Staying in Our Lane with Carly & Evan

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Almost Famous podcast with on our radio. Hey guys, welcome
to you Almost Famous podcast. It's actually Ben won't be
joining us for a little while, but he will be here,
I promise you. Until then, I have my friends, Evan
asked in Carly Woodell on the podcast with me, We're
going to talk about what what you guys are up

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to before we jump into recapping the Bachelor at You
guys do a great job live tweeting in every week.
I know that's like one of Evan's passions in life.
So I'm happy to have you break down the episode
with us um So, before we got on air, I
was talking to them about wedding planning and how hectic
it's it's been the past couple of weeks, because it's
just the small little details and it's like, oh you

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forgot that, Oh you forgot that. And then Evans said
it was like, and that's like having a kid, and
how how is that? How is that? So the money,
it's just like your wallet has got a hole in
it and it just doesn't come back. It's like, Dad,
can I have money for this and this and this
and this and this and this, and then it just
keeps going and then I just buy all the things
for Bella. So yeah, especially when they're like extra crigular activities,

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it's like, you know, soccer, and then and you know,
you're like, oh, it's like, you know, a hundred fifty
dollars for soccer fee, that's not fine. And then all
of a sudden it's like, oh, but I need new
cleats every single season. And then you're like, oh, this
Disney Princess doll is cute. To get this one too.
She doesn't have a snow wipe. She does have a Cinderella,
But what's another Cinderella? Everybody needs to Cinderella? And how
many times there's too many times to go to Disneyland.

(02:15):
The lion does not exist. Oh see, I think the
limon on Disneyland absolutely exists. What it's like once a year,
and I don't know, maybe I'm an adult, but every
time you go with a kid, they don't appreciate it.
They just wine and cry the entire time and complain.
And there's the lines, and the food is astronomically expensive
and not you only get to ride two or three

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rides the entire day because the lines irrelevant, irrelevant. So
you guys like you, you just enjoy it fully. Well
I mean yes, yeah, I mean no, you're right about
the rides you end up doing to actually right about
everything you said. We just kind of overlook it because
we're walking around with huge smiles on our faces, even

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if our kids are squirm and mad and need a nap. Yeah,
but you don't do it for Bella. At this age,
I can see you guys doing it for the boys,
the boys that are are at a great age. No,
we will show her these pictures until the end of time.
Remember this time, we were such good parents. That's true. Though.
I have pictures from when our first trip to Disney World.

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I must have been five and Larned was maybe two,
and the pictures are adorable and they stay with me forever,
Like I feel like I remember the trip because the pictures. Well,
um does Bella like, can you see a reaction from
her at this point? Like what she doesn't get like
mesmerized by and what she doesn't well, it's mostly fear
of the people that are dressed up in costumes. Yeah,

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we haven't done like the the big expensive things in Disney,
which are like the lunches with all the princesses and
things like that, because that's just we want to do
that when she will remember it. But she likes it's
a small world. And one day I made the mistake
of saying, Bella, go and choose a princess plushed all
off of this track, and then she chose like four,

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and I couldn't say no, don't go it at with
a kid, don't say just choose have your way, because
they will get them all. She totally understands that statement,
go choose what you want. Oh yeah, only a year
and a half, you guys. And Bella gets whatever she
wants until she doesn't for right now. She gets whatever
she wants that's durable, and she get preferential treatment because

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she's the girl of the bunch of You have three sons, Liam,
Ensley and Nathan, and then there's Bella. She gets like
all the special girly A treatment everything, yeah, literally everything.
Those boys will do anything for her, mostly because whenever
whenever they walk into a room, she like lights up
and freaks out and like just it's just so happy

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to see that seals and it's like the cutest thing
you've ever seen. We really need to get that on
video somehow. That like her like high pitched squeal when
she sees the boys walking the room. So that is
so cute, so cute. Um, you guys, you have a
couple of things going on, one being there's a new

(05:11):
baby in Curly's belly. Oh yeah, it's moving around. You
know the sex of that baby, right, yes, but we're
Evan's keeping it hostage, the secret hostage. I know. So
your guys were telling me at our Craton Barrel Bridle
Shower a couple of weeks ago that Evan insists on
having a gender reveal party just for the boys to

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have the boys witness had this gender reveal party yet no, look,
does it ever going to happen? I don't No, it
wasn't two weeks, I said a few weeks ago. It's
probably like a month. I don't know that this is
ever going to happen. But until then, I'm swarmed to secrecy.
It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. Maybe, why have you

(05:55):
not made plans over for you? Plans I'm just waiting
on permits and certain permits approval. I'm not even filming
this thing. That's going to take freaking three different things
people groups of people to approve. And it's just he
can't do anything small or boring, said, you guys did

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witness maybe the most epic gender reveal what Jared and
I did for Jade and Tanner on our reality are
YouTube reality show What Now? You guys? Can you guys
all listening can go and watch how Jade and Tanner
found out that they were having a boy this time
around on the show What Now? And Carly and Evan
were there and Evan must have seen that and been like,

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all right, well I have to be this plain thing.
And yeah, you're right. We had to sign a lot
of papers for that. Yeah. Yeah, you challenged him and
he's taken the challenge. Actually, what do you think we're having?
Obviously I'm not going to tell you yes or no,
but what is your my gut as you're having a boy? O? Man,

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that's what you felt about Jade two? Yeah? I know, man,
I don't know. Are you so strong? Un? I don't know. Okay,
we'll find out soon enough, I hope maybe gosh and
less it comes out before we ever actually do this thing.
I know November November is the due date. Yeah, November four.
How is it with the second kid together rather than

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you know, the the first, Because are you like just
more stressed and you more relaxed? You're less stressed, you're
more relaxed. Do you do less? Planning? Is like the
nursery not a thing? Oh yeah, it's not. I mean
all of the Yeah, you have all the stuff from
the first baby, so at least that's in there. But no,
it just sits there. I don't know when that room

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will good time, or if it ever will I don't know.
I mean really, the baby is just like in the
basse edent next year bed for like a year anyway,
so you don't use that room for anything un till
the baby is like one, unless you move it over early.
Like just Instagram fodder at this day, like this day
and age, like people just do like the full blown

(08:08):
nursery show, like I care about my child, yeah, and
I just can't. I care about myself more right now,
Like that stresses me out. I'm trying to destress this pregnancy. Yeah,
I mean it's it's started out the same way as
Bella is, like totally sick, so sick. But I'm feeling
better now, um, which is really good. I'm twenty weeks

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this week, which is half away. I've made it to
the halfway mark, so now I just gotta keep plugging
along here. You guys, Carly is like the opposite of
every pregnant woman. When she gets pregnant, she gets like
skinny and she's just well, you're always beautiful, but like
you are like a Bella bella vampire. This is why.

