August 13, 2024 • 40 mins
Ben is ready to recap this week’s episode of The Bachelorette, and we have an inside look from special guest stars Jason and Molly Mesnick!
Molly & Jason share all the behind the scenes secrets from leading the radio show group date, and Molly reveals which of the guys she thinks Jenn is CLEARLY obsessed with.
We hear who the producers consider the “villain” of this season and if Jason and Molly agree… but they also spill on who their favorite is from the season so far.
Go deeper into this season of The Bachelorette, while also looking back to Jason Mesnick’s classic season, on a conversation you can only hear on the Almost Famous Podcast!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we were joined
by Jason and Molly, the stars of this episode and
stars within it, and beloved people, the goats within Bacheloration
some would call them. They're gonna be here to day
to break down this episode of gen season of The Bachelorette,
Jason Erlik calls you and asks you to host this date.
(00:26):
Did you have any say in the concept of the date?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
No? I mean, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
They called up and they're like, hey, we're thinking about
doing a radio show date. I'm like, oh my god,
that's similar to what we did on the show, you know,
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
They're like, oh, really, like they.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Forget they realized exact same date on.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I was like, are you guys going to call the
guy who hosted it, who Molly's former co host named Bender?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Are you gonna call him? And they're like, damn no.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
We like they had no idea, so luckily, like we're
able to kind of run through and make reintroductions to people.
So not that we help plan it, but I think
we helped get Bender.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
On the show a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, because they were going to use the other guy
who's on there. His name is Jubil, who's a big
kind of national guy. They were going to him, and
Bender loves this stuff. You get to kick out of it.
So I think we were able to piece some things
together to make it more fun for everybody.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah, but otherwise no, we have no say.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And you know, I do want to kind of briefly
run through the whole episode with the two of you,
because you have seen the whole episode at this point,
but to kind of finish the first couple thoughts on
the date did they give you? Because I've hosted a
couple of dates for them. They usually give you a
little bit of a run around on who the guys
are and what you should expect, but it's not extensive.
(01:38):
The details have never like I've never been able to
make sense of the characters until you watch it maybe
the season back and like, okay, now that makes sense
of what they were telling me. How much prep did
they give you going into that day on who was
coming and what they were like?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
They gave us a rundown of all of the guys coming.
They I mean, the biggest thing they honed in on
is that she was obsessed.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
With say, so, my recollection is we didn't get a
rundown until we walked into the studio, like right before,
and they have like just pictures of each guy and
this is like maybe an hour before we start filming,
and we're like, Okay, there's that guy. He's gonna be
sitting over there, that guy's gonna be here, what's sitting
over there? And like, but when they walk in, I
think we know some of their faces. And then we
talked to Jen a little bit before they before we
(02:22):
start rolling, and that's where we kind of figured out
like who Sam was and who the other guys were.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
But it's surprising to me, and I don't know why surprising.
I know how the show works, but they they really
were like she is obsessed with him, she loves him,
she can't get him out of her head. But then
watching the season up to this point, they don't make
it seem like that. So editing is a tricky, funny thing.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Well, they also told me, and I don't know if
you're remem of us, and I'm not going to say
his name because I don't know what they told me.
Someone else in the group was more of like the
villain that people were getting in fights with, and that's
not at all how it's being presented on the show.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, and I'm not sure your process of like how
you want to go through the show, but I will say,
based on her conversation with us producer's conversation with us,
I can't believe it went the way it did. Like
I thought she was all in on this guy and
he was hometown days for for sure, and like, I
like watching it last night. We just watched it last night.
I was like, I mean I knew that at the end,
(03:17):
like he wasn't gonna be the right fit. But I'm like,
she loved this guy. And within twelve hours she was gone,
or maybe twenty four hours he had gone.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I was like, what the heck happened?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You're getting produced?
Speaker 6 (03:28):
How does it?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
How does it feel to get produced? To get it?
You're gonna produce real hard.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
But she also liked him, Like she walked in and
we were like, okay, come on, just tell us who
do you like And she's like Sam Sam Sam, Sam
Sam Sam, And I'm like, okay, like let's dig into Sam.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
But at the same time, when they when we gave
them like they're alone time the two of them to talk.
We were still in the room. We both walked out.
We saw her face change mid conversation, like you could
almost see the light bulb go off in her head
where it's like this guy, ain't it interesting?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, that's shocking. Okay, I want to continue this conversation,
but let's start at the beginning, because we do have
an episode of Breakdown and I don't want to keep
you guys all day. Jin and the men are in
Seattle this week, obviously because we have Jason and Molly
here with us helping break down this week's episode. Jason
and Molly, Hey, you live in Seattle, so this was
(04:23):
just a ratic around the corner for you too.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, that's like old hat.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah yeah, I mean actually in the radio station where
Molly used to work.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, that's that's a super cool piece of information. I
didn't think I realized that you did radio for seven years,
but that was the radio station, so it felt at
home for you to go back and host a date there.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah, all the people in the building, my boss.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Who helped set all this up, Molly's chest pumping, everybody
else walk the door.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
She's always the star of the show, Jason, No, wonder
you don't watch it. He's just kind of the goat.
She's the goat. We start out this episode with a
scene of charity in gin to Together. Charity is probably
a breath of fresh air for Jim. I'm assuming Jason,
when you were the Bachelor, did any past bachelor's come
on your season?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
No, when I was on the Batch, when I was
on the Bachelorette, the girl who was the Bachelorette. No, No,
when I was the bachelor in New Zealand, the girl
who I was on the batch, she came, and I
think they wanted to bring some drama into it, and
she was just there for advice, but they made it
look like she was coming to try to get me back.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Had nothing to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, we've mentioned that Jason, you haven't watched a lot
of this season, but Molly you have, and so going
into this episode, kind of what were you looking forward
to finding out about these guys before you got to
meet him actually in person. I mean, obviously Marcus has
the first one on one date. That's somebody that you know.
I think the viewership has been very excited about since
(05:55):
the beginning very intrigued by because he has been more reserved.
So anybody else that you're really excited to learn more
about this week?
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Gosh. I mean there's so many guys that I don't
feel like they've developed very much. Like we knew nothing
about Spencer going into this, we knew nothing about Jeremy
going into this, Like they're kind of the whole season
has really been focused between Devin and Sam, So I mean, yeah,
(06:27):
I think I just we wanted to know more about
everyone other than.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Those two, don't you think when you were Also, when
you were in there, it was pretty obvious who the
good dudes were.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
I mean, we'll get into our date. Jason and I
walked away from it and we were like, Okay, on
the count of three, say who your favorite was in
the room, and we both have the same answer.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I do think the show has had seasons going back
in for and Ashley and I are always very critical
but also very celibratory for the show because it has
brought us a lot of good things in life. I
do think what we're seeing in some of the most
recent seasons, not Joey's. I think Joey's was kind of
an anomaly here. The character building of the contestants has
(07:18):
been weak, Yeah, meaning we don't get to know much
about any of them, but when we do, we get
tied in because we root for him or I mean
most of the time we're just rooting for him. There's
very few people from Joe's season we were ever cheering against.
It's just you get to know their stories.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Is that intentional that they're not doing the character stuff
you think or the character development?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I would assume it's not, because I think the show
knows they want to do that. My assumption is that
they don't have the contestants that actually have the ability
to do it, meaning they're not as open, they're more reserved,
they're not great in the itms, they're not kind of
they're maybe a little more on edge. Typically up until
this season, I would have blamed it on the lead
(07:59):
for not bringing that out in them, But I think
Jen is bringing out in them. I don't think they're
reciprocating kind of that response on here's my story, here's
what I'm dealing with, Here's what I'm looking for. It's
just I think it's hard.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I don't even know, and like Jens, Jen was awesome.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We had a great time with her, but the producers
also said, like from their perspective.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Generally having a hard time getting pulling.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Stuff out of her.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
They thought Jen was being a little bit more close
and I again, I only have one episode to watch him.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Like, man, she looks great, right, she's doing great on
this thing.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But like what they had said up to the point
when we met them was it was more challenging for them.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
So good in the episode to see more of Marcus
and like hear more of his personal family life. I mean,
they just teed him up if he wants to be
a bachelor, Like holy hell, I.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Mean I watched one episode and I'm like, if he
the only reason if he's not the bachelor he is
if he says.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
No, yeah, I mean this episode or he gets chosen.
But like, yeah, this episode was it was I'd say,
I don't know how to the adjective maybe shocking to
me because we don't know a lot about him, but
we do know that he know he served, he's a veteran,
He's gone through a bunch of stuff, and he's he's
mentioned that, but he has been more reserved in every
(09:06):
other moment other than when he's like opened up at
the very beginning of the season. This episode he shares
his story, and his story is one where I'm sitting
here at my desk as I watch the episode and
I'm you know, I wrote a whole book on loneliness
and why you know, on connection, and I'm like, this
guy has a story that so many people are gonna
(09:27):
benefit from because it's an incredible story and he's come
through it and now you see him on national television.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, I hope again, like I can't imagine going through
something like he did, but like that was the.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
For me.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
That's the reason to watch the show. Like the drama
and all that kind of stuff. I hope people enjoy it,
but like seeing a character or human like that that
has accomplished and could come over so much stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, the two of you could probably because I just
jobbing down some notes. The two of you could probably
attest to this. It's pretty wild to me and one
of my favorite parts watching the show at this point.
