February 25, 2020 • 61 mins
Chris Harrison is here as head in to the final weeks of Pilot Pete’s season and we still have no idea how it will end!
Chris answers some major questions. We discuss what Madison’s admission to Peter means for their relationship going forward.
Plus, Chris tells us if he’ll ever get married again. Ben has a huge surprise for an American Idol contestant! And a new segment with an OG begins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. Hey guys, it's Ashley. Ben is
on the road. He will be making an appearance at
the end of the episode, but right now, I think
it's just gonna be me and the best co host
I could possibly have to replace Ben. And Ben, you
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are not replaceable, Okay, it's that clear. You're not replaceable.
But like, if I had to pick another cost it
would be this guy. Chris Harrison is on the show today, yea.
And then we'll be calling My Bachelor in Paradise to
castmate Tenley molds on, I want the update on her relationship,
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her marriage, and then we have Ben coming on and
he's going to surprise a new girl on American Idol.
Her name is Meghan Fitten, and on the premiere episode
of American Idol on One Day, she talked about how
she loved American Idol, how she grew up with it,
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but her heart and soul is with Ben Higgins. Like
she's a huge fan of the Bachelor, and she spent
her American Idol audition package talking about Ben Higgins, so
that's really cool. So she thinks that she's calling in
to um to talk to like Ryan or something. I
think she's going to talk to Heart radio producers. Okay,
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so like I'm going to be that. My name is
Mark and I am an Ihart radio producer. Yeah, so
I'll pretend to be one of those. Yeah. So she
thinks she's calling in to talk to not Ben, and
then we're going to surprise her and be like, you're
actually on Ben's podcast. Here is This is gonna be
really fun. But you got away to the end of
the episode, which shouldn't be hard because we have Chris
Harrison on the line and he's not just the host
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of the Bachelor. He also is the host of Volcano
Live with Nick wallanda Um and ESPN's Stage Steele. He's
co hosting this on March fourth. We're going to talk
to him about this before we get into all the
Bachelor drama from the season. Hey, Chris, that's how you're doing.
I'm great. How are you awesome? It was good to
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see you at the Women Tell All the other night.
You made the special little visit. I was honored. It
was very fun to be up there. It's actually quite nervous.
Before I got up there, I was like having evading
these women's space. I'm like, it's not my times, is
not my hour, and they're gonna not like me because
of it. I thought you would enjoy it because for
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the first time, like nothing had to do with you.
You could just enjoy the moment and you you weren't
going to cry. It wasn't going to be a disaster
or just like a happy come visit us. So you
would think in my office, thank you, Yeah, you would
think that. I was like, oh no, see, usually I'm
here talking about myself and I can do that, but
I feel bad being here talking about them. Anyway, it
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was really fun and I enjoyed it. Let's talk about
this volcano lie that you're doing. Is this the guy
I was always walking around on the tight rope going
like across Niagara Falls and stuff. Yeah, I mean, if
you've grown up, you know, probably a little bit older
than you. The Welenda family are unbelievably famous, their legendary
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and it's not just Nick and his wife, it is generations.
It goes back. You know, three or four generations of
Wallnda's who are circus people and high wire acts and
just feats of amazing stuff. Um and so Nick Wilenda
is kind of the latest of the Wilenda's that does
crazy stuff. And you probably remember he did the crossing
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the Grand Canyon. Um, he went across Niagara Falls. His
latest big one was going across Times Square UM from
a couple of buildings. And so now his newest idea
was I'm gonna go the furthest and highest I've ever
been across a live active volcano in Nicaragua. And as
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he called a good good friend of mine from Dick
Clark Productions who was at ABC and this is on ABC,
and they called, said, hey, would you want to come
to Nicaragua and cover a live event of Nick will
Linda walking over a live volcano? And I said, who
says no to that? And absolutely, it's it's it's in
the wall Linda Blood to be able to walk a
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tight rope. Yeah, I mean, it really is amazing if
you go back through the family, Um, it is generational.
And you know, I met Nick at this last ABC event,
this this Critics Association thing that you've probably been to
in the past, but um, I met him. And you know,
if you've ever seen like the movie Free Solo, and
you realized that guy is a little bit on the spectrum,
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and he's a little bit off and he's a little
bit different. I kind of expected Nick and his wife
who by the way, his wife also just as amazing
and does these crazy feats of daredevil status. And um,
I met him thinking, Okay, this guy is probably going
to be just a little bit off. And after talking
to him, I stopped. I said, look, I don't mean
to be rude. You're such a normal guy. You're a
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real dude. We're just talking sports and family and life,
and he goes, yeah, it's just it's in my blood, Chris.
I've been doing this since I was in the womb.
My mom did it, and my dad did it, and
my great grandfather did it, and but they just grew
up like this and it really is in their blood
and they've always done it. And it really is stunning
because I think they we kind of take it for granted,
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how easy they make it look. And it's sure as heck, isn't.
That's I will definitely be watching this on March fourth.
It's Wednesday on ABC. Does it start at eight o'clock?
I believe so? Yeah. I mean I'm gonna be in Nicaragua,
so I have no idea the timing of this, but
it is live on ABC, and my good friends Stage Deal,
who works at ESPN and we've worked together before doing
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Miss America and stuff like that. She was nice enough
to jump on board and join me. And it's going
to be wild. Um standing on because apparently we're worse.
Standing is going to be right on the edge of
this volcano and there is a live lava pool that
he'll be walking over like yeah, like literally there's a
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pool of lava below him with toxic fumes coming up
and wind and I mean it's and and when you
look at the wire that he's on, we're talking the
width of a couple of wine corks or bottle caps.
That's what he's walking on. That's wild. I know the
audience is gonna be like, okay, actually get to the bachelorstuff.
But one more but like one more question, how hot
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is that type of gonna be? And well, that's that
is a thing. I mean, you know they they are
also phenomenal engineers and he keeps this in the family.
His uncle is one of the engineers and served to
the military that puts these together. They're already down there
in Nicaragua putting this together. And um, that's part of
it too, is just the engineering that it takes to
keep this thing stable so he can make it across.
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And um, you know, not to be dramatic or you know,
kind of morose about this, his great grandfather died in
trying to walk across between these two hotels in Puerto Rico,
and there is video of it. It's and I've watched
and seen this and and he was you know, a
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little bit older and couldn't hold on and went down.
And you know, we all watched it on live TV
back in so it is a very real thing that
this could go horribly wrong. And and it's amazing that
he will put himself out there to do this. And
he doesn't have any sort of restraints. Well we're not
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sure about that actually. So when he did when he
when he did the Grand Canyon, Um, he was not tethered.
When he walked in New York, he had to be
tethered according to New York law. And you know, walking
across Times Square, things can obviously still go horribly wrong
even if you're tethered. This walk is still up in
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the air. He doesn't want to be tethered. He doesn't
like it. It actually throws him off a little bit. Um,
He's been doing it his whole life, untethered and just
nothing but that pole that they carry across. And so
it's still up in the air as if ABC is
going to allow this to happen. So we'll see Um
still up in here. He's fighting for it. We're all
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fighting for work, and that's what he wants to do.
All right, Well, you guys will have to watch it.
It's gonna be insane. And what's also going to be
insane is the rest of this Bachelor's season. Chris, I'm
going to kind of go through the episode with you
a little bit briefly. I'm not going to really break
down the episode with you, but there I'm gonna go
and down the line and talk to talk to you
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about stuff that I feel like only you could answer, Um, well,
are the girls all rooming together this top three? Well,
as you know, that is something very different. And I
was trying to think historically if we've ever done it
in eighteen years, and I don't think we have. Um,
although the show has changed and evolved in different ways,
I don't know if we've ever done that. But you know,
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you know as well, as anybody, we have to force
certain situations at times to force people into an uncomfortable
position or to face something that they need to face
and that they're not really staining up to. And this
was one of those situations where really centered around Madison Um.
She is saving herself for marriage, which is fantastic, wonderful
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if that's your choice. You may know something about that,
um And but it was this ultimatum, although she still
doesn't know it's an ultimatum because she says it's not,
and Peter even says it's not. But when you you know,
when you have, when you say if you do something,
this will be the repercussions of that, that is an ultimatum.
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So however you wanted to find it, it was an ultimatum.
So at any rate she gives Peter this ultimatum, and
she really hasn't come clean as to all of the
details of saving herself for marriage and the whole thing.
And this was a situation where I felt like we
needed as producers to force a conversation and force a
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situation that would bring about a resolution, because we're getting
way too far into this to still have something so
huge hanging over them that they're really not dealing with. Normally,
you guys don't use the word producer like you wouldn't.
You would very rarely say that's something that we produced.
So yeah, well, you know what what we do. And
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you know, Rachel and I, uh, because she was around
the other day too, we had this conversation because she
was a little skeptical, but she also understood. And she
was another one a particular batch thrette where I had
to really we had to force some situations and the
show and situations are produced, but not heavy handed in
a way where a lot of times you think, oh,
they're just doing this for drama, they're just doing this
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for TV. A lot of times it really is to force,
you know, a Nick Viale to really step up the
game and start making some decisions, to make Rachel really
face some fears, to make Madison and Peter really come
to terms with what they're really grappling with and maybe
they're kind of denying facing this situation. And so when
push comes to shove, we're going to shove and we're
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going to force this situation. And so, yeah, it was awkward,
and you know, maybe we'll never do it again. But
in this situation, it kind of had to be done, Okay.
I can respect that it was a slow coming out
process about it all. Like I would have thought that
when she pulls Peter aside after the Row ceremony and says, hey,
like I would have a hard time if you sleep
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with other people, or if you you know or other people,
if you sleep with anyone, and you just think the
fact that clearly this entire season was somewhat sexualized and
sex positive. I mean, the guy had, you know, very
much been announced as a guy who was in a
windmill with Hannah for you know, all night. So but
you would have thought that she would have told him
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she was a virgin at that moment. It was seemed
so weird that she left that out. It would have
been more meaningful, It would have made more sense why
she was giving that ultimatum. And that was a reason
one of the reasons we really allowed her to have
that time with him. And after a road summing again
that was pretty different as well. After that road summady
to allow just one girl to go talk to him
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and have that moment. But we thought, hey, she's gonna
come clean, She's gonna tell him she's a virgin or
and by the way, she doesn't even she's not even
comfortable with that word, which is up to you. I
guess um. She likes to say she's saving herself her
marriage as opposed to being a virgin, but it's again semantics.
But the point is she didn't come clean. She she
only gave him really enough information to fail. She never
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set him up to succeed. And that's kind of what
bothered us was he's not getting on the whole story
and he's being set up to fail here, and we
got to kind of step in and help him because
we're getting down to crunch time. Okay, Okay, that makes sense,
you know, And honestly, maybe it could have come out
even earlier. I mean, she knew that they had really
strong feelings and had a great connection and and she's
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such a wonderful woman. I really I And I want
to make it clear I don't have any problem, as
you very well know, the fact that she was saving
yourself a marriage. That's fine. I don't even mind the ultimatum.
I really don't. If you want to make your stance
clear and these are the morals you're standing on, that's
your prerogative. I have no problem with that. But if
you're not going to share that information with someone you
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care about in a timely fashion to where they can
use that information to help or succeed, then I don't know.
That's where it got a little murky and muddy for me.
Of course, I also totally respect the ultimatum. I've all,
I've been very open about being conservative about sex. How
do you feel this is any different from Luke p
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telling Hannah that he didn't want her sleeping with the
other guys last season. Well, this and you've gotta be
really careful this particular part of the equation, um, being
a virgin, saving yourself, wanting your significant other to kind
of follow along in this belief, I have no problem with,
and I think that it is identical to Loup p
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Um in that regard. Now, there were other things that
happened earlier in the season where I think Loup was
manipulative and maybe misogynistic, and that clouded everything that happened later. Um,
But I always said from the beginning, I have no
problem with Luke p and his stance on his religion,
his faith, and he is wanting, you know, the woman
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he's gonna fall in love with to follow certain guidelines.
I think there is a double standard. I think that
Madison will be treated completely differently, but maybe deservedly so
to a certain degree, because again Luke Pete did cloud
things early on with things he was saying and doing,
and he really drove everybody crazy. Madison's very beloved, she
was liked in the house. Um. But again I have
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I have no problem with either one of them having
these ultimatums, are having these strict guidelines that they live by.
That is your faith and that's your life. If it's
totally up to you. You can argue, what are you
doing on the Bachelor? What are you doing chasing a
guy like Peter who's clearly not that type of person. Um.
You know, there's a lot of those questions that maybe
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we could raise, But the actual act of standing by
your morals, you know, it really is a very similar
situation to Luke. It really was, and I know people
will maybe get a little upset with that, But I
think there's going to be a little bit of a
double standard. I agree completely going to be a double standard.
