Ben and Ashley Tell All

It’s time for the Men Tell All for Gabby and Rachel’s season and Ben and Ashley aren’t holding back how they feel!

Is it time to end the Men Tell All?? Were you as disappointed as Ben and Ashley?

We look at the good and the bad as we get closer to the final rose.

And Ashley has an idea for the next Bachelor that could totally revitalize the franchise!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost famous podcast
with her radio. We're starting this podcast off with some
news that Ben just informed me about, Like crapply, he
just found a black widow, just like right now, found
a black widow yure right now, right before we press

(00:23):
the record, Yeah, I did. Do you know how scared
I am most spiders, let alone one that is actually poisonous,
Like you could die, I could have. Yeah, I guess well,
I mean, I'm I'm a big guy, but like my puppy,
my wife's My wife's a tiny human, little Jess, like
she'd have ten minutes to go to the hospital. Isn't

(00:45):
it crazy that things like that could just crawl into
our house and something that big could truly just kill us?
Am I being an alarmist a little bit? I mean
I didn't think of it to this. So what happened
was we had Jesse's brother and sister in law in
town this weekend and it was awesome. Uh, we had

(01:06):
a really incredible time. They stayed in our basement and
then this morning before they left, they were downstairs and
we found in the room that they're sleeping in a
black widow on the wall. Now, I am a little
bit less wearisome because here's what happened. I don't know
if you guys remember this story from a few years
ago at my former house before Jessica and I moved.

(01:28):
I went to my garage one day and there was
all these little nests and eggs everywhere inside the garage.
It was a detached garage in the back of the yard. Um,
thank good Lord. And uh, wall of a sudden, I'm
like looking at the eggs and I noticed that it's
Mother's on all of them, and it's black widows. We
had an infestation in the garage where my office was.

(01:50):
I had built my office in said the garage, and
so inside like my office in my garage where I
used to record this podcast. Uh, they found over three
black widow and so, oh my god, yeah, oh my god.
The imagery I would I don't know what i'd rather do.
I don't think there's anything in this world that I
that I would be scared of. It would be less, yeah,

(02:13):
that I would be more scared of than seeing the fit.
Like there's something about that creepy, crawling body. I know
they're tiny, but I would rather feel like I would
I'd rather face a shark or an alligator. Interest think
interesting thought? Okay continue? Sorry, Yeah, so we're in the

(02:34):
process today. Jessica obviously isn't it like a massive fan
of spiders, And so my afternoon is going to look
like working and then also trying to figure out the
best way to uh rid my house in the safest
ways possible of black widows and make sure that there
aren't a ton crawling in the sheets and crawling around

(02:55):
in the beds. Um. So I'm gonna do a whole
lookout if you hear some stuff going on the background,
I do have a couple of people out right now
looking through uh the house, making sure um that there's
no like, no immediate threat because they are pretty dangerous,
but they are there are pretty creepy to like when
I'm not usually that scared of spiders, but when you

(03:17):
see a black widow, like the black with the hourglass
on the on the bottom of it, um, it looks
like it wants to destroy you, Like it just looks
like it's ready to pound. So that's my morning. Actually,
it's been a great morning. I've got to work out
in I found a spider uh and now to watch
this lovely episode one that the fans they're going wild

(03:41):
over they thought it was the most fantastic thing they've
ever seen. That's not true, No, not not not true.
So so we're gonna jump into recapping the episode. I
don't even know how much recapping we're gonna do of
the recap, So we're gonna break this up into two sections.
Because of the fans reaction and because I think of
most people's reaction, Uh, it would be hard. I honestly

(04:03):
don't know if I saw one positive comment about the
show last night on Twitter or on Instagram. So both
because we break down the show actually and I want
to try to give a little perspective to what was happening.
So we're gonna break it up a no positive and
negative section. What was positive about this show? And then
what was negative? What? What? What things do we feel

(04:25):
like we just missed on? Because I do think the
show missed on some stuff. I do find it a
little confusing. But let's jump into the positive first, which
is who one of my favorite you know, members of
this show this season is Aven. I've liked David since
the beginning. I think you have to. I feel like
he is especially on this hometown actually that's how you

(04:49):
kick it off. I feel like he is quieter than
I expected him to be. Um, I felt like he
could be. I think he's a sweet guy, and I
actually think he could probably be the one at the
end because he is. He listens well, he's considerate, he
was definitely receptive of his dad and mom's advice. But

(05:10):
he is quieter than I expected. Um. We don't, honestly,
as much as I like him, I just don't know
a lot about him yet. I really don't have much
to add. I completely agree with you. I like the
fact that his hometown is Salem. Just looking around was
fun for a second, which Jay was a little silly,

(05:31):
but you know, when you're in Salem, you must. And yeah,
I liked his parents. I don't think that they were
nearly as scary as he prepped Rachel for being. And
he is just that nice, sweet, good looking guy. There's
really there's I got no complaints about him. Well, there
is a comment here something that I felt as a

(05:53):
viewer I did not enjoy, and I don't know if
I've ever recognized this until this episode. I I like
hometowns a lot. I think it's a fun episode, but
their date, even though yeah, you're in Salem and stuff,
it didn't help me know anything more about him. And
that's what I really feel like. Hometowns are meant to be,