You know, a lot of these people are a lot
younger than me. Life has moved on for me. But
the thing that always this show does when it's good is.
It reminds me of the value of human story and
(10:11):
that everybody has a story. And I'm sure coming off
of your seasons when you were on the show, there
were moments where you're looking around being like, these are
some incredible people and they've all been through something. Yeah,
and that's to me something special to watch well.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And I know, even thinking about like my story, I know,
really the only reason that they wanted me was the
single dad, you know, divorce guy. And granted, like I
hope people like me other than that, but I know,
like when we were going through casting for The Batcher
and they were pretty transparent with me, like who they
were also considering, but like, I think it was the
whole story of like this guy and his kid.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's this relatable story.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'm sure at the time too, that story was a
little like shocking for them to want to put on
because that hadn't been done before. They were you know,
walking down a very easy line up until that point,
and you know, it pushed the boundary a little bit.
But Marcus's story just is heartwarming and he's obviously getting
the Rose, but as you said, if he's not chosen
and if he says yes to it, there's zero chance
(11:13):
he's not the Bachelor, right, I know.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I mean zero, Like I think his story and again
like he comes like I think he's probably as authentic
as he comes across. But to kind of crack open
that story even more, like how could you not love
that guy?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Everybody's got a root for him. So he does get
the rose, he's moving on to hometowns. He's a lock,
He's at the top of our list, he's a favorite.
And then we have a group date. We have a
group date that Jeremy is very hope, very he's very
much hoping he doesn't go on because he's the only
one without a one on one date up until this point.
I thought that there was a reason for that. My
(11:51):
mind was changed after his date. But the group date happens,
and the names on the list of the men who
are going on the group date are Spencer, Jonathan, Sam, Devin,
and Grant, and Jen says, I want I love that
listens now it's an interesting note card. I don't really
(12:13):
know what that means, but Jason Emala, you do know
what that means. And so what we find is that
they show up to a radio station that you're both
at that you're hosting this date, and you've mentioned your
two co hosts that are in the room with you
as well. What was your hope for this date? Well,
I mean, I know, when you host a date, you
obviously are kind of told, hey, this is how it's
going to work, and this was going to go on.
(12:34):
But you also have some freedom to get something out
of this date that you want as the host of
the date. What were the two of you wanting for
this date?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Well, I think first of all, this is a really
tricky type of date because you are forcing these guys
to express their feelings for Jen in front of one another.
And it's not like they're doing it in a funny
way where it's like a song or a dance or
like a comedy show like they've done in the past.
It was like you needed to share your real, true
feelings about her in a serious way with everyone else
(13:03):
that lives with you in the same room. So I
get that it could be really uncomfortable. Jen made the
comment like, I feel like it's a who loves Jen
competition more And that's truly how it felt when we
were in that room. It's like everyone was trying to
one up the next person.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I always like, like, my hope was like trying to
figure her out, whether it was on camera or off camera,
because you know, we filmed for outs, right, and they
give you ten minutes on camera or they So my
hope was to find somebody who identify somebody who was
a good guy, right, like especially the era being so
different now where people are trying to get more followers
(13:39):
and Instagram and all that kind of stuff, like to
see like who looks at you in the eye when
they're talking to you, right, Who isn't a complete douche bag?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Like who who.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Really is saying what they think she wants to hear.
There was one very clear winner in that room for
being genuine and how.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
They spoke none you can tell them who was it?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Hey, let's have you guess who do you think? We
walked away and we were like that dude is in
this for real.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
We love him and we and the one of the
producers said the same thing afterwards.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, my first guess is Jonathan.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yep, without without a doubt. When we would ask him questions,
he wouldn't respond to us. He would look straight at
Jen and as if he was talking to her and
no one else was in the room. It was amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
And he's also those type of guys where if you're
having a conversation he'll ask you something where like and
I know, you get.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
To this with Sam, it's like me, me, me, me me.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Jonathan was the complete opposite out of editing editing or not.
That was just like, hey, let me ask you a question,
super thoughtful.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Super good.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
He was amazing. We walked away and were like, he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So he was easily when you guys got in the
car and you said one, two, three, who's your favorite Jonathan.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Without a doubt, Like it's not like if they're attracted
to do each other and all that kind of stuff,
but just like as good as you can me.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, because at this point too, you're hosting a date
and there is no way for you to watch the
episodes before and so you don't No matter what, you
wouldn't have known anything about these guys leading up to
that day because they're filming a show.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I mean a little bit like they were telling like
where they did, where they just came from, and that
kind of stuff. But other than that, we had I
mean just their pictures on our on our desk.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Yeah, it was interesting, just the environment of the date
where you have to kind of, you know, speak your
love for her and there you've watched this season.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
There's a lot of smooth talkers on this season. Yeah, right,
And so not knowing any of the backstory of any
of these guys and how the first few weeks have gone,
I just kind of sat there internally smirking, like, God,
you're full of shit.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes, you didn't say it. Why didn't you say it?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well, I don't want to make anyone feel bad, and
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But like, I
like that I could, I could see straight through some
of these guys.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
But you were also like Mollie's got an interesting perspective
because she was a radio host. She's hosting this thing
and you almost got back into work mode. Yeah maybe right,
So she was able to take her seven or eight
years of experience in radio. There was two other radio
hosts there, so they were in this position where it
was very normal, and these guys won.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
They think they're on the radio show, right.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Which is so they may they may be saying stuff
outside of TV. They think they're live on the air
in Seattle are going to be live on the airon
Seattle and they have no idea what's going on. So
it was almost unfit. Like it was three radio hosts against.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
They're losing.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, what was your role in that? Jason? Like, you're
obviously worried there was three radio hosts in you?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Oh, you have no like like there was a like,
you know, sometimes you have to re record something and
they don't like. So they had asked me to say
something to all the guys in there and about who
I'm picking and all this stuff, and we shoot it
and I'm like, fucking nail that shit, right, I'm super pumped.
And they're like, hey, would it be easier if you
do it again? Or Molly just says it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I was like, I know my role, Litz ever her
do it.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You did a good job of talking, like normally I
kind of take over and hijack interviews and all of that.
Good job getting some words in.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, I try to say five words total in five hours.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Would it be easier for Molly just to do or
do you want to try that again? Jason, You're the best. Okay, Well,
obviously the viewership is going to watch this date and
see that the big storyline is Sam. Right, these other
guys they did their thing, they played along, they answered
the questions. Like you said, it was an awkward environment
because you are asking all of them to express their
(17:34):
feelings towards Jin in front of each other, which I
think is so unhealthy on this show and something you
try to never do. But you two hosted a date
that set them up for that. But Sam, is there
really the storyline that comes out of this? So when
it comes to Sam, did you feel like, as you
were hosts of the show that it was an accurate
(17:54):
portrayal watching the episode back of how he was or
was it an inaccurate portrayal and editing really caused this
whole thing to go a mess.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I think it was entirely accurate. There was so much
more that people didn't even see. Sam. Devin said it perfectly.
There's Sam says so many words, and he talks so much,
but it says if nothing's coming out of his mouth,
like he just rambles and rambles and rambles, and there
(18:26):
was no meat to what he was saying and he
couldn't really get his thoughts out. What I will say
is like we're not going to sit here in bash Sam,
like he's getting a really bad edit this season. I
think this show in this environment either makes someone flourish
or it makes them flounder. And I think he is
maybe someone who this environment isn't good for him. I
(18:48):
think he was more maybe wrapped up in the competition
aspect of it and winning and wasn't really like allowing
himself to feel.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
I disagree a little bit, meaning like I think the
competition part of Sam for sure, And but I think
she was she loved Like we sat there and filmed
for hours.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
One of those hours was just.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
At one point it was just Molly and I, Jen
and Sam in the room and they were talking, they
were playing games.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
They like the kiss that they showed was like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yeah, it's super awkward to be in that room.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Like she was so she.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Is so attracted to him. She was, and I think, yes,
said the attraction piece of Sam.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yes, Sam's like this former athlete. There were things that
Sam said that like they had to edit out.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
They were so terrible. We can't even talk about that.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
But I will say, like I think and I can't
figure out what happened because I would like if I
didn't expect Sam to win, but I expected Sam to
get a hometown date for sure. Something else must have happened,
And I know there's the production aspect, like they may
have told her. Let me give you example, they may
have told her about something that really set her off.
And I'll give you one example that happened to me.