I will say that Luke made it seem like he
was slut shaming Hannah, like he was making her seem
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less of a person for it, and and Madison's more like,
these are my morals, Like I would appreciate it if
you were to like respect it. It's always about It's
always about optics, isn't it? And well, yes, it wasn't
it wasn't. I mean, Luke, p was a little misogynistic
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in like you said, there was the kind of slut shaming.
LL meant that it didn't look good at John just
saying the bottom line was I have no problem with
his faith. Madison was much more eloquent and articulate. But
then against she wasn't because her failure was she really
never came clean and she really never gave herself to
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Peter in that way that emotionally where he needed to
know the truth and to hear all this, and that
may have changed the entire direction of Peter's life and
the show. Of course, Madison's date this week was the
last overnight date. And you guys you brought producing before.
This is obviously a produced move. How do you feel
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about people saying that this season they feel the producing
more than others. Oh, I mean, I guess it's always
in the eye of the beholder and it's up to
vatter Nation and whatever you feel. Um, there isn't anything
more this season than we've ever done in the last
eighteen years. Is really not I'm obviously have intimate knowledge
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of all the decisions we make and what we do.
There's nothing more this season than prior seasons. You feel it,
You feel it. Do you think that the audience is
just trying to like they're just so invested and because
it's like such a pop culture thing right now to
like over analyze the episode like we have all these
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podcasts this one included dedicated to analyzing the episode for
almost as long as the length of the episode. Do
you think that it's that kind of culture that's making
people see like, okay, like this show is not at
all scripted, but they do put these people in certain positions. Actually,
I'm always amazed at the level of I guess passion
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and the detail and the things that people, you know,
they dive into this show and really break it down.
I see and hear things on social media sometimes and
I'll have to go back and actually watching a Wow,
did that really happen? You know, did we did we
miss that at it? Or did something get you know,
there's things that people will stop and go frame by frame,
and um, you know, there are times when an editor
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will put in a shot from from god knows when
and it won't match up to whatever we were doing.
And I mean, these people notice everything. And I love
the fact that it is such a pop culture phenomenon.
It's a part of our everyday life now and it
is easily by far the most socially relevant and socially
impactful show probably in the history of television. Definitely right now,
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but if you go back, I mean now, it's been
on for two decades and so you could argue in
the history of TV, I don't know if anything has
ever socially impacted our lives the way The Bachelor has
because it deals with such a such a topic that
we all we all relate to it because it's relationships,
it's love, it's sex, it's all these social issues. No
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other show taps into that. Um, you know, Danceel with
the Stars, No, not really at all. You know American
Idol Now, yeah, I was just going to say American
Idol was the only one that I could think was
like as much of a pop culture phenomenon. But you're right.
It doesn't deal with social phenomenon and it set records
in it changed television in a television way, but it
didn't change our lives. The Bachelor has bled into the
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way we date, the way we talk, the way we
give roses, I mean, the way we get married. There
it has bled into our real lives. And there are
shows we appreciate love and have fun with, but nothing
has affected our lives the way The Bachelor has. And
that is I find fascinating. Chris, You're making me feel
so cool. That was part of it. Thank you, and
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thank you for of course leading the whole things about
eighteen years How amazing. I know we got a little
off topic. I just want to run through the episode
real quick. Hannah An, I can't connect with her. Can
you explain why? Yeah? You know, I've heard people say
that you're one. One of the problems that they've had
with this season is it's hard to root for anybody
in a hard to really feel a connection with people.
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And you know, I think that Hannah and has not
had that. You know, maybe that was editing and and
we didn't do a good enough job of letting you
connect with these women because she is fantastic. She's a lovely,
lovely woman, and um, you know, I think that while
we can take some of the credit or blame for that,
I also think that you have to watch what's about
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to happen over the next few weeks because, as I
said today in a in an Instagram post, this show
really starts now. There's been a lot of ups and downs,
but I really feel of all seasons shings really begin
tonight and over the next couple of weeks as it unfolds,
you will see and I think you'll understand what I mean,
Like this show will do a one eight and I
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think you're really going to get a lot more vested
in these women. And I get maybe it's a little late,
but if you are still willing to dive in and watch,
which I know vacination will, I think you'll get it
all right. Well, then let's move on to the Tory
FS date. She has another moment where she she feels
like she's at a loss for words talking about her
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past relationships. What is it up with this girl? When
she when she like gets to the she has like
this roadblock. It's like whenever something is about to get
too emotional, she just cuts herself off. Do you think
that her past relationships are truly what what makes this happen?
If I could relate anybody to you, it would be
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victoria on some levels. And that you know, I remember
you vividly having a hard time really expressing your emotions
articulately and really putting those those feelings and tears and
all that stuff into words. And I think she has
a little bit of that um problem as well and
truly expressing herself. And it was maddening to watch at times,
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you know, as as Peter is trying to pull this
out of her because they do have a connection, but yeah,
it was maddening at times to watch them because you
just want to say, say words, please put them in
a sentence and make them meaningful, like just please give
us something, but you just couldn't do it. And she
was her own worst enemy. And I think, yeah, maybe
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his prior relationships, maybe it's her family, who knows what
it was in her past, but man, it's sure got
the best of her. I feel like I'm still that way. Um,
even when I get up lin Jared and I have
an argument, like I'll just cry and then I'll be
like I'm feeling like I know what I'm feeling, but
it's hard to take like what I'm feeling in my
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body and like put it into words. So I do
relate to her, and I do feel like I was
a more of a mix of Kelsey and Victoria throughout
the season. Well, I am a father of a sixteen
year old girl, as you know, my tailor, so I
too understand maybe and probably when people say what makes you,
you know, a good host and therapist and all that,
I said, well, I think, you know, being a dad
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to a teenage girl definitely helps, and you know, being
around this show for eighteen years, so I do see that.
I see the emotion in my own daughter at times,
and I'm like, okay, there's really no true explanation for
some of it. It's just a motion and you know,
there's no Hey, what are you trying to say right now?
Or tell me how why it's there is no why,
It's just a motion and it overtakes you sometimes. Exactly
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how is your girlfriend Lauren when she is upset? Is
she very vocal? I feel like she's very good at
articulating her feelings. She's pretty good at articulating. She's actually
maybe the best communicator I've ever been with, and she's
really good at that. Yeah, and we are both and
I think because we're both hosts and we're both so
analytical in that way that yeah, we're maybe we're too
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good at expressing ourselves sometimes maybe maybe some more mystery
needs to be involved. You guys have been together for
a year and a half. I know, isn't that crazy?
That is crazy? Do you It's really flown by. It's
really flown by. But I guess the when you know,
when you're happy and things are good, it flies by.
Last question about your personal life, would you get married again? Sure? Yeah,
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I'm I'm definitely not against it. Um, you know, I
did it, you know for a long time. I was
married the first time around for what seventeen or eighteen
years and had kids and it was more of the
traditional route. You know. My life as I'm older now
is a lot less traditional. Uh as far as the
need for marriage. You know, it's kind of like what
you and Jared are going through. It's you get married
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and you want to have babies, and it's kind of
that traditional route. Well, I've done that. I've already been there,
so I don't have that net desire to like, oh
my god, I gotta get married so I can have
babies and create this family. Now, I just want to
be happy. I want you know, people in my life
and including you know l Z and people that surround
me that just make me happy and that I love dearly.
And so if that leads to marriage someday, great, It's
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just you know, it's not the goal and it's not
the end all be all it used to be when
I was years old. All right, can you tell everybody
about your tropical rose. It's got past fruit, dragon fruit,
and rose flavors, and it sounds like it's going to
be the new drink of paradise and the official drink
of everybody's Bachelor Watch parties on Monday. And also included
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are the tears of Ashley. I thank you. That's really
the secret ingredient. I couldn't announce it until now, but
it's it is touch of rose, passion fruit, dragon fruit,
and tears of Ashley. Oh my goodness, is there a
Kelsey variety that would be amazing? Um? Now, this is
actually something I've been working on for about a year
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with Seagram's Escapes, and this amazing collaboration. I went to Chicago,
created the taste myself and went through it, created the
packaging and the look and the color, and it is awesome.
And it's finally hitting the store shelves now and it
will continue to roll out, uh kind of over the
next month where it'll hit all of the big stores
across the country. But I am so fired up. It
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is so good and the best part about it every
everyone I'm giving it to that have tasted it. That's
the first thing. I'm like, Wow, I really love this. Okay,
and it's only a hundred calories. I know, it's such
a low calorie drink. That's amazing. And I would be
so surprised if Roses in Rose, you know Lauren Zima's
et recap doesn't become Roses in Tropical Rose. I don't
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want to have a spoiler alert, but you may or
may not see this on this week's Roses and Rose. Okay, amazing,
So we'll be looking at We'll be looking out for
your face which is on the box at the grocery store,
at the liquor store to get our tropical Rose. Yeah.
I know these these drinks are so popular right now,
but I'm telling you I've tried them all and the
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one we created is unbelievable. I think people are gonna
love it. I know you said tastes like my tears,
but does it also taste like paradise? It does taste
a little bit like paradise. I think it goes perfect
with your favorite Monday night shell for sure. Okay, I'm
not done asking you questions about your relationship. How did
you go from her interviewing you, because she's just like
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the bachelor beat reporter there at e t to dating,
Like where did that crossover? Did you ask her out?
We did well, kind of yes and know everything, you know,
there was a little you know, I was when I
do interviews and maybe just like you do, you just
kind of go blank and you just put a wall
up and you're just doing a job. And so I
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had never really actually noticed her for the couple of
years she had been interviewing me. But there was one
time when we had this great conversation. It was actually
during the Tell All Angles Becas season, and we just
ran into each other in the parking lot. I was
sitting outside and drinking my tea as I usually do,
and she came up and We had a pretty in
depth conversation, but it was more personal and it was
you know, we didn't have microphones or cameras and we
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were just talking. And it was really the first time
I noticed her and thought, Wow, this girl is She's bright,
she's smart, she's quick, she's funny, and she's really cute.
And so that led to she slid into my d
M s and and just said whatever about our conversation,
And then I asked her out, that's a cute You
guys on paper are so compatible that wit that you
(28:08):
both have, like I feel you can go back and
forth with She's, uh, she's is pretty amazing and and
you know, we both were a little reluctant because of
her job and covering the show. But I mean it's
not like she's covering the White House. You know, she's
a she's an amazing journalist and she does a phenomenal
job and still does. But she also does a million
other things, you know, on top of the Bachelor. That's
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just a small part of what she does at et UM.
And I love that she is a part of the Bachelor,
and I love hearing her take on things. You know,
I don't share a lot about the show with her,
and so I like, I get to hear from not
only a fan, but a really good journalist of things
we're doing right, maybe things were doing wrong. She has
a great perspective of and it's been interesting to have
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that part of her as well. How do you not
share with her the ending? Like she's truly unspoiled the
entire time. Yeah, I know some people think, oh, well,
she knows everything, but I don't. Interest My kids don't know.
I just I've I've been doing this right teen years,
and it's very simple. I just don't tell anybody. And
and I've always had that rule of if you just
(29:13):
clearly have this rule of nobody knows anything, then you
don't have to worry, and you're never gonna get tripped up,
and you're never gonna screw up, and um so, And honestly,
she tells me, I don't want to know. She likes
to approach it by watching the episodes and covering it
from a journalistic standpoint, And she tells me that it
would kind of ruin it if I told her everything.
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She would approach her job differently and she wouldn't have
these great analytical insights and perspective of someone who's watching
it along with the rest of the world, and so um,
for those reasons, we just, you know, that's just something
we don't talk about. I mean, you know, I'll share
things about the show, about my life personally, working, but
when it comes to spoilers, she didn't want to know.
That's awesome. I do feel like you do a better
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job reporting on the show and you don't know anything.
That's why this season has been so much fun because
it is apparently spoiler free. And now that we are here,
you know, two weeks to go, I can I am
surprised it's still spoiler free. I'm I'm surprised as well.
So that means that there is a conclusion. Is there
(30:17):
a conclusion? Uh, you know, either way, there's gonna be
a conclusion good, bad or ugly. Um, but you know it,
we'll see there's I mean, obviously there's been spoilers before,
there hasn't. Um, you know, look, I never get mad
if people talk about the show, and a lot of
the show is public now, um, you know, and even
(30:37):
you have three people at to Tell All the other night,
and you can go online and read who talks at
to Tell All? And all that. Now I wish people
wouldn't do that. It's disappointing that people wake up in
the morning or people live their life to try and
spoil other people's work. I mean, there are thousands of
people that work on this show and it is their livelihood.