(06:14):
like what do you do in your hometown? Even like
how do you spend your day? Even if it's as
simple is going to like the high school you know
and meeting and showing off your old high school, or
going to your favorite restaurant in town, Like, I'm not
looking for an extravagant date in your hometown. I just
want to learn something about what your daily life looks like,
or what your daily life looked like when you lived

(06:36):
in this town. And I feel like their date didn't
give me any of that. And so I leave this
day against saying I like, even I think he's he
seems great, I just don't know anything about him yet.
That was actually quite perspective, like you had a great
That was intuitive of you to pick up on that,
because I was like, oh, of course a great something
like this, not thinking that they could have utilized it better. Sure,

(07:00):
I mean, I'm sure Salem obviously has the history and
has the kind of uh the known factor of what
Salem is for and what goes on there, and I'm
sure that's a huge part of their culture as a town.
It sure is like they live for Halloween. Sure, and
that's awesome, that's great. Well, but even I want to
know more about what you do. I mean, maybe this

(07:20):
was what you do, but I never heard it during
the episode where he told Rachel, Hey, this is how
I spend my days in Salem, like going to these shops.
That had been fine if that's the thing, but it
would have helped me at least know Um, but he doesn't.
I don't think he spends time going to those shops
it was. I don't think he does either. But it
was also odd to me Ashley Um that this hometown

(07:44):
air during this episode. It definitely kind of threw me off,
like it was a weird switch, but I got back
into it. The positives of this. I thought Even's parents
were great. They were the perfect amount of not harsh
but inquisitive of concerned, also excited. I thought they had

(08:05):
a good mix. They balanced each other out well, um,
and they made sure to ask good questions. But they
definitely didn't uh leave Rachel or even. I don't think
looking for wondering if there are support for the two
of them together. You you left wondering if there was

(08:26):
the support. There's good support. Yeah, yeah, I said, they're
they're the perfect mix. Where I didn't watch it and go,
oh my gosh, are they for or against this whole thing? No,
they asked good questions, they were concerned, they were inquisitive,
they pressured and pushed a little bit, but they also
gave the validation to the two of them that hey,
if you guys are adults, if you're into this and
you want to run with this, go for it. Yeah.

(08:48):
It was like perfect parenting. It's great. I mean. And
then and honestly, uh, and and this we're still in
the positive section of this podcast. We were still speaking
positively about this episode because we want to pull some
good things out. Uh. The dad was a huge hit
on Twitter. He was He was such a cutie, very

(09:10):
very sweet. Many definitely handled it in a way that
like Tino's dad could have last week where he is
a little skeptical um wants them to remain in the
real world, but did it with an attitude that was supportive. Okay,
so onto then the mental awe which happened after the

(09:33):
hometown date. Again, just to be clear, we're speaking on
the positives right now, so we're not going to mention
that we didn't see the road ceremony, because that wouldn't
be a positive in our minds. But the positives and
the mente all Ashley, what stood out to you that
you fought felt was um genuine, sincere, likable, loving and

(09:53):
added to the to the to this whole storyline the season. Well,
you're not to put you on the spot. Definitely spot,
but you're not gonna like my aunts. It was the
commercial for the Bros ad for the movie that I
was actually like, ah, I would like to see this.

(10:15):
Oh goodness, that's it. I uh, let's see. Let me
let me scroll through these notes here for a second.
The Paradise preview. That was fun. Actually, we're not even
talking about the show anymore. Even though twenty seven percent
of the show was ads. That's what I just found
out this morning, I know, because Bachelor Data did something.

(10:37):
So it was like, in addition to the actual commercials,
there was like built in ads for you know, we
could assume like over fifty of this show was us
watching a promo for something else, which was most people's
biggest critique. Okay, but we're still in the positive Okay, okay, okay, okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna come up with something because I
do truly want to come up with something positive. Uh. Tyler,

(10:57):
his whole just demeter in presence there, I think is
always so sweet. I liked him and his always understanding
of the situation. Hope we seem in paradise. How same.
I liked seeing m Jordan's V again. Really want to
see Jordan V in paradise another stand standout, just a

(11:18):
moment for Jordan V. Just being there. In general, I
think it's like how in the war after like looking
at the mentor last night, Like how in the world
this dude not make it farther? Like I don't get it? Yeah? Uh.
And then I like our friends who we met last week, Spencer, Spencer, Spencer, Oh,

(11:38):
looking so good with the facial hair. Should have had
it more. Yeah, okay, So on of my positives. I uh,
I really enjoyed the bloopers. I know that some people don't,
but I liked the bloopers of Gabby, especially just being
like Gabby. You know, she's like Champagne. The Champagne was awesome.
She farted and like I know how that environment and

(11:59):
there's five people in a closed hot room because there's
lights and it's a close camera and there's audio and
all this stuff, and she's doing this interview and she
farts and she says, I'm sorry, but he hold their breath.
I thought that was fantastic. I never did that. Obviously,
I needed to multiple times, Oh you poor thing, you
had a tape worm or whatever pesticide, But like, I

(12:24):
never had the confidence of that. I thought that was
a very likable, relatable moment for Gabby during the bloopers,
where it's like this is who we remember her as
from Clayton's season. I did enjoy Tyler as well. I
also really liked one of my and I've said it
every season, I get really like angry, uh viscerally, like

