Bobby reveals what he found out about the guy who challenged him to a $1000 Pickleball game. There's a development on whether it's going down or not and we need your help! Bobby sees if the guys can guest list the Best Dunkers in NBA history. Eddie shares his woes and wins of betting on college basketball. We talk about the best dunkers in NBA history and is Gronk returning to the NFL? We also talk to Grant McCasland who is the head coach of men's basketball at Texas Tech. He talks about his complicated relationship with the refs, how his family is affected being in the public eye, how he feels when players miss free throws and Patrick Mahomes coming to their game recently.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
A podcast call twenty five whist stuck and they go
wearing a whist So, yeah, it's too bad, but what
did you expect? It's a podcast call twenty five whistles.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Blow the whistle? Do we ever keep track of how
many episodes we're in? Mike? Do we do that anymore?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
One million, eighty two this season?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Thank good for us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Where's the money was rolling in? Like we've done a bunch, No.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Eighty two that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Hey guys, yeah, everybody out there listening. If you listen
to this, would you please subscribe on our own channel
and then uh, if you don't mind, give us a
review and then anything like that would be great.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Then tell your friends right, like, oh I listen to
this podcast, you should too?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Host it man?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah yeah please yeah, drop it into the group text.
Yeah please guys, like, wait, I'll be honest, we need
to help. So yeah, thank you all for listening. I
do have an update if you're ready for an update,
I'm ready for an update on pick a ball situation.
Oh for those that are new, I post a video
on me just hitting a pickle ball and some troll
jumps up and goes you suck. I can tell you
(01:09):
suck because you didn't come up to the net, and
I'm like, bro. Then playing a tournament, it was like
the first day back after winter, and so I'm like,
let's go, let's play the game. Me and you thousand bucks.
All did was challenge the troll and apparently he's a
four year D one athlete and.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Whatever, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Whatever, I'm willing to go against a four year D
one athlete.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Just to try to fight a troll boom.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Because I don't like people to jump in with negativity
for no reason. And I understand I'd probably the underdog
in this situation, but I don't care. And he's like,
here's my home court. But here's the thing. I said.
We'll play for money, but I don't want to get scammed.
I've been scammed more than once with money doing content
where I'm like, here's five hundred bucks and then it's
the wrong doesn't matter. How do I get the money
(01:53):
to somewhere and he gets the money to somewhere, Like
who's the somewhere?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, that's interesting because I do.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Not want to get scammed. And I'm also just not
gonna believe somebody because if we go up there we
go up there, or the underdogs all good, we take
the whole crew, we shoot it. I stand. I've never
said this. I stun a business. I know, I've never
actually said that. I don't know how I felt, but
I tried it. I don't want to go in and
be like, I'm not giving you the money.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So if you do like a Venmo account, right, it
doesn't matter whose it is. You have a Venmo account.
It shows that the money is in there, right it does.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But who gets to know the person that has the
Venmo account? Because if I were him, I wouldn't trust.
If I'm like, just send me the thousand bucks and
I'll hold it or one of my boys will hold it.
I don't know that I would trust that. And if
he did the same thing, like send it here or
send it to something I have access to, that's me
getting scammed.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
And then can we trust going all the way to Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's somewhere in Ohio? I think it's So.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
We go all the way to Ohio and he doesn't
show up. Like, that's not good either, right, So we
need to have the money, but for anyone travels anywhere, correct.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So here's the challenge, because I want to do this,
and to me, it doesn't matter. It's not about winning
or losing. I want to win for sure, and I
want to win the money. But it's mostly like if
people are gonnatrol, they should be called out for it. Yeah,
I want to do it. I just need to do
it in a way that it's safe to put my
money somewhere. So think about this. This is going to
(03:23):
be the challenge or if you're listening and you know
how we could do this because he's like, let's go,
but I haven't responded yet because I don't know how
to do this without getting possibly scammed.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You couldn't do like the half and half? Right, five
hundred isn't it enough?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Where does it go?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, that's another I'm just yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't We both would have to do that. But
it's the same point. It's like, well, who's holding it,
and whoever's holding it if they're connected to one of
the two sides. I know we're trustworthy, but he doesn't
know that. And I don't even know who he is.
I don't even know his name.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
You know what he looks like.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I have no idea what he looks like. I probably
don't want to know I probably intimidated as a four
year D one athlete, but I'm not scared to go
and play. I just don't want to get scammed. So
think about that, and if any listeners out there you
want to send me a DM at mister Bobby Bones
and let me know what we could do, that's awesome too.
But I also have to think about him going, I'm
not putting my money somewhere I don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, so I mean you could go old school and
both get a money order and like send a picture
of the money order to the other person to prove
that it's that it's set.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But I think if I were trying, okay, then I
don't even know what a money order is. Then I
try to scam it myself. Then I go, okay, I
took a picture, and then I would just go and
take it back, right because if I'm putting it in
his name, but he may never get it. If I win,
he's not getting it.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's true. I wish my dad was still alive.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
He used to deal with people from Mexico that was
always like this was always the conversation, like how do
I get money?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, we would do money orders.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
That's what we would do.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So that's where we are think about it. That's number
one here on the list. Number two. I do want
to talk about the toush push for a second. Oh
come on, do you think they should eliminate the tush
push before we get into what the teams? And again,
we're recording this on Thursdays, so when it comes out
on Friday there, I don't think they have voted by then.
M No.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think there's just a lot of talk during the
combine stover look.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
At the media, and I think is like in a
couple of weeks, okay, great, first the tush push.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Should it be banned Eddie?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
No way, Jose. You do not punish a team or
a coach for coming up with this amazing play that
is pretty much unstoppable. I think it's awesome and there's
no excuse like it's a safety issue. It wasn't a
safety issue, Like, come on, football is a safety issue.
The tush push is awesome, it's genius, and it should
(05:41):
remain the way it is.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Thanks soccrates. Football is a safety issue. You got it
going athens like preaching.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Out of here. You hate it because you can't stop it.
