August 20, 2024 • 43 mins
We only have a few weeks left of Jenn Tran’s season of The Bachelorette! Ashley brought in an expert to help dissect this week’s episode when former Bachelorette Rachel Recchia stops by!
Find out who from Jenn’s cast Rachel wants a shot with! And Ashley doesn’t let up when asking Rachel about her history with Blake Moynes! We get the whole story!
Plus, Ashley reveals which guy she thinks is authentically into Jenn… but Rachel isn’t on board.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey, guys, welcome to the almost of his podcast. This
week Ben is he's a NAPA doing a zillion interviews
with Almost Famous. I am too new for a mom
to go on that trip, So today I'm doing the
recap with our friend Rachel Reccia. Hello, Rachel, Hello, as
It's so good to be back with us too.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I miss us doing podcasts together.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Love that it's always a good one. It's always going.
I appreciate you being here and you caught up this week.
He fell a little bit behind. But before we get
into the episode, we just have to talk about this
picture with you and Blake Moyins. And like, I know
that you guys keep saying that you're just friends, but like,
maybe why I fee friends because I'm looking at a
(00:55):
picture of you guys at an event for the oceans. Yeah,
was it one of his his saving the world things exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You know him very uh conservationist. But yeah, we went
to an event together, so he flew to LA But
everyone wants us to be a couple so bad. I
feel like we always like addressed the rumor over and
over again, but we're still not a couple. We're still I.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Still don't believe you, Like and I believe that you're
not a couple, but I don't believe that you guys
have like never made out, Like you definitely made out.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We literally have it. At this point, I always say,
I'm like, we just should because I mean we could
just say, yeah, we made out, it wasn't good, but.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
No, what if you made out and it was really good?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Maybe we should?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, Like you know how, sometimes like there was this
one guy friend that I was twenty two. Okay, this
is a long time ago, guys, but I remember the
age that was at because we got monumental and I
was like never thought of I would like, never thought
about making out with him. And then we were just
like at a club in New York City and it
was like whoa, so you know, and I was like
(02:02):
what that was the best kiss ever? And then I
was like obsessed with him for like a year, and
like it was it wasn't that it was like like
he definitely would have Why am I getting into this?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I want to Definitely he was like he was like
he was into me enough, but like he was not
like looking for a relationship or anything like that. But
I was like way hung up on it just because
this one great night.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I feel that I was just like, we went to
Paradise together. We've been friends and done trips like for
over a year. If it was meant to be, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It would have happened, it already happened.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, And it's just I love He's like my most
solid guy friend. I go for everything. So I also
am like, who would I go to then if we
were to have that weird like kiss and then things
got awkward.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, maybe do it now before it gets really awkward
one day because you're still it's still in like the
fresh friend territory and enough you guys look really cute together.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I actually I was surprised he wasn't chosen to bachelor.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Okay, did you think that he was? Because I saw
that he was in like the speculation handful.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean, there's always speculation, and I think they talked
to so many people. I just think he's like, he
would be such a good bachelor. I want to watch
wildlife dates.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Wildlife dates would be good. But I just think that
he has the emotional maturity to really handle it and
a familiarity with the audience, or that the audience is
so familiar with him that it would just be like
a really really fun easy watch for us.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I agree maybe one maybe one year another time. I
think Grant's a good pick too. I just feel like
I don't know him at all, Like I don't know
anything about him, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
This episode makes it even weirder that Grant is the
Bachelor and we like Gant, We totally do. He's super hot,
seems very sweet. But also why I understand why not
Jeremy because he was eliminated this episode, But why not
Jonathan if he doesn't make it? Why not even Devin
because Devin would be so interesting? Why not Marcus because
(04:19):
he would be so great, But I think that Marcus
might need to go too slow for a bachelor process.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Agreed after this episode. Before that, I would have said
one hundred Marcus and Jonathan. I think especially Jonathan.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Oh my god, Jonathan is so hot, like as a
married woman, like I just need to say that, he's
like he was very much my type. He's so gorgeous, agreed.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
In his voice, Like his voice is hot, his tattoos
are hot.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, Now, Rachel would you go to paradise. If Jonathan went.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I think I have to be done with Paradise.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But like it's tempting still, right, the guys.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
This season, they're a little tempting. I think I really
have to call it because if I don't call it, now,
where's the end? I know.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's how I felt after three too, but I did four.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Before three was not lucky. They said third was fisty,
the best.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Third was the worst. For me, say, okay, maybe we
have to do it for it, So who's the other guy?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But you'd be tempted to go to paradise for.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Me and Genevieve, And like, we all watched this episode
and we both agree, Grant is so hot. We thought
Austin was really cute and Austin.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, Austin was really cute, but we didn't really get
to know him. She I didn't think they had Yeah,
they didn't really have a connection.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I was shocked. He just went home in the middle
of the group too. I was like, you couldn't wait
one more day? I thought that was a little weird. Yeah,
but here we are at hometowns.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Here we are at hometowns, and and how I don't know,
fastest feeling season ever the now we started out not
being recorded, and you said you liked this episode, and
I was like, let's talk about that, because I did
not like this episode. There was nothing memorable to me
about it really, But then again, maybe I have absolute
(06:15):
like newborn mom brain because I'm watching it and I
always tell Ben you know, I was like, oh, like
I determine how good an episode is based on, like
whether I find myself scrolling on Instagram during the episode,
and I wasn't scrolling. I was fully paying attention. But
it didn't. It didn't. I didn't remember anything, Like I'm
(06:36):
in the middle of Jonathan's date, the third date, and
I'm like, Devn's mom, what did Devon's mom look like?
Who was at his hometown? I couldn't remember like forty
minutes before. So what was the standout? Was there any
standout moments for you? Because my only standout moment, I'll
tell you off the bat, was probably just Devn's in.
(06:58):
Devon seems the most authentically into her, and I think
like his I Love you was the moment for me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
See I that's the one person I disagree. I think.
I was telling Ben this and I'm probably projecting so
hard on him.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Okay, yeah, but my own thing. Okay, you find Tino,
you feel, you'll feel Tino vibes.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I just feel. And I could be so wrong, and
I'll eat my words at aofar if she does choose
to be with him or whoever. But if I was Jen,
it seems like she's going in the same direction because
he has this vibe of he knows how and when
to say the right things, when to do the right things.
(07:44):
And maybe maybe he is into her. I think he
is into her, but there is the element of it's
a game to him and he's the person I feel
that way.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Okay, now you say that, I can see that perspective.
Maybe I'm being Maybe I'm a great target for the game.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I don't know. I think Jonathan's connection with her is
the most authentic.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Really, see I think Jonathan, I don't think she's there
with him?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
No, But let me go back to Devon for a second.
Devon is the one that makes me feel most secure,
like he's not going to leave her, like he's not
going to change his mind mid experience. Everybody else, well,
Marcus is like a whole conversation. We'll get there, we'll
get there, we'll get there. Okay, But but right now,
(08:34):
because we have three remaining and maybe we're jumping the
gun because we're not going through. I haven't gone through
the episode yet, but of the three remaining, you feel
most secure with Jonathan's connection. I feel most secure with Devon.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yes, if she ends up with Jonathan, I see it
as like a charity in Dawton, Zach and Katie, like
they will last. That's the one right now that I
see And before this I would have said.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Marcus, see, I feel like that for Jonathan as a man,
Like in general, I'm like, he's a man that I
trust and I just like think that he's goodness. But
with the connection between the two him, I'm just not
sure is one there yet? All Right, So let's let's
(09:24):
let's go through the episode a bit. So Devin's they
do the running club thing. That's cute, a good Oh.
I would have been like, I hate you for this.
I hope that they like know, like the producers obviously
know Jen enough to be like, oh, she'll be down
for this, because I I if you were like, you're
(09:45):
gonna run more than a quarter of a mile. I
would have been like, I'm sorry, my body doesn't do that.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I would have been crawling, like, can we just go
to a nice bar, have a nice cocktail, show me
where you like to hang out in Houston. Love that
he has an outlet, though, and that she got to
meet his friends. That was really nice. She got to
meet his dog, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yep, that was cute.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'm seeing that very sweet. I was surprised that at
the beginning of this episode she said, if you would
have told me Devin was going to hometowns, I wouldn't
have to believed deal.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Neither do I think any of us. That's maybe why
I'm into Devon right now is because his character arc
has just been ever evolving.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I called me and Ben were like, he's mid season elimination.