(12:45):
very angry. When I watched Mentel all and I see
somebody that was there for like two hours critique the Bachelorettes,
her critique the other cast because they have no place,
they've they've not been there, they've only watched some of
these episodes on TV. Like everybody else, they can act,
they can act like they know what's going on. They
have no clue what's going on. So did Roby rob

(13:06):
you the wrong way? That was a negative? Finish hair? No,
gosh no uh I So Roby spoke out often at
the beginning. I really a positive was Ethan, who we've
grown to really like during this whole season, kind of
the guy that you never expected because he was quieter

(13:29):
at first. He kind of just sat back in the shadows.
Great looking dude, definitely a candidate to be the next Bachelor,
I think. But when he spoke up and said, hey,
you were you weren't even there, be like, stop bringing
up bad moments and stop bringing up controversy when you
have no ground to speak on. I find that an amazing,

(13:52):
amazing thing to like set the tone for the evening,
like this doesn't have to be controversial, it doesn't have
to be dramatic. There doesn't have to be arguments, especially
during a season like this where we don't have a
lot of cast arguments, and the ones that we did
have cast arguments against weren't even there, Like they didn't
even show up. So, yeah, what's it? I'm sorry, I'm

(14:12):
like horrible with his name is Hayden Hunter. Hayden, Yeah, Hayden.
I thought he was actually hiding in a trailer, but
I guess he didn't come. Yeah, Well, you can't necessarily
blame the dude, because he would have been probably Chris
and Hayden would have been the only two cast members

(14:35):
this season that would have consensus in within the house
to be mad at or too critique. So I mean,
I don't blame him for just being like, I know
what's going to happen. If I walk out there, I'm
just gonna get crushed and there's nothing I'm gonna be
able to say, so I'm not going. Yeah, I am
shocked because it really seems like it was a choice
of his not to go, and I feel like a

(14:56):
lot of people don't feel like they have a choice
to go or not. Apecially in this season where there
wasn't a ton of drama between the guys, you would
have thought that the show would have really wanted him
there for the conflict. I'm surprised he did not show.
I will say, I don't know what they're um agreements are.
I don't know what the situation is. I can't speak

(15:19):
to that. I would imagine if you agreed to be
on the show, you also are at some level agreeing
to do the mentel all or going to the live shows.
I would just imagine that. I mean, I think that's
how that works. So I'm surprised the show isn't like
I'm sorry, dude, like you have to go. Same So
who there's there's been bigger villains who have showed up.

(15:40):
Though not saying that, I'm not trying to downplay what
he said. What he said was pretty horrible. You know,
all the girls bitches that you're trying to do. But
like we've seen way bigger villains before up and you
they show up, So, I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't
have wanted to what I want to watch given the choice,
Like they should have shown us the conversation that Hayden

(16:02):
was having with ever whatever producer in the trailer, Like
that's what I want to see, is the producer being like, dude,
you gotta go, and he's like, nope, not leaving. They're like, oh,
you think he was in the trailer. I don't know.
I mean, I don't think so they put his name
on there for looks, Okay, well you've been fly out.
That's fair. I just would have loved to see the
behind the scenes of those conversations. Okay, Ashley, any other

(16:24):
positives for you. I thought the Bachelor that's really pretty,
really liked Gabby's dress. Yeah, do you You've liked Gabby's
dress all season. Now Rachel's you've been you've been a
little more critical. Every everybody has been a little bit
more critical of Rachel's. You know, Rachel kind of just

(16:44):
said she doesn't have a strong fashion sense and she
just kind of let them dress her. That's fair. That's fair. Okay,
So those are the positives. Now we're on a switch

(17:05):
to uh speaking into not just bashing, because I don't
think that's fun and it's not a great listen, But
we're gonna speak into some of the biggest criticisms of
fans for this episode, because there was a lot if
you are not aware, if you're listening right now, or
maybe you haven't even watched the episode yet and listen
to our podcast before you watch it, criticism came in

(17:27):
and it was I would say the most criticism I've
ever seen publicly on social media for an episode of
the show. And it wasn't criticism maybe like we've had
in the past towards a specific issue or something that
somebody felt, um offended by or they felt was inappropriate. No,

(17:49):
this was criticism just on kind of being bad, formatting, bored,
not not enjoying the watch, which you don't get a
lot during the batchelor. People love to hate the Bachelor's
very trendy to hate the Bachelor and Bachelor at but
you don't get a lot of people just criticizing the
I would say, boring nous of the show, Like if
you don't get a lot of people just saying why

(18:10):
am I watching this? Yeah, so okay, let's start at
the beginning. Do it chronologically. Ashley, what are your thoughts
on not showing the rose ceremony? And Jesse just simply saying, hey,
all the guys are staying. I wouldn't normally have minded it,
but when you see the kind of content that they
replaced it with, which was a lot of commercials um

(18:36):
and just overall like non substantial stuff, you make you
feel like, oh, the rose ceremony would have been more substantial.
I could have at least used the suspense of it,
like pretend as if well, yeah, I guess, like here's
a question that lingers. Did the guys go into that
rose ceremony knowing that they were all going to get
a rose. Was it just formality or we're you know, like,

(18:58):
we're all the Roses sitting there and they're like, oh, look,
we're all getting a rose. That's so exciting. Or was
there some sort of suspense? Okay, great point, and I
would have liked to know all those things. My comment
to that is I watched the show because I want
to watch the show. The Mental Law for me, I
could take it or leave it, Like I honestly, I

(19:20):
prefer not to even have this episode. I know we
always say it every time it comes around. I really
think they need to cut this episode. It's just run
its course if we know I don't enjoy it. Jesse
was like, what you've all been waiting for? The men?
Tell all? It's like, believe me, nobody in this audience
has been looking forward to The Mental all the most,

(19:42):
especially this season where there's been a very little amount
of drama between the guys. I have a positive, though,
I'm thought of another positive the super tease the rest
of the season. It's really really good. I have no
idea where it's leading, and it truly gets me pumped
to watch the final few episodes. Okay, so back to then.
What I was saying was, yes, we watched the show.

