Prenups in Paradise

Dean is back! We have a lot of questions for him after seeing his promo for Bachelor in Paradise. 

Sean Lourdes and his fiancé Megan Thomas from “Marrying Millions” on Lifetime tell Dean, Vanessa & Jared how to know if someone is dating for love… or for money. And Tina Wilson, founder of the Wingman app, explains why a wingman is beneficial when dating.

And why you should put your friends in charge of your love life

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
I Suck Good Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared and
I heart radio podcast. Hey what's going on? Welcome to
an all new episode of help I Suck At Dating.
My name is Jared Haven, joined all the way from
Montreal with the beautiful Vanessa Grimaldi. Oh, I love how
you rolled yours. That's so European. It wasn't my best role.

(00:23):
You just got back from Europe, didn't you. I just
got back from Europe. I was in Paris and then
I was in Italy with the family. Um, but feels
good to be back. Three weeks vacation for me. I
feel like ten days is a good vacation time. More
than that, I just get like homesick. So I'm happy
to be back. Yeah, three weeks you get really homesick.
I've been there, and it's like, okay, after ten days,
I agree with you. Ten days, I'm kind of ready

(00:45):
to go back home. M Also, obviously, Mark and Easton
are in studio. Dean is um here. He's driving here,
and that's important because we have a lot to ask
him about as far as Paradise goes. Yes, I've asked
him to share his location with me so I can
give you all time updates of how far away he is? Okay,
how far is Dean? I don't know. Yeah, he hasn't
responded yet, but I've requested the location. All right. Well,

(01:06):
he did text us approximately ten minutes ago saying he
was thirty four minutes away. Ten minutes ago. Just about
maybe about fifteen minutes ago. It's hard to get on
my topic. That might be another hour. Okay, Well we'll see,
so we'll find out the van is about twenty minutes
away approximately. The question is does he have somebody else
in the van with it? And we have some obviously

(01:28):
breaking recent news from Bachelor in Paradise that involves our
very own Dean Anglert, So we're gonna catch up with
him later on in this podcast. But first we have
some very special guests that are in studio rate now
from the news show Marrying Millions, which UH premiered last Wednesday.
Second episode is tomorrow night, ten pm on Livetime. We

(01:49):
have Sean Laurdes and Megan Thomas in studio. Thank you
so much for joining us, guys, appreciate it. So tell
us about your new show, Marrying Millions, what it's about.
Because you two are engaged, you're engaged before the show,
but tell us a little bit about it. Well, one

(02:11):
of the individuals on on the show is a millionaire
and the other one is not is a millionaire, and
I am the girl from the small town that met
the man of her dream Megan. I am from a
small town and I am not a millionaire either, So
I certainly relate. I'm very I'm relating to you on

(02:32):
that one. Um. So, the whole show pretty much centers
around the story. Like you said, there's couples, one is wealthy,
one is not or not not wealthy, but obviously not
a millionaire. Um. And so the whole point of the show,
from my understanding, is that it really gets down to
the crunx crux of whether somebody is here for the

(02:52):
quote right reasons, which is thrown around Bachelor all the time,
right reasons, wrong reasons of whether somebody is dating someone
just because of their money, right or a gold digger? Right?
Are they a gold digger? A gold digger? And gold
diggers can be guys, they can be girls, they can
be and yeah, well, on the show, there's also someone
who's an older woman dating someone who's basically her daughter's age. Right,

(03:16):
there's six couples. So it's a docuseries and they follow
six couples. You're one of the six couples. And um,
there's also another couple, Jared, I want to see if
you know your if your math skills are really good.
There's another couple, Bill and Brianna. Bill is sixty, Brianna
is twenty one. Guess well, can you calculate what the
aged gap is? Yeah, they're thirty nine years good? Come on, guys,

(03:39):
Come on. The Rhode Island Public School system did me
no wrong? I barely passed. Um. So, Megan, is it
something that you Um? Is that the reason why you
wanted to do the show to kind of put an
end to like the the idea that people think people
marry for money. I wanted to the show. I actually

(04:01):
kind of made Sean do the show, and I'm like,
come on, it'll be fun because we just like new experiences.
We do things that the public doesn't really have access to,
so we just like unique experiences. So I'm like, let's
do this show. It sounds so fun. Yeah, totally. It's
kind of the same thing. Before we get asked to
go on Bachelor, people are like, why would you date
on TV. It's like, why not? You know, it's such

(04:23):
an incredibly unique opportunity. Why would I ever say no
to this if life has led me this way? Um,
but you guys were dating before the show. So you
guys have been together for how long? Five years? Just
about five years? And then you got engaged last year? Correct? Perfect?
And so now you guys now I know the show, uh,

(04:45):
circles all around the drama, right, and it might be
leading towards the idea, you know, whether you guys are
gonna stay engage, whether you're going to break off the engagement.
So you can't talk about wedding plans just yet, right,
You'll have to watch. Okay, I love that line. It
seems as though your relationship that was mostly the drama's
mostly around family. That's right. Sean's dad is, you know,

(05:10):
worried about securing the family's wealth, and so he's kind
of the one that's hesitant about us getting married. He's
on his third wife as well, that explains it. Yeah,
he has a prenup about two inches high with his
third one. He sent it to so long you wanted
me to just have Megan sign it right at the

(05:32):
bottom and without reading He's like, I'll just do it,
like at least she'll, you know, have some drinks. How
it works now, just you know, a little tipsy and
just sign right here, honey. Don't worry about it. It's
not like it's a pre nuptial agreement or anything. My
mom says it ruined her marriage with my dad. Oh well,

(05:56):
I wonder what was in the prenup though, because I
know a lot of couples who um well, personally, I
I've actually, uh, it's a subject that I've been thinking
about too, because I'm in a relationship not nearly as
close to what you guys are five years as a kid, Like,
it's a very new relationship for me. But prenup has
always been a subject that I remember, like years ago,
I thought I would never sign a prenup because to me,

(06:20):
it's like, well why would It's almost like a contract, right,
So if this happens, then this is like these are
the consequences to that. And then as I start talking
to more people, it kind of just made more sense.
Like my families, My parents are divorced, and I know
a lot of people who are divorced as well, And
it's not only about assets. I think it's it's about
like other things too that come along with it. So

(06:40):
is that something that's totally off the table for you guys?
We you know, I want my Dad's very important to me.
I want him to be at the wedding, but he's
saying that he's you know, there there's no wedding without
a prenup, and so we're struggling with that right now.
We're just trying to make them both happy. Megan doesn't
want to be labeled as a gold digger, you know.
She's feels like if I sign that, you know, it

(07:02):
means I just want everybody happy. It's hard to make,
you know, it's impossible to make everybody happy. I mean,
I'm currently engaged right now, and it's tough with you know,
you have your own family that's supporting and loving you,
and then you also have your significant other, UM, who
you want to make happy. And it's difficult, right because
there's so many different personalities, there's so many people that

(07:23):
you care about deeply. It's really hard to know what
the right decision is. UM. But my question is, actually,
because I'm a little naive within this subject, what exactly
is a pre numb Because I know it's it's signed
before you get married, right does it? Could do it
after marriage? Okay, you can do it afterwards. Yeah, I
mean there. You can also put sunset clauses in it,

(07:44):
I mean their meaning if you're successful in your marriage
for ten years, it becomes null. You know, you can
do that. There's a lot of things like that that
that my dad was mentioning. We can, you know, make
tell Megan that, like, hey, wasn't there something if the
woman gains thirty pounds or something that you have to
get it the worst, no way. And your death contract.