This man is not going past week four, so he's
the survivor.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And here I am being like, you should pick him. Oh,
I know. He just is so multidimensional that maybe I
just find him interesting and I like dislike him on
my TV.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And they did comment on the Pete Davidson Yeah, fine.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Multiple times now oh she already did.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah. And then to the running group, she was like
doesn't he look like Pete Davidson And they all agreed.
I'm like, okay, so we're all on the same page.
He's very good looking.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, he has it's the Pete Davidson mouth that he has.
And then he does have that big energy yes, BD
whatever BD.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean this guy is in the you know, he's
probably in great shape, but like when he took his
clothes off at the thunder down Under, by far the
least uh, you know, aesthetically looking in shape. He looks
in shape. Guys. We're just saying that. The rest of
the guys you know, have like six packs and they're
(11:31):
like got oil all over their bodies and he's just
like looking normal ish. Yes, I agree, But but my
whole point of saying that is that he still is
able to like conduct himself with such confidence and be attractive.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He has something then feels it. Yeah, because even at
the end of this episode two, well okay, I'm jumping
the gun again.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, no, no, jump the gun, jump the gun a little bit,
because at the end, this is what we do. We're girls.
We're just like that does God a terrain of thought
that always keeps me in line.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I know, we need so at the end of this
episode or not at the end of this episode. I
guess at the end of each hometown this episode, every
guy did the same day. I'm like, come on, you
guys are all following this pattern.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
What I'm falling in love with you? Yes, But Devin's
was different. Rangel, that's the thing. He said, I'm in
love with you.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yes. But they all feel like they have to do
it at this specific point, and I feel like Devin
knows he has to say that.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
To be different and to be ahead of the game.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yes, they know what they need to do to go
to next week. Like it feels like everyone was kind
of a little bit playing a game at the end
of each hometown, which I just wish it came more
like authentic throughout the season, like when they really felt
these feelings, they told her instead of waiting and having
(13:00):
Jen tell the parents and the parents having to push
the men like why are you saying? How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, that's what we see most notably in Devon's hometown.
It was his mom that was like, Yeah, it's uncomfortable
to tell a girl that has three other boyfriends that
you love her, but you've got to do it as
far as the family goes. That's really my biggest takeaway
with Devin's Is there anything else worth mentioning you feel?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I wrote that the mom was so sweet. It was Jennifer.
I think, yeah, yeah, I was just like, this hometown
was so good, Like, yeah, I think it was so smooth.
They told her that they could see her fitting in
with their family. I think she heard everything she needed
to hear. He feels the support from his family to
move forward. It was just it was a great hometown.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It was just good. There was nothing wrong with it.
There was really nothing wrong with any of the hometowns.
This is which I was, which made for not a
very dramatic episode, which is why I think I probably
was just like.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
But then we got Marcus spiraling.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But then we got Marcus, And we'll get there in
a couple of minutes, because let's talk about Jeremy's hometown first,
in Fairfield, Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
The East Coast.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The first thing that stood out to me was that
jen said, I feel so strongly about our connection that
I waited to bring him on the one on one
until last week, and I was like, holy crap, Ben
and I have been really off with that then, because
we've been like, why is Jeremy still around? I started
to think I understood why Jeremy was around last week,
(14:35):
but for Gent too felt so strongly the entire time.
That was surprising to me. What about you?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think that this was supposed to be Sam Emm's
hometown and that if things would have went smoother on
that group day, if he didn't implode, I think this
would have been him.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, I completely agree with you, But then why do
you think that she says that she felt so secure
about them the entire time?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think maybe she wasn't thinking about him as much,
knowing who her final four were at that point, and
then she decided to give Jeremy this date and realized
how much of a connection they do have. Because I
do see it. I think they're really fun together. Just
he was very surprising to get a hometown from my
(15:21):
point of view.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Also, he reminded me that he was the one that
drove up in the sports car and had the line
about having a big wing, you know, wong or whatever.
I was like, wait a second, no, that's you Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I couldn't believe he brought that up in front of
his parents. Like they have a great relationship, because I
would have just prayed it didn't err and they would
have cut my entrance at that point. But we love
that they all got a laugh out of it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I know, Ben and I definitely like mentally eliminated
him early on, and then I just realized that that's
the same.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
She had some like wild entrances in her final four,
like Jonathan's was in the cast, like we didn't even
know what he looked like.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Oh well, Jonathan covering his face was the weirdest thing.
Once he revealed himself, I was like, you are not
the guy that should be doing that. I know, what
if it was not a good move, Like what if
she had what if she just didn't take the time done.
I don't know. It's just a weird entrance for somebody
who is very attractive.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
They were giving her a surprise for later, but I
thought his hometown was I get there was. I think
they were trying to make it a little bit more dramatic.
The sister was definitely giving them a little bit more
of a hard time. But I wrote, I'm like with
reason because he also is giving nothing to the family.
(16:45):
I was like, is he going to tell them what
he likes about her, the qualities, how he knows it's
a little late, but he really sees her as his wife.
He was just like, we have fun.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, Yeah, he started showing doubt for like he started,
he showed more doubt with the family than he has
ever I But then you know, they did have to
kind of finesse it so that somebody's hometown was like
the oh, he's the one that may not be ready
to get engaged, but he did have They have Marcus
(17:15):
for that. But Marcus feels different. It feels deeper. It
feels like like in his character, we don't there's just
a lot up in the air. But with Jeremy, it
was like is he ready for an engagement? It just
felt like a lighter version of it.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, And I mean kind of on the same lines
as Sam where she was like do you really know me?
I feel like she maybe feels that in the back
front mine with Jeremy because it's so new, asking him
is he ready for an engagement? Meeting the family, it
feels kind of like maybe it's a little too late
in the game for them.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, he had like to catch up and like it's
just one of those classic scenarios. It's like, oh, we're
not going to be able to get there based on
where I am with the other guys. But the grocery
store was so fun. I was like, what kind of
grocery store is this? I want to go? Yeah, how
the ant happened to be there and that seemed authentic.
(18:10):
I don't think that the producers planted that.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Is that very like New England just to run in?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yesore, Yes, that would happen to Jared on a hometown
if he went to the grocery store one thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They got the lobster role.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, it's just I mean, yeah, it was cute, it
was fun.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
The daytime dates were not impressing me as much.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah for this home, No, because Jonathan's was Lacrosse and
I'm Marcus and Marcus had nothing. But we'll again, We'll
get to that in a second. Yeah. The one last
thing I want to bring up about Jeremy's hometown is
that they had this line from the mom that says,
(18:55):
when I heard Jen describe what she looks for and
a guy, I thought to myself, that's not Jeremy, and
so I thought that was going to be a theme
in you know that part of the date, and it wasn't.
They never brought it up again. But then I had
to go look online and be like, oh, what is
the what is like the canned line that she said
(19:17):
she was looking for on the Bachelorette And she said,
a really big personality, someone who can take it as
much as they dish it, and somebody who's really good
at cheeky banter. So I don't know whether or not
the mom was being sarcastic there, because he certainly can
have the cheeky banter with her and condition and he
seems to have a pretty he seems he has a personality.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I think so too, like they have so much fun
on their date. Yeah, yeah, that is interesting obviously moms.
I feel like, no, their sounds at a deeper level.
So maybe she feels he's more reserved, But I thought, yeah, there,
there wasn't any sort of animosity or conflict at all
with mom. I think she was asking the right questions
(20:01):
and I think giving Jen a chance, which is something
a lot of parents don't do. On Home Johns, they
kind of want to take it out on the lead
that the process is the process.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And yeah, oh they just hate the fact that they
have other boys, friends or girlfriends or whatever. Yes, they're
on the Bachelor's Lash Bachelorette. Well, what did your dad?
Your dad was the king of that, wasn't he?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
My dad was the worst. He knows the show and
he's like, what about my daughter? I'm like whatever, But yeah,
all the parents I thought were good this season.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You know what was missing though, a big dad figure.