(20:03):
To watch the show, the super Tees was great, let's
get us into that, let's keep let's keep this thing moving.
The Mental All feels like an unnecessary break, an unnecessary
movement of a lack of momentum, especially when the Mental
All is like this. And so for them to cut
the rose ceremony for the Mental All makes me say,
I think the priorities were wrong, like cut the mentel

(20:25):
All for the rose ceremony. Um, I want to see
I want to see the drama. I want to know
who's going home. I want to see somebody sweat a
little bit. And so for them to cut it and
just do it like that, it felt unnecessary, but it
did at the beginning of this show, actley this We're
gonna keep moving on. Then from it did get me
excited for the Mental because I was like, there's so

(20:46):
much stuff in this Mental All that they can't even
do the roast everybody. Now, uh, my thoughts are proven incorrect,
But that doesn't mean that I wasn't excited for a moment. Okay,
So the next thing any tweet from Dan Emerson just
a fan online he goes, we didn't have time for
a rose ceremony, but we had time for an app
demonstration and a cruise giveaway. And then there's a judge

(21:11):
look from Judge duty as a gift attached to that's
pretty cute, definitely and very uh not untrue. Okay, So
the next big criticism, I don't even know if it's
a criticism, uh is Roby comes out with platinum blond hair.
Now Roby can do what Roby wants to do if
he wants to have platinum blond hair. Uh. As I
get older, my philosophy is, go do that, Roby. However,

(21:34):
I feel like it was a host mistake to not
even ask Roby why in the world that he dies
hair platinum bond. We have no clue. He just showed
up like this. Well we've only known Roby, as Ethan
pointed out, for about four hours, who's only in like
four hours of production time. Yet we do find we
we know that he's somebody who likes attention. He is

(21:56):
a magician. So I think the color was gonna get
him some attention, and he succeeded at that. He did succeed.
He wanted some attention, he got some attention. Unfortunately, I
just don't see it being beneficial. Like, I don't know
what he was going after he got a few moments
of speaking lines. I don't see this playing out very
well for Roby. I don't see him getting a lot

(22:18):
of gigs based on this episode. But that's my own opinion.
He can prove me wrong later on. Okay, So then
we go into the men's conversation, like where the men
are there talking amongst each other and Jesse is hosting
it honestly, Ashley and and and I'm gonna throw it

(22:38):
to you here. This would be my only comment. I
don't I just watched it a few hours ago. I
don't remember anything from their conversation, and that's not a
good thing. That means watch That's why we're not going
to go through it because we don't remember it, because
it was all inconsequential conversation. It was it just felt
like it was kind of a filler, you know. It

(23:01):
was like we're at the mentel. Also, the men have
to have this moment, but it didn't feel necessary, which
I believe. At this point, Jesse pauses us in the
show to give us an app demonstration of how pain
can be delivered, right, Champagne can be delivered on a
cruise ship. That's we are all currently not on. And

(23:24):
when he gives away to the cruise. Remember the tease
last week was that there is news that we're going
to get at mental All that's going to change our lives,
actually only changing the lives of the people in the
audience for a week, but they will have memories to
last lifetime. And you guys know, I've talked about Le
Trista two weeks ago, huge cruiser. So I am truly

(23:45):
jealous of everybody in that audience and I'm also very
happy from them at the same time that they get
there to this experience. But what let down for all
of us well, and that's what I think the show
needs to be careful of. And so to get a
little bit like farther out these teasers that are disappointing
lose trust in your audience. Oh my god, what a point,

(24:07):
Ben Higgins. You know, it's like you remember the days
of the Fence Jump, when there was a tease that
lived up people, people responded. And so during a season
of the show where the show is trying to gain
back the trust of the viewer, trying to um move
forward gaining the trust of the viewer. These big teases

(24:30):
that don't live up to the hype are I think
very Um. I want to use the word dangerous, but
dangerous seems very heavy. But like what I mean is these, uh,
these teasers that don't satisfy what we're all hoping for,
especially when they say it's life changing, I think make
the viewers at some point go, I'm done with this thing,

(24:52):
Like I don't want to watch this anymore. I don't
want to be drawn into something that's going to disappoint me.
The show has to deliver and and teasers like this
are not delivering. And if they don't deliver, then how
in the world is the show going to expect their
first episode when they show the highlights for the season
two gain the attention of the public if all they

(25:15):
think about in their mind is how many times do
the show disappointed me in the past? Ben, you're so
poignant today, like you're making me. Jenner would say, like,
realize things. An episode of realizing things and I have
not slept well. Um, but that's a topic for another time.