(08:07):
He has something like that. I don't remember the exact
details of it, but something alto Yeah, small print paragraph three,
line four. Um, that's very interesting. So Megan, what is
your apprehension was signing a pre nump? I also think
it's like a contract, like a business agreement. You know,

(08:28):
we're not even married yet, and you want you think
that I'm going to like take the family's money. I
think it creates this trust and I don't want to
print up interesting, very interesting. I think from an outsider's perspective,
it's tough because I can see both sides of it.
Because I can obviously see your father's side, saying, hey,
it's not that I think my future daughter in law

(08:49):
is a quote unquote gold digger. But things happen right
and you can't predict the future. But I also see
because he was married three times, so I totally understand
where he's coming from. And like I said, my parents
are divorced too, So now I understand the value of
a prenup. But it's it's not for everybody. It's not
to say that everybody needs to do that. But enough
for the heavy talk. We we know that this uh,

(09:11):
this show is about real relationship, real love. We want
to know, how did you guys meet. I was going
to u c l A. And Sean had a position
open at his foundation, the Lord has foundation, and so
I went to go apply for this job and he
was fifteen minutes late to the meeting, so I bounced
back to school and then he kind of just chased

(09:32):
me after that. I'm an interactive CEO. I like to
meet the people we were hiring. She had an impressive resume,
so I mean, I was like, this girl is straight a.
She's the captain of this at her high school. She
does this and this and and she's beautiful and she's
gorgeous with brains. I wanted to I wanted to meet her,
and uh when I went down, she was gone fifteen minutes.

(09:54):
I couldn't believe it. So I looked her up and
it took me a year and a half to get
her on the first date. Oh, I got that's so cute.
A year and a half. What where you're holding out
for Megan? I mean he was intimidating I like he
would have all these photos with actresses and fancy cars,
and I was kind of like, who is this guy? Actually?

(10:14):
See how you brought that up. I kind of want
to get to one of those pictures, which I am
fascinated by. So Sean, I may have looked you up
on the old the old Graham before he came in,
just to kind of familiarize myself with both of you guys.
You have a few awesome pictures. You have a picture
with you know, Barack Obama, Don Junior, you have a
picture with Dali Lama and Jim Carrey, which is freaking awesome.

(10:37):
But there's one picture that's so vague I have to
ask you about it. It just was last July four
or excuse me, two years ago. And it's a picture
of Kiana Reeves with with Sean Jr. Your child, and
it says happy four the July. Everyone, thank you Kiano

(10:58):
Reeves for keeping Sean Junior safe. Hashtag babysitting Did Keana
Reeves babysit Sean Jr. He's an awesome guy. I we
bumped into him in the Malibu Mark Market. He's always
there everyone I like see him. He's there like all
the time, Malibu Market, the Malibu Country Mark. Yeah, and

(11:23):
uh my mom saw him, loves him. We love him
in the Matrix. You don't think I can bend time.
He's point break Johnny. He's Shane Falcon. That dude's the man.
And he uh, you know, he babysit him. He baby
sat him for like that five seconds right there. You know,
it was just you know, he was nice enough to
hold him and take a picture from my mom. He's
He's really awesome. That's awesome. I know I had to

(11:44):
because I was just scrolling through and I'm a big
Kiana Reese fan, and obviously that dude is going through
a moment right now. He's the biggest name in the world. Uh.
And I it was such a vague picture of just
you and now I know your mother and your son,
and it just said babysit And I was like, is
this guy have Keanu rees as a babysitter right now?
And he's coming on our podcast. It's real money. Lionel

(12:08):
Richie is like his godfather though he's you know, like
he we have. We're very blessed to have a really
awesome group of friends and you know, we're you know,
we we've met wonderful people and they're all very supportive
of of our kids. Like I feel like their energy
just transformed like we were. Lionel rubbed Megan's belly, you know,

(12:31):
before he was born at Nobu. I feel like that
good energy passed on. And now he's like an actor himself.
He's like, you know, he's doing so many things. He's
got an agent in New York. He makes his own money.
He's he's got a little bank account three now he's three,
three and a half. He's three and a half with
an agent. Like god, I gotta get on. I'm thirty

(12:51):
and I'm just slacking right now. Um So, Sean, who
was your hesitation going on the show. My hesitation was,
you know, I'm kind of a more of a private guy.
And Megan came over and just asked me, you know,
six times, let's do it. Please, please, please, please, pleace.
So I just said, okay, you know, it would be
good to get the foundation out there a little more.

(13:14):
People need help with any kind of charity, you know,
help with their lives or something, you know, I want
to I would like them to come to our foundation
and ask for help. We're looking for a new program foundation,
the lord Is Foundation. What do we do a lot
of youth empowerment and education. You know, we used to
go to schools and talk to kids and not to

(13:36):
give up on their dreams. And then I just said,
you know, we can do a bigger impact. What can
we do? So I teamed up with his holiness the
Dalai Lama, brought him into you know, went down to
India State at his home and uh, he was so
generous and nice to fit me in because normally have
to wait five years to work with him. But he's like,
you know what, I believe in your cause. And so

(13:58):
he Uh, we rented out the stadium, the Forum Stadium
for him and hosted him in Los Angeles and and
gave five thousand tickets away to the inner city kids
that haven't really seen the beach. You know, they they're
that poor. So we bought my teamed up with another charity,
bust them in with their parents, their teachers and principles.
Five thousand tickets I gave for free, uh, which some

(14:21):
people were like, oh, we need to charge for those.
I'm like, now we're giving those for free. You know,
it's awesome. And we busted and the Dollar Lama said
it was this most youthful event he's ever done. That
was something nice. But if you work with the Doali Lama,
I don't think you're gonna want to work with me.
And we got you into the Dali Lama. You guys
are on the same. Yeah, we got a bush bucket

(14:45):
load of letters from the kids. It was so nice.
One was terminally ill and she's like, you're not going
to get you know, I'm not gonna be around when
you see this letter. But I just want you to
know that event changed my life. It was it was
just touching on the right path. And yeah, we did
an their event. The leaders of l a uh you
know underneath the Endeavor space shuttle that was you know,

(15:06):
all the head of the homeless shelters or like the
head of the studios. You know, it was all like
the who's who. And that's where Jim Carrey came. We
invited him because he really wanted He was really funny. Actually,
he saved me up on stage. I was trying to
be funny up there and with all the creators saying
something funny and then and then half of the room laughed,

(15:27):
so it was kind of and then he just made
a joke. Everyone laughed. I'm like, thank you, thank you,
thank you. Just give us Jim Carrey, though, I'm sure
your joke is funny. Well, I think that's a great
idea to do the show and get the exposure for
your foundation. Now that you've done the show, what can
you say has helped strengthen your relationship? Like, what are
the key ingredients to making a healthy relationship work? Oh?

