January 28, 2025 • 30 mins
Wells is back from Scotland and he’s ready to tell all about his time in the castle on season 3 of The Traitors!
Find out how Traitors is different from the drama on Bachelor in Paradise, and why Wells was sent home because of the threat of his “big brain”.
Plus, Wells takes us behind the scenes of the fashion of Traitors and he shares some insight on what the future holds for Paradise!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost In his podcast today
we have Wells Adams on. He's going to talk to
us about his experience on Traders. It was a brief
experience and I'm sure you're sad about that. And we
were just talking about how you know, Ben has watched
your episode. I haven't watched it yet, and I don't
haven't watched it yet because I tried to watch Peter
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season and I was so confused by the concept. Do
they give you like some training on like I think
it's the most vague thing ever, Please please explain what
it works, how it works.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah. So it's based off a game that a lot,
like a lot of people play like at house parties
called Werewolf or Mafia. And yeah, it's it's a it's
derived from like an old Russian social experiment, Okay, And
the the thought is is that the the informed few
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always will be able to be more powerful than the
uninformed masses. So it's it's a little meta, I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Okay, thank you for admitting that it is meta.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah. So the idea is is that you've got you know,
you go to this this castle in Scotland, and Alan Cummings,
who's this amazing actor, is the host of it, and
he's kind of the lord of the manor. And he
puts everyone around this big table and uh, makes everyone
put blindfolds on, and then you have an orgy. And
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then after that, kid, I'm a joke, joking that didn't happen,
or at least what I was there gone it might
have had the orgy might have happened afterwards, which is
such a bummer. And so yeah, he chooses who the
traders are, and then basically the idea is is the
rest of the show is all the Faithfuls, the people
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who aren't traders, are trying to figure out who the
traders are.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And if you are a trader, you're supposed to lie
and pretend that you're not and you're also in search.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, okay, yeah, and so yeah, every night the Traders
murder somebody, and then every day the Faithfuls try to
figure out who why they were murdered, and who could
have done it, and then they vote to say who
the one of the Traders is that would have murdered
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that person. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Okay? So do the traders get together to tell Hi
Ben Hi Ben Ben's here. I just jumped into this.
That was cool, Okay, Okay, So when you guys do
the traders get together? Do they know who each other are?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes? So every night they come together in like the
in a turret at like the top of the castle,
and they talk about who they want to murder, and
they write it down on a piece of parchment and
then they murder whoever they're going to murder. And then
the next morning everyone comes to breakfast and then that's
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when it's revealed who they murdered that night.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But it's all a metaphorical murder.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, No, one actually was all obviously.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But I mean, like, so do you like sit around
the round table and then you go so and so
was murdered, but they still sit in front of us.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
No, you leave, you leave the show?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh they're just gone.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah okay.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Well, as I have a couple questions for you that
I'm just curious about, and I don't want to switch
gears yet, but I do have a question on this
overall reality television or like stars going back onto reality television,
how that all works.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I have a theory about, uh, why.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You were eliminated, And I want to know what you
think to this. I think everybody there realized that you're
probably the only person that actually knew how to play
this game and knew what the show was. And I mean,
if I was on that show, I would say, let's
take out the strongest person first before they can kind
of get their grip into this experience.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Do you think that had any any role in you
getting eliminated?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Now?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I mean I think that.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think that they probably saw me as someone who
was like not a complete idiot.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You know, are you insinuating that other people in the
house are idiots?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I just I mean I don't even know if I
was there long enough for them to like pinpoint that
like I'm a huge threat. You know. My my plan
going into it was to like be under the radar,
really not say much, just be kind of like likable.
And you know, the first mission that we go do
is this like kind of big dragon boat race where
we had to elect someone to work the rudder to
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steer the boat. And so the question was posed like,
so who's like who's the best leader here, Who's you know,
who's smart, who can do this? And everyone like unanimously
chose me, and we're like five hours in to filming
the show, and I was like, Okay, well, I'm not
doing a very good job of like staying under the
radar because apparently they think I'm some like amazing ship captain.
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So so I knew I immediately. I was like, Okay,
I think that people maybe are sensing that, like I'm
outspoken or somewhat of a leader. But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, yes and no, because the way that I
get banished, the last person to make the vote is
a trader in Carolyn, and so I do think that
(05:39):
there was some conversation of like, if we can get
Wells out, let's get him out now. But yeah, I
mean there are some other like really really cerebral players
in the game that I would be very nervous about,
more so than me. Like I think Dylan's very smart,
and I think that they surprised that they haven't tried
to get him out because I think that Dylan, yeah,
my boy, Dylan e Fron. So Yeah, No, I mean,
(06:02):
I uh, that's a night. That's a nice sentiment, Ben
to say that the reason why I'm off the show
is because I was such a threat because of my
you know.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Massive brain. Uh yeah, well you got something big. So
then the.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
If you get eliminated. Now you look back, is there
any strategy that you wish you would have done differently?
Like any regrets, not from the experience, and oh I
look like this, but anything that you wish you would
have gone in doing differently.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I mean, you know, Alan sits you down and ask
if you want to be a trader or not. And
I was just really indifferent. And I think that that
was probably not a really great like strategy, but that's
just how I felt, and that's how I still feel.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Like.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He was like, do you want to be a trader?
And I was like, man, if I was a trader,
I'd be good at it. Uh. If I'm not, I
think I'll be really good at like figuring out who
the traders are, because you know, on Paradise, my whole
job is to sit there and listen to these you
know people complain and whatever and give them advice and stuff.
So I'm usually like a good you know, judge of character.
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And I thought I'd be able to figure out who
the traders were pretty easily. So I was just like
super indifferent, like I guess going back, like, I think
the play is to probably beg to be a trader
because at least you have you have the power to
not be banished so easily, you know, because you at
least have the other traders that should be on your side,
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you can help like create diversions to put it on
other people. Whereas for my situation, I was just like
total sacrificial lamp. The truth of the matter is what
happened was they killed Derinda the night before, and everyone
thought that Dorinda was a trader, Like there was no
question in the house. We all were like, she's definitely
a trader. She was the first one to get off
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the dragon boat, which means she didn't care about having immunity.