It was it was the mom show. Jonathan's dad didn't
even talk.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah that we had Devin's dad.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, Den's dad who he doesn't have a you know,
the closest relationship to. But he said that he wanted
to get his approval on the girl. All right, Well
let's go on to Jonathan's date then. Yeah, the it's
a throwaway the beginning where they play lacrosse. I barely
absorbed any of it, but we do get brought up
(21:09):
a lot again that he has like a distrust with
women because of how his ex went about things, and
he's just afraid of getting in deep with somebody who
is like not on the same page, the classic classic
We know this, but he does.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Have that same I guess him and Jen are able
to bond on that since they both had those pretty
traumatic relationships. Yeah, but I will say Jonathan's brother and
sister in law did bring a little bit of a
little bit of drama, not too much talking about how
they met on Tinder and they said I love you
on the third date. But I think his brother was
(21:47):
also he was a little protective questions.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, but they also seem to be more on her,
like more on her side and supportive than anything, because
they're like, we understand a fast process. We said I
you on the third day. You know all that.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Now, not much to note really, not.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Really not much to know on that hometown.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Mom, she was very sweet. Oh she did say that
she absolutely sees him being with her long term.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And case that's right.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, she was very confident, Yes, and I remember noting that.
But other than that, Jen is again just asking these moms,
do you think he can open up? He's holding back?
It seems like she feels this way about a lot
of that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, except for I guess with Devin, she doesn't really
feel like he's holding back. Everybody else had that. There
was that theme and then we're going to see it
apparently play into next week's episode when or Yeah, fantasy
sweets when all of them start showing doubt, or the
scenes from the next episode show each of them showing
(22:57):
doubt about whether or not they can get there, presumably
to an engagement. Now, I think some of this is editing.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Still, the conversation she has with Marcus, for she says.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Oh, no, Marcus is gonna be legit. The other two,
I don't believe that they have as many reservations.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I don't know if I'm gonna have to close my
eyes watching it when she says it first, Like, as
a lead, you're always so scared to say anything first.
You kind of wait to see where they're at. Yeah,
for her to say I love you first and he
says like, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Basically that's yes, yes, yes, yes, that's when they're gonna
He's gonna he's gonna have to leave. I think he's
gonna have you think, yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It seems to me that she really, really really likes him,
and I think if he gives her just a little
bit more, she will.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think he's her pick, but I also feel like
she he's her pick because he's like playing hard to
get well, he's not playing it, he's just hard to get,
and I think that everybody he naturally likes that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Interesting because I feel like that's more of a theme
for the Bachelor's and the girls normally choose who is.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Like, well, I think you chose somebody who was very
confident in like expressing feelings. So is that like more
your style? Like you like it when somebody says exactly
how they feel because I like a heart to get.
Oh surprise, Well.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I do too, of course, like normally in real life.
But I was so scarred by my time on the Bachelor. Yeah,
with Clayton, in my opinion, like going after someone who
was like I don't want to be a part of
this and not giving him what he wanted. I'm like,
I'm not gonna go for the person who changes their
mind or who is unsure of me. So I was like,
(24:44):
all right, he's sure this has to be the right decision.
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Nobody there was your right decision, that's the bottom line.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, No, that was rough. That was rough.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You wouldn't have ended up with any of those guys.
Let's move on to Marcus's home date hometown day. So
let's talk about last week's episode really quick, especially since
it's freshing your mind as you just caught up. I
(25:17):
was also not recapping last week because I had I
was on mom duty and I really wanted to talk
about Marcus's story, which was, you know, so sad. I
can't I can't even believe that there are people like
that that drop their kids off at daycare and they
don't come back. I'm beyond me. But then he never
(25:43):
clarified like what happened to the rest of his childhood
and whether he was adopted, and I was so interested
in how that turned out. We find out in this
episode that he was adopted because he said, my adoptive
parents won't be there, but these like elder friends of
mine will. What was your thoughts on that, you wonder
the same thing? Was I missing something?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
No? It was horrific, and I was really glad. I
told Jen. She was crying. We were like in shock
because you would just never expect something like that ever.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Few times have I been watching the show and just
like I freeze in just in shock.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I know, and he's been through so much, He's a
veteran and to go through this. I was glad he
did get that time with Jen to tell her before hometowns.
It was, I mean horrific. I'm so glad he has
that relationship with his sister though, and you can really
tell in his hometown that he is surrounded really love him.
(26:47):
So that was really really amazing to see on this hometown.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
My bad for saying that Devin was the standout of
this episode. It was actually the sister because there's something
that radiated off the sister that really.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
When Jen started crying, like how comfortable she has to be,
like her presence and her energy. Yeah, that was such
a beautiful moment on this episode to like see Jen really,
like I feel like this is the first time she's
been like one hundred percent authentic, Like you could really
see the emotion and the fear and everything coming through,
(27:21):
and it's like really beautiful to watch her like get
to this point in the journey.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And I don't know whether it's because of the trauma
that she knows he went through, or whether it is
her the intensity of her feelings for him, but that
was the moment in which I said, Oh, Okay, Marcus
is her topic.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I agree. I think it's obvious that she has I
think she's like in love with him in this moment too. Yeah,
even though she doesn't say it, and she knows he's
falling and she's falling. But I think I think they're
both in love. But watching him spiral at the end
of this episode was actually pretty shocking after seeing such
an incredible home job.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, well, I'm curious as to what, like, you know,
I want to know more about his his life. I
don't know if we'll get it. It was also weird
that they and that's fine if some things he asked
to keep private, Like that's totally fine and like awesome
if they respected keeping certain things private, which may have
(28:25):
been why the adoptive parents weren't there. But but it
was weird that they would have eliminated his daytime portion
of the date. I thought we were going to get
a nighttime portion because you know how sometimes they like
have like a picnic or a barbecue and then they
do it at the night. And I was shocked that
we're not going to get that with Marcus of all people,
and they're going to give us this boy meeting at
(28:47):
a bar instead. So we got we got the group
the boy group chat instead of whatever they did, and
all it was supposed.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
To do was make Marcus Spire was.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Make Mark feel probably worse and weirder for not being there,
you know, not having those feelings there yet. But like
I just didn't think we needed We just did. We
didn't need to see it. They could have taped it,
but it wasn't It wasn't very consequential.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I just think I wrote like even down, like this
is so unnecessary because I remember being at this point
on The Bachelor and everyone being like, all right, this
is the time and the journey where yeah, you see
your friends and it's nice like in passing, but it
is all about your relationship and you need to be
focusing on that. And I feel like this is hindering everyone.
(29:42):
Why do they need to be hearing about the hometown
and who loves who? Like? It just is going to
affect everything negatively. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Do you think that possibly we're looking at it in
an interesting way because we're looking at it as a
way of Mark is to kind of start to go
go even further down the whirlpool of worry, Or you
think that they possibly were trying to get this is
my producer brand hat. Do you think that they were
(30:13):
trying to get his doubts to get into the heads
of the other guys and be like, oh, wait a second,
I'm also doubting because that's kind of what the next
episode looks like.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I don't maybe I just feel like when you have
a bunch of guys, especially around someone like, for example, Devin,
who has this like my hometown went great, it went perfect,
it went this, and then even if you think yours
went well, all the other guys are going to start
getting in their head. So it just feels like, what
(30:44):
was the point of this, because Jen is getting engaged
at the end of this, Why are we going.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
To make guys feel ways about each other. There's no
need for guys to feel ways about each other right
now because they're going to be so separate, and it's.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Just like they start to really get in their head. Like, actually,
I remember my overnight dates people telling me like, oh,
we just thought you would already pick Tino because he's
so confident in the way he speaks, and it's just like,
no one needs to be around each other at this
late in the journey, like in my opinion, but.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Then you also are getting a lot more alone time,
just you and your own brain, because beforehand it's constantly
social hour and now at this point you're in a
hotel room by yourself most of the day.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, okay, so at the end of the episode, I'm
I'm wondering after this conversation whether one of the guys
is gonna bring this up to her. And I thought
it could have been Jeremy when he got eliminated sitting
to hert with her on the bench, but it seemed
to not bring up I mean, nobody said anything yet.
(31:52):
Do you think that these guys are just gonna blow
it off or do you think that this could be
something that comes back up, like hey, we had beers
the other day in mar Because it is like he's
not so sure.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I feel like if it does come up, it could
be like maybe in her overnights, like when the camera's off. Yeah,
I know that's when things were brought to me. Yeah,
because at this point, I feel like the drama like
they're not trying to make drama anymore. It's like, can
I get engaged in four days because at this point,
like how many days are left? Yeah, I would be
(32:23):
shocked if it is brought up on here.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't think it will be but again, just why
do it with the other guys? It just felt weird.