(15:47):
Really easy. That one's communication. Megan's really big at communications.
Her degree at u c l a. Is communications, so
she's loves to communicate. I don't know what else. Yeah,
I think that's a big one. Telling your partner everything
and anything and not keeping anything from them because ultimately
you're living your life with your partner. And your best friends,
so you shouldn't keep anything from them. I think a

(16:08):
lot of our listeners have difficulty talking about money, um,
because in a lot of relationships, there's one part of
the relationship that makes you know, one person that may
make more money than the other. So how do you
guys deal with that? I mean, for me, it was
a big adjustment kind of getting used to Seawan's habits
of spending, because I come from a place where I

(16:29):
save up like every penny and he's, you know, he
likes suspend a little bit more. But I think that
as you grow with somebody, you just get used to it.
And now we have the same bank accounts, you know,
I'm attached to his bank accounts, so it's kind of
very transparent about what we spend. And yeah, just trust
each other, you know, just take a leap of faith. Yeah,

(16:51):
you live once goes by so fast. Why not just share?
It's hard, I know, I know that couples, even married
couples that still have separate bank accounts. Um. And so
I feel like, even though it really seems like this
materialistic thing, money does become an issue between people within
a relationship, each to their own you know, there's everybody's different. It.

(17:13):
I don't think there's one formula for success, but definitely communication. Uh,
taking the leap of faith trust. I mean, we're we're
we believe in a higher power to so we like
to you know, God's like always there, so it's like
He's it's everything. That's everything. So it's like, you know,
we take everything with the grain of salt, you know

(17:34):
what I mean. Like it's not we're not trying to
be better than anybody. It's just that's we're both humble,
so that I think that's what allows Yeah, we can
connect on that level. It doesn't matter. Like I mean,
I took her to in one year, we went to
um Bali and she wanted to be a yoga teacher.
So I'm like, let's let's go to the best place
in the world to become a yoga teacher. And so

(17:56):
she became a Yoga certified instructor so she can do uh.
And we went to Bali for a month, and then
after that we went to Thailand and then we went
to Japan. Took her to the Ritz Carlton and Kyoto
and that was like they have a really good experience
there where you can dress up in komotos and so
I mean, just you know, life, you gotta enjoy life.
Can't just all be about making money. So I think

(18:17):
that's another thing to to enjoy your life while you're young,
not wait till you're retired and then go on vacers.
You gotta think that you know experiences totally. Yeah. Important.
You know I didn't ask you this one. Just one
more of course before you guys go, um, I don't
know if it's going to be a spoiler for the season,
so no, you know, if you can answer it. What

(18:38):
are your views about the prenupe. I know your dad's views,
I know your Megan. I didn't think it was a
big deal until I saw Megan got so offended with it,
so I so I just took a step back and
had to research a little more on why she got
so upset. So it was it was interesting for me
because my parents had it. It's pretty normal, yeah it um.

(19:01):
I want Megan happy, you know, happy wife, happy life, right,
but we're not married yet. I'm learning the same thing
my friend. I found a bunch of the odd clauses
people have put into prenups over the years, because you
can literally do whatever you want like, for example, obviously
who gets the pets, but you can also who gets
the pool boy, who gets the gardener, who gets bananny?
That sort of thing. One prenup said that the wife

(19:23):
was fined five dollars for every pound she gained. That's
what every pound, every pound, you know, from the pot,
from the divorce. Why would a woman this one says
that her husband could only watch no more than two
football games per month. Screw that. You ripped that contract
rate up and she could only watch two reality shows

(19:44):
a week. In the deal, what religion their children will practice,
whether or not their child will be a vegetarian? Um? Oh,
for every time the husband was rude to his in laws,
he had to pay ten thousand dollars. Well, that's such
a vague thing dollars. And so supposedly justin timber Lake
has a deal that if he cheats on Jessica Bill,

(20:04):
she will receive five hundred thousand dollars. That seems like
a low balling. Anybody else in that park with me,
And you could even in the prenup determine how often
you have sex. Okay, now that's a little too much,
I thought, Just like a simple prenup of like who
like if something, if you guys get a divorce, whatever, like,
how are the assets divided? Not? If you're gonna gain

(20:25):
a pound, you're gonna get find five dollars for every pound.
That's just I've never heard that. I laugh at the
five hundred thousand dollar justin timber Lake. If he cheats
on Jessica Bill. If he cheats on Jessica Bill, which
he won't, but if he does, that girl's getting at
least twenty mill Okay, out of nowhere, there's five dred
thousand dollar thing came in. Um, But Sean and Megan,
thank you so much for coming into the studio today.

(20:47):
We really appreciate it. Thanks for having us. Marrying Millions
is on the second episode tomorrow night, Wednesday night at
ten pm Eastern Time on Lifetime. If you didn't see
the season premiere last week, I'm sure you can find
it wherever TV shows are right now, so you can
catch up on the season. Um, Sean Megan, where can

(21:07):
everybody find you? You can add us on Instagram, Sean
lordas s E A N Foundation. What's your foundations page?
You can, we have a website. The it's just it's
the Lorda's Foundation Worldwide dot org that abbreviated, so just
tlf WW dot org. It's better to bind us on Instagram,

(21:27):
and you know we have a staff there to filter things.
But perfect great. And Megan my Instagram is at m
E G G I R L L meg Girl. Perfect again. Yeah,
thank you guys so much for coming in. We're really
looking forward to keeping up with your engagement and relationship
on Marrying Millions, which again is on Wednesday nights, ten

(21:50):
o'clock on Lifetime. Thank you, thank you. I have Dean's
location right there. Oh my god, he's in the other studio.
Bring him in and talk to Hi about Paradise next.
A great experience. How about I was going to intro you.

(22:13):
You just came in. Go back at studio. The band
made it hesitated. I was gonna I wasn't gonna go,
and then you were laughing, and then the music hadn't
stopped yet. It's a long time coming, not really, because
you haven't missed that. You just missed one week. Last
week's episode. Yeah, that was nothing. I hope everyone had

(22:34):
a great July fourth. I hope you had a great
July four, great Canada day. Oh yeah, that too that
day that when is Canada Day? It was on July
four this year. No, how was it what it was
like Thanksgiving? It's always like the first Monday of July
or something. I'm embarrassed. We're right, yeah, we're right after Canada. Um.