(30:57):
And the fact that someone would actually live their life
to ruin that, to try and put them out of
business or screw up what they're doing is it's it's
I don't know, I guess it just never ceases to
amaze me that there's people in this world that are
like that. But there are, um you know, in any
walk of life. There's just any people who they live
to crap on what other people are doing. And you know,
(31:18):
whether you create a new show or you create some
art and someone will be the first to say, oh
you suck or this show is terrible or I hate
you know, they just want to crap on on good
and they want to crap on people's work and their creativity.
But that's that's where we live in. Do you know
that of all the seasons that we've been doing this podcast,
which we're almost up to three years, every season that
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I have been spoiled by has been from a fan
commenting under my Instagram or tuning at me the ending
and never me trying to seek out the ending, because
there's people, there's people that just I guess information makes
people feel powerful and it makes me feel like they
have worth. And by the way, if that's how you
get yourself worth, I would urge you to find something better. Um.
(32:01):
But you know, whatever gets you through the day. Um,
at the end of the day, it doesn't ruin our franchise,
it clearly, and it doesn't ruin our ratings. I think
you need to watch. And I also know that anything
on social media any spoilers. It is such a minority,
so very few people actually here or read any of
that garbage. UM. So at the end of the day,
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most people are just watching the show for entertainment and escapism. Um.
And so hopefully it remains that for those people got you.
What about all the flag that you guys have been
getting about age. Do you think that you're going to
try to get an older Bachelor at next season to
bring the age up? Because I feel like a lot
of Bachelor Nation is blaming some of the caddy drama
(32:45):
and the lack of emphasis on a love story on age. Yeah,
I think that. You know, look, we always the show
will will always evmon flow and the pendelum will slang
in a lot of ways. But we we always sit
back and reflect on, Okay, what worked, what didn't, what
needs to change, And I think the age definitely will
(33:07):
be something we look at and it's something that I
think you have to pay attention to. Where are these
people in their life? Um, And a lot of that's
casting as well. You know, our casting department does a
great job, and sometimes it's just a matter of who
is in the pool at the time that we felt
was good and then all of a sudden, you know,
maybe we didn't look at Oh wait, all of them
are a lot younger than we normally have. We don't
(33:27):
have that great diversity as far as age because we
worry about so many other things as well now, so
it is it's not as easy as hey, let's just
make them older, because we also want really good people
that are you know, in line with what we're trying
to do. So but yeah, you know, the shortest short
answer is yeah, we'll definitely pay more attention to it,
and I think you'll see probably an older skewing uh
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group of men and women as we head forward. It
has been an honor. Thank you so much for talking
with us. You spilled a lot of tea. You really did,
did I really? I think so. I think there's a
couple of headlines in there. Oh boy, that's great. I
think it's mostly about you and Lauren. That's the problem is.
Now I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and I see these headlines.
I'm like, damn it. Why did I ever talk to as?
(34:14):
I love you? Thank you so much. Well, we'll see soon.
Sounds good. I'll talk to you later. Bye. Before we
get townly on the line, I have three bachelor headlines
this week. Bachelor in Paradise is Demi Burunette is kissing
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a new guy. His name is Slater, you know, as
you broke up with Christian Haggardy in October, and now
she is kissing a new guy on our Instagram celebrating
her birthday with him. I guess they've been dating for
a while, and I guess this means that Demi will
not be our next bachelorette. Bachelor Nations, Hannah god When
(35:00):
and Dylan Barber reveal their secrets to love after Paradise.
The couple says, I think we just effortlessly kind of
care for one another. Hannah says, I feel like we
don't really have arguments and we're like, Okay, if you're
struggling right now, let's talk through it. Or I don't
agree with this, but this is where my head's at.
We're both not argumentative people in general, so it works
(35:21):
nicely for a relationship because they're both very open minded
when it comes to different perspectives. Dylan also says, we're
comfortable with what we do and they need to be
in front of everything all the time, isn't there We
don't really care. I think he's talking about press, media,
the spotlight right there. All right, Well, they just had
their engagement party two nights ago, and I don't know
(35:42):
if that means that the wedding is starting to be
planned or they're just celebrating their engagement from June. But
we are very happy that Hannah and Dylan are going strong.
And then we have another Oh. I should have talked
to Chris about this. He apparently just trolled everyone with
a pick of Peter Weber and his producer Julie Polaca,
(36:02):
who is the woman that all those crazy internet rumors
and a rumor that Ben and I believed at one
point are about Julie was his producer, his main producers
throughout the entire season, and Um Harrison posted this picture.
You can go to his Instagram to see it. It's
them in an airport and Julie is right behind Peter
(36:25):
and he says, knowing nothing in life, but to be
legit new album cover came out great. So basically they're
pretending to be like a rap band. I don't know
how that's trolling everybody with the pick of Julie. It's
a picture of the production team. How is this trolling?
You guys? Stop looking into everything? So crazy? Okay, you
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guys are looking into everything. He's not trolling, he's just
taking He's showing a picture Julie. He doesn't end up
with Julie. Okay, it's not gonna happen, all right, Let's
get teny on the line from a bachelor, Timley mold On, Hello, Hi,
(37:07):
it's so good to hear you. Have you changed your
name yet? Yes? I have so, I'm Timley Leopold, but
Instagram won't let me change it. Really, yes? Is that crazy?
That is? You and Taylor have been married for almost
two years now, correct? Are you so good? Is it so? Is?
(37:28):
It's still so good. It's awesome. We're having a great
time too. But I don't know where two years is gone.
That's the craziest. We've just celebrated living in our house
that we bought last year, one year in here, and
so everything is so good. That's awesome. Can you tell
everybody about what you told me what a whimsical attachment
(37:49):
is in paradise? Because I brought up that to the
girls at Women Tell All this week. I was like,
maybe Peter was your whimsical attachment, which means that you
have to go on and find somebody else who taught
like he taught you what you need to go find
in another man. I love that you still remember it. No,
(38:09):
I think that it's stuck with you in like a really,
really good way. But I was so wrong telling you
that about thought Karen. But I so badly that I
just have to go back before I explained it, um
because I was so wrong, and I'm so glad I
was wrong. But I think in the moment, like he
was what your heart was supposed to be fixated on.
But you were you were meant to both of you
(38:31):
go grow and do your own things so that you
could be what you are today. So congratulations on all
of that and everything. But now the whimsical attachment. So
I I myself had been fixated on you know, um
signs or like little things are like this is it,
this is everything, and had a really hard time getting
(38:53):
over um a guy because I just thought, but he
was everything. He was everything I been praying for. He's
everything I thought that I should have and um, but
I mean he really wasn't now in hindsight, but I
just couldn't let go. But I was learning so much
from this person. Um. And then it happened again, like
(39:15):
another another really great guy came along, and I was like, Okay,
you're everything and more than that guy and thought, um,
I gotta let go or I couldn't let go. But um,
then when I realized this is just a whimsical attachment,
Like I'm just like whimsically um fast or like I'm
(39:35):
in love with the idea of this person versus um
like really like he's not my person, but I'm in
love with the idea of it. But it's just always
going to get greater from there. Like I said about
you and Jared. I was wrong, but it got greater
from there because you both were meant to have like
that growth time and really come together and learn like
(39:59):
that you were meant for each other. So yeah, So basically,
you find qualities in somebody that you never thought you wanted,
and then you learned from that person to go find
that quality in somebody else. Anyway, you guys, I thought
that I would just you don't bring that up with
Tony because it meant a lot to me at the time,
and I feel like it could mean a lot to
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you girls out there who are single or with a
guy that you think like you want to be with
but he's not showing signs and he wants with you
or what not? What you know what I mean? Yeah,
just go ahead and uh put your heart into those
qualities of for sure, like setting your standards and then
not backing down once you've met some because I really
(40:41):
do believe there's always something greater than you can imagine.
So if it's not in the moment um, it could
very well be later on or just somebody very different
than he's even better for you. So hang on to
that hope. So you guys, um Tenley was on j
Pell Vacasies. My year was that well lastinutely filmed, but
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two thou ten, so it's been like a decade and
the original pilot season, yes, the pilot season, but the
original of the pilots between Peter and Jake. Yeah, you
were runner up. You also did Bachelor pad and then
my season Bachelor in Paradise too. How do you feel
like the show has evolved since your time on it? UM, Well, obviously,
(41:29):
I don't know. I always hear you guys talking about
how like Crystal season, the season you were on, was
like the year you all came out and like had
really great um luck and response from social media, and
I agree with that, but it's weird because I think
it kind of like subtily was beginning um back in
(41:50):
two ves and ten. Um, Like I've I feel like
I've been so grateful to be working kind of on
the side with through Twitter and stuff and grow into Instagram.
But it's different, and I do think that that his
big comes a greater um, a greater difference for sure
over the last ten years of what somebody can get
(42:12):
out of the show, the recognition, the jobs that inst
the famous or whatever you want to call it um,
so that that is absolutely different UM. And I think
it's it's hard to totally like it's hard for us
as viewers to even see that genuine pull because we're
all very aware of what can happen, um, and then
(42:33):
the storytelling is just different. UM. I think we we
always forget that that we do get a lot of
the drama up front, and then you start to get
to know the couple or the potential of the couple
and some of the girls a little bit closer. But
I feel like this year especially has been really hard
to see any bit of investment between Peter and the
girls and I and then some of me. Some of
(42:56):
that is I wonder if it has to do with
the genuine, in like approach to these people being a
part of the show. Does that make sense? Yeah, Oh,
it makes total sense. I feel like all of us
are pretty attached and see what he has with Madison.
I actually even think that we we see what he
has with Victoria, which is like a frenzy. I don't understand.
(43:17):
You don't mean I mean we see it though we
said that there's something, there's a connection, there's like an
intense pull towards each other to work it out, you know,
but I he's almost attracted to drama, right, yeah, or
he he loves the conflict. He almost likes conflict and
relationship because it keeps it interesting and even admits to that.
(43:39):
But I really, and I'm not. This is nothing against
Hannah Anne herself. I truly am not even I'm not
feeling their connection at all. Are you feeling it? No? No, no, no,
uh yeah no not at all. I feel like she's
she's kind of she's definitely, she's so beautiful, she's so sweet,
(44:00):
But I just feel like it's stale. I feel like
even there um there before the fantasy suite, there dinner portions,
by the way, just pointing out you probably noticed it.
Madison had this big, old, beautiful dinner set up and
both Victoria and Hannah, Hannah it was like no plates
on the table, no drinks, and like let's get to
(44:21):
the bedroom or like let's cut the budget here. I
don't know, but anyway, Hannah and just looked so there
was like this anxiousness, there was this like it just
wasn't it wasn't easy. I know that you are a
very faithful woman. How do you feel that Madison is
handling the no sex before marriage ultimatum. It was there
(44:42):
calling it okay, I have so much to say about this,
so please cut me off or jump in or what No, Okay,
we'll see where it goes. I've been thinking about it
a lot, but um one, I feel like she kind
of lost her confidence with Peter because she wasn't necessarily
straight up with telling him um that she like, she
(45:08):
wasn't straight up. She didn't come out and say, hey,
I'm waiting for marriage. Yo. Girl. We had Harrison on
before you came on and he was said the same thing.
He was like. We were like, okay, yeah, this is
your time. Go talk to him after the Rose ceremony,
tell him everything. And she didn't tell him that, and
that was so critical to be honest critical. I mean,
I don't want to I don't want to say that
(45:28):
Peter messed up here. He should never have to assume anything.
But if I were him, I would have been like, Okay,
she's twenty three, she's expressed her faith, she's talking about
me about this. I would put the things together and
be like, she's probably a virgin, and I would probably
ask right, but maybe he I mean because Hannah was
a woman of faith but had no problem in you know, like,
so I feel like it's really so yeah. So first
(45:51):
of all, she lost her confidence and just didn't tell him,
and I think that would have been so much easier
for him to understand her heart. And really, as I
was watching, because I don't think it's an ultimatum that
she's offering, which so they can keep calling it that,
but I think more of what she was thinking is, dude,
if you if I'm your girl, then you're not going
to have a problem not having sex with these other women,
(46:13):
because that's how her mind thinks. Yes, well, so with
the whole like Luke and Hannah, we do not need
to talk about that. As I was watching that back
last year, I was like, I never asked Jake like
if he was having sex with other people in the
Dynasy suite, because with the conversations we had alone, I
(46:33):
was led to believe that we were completely in stinc
um with the way that we thought, the way that
our faith was, and that was just what Jake had
shared with me, and so I assumed that we were
going to be on the same page and I never
even brought it up. I never said sorry, having sex
with RG or whatever, and um, I never even thought
to think about it. And then later when I watched
(46:54):
the shows, like, I'm glad I didn't end up with
this guy because it was different. But like, I think
you can hand it that the conversation didn't go well,
but I get why he asked, and I feel like
Madison was just trying to say, hey, like, so these
are my personal standards. I would love it if you
If I'm your girl, you don't need anybody else. You
(47:15):
don't need to test the waters if that's what you're doing. Um,
you don't need a fun romp like with these other
girls because I'm your girl. Based on the conversating based
on the conversation that he has during the dinner portion
of their fantasy suitet day, which we don't know what
it leads to because it gets cut off at dinner
in this episode, but during that conversation, he makes it
(47:37):
seem like he really wasn't sure who he was going
to pick and that's why he decided to go with it.