Now it is frustrating. I get it. We've been on
the other side of the toush push. It's frustrating. But
as I don't know, man, they just somebody came up
with a great idea and it works.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Kevin, I say, no, let's not get wishy washing.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Go ahead, but maybe we could tweak it. Okay, So
what about tweaking it? Like they've lined everybody up on
the line, they have two guys behind them to push them.
You're only allowed one guy behind them, and then another
guy's got to go out as wide receiver. Okay, So
you got to tweak the alignment okay, and the formation
a little bit to maybe give a little less advantage.
(06:27):
So it makes every other team happy and still makes
Eagles like Okay, we could still do it with a
little tweak.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Here can ask a question about that. Yeah, do we
really think that two people pushing effects it more than
one person?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, but it's still making this GM happy and the
other around the league happy and making everybody happy.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yours is more of a diplomatic give than something that
would actually change the toush push.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm with you, Yeah, and I agree with both of you,
and that the Eagles kind of discovered it. Sure did
their thing, and everybody else is just mad because they
can't do the thing. And people have tried. Buffalo, I
think was number two. They did it far less, but
Buffalo was number two. But then playoff Buffalo couldn'tven get
it to work five times. I think it's didn't even
get at the work. So I'll give you my answer.
I'll read you the story first from ESPN. The mystery
(07:12):
team proposing a ban of the Eagles Push Push is
the Packers, which, by the way, they don't even play them,
I mean once maybe. I mean imagine if you're also
over in the NFC East, you have to play him twice.
But the NFL's EVP of Football Operations, Troy Vincent, initially
chose not to identify the team, but Packers GM Brian
Guda Kuntz later owned it. At the NFL Combine, he
(07:35):
admitted the Packers quote hadn't been very successful against it,
and he expects quote a lot of discussions about it.
One of those discussions might be that teams should figure
out how to defend it instead of outright banning it,
a move that Eagles coach Nick Sirianne says would be
unfair to his team from again ESPN, I'm gonna say
ban it. Ooh, and not for the reasons that you
guys say, because I agree with both of you, Like
the Eagles came up with something nobody can stop it.
(07:58):
You got it, buddy. It's terribly boring for television, and
I'm always a this is a television show because that's
where the money is product first, So if you were
just playing it wasn't on TV.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Great.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I don't think the Eagles cheated. I think it's a
great idea, but it's boring to watch because there really
is no drama on a fourth and one when the
Eagles have the ball. So I think it was wildly smart.
But if I'm only speaking selfishly and as a network
executive or as the NFL that cares about television, I
probably am not allowing it unless there are certain things
(08:34):
like you can only tush push inside the five, like
I think there are modifications that you can make the
tush push inside the five, or you get two tush
pushes a game like challenges like in my Madden League
that we play in because the quarterback sneak it's kind
of a glitch where you can get it to work
almost every time for two yards. It's not even the tushpush.
(08:56):
You just quarterback sneak. You know you're gonna get two yards.
We can only quarterbacks sneak twice a game in a
user game we're playing another player. If we're playing the computer,
we do it all day. But we can only quarterbacks
sneak twice a game because it's a bit of a glitch.
But I would say the Eagles toushbush is a bit
of a glitch. They figured it out. So for television
reasons only, I don't like the toush push being able
(09:20):
to be done on the thirty eight yard line and
six times in a game. So I'm gonna say no
toush push. Oh but we want to touch push. We're
being okay, let's compromise. You get to a game, that's it,
or tushbush all you want inside the five.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Dang, that's such a better compromise of money.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But if I'm not compromising, I'm just going no tush
push for television reasons because admit it's boring.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Oh yeah, it's boring. But you know what's not boring
is when a team hires a physics professor to figure
out the physics of how to stop something like this,
and they actually stop it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
That's boring. If somebody's hiring a physics the football, that's boring, dude.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But if they stop it, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But they can't, nobody can.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Persistently, somebody is going to figure out how to stop it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I don't think it's a physics thing. I don't think so, no,
because I think it's a quarterback that has very strong
legs and a center that has a very strong butt,
and players that have now run it and know how
to do it and not be injured. I don't think
it's a physics thing.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Then maybe, like you get all of your linemen on
your team, backups and everything, and forget the secondary whenever
they show toush push, Your biggest men on the field.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Can't do that unless you're substitute. Like they can't substitute
on defense unless the offense substitutes.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Really didn't know that I changed that, then.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah's that rule. I think it's hilarious. I love the
toush push if it's my team, So I don't thinkre's
anything wrong with it. But I I'm bored by it.
And so the NFL does not want people to be
bored by anything, which is why they protect their quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Sure, it is a matter of time. You would think
that what they ban it?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And it well, and remember two years ago, you couldn't
use your hands or your body to influence anybody going forward. Yeah,
you could push them, grab them, you couldn't pull. That
was a rule. It's not as much anymore because the
toush push is just that everybody leaning in and maybe
you just do tush push, but there's nobody pushing the tush.
It's just a quarterback sneak. But then it's just a
quarterback sneak. Yeah, so there's only no tush in the push.
(11:19):
But I'm gonna go ban it because I'm bored by it.
Next up Gronk maybe coming back to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
No stop it. He can't. He looks like.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
He sees Travis Kelsey's like I can do.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
He looks like broken down RoboCop, like his last season
with the Bucks, like he just it looked like if
he got hit hard, he was not gonna get back up.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
He always looked like that though when he was younger.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He's only thirty five. Well, yeah, that's great, and that's
on the older end, but it's not like he's forty
three and he is a monster. A new report suggests
that future Hall of Fame tied end Rob Gronkowski may
not yet be done. The four time Super Bowl champion
is working out in Vail, Colorado, and his contempl retiring
from retirement. These same sources say that Gronk has liked
(12:06):
what he's seen from Broncos quarterback Bo Nicks, and also
the Bengals are one of the teams they think he
could go to. Interesting, He's not gonna go to the Patriots.