(22:54):
So Dean, let's just jump right into it. You uh,
you got promoted last night. I'm being Bachelor in Paradise.
I got promoted, promoted on Being Bachelor in Paradise. Second
little trailer that was hold on, hold on, hold on.
So they showed the trailer for Bachelor in Paradise, and
I'm watching it and I see the Blake drama, see

(23:15):
Hannah Gee, and then all of a sudden, I see
a guy on there with luscious, luscious, beautiful flowing hair
and a stash. G Nope, I guarantee you that stash
is going to go down in Bachelor history and no
one is ever going to forget it. Because then later
on I saw a ten second a ten second promo

(23:37):
for Bachelor in Paradise and all it was was Dean
combing his mustache and honestly, just take my money whatever
I need to pay to watch this show. I'm watching
because I was thinking about it. I was like, how
how much must they be grasping for for something on
the show? If they have, if they have, if my

(23:58):
mustache is a point of conversation. At this point, there
were like articles being written with my mustache and the headlines,
and I'm like, there should be there should be more
interesting things to discuss on The Bachelor in Paradise, spoilers
or teasers than my glorious mustache. I don't think so.
I think that's the number one headline. Is there anything
interesting that you can tell us that happened? Um, well,

(24:19):
I grow out my mustache. I'm not gonna get into
the specifics of the mustache. It's not the last you'll
see the must The mustache will be a very central
point of my time on Paradise. Let me just say
that there's anyone fall in love with the stash. I
think every I think America has already fallen in love
with this. I actually know that the Internet's reaction so
far has been pretty brutal. Everyone like, rightfully so, that

(24:42):
the mustache was ironic, right Like I wore the mustache
ironically to go to Paradise, probably to sparing myself a
little bit like part of me was like, I think
I'm gonna walk down there. No one's gonna be interested
in me. But if I grow out a mustache, it's
not my fault. It's the mustache. Oh my god and all.
So I don't know. I just thought it was funny like,

(25:02):
and well was actually the first the first time I
saw Wells, he was like, it takes a really bold
man to have that kind of mustache on national television.
And my point was is like, yeah, I like people
come in here, they try to like polish themselves up
and put their best foot forward. I was like, I'm
just gonna go down there looking as grungy as I
possibly can. I eat the mustache and looks it was fine.

(25:24):
I will say it was a little hot, you know,
ninety degrees plus a hundred percent humidity with a two
inch lip caterpillar, it kind of adds to the heat
and the sweat a little bit. The conversations initially got
off to a pretty rough start because you know, people
come down, You come down and people are expecting to
see you in some sort of way, and you don't
really meet their expectations in that way. But I feel

(25:47):
like it's a good icebreaker it's a well okay, and
that's that was part of it too, my first icebreaker
because I'm I don't know if Vanessa knows this, but
Jared obviously does. When you come down the stairs, your
first task is to like pull four or five people
you might be interested in going on a day it
with and like having a conversation to see if there
might be chemistry to explore further. It's excruciating and everything
everything I lead with I was like, yeah, I got

(26:08):
this mustache. I live in a van. I don't really
have a job. You're like George Casanda from Seinfeld when
he does everything backwards. I don't have a job and
I live with my parents. Yeah, my name is George.
I'm unemployed and I live with my parents. And it
works for him. My name is Dean. I live in
a van, and yeah, my name is Dean. I'm unemployed
and I live with a van. By the way, I
have a mustache. Would you want to go to Dave?

(26:29):
I don't use soap? It was, well, are you soap? Now? Oh,
so we we've done that using sl February. Ever since
the shingles out break, Detor Deodore I put theodor unjust
my lift arm pit today because I want a test
to see how much smell you? Right? A good God,
let's just move on. I just want to see it's
an interesting experiment. March. So there was another report that

(26:50):
came out just yesterday which I think a lot of
people were stunned by. Actually, before we get to that,
you want to talk about how about the how's it smelling?
I might need this third party opinion. Does anyone in
the stream want to smell armpit? Read his hand very quickly.
So I've been waiting for you to ask that for years.
Wait wait, okay, before before we do this, I put
the odor on one armpit. I'm not going to tell
East which armpit I want to see if you can

(27:12):
guess which arm pit? Alright, so Eastern, smell the left one.
Here we go, smell the left one. Left, that's that's there.
Left arm alright, so okay, now smell the right one.
Smell the right one. This is going like god fabric.
All right, come to the microphone. Then what what what
was your experience? You know, approaching from from far away,

(27:36):
I thought I could smell it's obvious. It's not that
clear when it is, So which armpit does Dean have
a theodor or on he has on his left? It's
my left. But but did you sense the hesitation and
his voice? Do they both reek or were they both

(27:57):
like me? Like? No, they both smelled really good. Actually,
you've been using can we not? Can I get around
of a place for that? Please? And Eason obviously for
putting his mise on the line. I have an armpit fetish.
It was actually quite fun for me, So yes, the
point is what was the point of that? Again, I
don't remember I used the other, but only on one armpit.
And because your armpits you don't think smell, so you

(28:18):
wanted to make sure that's just like I don't think
my armpits smell bad enough to where I need to
introduce a new chemical to them to make them smell better.
The only the only time my armpits smell is when
I'm sweating. Well, I don't swear. I'm not really much
of a sweater. We have this weird genetic disease. I
don't sweat really, not really either, but I do smell
like if I get in a hot like last night,

(28:39):
I was at the backste Boys after party and I
was like, I was gonna meet them. And then I
smelled my arm pace and one smelled like I was
wearing this one I was wearing a top that had
a sleeve, and the other arm didn't have a sleeve,
and I forgot to wear the it around on the
arm that didn't have a sleeve, and that armpit smells
like cardboard, like we know, like wet cardboard. Oh good god,
that's a bad smell. Right, Thankfully I didn't end up

(28:59):
meeting them. But that's not a good thing. We're getting
track here, sorry to Paradise. Listen, all right, we have
to quite on purpose. I have a quick question. There
was another article on the news that reported something about
you in a particular person down in Paradise that you
may or may not be dating right now. I don't
even know why I'm saying it. The headline says I'm
not going to say her name, but says Bachelor Nations,

(29:20):
Dean Angler and Blank are dating Mark. I can't say
her name. I have been told to relate to you.
Let's please not say her name. And I'm not sure
if that's for legal reasons or why, but that's what
I've been told, not by Dean. By the way, by
people higher up the ladder than Dean because it's on
the news. This is not a salacious good I understand

(29:42):
still celebrity gossip. They're not going to get the name
from us. He loses, not the National Enquirer by any means.
If you know what I have. I have a question
for Dean, because he didn't answer me on Instagram. Did
you go to Europe with a specific person? Yeah, I
want a lot of my great friends. We did Greece
for a couple of female a female friend. Not liberty
to discuss any of this stuff, but I said I