So what you think that, Yeah, you think that you
just thought it was gonna be a fun, fun time.
I watched I watched it with my husband and who
has the same values as me, like and going into
(47:58):
marriage and everything. And he was like, oh, he just
he missed it. He didn't, he wasn't he wasn't thinking
about Madison. He but it wasn't that he was thinking
this is just what we thought like that. It wasn't
that he was confused about who he was choosing. It
seems like he adores Madison. You can kind of tell
(48:18):
in that, like with the whole setup, like her dinner
was candlelit and they did everything for the table. They
made it look so special, and um, the other girls
really didn't have that, And so he just kind of
phil led to believe that he's pretty into Madison. She's
the one, and that he he just kind of was
(48:40):
going for it because that's what you do in the
fantasy sweeps, and the other girls didn't have those boundaries,
so why not, Like I feel like you just kind
of got lost in the moment, as I think it's
really easy to do if you if that's just not
if that's how you will know you're right. When Jared
and I were watching it, he was like, oh, dude,
why could you not is keeping in your pants the
(49:01):
other two dates? But then how could he not like
how I'm just I'm thinking that the only way he
did that and didn't keep it in his pants is
because he really was confused and didn't know who's going
to pick. But if he really just totally disregarded what
she asked him, mind boggle. But but I don't feel
(49:24):
like she really I don't think she gave it. That's
the other thing. I feel like it falls into Madison
and her losing her confidence in front of him in
whatnot saying Hey, I'm waiting, I'm saving myself for marriage.
In that moment at the hangar um after the road ceremony,
when she had that open door to say, give either
my standards. This is where I'm not. I haven't I
am a virgin, and um, I don't necessarily have these
(49:47):
expectations of you. But I think that if we were,
but this is what you should know, and he would
have had a completely different perspective going into the fantasy
sweet dates with the other girls. I think he I
really think he would have been thinking more of Addison
in that way versus she just doesn't want me to
do with these other girls, which totally makes sense. No
(50:08):
girl wants that. No girl wants to be back to
back like in anything, and so I do feel like
she kind of missed that door fatal flawf not telling
him she was a virgin up fronts. All right, Tenley,
thank you so much for all your thoughts and for
coming on the podcast. I really appreciate you to talk
to you soon. I'll talk to you soon. Thank you.
(50:29):
By all right, guys, let's take a break, and then
we're going to surprise the American Idol contestant. Before we
surprise this idle contestant, I want you guys to get
some context. So Mark is going to play the clip
(50:49):
of Ryan Seacrest talking to Megan and her expressing her
love for Ben Higgins's did you Peter the Pilot? Did
you like? I love Peter the Pilot. I'm excited for him,
but Ben Higgins is my favorite. Then Higgins is dreaming
born to be the Bachelor. Oh the cross promotion babies,
she loves it. Alright, should we get her on the phone? Mark?
(51:11):
Are you ready? I'm ready? And she's on hold. We
have to have been on home, so you got to
wait and get every all of our duction use I'm
gonna say, how do you like this? Actually ill said Hi.
I'm with HI Radio. It's nice to meet you. Congratulations
on going to Hollywood. That's great. Oh. You know what,
before I ask you any questions, there is somebody on
the line who wants to talk to you. Okay, okay, good, right, okay,
we go. Hi Megan, Hi, Hi Megan. It's Mark with
(51:33):
II Hour Radio. How are you good? How are you good?
Thank you? I'm so sorry to keep you on hold
there for a few minutes. Um, do you have a
second here? Yeah, okay, great, we have a few questions
for you. But you know what, actually, before I ask
you any questions, there's somebody else here who wants to
say hi to you. Okay, are you Megan? It's been here.
How are you doing? Wait? No, no, no, no, no
(51:56):
at all? Oh my god, what how are you doing? Megan?
Congratulations on everything. I I'm super pumped to be talking
to you. You don't understand. My heart is just elevated
so much. It's just a joke, right, Oh, I definitely
not a joke. I would recognize the voice anywhere, Megan.
(52:19):
You are on the Benn and Nashley almost famous podcasts. No,
I'm oh my god, stop stop dopp you're joking. Oh
my god, Oh Dag and uh we are. We are
huge fans of you. Uh, you have blown up. Oh
(52:42):
of course, I've gotten so many videos sent to me.
Ashley and I were so excited to talk to you today.
Congratulations on everything so far. We had to get you
on the podcast making because I'm not kidding. I've gotten
more text and more emails and more messages in the
last twenty four hours and any other time in my life.
Oh my, I'm guys, I'm featless and that does not
(53:05):
happen to me. Oh my god. Well, I'm so glad
that you saw the cliffs. Clearly, I'm a big fan
of both of you. Yeah, I'm sorry actually that you
didn't get a little montage within my Uh it's okay,
we suff Oh my god, this is crazy. So what
(53:30):
do you think about this season? You want to give
us a little bit of your thoughts? Absolutely, absolutely, Okay.
I'm waiting for some girl to to come through for me,
because I'm not crazy about anyone right now. If I'm
gonna pull for anyone, it's gonna be Madison. Um. But
(53:50):
I'm honestly up for some Hannaby drama. I want her
to enter. I wanted her to enter from the Star
I to here to go back in the house. Hannah
By is my favorite bachelorette UM and I'm i'm I
love her and I thought Peter was gonna win last season,
(54:11):
and then he didn't. I was really surprised. I think
she regrets it. I think he does well. I think
does Megan. We gotta ask you, though, I mean, so
you have your own podcast, give us a little give
it a little shout out here on the almost Famous podcast.
But then also if you if you really believe that
Hannah By could step up and be the Bachelorette again,
(54:32):
can you give her a sales pitch because at this point,
I believe, at the beginning of the season, I'm not
believing it anymore that she is the best choice for Bachelorette.
Who do you think is the best choice? I mean,
if Maddie doesn't get chosen, I think it has to
be Maddie. If Maddie does get chosen, then I think
reaching back into like the Tassia's TIA's that world. I
(54:52):
would love Pia. Oh. I was such a big fan
of person um. But yeah, that's that's a definitely good
a good, good choices, good choices. Um, I don't know.
I think hannahby she's just like been through it and
I want her to I want her to go to
rise up. I want like I love story for her.
So you do want her to be the Bachelorette again? Well,
(55:15):
that would be like my sales pitch, except for I
don't think she's going to be, you know, I because
she added more dates to her dancing with the Star
Wars store and it would happen during I mean, here's
the thing though, and I think we're touching on something
that most people we talked to our feeling and including
Ashley and I. We had high hopes for Peter. I
still like Peter, actually still likes Peter as a person,
(55:37):
but this season it's just kind of missed it for us,
Like there's been very little attachment to it. Are you
feeling that way, Yes, definitely feeling that way. I still
I had really high hopes for Peter, to be honest,
then I saw a lot of qualities that you possess
in Peter, so I was excited for him. I was like,
all right, he's gonna up up to the plate um.
(56:02):
But it's it's been a little different. He's made some
questionable choices, which I know you guys have talked about
on the podcast. Um so it's been a little different.
I'm not attached to any girls like I usually am
in this season. Um so I'm really interested to find out,
especially tonight. Chris Harrison made an interesting post that tonight
(56:25):
when like the real the real story starts so on
the podcast. Yeah, so I'm very interested to see what
goes down in this top three. Um and yeah, and
what unfold. There's just like Colton season, there's gonna be
a bomb dropped at the very end, and I have
no idea what's going to happen. Well, Megan, I know
(56:50):
you live in Brooklyn, New York. Uh, do me a
favor if if you have the chance, please come say
hi to meet when we come through town for the
Bachelorive on stage. After this call, I'll have somebody from
my heart reach out and get you some tickets, and
then please come say hi and hang out with me
before the show. Is that okay? That would make all
of my dreams come true. I would absolutely love it.
(57:15):
It would be a blast. Uh, Megan, before we go,
please promote anything you're a part of, right now, including
American Idol and also your podcast. Tell our listeners where
they can find you. Yeah, sure, um so my podcast,
that's a very generous word to call it. I just
call him a little recap there on my sound cloud.
(57:36):
Um under, I watched The Bachelor and you don't care.
That is the name of it. Little recap by Megan.
Um and then I'm currently yes in Brooklyn and um
just gigging around. I'm actually releasing an EP a month
from today, March. It's called all Over the Place. Um
(57:58):
so check that out. It'll be on Spotify and all
of the streaming services. But just keep up with me
through my Instagram, which is Megan fit In m E
G h N Megan and F I T T O
N awesome. Thanks Megan. Well, hey, Ashley and I love
American Idol. We're a big fan of. Oh my gosh, Megan,
(58:21):
everything I should tell you before you leave. I used
to have a heart Idle on my license plate. Oh
my god. I was obsessed. I used to paint my
car every finale with who I voted for, and I
would say vote like for example, I can see in
(58:41):
my head I was like vote Blake. Even though I
love Jordan Sparks. So it was vote Blake and then
I had the number to dial to vote and now
I recorded Ryan Seacres Studio. It's very cool. That amazing
thing I've ever heard. That's gonna say. It's pretty on brand.
And I don't know you personally, but it sounds pretty astley.
(59:04):
Thank you. It's very true to me. Hey, thank you
for being a guest in the almost famous podcast. We
appreciate you. We're rooting for you. And please, please please
come see The Bachelor live on stage we come through
New York. I will be there and thank you for
literally the best surprise of my life. I don't know.
I don't know what's going to top this, to be honest,
(59:26):
You're very sweet. Thanks Began. Hey, bet right bye, Ben.
While we still have you on the line, I just
want to ask you how the past week has been
for you wild Actually, we've had a big week. We've
gone through just listen to it. So in the last
eight days, we've been in Mesa, Reno, Santa Rosa, San jose, A,
(59:48):
Salt Lake City, Modesto, Cheyenne, and Denver, and now I
find myself in Tucson, Arizona. Actually I don't know if
you've heard this or not. I'll send you a video here.
In a set get in Salt Lake City, I was
on stage and during one of the dancing numbers, I
went and stepped in my knee completely dislocated in front
of the docket in two different places on stage, and
(01:00:11):
I had to hobble off pop it back end. I'll
show you. I'll show you the video. It is. It
is nasty. Popped it back in yourself, your knee. That
sounds like something that a doctor we need to handle.
It was pretty gross, but hey, the show must go on.
We are having a good time here on the road.
But we are definitely on the road. I'm I did
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not expect. I mean, yeah, we've been up and down
this country already, but we're having a great, a great time.
Vachel Nation has responded really well. Um but uh, but
it's it's a lot of work. Hey, but I'm happy
to be talking to you. Actually, Uh, continue just to
h to carry this podcast because I appreciate it. You
know you sound just fine. Now. It could have had
you on the entire episode. I know, I know, Um,
(01:00:56):
but U yeah, what a fun time talking to Megan.
I got the New it's on the rundown with Chris
what an interview. Uh, that's some that's some juicy stuff.
And uh and Ashley, Uh yeah, I'm just really proud
of you. Thank you. I'm proud of you. I mean,
I just don't know how you're doing what you're doing.
I'm just gonna be mind Bible to buy it forever. Uh,
(01:01:18):
You're the best. Ash Well, Hey, is this the end
of the podcast now? Yeah? It is, so we can
sign off the way we know it only would this
feels nice. I needed this this week, act. I needed
to hear your voice. Hi. I have another co host
on stage, but Ashley, you're my first co host and
I missed your voice. So with that, I've been there
(01:01:38):
as bye, guys, Fanks too much. Follow the Benn and
Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe
wherever you listen to podcasts.
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with i R Radio. Hey guys, it's Ashley. Ben is
on the road. He will be making an appearance at
the end of the episode, but right now, I think
it's just gonna be me and the best co host
I could possibly have to replace Ben. And Ben, you
(00:23):
are not replaceable, Okay, it's that clear. You're not replaceable.
