S4 #2 Bachelors on Bachelor

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's really good to be in studio. By the way,

(00:02):
this is the Ben and Ashley I Almost famous podcast
with IR Radio. Hey everybody, I'm Ben, oh and I'm Nicky. Yeah,
we're doing this like this. Um. Nick Viole is here today.
Ashley is out of the country and so we thought
we would bring back one of our favorite and most
special guest, the former Bachelor himself. Welcome to the podcast, Nick,

(00:26):
thanks for having Ben. Are you the most recent bachelor
other than Ari? Yes? Oh? Do we have the most
recent bachelor and the one before? Are you the one before?
I am? Yeah. This is a big deal, isn't it.
So we have the two most recent bachelors talking about
the new one. You are nothing if not observing. Oh man,

(00:47):
it's like you playing that or something. Um. Anyways, immediately
feel used. Wait before you guys start talking about everything,
I have some breaking news. I'd love to hear this.
I would like to read from US magazines End of
the Year issue some things that were the most googled in.
The most googled person Matt Lower, The most googled musician

(01:11):
Lincoln Park That's sad. The most googled wedding Pippa Middleton,
and James Matthews and the most googled breakup, Ben Higgins
and Lauren Bushnell. Way to go, congratulations, I was really
excited for this list. How is that possible? What do
you mean? How is that possible? How is that possible
that like more people googled you than Chris Pratt and

(01:33):
Anna Ferris or Anna Anna whatever her name is, Josh
de mel and Fergie. Let's know what you're saying right now?
Besides all yeah, besides all of variables that now my
breakup is is the most googled You're rubbing in by
going how I don't get it? I mean, I actually
I am like shocked, amy stop. I don't want to

(01:54):
be mean, like I'm proud of you. Well, I don't
want this is doing No, we're good people, truly believed
in your relationship. I believe that. Unfortunately that I don't
know what to say. I want to know what you're
feeling now that I've told you you're the most googled breakup.
How does that make you feel? Sad? Happy? I don't know, um, confused?

(02:18):
It's like a minor win in your failed relationship. There's
nothing about this. It's uh, it's really sad. It's like
the Ultimate Participation Award. Hey, you tried really hard, really hard,
and as a result we cared. Yeah, but hey listen,

(02:39):
you know like people cared that you lost all right,
Hey everybody, unlike my relationship, apparently people just went on
with their day. It's like, well, you know, yeah, Nick,
do you think you'd feel better if you were the
most google I'm comfortable with letting Ben have this award.
I mean it's in Prince I printed it magazine. I

(03:02):
can see the picture, highest grossing film, Beauty and the beast,
most stream song, Shape of You, most YouTube song, Desposito,
most googled breakup, Ben Higgins. It's really nice to be
back in studio with you all um. I'm so happily
ever after your question, absolutely not. You know, there's some

(03:24):
things in life that, uh, you would rather just never
have happened. And I honestly, I never thought I'd had
my own podcast. I never thought I'd be the Bachelor.
I never thought I'd fall in love on the Bachelor.
I never thought we would be breaking up from the Bachelor,
And I never thought people would care enough to actually
google about the breakup. And what are they googling? Like

(03:45):
if we broke up, I guess they google Ben at
Lauren breakup. So, Ben, do you think people are devastated
by the breakup or basking in your pain? Yeah? Oh um.
As a victim, I feel like people bask in my pain. Um.
But I really do believe that people watch this show,
and I believe just like you and Vanessa, people believed

(04:06):
in it. They want to believe in it. Oh, I
like to wait just for the breakup. Well, you're also
the one that brought up that I was the most
google breakup. Yeah, it's kind of like, oh, yeah, finally
we last. Yeah. I think people care, but I don't think.
I don't think people were that devastated when when it's
people break up from bach I think at this point

(04:27):
it's almost expected. Do you think there was a Bachelor
breakup where people were devastated? Ben and Lauren breaking up? People, Yeah,
we're pretty upset. It's got to be that because otherwise,
you know, I think people must google it because they
want to know what happened. How could this possibly have happened?
I need to google it and find out. And again
I posted like another relationship is like you know, I

(04:50):
was I've actually I've been devastated with a Bachelor breakup. Yeah,
I remember back in the day watching Um Desrah and
Rooks Desiree real devastated. Then they didn't even end up together.
But when that moment happened on the show when he said, hey,

(05:11):
I'm leaving, I remember feeling for her at the time
and going, this is sad because she's really into him.
But there's always a success story at the end, and
the success stories that she is happily married today. What
a kid to the dude from the show. Yeah, that's
what's your happy ending going to be. We're still looking
right after this podcast, Wait, am breaking news. You gotta

(05:35):
ask Ben about Winter Games. You're going back. What were
you thinking? Well, I was looking for my happily ever
after Winter Games? Everybody, Yeah, can you tell us what
it is to come Bachelor Nation? So Winter Games is

(05:55):
really just a fun kind of flighthearted show. Uh that
will be filling in for the weeks during the Olympics,
so the Bachelor will actually take a pause, Winter Games
will step in and fill that time slot, and it's
just it really was a really fun experience with obviously
the typical bachelor drama. Are people looking for love. People

(06:15):
are looking for love, they're competing in wintry sports. Um,
people are going on dates. Uh, there's tears, there's emotion,
there's everything you would expect from a Bachelor show. Ashley
are other co hosts. That's typically here. And I decided
to do it because we wanted to, you know, take this,
take that next step and have fun with it and
see what it was. I'm glad we did it. It

(06:38):
sounds like you're falling in love. Are you potentially in love?
You have to watch it sound like you're falling in
love with Ashley? Am I really? I didn't mean that
at all. Please don't take it that I didn't take
it that way. Um, but no, I did do it.
Now so you can go out to the Bachelor and
look at the release of the cast members. My picture
you should look up in close. I had my flight

(07:00):
down in it. Yeah, my flies down in my Bachelor
in true boy scout fashion. Ben is always prepared for
falling in love. Yes, how do we find picture? I
would want this no other way go. I don't go
out to Twitter the Bachelor of Twitter. Go to Mike

(07:20):
Flice's Twitter. I think he linked it. Um, you can
find it. I've I've now found it and it's been
sent to me a couple of times. You know, this
is my relationship with the show now, where they care
so little about how I look that they're just like,
you know what, there's some great pictures we have have
been Let's pick the one when it's flies down. I mean,

(07:42):
I'm assuming if I was down the entire photo shoot,
as opposed to you being like halfway from the shoot
being like, you know what, I'm just saying to breathe,
and then you know, uh yeah, no, it was down
the whole entire time. Nobody really wanted to tell me.
I'm I'm really excited this photo will now represent me
for the next I don't know month of my life.
The most Google old picture. I can see the names,

(08:02):
so I'll read who's on the show, but I see
no fly down picture, so it says the men from
the United States of America are Ben You, Dean, Eric,
Eric Bigger. I'm assuming Jamie. Who's Jamie? Um? Oh, Jamie's
from last season of The Bachelor. He was he was

(08:24):
gone very early. He had his famous statement at the
very first episode was if if Rachel isn't into a
guy with perfect facial features and a perfect wardrobe. She
won't be in the me so you can lose. Yeah,
he's actually he was. He was darling him, Josiah Luke,
Luke Pell. We like Luke Michael. We love Luke Michael.

(08:49):
I know that dude Gara below or something. Why are
there only three girls from representing America? Ari had a
couple of the girls from his season that have not
been it. Okay, so it's Ashley, I our very own Claire,
crazy Claire from Sacramento, She's crazy, keep going, and Leslie

(09:11):
from Shawn Lowe's season, and then apparently a bunch of
international people that won't mean anything that that was no there.
That was an exciting part of the show and really
a reason why I want to do it too, was
we didn't know a lot of the people that were
going on. They were from all over the world. There
are people from Japan and China and New Zealand and
Russia and Germany and I'm forgetting Australia. It was a

(09:33):
really great mix of people that caused for a really
fun show. I think the viewer is gonna watch. I know,
being a part of it for me was fun. I
think the viewer is gonna have fun with as well,
So make sure to tune in to Bachelorard games. I
will be there, um with my flight up for for
most of the season. Hey, tonight, we uh got to

(09:54):
witness the second episode of ri E season and and
so far, I'm having a hard time diving in um
emotionally to this season. Nick, do you agree? Well? I
never expected to dive in emotion emotionally to it. Um.
It's a you know, I thought this episode they really
made you wait a long time for some good TV.