He's not gonna go to the Bucks. He went to
the Bucks for Brady's not going to the Patriots cause
they suck. If you're Gronk and you're gonna go play,
you're gonna go play at somebody who gives you a
chance to win a champion championship. So that would be fun.
(12:27):
I think that would be extremely hard for him to do,
being out of the league for so long. Yeah, when
you're known for being such a physical player, it's probably
hard to jump back in and be as physical. Because
it wasn't like he was known for his precision.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No did his body. I mean it took a toll
towards the end was like one hit will be like, Okay,
I'm good on this.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Actually I don't know, dude, he's huge.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
He is a monster.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You met him? No, did we see him at the
super Bowl? He was there at Radio Row, but I
don't know any of us ever saw him. I never
saw him, because I did see videos later that he
was there.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Okay, so you're saying you didn't seehim a person, you
just knew he was in the same place three points
because I was saying, is he mass. I have a
really good friend that's really good friends with them, and
a couple of times he's been like are you here,
I'm here with Gronk and like I want to talk
to gronk sister. Once for a birthday random.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I sent her a video Yeah, like cameo or my.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Friend that's friends with Gronk was like, hey, Gronk's sister
is here. He doesn't call him, Gronk tells him Rob Basically,
he's like, gronk sister is here. She's a big fan
of her birthday we're doing. Would you sent her a
video saying happy birthday? So I just sent him a
video of me going hey, Gronk sister wasn't her name,
but yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I know it's not the same. But we saw Jimmy Graham.
Oh he was at the stage right next to us
at one point. He was tall and just like.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yeah, when when you when those guys look big on
the field, you know they're just ginormous.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, yes, because they're up against other big people. Like
when I met Eli Manning years ago. Eli Manning doesn't
look big on the field. Eli Manning as a monster,
And that's just being even with those people. When someone
it's a great point when someone looks big, even on
the field, they're huge. I was blown away by the
Rams offensive lineman he came on the show. Yeah, Andrew Whitworth,
(14:14):
blown away with how massive he was. He's basketball player height,
professional basketball player height. And then offensive lineman waight, Yeah,
I don't know how you get around that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And Cam Hayward he was a monster. Yeah, I knew
was scary looking.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Do you remember him.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I do remember him, because I don't know he was
at first, but I would say he was scary looking
in that he was big, and oh my god, she
was huge, angry. Yeah, but he I don't think he
was like Wentworth's size, because I don't think he was
as tall.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
No, no, he's not as tall as Whitworth. Whitworth was
like you can see him in a sea of people
and his head is above everyone else.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He okay, get this, he's three hundred and thirty one pounds.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, and then six seven to he's got to be
at least yeah, he's got he's six seven six seven
three point thirty. That's like Gladiator. That's like back in
the day, he'd been in the middle of the coliseum,
like fighting people because he's so big. Huh yeah wild.
They ranked the best dunkers in NBA history. Now I've
(15:18):
seen the list, so unfair, but I think I can do.
Had I not seen the list, I can give you
a rough overview who I said. I have been wrong
on some of them because I would have only been
going from slam dunk contests from being a kid, so
I would have picked people like Spud Weeb. He won
it in like eighty four, I think, and he was
five foot six and he wasn't the best dunker, but
(15:38):
the fact that someone that small could dunk, which I
thought was crazy, Like I would have thought of Spud
web just some of the dunk contest winners I think about,
like d Brown, he did the look into the arm Celtics.
Oh yeah, that was like in a big Sports illustrated
fold out like that was cool. But he wasn't like
a crazy good NBA player that was dunking all the
time in games. I would have picked Dominique Wilkins because
how angry he was when he dunked in games. And
(16:00):
it slam dunk contest obviously. I had to pick Michael
Jordan just because he has very famous dunks and he
dunked a lot, but he has some really famous and
his logo is a dunk.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yes, it is the Jumpman's a dunk.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, right, that picture didn't come from him dunking.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, but Hugh did it at some point I remember,
like maybe he recreated or something, maybe during a slam
dunk contest, but he did do the but the picture
was first Yeah, I bet you're right about that.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And the picture was not him dunking. It was just
like him jumping. Yeah, something weird, like it wasn't even
yet Mike, would you mind looking that up?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Or or could it be a celebration, like you know
how you jump up and fist pumping.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I feel like it was something contrived and set up,
but it wasn't a dunk Michael find it. Oh we'll
mention a minute. So that had been who had to
put on the list, and of that I would have
only gotten Jordan and Dominique. So when I say best
dunkers of all time five, six, seven, eight, remember they
(17:07):
didn't even dunk until like forty years ago, like in
the early black and white days. He had a couple
and that was like crazy. It was all like white
guy plumbers and you know they weren't dunking. But who
comes to you guys's mind, is this one's one I
should have got?
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Uh have you seen the list?
Speaker 7 (17:22):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
The first person that pops in my mind who wanted
me to go yeah, Vince Carter.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's exactly who I saw. Was like, how did I
miss Vince Carter?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
And then because Vince Carter dunked all the time on
everybody big or small, and he.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Had like the greatest dunk contest of all time. Yeah yeah,
in my memory.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
At least more than better than mclung.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean there's no car.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Involved, there was no.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Three pt Mike what'd you find. Yeah, it was just
during a photo shoot. He just jumped up in a
photo show.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
And they were taking a picture and he's like, I'm
gonna do a ballet move and that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Good, fine, good, fine, good fine, Okay. Vince Carter on
the list. Sean Kemp, great call, did make the list.