She comes back to the house so angry, yelling and
screaming at people. Everyone was like, this is a little much,
you know, it's like Jesus, calm down, so you're kind
of overacting. So that night we all were like, uh, yeah,
I think that we're all going to vote for her,
right and everyone was like uh huh. And then the
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next morning she's the one who's murdered. And so I
say the thing, which is the thing that like ultimately
gets me killed, which to to your point, maybe what
I would have done differently is I wouldn't have said
the thing that I said. But I was like, that
was a dumb move. Why would you kill someone we
were already going to banish in seven hours, like get
someone else out, that's a that's a bigger threat, or
to like throw you know, confusion a different way, But
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why would you We were going to do the work
for you. And so I say it, and I stand
ten toes in the sand on this. I think it
was stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They haven't made a whole lot of decisions the traders
that I think have been smart thus far. Now I
was the second, the second one out of that show,
so I don't know if it's about me, but uh yeah,
I shouldn't have said that because when I said that,
people got well one person got a fend and which
is which was Robin. And she was like, I think
it was solely smart, And I was like what And
know everyone agreed with me except for her, And then
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that's how she like started the campaign against me. Was
a trader would say that? I was like, a trader
would make fun of the decision they made. I don't
know if that's true at all. Anyways, So.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
A lot of these reality shows are recruiting former Bachelor
stars and you know, the former housewives and all that.
So I was on Stars on Mars and I felt
like there was no producer involvement. And then those who
were on Special Forces say the same, How was that
with with your show?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Same? Yeah, it's it's such a different experience to what
Bachelor Nation feels like, where like you have a producer
that's kind of always with you and like always does
your interviews with you and stuff. So yeah, it's very
very hands off, which I think I think is a
testament to you know, it's it's putting a lot of
(10:04):
faith in just the show being good, you know, like
you're not manipulating, not changing things around. So yeah, it's
no like there's not even anyone in the room when
you're doing interviews.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yes, that was my experience. I didn't like that. I
didn't like the way that they did it because I
just didn't feel it was personal. I don't know, I
felt like I needed to have some sort of rapport
with the people that I was putting this show on.
But that was just probably because of like four seasons
of The Bachelor.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, and well you need the battery. You become really
close with those producers. Yeah. So so like.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
The purpose, so you don't have you didn't have anyone
other than the cast interact with.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I have kind of a general question here before we
go back into some of the characters specifically that you
met during your time at Traders. And I do want
to say this, Jess, can I follow X The night
that you got eliminated, people were pretty upset about your elimination.
I think they were excited to watch you again on television,
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kind of in your own work, like with your own personality,
doing your thing. I was obviously upset too. I don't
like that they let you go. I think it made
the show worse. But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Ratings would disagree with you. It's like the number one.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I don't think anybody else characters that might be the
only one that's all right.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I've watched Special Forces obviously Traders is going on right now.
There's something I don't understand because I've not been on
one of these shows.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
It feels like these reality.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Television personalities, actors, athletes, you know, people that are in
the know that come on these shows, it's very quick
for them to get into some type of character. So
on Special Forces, you see the missions being done and
contestants get out of the off the mission and they
refer to, you know, the hosts of the show as chief.
(12:14):
You know, I think it's chief is what they call them, Like, yes, sir, yes, Chief,
Like there's a respect and it's not even doesn't feel forced,
it's it's just out of you know, respect and out
of respect for the show. Same thing with Traders. You
kind of get into character. You show up to this
house and right away you're in it, like people are acting,
people are Traders, people are you know, going along with that.
(12:35):
How does that happen so quickly? Is there like a
pre production, like, hey, this is who you are now
in this world? Does that just happen naturally from being
in the mansion in Scotland. I'm curious mostly asking how
do people get into characters so quickly without being professional actors?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, I don't think anyone got into the Traders. Maybe,
but I think for the most part everyone just kind
of being undeniably themselves in terms of like having respect
for the host. It's Salin Cummings. You know, he's a
kind of a big star. Was in he was in
a Bond film that I was excited about. He was
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in Annie with my wife. So yeah, maybe this was
one of my downfalls. I was just me there. I
was just doing me. I'm not a good enough actor
to like put on some big ruse for everybody. Maybe
if I had been a Trader, I would have done it.
I probably would have done the exact same thing, though,
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just like because I think the second you start acting
little funny, is this second people start questioning, like, what's
going on? And a good example of that is with
this trader Danielle in the most recent episode that I watched,
where she starts doing things in a mission where it
makes no sense. She's not trying to save herself and
she's acting funny, and everyone's like, what is going on?
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So yeah, I think the second that you start acting
a little bit different than who you are, I think
that's a big red flag. It's also interesting though, that
because this show it's an amalgamation of all these other
other reality shows, and it's like kind of like an
all star team of all these different really good reality
TV makers and people kind of come in there with
preconceived notions of like what these people are, and that's
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what they are. Like the Housewives don't stop talking like
it is yelling and screaming and being funny and like, uh.
And I think one of the downfalls that I had
was Robin says something like I noticed that you started
acting a little bit different, like after this thing, and
and I was, and I know exactly what she was
talking about, like when cameras aren't rolling, like I am
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not being funny, i am not talking to anybody, I'm
hanging out right, like I'm not wasting good jokes on
no cameras being on. But the Housewives they have they
could give two shots that there are cameras there. It's
just them like this all the time, which I wild
to me. So then that's the thing that you had
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like kind of put into when you're judging people or
like trying to suss out people, it's like how they
are kind of in their natural habitat. And that was
a funny thing because I think that different reality TV
people are different. And then you have the people who
are really good at or go on the reality shows
that are games, right, survivor the Challenge big brother, and
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then that's a whole thing because you're like, you're good
at manipulating people, whereas like the people from The Bachelor
are like good at saying you're here for the wrong reason,
you know, like that's the only thing that we can do.