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(12:02):
with the first. Let's break it down a little bit.
Coming from a bachelor perspective that has recently done the show,
what did you think of Becca and Ari's connection. It's
it's the first one on one, so it's kind of
hard to tell. UM. I will say the two one
on one dates were in terms of early dates, we're
both um, I think meaningful dates or some something to

(12:23):
kind of like take away in terms of they weren't
necessarily throw away dates. I think some you know, some
dates are always better than others. And in Batchel world,
and I think as the lead, UM, you know, there's
some sort of prioritizing of like who gets certain dates
that that happens, um, And so these particular dates, I
think we're dates that UM. I think Ari assumed or

(12:47):
knew that both of the women would really like and
appreciate you for different reasons. You know, Becca had the
whole like she was wine and nine and very kind
of pretty womanesque's got the key but all and things
like that, and she you know, so there was a
day about really making her feel special. I think that
So that's telling. And they seem to really like each other, UM,

(13:09):
and that's that's what I witnessed was I remember my
first one on one date with Kayla, and it really
started the relationship with Kaylin. She ended up going to
the final three because of that. Really that first date
when I got to sit down with her and I
realized for the first time in the show, Hey, I'm
actually gonna be really into somebody tonight when when we
watched Aris episode, I witnessed Becca and Ari having a

(13:29):
connection that just seemed more than what he has with most.
It was more natural. I did not find her annoying
and I did not find them awkward. Well, we really
don't know yet, right because we haven't really seen him.
That was the first date, Okay, so I mean, but
I will say the relationship seemed genuine, and he seemed
genuinely interested in her. And you know, Minnesota girl, she's Midwest.

(13:52):
You know, she seems very normal. You don't get the
sense that there's gonna be a lot of drama with her.
Um So, I think it's probably a relationship that's one
to watch. But your perspective, and I guess my perspective too,
is different because you can watch this and be you
can see past some of the stuff that typically the
normal viewer can't. So you're watching this year's you're looking

(14:15):
for cues of is this real or is it not?
Is already putting on his game face or is he not?
And from my perspective, I felt like watching that first
one on one day, to me, it seemed like there
was something more like she she's gonna be around a while. Yeah,
I definitely, I think, yeah, I think it's a relationship
we should watch. I think, like I agree with you,

(14:35):
like little things like the music they chose to play
and things like that, you know, during during their date, um,
you know it was they Definitely, I thought it was
an interesting moment to um in terms of they they
aired one of the ladies, um, I don't know who
it was, when are picked back up for the date

(14:56):
of saying they look so cute together. I thought that
was a really telling moment of the show, like it's
letting you know that even some of the other women
think they look like a good couple. So I think
that's an interesting point to watch. So I think, yeah,
I agree. I mean, if I had to guess she'll
be around for a while, um, because I thought that

(15:18):
was a telling little set up by the show. I
think there was, I was gonna say the same thing.
I think there was another moment in the episode where
somebody said they're gonna get married. I think Bibiana might
have been the one that when at some point she
looked at Becca and Ari and said they're going to
get married. I thought that was really sweet. It was.

(15:39):
It was a kind gesture on Biby honest part, but
also a little odd that other women are seeing something
there so early on. It almost reminded me of Sean
and Caitlin from the first night on. The guys were
saying this that relationship is different than any of ours,
and we can feel it, we can since it, we
can see it. We're gonna be around because we don't
know for certain, but we have a pretty good idea

(16:01):
that something special exists until you stepped in. And maybe
somethings gonna show week for this season. Um yeah no.
And also keep in mind she had she had the
first one on one, so there's a good chance like
in the next couple of weeks we won't see much
of Becca, like she'll pop in, but like you know,
she's not gonna have a one on one day for

(16:22):
a while, So there's that I mean, she'll obviously be
on group dates, and I would expect her to probably
get a group date Rose at some point. Um, yeah,
but we won't. So I think it was telling that
the show, because it was an early date. Um, they
definitely went out of their way to let you know
that this relationship was was meaningful. Um. And then you
had with the second one on one day. What was

(16:43):
that young lady's name? Yeah, the second one on one day, Uh,
was with Crystal. Crystal and Ari flew to Scottsdale to
visit his hometown to to meet his parents. Which I
thought was a huge step and and kind of uh
different for the show to do so early. Um. Yeah,
I mean they mixed it up, but it was. It's
interesting about that data is because you look at the
data itself and it would seem incredibly meaningful. You know,

(17:05):
hometown where he lives, meet the family, you know, and
so you immediately assume that even if you're her and
as a viewer like this already really likes this girl,
which is entirely true. It's so early on, he doesn't
really know any of these women at all. Um, so
he's basing early dates off of night one impressions. Um,
only to kind of find out as a viewer that

(17:27):
you know, she doesn't have a close relationship with her family,
so like, you know, that's not a coincidence that she
gets to go and meet his family and find out
how close he is, only to have to like talk
about how she's not close with hers. So to me,
that lost a little in terms of what does that
mean for those two in their relationship. Like I was like, okay,
that makes sense, and it makes less sense about the

(17:49):
relationship and more maybe about a storyline. And then obviously
she proceeded to be pretty good TV. At the cocktail party,
she was still weird. She has the ultimate um what
what does Howard Stern call it? Um vocal fry? Yeah? Yeah,
it's not even cute, Like first it's like sounds saltry.

(18:11):
It's like one of those people's voices were at first
like oh, this is really attractive, and then then like no, no,
minutes later just like oh you're talking not that not
a shot that that was attractive. That I think that's
where I want to get into here, So let's break
down that it was. It was fun to watch because
I want to know what the cocktail party. I hope
she sticks around Ben at the cocktail party, when she
was like, I missed you. Would you have liked that? No? No,

(18:33):
And I think that's you know, so we have Crystal
here who goes on this one on one. We all
kind of like her. After the one on one, I think,
all of a, Okay, there's something there. She opened up.
She shared, she was vulnerable, but I even wrote in
my notes there's something more here. At that moment, I
was like, this is she isn't this easy. She's more complicated,
which complicated and it could be a good thing, but

(18:53):
there's more to her. Yeah, she there was something. And
then we get to the cocktail party and we start
to see something thing. We actually saw it beforehand, if
you remember, right when she sat down with the women
in the house and they were asking her about the date.
And I know her intention was to not make them jealous,
to not overstep her bounds by sharing too much. But
as a result of not sharing too much, she came

(19:15):
off very distant and a little bit bitchy. M Am
I wrong, of course, she comes off as total bitchy,
which is good to good TV. I mean, I actually
it's funny launching this show how long has the show
been on? But we get this is the twenty second
season the Bachelor. We have how many season in the Batan.
It's like I'm almost like impressed, Like how do you

(19:37):
feel like they still come on? And and I don't
know if it's a producer thing or the people on
this show, they're like there's still like unapologetically and like
and I appreciate to a certain extent. I mean, I
I wasn't that assertive with my time and for all
the for all the criticism if I got early on
in annual season, I really didn't interrupt people, especially that
early on, but like I was a sort of with

(19:57):
like making going on on the way to make time
and do little things. But it just kind of amazing.
So that brings me to a question that I'm so
interested in for the two of you. So, Ben, when
you were the Bachelor and all these girls are like
I need my time with Ben, I need my time
with Ben, do you feel obligated that everyone get time
or do you feel like I'm just gonna talk to

(20:19):
the girls. I really am interested in, why waste my
time with Sally when I'm never gonna early on you
early on the first few weeks, I definitely wanted everybody
to get time because I didn't know anybody, and I
knew that that was my opportunity to get to know them.
As I got to know some people, then the time
wasn't as as needed because either A I knew they
were probably going home that night, and so I want

(20:41):
to invest into the people that I knew I was
going to be having a long lasting relationship with, or
at least another week long relationship with um. But and
so I think that's the transition right now are probably
feels pulled in the thousand directions. Here's the one thing
I always queued up on so watching christ season and
watch Andy season, people react certain ways to specific situations

(21:05):
you have. You always have your hey I need more time,
girl or guy, Hey i'm gonna pull him first, girl
or guy. You always have those playing out. Typically those
aren't the people that you're gonna end up with, and
so I watched for that. So this would have been
my thing. I don't know, Nick, do you agree or
disagree week one or week two? If somebody's coming in
and interrupting me three different times in three different conversations,