Hard dunker like that Mother Africa dunks with Sean Eddie.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Uh, Mailman karme alone.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah he could he mean he could dunk.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, I remember I had a poster where he was
dunk in this cier is not.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Not on not on the list. List is bro Bible
on a bunch people that had contributed to it not
saying you're wrong, Hey he could dunk.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Man, he could dunk, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Another one.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I'm thinking kind of underrated in his game because he's
such a great player. But Kobe Bryant could dunk. Hey,
there's down some good ones.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, Kobe did not make the list. Uh, this is
one that I should have thought of and didn't because
it's recent enough to play Griffin.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Oh yeah, a lot of city, yes, him and Chris Paul. Yeah,
it was nasty.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yes, it was all dunked, all time. Yeah, like I
would have missed that one and then I would have
hated myself for it. Okay, anybody else?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
How many do we have?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Left a lot too? And I'll say this, one of
them still plays. Two of them are in our lifetime
of watching basketball, and one is not so go old
old school, old old. We never watched your Jay, correct,
Julia Servin, that's good, Kevin three left one one plays
(19:20):
right now, John Marin. Oh, that's a good one though,
because that dude flies out of everywhere. He's so fast
and he dunks on people all sizes.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Russell Westburg go more more famous, way more famous? Oh, Lebron, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
We're so dumb.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
We're thinking too much.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
The other two, I don't think you're going to get
just by guessing. I'll say one of them a very
famous Phoenix son, not Charles Barkley, a very famous Phoenix son.
We saw and Nick and Nick maristmar yes, Maricenemer he
was awesome. Yeah, he was awesome. And the other one
Jason Richardson, Oh yeah, Jay.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Richards Oh you know Richard did he played for Golden State.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He was bouncing, he bounced around Golden State, was I
wondered who he thought, who you saw him playing with,
because I thought Golden State too.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, that's why I affiliated. But I know he bounced around.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Okay, cool, everybody feel good about that. Yeah, we got
a guest coming up in a second. We like talking
college basketball, and he's been losing a lot of money
in college basketball.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Actually, I made some good money on Florida the other
night that Florida was down. Uh, they were playing Georgia,
which George is a little sneaky team.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Man, Georgia. Yeah, but they kind of sucked, but they Okay,
Sneaky's a good point because they can't win a game.
But they're not gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
There are a handfuls of sneaky teams, which I love.
At this time of the year, I'm like starting to
collect my little notes.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Of like, watch they're not making the tournament though, well Georgia, but.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Just because they're in the SEC. Probably, But you know,
like Texas A and M. Sneaky team, good sneaky team.
I next this A and M.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
They don't play offense. I mean they do, they have to,
but they beat people up defensively where that hurts you
in the tournament though, is if you can't play offense. Yeah,
and the refs are very consistent in the tournament because
they are great at every game to see if they
get to move on to the next game. So there's
no hey, we're going to play it this way tonight,
which kind of happens around the country in different leagues
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and by different refs. They know they're getting great to
go to the next game. So if you're a great
defensive team, that helps. But if you have no offense
at times because of how they're calling the game, you
can really get yourself in trouble. I've watched too much SEC.
I can like break down all the times. I'm sorry interrupt,
I'm ahead, No, it's good.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
But anyway, Florida was playing Georgia and they were down
by twenty points. So I was like, come on, this
cannot in this way. So I got them at plus ten,
plus eight, plus five. It was one of those games
you know where I'm like, I gotta just keep going,
keep going, keep going. And they lost by four points.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So you hit that.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I hit all three of them. I'm like, let's go.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
By ribbon to something on Instagram that I wanted to
bring up and that's how I save a lot of
my stuff. Now is I ribbon it?
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Mike?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
How do I find my ribbons? Instagram has changed.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Should be able to go to your bookmarks and your profile?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Oh was that what? The ribbon is a bookmark? That
makes sense?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, I didn't know what he was talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
The first the three.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Dots on the side on the top right of your profile.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I so the three slashes, now, yeah, the slashes. Okay,
settings and activity. We're gonna do this together, and you
should see the saved boom, got it? Thank you? That's
where it is.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
What are you looking for?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I had saved this thing that DraftKings had done. It
was AI predicts where these free agents will end up.
So number one, T Higgins. This is AI that that predicted.
They typed all this crap in and gave all the scenarios. Uh,
T Higgins to the Carolina Panthers. But that'd be about money, right,
(22:52):
because if the Bengals don't because they have Burrow, they're
paying him a ton. They have three other players and
that's four they're going to do four with basically max contracts,
two wide receivers obviously one edge and they said they
may have to with Higgins do the one year franchise,
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franchise tag him and he doesn't want to be tagged,
So they say the Panthers Digs to the.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Cowboys Stefan with a B.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
That'd be cool, that would together, that would be cool.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
This is a I too, by the way.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They Cooper Cup to the Chargers. That'd be easy. Yeah,
stay done, you got to move stays there, Amari Cooper
to the Ravens. They could use him. Yeah, I feel
like he'd be better though there too, because the Cowboys suck.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
He wasn't with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
He was with when he was though. Yeah, Yeah, that's
the last time I saw him play consistently put Browns.
The Browns didn't counted on the bills he didn't and
the Browns didn't count because they would have a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So like, I feel like the last time I saw
him have a chance with the Cowboys and they didn't.
They sucked. No offense, dude. Keenan Allen to the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Oh gosh, he just gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Debo to the Steelers. Oh Man, Chris god one of
the Jaguars. Devanta Adams to the Lions. Yeah, if I'm
Devanta Adams. I'd like that.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
That awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, yeah, you want to do quarterbacks real quick? This
is not AI, this is US. Where will they end up?
Where will they end up? Let's go fear with the
Matthew Stafford. He wants fifty million bucks. Rams are like,
I don't think we're gonna give it to you, Matthew Stafford.
I'm gonna say Stafford ends up. So I think it's
Giants or Raiders. I think Giants are probably the leader
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right now, with the Raiders being number two out of
the Rams. I'm not going to pay fifty million.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Bucks, and who needs a quarterback? So Giants, Giants, and
the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I think the other teams aren't going to pay fifty
million bucks though. So I think those are the two options.
Two options that will pay him. Trade a decent draft pick,
because it's not we're just gonna take him and pay him.