(30:03):
was in Europe for the Passion Net for weeks with
a lot of great friends. I sailed on a boat
in Greece for a while. I went to Spain, I
like through the Dolomites in Italy. And that's all I'm
gonna say about I'm very interested why we can't say
her name because there's an article on E News, People
magazine and US Weekly. He's all saying it. I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna tell you guys what you can
and can't do. All I'm gonna say is whether you

(30:25):
say this person's name or not. I'm going to give
the same cryptic answer, and that is I can't discuss it.
Great cryptic answer. It was like, there was this weird
I feel like someone's making a phone call. I think
your phone's on or something like that, or someone maybe
your computer is making noise. That's sorry. Um. The point
is is that I think she's beautiful. I think you

(30:47):
guys should just watch Bachelor in Paradise. You're gonna get
to watch the mustache for a couple episodes. Maybe you
want to see the mustache on a couple episodes. I
don't know. The teaser is the mustache? All right? I
have to ask one thing before ago, because this was
widely talked about for quite a while. Uh, you recently
said months ago about bachelor relationships and how you think

(31:11):
they're all there. But it's just we've talked about them
many times. Yeah, now put them on the spot. But
we can just have a conversation about it, because I
think people would be mad if we didn't at least
address it. So now you went back on the show,
So what changed your mind? What changed my mind to
go back on the show. Well, obviously you went on
Paradise for the experience and thinking I'll meet some people

(31:32):
and we'll see what comes from it. But a couple
months ago you said that all Batchelor relationships are fake,
and you've kind of changed, you know, you've obviously it
wasn't you. You didn't exactly mean it that way. Truth will,
truth be told. I went on the show not looking
to be in a relationship with anyone. I'm not saying
whether I am in a relationship now or I'm not.
But I went on the show with zero intention to
leave the show in a relationship. Does that degrade the

(31:53):
integrity of the show, Probably a little bit. Now it doesn't.
Then I'll tell you why. We'll continue with you, and
then I'll tell you why. I think it's a good answer.
And I went and with the attention of just you know,
like we all do. We go on the show, you
gotta sit on the beach for a little bit, relax,
have some drinks, hit me, some new people, hang out, whatever.
I went on the show without without expecting to leave
in a relationship, almost actually fighting it to leave in

(32:15):
a relationship. Um, there's there's a couple of people down
there that I've been in relationships with in the past,
and we've talked about it even before I went on
the show, and I was like telling them, I was like, look,
I have no intention of leaving in a relationship even
before going on the show with anyone. Uh, because I
know that I've said these things Batchel relationships are all
fake blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I put
my foot in my mouth every chance I possibly get,

(32:35):
and I probably will do it many many more times. Um.
And I think when I said that, I think, as
we talked about just after it happened, that you know,
that was coming off like a heated uh uh moment,
and I learned some things I didn't like, and I
was beside myself and I was upset, and I was venting,
and I was being extreme and radical because of those things.
So now, so yes, I don't think that all Bachelor

(32:57):
relationships are fake. Uh. That does that answer your question? Yeah? Totally.
The whole reason I asked it was because I think
a lot of people immediately assume that you have to
go into these experiences, specifically the Bachelor experiences, with being
in being like I am, I'm here only for a
relationship and only for love. And I've always said that

(33:19):
that's ridiculous and naive and really dumb. And I think
you're a great example of somebody now that it may
or may not have come out that you're in a
relationship um of someone going in and being like, I
don't know, I'm going down and just being myself and
whatever happens happens, and I'm not coming here just for
love or anything like that, and then the life happens,
and then you end up maybe finding someone and and

(33:41):
developing feelings for someone. And I feel like that's a
good example not only for Bachelor, but just for life
in general, because sometimes it's always when you're least expecting
it is when you find something great. And I think
that's a cool example of it. I will say that
there this was probably my best season of Bachelor since
the first one. Of all of them, actually love the
four that I've been on, this is probably my favorite

(34:02):
for many many reasons. One because of that I went
down the stairs this time Bachelor Paradise season six, my
fourth time around, with the intention and understanding that like,
I'm just gonna be me with this ridiculous mustache, talking
about myself as I always do, and see what comes
of it. If something comes of it, great I'm not
expecting it. In fact, I almost prefer for nothing to
come with it. Um, And so I think that you'll

(34:23):
see that side of me. For the first time in
all four seasons. I stayed completely sober the entire time,
which which is a challenging thing in those in that
circumstance because you always you get bored a lot. All
you want to do is drink. Your friends are all drinking,
All you want to do is join them. Grant, And
I wasn't down I'm not gonna say how long I
was down there for, but I wasn't down there obviously
as original cast, so I wasn't there the whole time. Um,

(34:43):
But I'm excited to watch it back. Like obviously, you
always have your reservations and your concerns about how they're
going to edit you and what they're gonna do to you.
But for the first time, I'm finally like, I don't
have to worry about being drunk and saying something stupid
on camera because I didn't get drunk and say I
still said stupid things on camera, but I didn't get
drunk and say stupid things on camera. Concerns about like
last how did you feel laugh time when you love
did you know you were screwed last time? When you okay? Yeah?

(35:05):
Do you feel good this time? I feel better this time? Um?
Good or bad? Obviously? Like like, I don't know if
I'm in a relationship. After all of it, this is
said and done. Well, apparently, People, magazine, US Weekly, and
the news all know you are. So I've been authorized
to ask you the question are you single? I think
that you're just gonna have to watch this season of
Bachelor in Paradise and decide for yourself. It's all said

(35:26):
and done. That's fair enough. Great tease. Well, speaking of
great tease, we have a wonderful guest coming up, Tina Wilson,
who is the founder of Wingman, a new dating app.
It's revolutionizing the world, except for Canada because they don't
have it up there, but they have it everywhere else. Um.
So we'll be talking to Tina Wilson, but first let's
take a little break. Hello everyone, and welcome back to

(35:55):
help I suck at dating up. Next on the phone,
we have Tina Wilson, who is the founder of Wingman
dating app. Tina, are you there? Hello, Yes, I am Hi.
Thank you so much for joining us. How are you.
I'm good. I'm good. How are you guys? We're doing
We're doing well. This is Jared right, Hi, this has
been saying just walk up. It sounded like she didn't spoil.