But like, if I had to pick another cost it
would be this guy. Chris Harrison is on the show today, yea.
And then we'll be calling My Bachelor in Paradise to
castmate Tenley molds on, I want the update on her relationship,
(00:44):
her marriage, and then we have Ben coming on and
he's going to surprise a new girl on American Idol.
Her name is Meghan Fitten, and on the premiere episode
of American Idol on One Day, she talked about how
she loved American Idol, how she grew up with it,
(01:04):
but her heart and soul is with Ben Higgins. Like
she's a huge fan of the Bachelor, and she spent
her American Idol audition package talking about Ben Higgins, so
that's really cool. So she thinks that she's calling in
to um to talk to like Ryan or something. I
think she's going to talk to Heart radio producers. Okay,
(01:27):
so like I'm going to be that. My name is
Mark and I am an Ihart radio producer. Yeah, so
I'll pretend to be one of those. Yeah. So she
thinks she's calling in to talk to not Ben, and
then we're going to surprise her and be like, you're
actually on Ben's podcast. Here is This is gonna be
really fun. But you got away to the end of
the episode, which shouldn't be hard because we have Chris
Harrison on the line and he's not just the host
(01:49):
of the Bachelor. He also is the host of Volcano
Live with Nick wallanda Um and ESPN's Stage Steele. He's
co hosting this on March fourth. We're going to talk
to him about this before we get into all the
Bachelor drama from the season. Hey, Chris, that's how you're doing.
I'm great. How are you awesome? It was good to
(02:12):
see you at the Women Tell All the other night.
You made the special little visit. I was honored. It
was very fun to be up there. It's actually quite nervous.
Before I got up there, I was like having evading
these women's space. I'm like, it's not my times, is
not my hour, and they're gonna not like me because
of it. I thought you would enjoy it because for
(02:34):
the first time, like nothing had to do with you.
You could just enjoy the moment and you you weren't
going to cry. It wasn't going to be a disaster
or just like a happy come visit us. So you
would think in my office, thank you, Yeah, you would
think that. I was like, oh no, see, usually I'm
here talking about myself and I can do that, but
I feel bad being here talking about them. Anyway, it
(02:54):
was really fun and I enjoyed it. Let's talk about
this volcano lie that you're doing. Is this the guy
I was always walking around on the tight rope going
like across Niagara Falls and stuff. Yeah, I mean, if
you've grown up, you know, probably a little bit older
than you. The Welenda family are unbelievably famous, their legendary
(03:15):
and it's not just Nick and his wife, it is generations.
It goes back. You know, three or four generations of
Wallnda's who are circus people and high wire acts and
just feats of amazing stuff. Um and so Nick Wilenda
is kind of the latest of the Wilenda's that does
crazy stuff. And you probably remember he did the crossing
(03:37):
the Grand Canyon. Um, he went across Niagara Falls. His
latest big one was going across Times Square UM from
a couple of buildings. And so now his newest idea
was I'm gonna go the furthest and highest I've ever
been across a live active volcano in Nicaragua. And as
(03:59):
he called a good good friend of mine from Dick
Clark Productions who was at ABC and this is on ABC,
and they called, said, hey, would you want to come
to Nicaragua and cover a live event of Nick will
Linda walking over a live volcano? And I said, who
says no to that? And absolutely, it's it's it's in
the wall Linda Blood to be able to walk a
(04:21):
tight rope. Yeah, I mean, it really is amazing if
you go back through the family, Um, it is generational.
And you know, I met Nick at this last ABC event,
this this Critics Association thing that you've probably been to
in the past, but um, I met him. And you know,
if you've ever seen like the movie Free Solo, and
you realized that guy is a little bit on the spectrum,
(04:44):
and he's a little bit off and he's a little
bit different. I kind of expected Nick and his wife
who by the way, his wife also just as amazing
and does these crazy feats of daredevil status. And um,
I met him thinking, Okay, this guy is probably going
to be just a little bit off. And after talking
to him, I stopped. I said, look, I don't mean
to be rude. You're such a normal guy. You're a
(05:06):
real dude. We're just talking sports and family and life,
and he goes, yeah, it's just it's in my blood, Chris.
I've been doing this since I was in the womb.
My mom did it, and my dad did it, and
my great grandfather did it, and but they just grew
up like this and it really is in their blood
and they've always done it. And it really is stunning
because I think they we kind of take it for granted,
(05:29):
how easy they make it look. And it's sure as heck, isn't.
That's I will definitely be watching this on March fourth.
It's Wednesday on ABC. Does it start at eight o'clock?
I believe so? Yeah. I mean I'm gonna be in Nicaragua,
so I have no idea the timing of this, but
it is live on ABC, and my good friends Stage Deal,
who works at ESPN and we've worked together before doing
(05:51):
Miss America and stuff like that. She was nice enough
to jump on board and join me. And it's going
to be wild. Um standing on because apparently we're worse.
Standing is going to be right on the edge of
this volcano and there is a live lava pool that
he'll be walking over like yeah, like literally there's a
(06:12):
pool of lava below him with toxic fumes coming up
and wind and I mean it's and and when you
look at the wire that he's on, we're talking the
width of a couple of wine corks or bottle caps.
That's what he's walking on. That's wild. I know the
audience is gonna be like, okay, actually get to the bachelorstuff.
But one more but like one more question, how hot
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is that type of gonna be? And well, that's that
is a thing. I mean, you know they they are
also phenomenal engineers and he keeps this in the family.
His uncle is one of the engineers and served to
the military that puts these together. They're already down there
in Nicaragua putting this together. And um, that's part of
it too, is just the engineering that it takes to
keep this thing stable so he can make it across.
(06:56):
And um, you know, not to be dramatic or you know,
kind of morose about this, his great grandfather died in
trying to walk across between these two hotels in Puerto Rico,
and there is video of it. It's and I've watched
and seen this and and he was you know, a
(07:16):
little bit older and couldn't hold on and went down.
And you know, we all watched it on live TV
back in so it is a very real thing that
this could go horribly wrong. And and it's amazing that
he will put himself out there to do this. And
he doesn't have any sort of restraints. Well we're not
(07:36):
sure about that actually. So when he did when he
when he did the Grand Canyon, Um, he was not tethered.
When he walked in New York, he had to be
tethered according to New York law. And you know, walking
across Times Square, things can obviously still go horribly wrong
even if you're tethered. This walk is still up in
(07:57):
the air. He doesn't want to be tethered. He doesn't
like it. It actually throws him off a little bit. Um,
He's been doing it his whole life, untethered and just
nothing but that pole that they carry across. And so
it's still up in the air as if ABC is
going to allow this to happen. So we'll see Um
still up in here. He's fighting for it. We're all
(08:17):
fighting for work, and that's what he wants to do.
All right, Well, you guys will have to watch it.
It's gonna be insane. And what's also going to be
insane is the rest of this Bachelor's season. Chris, I'm
going to kind of go through the episode with you
a little bit briefly. I'm not going to really break
down the episode with you, but there I'm gonna go
and down the line and talk to talk to you
(08:38):
about stuff that I feel like only you could answer, Um, well,
are the girls all rooming together this top three? Well,
as you know, that is something very different. And I
was trying to think historically if we've ever done it
in eighteen years, and I don't think we have. Um,
although the show has changed and evolved in different ways,
I don't know if we've ever done that. But you know,
(09:01):
you know as well, as anybody, we have to force
certain situations at times to force people into an uncomfortable
position or to face something that they need to face
and that they're not really staining up to. And this
was one of those situations where really centered around Madison Um.
She is saving herself for marriage, which is fantastic, wonderful
(09:21):
if that's your choice. You may know something about that,
um And but it was this ultimatum, although she still
doesn't know it's an ultimatum because she says it's not,
and Peter even says it's not. But when you you know,
when you have, when you say if you do something,
this will be the repercussions of that, that is an ultimatum.
(09:44):
So however you wanted to find it, it was an ultimatum.
So at any rate she gives Peter this ultimatum, and
she really hasn't come clean as to all of the
details of saving herself for marriage and the whole thing.
And this was a situation where I felt like we
needed as producers to force a conversation and force a
(10:06):
situation that would bring about a resolution, because we're getting
way too far into this to still have something so
huge hanging over them that they're really not dealing with. Normally,
you guys don't use the word producer like you wouldn't.
You would very rarely say that's something that we produced.
So yeah, well, you know what what we do. And
(10:27):
you know, Rachel and I, uh, because she was around
the other day too, we had this conversation because she
was a little skeptical, but she also understood. And she
was another one a particular batch thrette where I had
to really we had to force some situations and the
show and situations are produced, but not heavy handed in
a way where a lot of times you think, oh,
they're just doing this for drama, they're just doing this
(10:47):
for TV. A lot of times it really is to force,
you know, a Nick Viale to really step up the
game and start making some decisions, to make Rachel really
face some fears, to make Madison and Peter really come
to terms with what they're really grappling with and maybe
they're kind of denying facing this situation. And so when
push comes to shove, we're going to shove and we're
(11:09):
going to force this situation. And so, yeah, it was awkward,
and you know, maybe we'll never do it again. But
in this situation, it kind of had to be done, Okay.
I can respect that it was a slow coming out
process about it all. Like I would have thought that
when she pulls Peter aside after the Row ceremony and says, hey,
like I would have a hard time if you sleep
(11:31):
with other people, or if you you know or other people,
if you sleep with anyone, and you just think the
fact that clearly this entire season was somewhat sexualized and
sex positive. I mean, the guy had, you know, very
much been announced as a guy who was in a
windmill with Hannah for you know, all night. So but
you would have thought that she would have told him
(11:52):
she was a virgin at that moment. It was seemed
so weird that she left that out. It would have
been more meaningful, It would have made more sense why
she was giving that ultimatum. And that was a reason
one of the reasons we really allowed her to have
that time with him. And after a road summing again
that was pretty different as well. After that road summady
to allow just one girl to go talk to him
(12:14):
and have that moment. But we thought, hey, she's gonna
come clean, She's gonna tell him she's a virgin or
and by the way, she doesn't even she's not even
comfortable with that word, which is up to you. I
guess um. She likes to say she's saving herself her
marriage as opposed to being a virgin, but it's again semantics.
But the point is she didn't come clean. She she
only gave him really enough information to fail. She never
(12:38):
set him up to succeed. And that's kind of what
bothered us was he's not getting on the whole story
and he's being set up to fail here, and we
got to kind of step in and help him because
we're getting down to crunch time. Okay, Okay, that makes sense,
you know, And honestly, maybe it could have come out
even earlier. I mean, she knew that they had really
strong feelings and had a great connection and and she's
(13:00):
such a wonderful woman. I really I And I want
to make it clear I don't have any problem, as
you very well know, the fact that she was saving
yourself a marriage. That's fine. I don't even mind the ultimatum.
I really don't. If you want to make your stance
clear and these are the morals you're standing on, that's
your prerogative. I have no problem with that. But if
you're not going to share that information with someone you
(13:23):
care about in a timely fashion to where they can
use that information to help or succeed, then I don't know.
That's where it got a little murky and muddy for me.
Of course, I also totally respect the ultimatum. I've all,
I've been very open about being conservative about sex. How
do you feel this is any different from Luke p
(13:46):
telling Hannah that he didn't want her sleeping with the
other guys last season. Well, this and you've gotta be
really careful this particular part of the equation, um, being
a virgin, saving yourself, wanting your significant other to kind
of follow along in this belief, I have no problem with,
and I think that it is identical to Loup p
(14:07):
Um in that regard. Now, there were other things that
happened earlier in the season where I think Loup was
manipulative and maybe misogynistic, and that clouded everything that happened later. Um,
But I always said from the beginning, I have no
problem with Luke p and his stance on his religion,
his faith, and he is wanting, you know, the woman
(14:29):
he's gonna fall in love with to follow certain guidelines.
I think there is a double standard. I think that
Madison will be treated completely differently, but maybe deservedly so
to a certain degree, because again Luke Pete did cloud
things early on with things he was saying and doing,
and he really drove everybody crazy. Madison's very beloved, she
was liked in the house. Um. But again I have
(14:51):
I have no problem with either one of them having
these ultimatums, are having these strict guidelines that they live by.
That is your faith and that's your life. If it's
totally up to you. You can argue, what are you
doing on the Bachelor? What are you doing chasing a
guy like Peter who's clearly not that type of person. Um.
You know, there's a lot of those questions that maybe
(15:12):
we could raise, But the actual act of standing by
your morals, you know, it really is a very similar
situation to Luke. It really was, and I know people
will maybe get a little upset with that, But I
think there's going to be a little bit of a
double standard. I agree completely going to be a double standard.