It's you got to pay him if you get him,
because he wants longer than a one year deal. Yeah,
so it's what pick can you give up? I think
the Raiders have six and the Giants have maybe two
or three. Yeah, so you're gonna probably trade. That's what
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the hope is that first round pick. I can't see
anybody trading that pick. Maybe a second and third rounder,
but I think Stafford's probably a giant.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, I would go to the Giants. That's all I
was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Outside shot a Raider. Kirk Cousins, Tennessee, I'm gonna say,
I want to say Cleveland. Stefanski was his play caller
in Minnesota, and Kirk Cousins can do what we just
saw happen from Denver to Pittsburgh with Russ Wilson, where
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Russ was guaranteed all the money, so he took the
minimum to go to Pittsburgh so it didn't hit their
cap at all. And because the Browns, oh massage man
ninety million bucks or whatever this son, Yeah, they can
take Cousins minimally. He still gets his money if he's
not staying. A backup they're now saying. The Falcons are
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still saying the backup.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
If he stays, they can pay him ninety million in
one year or fifty for two, or they can figure
out how to trade him. And if they figure out
to trade him to Cleveland, that also maybe gets Miles
Garrett to stay, because Miles Garrett's like, I'm out of here.
We're not even trying. And he can go for a
few hundred thousand bucks and still make all the same
money because of what he's owed in Atlanta, and he
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has a relationship with Stefanski. So that's my pick.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's pretty good pick, though, I was gonna say, you're
pretty in depth. I mean, I just said the Titans random.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Guess Aaron Rodgers that's home, like he's going home. I'm
gonna pick the Rams if Stafford leaves. And if Stafford
goes somewhere and they get some decent picks, I think
they probably draft their next quarterback. And Aaron Rodgers is
there for a year maybe two, and that's the system,
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he'd probably do really well. And because everybody does, so
I'm gonna say the Rams. If Stafford isn't there, I
don't know what the Titan's gonna do. I hope the
Titans don't bring Rogers here. So if Stafford doesn't leave,
then where's Rogers go? Prie the Titans? But that's annoying
for us.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, and why would you want to come here just
to play house?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
He's got a house here.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
He's not gonna like you guys, don't worry.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
I got a house.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
We're good to know the yard. Dude, stay there, Stay there,
You're not gonna do anything else. Stay there. We're all good.
Other quarterbacks that can be moving around? Can you think
of any other ones?
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Sam Donald?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Oh yeah, are the Seahawks gonna keep Gino?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
What about the Steelers?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
So Rogers to the Steelers is also a thing though, Yeah,
but I have not heard Donald to the Steelers at all.
So Donald could really end up back in Minnesota. Probably not, though,
because I don't think they're gonna pay him, especially because
we talked to Kevin O'Connell the other not ours, but
the head coach, and just hearing him talk was like, Hey,
we're gonna let him see what his value is to me.
That's we're gonna probably lose him. Yeah, I mean I
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think the.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
For Darnald, we're still right. Yeah, the Raiders would be.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Good if Stafford doesn't go there. I think you have
a couple of pieces of their affecting other pieces. But
I think the Raiders is good. Okay, Uh interview coming
up in a second. Let's get into our conversation with
Grant McCasland, head basketball coach at Texas Tech. You know,
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I oddly like all Texas Tech teams. There's no reason
for me to dislike them, but I think I like
Texas Tech because I'm an Arkansas fan. Now that doesn't
mean all Arkansas fans like Texas Tech specifically, but Texas
Tech is like the school that's kind of got a
grind in that state, meaning you got Ut, you got
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Texas A and m Man, you got a lot of
big Texas schools, and I feel like Texas Tech is
like not so much in the shadow, but like they're
always like I gotta punch at stra hard for people
to pay attention, and that's what I feel like we
have to do at Arkansas. So like I generally have
a positive feeling towards Texas Tech athletics for that reason.
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Love football coach, loved this basketball coach. I mean Grant McCaslin.
He has been a winner before taking over in Lubbock.
He led North Texas to an NIT championship at twenty
twenty three and their first ever NCUBA Tournament win. Massive
deal in North Texas through ten seasons as an NCAA
head coach, mccastlin's now two hundred and thirty four and
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one hundred, and he's won seventy eight and eighty eight
at the Division one level. I mean, just some fun facts.
The twenty twenty Conference USA Coach of the Year, three
straight Conference USA championships, over seven hundred career winning percentage.
I could go on and on. This year, Texas Tech
kind of rocking. Twenty one and seven. Right now, they're
third in the Big twelve. They're playing Kansas on Saturday.
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Then they finished with Colorado and at Arizona State. Lenardi
has at a two, like a bottom two or an
early three right now in the bracket. But I love
this dude. I liked them until we talked with them,
and then I'm like, I'm in I'm in here. He
is my new friend. Coach Grant mccaslan. Hey, coach, that's
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a pretty sick hoodie you have on. By the way,
that's a good one.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
You want one, Yeah, I'll send you one.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Oh, he's a shameless coach.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
No, No, that Melbourne.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
When you got a little best you got a little.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Got a little Malbourne card again. You play golf too?
What's going on? Coach man?
Speaker 7 (30:32):
I'll hit I'll hit a ball in the woods.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, So okay, that's funny. What do you get to
do during basketball season? I'm sure it's all basketball all
the time. Do you have time to read books? Like?
What in the world can you do during basketball season?
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Man, good question. I do a lot of things with
my family.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
I got I got four kids, so I got two
boys to play hoops, soda rock climbs, and we we
have a simulator at the Alice. We built a basketball
bar and it's got two big a ball courts, a
climbing all, and a little golf sem area. So we
turned it loose at night every once in a while
in between some film sessions.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Are you a little family?
Speaker 8 (31:08):
Got a little My wife played soccer here at Tech,
so we'll play a little pick a ball.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
That's what I was gonna ask. If you're you're a
pickle ball player.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
We have a court.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We just built a court here at the house. And
this guy from Ohio I posted a video coach on Twitter.