I wonder if his hometown date was like a total
bus and it was really bad TV and they're just like, oh,
we can throw this out.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Well, also, like it just feels weird that everything was
happening during the day.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh yeah, so they had already done it during the day,
but during the night time, but they may have had
who knows what happens at night. Yeah, Brad Dowton had
it at night.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah. I normally feel like all mine are at night. No, the.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Family part is at night, and then the daytime date
is all during the day.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah. It just was cut short so we got to
see Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, but weird next week but next week well okay,
well John Jeremy was eliminated and nobody was surprised. Absolutely
nobody was surprised. He handled it beautifully though, Wasn't he
just so kind?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
He was? And I loved how they try to make
kids seem like is it going to be Marcus, Like, no,
Marcus is not going home, Like he was standing up
at all the camera angles. But I think Jeremy was
just happy to be there at this point.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, but he was very He's handled super sweet. He
was like, you're the best, Like I had the greatest
time with you all these you know, he basically said,
like I just want you to end up with somebody
happy over there. It was all great, and then we
can get into the scenes to the next episode, you know,
(33:56):
all mental? Can we just can we just really eliminate
this so nobody needs it anymore?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Mental? Yeah, I mean I do want to see her
Sam to fill Yes, I.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Am as sure a fool, an absolute fool insanity.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, And then him doubling down online and his.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Family can you fill me in on that?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
So he is very upset about his edit.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I know. And then the family said that you'll find
out why he's so upset, and they.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Were like basically kind of shading Jen a little bit
and saying she's not as perfect as they edit her.
I just I would love to know the lens that
Sam sees himself through that what he was saying wasn't
real because you said that, like you were the one
that said you wish Daisy and Maria.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Were there and that ever heard wildest thing. Why would
you say that? And also like could you be more
stunning then? Jen? Like you know genuinely.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I mean, all three so beautiful and for you to
be like she's not my type.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
How no, no, Like this is what I was saying to
my friends this weekend when this was brought up. I
was like, Chris Soles wasn't my type, but he's so hot.
I was like, I can that. I was like, if
I gonna pull up in the limo, like, I was like, Okay,
he's hot, he's good looking, you know. I was like, yeah,
I think I like him. You pull up in that
(35:27):
limo and I was like, that's the most stunning man
I've ever seen. I don't care that he's like you know, yeah,
it's just like a blonde guy like he's not. It
doesn't matter because you know, I'm like, you know, I
was like, you know, Jared and Jonathan and those are like,
that's my typical type. It doesn't matter. There's a certain
point where somebody's so attractive that doesn't matter if it's
your type or not.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I you agreed, Jenney. If we were talking to we're like,
we were told we're like getting Andrew and Greg. We
were like Andrew Greg and then all of a sudden
we had Clayton. We didn't even know who he was.
Michelle Seys didn't even air and then all of a
sudden we pull up and I'm like, oh my gosh,
like you are so attracted. Yeah, it doesn't just because
I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I never went up to him. Was like, you know,
I heard Andrew Spencer was supposed to be like, you
just don't say that, like what I Molly Messig's face
is everything to the way she was like, I do
not believe you're speaking to her like that.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I wish that I was in the control room when
that was said, because everybody was like laughing, gasping, draws
on the ground. They couldn't believe that. They just got
content like that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
And he did that himself. No one edited him.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Why wild Wild? Yes, Okay, so next week we do
have Mentella where all these things we addressed, but we
also I cannot wait for fantasy suites where we see
every guy's like, I don't know how to get there
with you. And then she says, what am I doing wrong?
(37:00):
Like am I doing something? And I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
So I really feel like her time with Devon isn't
gonna go poorly.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You think it's gonna go well.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
I think her interview is saying doing something wrong, is
talking about Marcus.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay, I think agree. I think that Jonathan and Devon
it's gonna go well. I think it's probably it's all
frank and bitten. You know, that's what they call it.
When they like put the they're manipulating it to sound
a certain way. Yeah, but then again, I can also
see Devin and now I'm just like word vomiting. I
(37:39):
can see Devon kind of showing a different side to
himself in the Fantasy Suite when the cameras are off.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I feel like that's such a hard thing to do. Like,
I love when people talk about this because I've been
accused of this.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Oh that's right, I've been accused of this.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I think you.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Were accused of being totally different in the Fantasy Suite.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
There is every every one I've been to the Fantasy
Suite with, it's the same. It feels the same to me.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
The person remains to be the same person.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, I mean you learn things, like you definitely are
talking about different things that you wouldn't normally talk about
on camera. I think that is a different conversation. But
I've never experienced like closing a door being like someone
just has a mask off, Like, yeah, I think you
kind of have an idea of them. At a point,
(38:28):
I think Devin's going to keep up this, like it's
almost at this point he's kind of like the perfect
playing it right, Like, yeah, it's going to be the
same into the Fantasy Suite.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Okay, do you think that Marcus is going to make
it into the Fantasy Suite because obviously they're tough. Conversation
happens before it.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
I think the Fantasy Suite is a great time to
do that, to have that off camera time, you.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Should go to the Fantasy Suite. Yeah, but will they
even make it? Is it going to be too awkward
to even get in there.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I think it could maybe play out a way of
like Gabby and Jason's where they kind of had a
fight before and Gabby was like, all right, can we
please just go talk about this in private? Yeah, And
I think when he gets maybe into a room with
her and realizes like it's just her, he might chill
out a little bit. Yeah, because emotions can just be
(39:19):
really high with this engagement kind of looming. But when
you get that moment to go he might be able
to like realize that it's just her and it's it's
all right. But it did not look good from what
we've seen. So this is just me being.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Hopeful this from the girl that just totally forced Jared
into a fantasy suite. But like my point of view
on fantasy suites is just go there, yes, because nothing
needs to happen physically, but you can like find out
so much about the person and just it's it. I
(39:56):
think it's important, agreed, because you can eliminate those one
because if Marcus doesn't go in there, then they could
have like these lingering feelings of like what if we
talked about this, or like what if we did have
alone time, would it turn out any differently? And it's
like makes people feel a sense of like closure, a
(40:17):
better sense of closure.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, agreed. I feel like at this point, like even
if it goes as bad as like one of mine did,
like you owe it to yourself, like you have had
such a strong relationship like to really close the door
and just have that moment of like an off camera conversation.
I think they both owe it to each other, So
I think they will.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
But Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Think I think it's going to be very, very interesting
before and it sucks that we won't be able to
see the inside because I'm sure it will be an
insane conversation.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Okay, Rachel, Well, my final question for you, and I'm
sorry if you had this discussion with Ben, but maybe
it's changed now. What do you see the ending the
season looking like.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
What I wish? My fantasy is that she would pick Jonathan,
but I think at this point, if Marcus gives her
what she needs, it will be Marcus.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Okay, my theory has evolved a bit now. Ben and
I have just been saying all season long, she's not
ending up with anyone. She's not ending up with anyone,
and I thought that perhaps it was because she didn't
feel enough for anyone, And now I think that she
knows that Marcus is the one that she wants to pick,
and he's gonna leave, and then she realizes that she
(41:36):
can never get to where she felt with Marcus with
one of the other two guys, and she's like, I'm
sorry in the game of comparison, like I know I
can't settle for a second place, and I'm just gonna
have to go out in the world and find whoever
does compare to Marcus. That would be wild and it
would perhaps be the first time it ever happened.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Right, No, it would because you feel so much pressure
no matter what, to have that engagement.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, because I remember, I don't know if you watched
back in the day, but what does desiree? People thought
that Brooks was her number one, like the entire season,
and so it felt like she was settling when she
ended up going with Chris. But then, like you know,
you talked to does these days She's like, or like
even then, not not just these days. She was like, No,
that's just the way that they made it seem like
(42:24):
I was pretty certain it was Chris the entire time.
But that would be the most similar storyline that I
can think of right off the bat. But you know,
let me think about it for the rest of the day.
I'm sure somebody might prop it in my head.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, I agree. Even my season, I feel like people
were like never saw my connection with Aban, Like it
was just not shown and the people were like so
confident who the final person was. But I like was
truly like leaning his direction for a majority of the
time until like everything.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Myself, really you were towards eight towards Avan.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, oh, but I mean the way they added Obviously
I did end up with Tina, so like you can
understand maybe why certain things weren't shown as much. But
I think there are connections that can be very strong
that they don't necessarily completely show.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, good times, Rachel, good times. All right, well it's
before you know, it'll be here. We will have our answer.