So yeah, it's interesting to go in there, and I
don't think people are acting different. I think people are
just trying to figure out how people normally act when
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y're there.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Very interesting, Sarah said, your wife, Sarah said that she
she said she wasn't proud of you.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
That was first of all, whoever did that? Interviews I'm
annoyed with that. They asked if she was proud, and
I said, well, probably not. You know, like I'm I
want this show like like a meetly off. But I
was like, I don't think the truth of the matters.
I don't think she cares. Really. She was just like, yeah, whatever,
you're an idiot. No, she didn't say that. That's what
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I think that she probably thinks. You know, at the
end of the day, she was like, great, you're gonna
come home sooner.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, you know, yeah, it's yeah, I mean i'd be shocking.
I mean it almost be pitiful. She was proud of you, Like, well,
is this is kind of what I expected. I'm just
proud that you went like it'd be kind of like sad, like, well,
you didn't have it any other expectations for me to
be there longer. Yeah, we're proud that I showed up.
(16:46):
All right, Wells, you looked really good though, especially in
your pictures, your promo pictures, your video. The first episode
did a great suit on Is that a suit you
specifically chose for this moment because it felt very much
like a Trader suit?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Oh for sure. So it's so this is what sucked
about doing this show, Like a big part of it
is the fashion, Like it's now become a thing of
like you got to bring it like Alan kind of
sets the you know, sets the bar, and then you're
just like kind of chasing after Alan, like trying to
look good. So I got a freaking stylist. I paid
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a ton of money all these looks. I got to
do one of them.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I had so many cool things and then when what
they what I get banished in was my least favorite
look that they were like you gotta wear this one,
and I was like shakes. So yeah, I had so
many good I had so many good looks. I told
the stylist. I was like, I want to look you know,
like this, you know, uh, the kingsman or gentleman. I
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was like, that's go find that stuff. That's what I
want to look look like. It was a lot of plaids,
a lot of tweeds, like mountains toothed. Oh, I'll tell
you what. You know, America really was robbed of just
me serving so many looks that never was seen.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Now you know what it feels like to be a
girl who's eliminated on Night one of the Bachelor. Yeah,
it's tough, disappointing.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Well, I want to dive in here a little bit
to some of the unique characters in this show. Tom
Sanderbal obviously has been in the headlines it felt it
feels like for years. Uh what was it like meeting Tom?
And did you know him before?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I don't think i'd met him before. But it's funny.
We both have the same manager, so I'm familiar with
him and his antics and stuff, and like, you know,
I guess the headlines of Tom Sandibal, you know he was.
It's funny because he's like he's like a housewife there
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he talks so much, and you're like, dude, was this
ever stop? Is ever gonna stop talking? But he was
like really wanting to figure out who the traders were.
He just wasn't very good at it, or isn't very
good at it now. Who knows how things will go
going forward. But I remember thinking like, all right, if
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I'm producing this TV show, okay, these are the people
that I want to make traders, and these people that
I wouldn't want to make traders, and these people that
I think that could that have like the personality or
the backbone to do it. And I remember thinking like
it would be way too on the nose to make
like America's biggest villain a villain again, Like that makes
(19:38):
no sense. So I remember being like, whatever, you're not.
I know you're not a trader, dude, So like whatever,
I did that out with a lot of people, and
a lot of people didn't like that. That was like
my the way that I thought I was like, I
was like singling out people who I was like, there's
no way that they'd ever be a trader, and then
like making a small pool of people who I think
(19:59):
were possibil these And I remember Tony who is a
homicide detective in the roundtable, which was wasn't shown, but
he gave me crap for this way of thinking, and
I was like, Tony, you're a cop, isn't like the
number one thing when a crime is committed is to
figure out who's got an alibi so they can be
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out of like the investigation. What are you talking about?
And he didn't really have a very good response for that.
But yeah, Tom sandivalt was. He was just kind of
everything that you would expect Tom Sandival to be. He
didn't cheat on anybody there.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
What was your relationship with Gabby before the show?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
None? I had zero relationship with Gabby because she's never
done Paradise. She never even like come on as like,
you know, like a guest host or get you know,
date host or whatever in Paradise, so I had never
met her. She was lovely. I enjoyed hanging out with
her and the Bambi's Actually you don't watch a show,
but so there's I was like, yeah, so you have
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Gabby and then you have Koshelle from Selling Sunset, and
then you have Nikki Bella from like well, I think
that she's got her own reality show, but she's also
like a wrestler. Anyways, there are these like, you know,
beautiful women who have like amazing looks, and they called
themselves the Bambies and they were like best friends. And
so after the dragon boat race, I was in the
car with the Bambi's and uh, you know, there was
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this whole kind of like sub storyline of toxic masculinity
because we were because of the lot. Some of the
guys are saying the girls need to get out of
the boat first because they weren't as strong as the guys,
and YadA, YadA, YadA. And I had offered myself up
to get out because I didn't think that that was right.
And Gabby said something to the effect of like I
(21:54):
knew you were an ally and I was like, yes,
I'm in. I'm in with the Vanbi's and then and
I was banished and then you get kicked off but
they didn't vote for me, yeah, and then voted for me.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
The there's so many questions here about what you think
happens the rest of the season, and is there anything
else you can tease about the season. My assumption is
you know very little about what happens the rest of
the season, right, sure, Yeah, Is there anything then that
you can tease about how the rest of the season
plays out that listeners and then viewers could get really
(22:31):
excited about.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
No, I mean, I don't know, I know, I have
no idea. I'm watching it now, just like with you
guys as well. I'm really interested in this season because
I've been very critical of the traders and the decisions
that they've made, but like a lot of them haven't
made a whole lot of sense to me, and I'm
interested to see, if you know, the only smart decision
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I saw someone make as a trader was Rob not
putting anybody in the caskets that was a trader, which
made everyone think that there had to have been the
trader in one of those caskets. That was a good move.