(21:27):
there's a queue or there's there's a sign that would
go off in my head that would go I need
to look farther into this person. There's something off, yes,
and I mean to a certain degree one. I mean yeah,
like christ is not gonna win. I mean I think
that's clear. Um, I mean yeah. I mean I don't
know if that means like, I don't think her interrupting

(21:48):
makes an immediate sign that she's like a crazy bad person.
I mean she might be slightly confused about their front.
I don't know. But listen here the role of the
why would somebody not not at all? Let's we're not
going into If she's about she's probably a great person.
But why the people that do that? Why are they

(22:08):
doing that? Where do you think that comes from? And
that they can find somebody to do that every year
because you know what, Listen, everyone wants to get time
and so coup and like not to give trade tickets.
The role is to think you would agree with this.
The role of any lead, especially early on, is to

(22:28):
allow the cast people to be themselves, so which is
why you often don't see and the leads often get
criticized for you don't see leads shutting people down. You
if someone's gonna interrupt three times, you usually always see
the lead let it happen. And there's a reason why
because like people like to hate on it, but they
also love watching it. So like you just kind of

(22:50):
let people and and truthfully, you know, in in all sincerity,
it does allow the lead to kind of get a
feel for what's going on, so you don't try to
take over too much. And you know, like producers let
women do their thing. But there if if someone says
I want to see Ari again, and they've already talked
to him twice, they'll probably make it easy for them

(23:12):
to find our How long are those little talks It depends.
It could be thirty seconds, it could be ten minutes. Yeah,
it just matters kind of where it's going and how
how beneficial it is. I mean, that's that's it, Nick,
It's the difficult situation. And as Amy was getting to,
these talks can often often be really short or really long.
You don't as the lead, you don't know how this

(23:32):
is going to play out, you don't know what it's
gonna look like. You want to give everybody their opportunity.
I want to ask you before we keep breaking down
this episode what was in week two? From one week
one to four, what was your most difficult experience being
the bachelor? What was the situation that you didn't know
how to handle it? Well, I mean, I don't know
if there's a situation I didn't know how to handle.
I think the most difficult thing about being the Bachelor

(23:53):
early on, it's just exhausting. I mean there's so many
women that you really want to try to get to know, Like,
you know, already had a gre update here was fifteen women.
So that's fifteen conversations. And assuming you only talked to
one person once, I mean, so he probably had twenty
little conversations. It's it's basically another night one. It's tiring,
itause exhausting. You have a sincere you have a sincere

(24:16):
effort to try to get to know these women, and
it's just exhausting. And so you know, for me, obviously
it was it was the Karin Show early on of
her wanting to get time and again, like it wasn't
like I didn't know how to handle the situation. It
was me letting Karinn be Karin, and then the fear
of like, you know, how how long can I let
this go on? Without really pissing off the other women's

(24:37):
it's a cat and mouse game. It's like it definitely
a juggling act. Is a complete juggling act. I think
you used the right word there. It's exhausting. Uh And
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we gotta get to I think one of the best
scenes ever in The Bachelor, one of the best dates,
Demolition Derby. That was pretty cool, amazing. I cannot believe

(26:27):
they were able to do that. Yeah, I was honestly
watching thinking a couple of things. One, it's just like
my dates were fine, there were, especially early on, but
like just early on, it's like hard to like, you know,
like Ari's first group date, he's Demolition Derby. He gets
to drive around and you can decorate these cars for
how do they find these cars that they just destroy?

(26:48):
I had to do a wedding photo shoot where like
I had to change into like twenty ridiculous freaking office
dressed up is like Adam and Eve and like half naked.
It was just like exhausting. And then like, yeah it
was Ori is just like driving around in cars, so
he's definitely that was a cool date. I mean, um,
I had some cool dates but whatever. Um, but yeah,

(27:09):
that was that. When then I had the track date
where I'm just like running around. I didn't get to me.
Carl Lewis, that was really cool. Um, but yeah, I
agree with you. I thought that was. I feel a
little bad for myself watching this episode. Now. I was like,
he pulls up in a motorcycle. I pull up in
a in a Volva. I had this, I had this
car convertible. Yeah different, I had this like a little

(27:32):
tiny audio which wasn't very masculine at all. You know
that says about me? Yeah, it really went with all
his blue eyes and cloud puffy lips. Yeah, I mean
they're really playing this guy up. And then he could
have a demolition derby. I gotta break down and saying, okay,
so so far. We talked about Becca. She was lovely.
There's something more there than what you that any of

(27:52):
the viewer actually knows. I think this she's gonna be
around about. We talked about Crystal on her one on
one date, really great one on one day. I feel
like she's playing into the role of hey, I need
more time, and she's overconfident in their relationship and as
a result, that's going to cause some problems I think,
for her later. And now we're getting into the not
for the viewers. That's why we watch right now. We

(28:14):
watched A Fine Love and Ari goes on gets into
a car something he does love and Analyze does not
love it. She was the mass girl night one. She
has a breakdown because she has a terror of bumper cars.
Now here's the thing. Before we get into this, I
want to be very clear. I don't want to judge
her for her fear. I am so scared of clowns,

(28:38):
like so unbelievably scared of clowns. I know people that
are scared of dark spaces that are adults. I know
people that are definitely scared of spiders. Technology. There are
some weird fears out there. So let's set the record
straight as we get to talk here. We're not saying
she's wrong for her fear. Well, I asked her about it.
What did she say? I met her, so we ked

(29:00):
about it last week that I hung out with her.
Can we have her as a guest? I think once
she doesn't marry Ari or does or does I would
I would love to ask some questions. Watching here's what
she told me. She had gone to do bumper cars
with her friends, and I guess they were mean to her.
What does that mean? I believe? And when she says friends,

(29:22):
how old is she? I think nine? Maybe let me
text her. Let me text her and find out how
old she was. But I think it triggered her or something.
She was having these like flashbacks stuff when like kids
were mean to her and bumping into her or something.
It was just like watching it, she's like she gets
really emotional. I'm like, oh, what happened? And I'm like
feeling really really bad. And then like I thought, maybe

(29:45):
she like got ran over or like there were some
serious injuries. And then she just basically described your like
very typical bumper car experience where people were bumping into
you and ganging up on you, which is what like
what happens. Anyone who's ever done pepper cars has had
the same experience. And then she's just the way she

(30:06):
tells the story, it was just like it would be
the same as someone's like, you know, I just I'm
terrified of crossing the street because this is one time
I crossed the street. In the middle of me crossing
the street, it said don't walk, and I didn't know
what to do, and so I froze and all these
cars came and it was just like terrifying. So I

(30:26):
swear to God, I haven't crossed the street since you're right,
I mean, so my seven it was the most unrelatable,
like devastating story. Well, and it was hyped up. So
I was watching tonight and she's like crying, like you said,
I thought, I think it's gonna be like, oh, she's
been in a major car wreck. A family's member been

(30:46):
in a major car wrec this is gonna be really hard.
The poor girl should not do this because it's triggering something.
But I'll be when she had an incident at the
County Fair, when when she announced her terror because of
my evilness, I laughed, Yeah, and then and I'm sorry,
and at least I'm sure you're I'm sure she's fine.

(31:06):
Who was there who called her out that she was
just like, I'm confused, and the girl was like, I'm
gonna ram right into I mean, the girls did not
take this series like they were like, yeah, I'm gonna
make her life worse because she's now announced her fear.
But she was scared. She was crying. It was crying.
I think she was just having a meltdown. I wouldn't

(31:28):
have done it if I was on the show, which
I would never be, But if I was, I would
have said, passed. I'm not going to go in that
rent a wreck and have someone banging into view past.
You're not gonna take the opportunity to overcome your traumatic
bumper experience. Because then is the good news is she
did and you know she's fine. No pass past. I'm
not going to like that weird car that had no

(31:50):
air bags or safety protect me. Stop stop what are
everybody out there listening? Amy doesn't get an elevator. She doesn't.
She hasn't flown on a plane in eighteen years. She
drives everywhere. She's scared of everything. So her telling me
what she's scared of and wanting me to take it
serious is really difficult. I wouldn't get into those cars.
There's tons of things on your show. I'd never do

(32:12):
my point exactly, Yeah, my point exactly. You would do
very little. Amy won't go on the show. The show
won't have Yeah, she she would fill a couple of
good roles. Um, and she would be the hottie. But
thank you, I needed that today. Next thank you? Um Yeah,
I mean, but I did think that might have been
one of the best and most exciting group dates I've
ever watched on television. They're all very lucky that they