It was just me hitting the ball. I got metaglasses,
so like I was just literally recording game tape, like right,
I like to watch see how I'm improving. And so
some guy like trolled me on Twitter and was like
you suck and I was like, I'll play you for
a thousand bucks. Never didn't even know who he was,
and he was like, I'm in So now I got
a flight Ohio and play some dude I never met.
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He was a four year D one athlete for a
thousand dollars in pickleball. So but I got like a
weird competitive like insecurity, like growing up? How competitive were you?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
I'm a mess as a competitor. You know that you
do these personality tests and I don't even know which
one it was.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
But you have to rank like your four.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
It comes back after you get done to answering all
these questions.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It gives you, like.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
Your four main characteristics.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
And my number one was competitive and number two is
like belief and I'm telling you it's awesome and everything.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But marriage, Oh, you're so right. And I've only been
married losing marriage, yes, like three years, so I'm pretty
new to being married. But you are speaking the gospel
like it's like the young Gospel to me right now,
where I'm just learning that that's true, that it's not
always about winning. At times you can lose but still
strategically win, which is probably not the best thing. But
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you're talking my language now.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
No. The the true is the only way to really
win in marriage is to lose.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
That's it, there is like, that is the end. No,
don't even try to even say you can win some
and still win.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
No, it's zero.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's you lose, then you win. I'm curious basketball wise, coach,
because you're a defensive genius. I feel just looking at
as you've risen through the ranks of look at how
good your defensive squads are. Is there the option to
be great at both? Like, because again, you're a defensive guy.
Your team is built and I could be wrong, but
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I feel like you are Let's play defense hard and
then the offense will happen. But is it possible to
specialize in both at the same time?
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Yeah, definitely. You know.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
The truth is as a young coach, when I was
twenty six years old and got the opportunity to be
a junior college head coach, we were in a conference
with Mark Adams, who was the previous head coach at
Texas Tech, who's a dear friend of mine, and in
the rankings of all the past twenty five years of
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defenses that Texas Tech team in twenty nineteen here is
statistically the best defensive team ever in the last twenty
five years of college basketball. So, but he was actually
the head coach at Howard College when I was twenty six,
and the head coach at Midland College, so I coached
against it.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
One game we had fourteen points at the half.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Playing against his defense.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
So honestly, my mind thinks, but I've I learned from
him that you better be great defensively if you want
to win. So we want a junior college national championship.
The first time, we scored over ninety points and averaged
over eighty points.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
So honestly, my mind thinks offense.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
But I'm such a competitor and I want to win
that I've focused on the defensive part of it because
I think that's something that's more controllable in the environment
of winning a game.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Coach, how how upset do you get when your players
miss free throws? Because I know as a viewer I
hate it.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Yeah, well, I don't get upset at all. Actually I
don't care.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Yeah, right, Let's where that's where fans are different than coaches,
because you don't really care. That's an effort thing that
you want to have a guy miss try to let
him squeeze that basketball really tight, and worried about what
you think too. I mean, it's just I think there's
a I think there's a balance to it. But it
is funny because last year at Texas Tech, we had
the best free throw percentage in the history of the school. Okay,
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And I didn't talk to our guys about free throws
one time.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
You know what I did.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
I recruited really good shooters so they could make it
when it mattered. And honestly, there is a repetition and
I do think there's some skill obviously involved in it.
But when you get to college, man, if you mess
with somebody shots, that's a personal thing for them and
it's a difficult thing to change. And you know, it
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is funny because I do think it's more about confidence
and repetition and feeling like you can step up there.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
But man, do people get mad at free throws?
Speaker 8 (35:25):
I mean, they're free why don't you make them? You know,
I'm like, well, because there's fifteen thousand people in here
yelling and everybody's watching them.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
It's not the same. Now.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I was watching Arkansas on Texas last night. I hate
Texas with all my heart, Like I wish Texas would
fall in a whole coach and I'm an Arkansas guy.
But we were missing. We were missing free throws like
we always miss free throws. But I never thought that
you should just recruit good free throw shooters more so
than spend twenty minutes into practice shooting free throws.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
Well you know this, Like there are some repetition things
that I do think make it more repeatable, which are
when you get under pressure, make it simpler for a
person to control the variables. I mean, the less movement
the better in regards to efficiency. But I do think
it's way more like mental than it is physical in
a lot of ways. And the repetition of guys that
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have always seen them go in all their lives, there
is something to that that gives them a different level
of confidence when they step up to the free throw line.
And now I've coached guys where it's gone the other
way too, where they went from being like seventy to
like really bad. And what they did is they tried
to go in and obsess over some detail to fix
and their free throw shot and lost the connection to
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the confidence and flow of like being in the moment
and being confident. It's a wild battle, and when it
goes downhill, I mean, it's like a lot of things
in golf for other things that are repetitive in nature,
and can it can get worse. But that's where I
don't even We put guys in routines and we allow
them the space to make improvements specifically, but man, I
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don't mess with that.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
How much do you put into like Lonardi putting you
guys in certain places right now? Two seed? I think
I just saw, oh nothing.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
I mean, I don't mean that in disrespect to the
people that make those decisions, but you and I both know.
I mean, we've got three conference games and then plus
the conference tournament, and man, so many things change and
the uncontrollables.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
I'm out of that game.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
When I was a junior college coach at twenty seven,
our second season, we had a path to maybe win
the tournament.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
So I went through and like said, like, if we.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Win this game, then we can be a two seed
in the tournament if we win these three games. And
what happens if we win these four And I spent
all this time doing all this math, and then you
get to the end of the season, Like, I realized
every second that I spent trying to figure out where
they had us was two or three seconds that I
could have invested in a relationship with someone that actually
would have made an impact on winning. And so man,
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I just flipped this whole thing in my brain of like,
anytime there's a where do someone or what do I
think could happen? I just like, well, let's invent and
what actually does happen, which is people and relationships and
their impact on what we're doing as a team. And
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it's changed my perspective and of all of the thought
process in regard to where they put people in the
NCAA tournament and projections.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
With this part of the year, where's the balance in
keeping players healthy and fresh and also keeping them in rhythm?