(19:59):
I remember I was on a date back in Black
and White TV with a girl who was on the show,
and I was They initially said, hey, we need you
to go on a date with somebody that you know
you're going to send home later that day.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
So that was the plan, and I was like, Okay,
this sucks. This is how the show works.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
So I go on the date and halfway through the date,
I'm like I really like it, Like she's awesome, and
they're like, hey, mesnik, she's a full time smoker. What
do you think now, right? So they knew that I
had a kid, and like in like, you got in
my head and I'm not picking somebody who smokes full time.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
That's not my thing.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
So they got into my head and they knew that
I was going to send her home because of that comment.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
There's something that was said that set her off because
she was so in like before she walked in, when
Sam was before all the guys walked in, it was
like Sam Sam Sam, Sam helped me get to know
these other guys better. But by the way Sam Sam
Sam Sam.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, I think it's more something happened that she doesn't
give her anything. It doesn't say she asked him multiple times,
but why do you like me? But why do you
think you're in love with me? Why do you think
we're compoued? And he gives just words but there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
But I know, but that whole thing to me is
like everybody's saying that, And if everybody's saying that, that's
coming from somewhere, you're saying that because they were show
on the show last night.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Also, but I felt that when we were filmy, we're
having an argument on this podcast right now.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
No, this is good.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
This we were when we were filming, the two of
them had a Loane time and we were in there
with him. We had ear pieces in and Sam. They
would ask each other a question. Sam was rambling on
for so long. They'd be like, Molly, cut him off
and ask another question, tell him to stop talking and
ask another question. He just kept going and going and
going and going.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Well, that can be also nerves. And again I don't
think Sam's near Again. I want to like, he's not
nearly as bad as they're bay saying. He's got some stuff.
I'm sure like, and I think what he wanted more
than anything is like and maybe Jen's not the right person.
He does want to be with somebody. He wants to
get married. He wants that and he probably saw it
right in front of him and it.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Just wasn't working out for him.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Well, he's foot in mouth moments where he's like I
thought it was going to be Daisy or Maria.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
A point I was going to bring up where it's like, Okay,
no matter what we say about Sam, I'm not here
to bash him. But like, there are some things that
he was saying that you're like, hey, that's there's just
no way to get around what that you just said
that he thought it was.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
And I will say, like, there are things that didn't
make it on the air that will never ever be
said by anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
No, It's like that was a.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Moment where I was just like, oh my god, I
can't believe you just said that.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I mean, it cannot make Jin feel good. And
so the timeline is this you're saying that Jen came
in and it's Sam Sam Sam Sam is somebody your
two are going to look out for. And then was
there a moment during this because we're watching it as
viewers and we're going, this is getting awkward. There are
things that he's saying that if you know we were dating,
(22:43):
you know, I would definitely been thrown off by or
had a thousand questions to dig into, or just maybe
said hey, this isn't working, like just got up and
walked away. Was there a moment during your date where
you felt like she realized this is maybe not the
guy that I thought he was.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Yeah, I saw it. I saw it when she's when
they were having their alone time and he's talking and
she finally is like but why, but why do you
think it's me? That's where I was like, she's gone
to him.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I again, like I know that that happened, But that's
coming straight from a producer, Like I went through this
with you on the show specifically, I had problems with
you not opening up, and the producers are like.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
This is why I want to get it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Can't continue until she opens up because you were introverted.
Yeah right, And there's something about Sam like and again
I get it, like he's not the right guy for her,
But those questions specifically are coming from somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Maybe Okay, she don't like my perspective.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think these are great perspectives. This is why the
two of you thrived during your time podcast hosting together.
So the light ball went off. I do say there
(24:02):
is a personality trait that I always watch out for
every season. Anybody listens to this podcast knows what it is.
It's my biggest pet peeve in life. It's somebody that
describes themselves by, for example, by saying you're a selfless person.
I also am a selfless person. I just don't think
(24:22):
we as humans have the ability to actually describe ourselves
in that way. I think we need to leave that
up to somebody else to say, Hey, you know, you're
a very selfless person. You say thank you, Jason, same
to you, same to you, Molly. So you guys can
take that you're the goat Molly that you shouldn't hear that,
know that, And so that always feels like during the show,
(24:43):
and the reason it bothers me is because it always
does feel like it comes up in very important moments,
and it does make the conversation more focused on myself
than it does the other person. And that's really outside
of everything else with the you know, without doubling down
on Sam, what really felt like to me as a
viewer was most bothersome about this moment and your date
(25:06):
was that everything did come back to himself at some level.
It was never a curiosity or an intention of getting
knowing Jin better. It was more of I need to
get the words in about myself in this moment. Did
you guys feel that way when you're hosting it?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, I mean that's a really good point, Like you're like, hey,
I'm really trustworthy and I'm honest person.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Well just be that way, don't you even't have to.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Say it right?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's a bit. I mean, that's actually a really a
good point. Yeah, I mean I think that's showed through well.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
The Sam Jin kind of fiasco is coming to a
head during your date. But then we obviously have another
one on one date to get to before we go
back to Sam and Jen. As we finish out this
episode of the podcast, we have a one on one
date with Jeremy. Jeremy is somebody that we really haven't
heard much about, we don't know much about, and I
really thought, quite frankly, that he was going home this episode.
(25:58):
I thought that was going to be a one on
one date. He's gone, what changed for you know, for
the two of you during this date to where you go, well, okay,
he actually is going to stick around.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yeah. I don't know if I had that moment because
I too was like, well, we haven't seen him at all,
so they're setting him up to be the guy that
gets sent home on a one on one date, like
that's why he's getting it. I don't even know if
there was a moment for me. I was like, we
don't know anything about this guy. They're not really talking
about anything, or they're not showing them talking about anything important,
so like, I don't even know, that's a good question.
(26:29):
It was almost like when he was talking about his mom,
do you.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Remember, like and maybe I'm making this up. I thought.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I remember her saying like, I'm pretty sure I knew
who my three hometown kind of date, like she was
kind of getting to the point where she knew who
their three were for the hometown dates, but she didn't
know her fourth when we saw her. Yes, I like,
I have this memory of like some kind of conversation
around there, and maybe it was just like I don't
know who my fourth is, so like, and he really
earned that during the date, maybe because I do. I like,
(26:57):
I remember that from for my season. I'm like, i'
pretty sure I know him three, but I don't know
who the fourth is. I got to really dig into
this one.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I don't know, I would agree. I think that is
probably common that you're like, hey, i've got it solid
top three, but the fourth is kind of you know,
out there. However, Grant seemed to be far in a
way above Jeremy up until this week. In every episode,
there was never a chance where he was not going
to make the final four. And I think most people's opinions, yeah,
(27:23):
that was such.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
A good shocking to us. We loved him when we
met him, and Riley, that is Riley's favorite. She's like,
if Grant's the Bachelor, I'm going on it.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, no, eleven year olds on it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And then he was funny.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I just don't know what happened there because he was
such a favorite. They had such a good connection. He
obviously opens up. Last week, he has a really sweet
moment with Marcus where he's like, dude, I'm sorry, I
have to tell you this. I just don't know have
anybody else to talk to, but like, I'm in love
with this girl, and Marcus like, hey, it's all good,
I got your back. Won't tell anybody, it's all It's
all fine. And then he's gone this week and we
don't really have a for it other than the fact
(28:01):
that Jeremy does kind of sneak in with this unexpected rose. Now,
their date was not not great. It was good. It
was a good date. They had a lot of really
tough conversations about you know, their their fath systems, their
faith traditions, where they come up in life, what they
desire for a family, how they navigate that together. Those
are very important conversations when you're looking to spend your
(28:21):
life with somebody. But still, I didn't feel like that
date pushed him to that place where I would be
seeing him next week.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
But you know, can I tell you, like by watching
your first episode way midway through this season, Yeah, he
was great. He didn't surprise me at all. I think
he deserved to be there and we'll see what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, that's he's a runner. He's my favorite.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He's my favorite now.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's actually an interesting perspective. Yeah, without any like backstory
or watching this season that you know, you come in
you're like, No, that guy's great.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yes, I see what didn't show up on her date.
He's my favorite now.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So you know, Jeremy does get the road, so that
means two people have the rows at this point, Marcus
and Jeremy. And we're getting to the end of this
episode where we see Jin come back into the hotel
that all the guys are staying pretty fired up. And
the confusion for me in this scene and in this
moment for Jin is I actually don't know why she's
fired up. Yes, it didn't feel like her and Sam
(29:24):
were connecting. Yes, it felt like the date that you
two hosted with Sam. It did feel like they were
on a communication miss most of the time. But it
does feel like to me when she comes back into
the room to find Sam, or back into the hotel
to find Sam, that like there's this like fire inside
of her. Do do you have any idea on where
(29:44):
that would be coming from, because for me, it feels
like it should have just been one of those moments
where she's like, I'm just confused. Sam. We got to talk,
but it feels like she's on a mission for something.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
That's what I said.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
That's a producer in our carpent in her.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Ear only because I've been there before and you don't
realize what's happening at the time.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And I could be totally wrong.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I mean we got produced again and like we've been
to this man.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Like there's something like I just don't we're not privy
to those conversations because like there's no way like she
went from like he's my number one I'm not saying
he was his number one, but like number one attraction,
like she can't get him physically to like being ousted
and mad at him that quickly.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
It did seem a little like jarring, like whoa, you're
mad about something?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, And I thought she was gonna go and be like, hey, Sam,
you have a girlfriend back home, Like I thought, that's
what it felt like to me, where like this was
leading up to big revelation, but it wasn't. The two
of them just had to talk.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Remember, like she like storms out of there and she
needs to cool off, and I'm like, WHOA, Like this
escalated quickly.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Something changed, and you have to be right. Somebody got
in her ear. But it's not like they were getting
in her ear and telling her something that wasn't probably true.