(36:18):
It's early. It's early somewhere. So we just told the
listeners out there that you are the founder of the
Wingman dating app. But do you want to tell everyone
else a little bit more about it and how you
came up with the idea. Yeah, I mean so, Wingman
is an app where you are going to pass over
control of your online dating experience. You're going to pass
it over to those that know you bett, so your friends,

(36:41):
your family, and these people are going to be your
wingmen and wing women, and they're going to be navigating
your dating journey. So they're going to be creating your profile,
telling us the good about ugly. They're going to be
introducing you to whoever they beeing appropriate on the app,
and so they're making the matches happen while you sit
back and let them have control. That sounds terrifying. Wow,

(37:03):
it depends who your wing man is, right, I guess
it does. So I agree with that. It does sound
a little terrifying. So tell us a little more about
how you came up with the idea. Well, I was
I was in a long term relationship. I found myself
single and everyone had gone online whilest I was coupled up,
and I mean it was I went through all of

(37:24):
the different apps and it was pretty bonkers, right, some
of these experiences on there. There's a whole new vocabulary
cat fishing and um, what's skitting and breadcrumbing, all these
different things, And and for me, I just wanted a
more kind of impactful way, something that was slightly more authentic.
And and so having someone described your profile I kind

(37:47):
of legitimizes who you are, endorses your your personality, and
and then having a lens of somebody else that's not
you know, recently single. You come to these apps with
different maybe a different ends that you you know that
you've built up um since being single, and and sometimes
I think having a friend who is objective and maybe

(38:07):
providing you with options like this is who you should
go with? What about this person? Have you? You know?
And making those those things which can sometimes happen in
the world offline, right, And so that's something that I
wanted to bring onto the platform so that it behaved
as we do in the real world. So can your
friend is your friend chatting with the person on the app? No,

(38:32):
So so whatever you're from when you're if you invite
your friend to write your profile, you have to approve
what they've said about you, so they can't go too crazy.
You know, you have to approve it. And then what
happens is when they are looking through the dating feed,
when they see someone they think would be a good match,
they are sending your profile. They do like my friend Vanessa,
and that person is saying yes or no. Right, It's like,

(38:53):
I think my my friend would be a good match
for you. Is it a yes or no? Now, if
it's a no, you never know. If it's a yes,
everyone's notified, like, hey, this person is interested in you
and your friend made do a match, so you both
have So both you and your quote unquote wingman have
to have the app download in order to get matches. Absolutely,

(39:15):
you have to approve what they said. Correct me if
I'm wrong, But it sounds to me like the the
the Wingman caters more towards the female audience, right because
as a guy, yeah, you have your friends that like
vouch for you and stuff. Like that. But I feel
like women typically are the ones that go to bat
more for their other friends when it comes to dating, right, Like,
my guy friends would never go to the length of

(39:36):
creating a profile and talking me up to people digitally
to then like set me up on a date with them. Well,
that's what I said. It was terrifying earlier because I'm
thinking of some of my friends who would describe me
in my profile and it probably wouldn't be the most
flattering exactly. So that's why to me, at least, it
sounds like the wingman. I'm sure obviously there are many
many men that are wingman, but to me, it just
sounds like the wingman typically would be a woman. But
correct me if I'm wrong. No, you're absolutely right. So

(40:00):
are female matchmakers are the ones that come on, but
they bring their single guys on, right, So they bring
their brothers, their cousins, their male friends from college. So
they generally are the ones who kind of elevate them
and give them a bit of a push, almost like
this is what you should be doing, Like, let me
suggest this to you in almost like a big sister approach.
But I has almost come on with a twisted arm

(40:22):
but they're kind of, you know, into it. But so
there are there are men wingmen. Absolutely. I read one
just the other day which was a guy who said,
I'm putting my sister in law on here. She's been
our third wheel for so long, Like I married us
sister three years ago. Who knew I'd have to pay

(40:43):
the check for both of them for this long? I
thought by now she'd have found a boyfriend. Please. There
has to be a guy out there to help her out.
And it really rade me laugh because it's kind of
something that someone might stay in the real world, and
it came across like their whole band terous relationship came across.
Really a fun right, I love this idea. Yeah, I
honestly think it's genius. It's funny because you always see

(41:05):
these new dating apps come out with different iterations of
each other, and I always often sit and wonder, like,
what could be the next what could be a new
angle that you could come at this with. And a
lot of apps are so so similar, but this is
this is the one that sounds like it's really uniquely
different than the other ones. It truly is, and it
comes from a point of really being frustrated from my
own experiences, right, and wanting to help people that are

(41:27):
in my life, which is like, my mother is an
amazing woman, right she would you know, she was a
widow for many many years. Would she ever meet anyone?
Probably not? Right, But if I was to write her
a profile and say, hey, you know, it's my stepdad
out there, like look if we're a rich one to
my mom, like making a joke, even if she wasn't
going to do anything, it kind of just gave her

(41:48):
a joke along the way, like let her elevate that
maybe it could happen. So I think, because it really is.
We have people on the app from the ages of
eighteen to seventy two, right, we have like a grandmother
who wrote a profile for her grandson like he invited
her to be part of his day in journey, and
I'm like, I love that. Right, this guy is a
really cool little like little dude. Yeah he still loves

(42:10):
this man enough to let her write a profile, she
must have probably made her days. She probably is talking
about it to all of her friends and just almost
like connects them. And also you get there, you know,
you get there for me. If there was any way
to kind of really describe it if like sex in
the City in a way, like you have a lot
of gay guys writing profiles for their straight girlfriends and

(42:32):
vice versa, and those are the conversations that I feel
like I was seeing sex in the city, whereas you know,
the gay guys like she's got a hot body under
that ugly jumper, don't let it put you off. Like
some of the profiles they write are so funny and
kind of on point. You really get an idea of
the friendship group, of what you'd be walking into the
date in this circle. So subconsciously, even though you're giving

(42:56):
someone endorsement, you're also painting a picture of who that
person hangs out with. They might be a little crazy,
they might be a little boring, whatever it is, it's
always done with the good intentions of helping that person,
you know, elevate them to be, to find their best person.
But vicariously, I feel like the wing people they kind
of get to know, they love being part of it,

(43:19):
They get into it. Lots of these people are in
relationships they probably missed out on the dating scene, and
sometimes they're the best adversates, right because friends really do
know you so well or family that and so for me,
when my friends wrote me a profile, I sounded really
like excellent and amusing. But when I wrote my own profile,
I was kind of so on the fence and be

(43:41):
politically correct and not too self promotional and not to degress.
I mean, it was tough to get a real authentic
kind of view of myself aclass. So when my friends
wrote it, they were really fun. It's funny because the
same logic I think applies to a lot of people
that go on the Bachelor to a lot of people
will have their friends and I'm it then versus going
through the process themselves just because it's easier. I guess

(44:03):
it relieves the pressure or maybe like the well, it's
hard to describe yourself to be like yeah, I think
I'm a nice person, you know. It's it's weird where
your friend can be like, no, he's a nice guy.
Vouching for him exactly shows that you're not like a
crazy person. He's just some friends or family who's going
about you as well. I mean, if I had a
grandma who was seventy two and made an account for

(44:23):
me to help find a girlfriend, I would be still
so yeah. On the flip side that if I was so,
if I was looking to date someone and their grandmother
was vouching for them, like, that's the that's the cutest
damn thing I've ever seen. You first day would be
church on Sunday. Rights, probably a crazy one. How long
has that happen? Around? For almost two years? Right? So

(44:45):
we launched it in Vada. It's kind of eighteen months ago, really,
um and that was an iOS and we launched it
last year on Android. It's in the US and and
the UK, and yeah, we're just seeing such interesting things happen.
I love to see people really helping their you know,
going the extra mile and helping them. And then when
you see the validation and things happening, I do like

