out.
Speaker 4 (51:57):
Twenty five.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
I'll see you in twenty twenty five. Bye.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
You acome to be continued.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Oh
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