They were just for sure bringing to light stuff that
she was not able to see up until this point.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Maybe maybe they told her what he said. Oh god, stop,
I know we'll never say it.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's just this mystery. I read it. I'm
sure if you go on read it in a couple
days they'll find out what happened. No, they're really good
at it. Okay, So she comes back out of the room,
she has to cool off. To summarize that whole long
back and forth, it's just more of what was existing
during your date. It's just the two of them. Well
mostly he's just talking past her. None of it's connecting.
(31:35):
Even when, like you, you're like, hey, she's teeming you
up for a very easy answer. The response was missing.
And I am going to go back to what Jason
said earlier because I do think this is true, and
I feel for any person in this scenario, good not
the right environment for him. We're not going to double
down on him and all the stuff that's gone on
all season for him already. I feel like in this moment,
(31:56):
what we really saw was that this dude is so
insanely nervous, probably coming based on some way he feels
about himself, because once the camera's on him, and once
the attention is on him, and once he's getting pushed
a little bit, like he has that catch in his throat,
he can't even speak.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
That nervous cats. There's something ner he was super nervous about.
I mean, it's either allergies or nerves.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Ye, allergies their nerves. I would mean it could be both,
but it did feel like to me when I watched this,
this dude pushed, felt pushed up against the wall that
he couldn't get out of. He didn't know how to
answer anything well, he wasn't getting anywhere good. His smooth
talking had kind of come to an end, so that
(32:39):
wasn't gonna work, and he got very nervous, and it
felt like that's what caused the massive disconnect to where
he's ended up going home because he had no way out,
like there was no good path for him for.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I was still shock like, I like if he was
sitting there, wouldn't you have said one hundred percent he
gets to him down date.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I thought.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's such a that's a very interesting perspect because you
two were with him that week, when you even left
that date, even after the fiasca that happened, and even
after their kind of conversation, you two still felt like
there's no chance he doesn't still get a hometown.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I felt one.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Hundred percent, Suy, Yeah, I thought he'd get a hometown.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, like I didn't know beyond that because obviously
things went out, but like I was like, hands down,
like sitting in that room, I didn't know anybody else
Marcus's story. I knew she had a good date the
day before and she told us that, right, we didn't
know any of that. But sitting there with the guys
that we knew, like Grant, Sam, Jonathan and then Spencer
(33:37):
and Spencer Yah yeah, I mean and Spencer to me,
like I just remember going, like the guys when I
was on the Bachelor, there's guys that made it to
the final six or seven that didn't even know the
bat know her, so like it didn't surprise me that
there were people that weren't that close.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, Yeah, and he felt like so Spencer, who ends
up going home at the end of this episode along
with Grant, which was a shock to all of us. Here. Spencer,
to you during your day, you felt like he's the
one that probably is on the outside looking in. It's
pretty clear, but like kind.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Of middle of the road. He didn't stand out. They didn't,
he didn't talk a ton, and then watching the season,
he's non existent.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I mean, it only stuck out the two people that
stuck out to me where she wanted to ask. She
wanted us to dig into Sam and then she's like, Okay,
there's this guy Devin who looks like Pete Davidson, and like,
I don't know if he's just funny or if I
need to find out more, but can you dig into
him because he seems just like the funny guy.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, And so Spencer was on the outside looking in,
which makes sense because Spencer is going home along with Grant.
Final thing I want to talk to you guys about
before we kind of go in predictions for the rest
of the season. Spencer's last scene, as he says goodbye,
he calls his mom. His mom is his mom is
obviously very sweet, she obviously calls him baby. I think
(34:51):
we've made that perfectly clear, which is fine. Moms can
do what they do, what they want, how they want
to do it. Outside of you know that conversation. Am
I wrong? You guys have been around the show for
a while now. In saying yes, I do think Marcus
is like teed up to be the next lead. It
felt like the show was trying to make Spencer that guy.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
They were trying to do something by showing that for sure,
Like when I was like, they've never done this, This
is weird. Why are they showing this? They're setting him
up for something. But how could they set him up
to be the bachelor now when they've been able to
edit everything and he's hardly in the show.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
They know that they need backups, Yeah, they do need backups.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
They know that the first person might not accept and
so on, and so far we didn't even talk about
all the girls coming to our house.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Oh yeah, that's a whole different in Town trista charity,
they all came for dinner. They all came over.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, wait, but not on the show.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
No, no, no, they were in town filming the day before. Yeah,
so we're like, why don't you girls all come over?
So we had a rager at the Mesnik house with
all a girl.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, so they were really tired the day they filmed.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah was it fun?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Oh gosh, we had a blast. We had so much
fun I had. I would have to catch myself every
once in a while and be like, oh my gosh,
I'm like twenty years older than these girls.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So who was all there? Who were the girls that
actually came over?
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Trista Not Trista obviously Trista, Charity, Daisy and Kelsey and.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Riley had gotten into the season before, so Riley.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Was super excited for Fine, like these girls on TV
and now they're in my house.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, Mom and dad, you're so cool. Ye wait, why
am I missing something? Where Daisy and Kelsey they weren't
on this episode? Were they?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah? They were the Wicked date.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Oh geez goodness. Yeah, that feels like such a small
like early part of the episode. Okay, you're right, one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, it was super cool because we obviously know Trista
really well, but to get they could know some of
the younger girls like they were super cool.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, they're they're and it's fun to see kind of
this next generation because they are they're they're very similar
to how we all were coming off the show. They're
excited it's new, but they're just great hangs. Like they're
a lot of fun to hang out with. So that's
that's special. And here's what's really cool. It probably meant
a lot to them like that you guys had them
(37:11):
over like this means a lot to those contestants because
you don't get those like really fun, non like event
moments where it's just like, let's just go have fun
at a house.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah. Actually, Daisy, who had reached out before after following
just being so grateful. She's like, that was so much fun.
Thank you so much for welcoming us into your home.
We love getting to night like she she is as
sweet as it gets with charity.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah yeah. I don't think anybody shocked that Daisy's sweet.
Her name is Daisy, so it'd be hard not to.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
You have to be nice.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, to go back to the Spencer thing, I kind
of they need backups and it wouldn't be shocking for
the show is confusing. It is as it is to
pick a lead who hasn't been shown a lot Clayton,
Zach come to mind. Yeahigs Jen, Like they have picked
people who kind of fly under the radarter in their
season and they kind of try to launch them up
(38:09):
to be the lead. I don't think it's a great strategy,
but it is what has happened here as of recently. Okay,
so Ashley's not with us today, obviously, she's momming it
somewhere well actually nowhere in Rhode Island. They just went
back to their home and we do this every week
at the end of this episode when we record Top three.
(38:32):
Now it's only four people left. But who are your
Top three? Now? Moving into the final few weeks in
order from favorite to third.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Okay, I'm gonna say favorite, Marcus Jonathan, me too, Devin,
and then Jeremy. I just I don't see it with
Jeremy because we don't really know him.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah, I think Marcus Jonathan for sure. And then I
want Grant to come back.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Riley and I love Grant. I want Grant like some
people come back once in a while.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Okay, I'm surprised Jeremy's not Jason's number one. He said
he watched one episode, was like I think this is
the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Like.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Did you were saying only goes so far, but like,
well that's you.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Guys have the exact same top three as me. I
do think Jeremy's on the outside looking in, so I
wouldn't be shocked. I would be shocked if anybody but Devin,
Marcus and Jonathan move on then to the Fantasy Suite week.
Jen has been fantastic. She's a great lead, she's carrying
the show. Well. She's been a fun watch and we
(39:40):
continue to to want to watch her. Jason and Molly,
thank you for coming on the show. It means a
lot that you spent this much time and that you
hosted an episode. It's always fun to catch up with
the two of you, and we really really hope to
see you back here soon. Hopefully when they come back
to Seattle, you can host another day.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I know, here's some advice.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
When you have jenn On, and I know you will
at some point, she'll want to take a shot with you.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, shot a clock, likes it.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
What what's the what's the liquor of choice?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (40:08):
None, I hate taking shots for her.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
It's called alcohol.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yeah, Jen had tequila.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Solid, solid move. I love it. Shot a clock, it's
shot a clock here. It's almost Famous podcast Until next time.