We will have our answer in two weeks.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
That is the fastest season ever, feels like it. Okay, well,
stay tuned and until then, I've been Ashley, she's been
Rachel and she's awesome. And we'll see you next time. Bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey, guys, welcome to the almost of his podcast. This
week Ben is he's a NAPA doing a zillion interviews
with Almost Famous. I am too new for a mom
to go on that trip, So today I'm doing the
recap with our friend Rachel Reccia. Hello, Rachel, Hello, as
It's so good to be back with us too.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I miss us doing podcasts together.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Love that it's always a good one. It's always going.
I appreciate you being here and you caught up this week.
He fell a little bit behind. But before we get
into the episode, we just have to talk about this
picture with you and Blake Moyins. And like, I know
that you guys keep saying that you're just friends, but like,
maybe why I fee friends because I'm looking at a
(00:55):
picture of you guys at an event for the oceans. Yeah,
was it one of his his saving the world things exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
You know him very uh conservationist. But yeah, we went
to an event together, so he flew to LA But
everyone wants us to be a couple so bad. I
feel like we always like addressed the rumor over and
over again, but we're still not a couple. We're still I.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Still don't believe you, Like and I believe that you're
not a couple, but I don't believe that you guys
have like never made out, Like you definitely made out.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We literally have it. At this point, I always say,
I'm like, we just should because I mean we could
just say, yeah, we made out, it wasn't good, but.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
No, what if you made out and it was really good?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Maybe we should?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, Like you know how, sometimes like there was this
one guy friend that I was twenty two. Okay, this
is a long time ago, guys, but I remember the
age that was at because we got monumental and I
was like never thought of I would like, never thought
about making out with him. And then we were just
like at a club in New York City and it
was like whoa, so you know, and I was like
(02:02):
what that was the best kiss ever? And then I
was like obsessed with him for like a year, and
like it was it wasn't that it was like like
he definitely would have Why am I getting into this?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
No?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I want to Definitely he was like he was like
he was into me enough, but like he was not
like looking for a relationship or anything like that. But
I was like way hung up on it just because
this one great night.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I feel that I was just like, we went to
Paradise together. We've been friends and done trips like for
over a year. If it was meant to be, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It would have happened, it already happened.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, And it's just I love He's like my most
solid guy friend. I go for everything. So I also
am like, who would I go to then if we
were to have that weird like kiss and then things
got awkward.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, maybe do it now before it gets really awkward
one day because you're still it's still in like the
fresh friend territory and enough you guys look really cute together.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I actually I was surprised he wasn't chosen to bachelor.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Okay, did you think that he was? Because I saw
that he was in like the speculation handful.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean, there's always speculation, and I think they talked
to so many people. I just think he's like, he
would be such a good bachelor. I want to watch
wildlife dates.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Wildlife dates would be good. But I just think that
he has the emotional maturity to really handle it and
a familiarity with the audience, or that the audience is
so familiar with him that it would just be like
a really really fun easy watch for us.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I agree maybe one maybe one year another time. I
think Grant's a good pick too. I just feel like
I don't know him at all, Like I don't know
anything about him, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
This episode makes it even weirder that Grant is the
Bachelor and we like Gant, We totally do. He's super hot,
seems very sweet. But also why I understand why not
Jeremy because he was eliminated this episode, But why not
Jonathan if he doesn't make it? Why not even Devin
because Devin would be so interesting? Why not Marcus because
(04:19):
he would be so great, But I think that Marcus
might need to go too slow for a bachelor process.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Agreed after this episode. Before that, I would have said
one hundred Marcus and Jonathan. I think especially Jonathan.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Oh my god, Jonathan is so hot, like as a
married woman, like I just need to say that, he's
like he was very much my type. He's so gorgeous, agreed.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
In his voice, Like his voice is hot, his tattoos
are hot.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, Now, Rachel would you go to paradise. If Jonathan went.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I think I have to be done with Paradise.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But like it's tempting still, right, the guys.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
This season, they're a little tempting. I think I really
have to call it because if I don't call it, now,
where's the end? I know.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's how I felt after three too, but I did four.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Before three was not lucky. They said third was fisty,
the best.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Third was the worst. For me, say, okay, maybe we
have to do it for it, So who's the other guy?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But you'd be tempted to go to paradise for.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Me and Genevieve, And like, we all watched this episode
and we both agree, Grant is so hot. We thought
Austin was really cute and Austin.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, Austin was really cute, but we didn't really get
to know him. She I didn't think they had Yeah,
they didn't really have a connection.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I was shocked. He just went home in the middle
of the group too. I was like, you couldn't wait
one more day? I thought that was a little weird. Yeah,
but here we are at hometowns.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Here we are at hometowns, and and how I don't know,
fastest feeling season ever the now we started out not
being recorded, and you said you liked this episode, and
I was like, let's talk about that, because I did
not like this episode. There was nothing memorable to me
about it really, But then again, maybe I have absolute
(06:15):
like newborn mom brain because I'm watching it and I
always tell Ben you know, I was like, oh, like
I determine how good an episode is based on, like
whether I find myself scrolling on Instagram during the episode,
and I wasn't scrolling. I was fully paying attention. But
it didn't. It didn't. I didn't remember anything, Like I'm
(06:36):
in the middle of Jonathan's date, the third date, and
I'm like, Devn's mom, what did Devon's mom look like?
Who was at his hometown? I couldn't remember like forty
minutes before. So what was the standout? Was there any
standout moments for you? Because my only standout moment, I'll
tell you off the bat, was probably just Devn's in.
(06:58):
Devon seems the most authentically into her, and I think
like his I Love you was the moment for me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
See I that's the one person I disagree. I think.
I was telling Ben this and I'm probably projecting so
hard on him.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Okay, yeah, but my own thing. Okay, you find Tino,
you feel, you'll feel Tino vibes.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I just feel. And I could be so wrong, and
I'll eat my words at aofar if she does choose
to be with him or whoever. But if I was Jen,
it seems like she's going in the same direction because
he has this vibe of he knows how and when
to say the right things, when to do the right things.
(07:44):
And maybe maybe he is into her. I think he
is into her, but there is the element of it's
a game to him and he's the person I feel
that way.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Okay, now you say that, I can see that perspective.
Maybe I'm being Maybe I'm a great target for the game.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I don't know. I think Jonathan's connection with her is
the most authentic.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Really, see I think Jonathan, I don't think she's there
with him?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
No, But let me go back to Devon for a second.
Devon is the one that makes me feel most secure,
like he's not going to leave her, like he's not
going to change his mind mid experience. Everybody else, well,
Marcus is like a whole conversation. We'll get there, we'll
get there, we'll get there. Okay, But but right now,
(08:34):
because we have three remaining and maybe we're jumping the
gun because we're not going through. I haven't gone through
the episode yet, but of the three remaining, you feel
most secure with Jonathan's connection. I feel most secure with Devon.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yes, if she ends up with Jonathan, I see it
as like a charity in Dawton, Zach and Katie, like
they will last. That's the one right now that I
see And before this I would have said.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Marcus, see, I feel like that for Jonathan as a man,
Like in general, I'm like, he's a man that I
trust and I just like think that he's goodness. But
with the connection between the two him, I'm just not
sure is one there yet? All Right, So let's let's
(09:24):
let's go through the episode a bit. So Devin's they
do the running club thing. That's cute, a good Oh.
I would have been like, I hate you for this.
I hope that they like know, like the producers obviously
know Jen enough to be like, oh, she'll be down
for this, because I I if you were like, you're
(09:45):
gonna run more than a quarter of a mile. I
would have been like, I'm sorry, my body doesn't do that.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I would have been crawling, like, can we just go
to a nice bar, have a nice cocktail, show me
where you like to hang out in Houston. Love that
he has an outlet, though, and that she got to
meet his friends. That was really nice. She got to
meet his dog, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yep, that was cute.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'm seeing that very sweet. I was surprised that at
the beginning of this episode she said, if you would
have told me Devin was going to hometowns, I wouldn't
have to believed deal.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Neither do I think any of us. That's maybe why
I'm into Devon right now is because his character arc
has just been ever evolving.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I called me and Ben were like, he's mid season elimination.
This man is not going past week four, so he's
the survivor.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And here I am being like, you should pick him. Oh,
I know. He just is so multidimensional that maybe I
just find him interesting and I like dislike him on
my TV.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And they did comment on the Pete Davidson Yeah, fine.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Multiple times now oh she already did.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah. And then to the running group, she was like
doesn't he look like Pete Davidson And they all agreed.