(45:07):
a little secret, secret Horai behind the scenes. Yeah, it
sounds like a digital way of your friends signing you
up for a blind date. Because my question is when
your friend says no to someone you said that you
don't get to see it. What if that? So? So
what happens if you will wing man for Vanessa and
you were like sending Vanessa's profile to whoever to say,

(45:30):
ten other people and saying, you know, I think Vanessa
big with Matthi when they say no. Vanessa never knows
who you send yes the rejection. They never get rejection.
You never get the rejection. Okay, so this is not
a it's not a public dating app. It's not where
random people get to see random people. It's so if

(45:53):
I'm Vanessa's wingman, the only way people see Vanessa's profile
is if I send it to them. They can, but
Vanessa will be shown in the feed also so they
can approach her. Also see the testimony that you've written
about her. My main fear with this app is if
if I was on it, right, Let's say I was
begrudgingly looking for a relationship when one of my friends
signed me up to be my wingman, my concern would

(46:16):
be that my friends don't necessarily have my my type
calibrated well enough, and they would be setting me up
for dates that I wouldn't necessarily with people that I
wouldn't nessily be interested in. It's all depending on the wingman, right, Yeah,
and and that's your choice, right, You seek the wing
man goes rose and you're like, this is not for me.
You just delete them off. People do do that you
can get rid of. Yeah, You're like, he's a bad

(46:37):
wing man, and you could and it's your choice where
you have. The power still lays in your hand. It's
just who you trust. I guess to be that person.
Can I have multiple wing men? Like, can I have
five best friends that then get put in a group
chat with someone that I'm interested in potentially? Well, you
can have up to five people looking for you. And
so many people do feel those slots, but they're always

(46:59):
just the with it. But they're so spread out. But
there's usually two family, two friends, maybe a coworker or something.
I mean, it's a real mix. Sounds fine. It sounds
like as a wingman, you get to like be on
a dating app without looking to data, you know what
I mean. Like that sounds kind of fun. I would be,
and you're helping your friend at the same time, and
it's like a perfect idea to um, Like if someone

(47:19):
is reluctant, because I know so many people who are
either getting divorced or who have been single for such
a long time and they don't have the courage or
the confidence, so I go on a dating app because
they've never done it or they haven't dated anyone in
a really long time, so this gives them like that
push to date and I hope that they could go
on another day. But just to clarify, because I went
on the I went on UM, I went to find
the app. I'm in Canada. It doesn't it doesn't exist

(47:41):
in Canada. It's not out there in Canada. But we
all got to be launching their life in the year,
but it's not there officially. No, okay, perfect, so later
this year I can hope up my friends and family. Yeah,
and you know, to your point that you just said
that people when they are not maybe confident enough to
get on the fact is you know how right they are, right,
you know what's winging about them, and you know they

(48:01):
deserve the best. It's just like sometimes as humans we
need a little push, and I think that's it's up
to your wings men and wing women to kind of
puss you out and do that advanced. I'd be more
on this app. If I was trying to find dates
for Vanessa, then I would be on a date, trying
to like find yourself. Yeah, find myself? Yea, like screw me?
Who wants to da Vanessa? Yes, you might be a

(48:23):
good wing that that would be really fun. If a
lot of like to say, all of the Olive Hannah
Bees rejects all jumped on Wingman and like for the
second place finish, or they're like, all, we're gonna find
you someone on this app. Now it would be funny,
that could be really um so you said it's on
iOS and android, right, Yes it is, yes, and and
then I didn't hear the answer to Vanessa's question. It's

(48:45):
just in the US, but it's it's branching out as well,
so in U s UK. And then we're going to
be opening up in different countries and kind of be
one of them pretty soon. Do you have any do
you have a social media presence? We all wing Man app,
wing Man app, and we are really anything to do
with crazy friends or animals is what you'll find on there,
because everyone that's working on when Man seems to be

(49:07):
obsessed by animals. Um, so there's always there's always those.
But yeah, we kind of interact with with people that
we are about dating, but we are also much so
much more of like celebration of friendship, so we really
do kind of push towards those other types of networks.
I think it's I think one of my favorite things
about this too. And It's one thing that I've talked

(49:29):
about in the past is I think it's so important
for your significant other or perspective significant other to meet
your friends early on, because your friends are the people
that you hold closest and dearest to you, right and
obviously you want their approval and you want your significantly
to approve of them. And so what's great about this
is it just kind of knocks all those pins over
right out of the gate, right. And also for the
other person that like, let's say I'm dating you, I
want to see, like what I vibe with his friends

(49:51):
or how is he influenced by the group of friends
that he's hanging out with. So it's a win win. Yeah,
you just got to choose your friends out of the
least delinquent out of all of them, which for me,
don't let don't let them all the drunk or delinquency
or anything like that. The good one, I don't know,
drunk could be fun. All right, Well, Tina, thank you
so much for joining us. If you're listening and you
want to give them to try, go download it. It's

(50:12):
on iOS and android, um check him out on Instagram's
at Wingman. I would assume Yeah, it's a Wingman underscore app. Okay,
check them out, give it a download if you're looking
to day, if you have a friend that's looking to day.
It sounds like it's a fun thing. And then emails
your stories because I think it'd be fun to share
similar stories on the podcast here as well. Um, thank you,
luck moving Forwida, Thanks yeah, thanks for Tina, thank you, thanks,

(50:35):
take care bye, guys. All right, well, let's talk about
I love that idea. Can we just talk about how
much I love that idea? Yeah, let's talk about do
you have any friends that you'd want to sign up
for that? Oh my god. There's so many people that
I know, like I said, that are either going through
a divorce or have been single for a really long time,
or just got out of got out of a long
term relationship, and and they've tried the apps. And I

(50:57):
mean I was on Riya and I didn't like. I
went on Riot for maybe a month before my now
boyfriend slid into my d MS on Instagram. I feel
like Instagrams are great dating app. It is well for
for people that it is it is. I've I've heard
that before that people use Instagram as a dating app.
I think for people like us, it makes a little easier.
We have a little more exposure, I think, so it's

(51:17):
like a little things are a little more accessible to
us as a dating app solely for Instagram and also
because of the show we curate, our Instagram is a
little bit more so when we're trying to talk to
someone on Instagram, I think we feel a little bit
more confident because, well, there's a lot of people out
there that they'll use Instagram, so they might have like
one picture posted and profile is not really updated. And
you go on a dating show, people will reach out

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to and hopes that you would go on a date
with them, and obviously our marriage proposals or things of
that nature. But I guess what's funny to Vanessa's point
and the reason I asked that very first question I
did with Tina was that I don't think I have
a single friend I would sign up for wiman because
all my as a guy, it's just like, none of
my friends I think are of the caliber that the