(25:36):
I'm glad that you brought your brain today because you
are sharp. Well, that's that's it. Okay, So we have
this app demonstration that if you're in a cruise ship
you can get champagne delivered, right, I mean, first off,
very cool. Does make me want to take a trip
on Virgin. They did a great job promoting Virgin. I

(25:56):
I say, like, I'm like a big commercial. I know.
But you know what the one question that was that
could have been answered at mental all, it wasn't how
Logan went about Well, I guess there's two questions, okay.
One there was the Nate drama. What happened off camera

(26:17):
him not telling an next about a child for a
year and a half. That was a one huge lingering question.
Jesse starts the episode by saying that we're going to
get answers to that. That's great, thank you, But um,
the other the other question that we have is Logan
and not his decision to switch teams quote quote but
whatever happened with the COVID thing? Why didn't everybody else

(26:40):
get COVID? And was his test really positive? And what
he just was eliminated? And where did he go and
all of this stuff? Why didn't he get to come
back when he was better? Those questions were not brought
up and not answered, which just further confirms to me
that there's some shady business going on there and they
just wanted to get rid of Logan. Yeah, I would

(27:01):
say that's a good way out. I think that's gonna
be one of those things that in a season we
forget even happened, and I think the show probably assumes
that we will forget it even happened. There are a
lot of questions there. I mean, Logan felt like he
was gaining a better relationship and so he had some
some momentum moving forward, and then all of a sudden,
you've gone. Nobody really talks about him. He's out of there.

(27:30):
Ashley after this app demonstration whereby get champagne. I'm sure
the crowd was loving it. These filmings are a long
time and so to get champagne during your eight hours
sitting during this show is probably very nice and it's
a good little treat for all the for all the
audience members. We move on then to Nate's conversation. Probably

(27:57):
it felt like would be the most important versation of
mental all I um, there's been some recent headlines come
out today that we know about. You know, we watch
this episode, Nate speaks to why he never introduced his
kids to the people he was dating his kid, his kid, uh,

(28:17):
and he's a dad. I mean I want to hold
criticism and judgment very loosely here, because he is a dad,
and you want a father uh and and a parent
to parent and bring up their child whatever ways they
see necessary to protect him and love on them. And
we have to assume he's doing all those things. So
I'm not you know, people last night were fairly critical

(28:41):
and positive on what Nate's words were. Right, Here's the
crazy part. Here's what things get weird to me, is
I think Nate, I felt like last night, this is
while pause actually because I want to hear your thoughts.
I thought last night they were so you're gonna make
me say the bad thing. No, no, no, no, not
not at all. Um. I felt like last night they

(29:02):
were setting Nate up. I felt like I was watching
them setting Ate up to be the bachelor, Like they
were trying to reconcile and and and spin not spin this,
but like bring it out enough where the public would
say Nate should be the Bachelor. I felt like that's
what I was watching. I don't think they were successful
in that. Today, I think we see that they definitely

(29:22):
were successful in that based on this headline that I'll
read here in just a second. But Ashley, what did
you think when you watched his interview? I thought it
was phony, okay, fair, and I get that, and I
felt like it was almost forced. Like I said, they
were trying to force this idea that he should be
the bachelor, even though you know, these rumors did come out,

(29:44):
and no matter what he says, people are going to
disagree with him. Right there. There is a divide on Hey,
he's doing the right thing here or he's doing the
wrong thing. But there's a divide. And now we see
today in the headline that Nate was seen holding hand
at a grocery store with a girl. Yes he was.
We don't know the girl's name, we don't know who

(30:05):
she is, but he was, and we also don't know
shape for that. I don't care for You know, he's
had time apart from Gabby, he got eliminated six, she
sent him home. Whatever, go hold hands with a girl
in a grocery store. That has nothing to do with
me thinking this came out across a phony. Across phony
to me a lot of the A lot of it

(30:26):
has to do with the way that they produced it.
They showed so many audiences faces during that interview, so
many women nodding or like being like yeah, it's like sympathy,
and they were so trying to make us be on
his team. It was almost so shoved down my throat

(30:46):
that I was like, no, no, you will not force
me to feel this. Yes, I mean I think that
you just brought up a great point. You're saying I'm
on it today. I think you're on it. I think
that's why this was hard for me to watch, because
I kept watching he would say something like I have
a daughter, and everybody in the audience. They'd show these
audience members just shaking their head, Oh yeah you do.

(31:08):
It's like, okay, come come on, like this this is
not this is not a talk show, right, this is
not a daytime talk show. I felt like a daytime
talk show. It was Dr Corney, Yes, one hundred percent.
Jared even pointed out that they that they said they
made sure to poise the conversation in a way that

(31:31):
it started out with good things about Nate, then they
addressed the controversy, and then they ended with good things
about Nate and they had to have what's his name?
I have no freaking idea in the line of men
say hey, hey, Jesse can I had erupt for a second.
I just want to say that a good man does
make other men better, and that is what Nate did

(31:53):
to me. Like it was all so calculated to make
him the next Bachelor, and we're just all I just
feel like we're all not having it. Even if we
read one of the headlines. There is a headline in
which basically backstage at Mentell, all Gabby, Rachel and some
of the men, I'll talk about who they want to