(32:35):
think they get to have that uh bumper car experience. UM. Okay,
let's move on the cocktail party, the heart and soul
of the Bachelor, you know, the Bachelor. Can we back
up for a second. We can do whatever you'd like.
Who was the young lady um from what I believe Miami, Um.
I call her no show Biana, one of our favorites

(32:56):
on this podcast, one of our favorites. No chill. I
have to refer to her is that from now because
that kind of starts on the group day and I
really quite liked her in terms of like every season,
there's always someone early on who like it's like it
just started. I mean that we're talking like day two,

(33:17):
day three of filming here, and this person is already
losing their ship in terms of like the time they're
not getting in just time out. We can't I like
what she's doing. Though she's being very honest, very straightforward.
We need to appreciate her honesty more. I'm not I'm
not saying I don't appreciate I'm saying she still has
no chill, Like she's she's listen that that world is

(33:41):
hard and painful and it messes with you. She clearly
has not gotten much time with ari Um. It's early on,
and that's getting to her. She clearly she might be
the coolest person. I'm sure she is, Like she's probably
a lot of fun, but she's very outspoken. Obviously clearly
I would guess as an attractive woman used to like
getting attention, and now she's in a world that she's not,

(34:02):
and it's like messing with her and driving her nuts.
And on the first date she is losing her mind
and melting down. It's is it weird that I'm semi
attracted to that I haven't attracted that my whole life.
I watched it. I'm like, I love this, it's great.
But like she's I mean, she's very intense. But anyways,
I think she might, like I think off camera she would.

(34:23):
I think she'd hit someone. Yeah, I think she would.
I think I think she's capable of hitting someone, a
guy or a girl. I hope it happens. I don't
think it will, but she is really over it, and
so it kind of sets up into the cocktail party.
So I just wanted to segue into that bend. So
that was that. That was kind of the best part
of the cocktail party of her just going off on crystals. Yeah,

(34:47):
crazy crystal, and then all the making out with Becca,
the shorthaired Becca. They just seemed to be making out.
She's the most impressive one I think just as as
a person. Well, it's interesting because like she's the youngest.
I love her. They don't show her her age. Um,
it was night one like little things you pick up on.
Clearly she's young. They won't show her age. But to me,

(35:09):
she's one of the most self assuring, confident people on there.
When she called out when the whole like what makes
you excited, and Ari said excitement like, you know, that
was a funny little thing, and like, you know, we
don't know if that was like the end of the night.
Are he's excited in his brains? Fried? Like, I'm not
here to pick on Ari about answering that question, But
first of all, it was just a good question. It
wasn't like very overly specific, but it was better than well,

(35:33):
I'm just happy to be here and tell me about yourself.
It was like, all right, I'm gonna like ask you
a question that like might be able to tell me
something about yourself by the way you answer it. So
I thought it was a very thoughtful question. She's not dumb,
problem is going to be her age. Yeah, And then
the fact that, like when Aris said the excitement word,
she had the confidence, not in any bitchy sort of way,

(35:53):
but she called him out. You know, in a lot
of situations on that show, she could have been like
a lot of the women we are just like yeah, yeah,
excitement makes me excited too, Or she could have left
the conversation be like that moron, I'm sorry that moron,
like and so so yeah, she but the fact that

(36:14):
she like had the confidence on Night one to call
out the big old bachelor in terms of it just
showed a lot of it showed that she was very
self assured and confident herself. She's got a great voice.
I mean, yeah, I'm really impressed with her. She's clearly
too young, and you're right, like, I think she'll go
for a while based off of that. She's very you know,

(36:34):
sexy and whatever, but like eventually I think her age, well,
we'll kill her. Well, it's funny. I'm watching it and
I'm thinking, like, you compare this girl to karn it's
just like two and different maturity levels. Because she would
make a good bachelorette, but she's sex six years I'm
pretty sure. I mean that's but I mean it's good

(36:57):
for her. She's so I mean that shows that she
is very Uh, she's very as a young lady. She's
she's very impressive. Is in that world to like hold
her own and um, it's impressive. She I mean she
had one of the things that sit out to me
most on Night one was when she's sitting with Ari
and he was on the back of the car and
they were talking about, um, what they were into, and

(37:18):
she said, you know, something along the lines of so
far this is this is good for me, not giving
him too much confident, but just enough to be that,
you know, kind of sweet gesture to make him know, hey,
I want to be here a little longer. And I
think he was into it. He should be into it.
She's she's really great. She can you can tell. She
has a magnetic personality. He would want her, but she's
like twenty years younger than him. Yeah, it would just

(37:40):
be frowned upon fifteen years. I say, if he's hey,
love is love. If you I'm not judging, you know
it's anyways. Um, So okay, Nick, I want to ask you,
we're gonna go to the cocktail party. People these girls
grabbing uh Ari for more time, even when they have roses.
I know you're probably I'm gonna assume you're a fan

(38:01):
of this because you're all about, hey, take your time
to get as much time as possible. I mean, listen,
there's there's a there's there's a fine line of having show.
I think the idea that you have a rose and
so therefore you're not allowed. It's like, that's a bunch
of crap. I mean, I actually, and I think you
probably remember remember this when I came out on Caitlyn
Seas and I was like, listen, remember that, Like I'm
I don't I'm going to go out of my way

(38:23):
to try to find time with Cam and there's a
respectful way of doing it. But I'm not going to
concede time just because I've gotten a rose. There's a
difference between like getting a little bit of time and
waiting at the end or maybe there's you know, uh
as opposed to like going three times. I mean that
was a little a little much, But I don't think
you should immediately concede sometime because you've got some time.
That's the most insane thing to do, to just be like, well,

(38:47):
I've already had some time, and therefore please guy and
try to like so you're saying the people, the cast
members on the show, So the baby on it, let's
talk about beyond, and the babyon is upset because crystals
a rose and she keeps stealing Ari away from other conversations.
Do you feel like biby on anger is unwarranted, then
I think it's unwarranted to immediately be mad at the

(39:10):
first like she was mad immediately. She was mad that
she went to talk to her at all, like nothing
stopping Bibi On or anyone else to just grabbing her.
So like this idea, like they even said on the show,
there was this kind of one moment where they're like, well,
she's gonna go and then I'm gonna go, Like they
all like made a list, like if they said a
lot of the producers are gonna just be like, all right,

(39:31):
we're all gonna grab you from i TM and just
mess up your intentions. But like that's insane, Like this
is not like this idea of we're all going to
share the same guy and so yes, but at the
same time, now that she's you know, and it's not
a quins that the girl who got the most mad
was the one she interrupted, you know. But I think again,

(39:51):
there it's a fine line, so like you can be
assertive and make the most of your time without being
quote unquote disrespectful. And I think I think both girls
were wrong in that situation where Babiana was had no chill.
That's no chill, right, yeah, that's no chill, no chill,
had no chill. And I think Crystal, I think Crystal

(40:12):
like should have just you know, been happy with a
little bit of time and then left it alone. Do
you think, as guys that were on the Bachelorette that
guys in general have way more chill than girls? I
just picture myself in that situation, and I would just
run out of the house screaming like a maniac, Get
me out of here. You just gave me the craziest

(40:32):
So are you saying, okay, Nick and Amy, are you
saying you believe guys have more chill? Wait? Wait, it
just depends. I mean there's been plenty of guy breakdowns
and season. Yeah, I was there for that where any
of your guys, like Ben, you just took all the
time with this. It happens every season, every single season,

(40:53):
and it blows my mind that people are every single season. Yeah,
I just cannot imagine guys being like that. Yeah, I
mean I just turned into some of the biggest women
in that show. Well, I mean I go back to
when Nick came on. So we for the first four
weeks of The Bachelor during Caitlin season, the guys that
we didn't go along with kind of all went home
pretty early, and so we never had that contention or
that those arguments existing. So when Nick came on, it

(41:16):
was a huge it really stirred the pot. We all
had this kind of close knit friendship. I think he
felt it. We can ask him. He sitting next to me. Um,
he he comes on and anytime he interrupted, he kind
of became the guy that was the interrupter. And a
couple of guys that's the thing. Fair in your opinion,
but from like the Josh Alberts of the world, who

(41:36):
was on Caitlyn season with us, he was one of
those guys that got very upset with you interrupted me.
I didn't interrupt, Josh. Well, we need to break this
down a little bit. It sounds like we haven't figured
this one out yet, but it's true. If that happens
every year, it's it's gonna happen. Um, did you did
you ever on Caitlyn season. There's a difference interrupting and