Other than that, nothing has really kind of impressed me
in terms of like them manipulating the rest of the faithfuls.
So I'm excited to see if Wes is able to
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get Rob out, which looks like he's trying to hone in.
They're going to have to find another trader to replace him,
and I wonder who that person is going to be,
if one, and they'll accept it, and two if they'll
start making some better decisions to kind of right the ship,
because the Trader should win this game. They have all
the information, they are able to manipulate. The Faithful have
(23:39):
no idea what's going on, and it'll be interesting to
see who does win, because right now, if I'm looking
at the show completely objectively, I'm like, the Faithfuls are
going to win this game, like the Traders making these
crazy bad decisions. So I'm hoping that they are able
to bring in a new Trader that is able to
turn the tide a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So we'd like to predict. You know, I predicted that
trust that would be the next on Special Forces, and
I want to say that I think Ben is really
going to truly be the next on Special Forces from
the Bachelor franchise, except for Jess might kill him because
it'll probably be recording when they have a newborn show.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Do not do that show I having I'm more built
for like a Traders. Traders, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I see you in the Camo.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Oh god, that's you're gonna get hurt yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
All these they're like Navy seals kicking your ass every day.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I know it's scary as heck.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
There's not enough money in the world make me go
do that show.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I'm a better I'm a better version of myself when
Wells is with me, and so I would do it
if it was like both of us there, because then
I think we could survive. I just have this image
in my mind of us standing there at the end
getting cold water dumped over us for like eight hours straight,
being like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever done,
Like what, like what is happening?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, well, don't hold your breath because I'm never gonna
do that show. So we're not doing it together.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Special Forces producers hear this conversation to know that they
will not do it. I would because there is there
is enough money for me.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I'm not in a place to turn down money.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
So I think that you should do Traders one because
you're such a likable, affable guy. And I just I
do think that TV is better when Bend's on it, you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Know, Yeah, totally agree. Who do you think is gonna
be the next Traders bachel Are contestant?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that'll be interesting to see.
I pitched Joey on it. He was like, I'm not
sure yet, he's like doing Dancing with the Stars. Who
is Well, I guess let's wait and see who's like
a big name on Grant season.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
I have the perfect people. I can I answer this question, please?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I think it's it's Rachel Kirconnell. I think they have
to pull her on from this Matt James breakup and
make put her on Traders.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, or you know, it'd be even better Matt put
them both on.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
That sounds like a Paradise scenario. Well, speaking of Paradise,
we've heard headlines, We've read headlines. I believe at some
point in the last six months it was like mildly
confirmed that Paradise is coming back.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
What do you know about it? Would you be a
part of it? Are you a part of it?
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Well?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I know that there's a new showrunner. I did see that,
like that was released, So that's like, I guess that's
like Layman terms, like that's a new boss. So it'll
be interesting to see, like what they decide to do
with the show going forward. I love doing that show.
I've done you know whatever, eight seasons, nine seasons of it,
so I think it would be a huge bummer if
(27:03):
I wasn't a part of it, but obviously, you know,
who knows what's going to happen, Like we weren't able
to do it last season because they were filming Golden Bachelorette,
which was a fantastic show, don't get me wrong. But
my thought is, Paradise is such fun TV, and sometimes
(27:24):
I watch what's on TV and I'm like, I need
more fun, I need more happiness, I need more silliness,
which I think that show does a good job of.
And so I guess my thing is is like I
hope it comes back purely for that, whether I'm a
part of it or not, I.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Don't know how.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
You don't have to comment on this, wells I think
Ashley and myself both agree, And I don't think this
is a controversial statement.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I'd actually say I'd.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Put if we put a pull out there, one hundred
percent of the people degree, I don't think it is
Paradise without you there, Like, I don't think that makes
sense to me. And when I think of Paradise, I
think of you. You're like the one person that could
never leave the beach.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Now, yeah, I'm stuck in that bar.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, I just don't see it without you, Like I
don't think it's as fun and silly and sometimes emotional
and romantic without you.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think I've become
on that show. Like you know, when they did the
season of the Bachelor that wasn't at the Mansion, I
felt like that was so weird and I hated it,
and I'm like, you got it. You can't you got
to go back there, Like that's such a main character,
Like that's such an important thing, and so yeah, I
(28:31):
think for Paradise, like it would be weird because like,
I've just been there for so long. I know, you
know what the pitfalls are. You know, I've seen so
many people find love, been a part of those relationships,
married some of them personally. So yeah, I agree with you.
I think it would be weird if I wasn't a
part of it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
But you know, if a showrunner wants to make their
life a little easier, like hey, I'm sure this person's
fully capable of doing the job that they've been hired
to do if they want to make their life a
little easier, and they happen to see this headline bring
in wells, he knows how this thing works.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
They will get a lot of backlash if they don't
have you there.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah yeah, I don't know if they need any more
of that either.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
All right, well, thank you so much. Wells. I really
think that I'm gonna watch an episode because man, so
many people are talking about this show. So if I
watch an episode, it will be yours.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It's a first of all, I want two episodes, not
just one. Oh okay, so short, all right, but not
on three on three no, no, no, no no. It is
a fantastic show. And like the second you, I think
for you like understand what's going on. Yeah, extremely hooked.
So yeah, go, I really do think you'll like it.
(29:46):
And then also you should just be on it, like
go watch it so you can tell your agent to
be like, go get me the show.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think that I'm very far down the totem pole.