(08:57):
Because I don't drink. The only reason I ever gain weight,
it's not from eating, it's from drinking because I love wine.
So when I'm pregnant and don't drink, there's no like
and it's it's just been hard for me to eat
because I've been nauseous. But I'm I mean, I did
eat a whole pizza today, like wine more than food. Yes,

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that's mine boggling to me, not understand. Yes, I almost
wish that's how I was. Yeah, I really love wine.
It's just like it has my heart. And have you
tried Caitlin Bristo's new one yet? If I was sitting
in front of me, I would take a sip. I'm
not that crazy, but I told her I'm very excited

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to try it. I hope that she came to the
hospital last time, um when we had Bellas. I'm hoping
she comes this time, and I'm hoping she brings some
of that wine along. She came to the hospital. Isn't
that so sweet? That is so cute. But she's like,
you know, Caitlin and Bees. It's just she's gonna be
the best mom ever. I know. She has like this

(10:04):
weird like baby since that when you don't have a baby,
I don't even know how you get that. I did
not have that she has this little squat thing that
she does like instantly calms the baby down, and that
I didn't I don't have I didn't have that. I
still don't think I really have that. But Caitlin, she's
got it. Man. Well, when I was on your podcast,
Um Mommies Tell All, I was like super emotional because

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I was like, I don't know if I have the
mom Jeane like, I'm just not like I know, I
don't know because when I it's because when I see
Jared with kids, he's so natural with them. He has
no worry or fear. I think that I'm going to
break them. I don't want to make them cry. And
Jade and Carly were so nice at reassuring me that
this is something I haven't I'll really know it when

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I have the kids. It's so it really is so trick.
I didn't even like I had really bad fear upholding
other people's babies and actually kind of still have that fear, okay,
because that's my thing. I don't volunteered on other kids,
and that's okay, Like what if you dropped them, It's
very scary. If you drop your own kid, it's not
as scary. Not that I just cry. It's gonna make

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me feel like they don't like me, and I don't
want to feel unliked by a child. I gin that's
the ultimate determinant of like your character. Right, Although babies
cry all the time, actually babies don't cry when Evans around,
which is super annoying. Babies crying I'm around. See that's
Jaron and it's a mad thing. Well, it's also because
Evan has a parental experience, that's true. But he just

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loves he loves kids, and he's like really good to
be like I don't know, making the faces and like
Aran does. Yeah, I can't do that. I feel silly.
To make it happen, you have to make them happy.
You have to like will it into existence. If you don't,
if you don't have the dedication like I'm going to
make this baby like me, then it's hard to do.
And then was the only one who could combella down

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like at the beginning, Yeah, I just up. I was like, here,
take my boob, and that's all I got. You have
one other thing we got to talk about before we
talk about the episode. You have a new jewelry line
that's what's called and where people can get it. Reviver
Jewelry UM and is with Jade. Jade and I started

(12:20):
this and we uh have Ashley Amu who has her charity,
the Shine Project, and she is our third partner. But
it's really cool. It's UM. It's a jewelry line. It's
five different words right now, UM on a necklace and
the front says I am and the back says uh,
five different words. But it's an empowering woman empowerment UM

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daily reminder of that you can just you can do it,
you know, Like I feel like we tell ourselves all
the time the negative things about ourselves, and we should
be really putting positivity towards ourselves and towards gosh, everybody else.
So it's good for yourself, it's good for a gift,
and you can find it. I'm Reviber Jewelry on Instagram

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and it's just really pretty and it's super pretty. That's right. Shoot,
was stunning. That was like the most I've ever felting
myself and I were just talking about this the other day.
I felt like moon goddess, warrior woman. I don't know
that's what you looked like. You looked a man. I
felt more myself than I ever had super dreamy and

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speaking of dreams, while you are on the podcast a
couple of months ago promoting your album of lullabies which
is up on iTunes called dream Train. Yes, man, this
has been quite a year. I know you have so
many things coming out. All right, we gotta take a
break now and then we're going to dive into the
episode before we move on. We got a little gift

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from Chris Harrison this week. Chris Harrison got something for
Jared and I off our great and Barrel registry. Isn't
that sweet? It's like the nicest, coolest, uh statement piece.
Mirror is so awesome. I never remember we have to
write him a little bit of a thank you, but
it was really cool to get a gift from Chris
Harrison from our Cretan Barrel Registry. I think I'm gonna
put it in our in the hallway. But Jared and

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rug and the softest bath mat makes my every day
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just looks like more presentable. So thanks to all the
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what was your biggest takeaway from the episode? I have
to that I really feel like we have to dive
into you, but I want your opinions first. Um, none
of the men are listening to Hannah. That's my bad. Okay, Yes,
because they continue with the drama. Yeah, I mean no,

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they're just like in these one on one conversations like
she's like, hey, I want you to open up, and
they're like, yes, I would love to open up. That
would be a great idea to open up. But then
they just don't. It's like, well, except for Tyler. I
think Tyler is doing it. But I was like, I
always like, I thought, this has been the best group
of guys since like Jared season, and now this week
I was a little bit disappointed in them. You said

(18:08):
Jared season, Now you didn't even include your own season. No,
absolutely true, but you are actually correct. For all you
out there listening, if you don't remember, Evan was from
Joejoe's season, I do think that Jojo season may have
been the most lacking in quality men in our recent times.

(18:30):
Tend to agree with that. Yeah, we got you and Wells,
that's pretty good. Yeah whatever whatever. You guys are the
most like memorable people from that season, and you were
eliminated quite early on. I don't remember, I mean other
than Jordan and we all. I like Jordan very much,
so we're not including Jordan in this. He was the winner.

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So you think that guys aren't opening up sometimes, I
do feel like that's like a very hard thing. I
want you to open up. It's like, well, what about
what it's like as specific questions and then people will
give you genuine answers. I agree with that. No, I
feel like they're more right now they're in that. I
just don't think anyone's like feeling it with Hannah. I
just feel like they're they're just sitting there and you know,

(19:12):
sort of pairing back what they want her to hear.
But they're having there's I just we're not getting a
lot of dialogue, real good dialogue on the screen right now.
Maybe it's happening off camera, but I just don't like,
I just don't feel it, Like don't you feel like
every time every season when we get like serious one
on one time, it just feels like fluff and like
open up. And I feel like he opened up and
I'm like, well, what do you mean? I want like

(19:34):
a direct question and a direct answer back. I feel
like the word if somebody said, actually wants you to
open up to me. Actually I've been I've been asked
this by a a non romantic character and bachelor history
in regards to me, Like he one time said like
I want you to I want to know you. I
want you to open up and I'm like, I literally

(19:55):
have no idea how to respond to So how do
you want to know about it? Yeah? Like about what? Yeah? Yeah,
there's so many things that we could talk about. What
do you want me specifically to talk about and then
we can talk about that? Yeah, Like like I want
to know about your dating history. It's like, okay, well
I'll start from here, because yeah, there's a million questions

(20:16):
that could be asked, but none of them are being asked.
Like in the date with Peter the Pilot, you know,
she was like talking about opening up, and just like
Evan said, he was like, oh, yeah, I would love
to open up to you, Like opening up is like
the greatest thing to get to know someone. But like, honestly,

(20:36):
there was until I mean the date at night where
he talked about how he had a relationship. He didn't
even delve deep into that. So I don't know. I'm
kind of like, what, You've got a fair point though, actually,
I mean maybe that's just we're just not seeing it.
But I feel like the idea of love is the
biggest what everyone's in love with right now. Okay, that's

(20:58):
that's it seems like I just feel like opening up
has become a bachelor cliche. And even if we get answered,
like even if we see them open up, of course,
we only get to see fifteen minutes of the date,
and we know how long the dates actually are and
how you actually do connect on these dates, but you
barely get to see the best parts of them. I

(21:20):
just got word that we have been on the line.
Then everybody clause. Guys, I'm super pumped to be talking
to you. I'm sorry, I'm a little late. I had
to travel back to Indiana to my hometown to spend
the fourth of July. Here, we're both we're both on

(21:41):
the in our hometowns for for a fourth of July.
That's so sweet. Anyway, you're taking over pleasn't Then we
were just talking about the cliches of opening up on
the show. But we haven't really gotten into the details
of this episode, the steamy sauna make out between Hannah

(22:03):
and Peter. We haven't gotten to the naked bungee jumping,
or of course, the Luke pe drama this week that
was really brought upon by the Garrett naked date. So
let's go. Let's let's go chronological order here and start
with the Peter day I think we all like Peter.
We think he's a sweet Ben Higgins like man, I
feel like he continues to prove to be more and