(41:57):
then going right because every every time they're like, all right, hey,
I want to talk to so and so, especially early on,
they're like, all right, well she's in that room talking
to someone. Go in there, right, And I know I'm
assuming at some point you went and grabbed Caitlin while
she was talking to a guy. Now, of course, now
they just some Again. I've always said that they choose
this air some things and then choose the air not right, right,

(42:19):
and so like that happens. In fact, that almost happens.
Every single conversation is almost always ended by someone else
coming in because I'm thinking about it. In real life,
we're all at a party, right, and like, some girls
want to talk to Nick. It's not like they're going
to ask each other if you had some time with Nick,
because I have. But it's it's the people who go
like it's the people who go like two or three

(42:41):
times in a night. There's a that's but at a
real party, in a real life this is supposed to
be real life, right, So at a real life party,
you just go and talk to who you want to
talk to when you want to talk to them. There's
no like list and I haven't had my time. It's like,
so this is supposed to be real life, and I
guess Crystal can do whatever she wants, But isn't real life,
and we're not go like if you saw a guy

(43:03):
and a girl talking and either they were hitting it
off or you don't even know if the in a relationship,
you're not gonna walk up and be like hey, like listen,
I just borrow this dude for a second, like that's
not gonna happen. So well, that does not compare this
to real life, because it's not. Um No, it's real
life for me, Nick, I had to relive the most
Google breakup of It's a real it's a real Like

(43:25):
I've said this before, it's very real and a very
unrealistic environment. It's not a realistic environment, you know, but
everything on that in that world is real. These are
real freakouts, These are really like real feelings, These are
real conversations in an incredibly unrealistic situation. Because we have
the opportunity to have Nick in studio, I want to

(43:46):
take a little time here too, honestly, earnestly and the
best of our ability break down aries bachelor performance so
so far, Okay, if you want to call it a performance, um,
I don't know what else to call it. So if
you have a better word for it, please right in
and tell me. But Ari is earnestly trying to find love.

(44:08):
We've we've said that. I believe he cares a lot
about the woman involved, he cares a lot about the process,
um Nick, so far, after watching Ari, what do you
think his intrigue and appeal is like what the women
seem very into him. Um, I feel like the country
is going to start falling in love with this guy

(44:29):
because they really want to see him successful. I mean
that's the question I'm asking you. But what why would
they want to find? Why would they want to see that?
Like what intrigues them by about Ari? I mean, he's
a good looking guy and I met him once. He's
been very nice. Um. I mean so far this season
has been kind of it's interesting because he hasn't been

(44:51):
on in a while, and I feel like it's almost
slightly more reminiscent of like past seasons. Um, it's old school. Yeah,
I mean listen, not everything like I say this, um sarcastically.
And I wasn't thrilled with it when it happened, but like,
not every Batcher can be as lucky or unlucky in

(45:12):
terms of good TV of having someone they you know,
met at a wedding on episode one to create immediate drama. Um.
You know, I wasn't thrilled with it, but certainly it
made things, you know, interesting for viewers. Um. And so
it's kind of again. I just found it really interesting
that they started with two one on ones. It was like,
you know, like you know, usually the you know, you

(45:33):
get a little drama early on. I mean, Ari doesn't
seem like he's going to take a ton of risks. Um,
are you scared? I mean, are you scared for Ari
at all? Because he won't take those risks not necessarily?
I mean, you know, again, Ben and I you have
talked about it's it's hard for me to be critical

(45:53):
of of Ari or any other batch or just because
it's so hard to be the lead and there's so
many things we don't know, invariables, and it's it's easy
to nitpick, like you know, the way they answered questions,
so much of of what's talked about isn't aired, you know. Um,
so it's hard to me for me to be overly critical. Um,

(46:16):
you know, he's just kind of he's just kind of
going through it. I just don't My guess is this
season is we're going to get all most of our
entertainment from the women, and I don't think we're gonna
get a ton from Ari. I mean that's kind of
that's somewhat truthful in every season, uh is because they
just don't allow that, you know. Um, and so I

(46:40):
think that might be just even more heightened on this
season because I just got the impression that Ari, we'll
just kind of you know, and I think that's well,
I think that's why, in all honesty, I was so
excited for your season, because you were the first person
in a while that I thought had the confidence, knew
themselves the most, and and cared enough about the process
to take those risks. I mean, I I was, I

(47:02):
kind of did whatever. They just you know, they again
don't show a lot and you know, I I there
were conversations I had that I wanted to get aired
because it showed me having more of an opinion and
things like that. But like again, I don't get to
choose what they show or don't show. Obviously you had
like the drama with Liz early on, and you know,
the I was willing to take a risk on taking

(47:24):
Karen far I knew I wasn't get criticist for it,
but I had my reasons. You know, everyone wanted to
meet the nanny and she was cool, um, and so
you know, um, but yeah, it's it's it's tough to
to criticize. I mean, I will say, you know, we
talked about this before. Like, I do believe Ari is Sincerian,
is pursued for love. I think every single lead wants

(47:47):
it like and people are like, oh, like, you don't
become the lead with the pressure of knowing that everyone
who watched the show expects you to fall forward and
not want it like it's terrifying. I mean, I was
terrified that it wouldn't work out for me. I desperately
wanted it to work out. Um, you know, and so
I definitely believe he's sincere in that. Um. I mean

(48:08):
I don't. I think you make a good point there.
I don't think Chris or the show would have a
lead who they didn't believe really wanted to find somebody
because that could blow that could blow this whole show up.
And so I think every lead we have to expect, hey,
they really care. I think Ari uh cared, maybe so

(48:29):
much because he feels like this is maybe his last chance.
Not and it's not. We know that, but I think
the pressure of all this felt like that to him.
I don't know about that. I mean again, I don't
think I think if if Ari didn't become the Bachelor,
I think he'd be fine. I don't think anyone becomes
the batchler because they think this is there they'll never
find love in the real world. That's I think he feels.

(48:49):
Once you get asked to be the lead, there's just
an immense amount of pressure on the expectation of what
that is. And I think, you know, the show took
a risk asking r to be the Bachelor, and there's
immense amount of pressure UM on that. And I think
and so if nothing else, Yeah, like listen, if it's
an opportunity to meet someone, and I think Al takes

(49:10):
it very seriously, and I he wants it to work out,
like every lead does. Um. I don't know if he
wants it more or less than any lead before him.
And I don't know if it's has anything other than
to do with that's the world he agreed to be
a part of and that's the expectation of the show. UM.
I don't think that in any way makes it insincere. UM.
And I you know, yeah, I mean you're not wrong there.

(49:33):
I think you're actually spot on. I realized last night
watching the episode that Ari was not one that was
going to take many risks. And do you do you
want to know why? Why's that? Because on his one
on one day with Crystal. They went back to Scottsdale
and they visited his apartment, and as they walked into
his apartment, they walked through his closet, and his closet,
if you paid close attention, was completely from shoes to

(49:54):
helmets to his shirts color coded. I mean, I'm not kidding,
you need to watches back. Everything was color coded, which
tells me one of two things. He has a dark side,
or the man knows what ye or the man knows
what he wants and he knows how to represent his wardrobe.

(50:16):
I actually have my closet color color coded, so I
cannot you know which is a lot of cardigans apparently
dresses like Mr Rogers me or him? Alright, he does know.
I wondered that too. His his wordrobe is not risque
in itself, so I wanted to bring that up. I
did notice his his closet was color coded. What one
situation is the bachelor that I never knew how to

(50:37):
do well. I don't know if anybody knows how to
do it well. But it also really affected me and
and my experience was this this the breakups, the saying goodbyes,
the moments where you have to give no explanation, but
you're asking somebody to leave. Tonight, we saw Ari at
the roast ceremony say goodbye to somebody. She walks out,

(51:01):
no hug, no goodbye, No, hey, this has been great.
She walks out and wants an explanation, and are are
all ri you can do is try to hug her,
which was awkward in itself and are probably not a
great decision there, But hey again, what do you do?
How do you recommend any bachelor bachelorrette saying goodbye? And
and does Ari o her an explanation? I thought I

(51:24):
thought that was a great TV moment um. It was
a classic case of you can't fire me. I quit
because she was like, well, I don't even like I'm
not even upset about you. I just don't want to
have friends here and I have friends here, which is
probably true, but like she just felt the need to
say that. I give ari a lot of credit because
like that is you think you said it best. It's
an incredibly awkward situation, and so you're just so used