I will say that Luke made it seem like he
was slut shaming Hannah, like he was making her seem
(15:36):
less of a person for it, and and Madison's more like,
these are my morals, Like I would appreciate it if
you were to like respect it. It's always about It's
always about optics, isn't it? And well, yes, it wasn't
it wasn't. I mean, Luke, p was a little misogynistic
(15:56):
in like you said, there was the kind of slut shaming.
LL meant that it didn't look good at John just
saying the bottom line was I have no problem with
his faith. Madison was much more eloquent and articulate. But
then against she wasn't because her failure was she really
never came clean and she really never gave herself to
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Peter in that way that emotionally where he needed to
know the truth and to hear all this, and that
may have changed the entire direction of Peter's life and
the show. Of course, Madison's date this week was the
last overnight date. And you guys you brought producing before.
This is obviously a produced move. How do you feel
(16:39):
about people saying that this season they feel the producing
more than others. Oh, I mean, I guess it's always
in the eye of the beholder and it's up to
vatter Nation and whatever you feel. Um, there isn't anything
more this season than we've ever done in the last
eighteen years. Is really not I'm obviously have intimate knowledge
(16:59):
of all the decisions we make and what we do.
There's nothing more this season than prior seasons. You feel it,
You feel it. Do you think that the audience is
just trying to like they're just so invested and because
it's like such a pop culture thing right now to
like over analyze the episode like we have all these
(17:21):
podcasts this one included dedicated to analyzing the episode for
almost as long as the length of the episode. Do
you think that it's that kind of culture that's making
people see like, okay, like this show is not at
all scripted, but they do put these people in certain positions. Actually,
I'm always amazed at the level of I guess passion
(17:46):
and the detail and the things that people, you know,
they dive into this show and really break it down.
I see and hear things on social media sometimes and
I'll have to go back and actually watching a Wow,
did that really happen? You know, did we did we
miss that at it? Or did something get you know,
there's things that people will stop and go frame by frame,
and um, you know, there are times when an editor
(18:08):
will put in a shot from from god knows when
and it won't match up to whatever we were doing.
And I mean, these people notice everything. And I love
the fact that it is such a pop culture phenomenon.
It's a part of our everyday life now and it
is easily by far the most socially relevant and socially
impactful show probably in the history of television. Definitely right now,
(18:30):
but if you go back, I mean now, it's been
on for two decades and so you could argue in
the history of TV, I don't know if anything has
ever socially impacted our lives the way The Bachelor has
because it deals with such a such a topic that
we all we all relate to it because it's relationships,
it's love, it's sex, it's all these social issues. No
(18:53):
other show taps into that. Um, you know, Danceel with
the Stars, No, not really at all. You know American
Idol Now, yeah, I was just going to say American
Idol was the only one that I could think was
like as much of a pop culture phenomenon. But you're right.
It doesn't deal with social phenomenon and it set records
in it changed television in a television way, but it
didn't change our lives. The Bachelor has bled into the
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way we date, the way we talk, the way we
give roses, I mean, the way we get married. There
it has bled into our real lives. And there are
shows we appreciate love and have fun with, but nothing
has affected our lives the way The Bachelor has. And
that is I find fascinating. Chris, You're making me feel
so cool. That was part of it. Thank you, and
(19:39):
thank you for of course leading the whole things about
eighteen years How amazing. I know we got a little
off topic. I just want to run through the episode
real quick. Hannah An, I can't connect with her. Can
you explain why? Yeah? You know, I've heard people say
that you're one. One of the problems that they've had
with this season is it's hard to root for anybody
in a hard to really feel a connection with people.
(20:03):
And you know, I think that Hannah and has not
had that. You know, maybe that was editing and and
we didn't do a good enough job of letting you
connect with these women because she is fantastic. She's a lovely,
lovely woman, and um, you know, I think that while
we can take some of the credit or blame for that,
I also think that you have to watch what's about
(20:24):
to happen over the next few weeks because, as I
said today in a in an Instagram post, this show
really starts now. There's been a lot of ups and downs,
but I really feel of all seasons shings really begin
tonight and over the next couple of weeks as it unfolds,
you will see and I think you'll understand what I mean,
Like this show will do a one eight and I
(20:46):
think you're really going to get a lot more vested
in these women. And I get maybe it's a little late,
but if you are still willing to dive in and watch,
which I know vacination will, I think you'll get it
all right. Well, then let's move on to the Tory
FS date. She has another moment where she she feels
like she's at a loss for words talking about her
(21:07):
past relationships. What is it up with this girl? When
she when she like gets to the she has like
this roadblock. It's like whenever something is about to get
too emotional, she just cuts herself off. Do you think
that her past relationships are truly what what makes this happen?
If I could relate anybody to you, it would be
(21:29):
victoria on some levels. And that you know, I remember
you vividly having a hard time really expressing your emotions
articulately and really putting those those feelings and tears and
all that stuff into words. And I think she has
a little bit of that um problem as well and
truly expressing herself. And it was maddening to watch at times,
(21:51):
you know, as as Peter is trying to pull this
out of her because they do have a connection, but yeah,
it was maddening at times to watch them because you
just want to say, say words, please put them in
a sentence and make them meaningful, like just please give
us something, but you just couldn't do it. And she
was her own worst enemy. And I think, yeah, maybe
(22:12):
his prior relationships, maybe it's her family, who knows what
it was in her past, but man, it's sure got
the best of her. I feel like I'm still that way. Um,
even when I get up lin Jared and I have
an argument, like I'll just cry and then I'll be
like I'm feeling like I know what I'm feeling, but
it's hard to take like what I'm feeling in my
(22:33):
body and like put it into words. So I do
relate to her, and I do feel like I was
a more of a mix of Kelsey and Victoria throughout
the season. Well, I am a father of a sixteen
year old girl, as you know, my tailor, so I
too understand maybe and probably when people say what makes you,
you know, a good host and therapist and all that,
I said, well, I think, you know, being a dad
(22:54):
to a teenage girl definitely helps, and you know, being
around this show for eighteen years, so I do see that.
I see the emotion in my own daughter at times,
and I'm like, okay, there's really no true explanation for
some of it. It's just a motion and you know,
there's no Hey, what are you trying to say right now?
Or tell me how why it's there is no why,
It's just a motion and it overtakes you sometimes. Exactly
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how is your girlfriend Lauren when she is upset? Is
she very vocal? I feel like she's very good at
articulating her feelings. She's pretty good at articulating. She's actually
maybe the best communicator I've ever been with, and she's
really good at that. Yeah, and we are both and
I think because we're both hosts and we're both so
analytical in that way that yeah, we're maybe we're too
(23:42):
good at expressing ourselves sometimes maybe maybe some more mystery
needs to be involved. You guys have been together for
a year and a half. I know, isn't that crazy?
That is crazy? Do you It's really flown by. It's
really flown by. But I guess the when you know,
when you're happy and things are good, it flies by.
Last question about your personal life, would you get married again? Sure? Yeah,
(24:05):
I'm I'm definitely not against it. Um, you know, I
did it, you know for a long time. I was
married the first time around for what seventeen or eighteen
years and had kids and it was more of the
traditional route. You know. My life as I'm older now
is a lot less traditional. Uh as far as the
need for marriage. You know, it's kind of like what
you and Jared are going through. It's you get married
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and you want to have babies, and it's kind of
that traditional route. Well, I've done that. I've already been there,
so I don't have that net desire to like, oh
my god, I gotta get married so I can have
babies and create this family. Now, I just want to
be happy. I want you know, people in my life
and including you know l Z and people that surround
me that just make me happy and that I love dearly.
And so if that leads to marriage someday, great, It's
(24:47):
just you know, it's not the goal and it's not
the end all be all it used to be when
I was years old. All right, can you tell everybody
about your tropical rose. It's got past fruit, dragon fruit,
and rose flavors, and it sounds like it's going to
be the new drink of paradise and the official drink
of everybody's Bachelor Watch parties on Monday. And also included
(25:11):
are the tears of Ashley. I thank you. That's really
the secret ingredient. I couldn't announce it until now, but
it's it is touch of rose, passion fruit, dragon fruit,
and tears of Ashley. Oh my goodness, is there a
Kelsey variety that would be amazing? Um? Now, this is
actually something I've been working on for about a year
(25:32):
with Seagram's Escapes, and this amazing collaboration. I went to Chicago,
created the taste myself and went through it, created the
packaging and the look and the color, and it is awesome.
And it's finally hitting the store shelves now and it
will continue to roll out, uh kind of over the
next month where it'll hit all of the big stores
across the country. But I am so fired up. It
(25:54):
is so good and the best part about it every
everyone I'm giving it to that have tasted it. That's
the first thing. I'm like, Wow, I really love this. Okay,
and it's only a hundred calories. I know, it's such
a low calorie drink. That's amazing. And I would be
so surprised if Roses in Rose, you know Lauren Zima's
et recap doesn't become Roses in Tropical Rose. I don't
(26:20):
want to have a spoiler alert, but you may or
may not see this on this week's Roses and Rose. Okay, amazing,
So we'll be looking at We'll be looking out for
your face which is on the box at the grocery store,
at the liquor store to get our tropical Rose. Yeah.
I know these these drinks are so popular right now,
but I'm telling you I've tried them all and the
(26:42):
one we created is unbelievable. I think people are gonna
love it. I know you said tastes like my tears,
but does it also taste like paradise? It does taste
a little bit like paradise. I think it goes perfect
with your favorite Monday night shell for sure. Okay, I'm
not done asking you questions about your relationship. How did
you go from her interviewing you, because she's just like
(27:02):
the bachelor beat reporter there at e t to dating,
Like where did that crossover? Did you ask her out?
We did well, kind of yes and know everything, you know,
there was a little you know, I was when I
do interviews and maybe just like you do, you just
kind of go blank and you just put a wall
up and you're just doing a job. And so I
(27:23):
had never really actually noticed her for the couple of
years she had been interviewing me. But there was one
time when we had this great conversation. It was actually
during the Tell All Angles Becas season, and we just
ran into each other in the parking lot. I was
sitting outside and drinking my tea as I usually do,
and she came up and We had a pretty in
depth conversation, but it was more personal and it was
you know, we didn't have microphones or cameras and we
(27:45):
were just talking. And it was really the first time
I noticed her and thought, Wow, this girl is She's bright,
she's smart, she's quick, she's funny, and she's really cute.
And so that led to she slid into my d
M s and and just said whatever about our conversation,
And then I asked her out, that's a cute You
guys on paper are so compatible that wit that you
(28:08):
both have, like I feel you can go back and
forth with She's, uh, she's is pretty amazing and and
you know, we both were a little reluctant because of
her job and covering the show. But I mean it's
not like she's covering the White House. You know, she's
a she's an amazing journalist and she does a phenomenal
job and still does. But she also does a million
other things, you know, on top of the Bachelor. That's
(28:30):
just a small part of what she does at et UM.
And I love that she is a part of the Bachelor,
and I love hearing her take on things. You know,
I don't share a lot about the show with her,
and so I like, I get to hear from not
only a fan, but a really good journalist of things
we're doing right, maybe things were doing wrong. She has
a great perspective of and it's been interesting to have
(28:51):
that part of her as well. How do you not
share with her the ending? Like she's truly unspoiled the
entire time. Yeah, I know some people think, oh, well,
she knows everything, but I don't. Interest My kids don't know.
I just I've I've been doing this right teen years,
and it's very simple. I just don't tell anybody. And
and I've always had that rule of if you just
(29:13):
clearly have this rule of nobody knows anything, then you
don't have to worry, and you're never gonna get tripped up,
and you're never gonna screw up, and um so, And honestly,
she tells me, I don't want to know. She likes
to approach it by watching the episodes and covering it
from a journalistic standpoint, And she tells me that it
would kind of ruin it if I told her everything.
(29:34):
She would approach her job differently and she wouldn't have
these great analytical insights and perspective of someone who's watching
it along with the rest of the world, and so um,
for those reasons, we just, you know, that's just something
we don't talk about. I mean, you know, I'll share
things about the show, about my life personally, working, but
when it comes to spoilers, she didn't want to know.
That's awesome. I do feel like you do a better
(29:56):
job reporting on the show and you don't know anything.
That's why this season has been so much fun because
it is apparently spoiler free. And now that we are here,
you know, two weeks to go, I can I am
surprised it's still spoiler free. I'm I'm surprised as well.