I think that Caitlin Bristow will be issuing. Yeah, probably Joe.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost In his podcast today
we have Wells Adams on. He's going to talk to
us about his experience on Traders. It was a brief
experience and I'm sure you're sad about that. And we
were just talking about how you know, Ben has watched
your episode. I haven't watched it yet, and I don't
haven't watched it yet because I tried to watch Peter
(00:27):
season and I was so confused by the concept. Do
they give you like some training on like I think
it's the most vague thing ever, Please please explain what
it works, how it works.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah. So it's based off a game that a lot,
like a lot of people play like at house parties
called Werewolf or Mafia. And yeah, it's it's a it's
derived from like an old Russian social experiment, Okay, And
the the thought is is that the the informed few
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always will be able to be more powerful than the
uninformed masses. So it's it's a little meta, I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Okay, thank you for admitting that it is meta.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah. So the idea is is that you've got you know,
you go to this this castle in Scotland, and Alan Cummings,
who's this amazing actor, is the host of it, and
he's kind of the lord of the manor. And he
puts everyone around this big table and uh, makes everyone
put blindfolds on, and then you have an orgy. And
(01:37):
then after that, kid, I'm a joke, joking that didn't happen,
or at least what I was there gone it might
have had the orgy might have happened afterwards, which is
such a bummer. And so yeah, he chooses who the
traders are, and then basically the idea is is the
rest of the show is all the Faithfuls, the people
(02:01):
who aren't traders, are trying to figure out who the
traders are.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And if you are a trader, you're supposed to lie
and pretend that you're not and you're also in search.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yes, okay, yeah, and so yeah, every night the Traders
murder somebody, and then every day the Faithfuls try to
figure out who why they were murdered, and who could
have done it, and then they vote to say who
the one of the Traders is that would have murdered
(02:32):
that person. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Okay? So do the traders get together to tell Hi
Ben Hi Ben Ben's here. I just jumped into this.
That was cool, Okay, Okay, So when you guys do
the traders get together? Do they know who each other are?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes? So every night they come together in like the
in a turret at like the top of the castle,
and they talk about who they want to murder, and
they write it down on a piece of parchment and
then they murder whoever they're going to murder. And then
the next morning everyone comes to breakfast and then that's
(03:14):
when it's revealed who they murdered that night.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But it's all a metaphorical murder.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, No, one actually was all obviously.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But I mean, like, so do you like sit around
the round table and then you go so and so
was murdered, but they still sit in front of us.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
No, you leave, you leave the show?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh they're just gone.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah okay.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Well, as I have a couple questions for you that
I'm just curious about, and I don't want to switch
gears yet, but I do have a question on this
overall reality television or like stars going back onto reality television,
how that all works.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I have a theory about, uh, why.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You were eliminated, And I want to know what you
think to this. I think everybody there realized that you're
probably the only person that actually knew how to play
this game and knew what the show was. And I mean,
if I was on that show, I would say, let's
take out the strongest person first before they can kind
of get their grip into this experience.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Do you think that had any any role in you
getting eliminated?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Now?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I mean I think that.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I think that they probably saw me as someone who
was like not a complete idiot.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You know, are you insinuating that other people in the
house are idiots?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I just I mean I don't even know if I
was there long enough for them to like pinpoint that
like I'm a huge threat. You know. My my plan
going into it was to like be under the radar,
really not say much, just be kind of like likable.
And you know, the first mission that we go do
is this like kind of big dragon boat race where
we had to elect someone to work the rudder to
(04:56):
steer the boat. And so the question was posed like,
so who's like who's the best leader here, Who's you know,
who's smart, who can do this? And everyone like unanimously
chose me, and we're like five hours in to filming
the show, and I was like, Okay, well, I'm not
doing a very good job of like staying under the
radar because apparently they think I'm some like amazing ship captain.
(05:19):
So so I knew I immediately. I was like, Okay,
I think that people maybe are sensing that, like I'm
outspoken or somewhat of a leader. But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, yes and no, because the way that I
get banished, the last person to make the vote is
a trader in Carolyn, and so I do think that
(05:39):
there was some conversation of like, if we can get
Wells out, let's get him out now. But yeah, I
mean there are some other like really really cerebral players
in the game that I would be very nervous about,
more so than me. Like I think Dylan's very smart,
and I think that they surprised that they haven't tried
to get him out because I think that Dylan, yeah,
my boy, Dylan e Fron. So Yeah, No, I mean,
(06:02):
I uh, that's a night. That's a nice sentiment, Ben
to say that the reason why I'm off the show
is because I was such a threat because of my
you know.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Massive brain. Uh yeah, well you got something big. So
then the.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
If you get eliminated. Now you look back, is there
any strategy that you wish you would have done differently?
Like any regrets, not from the experience, and oh I
look like this, but anything that you wish you would
have gone in doing differently.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I mean, you know, Alan sits you down and ask
if you want to be a trader or not. And
I was just really indifferent. And I think that that
was probably not a really great like strategy, but that's
just how I felt, and that's how I still feel.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Like.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He was like, do you want to be a trader?
And I was like, man, if I was a trader,
I'd be good at it. Uh. If I'm not, I
think I'll be really good at like figuring out who
the traders are, because you know, on Paradise, my whole
job is to sit there and listen to these you
know people complain and whatever and give them advice and stuff.
So I'm usually like a good you know, judge of character.
(07:09):
And I thought I'd be able to figure out who
the traders were pretty easily. So I was just like
super indifferent, like I guess going back, like, I think
the play is to probably beg to be a trader
because at least you have you have the power to
not be banished so easily, you know, because you at
least have the other traders that should be on your side,
(07:31):
you can help like create diversions to put it on
other people. Whereas for my situation, I was just like
total sacrificial lamp. The truth of the matter is what
happened was they killed Derinda the night before, and everyone
thought that Dorinda was a trader, Like there was no
question in the house. We all were like, she's definitely
a trader. She was the first one to get off
(07:52):
the dragon boat, which means she didn't care about having immunity.