(51:48):
to people kind of like quote unquote doing what they're
supposed to do, and just like I'm gonna give you
an instance here hug and say thank you and wish
you the best of luck and you're gonna leave, but
she didn't. And it's just like in that moment, already
has this side what do I do? Which like there's
no playbook and and you know, I we I think
we'd all like to think we would do the same thing,
but like I don't know, it could just be like

(52:09):
this awkward. Like I don't know, do I make it
worse by going over? So I give Area a lot
of credit by going and making an attempt, and you know,
whether you try to hugg her or whatever, like I don't,
that's not on Ari, that's it's just like you said,
it's very awkward situation. She thought had andoed herself terribly
showed in an immends amount of immature a charity, uh,
And like I thought it was really telling that she was,
like I've never been broke up with before, and like,

(52:31):
clearly I don't know how all this girl is, but
I'm guessing she's incredibly young and very immature and has
a lot of growing up to do and for future,
for future cast members, I think it's important to remember
that at most people don't get a lot of memorable
moments or air times. But your most memorable moment is
always going to be unless you get engaged, when you
get dumped, and it has a chance to be either

(52:52):
a great moment or a bad moment. I've you know,
kind of you could argue, but on the best side
of both moments. I mean, but yes, she clearly didn't
show any type of maturity or gracefulness and in her
breakup and uh if for for people go on when
you get dumped, you know, that's your moment to shine
and shows show something that that's it. I mean, that's um.

(53:14):
She didn't handle her stuff very well, which it was
fun to watch. You know. The goodbye is always hard
in the Bachelor because there isn't a lot of explanation.
There's not a lot of lead up to it. Pretty
much for the most part, you're saying goodbye for whatever reasons,
and you just hope that there's an understanding that, hey,
this show has thirty people on it, I'm only gonna

(53:35):
hopefully end up with one. There's gonna be a lot
of goodbyes. I don't want to say goodbye either. This
isn't the fun part for me or the lead. Please
make this as easy as possible, and if you want
an explanation, maybe reach out later. But that moment, like
you said, is is is your your shining moment. You
know what, Be cordial, say your goodbyes, keep your head

(53:57):
held high. You're you're gonna be fine, You're you're gonna
be okay. Well, let's let's be honest, like at this point,
Ari doesn't know any of these women. He knows Becca
a little bit because he went on on a one
on one day with there, he knows Crystal a little
bit because, but other than that, he doesn't really know
any of them yet. The hardest part about being the
batchelor sometimes is um, like you're always gonna be drawn

(54:18):
to a handful of women and just it's just natural,
and it's you try to be open to get to
know the rest of the women, but it's harder to do.
And women are intuitive and smart and they pick up
on that um and you know, so they they're they're
kind of faking it too in terms of their level
of interest for the lead until they get broken up

(54:38):
with and they're like, well, I don't even like them,
and then they go home and they get on a
group chat with all their other you know, early exit
friends and like just talk crap about you know, Ari
and and and all the girls who are still there.
Like it happens every season. Um, there's always an immediate
group chatte I mean for my season, one of the
breakups that stood out to me the most was when

(55:00):
were in bar Uh, this beautiful young lady from Oklahoma
said goodbye. She just wanted to leave, she wanted to
go home. It wasn't for it's a power move. But
it also affected me because that was weak, I think
two and I was questioning myself not at that point,
is this gonna happen to me over and over and
over again? Is this is this? Is this gonna be
a constant this season? Yeah, luckily that didn't happen to me.

(55:23):
But yeah, because you're you're told it doesn't mean anything.
It just means that maybe they that's maybe just I'm
sure there are plenty of girls who are like, he
doesn't even like me, but I hate him, you know
who knows, right, But like that's the show is like
you're told that you're the guy or the man, and
everyone's there is like I can't believe it's you and
you're so great And then like and that was when
someone leaves. I mean, like that would just mess with

(55:45):
your psyche. Um you handle yourself well, then thank you
having a power moved by that Lauren girl, like you know,
who is this? Like who sincirely was like I'm out,
I'm out from this dude that I'm gone listen. But
also like you probably weren't giving her any time and
she probably knew it and she beat you to the punch.
That's all. Yeah, I think for the exit where she's

(56:06):
she told Ari, Hey, I have a lot of friends here,
I'm not that upset about you. In a sense is
a power move as well, and so we got to
give her a little credit. I don't think so credit.
That was just like you can't fire me, I quit
so so Nick, good for you to finish this up. Then,
on a scale of one to ten, how is ari

(56:28):
as the bachelor so far? I don't know. I don't
feel that was so weak. I think you don't feel
like making headlines? What else would you invite you on
the podcast with you and rumor willis while we're at it?
Friend just everybody was talking about it because you posted
a photo with it. Yeah, she's just a good friend.
I mean not just she's a great friend, she's awesome.

(56:50):
You walked into that season. I gave you a one
to ten. All you have to do is give give
a positive number. Instead, Amy just crushes you with, Hey,
what's this gossip of about? Oh? I got way more
secrets than that. All right, So Nick, we want to
go into one of our favorite segments, and that is
taking reading emails from our listeners. But before you do,

(57:12):
I want you to give me right now, who's your
top choice of cast members on the Bachelor and who
is someone on the batchelor right now that gives you hesitancy.
I don't know about hesitancy. I'll start with but listen,
it's fun to watch the women who are creating good TV.
I mean, I don't know if they give me hesitancy.
You know, uh, I don't think Lauria Ari's gonna end

(57:35):
up with Crystal. Who's the other who's the young lady,
who's a mother? Who? You know? I think it's gonna
be an entertaining show because, like you have in this week,
you have a lot of personalities, a lot of women who,
like you know, Chelsea, you watch episode one, You're like, oh,
here's your villain, and then all of a sudden Episode two,
you got Crystal and you're like, oh, here's another villain.
You know, then you have no chill freaking out, and

(57:57):
then you said you have some other other moments. So
I think it's going to be interesting. None of these women,
I think really are probably gonna win or capture are
his heart. But who knows. Um, I don't know. If
they give me hesitancy. I hope there's more of it.
I hope they stick around for a while. Um. In
terms of you know, Becca, both Becca's, I mean I think, um,

(58:20):
the Becca who had the one on one day, she
just seems like, you know, someone who again she has
has some confidence, she seems mature. They seem to hit
it off. You know. Again, we've already talked about her
sticking around. I think we are on the same page
that the other Becca. Um, well, you know, it's too
young and will be kind of the her fate. But
to me, she's easily she's the only one who really

(58:40):
stands out. I mean, she's you know, and you know,
I don't think that means either Ben and I want
to you know, meet Becca in that sense, but well
there you mean you're you're fairly age appropriate. Um. But
she's to me the only one who really stands out
in terms of I think in Yeah, the rest I'm

(59:01):
not don't. I can't really remember, I'm sure. More it's
early on, so it's hard to have anyone stand out.
So again, it's I think it says more about Becca
standing out this early on, um, just because she clearly
has something going for in that sense, and she's probably
just been that type of person who's always stood out. Um.

(59:21):
And you know, I think as as the season progresses
will have we'll get introduced to more women and more
personalities and their stories and and things like that. All Right,
So I want to give my top girls Number one.
C n She's she's an Ivy League grad, she got
the group they rose, She's been a little quiet so far.
I find her absolutely beautiful and very very intriguing. Um.

(59:43):
I'm gonna go in order, so I have a top
five here. Uh. Next is one that I don't know. Guys.
Nick doesn't want to create headlines, but I might have to. Um,
I think this tea girl is something special. Which one
she's guys, you're really crushing my moment. Raven's friend. The
one who arm tattoo. Yeah, she's very very interesting, funny, Uh, beautiful.