So that means that there is a conclusion. Is there
(30:17):
a conclusion? Uh, you know, either way, there's gonna be
a conclusion good, bad or ugly. Um, but you know it,
we'll see there's I mean, obviously there's been spoilers before,
there hasn't. Um, you know, look, I never get mad
if people talk about the show, and a lot of
the show is public now, um, you know, and even
(30:37):
you have three people at to Tell All the other night,
and you can go online and read who talks at
to Tell All? And all that. Now I wish people
wouldn't do that. It's disappointing that people wake up in
the morning or people live their life to try and
spoil other people's work. I mean, there are thousands of
people that work on this show and it is their livelihood.
(30:57):
And the fact that someone would actually live their life
to ruin that, to try and put them out of
business or screw up what they're doing is it's it's
I don't know, I guess it just never ceases to
amaze me that there's people in this world that are
like that. But there are, um you know, in any
walk of life. There's just any people who they live
to crap on what other people are doing. And you know,
(31:18):
whether you create a new show or you create some
art and someone will be the first to say, oh
you suck or this show is terrible or I hate
you know, they just want to crap on on good
and they want to crap on people's work and their creativity.
But that's that's where we live in. Do you know
that of all the seasons that we've been doing this podcast,
which we're almost up to three years, every season that
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I have been spoiled by has been from a fan
commenting under my Instagram or tuning at me the ending
and never me trying to seek out the ending, because
there's people, there's people that just I guess information makes
people feel powerful and it makes me feel like they
have worth. And by the way, if that's how you
get yourself worth, I would urge you to find something better. Um.
(32:01):
But you know, whatever gets you through the day. Um,
at the end of the day, it doesn't ruin our franchise,
it clearly, and it doesn't ruin our ratings. I think
you need to watch. And I also know that anything
on social media any spoilers. It is such a minority,
so very few people actually here or read any of
that garbage. UM. So at the end of the day,
(32:23):
most people are just watching the show for entertainment and escapism. Um.
And so hopefully it remains that for those people got you.
What about all the flag that you guys have been
getting about age. Do you think that you're going to
try to get an older Bachelor at next season to
bring the age up? Because I feel like a lot
of Bachelor Nation is blaming some of the caddy drama
(32:45):
and the lack of emphasis on a love story on age. Yeah,
I think that. You know, look, we always the show
will will always evmon flow and the pendelum will slang
in a lot of ways. But we we always sit
back and reflect on, Okay, what worked, what didn't, what
needs to change, And I think the age definitely will
(33:07):
be something we look at and it's something that I
think you have to pay attention to. Where are these
people in their life? Um, And a lot of that's
casting as well. You know, our casting department does a
great job, and sometimes it's just a matter of who
is in the pool at the time that we felt
was good and then all of a sudden, you know,
maybe we didn't look at Oh wait, all of them
are a lot younger than we normally have. We don't
(33:27):
have that great diversity as far as age because we
worry about so many other things as well now, so
it is it's not as easy as hey, let's just
make them older, because we also want really good people
that are you know, in line with what we're trying
to do. So but yeah, you know, the shortest short
answer is yeah, we'll definitely pay more attention to it,
and I think you'll see probably an older skewing uh
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group of men and women as we head forward. It
has been an honor. Thank you so much for talking
with us. You spilled a lot of tea. You really did,
did I really? I think so. I think there's a
couple of headlines in there. Oh boy, that's great. I
think it's mostly about you and Lauren. That's the problem is.
Now I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and I see these headlines.
I'm like, damn it. Why did I ever talk to as?
(34:14):
I love you? Thank you so much. Well, we'll see soon.
Sounds good. I'll talk to you later. Bye. Before we
get townly on the line, I have three bachelor headlines
this week. Bachelor in Paradise is Demi Burunette is kissing
(34:37):
a new guy. His name is Slater, you know, as
you broke up with Christian Haggardy in October, and now
she is kissing a new guy on our Instagram celebrating
her birthday with him. I guess they've been dating for
a while, and I guess this means that Demi will
not be our next bachelorette. Bachelor Nations, Hannah god When
(35:00):
and Dylan Barber reveal their secrets to love after Paradise.
The couple says, I think we just effortlessly kind of
care for one another. Hannah says, I feel like we
don't really have arguments and we're like, Okay, if you're
struggling right now, let's talk through it. Or I don't
agree with this, but this is where my head's at.
We're both not argumentative people in general, so it works
(35:21):
nicely for a relationship because they're both very open minded
when it comes to different perspectives. Dylan also says, we're
comfortable with what we do and they need to be
in front of everything all the time, isn't there We
don't really care. I think he's talking about press, media,
the spotlight right there. All right, Well, they just had
their engagement party two nights ago, and I don't know
(35:42):
if that means that the wedding is starting to be
planned or they're just celebrating their engagement from June. But
we are very happy that Hannah and Dylan are going strong.
And then we have another Oh. I should have talked
to Chris about this. He apparently just trolled everyone with
a pick of Peter Weber and his producer Julie Polaca,
(36:02):
who is the woman that all those crazy internet rumors
and a rumor that Ben and I believed at one
point are about Julie was his producer, his main producers
throughout the entire season, and Um Harrison posted this picture.
You can go to his Instagram to see it. It's
them in an airport and Julie is right behind Peter
(36:25):
and he says, knowing nothing in life, but to be
legit new album cover came out great. So basically they're
pretending to be like a rap band. I don't know
how that's trolling everybody with the pick of Julie. It's
a picture of the production team. How is this trolling?
You guys? Stop looking into everything? So crazy? Okay, you
(36:47):
guys are looking into everything. He's not trolling, he's just
taking He's showing a picture Julie. He doesn't end up
with Julie. Okay, it's not gonna happen, all right, Let's
get teny on the line from a bachelor, Timley mold On, Hello, Hi,
(37:07):
it's so good to hear you. Have you changed your
name yet? Yes? I have so, I'm Timley Leopold, but
Instagram won't let me change it. Really, yes? Is that crazy?
That is? You and Taylor have been married for almost
two years now, correct? Are you so good? Is it so? Is?
(37:28):
It's still so good. It's awesome. We're having a great
time too. But I don't know where two years is gone.
That's the craziest. We've just celebrated living in our house
that we bought last year, one year in here, and
so everything is so good. That's awesome. Can you tell
everybody about what you told me what a whimsical attachment
(37:49):
is in paradise? Because I brought up that to the
girls at Women Tell All this week. I was like,
maybe Peter was your whimsical attachment, which means that you
have to go on and find somebody else who taught
like he taught you what you need to go find
in another man. I love that you still remember it. No,
(38:09):
I think that it's stuck with you in like a really,
really good way. But I was so wrong telling you
that about thought Karen. But I so badly that I
just have to go back before I explained it, um
because I was so wrong, and I'm so glad I
was wrong. But I think in the moment, like he
was what your heart was supposed to be fixated on.
But you were you were meant to both of you
(38:31):
go grow and do your own things so that you
could be what you are today. So congratulations on all
of that and everything. But now the whimsical attachment. So
I I myself had been fixated on you know, um
signs or like little things are like this is it,
this is everything, and had a really hard time getting
(38:53):
over um a guy because I just thought, but he
was everything. He was everything I been praying for. He's
everything I thought that I should have and um, but
I mean he really wasn't now in hindsight, but I
just couldn't let go. But I was learning so much
from this person. Um. And then it happened again, like
(39:15):
another another really great guy came along, and I was like, Okay,
you're everything and more than that guy and thought, um,
I gotta let go or I couldn't let go. But um,
then when I realized this is just a whimsical attachment,
Like I'm just like whimsically um fast or like I'm
(39:35):
in love with the idea of this person versus um
like really like he's not my person, but I'm in
love with the idea of it. But it's just always
going to get greater from there. Like I said about
you and Jared. I was wrong, but it got greater
from there because you both were meant to have like
that growth time and really come together and learn like
(39:59):
that you were meant for each other. So yeah, So basically,
you find qualities in somebody that you never thought you wanted,
and then you learned from that person to go find
that quality in somebody else. Anyway, you guys, I thought
that I would just you don't bring that up with
Tony because it meant a lot to me at the time,
and I feel like it could mean a lot to
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you girls out there who are single or with a
guy that you think like you want to be with
but he's not showing signs and he wants with you
or what not? What you know what I mean? Yeah,
just go ahead and uh put your heart into those
qualities of for sure, like setting your standards and then
not backing down once you've met some because I really
(40:41):
do believe there's always something greater than you can imagine.
So if it's not in the moment um, it could
very well be later on or just somebody very different
than he's even better for you. So hang on to
that hope. So you guys, um Tenley was on j
Pell Vacasies. My year was that well lastinutely filmed, but
(41:04):
two thou ten, so it's been like a decade and
the original pilot season, yes, the pilot season, but the
original of the pilots between Peter and Jake. Yeah, you
were runner up. You also did Bachelor pad and then
my season Bachelor in Paradise too. How do you feel
like the show has evolved since your time on it? UM, Well, obviously,
(41:29):
I don't know. I always hear you guys talking about
how like Crystal season, the season you were on, was
like the year you all came out and like had
really great um luck and response from social media, and
I agree with that, but it's weird because I think
it kind of like subtily was beginning um back in
(41:50):
two ves and ten. Um, Like I've I feel like
I've been so grateful to be working kind of on
the side with through Twitter and stuff and grow into Instagram.
But it's different, and I do think that that his
big comes a greater um, a greater difference for sure
over the last ten years of what somebody can get
(42:12):
out of the show, the recognition, the jobs that inst
the famous or whatever you want to call it um,
so that that is absolutely different UM. And I think
it's it's hard to totally like it's hard for us
as viewers to even see that genuine pull because we're
all very aware of what can happen, um, and then
(42:33):
the storytelling is just different. UM. I think we we
always forget that that we do get a lot of
the drama up front, and then you start to get
to know the couple or the potential of the couple
and some of the girls a little bit closer. But
I feel like this year especially has been really hard
to see any bit of investment between Peter and the
girls and I and then some of me. Some of
(42:56):
that is I wonder if it has to do with
the genuine, in like approach to these people being a
part of the show. Does that make sense? Yeah, Oh,
it makes total sense. I feel like all of us
are pretty attached and see what he has with Madison.
I actually even think that we we see what he
has with Victoria, which is like a frenzy. I don't understand.
(43:17):
You don't mean I mean we see it though we
said that there's something, there's a connection, there's like an
intense pull towards each other to work it out, you know,
but I he's almost attracted to drama, right, yeah, or
he he loves the conflict. He almost likes conflict and
relationship because it keeps it interesting and even admits to that.
(43:39):
But I really, and I'm not. This is nothing against
Hannah Anne herself. I truly am not even I'm not
feeling their connection at all. Are you feeling it? No? No, no, no,
uh yeah no not at all. I feel like she's
she's kind of she's definitely, she's so beautiful, she's so sweet,
(44:00):
But I just feel like it's stale. I feel like
even there um there before the fantasy suite, there dinner portions,
by the way, just pointing out you probably noticed it.
Madison had this big, old, beautiful dinner set up and
both Victoria and Hannah, Hannah it was like no plates
on the table, no drinks, and like let's get to
(44:21):
the bedroom or like let's cut the budget here. I
don't know, but anyway, Hannah and just looked so there
was like this anxiousness, there was this like it just
wasn't it wasn't easy. I know that you are a
very faithful woman. How do you feel that Madison is
handling the no sex before marriage ultimatum. It was there
(44:42):
calling it okay, I have so much to say about this,
so please cut me off or jump in or what No, Okay,
we'll see where it goes. I've been thinking about it
a lot, but um one, I feel like she kind
of lost her confidence with Peter because she wasn't necessarily
straight up with telling him um that she like, she
(45:08):
wasn't straight up. She didn't come out and say, hey,
I'm waiting for marriage. Yo. Girl. We had Harrison on
before you came on and he was said the same thing.
He was like. We were like, okay, yeah, this is
your time. Go talk to him after the Rose ceremony,
tell him everything. And she didn't tell him that, and
that was so critical to be honest critical. I mean,
I don't want to I don't want to say that
(45:28):
Peter messed up here. He should never have to assume anything.