(22:25):
more ben Like every week. There's just that boyish charm
about him, a genuine sweetness. He's very wholesome in Americana,
and I definitely see him being the next Bachelor if
we if he doesn't end this thing with Hannah. What
do you guys think about that date? I want to
start this real quick. How does a guy? Now? I'm

(22:47):
a huge Peter fan. I think we all are. But
here is a unique dynamic that we see in this
show or in life in general. Peter is a wholesome.
We call him wholesome. We think he's sweet. He should
get down in the sauna. Yeah, we might even refer
to him as like innocent. Yeah, he gets a sauna
scene and I still view him the same way, innocent,

(23:10):
sweet and wholesome. How does that? What is that? I
don't no idea. It's his face and the way it's yeah, well,
and he doesn't. I mean, he's sweet, but he doesn't
say much. He keeps it very like even Keel, So
there's nothing I don't know, Like if he said a
statement that was like, he's careful with his words. Yeah,

(23:34):
he's good at choosing words. We just know that he
likes flying planes. Yeah, well he doesn't really like that.
So let me be the devil devil's advocate for all
of us on this because I think this is an
interesting conversation and one that I wanted to bring up
this week. I step into this podcast at a time
where you all are talking about fluff and that you're
not really finding out anything about these guys. Because I'm

(23:56):
under the impression and I believe that on this show
you could make it for most of the whole experience
without ever saying anything of meaning to anybody. You can
answer around issues, you can say the right thing, You
can have a bunch of hour long conversations and act
like you care. At some point. That catches up with you.
Every season, it does, and it will. But with Peter,

(24:18):
you're saying things like and and again I'm a Peter fan,
but you're saying things like, he says the right things,
He chooses his words carefully, he doesn't say a lot.
Isn't that what you're just complaining about where we're not
really finding out anything? But yet he is a fan favorite.
You know what, I think, I insturation before. I have

(24:40):
explained the sprustation before, and I'm falling for it. I
suppose um, Carly and I totally weren't the people saying
the right things. We said a lot of controversial things.
People didn't always like us at the end of the day.
For the majority of Bachelor Nation, I feel like they came.
They they had a liking for us, but it wasn't
like we got through easy. And I think we are

(25:02):
like people who I have to say, are kind of
fun and interesting to watch because we aren't always perfect,
but we're never the most beloved, like the ben Higgins,
like the Peters who do always say the right thing
and never mess up. It's a different kind of like yeah,
and it might even open us up to I would

(25:24):
say that when you try to say the right thing
for long enough, you finally well, yes, you get boring.
But you also when you do say one thing wrong,
then everybody reacts in an over dramatic way. Right, So
we kind of have this thing in politics right now,
right where if you say the wrong thing often enough,

(25:45):
you stop caring and nobody really ever criticizes you because
they just expected out of you. But I would say that,
for example, I told two women I loved them. That's
a big deal. Is it should be a big deal.
People should react to that, But it's not the biggest deal.
We see it almost every season now. We know that
most people are feeling it. But I think because the

(26:06):
line of the line was set so far on the
other side of doing anything wrong, that when you finally
do anything controversial, everybody erupts in a more dramatic way.
Would you guys agree as we did? You want us
to go opposite? You know we're good, we can agree. Hey,

(26:28):
I want to walk us through a few things here
and then I'm gonna pass it off to you guys
to kind of lead us to the rest. I have
a few things that I'm really passionate about, and because
I'm late, I'm just gonna take this over because um
that's what I do. I guess, um I walk into
conversation once again. You guys a talking about fluff. Here
is my, uh my strongest opinion from this episode. Garrett

(26:48):
has yet to tell me anything of meaning through the
whole season. He talks about others. He does it as much,
if not more than Luke. He seems to be very
caught up in that he can say the right thing
at the right moment. He's standing naked with Hannah bungee jumping.
That's the easiest day in the history of that Bachelor
world to ever do well, Like, how are you going
to do that wrong? Just don't look at her too often,

(27:09):
don't say anything sexist, or don't say anything too weird.
Hold er tight and jump out of this thing. I
got to interrupt you. That is so much different for
a guy. We have to talk about the appropriateness of
this date. Okay, I have can I can we go
into it? Of course? Okay. So I would never be

(27:30):
okay with being naked on a date where I still
had other guys in the competition. Actually, I would never
be okay being naked unless I was like dating the guy.
Actually dates. They tried to make me be naked for
in my best Yes, the days Crystals, trying to make
me be naked, the day with Evan when we painted

(27:51):
try to make me be naked. They're always trying to
make me be naked. There's nothing more liberating than having
sex on camera. By the way, there this happened and
we didn't know about it didn't you know, you know,
you know, secret in one of the boom boom rooms
right in my bedroom smiling. I remember currently talking about

(28:14):
that sex session. But they try to make people do it.
It's just a matter of if you'll do it or not.
So Hannah went on Instagram story last night and she said,
I have something very secret to let you guys in on.
Oh gosh, underwear on Yes, okay, I knew it. I
knew it too, But then they really played tricks with

(28:36):
the camera. Well they didn't show that area though. They
showed her upper area but not yeah, but they were
trying to show like high thigh on both of them
to show that there wasn't any underwear. They're They're good.
They are good. All I can think about. We've had
these conversations before and and Evan, I need you to
join in here because this is an area and expertise expertise.

(28:58):
I was watching this and I had two thoughts. One
is I don't love because I've been in this situation
that it felt to me. Now I'm on the side
of of most of the probably the normal men in
the world that say, Hannah, do what you want to do,
like this is your deal, you're dating these guys, have fun,
go wild, get naked for me and and I think

(29:20):
we've talked about the podcast before. I don't mind being naked.
I think it's a fantastic, liberating experience. I don't think
i'd ever want to do it on television, just for
multiple reasons. It's not it wouldn't be something i'd feel
probably comfortable with or what I really want to respond to.
So two thoughts. One is, I don't love how the
show made it seem like she was shocked and surprised
by them being naked, and it felt like we were
pushing her in the into a corner of are you

(29:42):
going to get naked or not? I don't love that
that that made me very uncomfortable. The second thought, and
then I'll let you guys respond, is if I'm Garrett
and I'm dating my girlfriend and she's naked in front
of me and we're making out up close and personal,
the things that are gonna happen on really your first
date are incredibly uncomfortable, Like I don't want like that

(30:06):
is really crossing the line, Like as a man, I
don't want my first date to be that intimate. Am
I wrong? Oh? Heck, now I feel very I feel
very uncomfortable with with the date. I don't even get naked,
and like spas and like the sauna. Yeah yeah, I'll
be like, oh my god, there's naked women in here.
That's so crazy. I can't believe everybody so comfortable getting naked.

(30:27):
I don't know. I always been, I know, I don't know.
I just have always been very private. I grew up
with a mom who never showed me her boobies or
anything like that. So no, I was raised extremely like
conservative as well. And you're, dude, it's so different. It's
different for girls and boys. We have more parts. You're
totally right. You're totally right. And it's not because it's
not I'm not body positive. It's not because like I

(30:48):
don't like love my body. I actually have never had
body image issues. It's just a private area for me, truly. Yeah,
I totally agree. I totally agree that it's different for
a man and a woman. But there is one thing
that a man has that a woman doesn't. And you
can tell when we're excited or not. But do you think,
like maybe he didn't get as excited because he also

(31:10):
was kind of scared to jump off that never would
stop me. It was amazing, though, what about that it was?
I think maybe it Evan, How does it work if
it's cold and there's fear. Could it not? He knows?
I mean, like two cameras around in the coldness. Probably
did not. He probably did not get it off. I

(31:31):
mean it's totally unlikely. So the positive to all of it,
because that's okay, let's get it close up. The positive
all of this. And I do agree with this moment.
Is there sitting at dinner that night and and he
says something and she agrees, he goes, I feel like
we connected and this is a very intimate day for us,
and we've connected more today than I ever thought we could.