I've been Ben, just repeat, I've been, I've been then
your names? Oh no, go ahead, you guys are great.
We'll talk to you soon. Everybody. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we were joined
by Jason and Molly, the stars of this episode and
stars within it, and beloved people, the goats within Bacheloration
some would call them. They're gonna be here to day
to break down this episode of gen season of The Bachelorette,
Jason Erlik calls you and asks you to host this date.
(00:26):
Did you have any say in the concept of the date?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
No? I mean, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
They called up and they're like, hey, we're thinking about
doing a radio show date. I'm like, oh my god,
that's similar to what we did on the show, you know,
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
They're like, oh, really, like they.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Forget they realized exact same date on.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I was like, are you guys going to call the
guy who hosted it, who Molly's former co host named Bender?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Are you gonna call him? And they're like, damn no.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
We like they had no idea, so luckily, like we're
able to kind of run through and make reintroductions to people.
So not that we help plan it, but I think
we helped get Bender.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
On the show a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, because they were going to use the other guy
who's on there. His name is Jubil, who's a big
kind of national guy. They were going to him, and
Bender loves this stuff. You get to kick out of it.
So I think we were able to piece some things
together to make it more fun for everybody.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah, but otherwise no, we have no say.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And you know, I do want to kind of briefly
run through the whole episode with the two of you,
because you have seen the whole episode at this point,
but to kind of finish the first couple thoughts on
the date did they give you? Because I've hosted a
couple of dates for them. They usually give you a
little bit of a run around on who the guys
are and what you should expect, but it's not extensive.
(01:38):
The details have never like I've never been able to
make sense of the characters until you watch it maybe
the season back and like, okay, now that makes sense
of what they were telling me. How much prep did
they give you going into that day on who was
coming and what they were like?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
They gave us a rundown of all of the guys coming.
They I mean, the biggest thing they honed in on
is that she was obsessed.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
With say, so, my recollection is we didn't get a
rundown until we walked into the studio, like right before,
and they have like just pictures of each guy and
this is like maybe an hour before we start filming,
and we're like, Okay, there's that guy. He's gonna be
sitting over there, that guy's gonna be here, what's sitting
over there? And like, but when they walk in, I
think we know some of their faces. And then we
talked to Jen a little bit before they before we
(02:22):
start rolling, and that's where we kind of figured out
like who Sam was and who the other guys were.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
But it's surprising to me, and I don't know why surprising.
I know how the show works, but they they really
were like she is obsessed with him, she loves him,
she can't get him out of her head. But then
watching the season up to this point, they don't make
it seem like that. So editing is a tricky, funny thing.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
You know.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Well, they also told me, and I don't know if
you're remem of us, and I'm not going to say
his name because I don't know what they told me.
Someone else in the group was more of like the
villain that people were getting in fights with, and that's
not at all how it's being presented on the show.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, and I'm not sure your process of like how
you want to go through the show, but I will say,
based on her conversation with us producer's conversation with us,
I can't believe it went the way it did. Like
I thought she was all in on this guy and
he was hometown days for for sure, and like, I
like watching it last night. We just watched it last night.
I was like, I mean I knew that at the end,
(03:17):
like he wasn't gonna be the right fit. But I'm like,
she loved this guy. And within twelve hours she was gone,
or maybe twenty four hours he had gone.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I was like, what the heck happened?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You're getting produced?
Speaker 6 (03:28):
How does it?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
How does it feel to get produced? To get it?
You're gonna produce real hard.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
But she also liked him, Like she walked in and
we were like, okay, come on, just tell us who
do you like And she's like Sam Sam Sam, Sam
Sam Sam, And I'm like, okay, like let's dig into Sam.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
But at the same time, when they when we gave
them like they're alone time the two of them to talk.
We were still in the room. We both walked out.
We saw her face change mid conversation, like you could
almost see the light bulb go off in her head
where it's like this guy, ain't it interesting?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, that's shocking. Okay, I want to continue this conversation,
but let's start at the beginning, because we do have
an episode of Breakdown and I don't want to keep
you guys all day. Jin and the men are in
Seattle this week, obviously because we have Jason and Molly
here with us helping break down this week's episode. Jason
and Molly, Hey, you live in Seattle, so this was
(04:23):
just a ratic around the corner for you too.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, that's like old hat.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah yeah, I mean actually in the radio station where
Molly used to work.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, that's that's a super cool piece of information. I
didn't think I realized that you did radio for seven years,
but that was the radio station, so it felt at
home for you to go back and host a date there.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah, all the people in the building, my boss.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Who helped set all this up, Molly's chest pumping, everybody
else walk the door.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
She's always the star of the show, Jason, No, wonder
you don't watch it. He's just kind of the goat.
She's the goat. We start out this episode with a
scene of charity in gin to Together. Charity is probably
a breath of fresh air for Jim. I'm assuming Jason,
when you were the Bachelor, did any past bachelor's come
on your season?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
No, when I was on the Batch, when I was
on the Bachelorette, the girl who was the Bachelorette. No, No,
when I was the bachelor in New Zealand, the girl
who I was on the batch, she came, and I
think they wanted to bring some drama into it, and
she was just there for advice, but they made it
look like she was coming to try to get me back.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Had nothing to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, we've mentioned that Jason, you haven't watched a lot
of this season, but Molly you have, and so going
into this episode, kind of what were you looking forward
to finding out about these guys before you got to
meet him actually in person. I mean, obviously Marcus has
the first one on one date. That's somebody that you know.
I think the viewership has been very excited about since
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the beginning very intrigued by because he has been more reserved.
So anybody else that you're really excited to learn more
about this week?
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Gosh. I mean there's so many guys that I don't
feel like they've developed very much. Like we knew nothing
about Spencer going into this, we knew nothing about Jeremy
going into this, Like they're kind of the whole season
has really been focused between Devin and Sam, So I mean, yeah,
(06:27):
I think I just we wanted to know more about
everyone other than.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Those two, don't you think when you were Also, when
you were in there, it was pretty obvious who the
good dudes were.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
I mean, we'll get into our date. Jason and I
walked away from it and we were like, Okay, on
the count of three, say who your favorite was in
the room, and we both have the same answer.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I do think the show has had seasons going back
in for and Ashley and I are always very critical
but also very celibratory for the show because it has
brought us a lot of good things in life. I
do think what we're seeing in some of the most
recent seasons, not Joey's. I think Joey's was kind of
an anomaly here. The character building of the contestants has
(07:18):
been weak, Yeah, meaning we don't get to know much
about any of them, but when we do, we get
tied in because we root for him or I mean
most of the time we're just rooting for him. There's
very few people from Joe's season we were ever cheering against.
It's just you get to know their stories.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Is that intentional that they're not doing the character stuff
you think or the character development?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I would assume it's not, because I think the show
knows they want to do that. My assumption is that
they don't have the contestants that actually have the ability
to do it, meaning they're not as open, they're more reserved,
they're not great in the itms, they're not kind of
they're maybe a little more on edge. Typically up until
this season, I would have blamed it on the lead
(07:59):
for not bringing that out in them, But I think
Jen is bringing out in them. I don't think they're
reciprocating kind of that response on here's my story, here's
what I'm dealing with, Here's what I'm looking for. It's
just I think it's hard.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I don't even know, and like Jens, Jen was awesome.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We had a great time with her, but the producers
also said, like from their perspective.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Generally having a hard time getting pulling.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Stuff out of her.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
They thought Jen was being a little bit more close
and I again, I only have one episode to watch him.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Like, man, she looks great, right, she's doing great on
this thing.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But like what they had said up to the point
when we met them was it was more challenging for them.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
So good in the episode to see more of Marcus
and like hear more of his personal family life. I mean,
they just teed him up if he wants to be
a bachelor, Like holy hell, I.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Mean I watched one episode and I'm like, if he
the only reason if he's not the bachelor he is
if he says.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
No, yeah, I mean this episode or he gets chosen.
But like, yeah, this episode was it was I'd say,
I don't know how to the adjective maybe shocking to
me because we don't know a lot about him, but
we do know that he know he served, he's a veteran,
He's gone through a bunch of stuff, and he's he's
mentioned that, but he has been more reserved in every
(09:06):
other moment other than when he's like opened up at
the very beginning of the season. This episode he shares
his story, and his story is one where I'm sitting
here at my desk as I watch the episode and
I'm you know, I wrote a whole book on loneliness
and why you know, on connection, and I'm like, this
guy has a story that so many people are gonna
(09:27):
benefit from because it's an incredible story and he's come
through it and now you see him on national television.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, I hope again, like I can't imagine going through
something like he did, but like that was the.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
For me.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
That's the reason to watch the show. Like the drama
and all that kind of stuff. I hope people enjoy it,
but like seeing a character or human like that that
has accomplished and could come over so much stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, the two of you could probably because I just
jobbing down some notes. The two of you could probably
attest to this. It's pretty wild to me and one
of my favorite parts watching the show at this point.