(32:13):
see as Bachelor and they all say Nate. And it's
just too much And I'm sorry, I'm going to ramble now.
If if this was a guy that we saw so
much screen time from and that we just like, we're
so obsessed with and so loved during the season, and
then we see that he made a mistake in real life.
Maybe maybe, but the fact is we didn't like we

(32:36):
we got to know him. I liked him. I even
said that when he got dumped, I really wanted to
see more of him. I was upset that I wasn't
going to I can't get over now that I can't
get over that he didn't talk, that he didn't tell
a girl for a year and a half. A year
and a half, well what two girls? Yeah, well, well

(32:57):
that's like up for debate. Like he even admitted that
there were two girls in the picture. I don't know
he was like seriously dating two girls at once. Whatever,
it wasn't addressed. I get not introducing your daughter to
somebody after a year and a half. That's fine. I
understand your reasoning between the divorce and not want to

(33:17):
get your daughter into it. So respectable not bringing up
the fact that you have one that does seem like
you're hiding her. I had a huge aspect of your life,
making it seem as if, well it a little controversial
to say, but almost seeing as if you're purposely trying
to hide an aspect of your life, A big aspect

(33:38):
of your life. I think it was. I think no
matter what, it's an odd decision to date somebody for
a year and a half. It is an odd decision
to know somebody for a year and a half, like
a friend, uh, a coworker, I don't know, like just
somebody in passing for a year and a half that
year having some semi regular conversations with and not for

(34:00):
up the fact that you have a child. I mean,
I talk about my puppy to everybody in anybody now
different than the kid. I feel more strongly about this
now that I'm a parent. I can't go a minute
without being like, I'm sorry, I know you're a stranger.
I just meant, can I show you a picture? Like
I'm that person now? And now I understand why people

(34:20):
do that. It's also, oh god, this is a little
controversial as well. It makes me feel as if maybe
he wasn't as president in his daughter's life as he
was trying to put across earlier in the season. Makes
you bring up questions, right, That's brings up questions. Thank you. Yes,
I'm not accusing. I'm just I'm just questioning. It brings
up questions, and I again to in this statement. I

(34:43):
think your comments at the beginning, if they just would
have had Nate sit there and and talk um and
with that we weren't trying to be persuaded in any way,
then I think my response is a lot better. This
isn't even as much of a criticism on Nate and
what he said and hasn't said, or what he's done
and not done. Honestly, most of the time, I felt

(35:06):
like I was watching an infomercial, like when you see
the people cooking in the nonstick pots and they got
to the audience, they look, how look and they go
look how clean it is, and all the audience shakes
their head and smile like this is the best thing ever.
That's how I felt this was to me, and it
made me just turn off and go, I don't I
know I'm not being persuaded here that no matter what

(35:27):
I'm done, there's nothing that's going to convince me either direction,
because this is so corny to me, especially using the fans,
your action to to everything he was saying, Um, it
was odd. So that's that's what'll close that, and I
will enter this conversation very briefly. This is just another

(35:50):
moment that said to me, Hey, Tyler Cameron, whenever the
heck he wants, give him all the opportunity he wants,
make him the Bachelor, or or you will have another
rating season. Really, this is this, This moment made you
think of Tyler Cameron. Oh, this moment. Moments like there's
always running of Tyler Cameron. He is your savior for

(36:11):
the show. He's the show savior because he is a
celebrity now. He's not only just antes former contestant from
a heyday, from one of the last seasons in which
there was good ratings and there was a lot of
excitement and chatter around it. Not only that, but he
is a celebrity now, so now he's almost like a

(36:31):
stunt casting. It's almost like having um when they had
like of the Prince, or they had um like Charlie
O'Connell's brother and stuff like this, and even like Bob
Ginny to a certain point was almost a celebrity when
he became the Bachelor. Yeah, I get that, Okay, fair enough.
I mean I think, yes, Tyler Cameron is a bachelor

(36:53):
would probably be a good thing for this show. I
cannot disagree with that. Could you come up with one
person in this in the cast of single men from
the franchise right now? Not necessarily this cast, but another,
but another one of recent history that would spark as
many ratings, attention and excitement amongst the fandom. I can

(37:15):
think of a few personally that I would like to see.
I would like I think that Mike Johnson could do it.
I think that Mike Johnson with Peter Krause would be amazing.
Do double, do double, you have to do double. If
you're gonna do two girls, that's awesome pairing. Um, But
I don't. I can't. But I don't think that's like
a huge I don't know. I want Peter Cross will
be an amazing freaking bachelor, But I do think that

(37:36):
people have forgotten him at this point. I think they
lost that opportunity years ago. But who says who lost
to you know, Like, I think there's a lot of
rumors that say that it was Peter that passed up
on the opportunity. I can find good pairings, Okay, I go,
I can find parents, But like Tyler Cameron will bring
it all. Now, now you tell me who else can

(37:57):
bring it all? Ben, I mean, I think that Ruth
Spencer's could probably pull a fairly good audience. I think
if you're looking to revitalize ratings, though, you're probably gonna
have to pull somebody from past seasons just because this
show had more viewership back then. And so I mean,
I don't disagree. I think Peter might be a little

(38:17):
far removed for people to get super pumped up. But
I do think Mike Johnson, I think, um, Michael A
could probably do a pretty good job. Michael Lake could
do a great job. If he doesn't end up with
somebody from Paradise would be a great, great transition in
I think that it may have been their intention with