(31:53):
I agree with that. That is one thing that you know,
letting your guard down, you know, doing something like this
that's wild, that's crazy that you're both gonna laugh at.
And they did well laughing at it, and it's like
having a good time. I do think it brought them
closer together. But I'd like to then hear from your
opinions on what like, as a response, did Garrett do
anything actually on this date to impress you? I think

(32:16):
bungee jumping in general is going to get you closer.
I don't think the naked part really had much to
do with it. I don't what were you going to say?
You know, they're at the dinner. I was a little
perturbed because she's she opened up and I can't remember
what it was about she was she was sharing. She
really was like talking about being heard or something and
how hard it was. And then he just turned around
and flipped it back and made it about him, like

(32:37):
he literally didn't even say he was like, oh, that's
cool and me and I feel like we're getting a
lot of that from some of the guys or it's
like just switches it right back right back to them
to talk about them. Definitely become less likable in the
past couple of weeks. Yes, yeah, And I'm surprised you
guys say that because I watched this episode and I thought,

(32:58):
based on my limited minute experiences, the fans and the
people are going to react in a positive way towards Garrett.
He's going to become more likable from this date, probably
especially since he's the you know, the good guy going
against Luke. You know, I mean, that's so he is
going to get more like but you know from a
relationship perspective, purely with Hannah, because you know, that's why

(33:19):
we're here. It's like, I feel like that's why we're here.
He doesn't have a chance in Hannah. I don't know.
I feel like he's not the good guy against Luke.
I think the good guys against Luke are the ones
that aren't talking about Luke at this point. No, I agree.
I'm saying what people will perceive people. Everyone will think, oh, yes,
go get Luke, take him down. But it was like

(33:39):
creepy when he said that one thing when he was
walking on the door, like sleep, well, that was just
yourself a creep oh man, Like that was weird. Oh man.
It was a great line, though, a great creepy line.
It was a great creepy lie. It was like a
Kelsey Poe line. Yeah, all right, we have to let

(34:00):
Carly and Evan go, which is so sad. Well, busy people.
I could talk about this all day long. He could.
It's true. Thanks for having us on, guys, thank you
for coming on, and we will have you back before
the end of the season because you guys are great recappers.
You have such a passion to you. Sweet Ben can't
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done talking about nakedness, Ben, because Luke got fired up

(36:56):
over it. Luke was like, I didn't appreciate this. I
don't even know that I'd want to take a girl
home that recently went naked bungee jumping with another man.
And I feel like a lot of people, I think
a lot of people want to get at Luke for that.
But if you really think about it, and you're sitting

(37:18):
down with like your boyfriend, your husband, your fiance, and
you're like, oh, I mean, I guess if I was
in his shoes, I probably would feel a little bit
weird about that as well. I think Luke goes wrong
completely and telling her what she should do with her
body and what she can do, and what he because

(37:39):
he does not have them, he does not have the
right right now to tell her any of that, to
give his opinion on any of that. This is her thing,
she's leading it her body. But I mean, I guess
I can understand it being a little bit weird taking
home a girl who's already been naked within the past
two weeks with another man. I can we sit here

(38:01):
and talk about this, just back and forth for a bit,
because I feel like this is an interesting conversation and
one that I've thought a lot about, even since last
week when we got the teaser. Right, Um, actually, here's
my thing. I I agree with you. I think it's weird.
This is one of those times where the show's format
and real life kind of collide because he's feeling like

(38:23):
that is his girlfriend, and he's mentioned that, like, hey,
this is my girlfriend, and she also is because of
the format dating other men and exploring those relationships, So
it's gonna get weird. It just is. And so I
think how we look at this is, yeah, if I
was if I had a girlfriend and and we've been

(38:44):
dating for let's even say a month. I don't know
how long the show has been going on right now,
but let's say a month, and she comes to me
one day and she goes funny story like I was
just bungee jumping naked with the dude. It's like I'd
be like I don't think I like that, Like, I
don't know if I feel right about that. I think
like you said so from Luke's perspective. And we've kind

(39:05):
of talked about this all season, and it's actually been
kind of interesting how many comments we've gotten, uh and
one of the first times ever on this podcast where
people have gone, you need to be meaner to Luke.
P Like, you guys are being too nice to him,
You're understanding him too much, like he's doing crazy things.
Typically it's the reverse for us, um, but I think

(39:26):
in this situation, I can see his thought process, and
I think here's where I want to talk to you
is how did he communicate it poorly? What is your
opinion on and how he communicated poorly. He communicated it
poorly by calling what you did a mistake, especially a
bone headed mistake. I know that later in the episode
he tried to back pedal on that and be like, no,

(39:47):
no, no no, I was talking about future bone headed mistakes,
not this one being a bone headed mistake. But that
is absolutely where he went wrong, because she's like, it
wasn't a mistake. It's actually something that I'm really glad
that I did. And we have felt that she's glad
that she feels like to me, there's a great book
that I've read multiple times now and I tell anybody

(40:07):
to read it, and I've talked about it here. It's
called Scary Close and Scary Closes, a book really on
relational communication and how we relate with people in relationships,
and there's a whole two chapters about manipulation and how
all of us at some level are are manipulators. We
just are in our own ways. It feels like to me,
one of the things that Luke p has done consistently
throughout the season is he has tried or attempted or

(40:30):
has manipulated situations where he brings in guilt and shame
to very bad emotions to situations to try to get
his way, and then when he is confronted on it
by Hannah or are the other guys, he back pedals, Oh,
absolutely what he did here, Yeah, he totally shamed her
and then and then backpedals the following day. So even

(40:54):
with I'm thinking here like I can only really relate
with my own personal circumstances. So say jeff a cup Um,
she comes to me one day and she's like, hey,
I was in this situation, you know, all of a sudden,
this work event happened, and this guy and I had
to do a speed dating round and be like, yeah,
I don't love that, And but my follow up question
be like, well, how did it make you feel? Why

(41:15):
did you choose to do that? Like what is it like?
And then hopefully I could if I was uncomfortable, I
could follow up with hey, Jess like this makes me
feel uncomfortable? Why, and then we would respond, like we
would converse and talk about it and communicate about you know,
those things. I think in this situation, I was upset
with Luke, and this is one of the first times

(41:37):
in a long time that was like, dude, this is
like dangerously bad. Is because he went at her with Shane,
which is a terrible approach and one that if I
was Hannah, honestly call it whatever, he's home, He's going
home that night. I never want to date anybody that
resorts to confrontation and pushes me into a corner of shame.

(42:01):
I think that if he wanted to talk about this,
he could have been like who that makes me feel
a little, It makes it like it hurts and I
feel jealous. But I know that it's what you wanted
to do, so I'm glad you did it. It's a
moral yeah, I mean it's a moral line that he's calling, right,
I mean, call it from whatever. I'm assuming it's coming

(42:23):
from something in his his faith background or his conservative
approach to life. Uh. And I don't want to tell
somebody where their moral standards should fall. I think we
we work through that in life. But if that is
where his moral standards fall, that he's uncomfortable with this situation,
there are right ways to approach it, and he went

(42:44):
about it in a very dangerous way. And for as
nice as we've been to loop P maybe the last
couple of weeks, yeah, he was wrong. And this is
he is scary wrong. This was the week where I
was like, Okay, now, don don come on. You have
to eliminate him because there's no reason to keep him
around anymore. She doesn't have fun with him, she doesn't
even seem to like him. He just makes her angry. Well,

(43:06):
this is the first row ceremony where I go, I
don't get it anymore, Hannah, I don't get it. I
can understand you keeping him around for initial sparks, for
that feeling that you had when you guys first started dating.
But now I don't feel like you're in in with him,
and I don't think that you're ever going to feel

(43:28):
better about him again. He just makes you angry. I
don't get it. I don't love either. You know the talk,
I think at one point, and I know where that's
coming from as well, he says comments like your body
is a temple. Of course it is. I mean it
is a temple, and it is something that we should
all hold to a high standard. We we should love
our bodies and respect our bodies. But at what level.