You know, a lot of these people are a lot
younger than me. Life has moved on for me. But
the thing that always this show does when it's good is.
It reminds me of the value of human story and
(10:11):
that everybody has a story. And I'm sure coming off
of your seasons when you were on the show, there
were moments where you're looking around being like, these are
some incredible people and they've all been through something. Yeah,
and that's to me something special to watch well.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And I know, even thinking about like my story, I know,
really the only reason that they wanted me was the
single dad, you know, divorce guy. And granted, like I
hope people like me other than that, but I know,
like when we were going through casting for The Batcher
and they were pretty transparent with me, like who they
were also considering, but like, I think it was the
whole story of like this guy and his kid.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's this relatable story.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'm sure at the time too, that story was a
little like shocking for them to want to put on
because that hadn't been done before. They were you know,
walking down a very easy line up until that point,
and you know, it pushed the boundary a little bit.
But Marcus's story just is heartwarming and he's obviously getting
the Rose, but as you said, if he's not chosen
and if he says yes to it, there's zero chance
(11:13):
he's not the Bachelor, right, I know.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I mean zero, Like I think his story and again
like he comes like I think he's probably as authentic
as he comes across. But to kind of crack open
that story even more, like how could you not love
that guy?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Everybody's got a root for him. So he does get
the rose, he's moving on to hometowns. He's a lock,
He's at the top of our list, he's a favorite.
And then we have a group date. We have a
group date that Jeremy is very hope, very he's very
much hoping he doesn't go on because he's the only
one without a one on one date up until this point.
I thought that there was a reason for that. My
(11:51):
mind was changed after his date. But the group date happens,
and the names on the list of the men who
are going on the group date are Spencer, Jonathan, Sam, Devin,
and Grant, and Jen says, I want I love that
listens now it's an interesting note card. I don't really
(12:13):
know what that means, but Jason Emala, you do know
what that means. And so what we find is that
they show up to a radio station that you're both
at that you're hosting this date, and you've mentioned your
two co hosts that are in the room with you
as well. What was your hope for this date? Well,
I mean, I know, when you host a date, you
obviously are kind of told, hey, this is how it's
going to work, and this was going to go on.
(12:34):
But you also have some freedom to get something out
of this date that you want as the host of
the date. What were the two of you wanting for
this date?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Well, I think first of all, this is a really
tricky type of date because you are forcing these guys
to express their feelings for Jen in front of one another.
And it's not like they're doing it in a funny
way where it's like a song or a dance or
like a comedy show like they've done in the past.
It was like you needed to share your real, true
feelings about her in a serious way with everyone else
(13:03):
that lives with you in the same room. So I
get that it could be really uncomfortable. Jen made the
comment like, I feel like it's a who loves Jen
competition more And that's truly how it felt when we
were in that room. It's like everyone was trying to
one up the next person.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I always like, like, my hope was like trying to
figure her out, whether it was on camera or off camera,
because you know, we filmed for outs, right, and they
give you ten minutes on camera or they So my
hope was to find somebody who identify somebody who was
a good guy, right, like especially the era being so
different now where people are trying to get more followers
(13:39):
and Instagram and all that kind of stuff, like to
see like who looks at you in the eye when
they're talking to you, right, Who isn't a complete douche bag?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Like who who.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Really is saying what they think she wants to hear.
There was one very clear winner in that room for
being genuine and how.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
They spoke none you can tell them who was it?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Hey, let's have you guess who do you think? We
walked away and we were like that dude is in
this for real.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
We love him and we and the one of the
producers said the same thing afterwards.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, my first guess is Jonathan.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yep, without without a doubt. When we would ask him questions,
he wouldn't respond to us. He would look straight at
Jen and as if he was talking to her and
no one else was in the room. It was amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
And he's also those type of guys where if you're
having a conversation he'll ask you something where like and
I know, you get.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
To this with Sam, it's like me, me, me, me me.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Jonathan was the complete opposite out of editing editing or not.
That was just like, hey, let me ask you a question,
super thoughtful.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Super good.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
He was amazing. We walked away and were like, he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So he was easily when you guys got in the
car and you said one, two, three, who's your favorite Jonathan.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Without a doubt, Like it's not like if they're attracted
to do each other and all that kind of stuff,
but just like as good as you can me.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, because at this point too, you're hosting a date
and there is no way for you to watch the
episodes before and so you don't No matter what, you
wouldn't have known anything about these guys leading up to
that day because they're filming a show.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I mean a little bit like they were telling like
where they did, where they just came from, and that
kind of stuff. But other than that, we had I
mean just their pictures on our on our desk.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Yeah, it was interesting, just the environment of the date
where you have to kind of, you know, speak your
love for her and there you've watched this season.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
There's a lot of smooth talkers on this season. Yeah, right,
And so not knowing any of the backstory of any
of these guys and how the first few weeks have gone,
I just kind of sat there internally smirking, like, God,
you're full of shit.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yes, you didn't say it. Why didn't you say it?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well, I don't want to make anyone feel bad, and
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. But like, I
like that I could, I could see straight through some
of these guys.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
But you were also like Mollie's got an interesting perspective
because she was a radio host. She's hosting this thing
and you almost got back into work mode. Yeah maybe right,
So she was able to take her seven or eight
years of experience in radio. There was two other radio
hosts there, so they were in this position where it
was very normal, and these guys won.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
They think they're on the radio show, right.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Which is so they may they may be saying stuff
outside of TV. They think they're live on the air
in Seattle are going to be live on the airon
Seattle and they have no idea what's going on. So
it was almost unfit. Like it was three radio hosts against.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
They're losing.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, what was your role in that? Jason? Like, you're
obviously worried there was three radio hosts in you?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Oh, you have no like like there was a like,
you know, sometimes you have to re record something and
they don't like. So they had asked me to say
something to all the guys in there and about who
I'm picking and all this stuff, and we shoot it
and I'm like, fucking nail that shit, right, I'm super pumped.
And they're like, hey, would it be easier if you
do it again? Or Molly just says it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I was like, I know my role, Litz ever her
do it.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
You did a good job of talking, like normally I
kind of take over and hijack interviews and all of that.
Good job getting some words in.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, I try to say five words total in five hours.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Would it be easier for Molly just to do or
do you want to try that again? Jason, You're the best. Okay, Well,
obviously the viewership is going to watch this date and
see that the big storyline is Sam. Right, these other
guys they did their thing, they played along, they answered
the questions. Like you said, it was an awkward environment
because you are asking all of them to express their
(17:34):
feelings towards Jin in front of each other, which I
think is so unhealthy on this show and something you
try to never do. But you two hosted a date
that set them up for that. But Sam, is there
really the storyline that comes out of this? So when
it comes to Sam, did you feel like, as you
were hosts of the show that it was an accurate
(17:54):
portrayal watching the episode back of how he was or
was it an inaccurate portrayal and editing really caused this
whole thing to go a mess.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I think it was entirely accurate. There was so much
more that people didn't even see. Sam. Devin said it perfectly.
There's Sam says so many words, and he talks so much,
but it says if nothing's coming out of his mouth,
like he just rambles and rambles and rambles, and there
(18:26):
was no meat to what he was saying and he
couldn't really get his thoughts out. What I will say
is like we're not going to sit here in bash Sam,
like he's getting a really bad edit this season. I
think this show in this environment either makes someone flourish
or it makes them flounder. And I think he is
maybe someone who this environment isn't good for him. I
(18:48):
think he was more maybe wrapped up in the competition
aspect of it and winning and wasn't really like allowing
himself to feel.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
I disagree a little bit, meaning like I think the
competition part of Sam for sure, And but I think
she was she loved Like we sat there and filmed
for hours.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
One of those hours was just.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
At one point it was just Molly and I, Jen
and Sam in the room and they were talking, they
were playing games.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
They like the kiss that they showed was like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yeah, it's super awkward to be in that room.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Like she was so she.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Is so attracted to him. She was, and I think, yes,
said the attraction piece of Sam.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yes, Sam's like this former athlete. There were things that
Sam said that like they had to edit out.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
They were so terrible. We can't even talk about that.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
But I will say, like I think and I can't
figure out what happened because I would like if I
didn't expect Sam to win, but I expected Sam to
get a hometown date for sure. Something else must have happened,
And I know there's the production aspect, like they may
have told her. Let me give you example, they may
have told her about something that really set her off.
And I'll give you one example that happened to me.