I'm like, okay, so we're all on the same page.
He's very good looking.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, he has it's the Pete Davidson mouth that he has.
And then he does have that big energy yes, BD
whatever BD.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean this guy is in the you know, he's
probably in great shape, but like when he took his
clothes off at the thunder down Under, by far the
least uh, you know, aesthetically looking in shape. He looks
in shape. Guys. We're just saying that. The rest of
the guys you know, have like six packs and they're
(11:31):
like got oil all over their bodies and he's just
like looking normal ish. Yes, I agree, But but my
whole point of saying that is that he still is
able to like conduct himself with such confidence and be attractive.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He has something then feels it. Yeah, because even at
the end of this episode two, well okay, I'm jumping
the gun again.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, no, no, jump the gun, jump the gun a little bit,
because at the end, this is what we do. We're girls.
We're just like that does God a terrain of thought
that always keeps me in line.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I know, we need so at the end of this
episode or not at the end of this episode. I
guess at the end of each hometown this episode, every
guy did the same day. I'm like, come on, you
guys are all following this pattern.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
What I'm falling in love with you? Yes, But Devin's
was different. Rangel, that's the thing. He said, I'm in
love with you.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yes. But they all feel like they have to do
it at this specific point, and I feel like Devin
knows he has to say that.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
To be different and to be ahead of the game.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yes, they know what they need to do to go
to next week. Like it feels like everyone was kind
of a little bit playing a game at the end
of each hometown, which I just wish it came more
like authentic throughout the season, like when they really felt
these feelings, they told her instead of waiting and having
(13:00):
Jen tell the parents and the parents having to push
the men like why are you saying? How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, that's what we see most notably in Devon's hometown.
It was his mom that was like, Yeah, it's uncomfortable
to tell a girl that has three other boyfriends that
you love her, but you've got to do it as
far as the family goes. That's really my biggest takeaway
with Devin's Is there anything else worth mentioning you feel?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I wrote that the mom was so sweet. It was Jennifer.
I think, yeah, yeah, I was just like, this hometown
was so good, Like, yeah, I think it was so smooth.
They told her that they could see her fitting in
with their family. I think she heard everything she needed
to hear. He feels the support from his family to
move forward. It was just it was a great hometown.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It was just good. There was nothing wrong with it.
There was really nothing wrong with any of the hometowns.
This is which I was, which made for not a
very dramatic episode, which is why I think I probably
was just like.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
But then we got Marcus spiraling.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But then we got Marcus, And we'll get there in
a couple of minutes, because let's talk about Jeremy's hometown first,
in Fairfield, Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
The East Coast.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
The first thing that stood out to me was that
jen said, I feel so strongly about our connection that
I waited to bring him on the one on one
until last week, and I was like, holy crap, Ben
and I have been really off with that then, because
we've been like, why is Jeremy still around? I started
to think I understood why Jeremy was around last week,
(14:35):
but for Gent too felt so strongly the entire time.
That was surprising to me. What about you?
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think that this was supposed to be Sam Emm's
hometown and that if things would have went smoother on
that group day, if he didn't implode, I think this
would have been him.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, I completely agree with you, But then why do
you think that she says that she felt so secure
about them the entire time?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think maybe she wasn't thinking about him as much,
knowing who her final four were at that point, and
then she decided to give Jeremy this date and realized
how much of a connection they do have. Because I
do see it. I think they're really fun together. Just
he was very surprising to get a hometown from my
(15:21):
point of view.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Also, he reminded me that he was the one that
drove up in the sports car and had the line
about having a big wing, you know, wong or whatever.
I was like, wait a second, no, that's you Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I couldn't believe he brought that up in front of
his parents. Like they have a great relationship, because I
would have just prayed it didn't err and they would
have cut my entrance at that point. But we love
that they all got a laugh out of it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I know, Ben and I definitely like mentally eliminated
him early on, and then I just realized that that's
the same.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
She had some like wild entrances in her final four,
like Jonathan's was in the cast, like we didn't even
know what he looked like.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Oh well, Jonathan covering his face was the weirdest thing.
Once he revealed himself, I was like, you are not
the guy that should be doing that. I know, what
if it was not a good move, Like what if
she had what if she just didn't take the time done.
I don't know. It's just a weird entrance for somebody
who is very attractive.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
They were giving her a surprise for later, but I
thought his hometown was I get there was. I think
they were trying to make it a little bit more dramatic.
The sister was definitely giving them a little bit more
of a hard time. But I wrote, I'm like with
reason because he also is giving nothing to the family.
(16:45):
I was like, is he going to tell them what
he likes about her, the qualities, how he knows it's
a little late, but he really sees her as his wife.
He was just like, we have fun.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, Yeah, he started showing doubt for like he started,
he showed more doubt with the family than he has
ever I But then you know, they did have to
kind of finesse it so that somebody's hometown was like
the oh, he's the one that may not be ready
to get engaged, but he did have They have Marcus
(17:15):
for that. But Marcus feels different. It feels deeper. It
feels like like in his character, we don't there's just
a lot up in the air. But with Jeremy, it
was like is he ready for an engagement? It just
felt like a lighter version of it.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, And I mean kind of on the same lines
as Sam where she was like do you really know me?
I feel like she maybe feels that in the back
front mine with Jeremy because it's so new, asking him
is he ready for an engagement? Meeting the family, it
feels kind of like maybe it's a little too late
in the game for them.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, he had like to catch up and like it's
just one of those classic scenarios. It's like, oh, we're
not going to be able to get there based on
where I am with the other guys. But the grocery
store was so fun. I was like, what kind of
grocery store is this? I want to go? Yeah, how
the ant happened to be there and that seemed authentic.
(18:10):
I don't think that the producers planted that.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Is that very like New England just to run in?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yesore, Yes, that would happen to Jared on a hometown
if he went to the grocery store one thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They got the lobster role.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, it's just I mean, yeah, it was cute, it
was fun.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
The daytime dates were not impressing me as much.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah for this home, No, because Jonathan's was Lacrosse and
I'm Marcus and Marcus had nothing. But we'll again, We'll
get to that in a second. Yeah. The one last
thing I want to bring up about Jeremy's hometown is
that they had this line from the mom that says,
(18:55):
when I heard Jen describe what she looks for and
a guy, I thought to myself, that's not Jeremy, and
so I thought that was going to be a theme
in you know that part of the date, and it wasn't.
They never brought it up again. But then I had
to go look online and be like, oh, what is
the what is like the canned line that she said
(19:17):
she was looking for on the Bachelorette And she said,
a really big personality, someone who can take it as
much as they dish it, and somebody who's really good
at cheeky banter. So I don't know whether or not
the mom was being sarcastic there, because he certainly can
have the cheeky banter with her and condition and he
seems to have a pretty he seems he has a personality.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I think so too, like they have so much fun
on their date. Yeah, yeah, that is interesting obviously moms.
I feel like, no, their sounds at a deeper level.
So maybe she feels he's more reserved, But I thought, yeah, there,
there wasn't any sort of animosity or conflict at all
with mom. I think she was asking the right questions
(20:01):
and I think giving Jen a chance, which is something
a lot of parents don't do. On Home Johns, they
kind of want to take it out on the lead
that the process is the process.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
And yeah, oh they just hate the fact that they
have other boys, friends or girlfriends or whatever. Yes, they're
on the Bachelor's Lash Bachelorette. Well, what did your dad?
Your dad was the king of that, wasn't he?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
My dad was the worst. He knows the show and
he's like, what about my daughter? I'm like whatever, But yeah,
all the parents I thought were good this season.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You know what was missing though, a big dad figure.
It was it was the mom show. Jonathan's dad didn't
even talk.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah that we had Devin's dad.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, Den's dad who he doesn't have a you know,
the closest relationship to. But he said that he wanted
to get his approval on the girl. All right, Well
let's go on to Jonathan's date then. Yeah, the it's
a throwaway the beginning where they play lacrosse. I barely
absorbed any of it, but we do get brought up
(21:09):
a lot again that he has like a distrust with
women because of how his ex went about things, and
he's just afraid of getting in deep with somebody who
is like not on the same page, the classic classic
We know this, but he does.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Have that same I guess him and Jen are able
to bond on that since they both had those pretty
traumatic relationships. Yeah, but I will say Jonathan's brother and
sister in law did bring a little bit of a
little bit of drama, not too much talking about how
they met on Tinder and they said I love you
on the third date. But I think his brother was
(21:47):
also he was a little protective questions.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, but they also seem to be more on her,
like more on her side and supportive than anything, because
they're like, we understand a fast process. We said I
you on the third day. You know all that.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Now, not much to note really, not.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Really not much to know on that hometown.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Mom, she was very sweet. Oh she did say that
she absolutely sees him being with her long term.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And case that's right.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Yeah, she was very confident, Yes, and I remember noting that.