(43:51):
I never quite got the parallel between your bodies a
temple and what you did was wrong, Like, if anything,
she was just comfortable in her skin and to say
screw it, I'm gonna do this. I think there it
was another moment where he was using faith as a weapon,
and I'm not okay with that. Actually, this is where
it gets really personal to me. And I was sitting

(44:12):
last night with my family watching this and I was like,
I don't like the show makes me laugh a lot,
and I get in you know, we do this podcast
and we talk about it a lot, and I spoke
a little bit about this last week, but last night
again it gets me angry because I love Jesus like
Jesus is the rock to my life and and nothing
I do make sense without my belief in a God.

(44:34):
But that belief in a God is never used for
Shane gilt or as a weapon. And and it makes
me angry that the idea and the perception that we're
sending from this show right now is that as a Christian,
these are the normal responses we should have towards people
like they show him praying, they show him in a

(44:55):
like this. This this gets really personal to me. And
as for women out there, like, hey, uh and maybe
this will be controversial, I don't know if I would
love that my girlfriend did that either, Like quite honestly,
I think, but don't at any level make anybody, especially
when it comes with the right intentions to feel shame

(45:17):
or gil or that they should hide in a corner
in like in in in an apologetic way because they
made a decision like this, like and it's it's scary
for me what the public is seeing from his mouth
or hearing from his mouth right now, and how they're
relating that to the God that I love so dearly.

(45:38):
So you you just don't you want to make sure
that people know that Christians are not all like Luke. Well,
none of us are the same, right and so, and
like Luke, I'm not going to question his belief in God.
Like I don't know that side of him. I don't
know where he stands with his faith. All I know
from what I've seen is that it's used now on

(45:59):
a few occade Asians to be a weapon or to
bring on shame or guilt. Like his moral standard is
the standard he sets his stake in, and then everybody
else that doesn't equate to that somehow is wrong. And
that's where I want to draw the line and say,
not every person that has a moral compass feels this
way or would communicate it in this way. I want

(46:19):
to go back to something you said. I probably wouldn't
want my girlfriend doing this. Luke keeps telling Hannah, you're perfect,
You're the girl I want to marry. But he's just
saying those things because it feels like it he just
doesn't know her, and she's she's maybe probably proving that
she's less conservative than he'd want a girl to be.

(46:40):
And yet he of course keeps saying things like, I
want to marry you. You're my perfect girl. I think
she's proving that she's not your perfect girl. Well, let
me get personal for a second. And I've never talked
about this publicly, So let's go to Lauren and I
for a second. Somebody that I think we both had
a mutual love for each other and a mutual respect

(47:00):
for each other. Right now, we were not Luke and Hannah.
We got along for the most part, right but there
was a time in our relationship towards the end that
we the And it wasn't even lifestyle choices, it wasn't
decisions that we're making. We could just tell that we
weren't clicking. Like the things I would do, maybe she
not what wasn't maybe not a fan of but just

(47:21):
didn't really enjoy, and the things that she would do
maybe I didn't enjoy, or things I would do on
on on occasion would annoy her, or maybe things I
would do every day in my life would annoy her.
And we just realized at that point there was a
lack of compatibility. We weren't the right partners for each other,
we weren't bringing out the best in each other. That
our relationship was more frustrating than it was uplifting. That's

(47:44):
exactly what we're seeing between Hannah and Luke on a
smaller scale. On a smaller scale. Now, I don't want
to compare Laura and I to handle Luke. We we
have a lot healthier relationship that but I think all
of our listeners out there could say if if they've
been in a few relationships, could say, hey, I've been
in a relationship that we wanted it to work, that
everything aligned for it to work, but at the end

(48:06):
of the day, we were not compatible. That our conversations
ended up in frustration as much as we didn't want
them to be. I look back to a few weeks
ago when Luke had his one on one. Hannah went
into that wanting to have a great time with him,
and it ended with both of them being frustrated for
whatever reason that happens in relationships. And at that point, actually,
once again, I think it's a good teller of this

(48:27):
isn't gonna work, which is why it's super weird that
she keeps giving him a rose because they have proven
to be completely incompritable. Let's let's open us up to
the listeners. Listeners, why do you think Hannah continues to
keep them around. I don't want to get emails on
oh the show is making her, because I don't think
they are. What is it about Luke right now that

(48:50):
you think Hannah is still intrigued by or thinks that
could work. Is it just the frustration that brings her back?
Is the fact that she did she has unfinished business
with him, or that he still has a pull on
her in some way, whatever it is, I want to
hear your thoughts and as much detail as possible, Ashley,
and I want to read those this week at Nashley

(49:11):
at i heeart media dot com. Ben, there's one more
thing about the naked stuff that I want to talk about. Um,
the other guys made it seem like they were okay
with it, especially Tyler, and I think it's kind of
wacky to be like, oh, it's totally fun and chill
about it. Was like, totally great. I'm really happy for
it's okay to express some jealousy some annoyance, and that

(49:33):
really fired me up. I don't know that I even
think it's okay to be like, oh, so chill with it,
because that does that show that you're not like super
into her because you didn't have a tinge of jealousy
in that moment. I think, like it's cool to be like,
I respect whatever decision she she does with her body

(49:55):
and all that, but like to not even show a
little frustration with the date. Good point. Well, and I
wonder if there's two things That one is that he
feels that Tyler and the rest of the group sees
that there's so much shame and guilt right now on
Hannah about it, that they're going in the opposite direction, Like, Okay,
at the end of the day, I care about this woman.
I like this woman. Maybe I'm falling in love with her.

(50:16):
I don't want I mean, I know now with you know,
my relationship, I don't want Jessica to feel shame or
guilt or to feel down and out, especially over a
decision she's made with the best of intentions. And so
maybe those guys are going the opposite wasteing. It's not
even a battle that I even want to get into,
Like at the end of the day, this is going
to work out, like it needs to work out in

(50:37):
the end. Anyways. The second is, I think, exactly, I
think if that's the case, and it probably was, because
they know to stay away from Luke p drama. That
that's probably what it what it was, and that's really
it's great. All I can say is that on Crystal season, uh,
Britt came back from her date with him and said,

(50:58):
and then we took a nap, and then the cameras
left and we went to his room and we slept together,
just took a nap and ate food and talked and
we were all admittedly fired up over it. Yeah, I
think that's fair. I mean, I remember back in the day,
the famous episode where Caitlin and Sean had their moment

(51:21):
kind of in front of me, uh, and definitely we're kissing,
and I was fired up, like I was jealous, I
was envious, I was everything like it wasn't okay. And
and but I think the way Caitlin I discussed it
made it at least understandable, because when we sat down,
it was you know, why was this as a decision
that you made? Where do I stand in your life?