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I remember I was on a date back in Black
and White TV with a girl who was on the show,
and I was They initially said, hey, we need you
to go on a date with somebody that you know
you're going to send home later that day.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
So that was the plan, and I was like, Okay,
this sucks. This is how the show works.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
So I go on the date and halfway through the date,
I'm like I really like it, Like she's awesome, and
they're like, hey, mesnik, she's a full time smoker. What
do you think now, right? So they knew that I
had a kid, and like in like, you got in
my head and I'm not picking somebody who smokes full time.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
That's not my thing.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
So they got into my head and they knew that
I was going to send her home because of that comment.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I feel like.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
There's something that was said that set her off because
she was so in like before she walked in, when
Sam was before all the guys walked in, it was
like Sam Sam Sam, Sam helped me get to know
these other guys better. But by the way Sam Sam
Sam Sam.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, I think it's more something happened that she doesn't
give her anything. It doesn't say she asked him multiple times,
but why do you like me? But why do you
think you're in love with me? Why do you think
we're compoued? And he gives just words but there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
But I know, but that whole thing to me is
like everybody's saying that, And if everybody's saying that, that's
coming from somewhere, you're saying that because they were show
on the show last night.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Also, but I felt that when we were filmy, we're
having an argument on this podcast right now.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
No, this is good.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
This we were when we were filming, the two of
them had a Loane time and we were in there
with him. We had ear pieces in and Sam. They
would ask each other a question. Sam was rambling on
for so long. They'd be like, Molly, cut him off
and ask another question, tell him to stop talking and
ask another question. He just kept going and going and
going and going.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Well, that can be also nerves. And again I don't
think Sam's near Again. I want to like, he's not
nearly as bad as they're bay saying. He's got some stuff.
I'm sure like, and I think what he wanted more
than anything is like and maybe Jen's not the right person.
He does want to be with somebody. He wants to
get married. He wants that and he probably saw it
right in front of him and it.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Just wasn't working out for him.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Well, he's foot in mouth moments where he's like I
thought it was going to be Daisy or Maria.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
A point I was going to bring up where it's like, Okay,
no matter what we say about Sam, I'm not here
to bash him. But like, there are some things that
he was saying that you're like, hey, that's there's just
no way to get around what that you just said
that he thought it was.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
And I will say, like, there are things that didn't
make it on the air that will never ever be
said by anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
No, It's like that was a.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Moment where I was just like, oh my god, I
can't believe you just said that.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I mean, it cannot make Jin feel good. And
so the timeline is this you're saying that Jen came
in and it's Sam Sam Sam Sam is somebody your
two are going to look out for. And then was
there a moment during this because we're watching it as
viewers and we're going, this is getting awkward. There are
things that he's saying that if you know we were dating,
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you know, I would definitely been thrown off by or
had a thousand questions to dig into, or just maybe
said hey, this isn't working, like just got up and
walked away. Was there a moment during your date where
you felt like she realized this is maybe not the
guy that I thought he was.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Yeah, I saw it. I saw it when she's when
they were having their alone time and he's talking and
she finally is like but why, but why do you
think it's me? That's where I was like, she's gone
to him.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I again, like I know that that happened, But that's
coming straight from a producer, Like I went through this
with you on the show specifically, I had problems with
you not opening up, and the producers are like.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
This is why I want to get it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Can't continue until she opens up because you were introverted.
Yeah right, And there's something about Sam like and again
I get it, like he's not the right guy for her,
But those questions specifically are coming from somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Maybe Okay, she don't like my perspective.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think these are great perspectives. This is why the
two of you thrived during your time podcast hosting together.
So the light ball went off. I do say there
(24:02):
is a personality trait that I always watch out for
every season. Anybody listens to this podcast knows what it is.
It's my biggest pet peeve in life. It's somebody that
describes themselves by, for example, by saying you're a selfless person.
I also am a selfless person. I just don't think
(24:22):
we as humans have the ability to actually describe ourselves
in that way. I think we need to leave that
up to somebody else to say, Hey, you know, you're
a very selfless person. You say thank you, Jason, same
to you, same to you, Molly. So you guys can
take that you're the goat Molly that you shouldn't hear that,
know that, And so that always feels like during the show,
(24:43):
and the reason it bothers me is because it always
does feel like it comes up in very important moments,
and it does make the conversation more focused on myself
than it does the other person. And that's really outside
of everything else with the you know, without doubling down
on Sam, what really felt like to me as a
viewer was most bothersome about this moment and your date
(25:06):
was that everything did come back to himself at some level.
It was never a curiosity or an intention of getting
knowing Jin better. It was more of I need to
get the words in about myself in this moment. Did
you guys feel that way when you're hosting it?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, I mean that's a really good point, Like you're like, hey,
I'm really trustworthy and I'm honest person.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Well just be that way, don't you even't have to.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Say it right?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's a bit. I mean, that's actually a really a
good point. Yeah, I mean I think that's showed through well.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
The Sam Jin kind of fiasco is coming to a
head during your date. But then we obviously have another
one on one date to get to before we go
back to Sam and Jen. As we finish out this
episode of the podcast, we have a one on one
date with Jeremy. Jeremy is somebody that we really haven't
heard much about, we don't know much about, and I
really thought, quite frankly, that he was going home this episode.
(25:58):
I thought that was going to be a one on
one date. He's gone, what changed for you know, for
the two of you during this date to where you go, well, okay,
he actually is going to stick around.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yeah. I don't know if I had that moment because
I too was like, well, we haven't seen him at all,
so they're setting him up to be the guy that
gets sent home on a one on one date, like
that's why he's getting it. I don't even know if
there was a moment for me. I was like, we
don't know anything about this guy. They're not really talking
about anything, or they're not showing them talking about anything important,
so like, I don't even know, that's a good question.
(26:29):
It was almost like when he was talking about his mom,
do you.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Remember, like and maybe I'm making this up. I thought.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I remember her saying like, I'm pretty sure I knew
who my three hometown kind of date, like she was
kind of getting to the point where she knew who
their three were for the hometown dates, but she didn't
know her fourth when we saw her. Yes, I like,
I have this memory of like some kind of conversation
around there, and maybe it was just like I don't
know who my fourth is, so like, and he really
earned that during the date, maybe because I do. I like,
(26:57):
I remember that from for my season. I'm like, i'
pretty sure I know him three, but I don't know
who the fourth is. I got to really dig into
this one.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I don't know, I would agree. I think that is
probably common that you're like, hey, i've got it solid
top three, but the fourth is kind of you know,
out there. However, Grant seemed to be far in a
way above Jeremy up until this week. In every episode,
there was never a chance where he was not going
to make the final four. And I think most people's opinions, yeah,
(27:23):
that was such.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
A good shocking to us. We loved him when we
met him, and Riley, that is Riley's favorite. She's like,
if Grant's the Bachelor, I'm going on it.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, no, eleven year olds on it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And then he was funny.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I just don't know what happened there because he was
such a favorite. They had such a good connection. He
obviously opens up. Last week, he has a really sweet
moment with Marcus where he's like, dude, I'm sorry, I
have to tell you this. I just don't know have
anybody else to talk to, but like, I'm in love
with this girl, and Marcus like, hey, it's all good,
I got your back. Won't tell anybody, it's all It's
all fine. And then he's gone this week and we
don't really have a for it other than the fact
(28:01):
that Jeremy does kind of sneak in with this unexpected rose. Now,
their date was not not great. It was good. It
was a good date. They had a lot of really
tough conversations about you know, their their fath systems, their
faith traditions, where they come up in life, what they
desire for a family, how they navigate that together. Those
are very important conversations when you're looking to spend your
(28:21):
life with somebody. But still, I didn't feel like that
date pushed him to that place where I would be
seeing him next week.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
But you know, can I tell you, like by watching
your first episode way midway through this season, Yeah, he
was great. He didn't surprise me at all. I think
he deserved to be there and we'll see what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, that's he's a runner. He's my favorite.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
He's my favorite now.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's actually an interesting perspective. Yeah, without any like backstory
or watching this season that you know, you come in
you're like, No, that guy's great.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yes, I see what didn't show up on her date.
He's my favorite now.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So you know, Jeremy does get the road, so that
means two people have the rows at this point, Marcus
and Jeremy. And we're getting to the end of this
episode where we see Jin come back into the hotel
that all the guys are staying pretty fired up. And
the confusion for me in this scene and in this
moment for Jin is I actually don't know why she's
fired up. Yes, it didn't feel like her and Sam
(29:24):
were connecting. Yes, it felt like the date that you
two hosted with Sam. It did feel like they were
on a communication miss most of the time. But it
does feel like to me when she comes back into
the room to find Sam, or back into the hotel
to find Sam, that like there's this like fire inside
of her. Do do you have any idea on where
(29:44):
that would be coming from, because for me, it feels
like it should have just been one of those moments
where she's like, I'm just confused. Sam. We got to talk,
but it feels like she's on a mission for something.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
That's what I said.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
That's a producer in our carpent in her.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Ear only because I've been there before and you don't
realize what's happening at the time.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And I could be totally wrong.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I mean we got produced again and like we've been
to this man.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Like there's something like I just don't we're not privy
to those conversations because like there's no way like she
went from like he's my number one I'm not saying
he was his number one, but like number one attraction,
like she can't get him physically to like being ousted
and mad at him that quickly.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
It did seem a little like jarring, like whoa, you're
mad about something?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, And I thought she was gonna go and be like, hey, Sam,
you have a girlfriend back home, Like I thought, that's
what it felt like to me, where like this was
leading up to big revelation, but it wasn't. The two
of them just had to talk.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Remember, like she like storms out of there and she
needs to cool off, and I'm like, WHOA, Like this
escalated quickly.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Something changed, and you have to be right. Somebody got
in her ear. But it's not like they were getting
in her ear and telling her something that wasn't probably true.