(01:00:10):
I don't know she she might have a future. Yeah,
let's not forget the original Becca. I'm moving on. Yeah, Brittany, Brittany,
the one from last week that I thought maybe went home.
There must have been another Brittany that went home. Brittany
is great, Marie owns the restaurant. Uh, stunningly beautiful. Here's

(01:00:32):
one for you. No chill, Bibiana. I mean that girl,
she's got something special. I know she's she's aggressive, I
know she's fierce. I'm not saying it's bad, she just no.
But I watched her, and I say, girl, you get
it like you just keep causing drama and I'm gonna
keep watching. You should have been the Bachelor yet. Um? Yeah,

(01:00:52):
the original Becca obviously, uh is one of a kind.
Original one on one Um. Yeah, one on one Becca,
call her their original? Yeah, the original the top dog. Um.
And then here's the ones that give me hesitancy and
and I mean hesitancy in the in the sense of
I'm a little bit like it's early on. We don't
know them fully. We've liked them at times, maybe I

(01:01:13):
haven't And I'm a little nervous. Chelsea, the mom I
thought had Episode two was one that I go, Okay,
I can see it now she's she's great. She was
nervous night one because she didn't want to tell her
she had a kid. Now that she said that, we're
gonna start to see her real personality and I think
she might shine. But she still gives me hesitancy. Uh
mickel Um, you know obviously just we didn't see a
lot from her week two. She she was the one

(01:01:37):
that drove up in in the fancy car on night one,
flipped her hair around a little bit. Yeah. She She
was in the news this week apologizing for um a
picture she posts on Instagram years ago. So yeah, Mickelson,
it was appropriately racist. Yeah so what she yeah? Um?

(01:02:00):
And then we have Crystal. Crystal was one that I
know we talked about a little bit ago. There's just
something different there And I don't know why she won't
just be friendly and day ari and chill a little bit.
I actually will call her my no chill number two. Um,
she's just vocal fry. So that's that's that's why I
got top CNTA, Brittany Marieke and Bibbie, Anna and then

(01:02:24):
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some listener emails. I want to start here with one

(01:04:29):
called suspicious in Seattle, says so amped watch our season,
hoping the womanizer rumors would be put to rest. Well.
To my surprise, are tagged the young woman on his
Snapchat story in New York City between on New Year's Eve.
Between his and her Instagram, there were multiple pictures of
them spending time together in on New Year's Eve in

(01:04:49):
New York City. One of hers was even captured calling
him daddy. Oh jeez. Anyways, who is this a Bachelor handler,
a friend, a date? I need to know? Is he
really a change man? Or is this a sign that
his venture didn't end with love. I figured if anyone
can get to the bottom of it, it would be
producer Amy, producer, what do you think? What's yeah? I

(01:05:13):
recognized the girl as somebody like a producer or something. Yeah,
she's a producer on the she's a producer on the show. Um.
Oh yeah. They were there in New York City for
New Year's Eve. Nothing because he was there for work
promoting The Bachelor. He was on Good Morning America the
next day. She was there with him. Of course she's
going to go and be his friend and hang out
during that evening. It was nothing. It's a hand it's
a handler producer from the show. Uh, they were just

(01:05:35):
having a good time. Don't look too much into it. Okay,
here's one from Skyler, Ben and Nick. For the past
few seasons, the bachelors always seemed to give the first
impression rows to the women who don't get along with
the other girls, the ones who are aggressive, out spoken
in know what they want with the acceptance. With the
exception of Sean and Nick, wand Pablo gave it to Charlene, Krista,
britt Bend Olivia and now Ari to Chelsea. It makes

(01:05:57):
me wonder to producers recommend who to give the rose too.
And then bachelrettes seem to have a very good sense
of the men in the beginning, with the exception of
Andy and Desiree, who both gave it to the runner ups.
Caitlin give it to Sean, Jojo to Jordan, and Rachel
to Brian. Just interesting, just an interesting observation. Would like
to hear from you guys, thoughts on why this is well.

(01:06:19):
First off, it's very clear Skyler, women are more intuitive
than men. That's just true. So of course they're going
to give it to the right people. And of course
we're gonna give you the wrong gave mine to Rachel.
That's not a bad call, I mean no, So to
answer the question here, uh, and I'll answer for Nick.
And I know the producers don't recommend. They can't recommend. Obviously,

(01:06:39):
we don't know these women fully, we know what we've seen,
and I think, as we talked about on last week's podcast,
women that are a little more outspoken, a little more
forward on Night one definitely come off as somebody more
invested into the experience. And so I think our poll
as the Bachelor is going to be okay. That women's
woman seems to be here for the right reasons, and
as a result, I want to make sure to invest

(01:07:01):
in this relationship and to let her know that I care. Um, Bachelor,
that's just a really smart I don't know. Yeah, they've
made some really good decisions now I read this email back.
There's also like different reasons why people might give out
the first impression ros you know, elite a leader could
give it to someone who finds intriguing, but they're not
even sure if if they could easily be more into

(01:07:22):
other people and give someone else the first impression rolls,
advice you know, or you know, and some people could
literally just say that this is the person I like
the most, you know, I mean, that's why I'm watching
the show is you're watching the whole story play out,
so from night one on who he's into first or
who she's into first, to the very end when we
get the final conclusion the show. That's why we watched this.

(01:07:42):
Perfect decisions won't always exist, but the bleed tries I
would assume very hard. Nick on with the next email,
I think it's from Elizabeth. From Elizabeth, Hey, Ben and Nick.
Have you all seen what the ladies who got sent
home night one from our season have created? See at
the Rose Girls or at the Underscore Rose Girls on Instagram.

(01:08:06):
They also have a YouTube channel. Really well, I haven't
fully investigated because I was too stunned and have to
check in immediately and we see if all you If
y'all new, and hope you could share your thoughts on
the next podcast. The fact that the ladies sent home
night one can now ride the fame train is unreal
to me. This is adding a whole new element to

(01:08:26):
the social experiment that is The Bachelor. How do you
think this will affect the show in casting? In the future.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts in talents in broadcasting, journalism, podcasting, blogging, etcetera, etcetera.
With the world best allies. Um, I don't think this
is anything new. I think it's just more of the same.
It's I think it's it's it's typical. Every every person

(01:08:49):
who goes on the show. Um, I think more than anything,
is open to love but excited about this new experience.
It doesn't mean they're only going to be famous. It
just means they're going on for this thing. And the
people who get sent home early on, especially at one,
are it's hard. It's it's it's certainly their egos that
are certainly shot down. Um, you listen, it's it's silly.

(01:09:11):
Yes and no, they're not going to ride the fame
train because they have known none and no one cares
about it. Almost yeah, they're not even they're not remotely famous,
and certainly comes across as a little thirsty and you know, lame,
But there's there's some solidarity. I think they're just there's
just hope and maybe strength and numbers. It's just like
whatever I mean, not to be too like, you know,

(01:09:32):
not to be overly critical, like I think there's just
a lot of disappointment, and yeah, they're trying to make
the most of it. I don't think it is going
to affect casting. This isn't the first time. Um, the
women who got sent home early like tried to make
the most of their experience. The man. I remember a
hashtag that was the Rose Boys. It's not yeah, exclusive
with the women anyway. They're like, you're gonna find people

(01:09:56):
who go home early go going on as many podcasts
as they can possibly go on. I don't even cares,
just like, we'll go, you know, because they're just trying
to maximize their time, of which they didn't. They probably
went into the show with a lot of hopes and
dreams that you immediately got crushed. So I'm not, you know,
judging it's not gonna go anywhere. It's It's typical. It
happens every single series. I would just I mean, my one,

(01:10:18):
my one if I can give my advice, would be
I agree, it doesn't. It's not uncommon. However, they spent
a lot of money on some videos. I watched these
videos when I saw this email, and I watched the
videos back. There's there's some high production value in them,
so I'm worried that they've all invested a lot of
money and and they're hoping to get a return out
of it. I would just advise anybody, Hey, don't go
on the show because you think you're gonna you're gonna

(01:10:40):
get famous from it. It happens very rarely, if at all.
The luck involved. There's a lot of luck involved. There's
a lot of being in the right place at the
right time. Just do it because it's a cool experience,
but don't go into it thinking this is gonna change
your life. I've said it many times on this podcast.
The best advice I has ever given was do this
whole experience to enhance the left you already had. Not

(01:11:00):
change your life completely. Uh, if you weren't making YouTube
videos before, I wouldn't recommend doing it because of the show. Nick.
I think we have one more email for either from tests. Hi.
I'm twenty seven years old and perpetually single. I do
my best to say positive and understand that timing is everything.
Everything happens for a reason. To disagree with that, UM,

(01:11:21):
know yourself first. Each year I get older, the more
the fear of being alone presses on me, like not
finding someone who is a real thing without settling. What
advice do you have for myself and others like me
who are feeling discouraged? Thank you for reading and keep
doing what you're doing. Tests well tests. Uh, you're only
twenty seven, So first and foremost, I know a couple

(01:11:43):
of things that I kind of say. I get that
you feel old because today is the oldest you've ever been,
But you're only um, so when you're thirty five, you'll
look back and think how young felt Um. So you're
not that old, so you'll be fine. Um. Second of all, yeah,
I mean listen. I also say one thing that people