But if I were him, I would have been like, Okay,
she's twenty three, she's expressed her faith, she's talking about
me about this. I would put the things together and
be like, she's probably a virgin, and I would probably
ask right, but maybe he I mean because Hannah was
a woman of faith but had no problem in you know, like,
so I feel like it's really so yeah. So first
(45:51):
of all, she lost her confidence and just didn't tell him,
and I think that would have been so much easier
for him to understand her heart. And really, as I
was watching, because I don't think it's an ultimatum that
she's offering, which so they can keep calling it that,
but I think more of what she was thinking is, dude,
if you if I'm your girl, then you're not going
to have a problem not having sex with these other women,
(46:13):
because that's how her mind thinks. Yes, well, so with
the whole like Luke and Hannah, we do not need
to talk about that. As I was watching that back
last year, I was like, I never asked Jake like
if he was having sex with other people in the
Dynasy suite, because with the conversations we had alone, I
(46:33):
was led to believe that we were completely in stinc
um with the way that we thought, the way that
our faith was, and that was just what Jake had
shared with me, and so I assumed that we were
going to be on the same page and I never
even brought it up. I never said sorry, having sex
with RG or whatever, and um, I never even thought
to think about it. And then later when I watched
(46:54):
the shows, like, I'm glad I didn't end up with
this guy because it was different. But like, I think
you can hand it that the conversation didn't go well,
but I get why he asked, and I feel like
Madison was just trying to say, hey, like, so these
are my personal standards. I would love it if you
If I'm your girl, you don't need anybody else. You
(47:15):
don't need to test the waters if that's what you're doing. Um,
you don't need a fun romp like with these other
girls because I'm your girl. Based on the conversating based
on the conversation that he has during the dinner portion
of their fantasy suitet day, which we don't know what
it leads to because it gets cut off at dinner
in this episode, but during that conversation, he makes it
(47:37):
seem like he really wasn't sure who he was going
to pick and that's why he decided to go with it.
So what you think that, Yeah, you think that you
just thought it was gonna be a fun, fun time.
I watched I watched it with my husband and who
has the same values as me, like and going into
(47:58):
marriage and everything. And he was like, oh, he just
he missed it. He didn't, he wasn't he wasn't thinking
about Madison. He but it wasn't that he was thinking
this is just what we thought like that. It wasn't
that he was confused about who he was choosing. It
seems like he adores Madison. You can kind of tell
(48:18):
in that, like with the whole setup, like her dinner
was candlelit and they did everything for the table. They
made it look so special, and um, the other girls
really didn't have that, And so he just kind of
phil led to believe that he's pretty into Madison. She's
the one, and that he he just kind of was
(48:40):
going for it because that's what you do in the
fantasy sweeps, and the other girls didn't have those boundaries,
so why not, Like I feel like you just kind
of got lost in the moment, as I think it's
really easy to do if you if that's just not
if that's how you will know you're right. When Jared
and I were watching it, he was like, oh, dude,
why could you not is keeping in your pants the
(49:01):
other two dates? But then how could he not like
how I'm just I'm thinking that the only way he
did that and didn't keep it in his pants is
because he really was confused and didn't know who's going
to pick. But if he really just totally disregarded what
she asked him, mind boggle. But but I don't feel
(49:24):
like she really I don't think she gave it. That's
the other thing. I feel like it falls into Madison
and her losing her confidence in front of him in
whatnot saying Hey, I'm waiting, I'm saving myself for marriage.
In that moment at the hangar um after the road ceremony,
when she had that open door to say, give either
my standards. This is where I'm not. I haven't I
am a virgin, and um, I don't necessarily have these
(49:47):
expectations of you. But I think that if we were,
but this is what you should know, and he would
have had a completely different perspective going into the fantasy
sweet dates with the other girls. I think he I
really think he would have been thinking more of Addison
in that way versus she just doesn't want me to
do with these other girls, which totally makes sense. No
(50:08):
girl wants that. No girl wants to be back to
back like in anything, and so I do feel like
she kind of missed that door fatal flawf not telling
him she was a virgin up fronts. All right, Tenley,
thank you so much for all your thoughts and for
coming on the podcast. I really appreciate you to talk
to you soon. I'll talk to you soon. Thank you.
(50:29):
By all right, guys, let's take a break, and then
we're going to surprise the American Idol contestant. Before we
surprise this idle contestant, I want you guys to get
some context. So Mark is going to play the clip
(50:49):
of Ryan Seacrest talking to Megan and her expressing her
love for Ben Higgins's did you Peter the Pilot? Did
you like? I love Peter the Pilot. I'm excited for him,
but Ben Higgins is my favorite. Then Higgins is dreaming
born to be the Bachelor. Oh the cross promotion babies,
she loves it. Alright, should we get her on the phone? Mark?
(51:11):
Are you ready? I'm ready? And she's on hold. We
have to have been on home, so you got to
wait and get every all of our duction use I'm
gonna say, how do you like this? Actually ill said Hi.
I'm with HI Radio. It's nice to meet you. Congratulations
on going to Hollywood. That's great. Oh. You know what,
before I ask you any questions, there is somebody on
the line who wants to talk to you. Okay, okay, good, right, okay,
we go. Hi Megan, Hi, Hi Megan. It's Mark with
(51:33):
II Hour Radio. How are you good? How are you good?
Thank you? I'm so sorry to keep you on hold
there for a few minutes. Um, do you have a
second here? Yeah, okay, great, we have a few questions
for you. But you know what, actually, before I ask
you any questions, there's somebody else here who wants to
say hi to you. Okay, are you Megan? It's been here.
How are you doing? Wait? No, no, no, no, no
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at all? Oh my god, what how are you doing? Megan?
Congratulations on everything. I I'm super pumped to be talking
to you. You don't understand. My heart is just elevated
so much. It's just a joke, right, Oh, I definitely
not a joke. I would recognize the voice anywhere, Megan.
(52:19):
You are on the Benn and Nashley almost famous podcasts. No,
I'm oh my god, stop stop dopp you're joking. Oh
my god, Oh Dag and uh we are. We are
huge fans of you. Uh, you have blown up. Oh
(52:42):
of course, I've gotten so many videos sent to me.
Ashley and I were so excited to talk to you today.
Congratulations on everything so far. We had to get you
on the podcast making because I'm not kidding. I've gotten
more text and more emails and more messages in the
last twenty four hours and any other time in my life.
Oh my, I'm guys, I'm featless and that does not
(53:05):
happen to me. Oh my god. Well, I'm so glad
that you saw the cliffs. Clearly, I'm a big fan
of both of you. Yeah, I'm sorry actually that you
didn't get a little montage within my Uh it's okay,
we suff Oh my god, this is crazy. So what
(53:30):
do you think about this season? You want to give
us a little bit of your thoughts? Absolutely, absolutely, Okay.
I'm waiting for some girl to to come through for me,
because I'm not crazy about anyone right now. If I'm
gonna pull for anyone, it's gonna be Madison. Um. But
(53:50):
I'm honestly up for some Hannaby drama. I want her
to enter. I wanted her to enter from the Star
I to here to go back in the house. Hannah
By is my favorite bachelorette UM and I'm i'm I
love her and I thought Peter was gonna win last season,
(54:11):
and then he didn't. I was really surprised. I think
she regrets it. I think he does well. I think
does Megan. We gotta ask you, though, I mean, so
you have your own podcast, give us a little give
it a little shout out here on the almost Famous podcast.
But then also if you if you really believe that
Hannah By could step up and be the Bachelorette again,
(54:32):
can you give her a sales pitch because at this point,
I believe, at the beginning of the season, I'm not
believing it anymore that she is the best choice for Bachelorette.
Who do you think is the best choice? I mean,
if Maddie doesn't get chosen, I think it has to
be Maddie. If Maddie does get chosen, then I think
reaching back into like the Tassia's TIA's that world. I
(54:52):
would love Pia. Oh. I was such a big fan
of person um. But yeah, that's that's a definitely good
a good, good choices, good choices. Um, I don't know.
I think hannahby she's just like been through it and
I want her to I want her to go to
rise up. I want like I love story for her.
So you do want her to be the Bachelorette again? Well,
(55:15):
that would be like my sales pitch, except for I
don't think she's going to be, you know, I because
she added more dates to her dancing with the Star
Wars store and it would happen during I mean, here's
the thing though, and I think we're touching on something
that most people we talked to our feeling and including
Ashley and I. We had high hopes for Peter. I
still like Peter, actually still likes Peter as a person,
(55:37):
but this season it's just kind of missed it for us,
Like there's been very little attachment to it. Are you
feeling that way, Yes, definitely feeling that way. I still
I had really high hopes for Peter, to be honest,
then I saw a lot of qualities that you possess
in Peter, so I was excited for him. I was like,
all right, he's gonna up up to the plate um.
(56:02):
But it's it's been a little different. He's made some
questionable choices, which I know you guys have talked about
on the podcast. Um so it's been a little different.
I'm not attached to any girls like I usually am
in this season. Um so I'm really interested to find out,
especially tonight. Chris Harrison made an interesting post that tonight
(56:25):
when like the real the real story starts so on
the podcast. Yeah, so I'm very interested to see what
goes down in this top three. Um and yeah, and
what unfold. There's just like Colton season, there's gonna be
a bomb dropped at the very end, and I have
no idea what's going to happen. Well, Megan, I know
(56:50):
you live in Brooklyn, New York. Uh, do me a
favor if if you have the chance, please come say
hi to meet when we come through town for the
Bachelorive on stage. After this call, I'll have somebody from
my heart reach out and get you some tickets, and
then please come say hi and hang out with me
before the show. Is that okay? That would make all
of my dreams come true. I would absolutely love it.
(57:15):
It would be a blast. Uh, Megan, before we go,
please promote anything you're a part of, right now, including
American Idol and also your podcast. Tell our listeners where
they can find you. Yeah, sure, um so my podcast,
that's a very generous word to call it. I just
call him a little recap there on my sound cloud.
(57:36):
Um under, I watched The Bachelor and you don't care.
That is the name of it. Little recap by Megan.
Um and then I'm currently yes in Brooklyn and um
just gigging around. I'm actually releasing an EP a month
from today, March. It's called all Over the Place. Um
(57:58):
so check that out. It'll be on Spotify and all
of the streaming services. But just keep up with me
through my Instagram, which is Megan fit In m E
G h N Megan and F I T T O
N awesome. Thanks Megan. Well, hey, Ashley and I love
American Idol. We're a big fan of. Oh my gosh, Megan,
(58:21):
everything I should tell you before you leave. I used
to have a heart Idle on my license plate. Oh
my god. I was obsessed. I used to paint my
car every finale with who I voted for, and I
would say vote like for example, I can see in
(58:41):
my head I was like vote Blake. Even though I
love Jordan Sparks. So it was vote Blake and then
I had the number to dial to vote and now
I recorded Ryan Seacres Studio. It's very cool. That amazing
thing I've ever heard. That's gonna say. It's pretty on brand.
And I don't know you personally, but it sounds pretty astley.
(59:04):
Thank you. It's very true to me. Hey, thank you
for being a guest in the almost famous podcast. We
appreciate you. We're rooting for you. And please, please please
come see The Bachelor live on stage we come through
New York. I will be there and thank you for
literally the best surprise of my life. I don't know.
I don't know what's going to top this, to be honest,
(59:26):
You're very sweet. Thanks Began. Hey, bet right bye, Ben.
While we still have you on the line, I just
want to ask you how the past week has been
for you wild Actually, we've had a big week. We've
gone through just listen to it. So in the last
eight days, we've been in Mesa, Reno, Santa Rosa, San jose, A,
(59:48):
Salt Lake City, Modesto, Cheyenne, and Denver, and now I
find myself in Tucson, Arizona. Actually I don't know if
you've heard this or not. I'll send you a video here.
In a set get in Salt Lake City, I was
on stage and during one of the dancing numbers, I
went and stepped in my knee completely dislocated in front
of the docket in two different places on stage, and
(01:00:11):
I had to hobble off pop it back end. I'll
show you. I'll show you the video. It is. It
is nasty. Popped it back in yourself, your knee. That
sounds like something that a doctor we need to handle.
It was pretty gross, but hey, the show must go on.
We are having a good time here on the road.
But we are definitely on the road. I'm I did
(01:00:31):
not expect. I mean, yeah, we've been up and down
this country already, but we're having a great, a great time.
Vachel Nation has responded really well. Um but uh, but
it's it's a lot of work. Hey, but I'm happy
to be talking to you. Actually, Uh, continue just to
h to carry this podcast because I appreciate it. You
know you sound just fine. Now. It could have had
you on the entire episode. I know, I know, Um,
(01:00:56):
but U yeah, what a fun time talking to Megan.
I got the New it's on the rundown with Chris
what an interview. Uh, that's some that's some juicy stuff.
And uh and Ashley, Uh yeah, I'm just really proud
of you. Thank you. I'm proud of you. I mean,
I just don't know how you're doing what you're doing.
I'm just gonna be mind Bible to buy it forever. Uh,
(01:01:18):
You're the best. Ash Well, Hey, is this the end
of the podcast now? Yeah? It is, so we can
sign off the way we know it only would this
feels nice. I needed this this week, act. I needed
to hear your voice. Hi. I have another co host
on stage, but Ashley, you're my first co host and
I missed your voice. So with that, I've been there
(01:01:38):
as bye, guys, Fanks too much. Follow the Benn and
Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe
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