She comes back to the house so angry, yelling and
screaming at people. Everyone was like, this is a little much,
you know, it's like Jesus, calm down, so you're kind
of overacting. So that night we all were like, uh, yeah,
I think that we're all going to vote for her,
right and everyone was like uh huh. And then the
(08:12):
next morning she's the one who's murdered. And so I
say the thing, which is the thing that like ultimately
gets me killed, which to to your point, maybe what
I would have done differently is I wouldn't have said
the thing that I said. But I was like, that
was a dumb move. Why would you kill someone we
were already going to banish in seven hours, like get
someone else out, that's a that's a bigger threat, or
to like throw you know, confusion a different way, But
(08:36):
why would you We were going to do the work
for you. And so I say it, and I stand
ten toes in the sand on this. I think it
was stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
They haven't made a whole lot of decisions the traders
that I think have been smart thus far. Now I
was the second, the second one out of that show,
so I don't know if it's about me, but uh yeah,
I shouldn't have said that because when I said that,
people got well one person got a fend and which
is which was Robin. And she was like, I think
it was solely smart, And I was like what And
know everyone agreed with me except for her, And then
(09:09):
that's how she like started the campaign against me. Was
a trader would say that? I was like, a trader
would make fun of the decision they made. I don't
know if that's true at all. Anyways, So.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
A lot of these reality shows are recruiting former Bachelor
stars and you know, the former housewives and all that.
So I was on Stars on Mars and I felt
like there was no producer involvement. And then those who
were on Special Forces say the same, How was that
with with your show?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Same? Yeah, it's it's such a different experience to what
Bachelor Nation feels like, where like you have a producer
that's kind of always with you and like always does
your interviews with you and stuff. So yeah, it's very
very hands off, which I think I think is a
testament to you know, it's it's putting a lot of
(10:04):
faith in just the show being good, you know, like
you're not manipulating, not changing things around. So yeah, it's
no like there's not even anyone in the room when
you're doing interviews.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yes, that was my experience. I didn't like that. I
didn't like the way that they did it because I
just didn't feel it was personal. I don't know, I
felt like I needed to have some sort of rapport
with the people that I was putting this show on.
But that was just probably because of like four seasons
of The Bachelor.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, and well you need the battery. You become really
close with those producers. Yeah. So so like.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
The purpose, so you don't have you didn't have anyone
other than the cast interact with.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I have kind of a general question here before we
go back into some of the characters specifically that you
met during your time at Traders. And I do want
to say this, Jess, can I follow X The night
that you got eliminated, people were pretty upset about your elimination.
I think they were excited to watch you again on television,
(11:19):
kind of in your own work, like with your own personality,
doing your thing. I was obviously upset too. I don't
like that they let you go. I think it made
the show worse. But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Ratings would disagree with you. It's like the number one.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I don't think anybody else characters that might be the
only one that's all right.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I've watched Special Forces obviously Traders is going on right now.
There's something I don't understand because I've not been on
one of these shows.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
It feels like these reality.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Television personalities, actors, athletes, you know, people that are in
the know that come on these shows, it's very quick
for them to get into some type of character. So
on Special Forces, you see the missions being done and
contestants get out of the off the mission and they
refer to, you know, the hosts of the show as chief.
(12:14):
You know, I think it's chief is what they call them, Like, yes, sir, yes, Chief,
Like there's a respect and it's not even doesn't feel forced,
it's it's just out of you know, respect and out
of respect for the show. Same thing with Traders. You
kind of get into character. You show up to this
house and right away you're in it, like people are acting,
people are Traders, people are you know, going along with that.
(12:35):
How does that happen so quickly? Is there like a
pre production, like, hey, this is who you are now
in this world? Does that just happen naturally from being
in the mansion in Scotland. I'm curious mostly asking how
do people get into characters so quickly without being professional actors?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, I don't think anyone got into the Traders. Maybe,
but I think for the most part everyone just kind
of being undeniably themselves in terms of like having respect
for the host. It's Salin Cummings. You know, he's a
kind of a big star. Was in he was in
a Bond film that I was excited about. He was
(13:16):
in Annie with my wife. So yeah, maybe this was
one of my downfalls. I was just me there. I
was just doing me. I'm not a good enough actor
to like put on some big ruse for everybody. Maybe
if I had been a Trader, I would have done it.
I probably would have done the exact same thing, though,
(13:37):
just like because I think the second you start acting
little funny, is this second people start questioning, like, what's
going on? And a good example of that is with
this trader Danielle in the most recent episode that I watched,
where she starts doing things in a mission where it
makes no sense. She's not trying to save herself and
she's acting funny, and everyone's like, what is going on?
(13:58):
So yeah, I think the second that you start acting
a little bit different than who you are, I think
that's a big red flag. It's also interesting though, that
because this show it's an amalgamation of all these other
other reality shows, and it's like kind of like an
all star team of all these different really good reality
TV makers and people kind of come in there with
preconceived notions of like what these people are, and that's
(14:19):
what they are. Like the Housewives don't stop talking like
it is yelling and screaming and being funny and like, uh.
And I think one of the downfalls that I had
was Robin says something like I noticed that you started
acting a little bit different, like after this thing, and
and I was, and I know exactly what she was
talking about, like when cameras aren't rolling, like I am
(14:41):
not being funny, i am not talking to anybody, I'm
hanging out right, like I'm not wasting good jokes on
no cameras being on. But the Housewives they have they
could give two shots that there are cameras there. It's
just them like this all the time, which I wild
to me. So then that's the thing that you had
(15:02):
like kind of put into when you're judging people or
like trying to suss out people, it's like how they
are kind of in their natural habitat. And that was
a funny thing because I think that different reality TV
people are different. And then you have the people who
are really good at or go on the reality shows
that are games, right, survivor the Challenge big brother, and
(15:24):
then that's a whole thing because you're like, you're good
at manipulating people, whereas like the people from The Bachelor
are like good at saying you're here for the wrong reason,
you know, like that's the only thing that we can do.