(51:43):
Like can we talk through like what your thought process was,
and where do you want this to go from here?
Like ideally where do we go from here? And it
all worked out like in the day when I was
let go in Ireland. That no longer was a concern
of mine because we had discussed it and I had
become in support of her, when the other guys in
the house maybe would be still upset about the fact

(52:03):
that you know, she hooked up with Sean, or that
you know, Nick came on the show and they had
a series of dates or whatever beforehand, like it would
all like. Because we had been able to talk it out,
it allowed me to be in a position of support
for her instead of one of with the army going yeah,
she's wrong, right, all right? Well, what an interesting situation. Yeah,

(52:27):
what an interesting scenario. One of the most compelling um
situations that we've seen in recent Bachelor history. I think
it's only gonna continue for luke P. I'm not a
fan of what happened this week with him. It's a
dangerous communication style. But I want to hear your thoughts
as well, because I do think this will be controversial.
I think there'll be people, maybe not on luke P's

(52:48):
side on how he did it, but just the response
to would you feel jealousy or if you if you
could put yourself in the Bachelor world for one episode
or one season, and this happens. How would you have responded?
Please email us, tweet us, make sure you hashtag the
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(53:09):
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a little bit tipsy off that moonshine, and I think
it was really good for her. It always is. I
don't know how much Hannah is choosing to drink during

(55:20):
her season, but I know for me, I chose to
drink very little. I was nervous and there's a lot
to do. But there was a date in Mexico where
I let loose and I had a few drinks, and
it makes this whole thing really fun. She was having
a blast at this market, and the guys were having
fun with her. You can just see like everybody's energy

(55:41):
levels are up. It's interesting. I feel like every point
in most seasons this group dates typically goes pretty well, right.
I mean, it doesn't feel like there's a lot of pressure.
There's still enough guys there where you can kind of
kind of figure out who's going to go home and
who's not. But there I also think that we have

(56:02):
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had with the guys a few weeks ago when she said, hey,
idiots like you guys continue to make this thing hard
for me. Can you stop? Like, can we just have
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(56:23):
enjoying themselves, but she has made sure that their mindset
is on having a good time, joy and fun and
not how do we make this as dramatic as possible? Right? Exactly?
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day that I want to believe so much. But now
Jed and his player way is because we know if
confirmation that Jed is a player. I'm just feeling the

(56:46):
same way about Tyler again because he's just like a
little bit too smooth with lines. He's like, I saw
you in that white dress and you're just heaven sent,
and I was like, I want to make you feel specially,
that's the kind of woman I want to be with.
I don't know, what do you think. I just like,
I feel like I have my my player. My player

(57:07):
hat is on right now. My siren is at the
top of the hat. And every time I see Jed
during this this whole episode, it goes off, of course,
but now I think because it's sitting on my head,
I'm feeling that way again with Tyler. I want to
see Tyler be real, like he's not saying anything of substance,

(57:28):
and I know Tyler, we're gonna I'm gonna just get
blown up because Tyler has a huge following. He's a
good looking dude, he's a lot going for him, and
there's no like red flags yet with me with Tyler,
but I don't think he said anything real yet. You
guys are just talking about it earlier. It feels like
he says the right things. It's not hard to go
into a date and say a few lines to make

(57:51):
anybody feel special. But there's no vulnerability yet, and that's
what I want at a summit one of these guys, like,
none of these guys have showed any vulnerability at this point.
And and before you all say come on, this is crazy,
Hannah has even said it. She said it a few
weeks ago, and she says, I know nothing about you
and you know nothing about me. All we do is

(58:13):
have a good time and say the right things. Yeah,
I mean, Luke says beautiful like pretty words, and he
says things that are out of romance novels. But I
just know I was gonna say, I don't think you
has said a pretty world words since the beginning of
this thing. I have no idea why I said. Luke

(58:34):
Tyler says such pretty things every He's like out of
a Nicholas Barks novel. But I just I'm just a
little bit concerned now because you know why, because as
a girl, I love to fall for things like this.
And I say, I know that it sounds like he's
playing that he said these things a zillion times to

(58:56):
a zillion different girls. I want to believe it. Can
you just let me believe it? And then I'll be
watching or getting feedback from a guy from a male
point of view, and then they'll be like, this guy
is so full of deep you know, he is full
of crap, and I'm like, really, oh, you're killing my dreams.

(59:16):
But I think that in situations like this, you have
to take advice from you have to hear the feedback
from guys, because I think that they know how to
spot players way better than girls. I mean, let's let's
all take a second here. Actually, you're in a committed
relationship with a man who loves you dearly and who
wants you to feel as special as possible at any
moment of the day, now granted on a nice date

(59:38):
night or on a morning that it just hit hits
him in the heart. Jared, I'm sure looks at you
and says, actually, you look beautiful today, or Ashley like,
I'm so lucky to spend my life with you. Like,
but that's not happening all the time. And for the
most part, when you communicate with Jared, I'm assuming it's
out of vulnerability, it's out of confiding each other. It's

(59:58):
real life stuff. And you know that, like the part
that you love about him is not the pretty words.
He says, Yeah, it's funny that you said that, because
last night when we were talking about Tyler, he was like,
I would never tell you you stood there in that
white dress. You know, it would be funny, right, it
would be billy, You would laugh at him. So I

(01:00:24):
look at this and I'm saying, hey, Tyler has yet
have proved us and he's a player. He obviously doesn't
mean kind of like we said with the Pete situation,
we look at a guy like Tyler and we shouldn't
judge him for it because he's good looking, he has
a lot going for him. He's ripped. He says the
right things are assumption is player. But we don't know
that yet. We we can't. But with Jed, which we'll

(01:00:44):
get too later in the podcast, everybody's wondering. Yeah, if
anybody's wondering if we're gonna talk about Jed or night
we are, it'll be at the end of the podcaster.
To stay tuned, we can read right through it now
because we have physically tangible examples of it. Actually, there's
there's something I want to talk about because I feel
like there's one guy that has even touched the line
of vulnerability this season, who seems like a good dude

(01:01:05):
who I'm a fan of and I think you are
as well. He's been in our top three a lot
this year. UM, good looking guy. We don't see anything
from him ever, and when we do, he seems to
not give off a player vibe. He doesn't just say
the right things. If anything, it feels like he's trying
really hard just to get time with Hannah most of
the time. It's Connor. Why aren't we see anything from him?

(01:01:26):
I don't know. I mean, the only reason that I've eliminate,
eliminate Connor in my head is because he just feels
very young to me. But is he I mean, what
is he's like her age or whatever. It's just I
don't I don't know why I keep just disregarding him
in my head. I guess it's because we're not seeing

(01:01:47):
much of him. It's it's a little frustrating me, ash
like it is because I do think and again, I'm
seeing very little amount of their life. I do think
Connor has shown, at least on a consistent basis, to
not say the right things, or try to say the
right things, to try to get time with Hannah, to
do small little gestures to make her feel special. And

(01:02:07):
I do think that, if anything, he carries enough to
continue to try. And I'm not seeing anything from him.
And maybe just Hannah isn't that into him, But we
haven't heard that side either. Yeah, you're right again, I'm
not a great judge, uh sometimes with this stuff. But
how has Connor not captured the hearts of every woman
in America? I mean, Tyler has, but Connor has a boyishness,

(01:02:31):
I'm telling you, is it? I mean, that's interesting. That's
a great point. If it's the boys boyishness, then that
makes sense. He looks at your college kin. To me,
he looks like the boy next door. Tyler is in
a similar way with like his looks and all that.
But I think that Tyler presents himself more manly. Okay,

(01:02:51):
that's fair. I think that's a fair take. It makes sense.
It just my my take from this episode is I'm
frustrated because I want to see more Connor. I like Connor,
like a con is not the kind of guy who's
gonna push you against the wall and like be like
super romantic. He's going to be like the guy who
takes you like a cute date and then you hold
his hand and it's cute, but he doesn't like give
us sexual vibes. Well, hey, this group date was fun,

(01:03:15):
it was exciting. Um, it was enjoyable to watch. There
was great things that happened, but actually just brought up
a great point. He doesn't give you off the sexual vibes,
the vibes that will push you up against the wall
or push you onto a sauna. And that's exactly what
Pilot Pete did. As we talked about earlier in this podcast,
Pilot Pete went all out. We saw some wild things

(01:03:36):
from Pilot Pete again, kind of like the Colton and
Hannah ge scene. I was watching, like, hey, this is
an intimate moment, and I'm glad the cameras shut the
door and left because let these two people be they
need Oh my god, I was thinking about the cameraman
so much, about how the fact that he was probably
sweaty and couldn't breathe then had to watch them do that.