(38:39):
him on Paradise. Yeah, I mean I think it's hard.
I mean I think you look at Tyler Cameron and
people go, yeah, he is a celebrity, he has made
his way outside is I just don't think there's any shot.
I don't think there's any reason I wouldn't do it
if I was him. I mean, it would just be
a really hard sell. Uh. And then I feel like

(39:01):
the season would almost have too much weight on him,
and it would it that might, in my opinion, be
the death of the show because you have this this
person that you're gonna put up. You're gonna let negotiate
what they want, what they don't want, look how he
wants and not once and then all of a sudden,

(39:22):
the show dramatically changes forever. I don't think you ever
get it back. And so maybe as a finale, maybe
as a final season. I get it, but I don't
see that being a healthy stepping stone for the show. Um,
I just see it going backwards from there quickly again.
And so uh no, I don't I don't see the
show making a decision. I don't see Tyler making that decision.

(39:44):
I'm not saying I see it. I'm saying that that's
what would be, in my opinion, a saving grace. Okay,
so shall we go to headlines. No, not quite yet,
because we do have a few more things actually to
touch on. We do have the cruise giveaway everybody in
the audience because the cruise it's good for five more months.

(40:05):
I heard, Uh wait, they have five months to do it.
It's good till the end of the year. Is the
rumor being spread and it only leaves out of two
ports Miami and somewhere else. Um, but hey, you get
a free cruise like by the plaint advantage. It's pretty
definitely not life changing for Bachelor Nation at all. But

(40:26):
if somebody has a free cruise and then they go
on that cruise and they find their husband, could be
life changing. I would love to see it. Um. Well,
actually that's all we have from mentell all it Uh.
It definitely felt uh like an unnecessary, unnecessary watch from

(40:48):
my opinion. We're not even gonna get into all the ads.
That's why this is so quick, because there was a
lot of sneak peaks and ads and trailers for things
Paradise does look cool. I'll say that I'm excited to
watch Paradise. I am as excited as I ever am
to watch Paradise. I think it's a great show. I
think it's a lot of fun to watch. I think
it doesn't have the issues that this show has right now.
Uh and so as a result, super pump that that's

(41:11):
coming out and that we can start getting excited for that. Actually,
it is time for headlines today. We have a few
to get into. UM. After we scroll through our headlines,

(41:31):
just have a ton of Twitter reactions the last night's episode,
UM Shackling. None of them are great, but the first
one is this Peter Webber likes post about reuniting with
Kelly flannagain, jokes about having impure thoughts about her. WHOA,
this is the we need guys. This brings me alive.

(41:53):
Can did you know about this? And you been following
this story for the past week or so? Yeah? I have.
It is Fastiday. These two have talked so much smack
about each other and now they're just back together. Okay,
so this is the quote proof that we have right now,
besides the photos that we've seen them together, which is

(42:15):
enough proof for me. Um Kelly posted this picture on
Instagram on Sunday. Somebody I just a fan said having
impure thoughts miss houghtie with lots of fire signs, and
then Peter responded underneath it and said same. Uh. Somebody
also commented under the picture happy you guys found your

(42:37):
way back together, and he liked it. Nohow, I love
this story. It's so juicy. It's juicy, but it's kind
of like it's like a you know, like the like
they like each other. They were so mad at each other.
There's so much pain and resentment for whatever reason, we
never really know why. Now they're back together. I wonder

(42:59):
what this conversations were like as they tried to reconcile
and spend more time investing each other. I wonder if
it was always kind of this, I'm into you, I'm
into you, but I don't like you for some reason,
And now they're finding themselves back together. This is why
we need a reality show that documents our lives post show,
because this stuff would be such a good TV. And

(43:22):
what I like about this relationship that I find so
interesting is because I've never had a relationship like this,
and these two people just like they have that thing
where they probably fight all day and it's firing and
see me and there's probably lots of makeup sex and
it's just passionate and they're not always nice to each other,

(43:43):
but it's hot, but it's hot. It sounds like a
movie you just you just made up in your mind
that they are to me, jeez. Next headline is this
Bachelor a favorite? Andrew Spencer gets real about his life
changing time and Paradise. He just said that basically that
the people who have never been down there, it was

(44:03):
a shock. It was a shocking experience, which is what
I've warned people every time they go to Paradise. I'm like, listen.
It is a totally different environment and process and the show.
The show can be so much fun. Paradise can change
your life for the for the better. Of course, look
who's on my lap right now? But it is emotional

(44:25):
boot camp. It never stops. You get to rest on
the main show, but you never stops testing you Paradise
and then just as far as like a fun little quote,
Andrew says that the best thing to bring down there
for anybody who is going to be down there next
is a fan. He said, some people brought three or

(44:48):
four fans, and some people didn't break any. But it's
a very vital part to having a comfortable experience down there.
I can imagine. I'm excited to see him on Paradise
me too. He's the sweetest. Katie Thurston amidst John Hersey
dumped her, her quote is a blessing in disguise. Guys,

(45:08):
we got so much tea from Katie Thurston. On Caitlin's
podcast this week, she says that technically they broke up twice.
The first time no one knew about it. Uh wait,
like a week or two later we kind of worked
through it and decided to get back together, So I
thought we were golden. However, in June she said that