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Wingman app would be looking for, like as a as
a twenty year old guy that lives in l A
formerly lived in l A. I don't think I have
any friends that are looking to be in serious relationships,
so it would almost make me feel guilty to put
them on man. But well, if you have like divorcees
or like um as a woman, you're like, you want
your friends to be in relationships, et cetera. But it
just it seems like it's more catered or tailored towards

(52:20):
a woman. As a wingman, yeah, well, you're the one
vouching for them. You don't want to be the jerk
vouching for your friend who ends up cheating on the
girl that you put them on a date together. Nobody
wants me that guy or a girl. Sounds like a a
cool idea, though it could be fun. We have some
emails coming up. We got I got one I want
to get in here before we go. That's from anonymous
unmous good. Yeah, and it's it's juicy. My husband and

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I have been together for five years and we talked
about having a threesome. My husband and his whole pilot
crew got very drunk and my husband was left alone
with one particular flight attendant. She came on to him.
He said no, but asked if she would be interested
in the threesome. She said yes, so we called me
and told me what happened. Then my stomach dropped. I said, no,

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I find it to be a bad idea. She's a coworker,
and I feel really jealous and uncomfortable that she came
on to you. I still want it, but I can't
help a wonder if a threesome would ruin our marriage
or not. Should a threesome be out of the question
at this point, so many feelings about want too. Yeah,
she says at the beginning that we have talked about,

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and then she says at the end, I still want it.
It's just this woman makes me really uncomfortable. Wait, how
long have you been married? For five years to five years?
I think the challenging thing about this anonymous situation is
that it's a is that it's a coworker, and it's
someone that this guy is gonna have to see on
a regular basis, on a regular basis, especially with the

(53:44):
wife not around. Like that's reason enough I think to
probably nix it with this person. But if you're interested
enough with find someone else, a stranger that you're never
gonna have to interact with again. That's my advice. I
have you had a threesome? Jar yes, yes, yes, I've

(54:06):
had three. I had a three C in college once
when I was like night, it's nineteen okay, and that's
all I'm gonna say about it. Well, you three, if
you want to have a threeesome, there's nothing wrong with that.
Can we ask if it was two girls or one?
I said, that's all i'm gonna say about it. Discussed before.
I feel I've been open about it. The color of
your sunglasses and it was not very red. Right now,

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there's two types of threesomes in this world that guys
want to have, and I had the one that was
less desirable than the one that most guys want to have.
And if I remember, this was not a great experience
for you, and it was a bad experience, but like
you didn't feel you felt a little weird about it.
It was to salvage of friendship. There's a lot of
layers here, and you had a threesome to your frownship.

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We all knew each other, we were all we were
all friends. It was a very communal effort. So you
guys weren't going to be friends anymore until one day, Hey,
let's all have sex together to say ave the friendship. Yes,
that's exactly the conversation. To me, we were really drunk,

(55:08):
we were nineteen. There's a lot at work here that
I don't feel comfortable talking about, but we can talk
about it whatever. I don't care. Well, I'm I'm kind
of on Vanessa's page too, where yeah, threesome sounds awesome,
but at the same time, when you're in love with someone,
I think that creates a level of difficulty because then
you're with that person and then you're trying to sleep

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with someone else while they're in the room with you,
and it creates this awkwardness because you know, you were
the episode of Entourage where Ian Sloan potentially want to
have a threesome with Sloan's best friend, and the rule
was that the guy can only have sex with his wife, right,
and then he could like the other girl and the
girl the two girls can interact, but the guy can
only have sex with his wife. Could he have could

(55:50):
he like make out with the other girl? Probably? But
I think that there needs to be rules set if
this is gonna be something you want to do, like
set some rules, be like, hey, there's not gonna be
any penetration between you and this other girl, like that
seems to be the best route. And I stand by
what I said earlier, where don't do it with someone
that you work with, do it with if you want
to do it with a stranger. But how do you
ask a stranger if they want to freesome? Sure, there's
plenty of ways. I think you just ask a stranger.

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You just go up on the side streak. Excuse me, lady.
I mean I have a really good friend who was
dating someone for a long time and basically did that.
They were at a party and and she said that
they were both interested in and they found some girl
that they were both attracted to the aster and she
said yes, And I think that's a lot better than
doing it with someone you work with. I agree, because
then it's, like you said, now, it's it creates an
awkwardness because if the pilot sees this flight attendant and

(56:35):
the wife isn't there is there like sexual chemistry now
between the two of them when the wife's not there,
as if I was the wife. But I feel super
uncomfortable of that situation. And doesn't that open up doors
to potentially like you have it once and then it's like, oh,
let's have another threesome and then it's like a constant
chase for something more. I will be here. I think

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we should also speak directly to Anonymous and say that
you should didn't want to do this solely because your
husband wants to do it, right, like, you should definitely
want to do on your own. And that seems to
be like I'm sure that she's probably fighting herself, be like, oh,
I want this because I want to make my husband happy,
But do I actually want this for myself. I think
that's a question that she needs to address with herself.
And there's other ways to spice up your sex life, Like,
for example, if if Anonymous here doesn't feel comfortable about

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doing a threesome but she wants to do something for
her husband to really spice up the sex life, there
is other things that you can do besides having a threesome. Vanessa,
I don't want to make this awkward for you, but
I do see Nick post a lot on his stories
about how he likes his significantly to wear wigs every
once in a while. Is that a thing I'm just
making up now? I'm pretty sure I saw it on
his Instagram. Vanessa. Do you own any way? No, I

(57:41):
don't own any ways. It couldn't be a way to
spice things up for this person or for anyone else
out there. I don't know that's I think that's I
think we Ade quickly answered it. I would say, no
flight attendant idea. Just throw that one out the door
from us. I think a threesome in a committed relationship
is the beginning of the end in my opinion, to
be that's an unpopular opinion, but I think we'll bring

(58:02):
up emotions that you don't anticipate, which actually you're kind
of already feeling. And I think it's a bad idea. Yeah, yeah,
don't cross that anyways. Al Right, email us when you
meet a stranger and you have a threesome with them,
not with this flight attendant, because that's gonna make things
messier than they probably already are. Anyways, that'll do it
for this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating?
Big thank you to all of our guests. Tina Wilson,

(58:24):
be sure to check out her app Wingman on iOS
and Android, and also Sean and Megan. The big thank
you to Sean Lorda's and Megan Thomas. Be sure to
check out Marrying Millionaires. Wednesday, Nights ten PM on Lifetime.
Big thank you too. That's it. Actually, thank you guys
so much for joining us. Be sure to tune in

(58:44):
next week. Actually, we're all gonna be together for next
week's episode and Tahoe, but we gotta talk about that.
Oh my gosh. Okay, Well, Vanessa is gonna be in
studio next year. Vanessa is gonna be in studio with
her boyfriends, so you don't want to miss that episode.
Be sure to tune in. We're gonna dive deep, deep
into their love life. Thank you so much. Thank you

(59:04):
so much for listening to this week's episode. Be sure
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