(01:03:57):
It was so it was so intense and and in
a sense I'm gonna use the word beautiful like it
felt real. It felt like Hannah was letting her guard
down again, and it felt like Pilot Pete was enjoying
the moment as well. And it didn't feel like, hey,
let's just hook up and hey we're dating, we only
have a few minutes. It felt like a very intimate
scenario between two people who were beginning to care about

(01:04:20):
each other and who needed it. Honestly, in this whole
my only like negative from all of this is with
you is the poor cameraman. What a terrible job, like
sweaty Sanna, big old camera on your shoulder and your
ten feet from two people going at it. I truly
thought that you're right, this was more of a romantic
scene than it was watching two people huk up. I

(01:04:44):
wonder what Hannah Hannah has text or tweeted quite a
bit this last week about her grandfather and how big
a fanny. I think she calls him granddaddy of the show,
or I wonder what granddaddy felt watching this because I
watched one episode with my grandma and their response. As
supportive as she is, and she was very supportive and
tried to be their response is never the right words,

(01:05:06):
the right thing, like it's either oh, that's sweet or wow,
like you really like him or like her? Huh, Like
it's always the thing that makes you cringe a little
bit inside. And because it's your grandparents and it feels
weird for them to know that side. Oh yeah, totally.
My Grandmo would call him like, did you make the
funniest comments after watching me on the show. It's uh,

(01:05:30):
it's interesting to see the pilot Pete one on one.
I think he's in for the long haul. We'll see
Pilot Pete for a few more weeks. We talked about
in length. Moving on now, Jed the Jed Uh he
made a special appearance. He didn't have a one on
one this week. He didn't get a rose before the
rose ceremony, and this man is an expert at getting

(01:05:52):
a rose before the rose ceremony. He showed up after
Pete's one on one and serenaded her from the street
as Hannah watched from her balcony and talk about a
fairy tale, right. She even said like this is what
fairy tales or romance novels are made out of. But
the thing is romance novels usually don't have that component

(01:06:16):
of having a girlfriend back at home. Yeah, so I
think this is obviously an obvious question. And actually, I
want to just throw it to you. Is this this
scene I've honestly just made my stomach her It was uncomfortable.
It was really weird. And and honestly, I think and
and here's my take, and I want to hear yours now.
My take is even if Jed, if we didn't know

(01:06:37):
this about Jed still having an ex or dating a
girl up into the show and telling her that he
you know, all the things, he's sweet nothings he said
to her right on the moment he left, even if
we didn't know that side, I still think that this
moment would have made me feel weird. I don't love
these like, Hey, I'm gonna go out of my way
to go see you because here's my thought. And then
I want to throw it to you for all of

(01:06:58):
your thoughts on Jed. But if everybody out there listening,
I felt this is a good moment to kind of
give a behind the scenes take. Um as the Bachelor
Bachelor at you spend you know, four your forty dates
in the season, you spend three months close to it
dating consistently, you're exhausted, like really tired, and as much
as you might love people, and you really appreciate the

(01:07:19):
people that are there to date you and that you're
trying to figure out if you could spend a life with,
like you might really love them, but even like in
the most deep pieces of love, like you need time
away and you need time apart. And so here's one
thing that I didn't love about this. Really two things.
One is I don't love any dude that's or anybody's
gonna show up and serenade you from the bottom of

(01:07:40):
a balcony. I think that's sweet, but that gesture has
been pulled off many times in history. It's nothing unique.
Get over yourself. The second thought, and granted, I'm really
angry at Jed right now, he's I'm not a fan
of what he did at all. The second thought is this,
if you really cared about the bachelor or bachelor, you
know they've been on a long date. You know that
date has been really you know she's probably at home

(01:08:01):
or he's at home trying to process what's been happening
and what that date did. And they're also trying to
rest and relax because they've got a whole another date
the next day. The last thing I really ever wanted
to see and do was that, probably eleven o'clock at night,
have anybody else show up to my door, because because
that means the cameras are back in my room, that

(01:08:22):
means I'm back on that means I'm back into conversation,
that means I'm cuddling again. And quite honestly, after seeing
like the Pete date, you just got after it with somebody,
you don't really have the energy to get back after
it again. At least I wouldn't, Okay, So you definitely
see it from the Bachelor batchelor at Leeds point of view,
And if if I was in that position, You're right,

(01:08:45):
I'd be pretty annoyed to finally get my alone time
then have it interrupted, because alone time is very important
to me, and I know it's also very important to Hannah.
The only case in which I'd be down for one
of my favorites to come and serenade me or spend
time with me at night after another one on one
would be if I went on one on one with
somebody who I was like lukewarm about, like who I liked,

(01:09:08):
but who I was probably thinking about others while I
was with And then if one of those others showed
up at the end of the night, I think it
would be able to confirm my feelings for them a
little bit more. And it may just be nice to
be like, oh, somebody that I had like, really am
excited to see and really am excited to touch. Um Jed,

(01:09:28):
I'm tired of this song though, it's like, get a
new song, buddy. But now, of course I say this
because I'm annoyed with him. Everything seems contrived. Everything just
is so yucky to us. Now it's it's so annoying
because this would have been a romantic moment, at least
from a girl's point of view. Maybe maybe Ben's right there,
maybe it has been overdone, but it would have been

(01:09:49):
romantic and it would have been everything that we had
wanted to see. We probably would have like passed out
due to like all the swooning, but the entire time
we're like, what a phony bologne, what an owl? Everything's
just a move for him. So you know, maybe I'm
envious two because I can't sing. That could just be
a movie. When I see this stuff is like I'm
not that guy. Like if I stood at your balcony

(01:10:11):
and saying to you like it's a comedy act, like
you're gonna laugh, it's gonna be funny, Like this is
not gonna be sweet. You're gonna go then either get
off the street or come up here and like salking
your unskilled you know. Ways. Actually, I want to pause
here because before we get to the podcast, I have

(01:10:32):
a few questions that I want to throw off to you.
I was always a little hesitant on Jed, not knowing
any of this, But just like you said that you
you're a fan, your thoughts on Jed have obviously changed,
and I think it's time now in the season for
us to start looking at She's obviously into him. He's
gonna make it a long ways. We're as viewers now
a little angry what happens, Like how does this play out?