So yeah, it's interesting to go in there, and I
don't think people are acting different. I think people are
just trying to figure out how people normally act when
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y're there.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Very interesting, Sarah said, your wife, Sarah said that she
she said she wasn't proud of you.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
That was first of all, whoever did that? Interviews I'm
annoyed with that. They asked if she was proud, and
I said, well, probably not. You know, like I'm I
want this show like like a meetly off. But I
was like, I don't think the truth of the matters.
I don't think she cares. Really. She was just like, yeah, whatever,
you're an idiot. No, she didn't say that. That's what
(16:19):
I think that she probably thinks. You know, at the
end of the day, she was like, great, you're gonna
come home sooner.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, you know, yeah, it's yeah, I mean i'd be shocking.
I mean it almost be pitiful. She was proud of you, Like, well,
is this is kind of what I expected. I'm just
proud that you went like it'd be kind of like sad, like, well,
you didn't have it any other expectations for me to
be there longer. Yeah, we're proud that I showed up.
(16:46):
All right, Wells, you looked really good though, especially in
your pictures, your promo pictures, your video. The first episode
did a great suit on Is that a suit you
specifically chose for this moment because it felt very much
like a Trader suit?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Oh for sure. So it's so this is what sucked
about doing this show, Like a big part of it
is the fashion, Like it's now become a thing of
like you got to bring it like Alan kind of
sets the you know, sets the bar, and then you're
just like kind of chasing after Alan, like trying to
look good. So I got a freaking stylist. I paid
(17:21):
a ton of money all these looks. I got to
do one of them.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I had so many cool things and then when what
they what I get banished in was my least favorite
look that they were like you gotta wear this one,
and I was like shakes. So yeah, I had so
many good I had so many good looks. I told
the stylist. I was like, I want to look you know,
like this, you know, uh, the kingsman or gentleman. I
(17:53):
was like, that's go find that stuff. That's what I
want to look look like. It was a lot of plaids,
a lot of tweeds, like mountains toothed. Oh, I'll tell
you what. You know, America really was robbed of just
me serving so many looks that never was seen.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Now you know what it feels like to be a
girl who's eliminated on Night one of the Bachelor. Yeah,
it's tough, disappointing.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Well, I want to dive in here a little bit
to some of the unique characters in this show. Tom
Sanderbal obviously has been in the headlines it felt it
feels like for years. Uh what was it like meeting Tom?
And did you know him before?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I don't think i'd met him before. But it's funny.
We both have the same manager, so I'm familiar with
him and his antics and stuff, and like, you know,
I guess the headlines of Tom Sandibal, you know he was.
It's funny because he's like he's like a housewife there
(18:52):
he talks so much, and you're like, dude, was this
ever stop? Is ever gonna stop talking? But he was
like really wanting to figure out who the traders were.
He just wasn't very good at it, or isn't very
good at it now. Who knows how things will go
going forward. But I remember thinking like, all right, if
(19:15):
I'm producing this TV show, okay, these are the people
that I want to make traders, and these people that
I wouldn't want to make traders, and these people that
I think that could that have like the personality or
the backbone to do it. And I remember thinking like
it would be way too on the nose to make
like America's biggest villain a villain again, Like that makes
(19:38):
no sense. So I remember being like, whatever, you're not.
I know you're not a trader, dude, So like whatever,
I did that out with a lot of people, and
a lot of people didn't like that. That was like
my the way that I thought I was like, I
was like singling out people who I was like, there's
no way that they'd ever be a trader, and then
like making a small pool of people who I think
(19:59):
were possibil these And I remember Tony who is a
homicide detective in the roundtable, which was wasn't shown, but
he gave me crap for this way of thinking, and
I was like, Tony, you're a cop, isn't like the
number one thing when a crime is committed is to
figure out who's got an alibi so they can be
(20:20):
out of like the investigation. What are you talking about?
And he didn't really have a very good response for that.
But yeah, Tom sandivalt was. He was just kind of
everything that you would expect Tom Sandival to be. He
didn't cheat on anybody there.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
What was your relationship with Gabby before the show?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
None? I had zero relationship with Gabby because she's never
done Paradise. She never even like come on as like,
you know, like a guest host or get you know,
date host or whatever in Paradise, so I had never
met her. She was lovely. I enjoyed hanging out with
her and the Bambi's Actually you don't watch a show,
but so there's I was like, yeah, so you have
(21:08):
Gabby and then you have Koshelle from Selling Sunset, and
then you have Nikki Bella from like well, I think
that she's got her own reality show, but she's also
like a wrestler. Anyways, there are these like, you know,
beautiful women who have like amazing looks, and they called
themselves the Bambies and they were like best friends. And
so after the dragon boat race, I was in the
car with the Bambi's and uh, you know, there was
(21:31):
this whole kind of like sub storyline of toxic masculinity
because we were because of the lot. Some of the
guys are saying the girls need to get out of
the boat first because they weren't as strong as the guys,
and YadA, YadA, YadA. And I had offered myself up
to get out because I didn't think that that was right.
And Gabby said something to the effect of like I
(21:54):
knew you were an ally and I was like, yes,
I'm in. I'm in with the Vanbi's and then and
I was banished and then you get kicked off but
they didn't vote for me, yeah, and then voted for me.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
The there's so many questions here about what you think
happens the rest of the season, and is there anything
else you can tease about the season. My assumption is
you know very little about what happens the rest of
the season, right, sure, Yeah, Is there anything then that
you can tease about how the rest of the season
plays out that listeners and then viewers could get really
(22:31):
excited about.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
No, I mean, I don't know, I know, I have
no idea. I'm watching it now, just like with you
guys as well. I'm really interested in this season because
I've been very critical of the traders and the decisions
that they've made, but like a lot of them haven't
made a whole lot of sense to me, and I'm
interested to see, if you know, the only smart decision
(22:55):
I saw someone make as a trader was Rob not
putting anybody in the caskets that was a trader, which
made everyone think that there had to have been the
trader in one of those caskets. That was a good move.