They were just for sure bringing to light stuff that
she was not able to see up until this point.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Maybe maybe they told her what he said. Oh god, stop,
I know we'll never say it.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's just this mystery. I read it. I'm
sure if you go on read it in a couple
days they'll find out what happened. No, they're really good
at it. Okay, So she comes back out of the room,
she has to cool off. To summarize that whole long
back and forth, it's just more of what was existing
during your date. It's just the two of them. Well
mostly he's just talking past her. None of it's connecting.
(31:35):
Even when, like you, you're like, hey, she's teeming you
up for a very easy answer. The response was missing.
And I am going to go back to what Jason
said earlier because I do think this is true, and
I feel for any person in this scenario, good not
the right environment for him. We're not going to double
down on him and all the stuff that's gone on
all season for him already. I feel like in this moment,
(31:56):
what we really saw was that this dude is so
insanely nervous, probably coming based on some way he feels
about himself, because once the camera's on him, and once
the attention is on him, and once he's getting pushed
a little bit, like he has that catch in his throat,
he can't even speak.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
That nervous cats. There's something ner he was super nervous about.
I mean, it's either allergies or nerves.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Ye, allergies their nerves. I would mean it could be both,
but it did feel like to me when I watched this,
this dude pushed, felt pushed up against the wall that
he couldn't get out of. He didn't know how to
answer anything well, he wasn't getting anywhere good. His smooth
talking had kind of come to an end, so that
(32:39):
wasn't gonna work, and he got very nervous, and it
felt like that's what caused the massive disconnect to where
he's ended up going home because he had no way out,
like there was no good path for him for.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I was still shock like, I like if he was
sitting there, wouldn't you have said one hundred percent he
gets to him down date.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I thought.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's such a that's a very interesting perspect because you
two were with him that week, when you even left
that date, even after the fiasca that happened, and even
after their kind of conversation, you two still felt like
there's no chance he doesn't still get a hometown.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I felt one.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Hundred percent, Suy, Yeah, I thought he'd get a hometown.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I mean, like I didn't know beyond that because obviously
things went out, but like I was like, hands down,
like sitting in that room, I didn't know anybody else
Marcus's story. I knew she had a good date the
day before and she told us that, right, we didn't
know any of that. But sitting there with the guys
that we knew, like Grant, Sam, Jonathan and then Spencer
(33:37):
and Spencer Yah yeah, I mean and Spencer to me,
like I just remember going, like the guys when I
was on the Bachelor, there's guys that made it to
the final six or seven that didn't even know the
bat know her, so like it didn't surprise me that
there were people that weren't that close.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, Yeah, and he felt like so Spencer, who ends
up going home at the end of this episode along
with Grant, which was a shock to all of us. Here. Spencer,
to you during your day, you felt like he's the
one that probably is on the outside looking in. It's
pretty clear, but like kind.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Of middle of the road. He didn't stand out. They didn't,
he didn't talk a ton, and then watching the season,
he's non existent.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I mean, it only stuck out the two people that
stuck out to me where she wanted to ask. She
wanted us to dig into Sam and then she's like, Okay,
there's this guy Devin who looks like Pete Davidson, and like,
I don't know if he's just funny or if I
need to find out more, but can you dig into
him because he seems just like the funny guy.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, And so Spencer was on the outside looking in,
which makes sense because Spencer is going home along with Grant.
Final thing I want to talk to you guys about
before we kind of go in predictions for the rest
of the season. Spencer's last scene, as he says goodbye,
he calls his mom. His mom is his mom is
obviously very sweet, she obviously calls him baby. I think
(34:51):
we've made that perfectly clear, which is fine. Moms can
do what they do, what they want, how they want
to do it. Outside of you know that conversation. Am
I wrong? You guys have been around the show for
a while now. In saying yes, I do think Marcus
is like teed up to be the next lead. It
felt like the show was trying to make Spencer that guy.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
They were trying to do something by showing that for sure,
Like when I was like, they've never done this, This
is weird. Why are they showing this? They're setting him
up for something. But how could they set him up
to be the bachelor now when they've been able to
edit everything and he's hardly in the show.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
They know that they need backups, Yeah, they do need backups.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
They know that the first person might not accept and
so on, and so far we didn't even talk about
all the girls coming to our house.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Oh yeah, that's a whole different in Town trista charity,
they all came for dinner. They all came over.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, wait, but not on the show.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
No, no, no, they were in town filming the day before. Yeah,
so we're like, why don't you girls all come over?
So we had a rager at the Mesnik house with
all a girl.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, so they were really tired the day they filmed.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah was it fun?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Oh gosh, we had a blast. We had so much
fun I had. I would have to catch myself every
once in a while and be like, oh my gosh,
I'm like twenty years older than these girls.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So who was all there? Who were the girls that
actually came over?
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Trista Not Trista obviously Trista, Charity, Daisy and Kelsey and.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Riley had gotten into the season before, so Riley.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Was super excited for Fine, like these girls on TV
and now they're in my house.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, Mom and dad, you're so cool. Ye wait, why
am I missing something? Where Daisy and Kelsey they weren't
on this episode? Were they?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah? They were the Wicked date.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Oh geez goodness. Yeah, that feels like such a small
like early part of the episode. Okay, you're right, one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, it was super cool because we obviously know Trista
really well, but to get they could know some of
the younger girls like they were super cool.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, they're they're and it's fun to see kind of
this next generation because they are they're they're very similar
to how we all were coming off the show. They're
excited it's new, but they're just great hangs. Like they're
a lot of fun to hang out with. So that's
that's special. And here's what's really cool. It probably meant
a lot to them like that you guys had them
(37:11):
over like this means a lot to those contestants because
you don't get those like really fun, non like event
moments where it's just like, let's just go have fun
at a house.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah. Actually, Daisy, who had reached out before after following
just being so grateful. She's like, that was so much fun.
Thank you so much for welcoming us into your home.
We love getting to night like she she is as
sweet as it gets with charity.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah yeah. I don't think anybody shocked that Daisy's sweet.
Her name is Daisy, so it'd be hard not to.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
You have to be nice.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, to go back to the Spencer thing, I kind
of they need backups and it wouldn't be shocking for
the show is confusing. It is as it is to
pick a lead who hasn't been shown a lot Clayton,
Zach come to mind. Yeahigs Jen, Like they have picked
people who kind of fly under the radarter in their
season and they kind of try to launch them up
(38:09):
to be the lead. I don't think it's a great strategy,
but it is what has happened here as of recently. Okay,
so Ashley's not with us today, obviously, she's momming it
somewhere well actually nowhere in Rhode Island. They just went
back to their home and we do this every week
at the end of this episode when we record Top three.
(38:32):
Now it's only four people left. But who are your
Top three? Now? Moving into the final few weeks in
order from favorite to third.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Okay, I'm gonna say favorite, Marcus Jonathan, me too, Devin,
and then Jeremy. I just I don't see it with
Jeremy because we don't really know him.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah, I think Marcus Jonathan for sure. And then I
want Grant to come back.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Riley and I love Grant. I want Grant like some
people come back once in a while.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Okay, I'm surprised Jeremy's not Jason's number one. He said
he watched one episode, was like I think this is
the guy.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Like.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Did you were saying only goes so far, but like,
well that's you.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Guys have the exact same top three as me. I
do think Jeremy's on the outside looking in, so I
wouldn't be shocked. I would be shocked if anybody but Devin,
Marcus and Jonathan move on then to the Fantasy Suite week.
Jen has been fantastic. She's a great lead, she's carrying
the show. Well. She's been a fun watch and we
(39:40):
continue to to want to watch her. Jason and Molly,
thank you for coming on the show. It means a
lot that you spent this much time and that you
hosted an episode. It's always fun to catch up with
the two of you, and we really really hope to
see you back here soon. Hopefully when they come back
to Seattle, you can host another day.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I know, here's some advice.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
When you have jenn On, and I know you will
at some point, she'll want to take a shot with you.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, shot a clock, likes it.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
What what's the what's the liquor of choice?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (40:08):
None, I hate taking shots for her.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
It's called alcohol.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yeah, Jen had tequila.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Solid, solid move. I love it. Shot a clock, it's
shot a clock here. It's almost Famous podcast Until next time.
I've been Ben, just repeat, I've been, I've been then
your names? Oh no, go ahead, you guys are great.
We'll talk to you soon. Everybody. Thank you.
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