(01:10:54):
How does the show respond to what's been made public?
What goes on from here on out? Where are we
able to support this relationship at all, if they're together
or not? Based on what we know about Jet. Before
I get into that, I want to talk more about
the musician thing for just one second. It's almost like
we've seen Jed sing more than we've seen Jed speak

(01:11:18):
to her, So I feel like he's like hiding behind
his musician talents, you know. Oh, but he's not there
to get it famous. Oh yeah, well that's right, isn't
it kind of crazy the way. I don't know if
we talked about this last week, but I'm surprised by
how much they've let him perform, because there have been
other musicians on this show before, and they've never been
able to sing this many times. I wonder, actually if,

(01:11:42):
at some point, because we obviously know this news of
him having somebody back home came out probably during the
filming of the show, after a while, I would assume,
I wonder if the show is trying to show us
the real Jed, and then at some point the show
will actually break down and show us that he was
never out for the right reasons that they're trying to

(01:12:04):
show us, Oh, he was really always trying to sing.
He was always trying to, you know, show his talents
and his skills to her. And then at some point
later on it all makes sense when they say, oh,
but he also has a girl at home, and he
also was the first to say I'm not here to
get famous, right, I know. I I agree it could be.
It could be a mechanism showing all the all these
musical performances and very little talking with two the two

(01:12:28):
of them. I to go back to your question, your
other question. I feel like she's constantly if she does,
if Hannah ends up with with Jed, She's going to
constantly have trust issues. She's never going to feel like
the origin of their relationship was uh clean. She's always

(01:12:49):
going to have doubts. If I don't know, I to
play devil's advocate. You can just you can say, Okay,
he went on with a girlfriend, He went on to
promote his you know, his business basically, but he um
along the way found the love of his life. And

(01:13:10):
no one, especially him, would have ever expected that to
be the way that events turned out to be. But
that's truly how he feels that Hannah is the love
of his life. I don't know if we're ever going
to believe him even if that is the truth, right,
I'll be honest, I'll have a hard time, I will
and a little bit of cynical and and a lot
of little bit of seeing this thing play out before

(01:13:32):
in different past seasons. If that's the case, Uh, we
should we should all try to get to a place
of celebrating them as a couple. But I will have
a hard time with that. M hmm. If they are together,
I know we're like really jumping ahead. We have like
five weeks left, But if they are together, I would
just I would think that she should probably not be

(01:13:55):
with him. If they are together. Actually, this after the
Final Rose will be one of the most intense episodes
of all time. Can we imagine right now, like a
live episode where he sits out there and Chris Harrison
questions him and the crowd booze and all those things
like it would be wild? Hey, um, actually want to
close with a few thoughts and take away from the

(01:14:17):
episode before you let us know who goes home, which
is obviously um Dylan and uh you remember his name, Dustin?
Don't even remember his names. I don't think I ever
heard him talk. Poor guy. He did get a group
date rose early on. I am uh, I'm now I've

(01:14:37):
been told by our Twitter following that I'm no longer
allowed to talk about self describing, so I will not
do that, um, but I will bring up something else
that has now annoyed me about this show and about people. Uh,
and I would love to throw it out there for
you and our listeners to also get mad at me
about There is this communication style that's going on right
now in the in the season where when guys want

(01:15:00):
to have a really tough conversation, they open up their
original statement by going, I'm gonna be completely honest here. Oh,
I'm gonna be completely real. Mostly it's Luke p but
Tyler also did it this episode as well. But in
the and they always say but in this moment, like,
I just want to be completely real with you, which
makes me assume that at some point you're not being
completely or at some point you're not being completely honest.

(01:15:23):
To play Devil's outvocate again on this one, I think
it's a way of people to start a conversation letting
them know that it's not going to be an easy
one and it's going to be a little bit deeper
than normal. They're just like preparing them for the state
of the conversation. But as Evan mentioned, that would be fine,
and I would agree with you if their follow up
was about having a deep conversation, But typically the follow

(01:15:45):
up at least from Luke p has been about or
about himself or about himself like I'm gonna be completely
honest with you, like, uh, I'm you know whatever. Whatever
he says about himself, it's never this deep conversation. It's
always just like, hey, in this moment, I'm gonna tell
you exactly how I'm feeling, Like why why do I
have to say that? Why do I have to preface

(01:16:06):
anything with At this point, I'm not gonna lie to you,
like I don't know you're You're totally right. I think
that people don't mean it literally, and it goes along
with when people go literally I just ate a banana
and you're like, oh no, no, really figuratively ate a banana.

(01:16:26):
It's the exact same thing. I need to know though,
from all of you listeners, because I love you dearly.
You've been great to us for the last two years.
Um and Ashley, I want to hear from you as well.
Am I crazy? Like the self describing thing, I'm done with.
I know I probably just continue to talk about it
too much. This situation is a communication thing that really
annoyed me and got under my skin. Is that me

(01:16:47):
just being overly annoyed, too sensitive? Or do I have
a point? I think been an Ashley at I heart
Meta dot com And actually, what do you think? I
think it's a little bit of both. I think you're
a little sense off to it. But I think you
definitely have a point, and we should stop saying as
much as we do fair enough. How many times do
we start? Honestly, I've yeah, no, I don't like it either.

(01:17:12):
It's like, oh really not honestly, we should fix it. Hey, Ashley,
any emails out there that we want to read, let's
just do I got one real quick. We can start
with and and why I'm reading pick one out here?
It's from Lauren. It says Jed's X I want to
reach out regarding the recent news about Jed having a
girlfriend before going on Hannah season of the Bacherette. Well,

(01:17:32):
I'm sure this happens more than we find out about.
I truly felt for this girl. I recently dated a
guy who moved to Nashville to further his music career. Oh, surprise, surprise,
and a few months after the move decided he no
longer wanted to be together. I decided to reach out
to Haley to let her know that she's not alone,
and how strong she was for coming to share her story.
I must say she appreciated it more than I could

(01:17:53):
have ever imagined and is one of the sweetest people
I've ever talked to. Hey, just to give all of
you good listeners a clue, we've brought it up and
you might not listen to the last week's podcast. Jed
in the news last week it came out that he
had a girlfriend going onto the show. He was texting
her as he was getting the plane, saying that he
liked her body, he liked her spirit, all these things, um,
and that when he got back from the show he

(01:18:15):
pretty much ignored her or what the cool kids are
calling it these days, ghosted her. Um. So Lauren reached
out to Jed's X. It sounds like and that Haley.
Jed's X responded and it was sweet about the conversation.
That's why we're kind of down on Jed right now.
We're very down on Jed. He had a girlfriend back
home and we have text to prove it. Another email
we have from Jessica says, I'm a Luke P fan.

(01:18:39):
I know that you guys aren't fans of Luke P,
but I am a Luke p fan. Is he a
total bro? Yes? Does he say things that make me say, uh, Luke? Absolutely?
But do I think he's one there for Hannah? Yes.
He definitely doesn't say all the right things to Hannah,
but he does admit when he's wrong. He did give
her what she wanted this week by telling her exactly

(01:19:02):
how he feels. He's treating the guys with respect, even
when they are tearing him down week after week. He
really doesn't owe them anything but listens and responds. Has
this season been the everyone is against Luke show? Yes,
And frankly I'm over it fair enough. I mean, it's
kind of what we were saying, like, we don't want

(01:19:23):
to be mean to the guy anymore. His this whole
thing is going to affect him in ways that we
can never imagine. Um, but I do think Luke has
done uh some consistently really kind of manipulative things that
has made us now say, hey, we're not a fan
of this, We're not okay with this. And you can
be a fan of his or at least supportive of
him and knowing that he's going through a rough thing

(01:19:44):
right now. Um, let me just say that she says,
but do I think he is there one for Hannah? Yes,
but I would say that he I would can repeat
that sentence, say, do I think he's there for whoever
the bachelor? Right be Yes, So it's not Hannah, it's
he just wants to win the Bachelorette. I cannot disagree

(01:20:07):
with you. Ashley. Hey, Ashley, Yeah, stay in your lane.
I saw a street sign today that said that over
the highway and I wanted to take a picture, but
you know, I was driving, so I didn't. I hope
you always stay in your lane. Don't look left, don't
look right, drive straight ahead, Ashley, because when you stay
in your lane, you don't cause issues for anybody else. Yeah. Alright, guys,

(01:20:32):
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