Other than that, nothing has really kind of impressed me
in terms of like them manipulating the rest of the faithfuls.
So I'm excited to see if Wes is able to
(23:16):
get Rob out, which looks like he's trying to hone in.
They're going to have to find another trader to replace him,
and I wonder who that person is going to be,
if one, and they'll accept it, and two if they'll
start making some better decisions to kind of right the ship,
because the Trader should win this game. They have all
the information, they are able to manipulate. The Faithful have
(23:39):
no idea what's going on, and it'll be interesting to
see who does win, because right now, if I'm looking
at the show completely objectively, I'm like, the Faithfuls are
going to win this game, like the Traders making these
crazy bad decisions. So I'm hoping that they are able
to bring in a new Trader that is able to
turn the tide a little bit.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So we'd like to predict. You know, I predicted that
trust that would be the next on Special Forces, and
I want to say that I think Ben is really
going to truly be the next on Special Forces from
the Bachelor franchise, except for Jess might kill him because
it'll probably be recording when they have a newborn show.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Do not do that show I having I'm more built
for like a Traders. Traders, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I see you in the Camo.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Oh god, that's you're gonna get hurt yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
All these they're like Navy seals kicking your ass every day.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I know it's scary as heck.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
There's not enough money in the world make me go
do that show.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I'm a better I'm a better version of myself when
Wells is with me, and so I would do it
if it was like both of us there, because then
I think we could survive. I just have this image
in my mind of us standing there at the end
getting cold water dumped over us for like eight hours straight,
being like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever done,
Like what, like what is happening?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, well, don't hold your breath because I'm never gonna
do that show. So we're not doing it together.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Special Forces producers hear this conversation to know that they
will not do it. I would because there is there
is enough money for me.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I'm not in a place to turn down money.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
So I think that you should do Traders one because
you're such a likable, affable guy. And I just I
do think that TV is better when Bend's on it, you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Know, Yeah, totally agree. Who do you think is gonna
be the next Traders bachel Are contestant?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that'll be interesting to see.
I pitched Joey on it. He was like, I'm not
sure yet, he's like doing Dancing with the Stars. Who
is Well, I guess let's wait and see who's like
a big name on Grant season.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
I have the perfect people. I can I answer this question, please?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I think it's it's Rachel Kirconnell. I think they have
to pull her on from this Matt James breakup and
make put her on Traders.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, or you know, it'd be even better Matt put
them both on.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
That sounds like a Paradise scenario. Well, speaking of Paradise,
we've heard headlines, We've read headlines. I believe at some
point in the last six months it was like mildly
confirmed that Paradise is coming back.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
What do you know about it? Would you be a
part of it? Are you a part of it?
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Well?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I know that there's a new showrunner. I did see that,
like that was released, So that's like, I guess that's
like Layman terms, like that's a new boss. So it'll
be interesting to see, like what they decide to do
with the show going forward. I love doing that show.
I've done you know whatever, eight seasons, nine seasons of it,
so I think it would be a huge bummer if
(27:03):
I wasn't a part of it, but obviously, you know,
who knows what's going to happen, Like we weren't able
to do it last season because they were filming Golden Bachelorette,
which was a fantastic show, don't get me wrong. But
my thought is, Paradise is such fun TV, and sometimes
(27:24):
I watch what's on TV and I'm like, I need
more fun, I need more happiness, I need more silliness,
which I think that show does a good job of.
And so I guess my thing is is like I
hope it comes back purely for that, whether I'm a
part of it or not, I.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Don't know how.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
You don't have to comment on this, wells I think
Ashley and myself both agree, And I don't think this
is a controversial statement.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I'd actually say I'd.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Put if we put a pull out there, one hundred
percent of the people degree, I don't think it is
Paradise without you there, Like, I don't think that makes
sense to me. And when I think of Paradise, I
think of you. You're like the one person that could
never leave the beach.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Now, yeah, I'm stuck in that bar.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, I just don't see it without you, Like I
don't think it's as fun and silly and sometimes emotional
and romantic without you.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think I've become
on that show. Like you know, when they did the
season of the Bachelor that wasn't at the Mansion, I
felt like that was so weird and I hated it,
and I'm like, you got it. You can't you got
to go back there, Like that's such a main character,
Like that's such an important thing, and so yeah, I
(28:31):
think for Paradise, like it would be weird because like,
I've just been there for so long. I know, you
know what the pitfalls are. You know, I've seen so
many people find love, been a part of those relationships,
married some of them personally. So yeah, I agree with you.
I think it would be weird if I wasn't a
part of it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
But you know, if a showrunner wants to make their
life a little easier, like hey, I'm sure this person's
fully capable of doing the job that they've been hired
to do if they want to make their life a
little easier, and they happen to see this headline bring
in wells, he knows how this thing works.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
They will get a lot of backlash if they don't
have you there.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah yeah, I don't know if they need any more
of that either.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
All right, well, thank you so much. Wells. I really
think that I'm gonna watch an episode because man, so
many people are talking about this show. So if I
watch an episode, it will be yours.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It's a first of all, I want two episodes, not
just one. Oh okay, so short, all right, but not
on three on three no, no, no, no no. It is
a fantastic show. And like the second you, I think
for you like understand what's going on. Yeah, extremely hooked.
So yeah, go, I really do think you'll like it.
(29:46):
And then also you should just be on it, like
go watch it so you can tell your agent to
be like, go get me the show.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I think that I'm very far down the totem pole.
I think that Caitlin Bristow will be issuing. Yeah, probably Joe.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
She don't sell yourself, short short, we got ten years
of the almost famous podcasts come in your ways everywhere
you can listen to podcasts. Please go rate and review
us only if it's a nice thing to say. If
it's a mean thing to say, don't say it at all. Wells,
thanks for coming on the show. Until next time, I've
Been Ben.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I've Been Ashley CIA.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
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