Speaker 8 (38:26):
Yeah, you know, I and my experience, what we do
right now is we push the throttle down at the
beginning of practice and we'll start with a super competitive
segment of like pressing, because you get to the end
of games and that's what really matters. And we try
to like rev it all the way up and get
a transition drill going and then make it real competitive
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at the beginning of practice and then we taper it
off and then at the end is like mentally, how
do you execute? But nothing competitive because what we found
is guys get hurt, you know, kind of more when
they get fatigued at the end of than they do
at the beginning.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
So I still think you got a practice.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
And if you asked me one thing that I talked
to all my buddies coaching, like Scott Drew and you know,
Tommy Lloyd at Arizona and Ben McCollum at Drake and
Ross Hodge at North Texas and Scott you know, just
we all talk about like how do you make it
competitive but you don't want to get anybody hurt.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
But I do think there's a.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
Way to rev it all the way up where you
still get that competitiveness and you can still put the
throttle all the way down and get what you need
but not not put anybody in harms away.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Are there any heat check rules where if somebody's on coaching,
there two, three, four in a row where it's like
understood taking another one, Like, are there any heat check
rules at all?
Speaker 7 (39:41):
Oh? I mean, if you say rules, there's like heat
check for me.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
I just love it when guys feel like Chance McMillan
made one the other day at home where he shot
it and turned around and went the other way, and honestly, like,
would I prefer him to not do that on all shots? Yes,
but when you are playing with a different level of confidence,
that means we're playing at our best. And so, man,
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we love shooting threes. We shot thirty the other day
and didn't make many of them. But I do think
that there's a confidence level that your players have to
play with on that side where once you get rolling, let's.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
Let it rip.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Coach, what's your relationship with referees? Like, sometimes it's very
you know, will you explain that call to me? And
then sometimes it's like what are you thinking? Do you
know all these guys right? So what's your relationship with them?
Speaker 8 (40:36):
Man, I'll tell you what I pray often, but I
pray mostly about my relationships with refs and my wife.
I mean, I don't know how to explain it, but
it's this wild part of the game that you know
that the outcome isn't supposed to matter to them, but
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they impact the outcome so significantly by the flow and
feel of it. And I'm confrontational in nature, so I
don't mind the confrontation of communicating with him, but I
don't think it's helpful. I got to be honest, I
end up airing on the side, and you get to
the end that I wish I would have said less.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
And so in my.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
Areas of improvement, that usually ends up being one of
the more significant ones is how do you communicate in
a way that's respectful but doesn't imply that they're not
doing a great job honestly, And so I found more
of that to be helpful.
Speaker 7 (41:36):
But I can't always do that in the moment.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
What if, like your counterpart is going to town on
a ref, do you feel like you got to step
it up and meet him with that energy? Though so
he doesn't like rule the refs.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
You know, there's two parts that because you know you
can look at those refs and go like, if this
guy says one more thing, it's going to get significantly
worse for him, and you know the difference between that,
and then when you look at the guy and he
seems fras by what's being said by the other coach,
and then you know like, well you better, you better
get a little part of this so that he doesn't
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just get in a place where he's making calls that
don't necessarily help. So I do think there's some nuance
maybe to that, but for the most part, the interactions
in regards to that. You know, the difference between somebody
that complains a lot in our league and these referees
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talk and they do know going into each game, like
there's something different about someone that shows constant respect and
asks questions and does want to understand that refs make
mistakes too. And I do think that there's a part
of that that there's a sincerity there that most of
the guys that I work with, they're they're they're awesome,
And I do think that there. It's a difficult job
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and and most when I look back on film, some
of the calls that I complain about, now we have
them on the bench.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
We used to not have this.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
Literally, we have access to every call every second when
we watch it. We can we can pull it up
in time out and queue everything, and I can watch it,
and I watch most plays at halftime of the game,
so I have.
Speaker 7 (43:13):
A better perspective.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
But I used to look back on it and go, man,
I thought for sure that was a foul, and it
wasn't one. So I think given the benefit of the
doubt over the course of the game and trying to
be somebody that's man just in a real way, trying
to understand what the game is really being called like
and trying to do your best to adapt is the
best way to do it.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Is there peaking too early? And where do you guys
feel like you are in the peaking scale?
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Yes, there is in regards to I think a fatigue
of your team when you kind of know all your
weaknesses and those have been magnified, and I think that's
when your team takes that dive. And I think as
a coach, our hope is to find this real gratitude
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and belief in each other where you can concentrate. I'll
give you an example, like you can watch film with
the team and you can show them all fifteen turnovers
of what happened, and you can magnify those things. And
I think at the end of the season, how you
really peek as you start showing only the plays that
you know that one that can be catastrophic in nature
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and that your team is repeating. You show those, but
really you try to show all the things that you
want your team to do and those guys that honestly
get encouraged that way.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
It shows them more as highlighted and.
Speaker 8 (44:32):
People want to do what you want them to do
more than you telling them what not to do.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
And I think the season's long for everybody.
Speaker 8 (44:38):
So when you get to the end of the year,
those people have been told like, don't do that, don't
do that, You're.
Speaker 7 (44:42):
Messing this up.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
You can see, you can see the decline and it
wears on everybody because it is a long season. You're
around each other all the time, and there are all
these pressure moments and all you want to do is
tell them what you don't like about them, because that's
the easiest thing to identify. But to me, the way
you get your team to pee at the end as
you really get them to believe what your best at
as a team, and then they take away, man, this
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is what I can do, even if it's a role,
and people don't like saying that word, but if it's
a role that they can be great at, then they
know this is where they're at their best to make
the team the best. And I will tell you that
our team's starting to really believe what we can do
the best Really the key is just how healthy can
you be? And that's probably the greatest determining factor of
whether you go into these tournaments, you know, peaking is
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whether you're healthy. So that's one aspect, But I think
the other aspect is like the real belief in each
other and what you do well and everybody basically like
pouring into what those things that make your team great.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Coach, I was watching your game against Houston and I
noticed that Patrick Mahomes and his wife were there. What
is that cool for your team to see Patrick and
his wife like sitting right next to you, guys, and
even coaching a little bit too, him yelling and standing
up and getting into the game.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Oh, it was.