But other than that, Jen is again just asking these moms,
do you think he can open up? He's holding back?
It seems like she feels this way about a lot
of that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, except for I guess with Devin, she doesn't really
feel like he's holding back. Everybody else had that. There
was that theme and then we're going to see it
apparently play into next week's episode when or Yeah, fantasy
sweets when all of them start showing doubt, or the
scenes from the next episode show each of them showing
(22:57):
doubt about whether or not they can get there, presumably
to an engagement. Now, I think some of this is editing.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Still, the conversation she has with Marcus, for she says.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Oh, no, Marcus is gonna be legit. The other two,
I don't believe that they have as many reservations.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I don't know if I'm gonna have to close my
eyes watching it when she says it first, Like, as
a lead, you're always so scared to say anything first.
You kind of wait to see where they're at. Yeah,
for her to say I love you first and he
says like, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Basically that's yes, yes, yes, yes, that's when they're gonna
He's gonna he's gonna have to leave. I think he's
gonna have you think, yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It seems to me that she really, really really likes him,
and I think if he gives her just a little
bit more, she will.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think he's her pick, but I also feel like
she he's her pick because he's like playing hard to
get well, he's not playing it, he's just hard to get,
and I think that everybody he naturally likes that.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Interesting because I feel like that's more of a theme
for the Bachelor's and the girls normally choose who is.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Like, well, I think you chose somebody who was very
confident in like expressing feelings. So is that like more
your style? Like you like it when somebody says exactly
how they feel because I like a heart to get.
Oh surprise, Well.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I do too, of course, like normally in real life.
But I was so scarred by my time on the Bachelor. Yeah,
with Clayton, in my opinion, like going after someone who
was like I don't want to be a part of
this and not giving him what he wanted. I'm like,
I'm not gonna go for the person who changes their
mind or who is unsure of me. So I was like,
(24:44):
all right, he's sure this has to be the right decision.
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Nobody there was your right decision, that's the bottom line.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, No, that was rough. That was rough.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
You wouldn't have ended up with any of those guys.
Let's move on to Marcus's home date hometown day. So
let's talk about last week's episode really quick, especially since
it's freshing your mind as you just caught up. I
(25:17):
was also not recapping last week because I had I
was on mom duty and I really wanted to talk
about Marcus's story, which was, you know, so sad. I
can't I can't even believe that there are people like
that that drop their kids off at daycare and they
don't come back. I'm beyond me. But then he never
(25:43):
clarified like what happened to the rest of his childhood
and whether he was adopted, and I was so interested
in how that turned out. We find out in this
episode that he was adopted because he said, my adoptive
parents won't be there, but these like elder friends of
mine will. What was your thoughts on that, you wonder
the same thing? Was I missing something?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
No? It was horrific, and I was really glad. I
told Jen. She was crying. We were like in shock
because you would just never expect something like that ever.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Few times have I been watching the show and just
like I freeze in just in shock.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I know, and he's been through so much, He's a
veteran and to go through this. I was glad he
did get that time with Jen to tell her before hometowns.
It was, I mean horrific. I'm so glad he has
that relationship with his sister though, and you can really
tell in his hometown that he is surrounded really love him.
(26:47):
So that was really really amazing to see on this hometown.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
My bad for saying that Devin was the standout of
this episode. It was actually the sister because there's something
that radiated off the sister that really.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
When Jen started crying, like how comfortable she has to be,
like her presence and her energy. Yeah, that was such
a beautiful moment on this episode to like see Jen really,
like I feel like this is the first time she's
been like one hundred percent authentic, Like you could really
see the emotion and the fear and everything coming through,
(27:21):
and it's like really beautiful to watch her like get
to this point in the journey.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And I don't know whether it's because of the trauma
that she knows he went through, or whether it is
her the intensity of her feelings for him, but that
was the moment in which I said, Oh, Okay, Marcus
is her topic.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I agree. I think it's obvious that she has I
think she's like in love with him in this moment too. Yeah,
even though she doesn't say it, and she knows he's
falling and she's falling. But I think I think they're
both in love. But watching him spiral at the end
of this episode was actually pretty shocking after seeing such
an incredible home job.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, well, I'm curious as to what, like, you know,
I want to know more about his his life. I
don't know if we'll get it. It was also weird
that they and that's fine if some things he asked
to keep private, Like that's totally fine and like awesome
if they respected keeping certain things private, which may have
(28:25):
been why the adoptive parents weren't there. But but it
was weird that they would have eliminated his daytime portion
of the date. I thought we were going to get
a nighttime portion because you know how sometimes they like
have like a picnic or a barbecue and then they
do it at the night. And I was shocked that
we're not going to get that with Marcus of all people,
and they're going to give us this boy meeting at
(28:47):
a bar instead. So we got we got the group
the boy group chat instead of whatever they did, and
all it was supposed.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
To do was make Marcus Spire was.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Make Mark feel probably worse and weirder for not being there,
you know, not having those feelings there yet. But like
I just didn't think we needed We just did. We
didn't need to see it. They could have taped it,
but it wasn't It wasn't very consequential.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I just think I wrote like even down, like this
is so unnecessary because I remember being at this point
on The Bachelor and everyone being like, all right, this
is the time and the journey where yeah, you see
your friends and it's nice like in passing, but it
is all about your relationship and you need to be
focusing on that. And I feel like this is hindering everyone.
(29:42):
Why do they need to be hearing about the hometown
and who loves who? Like? It just is going to
affect everything negatively. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Do you think that possibly we're looking at it in
an interesting way because we're looking at it as a
way of Mark is to kind of start to go
go even further down the whirlpool of worry, Or you
think that they possibly were trying to get this is
my producer brand hat. Do you think that they were
(30:13):
trying to get his doubts to get into the heads
of the other guys and be like, oh, wait a second,
I'm also doubting because that's kind of what the next
episode looks like.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I don't maybe I just feel like when you have
a bunch of guys, especially around someone like, for example, Devin,
who has this like my hometown went great, it went perfect,
it went this, and then even if you think yours
went well, all the other guys are going to start
getting in their head. So it just feels like, what
(30:44):
was the point of this, because Jen is getting engaged
at the end of this, Why are we going.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
To make guys feel ways about each other. There's no
need for guys to feel ways about each other right
now because they're going to be so separate, and it's.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Just like they start to really get in their head. Like, actually,
I remember my overnight dates people telling me like, oh,
we just thought you would already pick Tino because he's
so confident in the way he speaks, and it's just like,
no one needs to be around each other at this
late in the journey, like in my opinion, but.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Then you also are getting a lot more alone time,
just you and your own brain, because beforehand it's constantly
social hour and now at this point you're in a
hotel room by yourself most of the day.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, okay, so at the end of the episode, I'm
I'm wondering after this conversation whether one of the guys
is gonna bring this up to her. And I thought
it could have been Jeremy when he got eliminated sitting
to hert with her on the bench, but it seemed
to not bring up I mean, nobody said anything yet.
(31:52):
Do you think that these guys are just gonna blow
it off or do you think that this could be
something that comes back up, like hey, we had beers
the other day in mar Because it is like he's
not so sure.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I feel like if it does come up, it could
be like maybe in her overnights, like when the camera's off. Yeah,
I know that's when things were brought to me. Yeah,
because at this point, I feel like the drama like
they're not trying to make drama anymore. It's like, can
I get engaged in four days because at this point,
like how many days are left? Yeah, I would be
(32:23):
shocked if it is brought up on here.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't think it will be but again, just why
do it with the other guys? It just felt weird.