(01:12:04):
forget when when they have relationships don't work out is
that if you're really, really really lucky. Uh. And I
think Alm stole us in from me in this book.
He got this from me. But if you're really really lucky,
at most, you'll only have one relationship your life that
doesn't fail. One. That's the most. It's the most possible.
Unless you know someone dies, it's not necessarily a failure,

(01:12:25):
and you meet someone else, but that's it. You can
only have one. So the fact that you're twenty seven
and you you haven't found that one yet, it's not
that big of a deal and in a good way.
So just keep doing what you're doing. It eventually happened. Um,
don't stress about it's probably the worst thing you can do.
And um, you know, enjoy being twenty seven, have some fun,
make some bad choices, and then you know, when you're

(01:12:46):
thirty years old, you know he'll come come running. You know.
The book that Nick dis reverenced to is Buy a
Long Gael. It's called You're Not That Great, great book.
And but neither is anyone else along as a producer
on The Bachelor, and he is also one of the
people that will usually sit there and there's one on
one interviews and and dive to the heart of your
fears and your insecurities. Go check out his book. Um,

(01:13:09):
but I would agree. I just want to add to
that is let's start accepting singleness and saying there's actually
a lot of benefit to it. Um, you get to
explore who you are better, You get a lot of
time to process and think. Uh, your schedule is pretty
much your own without a few you know, side activities.
Singleness can be a very positive experience. And don't waste

(01:13:33):
this time or this season of singleness because you're hoping
for a relationship, I would. I just think that's something
I'm learning right now too, is be in the present moment,
focus on where you're at now, become the person that
you need to be for yourself so you can be
that person for somebody else later. And don't don't compare

(01:13:55):
yourself to others. I mean, I don't know if if
tests you know, has a circle of friends is where
they're all married and having kids already, And so even
though she's only twenty seven and relatively young, she feels
a lot older because everyone else is at different stages
in their life and that can happen. And if that
is the case, um, get more friends. Um you know, yeah,

(01:14:15):
and that's that's kind of the journey of life and
it's just between to learn about yourself. But I think
it's just important not to stress yourself out. And um
uses an opportunity to you know, and not maybe find
new friends, but like it is an opportunity to take
advantage of, like Ben said, of of being single and
have new adventures because even though maybe you want to

(01:14:36):
get married and have a kid, you'll be the one
person who's like your friends live vicariously through you because
You're doing all this fun, single and exciting things and
they're like not um, not to you know, discourage that. Yeah,
grass is always greener. Is something that I think our
generation uh needs to deal with and see that the
shiny new thing isn't always the best thing, but we're

(01:14:57):
always gonna want the shiny new thing. Hey, we'll one
last email. This one is really interesting to me, and
I think Nick and I we got to prepare for
a little tough love. I'm gonna read it here. It's
from Jessica. I've been in a relationship for three years
with a man who I love. The relationship is, for
the most part great. For the most part, it's a
relationship I've been I've dreamt up, except that about a

(01:15:18):
year into our relationship, my friend discovered him on Plenty
of Fish, which is a dating app, and Ashley Madison
trying to find other girls. I was devastated. I planned
to break up with him. He begged me not to
when I confronted him and promised me he would never
cheat and that he will never go on another dating site.
At that time, we're in a long distant relationship and

(01:15:39):
I found out I was moving the same city as him,
so I chalked the whole thing up too. We were
only together on weekends, so it would be different now
that we're in the same city. Fast forward four months later,
I snooped through his email and found that he had
signed up for another dating site. He said his account
was hacked. Fast forward another nine months after this, and
I snooped through his phone and he had good old

(01:16:00):
Best hookup site, and then he was looking for hookups
on Craiglist and plenty of Fish. I love him so much,
of course you do. The thought of breaking up is
so sad. I'd like to mention that he's literally treats
me like a queen. And I don't think he's actually
cheating because we were so we're together so often. I
don't think he could. But I wonder if he's addicted

(01:16:21):
to seeing what else is out there. Should I end this?
Please help? Can I can Nick take this away? Be honest,
because I think this email requires honesty, Jessica. If I
were to sum up my advice into one word, it
would be run um, listen, listen, We've all been there.

(01:16:43):
No judgment. I get where you're coming from. I think
your ego is messing with you. A little bit. Um,
this guy is a terrible human being. She's been with
him for a long time. It sounds like he checks
a lot of the boxes of things that she wants,
And there's probably a lot of great things about the relationship,
but she's right now deciding to ignore a lot of
the terrible things. And maybe there's a lot of fears

(01:17:04):
of like, you know, the fear of being single, like
the fear of admitting to yourself this is not the
perfect relationship that you you thought it was. Um, there's
some things with your ego in terms of I don't
think he's capable of cheating on me. Of course, he's
capable of cheating on you, like everyone, Like everyone is
capable of being cheated on. No one's so great or
special that you know someone wouldn't possibly cheat on them.

(01:17:25):
It's it's happened to the best of us. Um, so
I think just it's tough to admit that to yourself. Um. Yeah,
it was a long distance relationship. This guy is aggressively
trying to meet other women, and you're just his side girl,
to be honest, jess U and Um, you're his comfort,
you're his Netflix and chill. You're the girl he gets

(01:17:47):
to go on the dates with and pretend like. There's
a lot of guys out there who like I don't
get it. It's too much effort. Why guys will have
relationship and and still like date other women Because it's
too hard to make a success relationship work. Um, but
some guys do. And so you're his Netflix and Show person,
you know, the person who he does relationship things with,

(01:18:07):
and he gets to meet other women. UM. So this
is a toxic and terrible situation that you're in that
um I won't last. And if I can give you
any final thoughts of of hope, is that I can
promise you one thing I know, you won't end up
with this guy. You might make a terrible decision get engaged,
you might make an even worse terrible decision and get married,

(01:18:28):
And you might make an even worse terrible decision like
have a family with him. But eventually this relationship will end,
hopefully sooner than later. When it does end and time passes,
he will look back and be mad at yourself that
you weren't more honest with yourself about the reality of
the situation. And you will cry and laugh, but most importantly,
just be happy he's no longer in your life that much.

(01:18:49):
I can guarantee you that was beautiful, that was honest,
and that was that was And I think Jessica just
tad on the Nick is listen to to Nick. I mean,
I think that's coming from a place where we have
this on adulterated view of where this relationship is. We
have this view from from a very high level based
on an email. And what Nick is saying is don't

(01:19:12):
you can like and you can love somebody, But when
you see the signs like this, especially when they're this
um deep and dark and there could this consistent, it's
it's time to go, no matter how much it hurts.
So also listen to yourself. Give yourself some credit in
the sense that this advice for anyone at the moment
you feel then urge to check someone's messages, emails, text

(01:19:36):
or anything. The relationships over um because there's a reason
why you're doing it, and maybe they're not necessarily doing anything,
but there's something toxic about the relationship that's making you
do something that that that you're better than UM. So
listen to yourself. There's something a part of you is
telling you there's something wrong here. Your ego is telling
you that it's not you know, because your ego doesn't
want you to think that you can be in this

(01:19:58):
terrible relationship or be do by this asshole, our guy
or this jerk or whatever. Um. But listen to yourself,
because there is a part of you is telling you
the the the telling you the right thing to do,
the urge to to email and ask these questions. You
know the answer, and I think you just have to
have the courage and the guts to do their to
do the right thing. Hey, everybody, this has been an

(01:20:20):
incredible podcast. I want to thank Nick for coming in
and hanging out with us today. Yes please, uh what
what an awesome opportunity for us on this podcast to
have Nick in here to talk about the Bachelor, to
break down the Bachelor, because I think, just like Ari did,
Nick took this experience very seriously, was close to his heart,
and his life has been affected in and because of

(01:20:44):
the show. And so Nick, thank you for coming in
and you're sharing your heart with us and talking about
a show that you and I have both participated in. Also,
please keep those emails coming. We enjoy them, we need them. Uh.
I love reading through them. This is a fun segment
for us, so email us at Ben and Ashley at
I heart media dot com. I want to thank our sponsors,

(01:21:04):
Sleep Number, Litote and bio Clarity. Finally, ash will be
back next week and we'll break down episode three of
our season, which is actually season four, episode three for
this podcast. How crazy Will we ever leave you alone?
I don't think so. I hope we don't. Until then,
I've been been and you've been Nick. Hey. Thanks everybody.

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