(45:30):
the final split was unavoidable, explaining that she knew um
more reasons why he did not like her than liked her.
That is a really feeling, she said. And she said,
as for the relationship tipping point, Um she was piste

(45:55):
off by John wanting her to take surfing lessons after
she learned how to skydive. She said, I knew nothing
um I did was ever going to be good enough.
So she obviously like she took skydiving lessons for him,
and then he wanted her to take surfing lessons, and
then she said, ultimately it was really a blessing in

(46:16):
disguise because I think I would have stuck it out
longer than I should have. And she says that in
reference to the fact that he broke up with her,
and she said, initially after the breakup, it was the
saddest she's ever been, but now she's in a very
good place after a trip to Mexico and a secret
hook up. So the best way to get over someone

(46:37):
is to get under someone. That's that's a quote, that's act.
Isn't that a lot a lot of that's a T
shirt right there? Um, the you know, the next headline is,
you know Katie went on during this podcast. I guess
you could just listen to Caitlin's podcast because there's a

(46:57):
lot that she talked about when it comes to Nick File,
when it comes to the breakup, when it comes to
kind of the Nick File and Katie Thurston feud. Also,
we have a headline here about Blake Horsemen and Nick
File feud. You can listen and pull all those things
up to read them on your own here. Uh, hello buddy. Um.

(47:17):
But in short, Katie and Nick are still feuding, and
Blake and Nick are still feuding. Uh, they have not reconciled.
Um there their differences. Yes, Blake. Blake was asked about
this on the red carpet at the v m As
and he literally just said he's tried. Uh, it's just
not gonna happen between the two of them. It's like

(47:38):
rather exhausting. I just want to ask you, Ben, as
somebody who's pretty good friends with both of them, what's
it takes only they like each other? I mean I don't.
I don't know, Like I guess like you have think
this big family, you know, we all don't we're not
all going to get along. Yeah, I uh, you know

(47:59):
they're both him at bachelor party. I thought that could
I thought that could be a good a good way
to reconcile. It didn't happen. It doesn't seem like um
friends with both of them. I think they're probably Uh.
I just don't. I think it's one of those things
where you you need to stop talking about the other person,
like Blake need to stop talking about Nick Nickson needs
to stop talking about Blake. They need to move on.

(48:20):
Understand that they're not gonna see Ida and they're not
gonna get along, and there's no healthiness or good things
coming from them feuding publicly because it just ends up
bringing up wounds not only for them but other people
that have been affected because of their feud. Uh. And
I think that's just unnecessary to bring, you know, to
bring these things up, make them headlines. Uh. And then

(48:42):
when these headlines come out, it mentions, um, the reason
why they're feuding in the first place, and it's like this,
this isn't fair to that person. You know, and specific
I'm talking Klinklin gets brought up in these conversations when
it's written about it's like she's moved on. People need
to move on. It's time to move on. Um. When
it comes to Katie and Nick, I don't know as much, right,

(49:05):
I'm not around Katie. Yeah, you don't need to comment
personally on that one because we don't really we all
don't really know Katie personally. But the podcast with Katlan
obviously brings out what Katie feels the details of this,
so um so yeah, that's what I think. Anything to
need to stop that would be my my friend opinion
to the both of them. Uh. Next timeline is this

(49:26):
inside Joe and Serena's a dreamy elevated boho engagement party.
This according to people, Yeah, one year after getting engaged
in Bachelor in Paradise, they finally celebrate the minal milestone
in Toronto, Canada at the one hotel that was initially
like not part of their pre wedding plans to have
a party like this. Serena said, I think my parents

(49:47):
originally brought the idea to us of an engagement party
just because we had an unconventional engagement. We got engaged
and it was secret for a long period of time,
so this was a nice idea to bring some sort
of family and close friends together to celebrate A whole
year later, she says that it all happened so fast
and now they're a year into it, and they realized

(50:09):
that their parents had never met in person, so this
is a good way for their parents to meet and
all their close friends to meet each other's close friends,
and they're happy that I finally happened, um, even if
it was a little bit of a delay. She said
that the elevated Boho vibes she loves it is really
beautiful space, lots of wood and greenery and a nice
bar area. She said that that just that that like style,

(50:33):
elevated Boho kind of encapitulates the couple's style together. Lots
of little twinkly lights and candles and neutral colors. They
wanted something soft and romantic while still looking luxurious and modern. Um.
They're also both huge foodies. We know Joe is. We
just started selling his Sauce Sundays with Joe at Audrey's

(50:54):
and they even had a sausage table. Guys. They had
a sausage stand of a whole bunch of different sausages
with toppings. And Joe is also a huge cookie guy,
so they had a nice little dessert spread there as
well as your coottery board. So I'm obviously just painting
a huge picture of what it looked like they're at

(51:16):
the at the party, So I wonder if their wedding
will look very similar. Happy for them, a beautiful, beautiful
engagement they're having obviously we're just with Joe. That Will
wasn't Sarah's wedding, and he's looking stunning, looking good, being
cool like he always is. Well, hey, that's all we
have for today, uh, Bachelor Nation. We encourage you to

(51:37):
keep listening to this podcast to hear are are what
we attempt to have our most unbiased perspective on this show,
both positive and negative, and quite frankly, I could have
gone without this mentel all. I feel like a lot
of us could. So until next time week, until when

(51:58):
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