I wonder if his hometown date was like a total
bus and it was really bad TV and they're just like, oh,
we can throw this out.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Well, also, like it just feels weird that everything was
happening during the day.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh yeah, so they had already done it during the day,
but during the night time, but they may have had
who knows what happens at night. Yeah, Brad Dowton had
it at night.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah. I normally feel like all mine are at night. No, the.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Family part is at night, and then the daytime date
is all during the day.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah. It just was cut short so we got to
see Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, but weird next week but next week well okay,
well John Jeremy was eliminated and nobody was surprised. Absolutely
nobody was surprised. He handled it beautifully though, Wasn't he
just so kind?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
He was? And I loved how they try to make
kids seem like is it going to be Marcus, Like, no,
Marcus is not going home, Like he was standing up
at all the camera angles. But I think Jeremy was
just happy to be there at this point.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, but he was very He's handled super sweet. He
was like, you're the best, Like I had the greatest
time with you all these you know, he basically said,
like I just want you to end up with somebody
happy over there. It was all great, and then we
can get into the scenes to the next episode, you know,
(33:56):
all mental? Can we just can we just really eliminate
this so nobody needs it anymore?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Mental? Yeah, I mean I do want to see her
Sam to fill Yes, I.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Am as sure a fool, an absolute fool insanity.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, And then him doubling down online and his.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Family can you fill me in on that?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
So he is very upset about his edit.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I know. And then the family said that you'll find
out why he's so upset, and they.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Were like basically kind of shading Jen a little bit
and saying she's not as perfect as they edit her.
I just I would love to know the lens that
Sam sees himself through that what he was saying wasn't
real because you said that, like you were the one
that said you wish Daisy and Maria.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Were there and that ever heard wildest thing. Why would
you say that? And also like could you be more
stunning then? Jen? Like you know genuinely.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I mean, all three so beautiful and for you to
be like she's not my type.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
How no, no, Like this is what I was saying to
my friends this weekend when this was brought up. I
was like, Chris Soles wasn't my type, but he's so hot.
I was like, I can that. I was like, if
I gonna pull up in the limo, like, I was like, Okay,
he's hot, he's good looking, you know. I was like, yeah,
I think I like him. You pull up in that
(35:27):
limo and I was like, that's the most stunning man
I've ever seen. I don't care that he's like you know, yeah,
it's just like a blonde guy like he's not. It
doesn't matter because you know, I'm like, you know, I
was like, you know, Jared and Jonathan and those are like,
that's my typical type. It doesn't matter. There's a certain
point where somebody's so attractive that doesn't matter if it's
your type or not.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I you agreed, Jenney. If we were talking to we're like,
we were told we're like getting Andrew and Greg. We
were like Andrew Greg and then all of a sudden
we had Clayton. We didn't even know who he was.
Michelle Seys didn't even air and then all of a
sudden we pull up and I'm like, oh my gosh,
like you are so attracted. Yeah, it doesn't just because
I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I never went up to him. Was like, you know,
I heard Andrew Spencer was supposed to be like, you
just don't say that, like what I Molly Messig's face
is everything to the way she was like, I do
not believe you're speaking to her like that.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I wish that I was in the control room when
that was said, because everybody was like laughing, gasping, draws
on the ground. They couldn't believe that. They just got
content like that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
And he did that himself. No one edited him.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Why wild Wild? Yes, Okay, so next week we do
have Mentella where all these things we addressed, but we
also I cannot wait for fantasy suites where we see
every guy's like, I don't know how to get there
with you. And then she says, what am I doing wrong?
(37:00):
Like am I doing something? And I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
So I really feel like her time with Devon isn't
gonna go poorly.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You think it's gonna go well.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
I think her interview is saying doing something wrong, is
talking about Marcus.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay, I think agree. I think that Jonathan and Devon
it's gonna go well. I think it's probably it's all
frank and bitten. You know, that's what they call it.
When they like put the they're manipulating it to sound
a certain way. Yeah, but then again, I can also
see Devin and now I'm just like word vomiting. I
(37:39):
can see Devon kind of showing a different side to
himself in the Fantasy Suite when the cameras are off.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I feel like that's such a hard thing to do. Like,
I love when people talk about this because I've been
accused of this.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Oh that's right, I've been accused of this.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I think you.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Were accused of being totally different in the Fantasy Suite.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
There is every every one I've been to the Fantasy
Suite with, it's the same. It feels the same to me.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
The person remains to be the same person.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, I mean you learn things, like you definitely are
talking about different things that you wouldn't normally talk about
on camera. I think that is a different conversation. But
I've never experienced like closing a door being like someone
just has a mask off, Like, yeah, I think you
kind of have an idea of them. At a point,
(38:28):
I think Devin's going to keep up this, like it's
almost at this point he's kind of like the perfect
playing it right, Like, yeah, it's going to be the
same into the Fantasy Suite.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Okay, do you think that Marcus is going to make
it into the Fantasy Suite because obviously they're tough. Conversation
happens before it.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
I think the Fantasy Suite is a great time to
do that, to have that off camera time, you.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Should go to the Fantasy Suite. Yeah, but will they
even make it? Is it going to be too awkward
to even get in there.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I think it could maybe play out a way of
like Gabby and Jason's where they kind of had a
fight before and Gabby was like, all right, can we
please just go talk about this in private? Yeah, And
I think when he gets maybe into a room with
her and realizes like it's just her, he might chill
out a little bit. Yeah, because emotions can just be
(39:19):
really high with this engagement kind of looming. But when
you get that moment to go he might be able
to like realize that it's just her and it's it's
all right. But it did not look good from what
we've seen. So this is just me being.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Hopeful this from the girl that just totally forced Jared
into a fantasy suite. But like my point of view
on fantasy suites is just go there, yes, because nothing
needs to happen physically, but you can like find out
so much about the person and just it's it. I
(39:56):
think it's important, agreed, because you can eliminate those one
because if Marcus doesn't go in there, then they could
have like these lingering feelings of like what if we
talked about this, or like what if we did have
alone time, would it turn out any differently? And it's
like makes people feel a sense of like closure, a
(40:17):
better sense of closure.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, agreed. I feel like at this point, like even
if it goes as bad as like one of mine did,
like you owe it to yourself, like you have had
such a strong relationship like to really close the door
and just have that moment of like an off camera conversation.
I think they both owe it to each other, So
I think they will.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
But Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Think I think it's going to be very, very interesting
before and it sucks that we won't be able to
see the inside because I'm sure it will be an
insane conversation.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Okay, Rachel, Well, my final question for you, and I'm
sorry if you had this discussion with Ben, but maybe
it's changed now. What do you see the ending the
season looking like.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
What I wish? My fantasy is that she would pick Jonathan,
but I think at this point, if Marcus gives her
what she needs, it will be Marcus.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Okay, my theory has evolved a bit now. Ben and
I have just been saying all season long, she's not
ending up with anyone. She's not ending up with anyone,
and I thought that perhaps it was because she didn't
feel enough for anyone, And now I think that she
knows that Marcus is the one that she wants to pick,
and he's gonna leave, and then she realizes that she
(41:36):
can never get to where she felt with Marcus with
one of the other two guys, and she's like, I'm
sorry in the game of comparison, like I know I
can't settle for a second place, and I'm just gonna
have to go out in the world and find whoever
does compare to Marcus. That would be wild and it
would perhaps be the first time it ever happened.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Right, No, it would because you feel so much pressure
no matter what, to have that engagement.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, because I remember, I don't know if you watched
back in the day, but what does desiree? People thought
that Brooks was her number one, like the entire season,
and so it felt like she was settling when she
ended up going with Chris. But then, like you know,
you talked to does these days She's like, or like
even then, not not just these days. She was like, No,
that's just the way that they made it seem like
(42:24):
I was pretty certain it was Chris the entire time.
But that would be the most similar storyline that I
can think of right off the bat. But you know,
let me think about it for the rest of the day.
I'm sure somebody might prop it in my head.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, I agree. Even my season, I feel like people
were like never saw my connection with Aban, Like it
was just not shown and the people were like so
confident who the final person was. But I like was
truly like leaning his direction for a majority of the
time until like everything.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Myself, really you were towards eight towards Avan.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, oh, but I mean the way they added Obviously
I did end up with Tina, so like you can
understand maybe why certain things weren't shown as much. But
I think there are connections that can be very strong
that they don't necessarily completely show.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah, good times, Rachel, good times. All right, well it's
before you know, it'll be here. We will have our answer.
We will have our answer in two weeks.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
That is the fastest season ever, feels like it. Okay, well,
stay tuned and until then, I've been Ashley, she's been
Rachel and she's awesome. And we'll see you next time. Bye.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
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