Speaker 7 (45:57):
Epic. It was awesome.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
And I got a phone call from Dusty Womble, who's
a regent, and I'm telling you, he's like one of
the greatest guys I know, not just people that support
Red Raider basketball and football, but his name's on our
practice facility. He's just one of the greatest husbands and
dads that I know. He's awesome. So he calls me
and he's got the seats, those Hollywood seats, and he's
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got the seats across from the bench too, four on
the floor and he's like, where do you think we
should sit my homes And I was like, wherever he
wants to sit.
Speaker 7 (46:28):
If you want to sit by the bench, it's great.
Speaker 8 (46:30):
So he comes and sits by the bench, and honestly,
I don't interact with him a ton, but he's an
unbelievable supporter of our university, in our athletic department, and
we got.
Speaker 7 (46:39):
All these players that he's supporting. It's really unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (46:42):
Well, I meet him face to face in the locker
room before we go out, and he was really complimentary.
Then we go sit on the floor and I introduced
myself to Brittany for the first time and I'm like,
you guys, let it rip over here, have a good time.
She said, so, you mean I can say anything to
the refs And Patrick's.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
Like, don't tell her that because you may get it.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
I was like, as long as you sit in these chairs,
you can, but if you move over and get in
my four chairs, then you probably shouldn't say anything to them.
But no, they were honestly, their energy and their belief
and what we're doing is just a separator for us
and it was a blast.
Speaker 7 (47:14):
They were awesome.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I had two final questions for you, coach, tournament expansion,
your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
Honestly, that's kind of goes in the category of what
we talked about earlier, of like, you know what seed
are we I just don't have any control over it,
and I like the tournament the way it is. I mean,
you know, sixty four to sixty eight. I know there's
a lot of reasons for it to be different. I'm
not smart enough to figure it out. I'm barely smart
enough to call time out at the right time and
not run into Patrick Mahomes and a timeout, you know.
Speaker 7 (47:43):
I mean, it's something probably out of my pay grade.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Okay, I'm not going to count that as a question then,
since you didn't have really an answer and you acted
like you're done when you're obviously brilliant. But okay, I
hear you. I hear you, coach. Okay, here, let me
switch it up.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Then.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Is there a movie or like a scene from a
movie that you show your players every year?
Speaker 7 (48:01):
Ooh, yes, there is.
Speaker 8 (48:03):
There is Shawshank Redemption which part Climbs of the Poop. Yes, yeah, really, yes,
that's the season. That's the season. So it's like you
find a way to break through and you finally get
an opportunity and then you got to go sluedge through
all this and I and I actually reference it during
games quite often because let's just say, you've missed eight
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shots in a row, and you know, you feel this
like desperation, like you never know where the end of
the tunnel really is and you don't really know exactly
what you're gonna have to go through till you get
through it. And so it's just this mental imagery of
the freedom that you have that you don't know when
it's going to break through for you, but it's worth
it when you finally get there, and and uh yeah,
it's uh that's the that's.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
The one final question for you. It's a family question.
High profile job. Your wife went to school there. I
have other friends that are head coaches, football, basketball, different universities,
and there's a dynamic. When things are going great, you're
the hero. When things eventually don't go great for a
short amount of time or a long amount of time,
you're not the hero, but you're very public and your
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family has to take the good and the bad. Is
that a conversation you've had with your family at all, going, Hey,
it's not always going to be awesome, but it's not
real when it's not, Oh.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
No question.
Speaker 8 (49:17):
I mean this is honestly, man, my faith, my relationship
with the Lord is the only thing that really is important.
And I think in that my relationship with my wife
is What's that? That's everything. I mean, CC's she was
an unbelievable competitor. She's beautiful, she's freaking so cool.
Speaker 7 (49:38):
She's a blast.
Speaker 8 (49:39):
But when we were losing at North Texas one year
we lost seven of our last eight games, she like
wouldn't talk to me after games. She's so mad at me,
but not mad at me, but just mad at like
why is this happening? And why can't we fix it?
But as a competitor, when you're the wife, you can't
really go.
Speaker 7 (49:55):
Coach a game.
Speaker 8 (49:57):
And like, and then I've got two sons that play
go four kids, my daughter, they all play point guard,
they all play basketball, They rock climb, they're like super
competitive and they just love this. But I think the
thing that you and I both know is like, if
there's anything I want them to know is that I
love them no matter what, Like there's a real grace
to this, and there's a real humility in knowing that
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when everybody is shaming you that or whatever the case
may be making fun of you or there's some difficulty
in that, like that there's a love there that is
consistent no matter what you perform. And honestly, like I
hope my wife and I's marriage in the way that
we interact with each other, teaches them that, like, how
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do we love each other in a way that isn't
connected to how good you are at something? And I
do think that that's the foundation of being great. And
so when you say that, I just think it's how
you live your life every day where you love your
kids and you help them in ways that aren't tied
to their performance.
Speaker 7 (51:02):
And I think that's the key to all this.
Speaker 8 (51:04):
And I think that's the key to our team, and
I think that's the key to life, and that.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
How do you love people?
Speaker 8 (51:09):
So after we play these awesome games, and we play
really good, I tell our guys to pull out their
phones and scroll and see five hundred text messages. And
then when we lose a game that we're not supposed
to lose, go pull out your text message and there's
two text messages most of the time, and one of
them's from their mom. You know, It's like, these are
the people that, honestly, unfortunately in this deal, are going
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to be connected to you no matter what, and those
are the people that you need to call and think
first when we win and do great things. And that's
kind of how we try to mirror this all as
how being a part of a team relates to your family,
which relates to your question in regard to how you
handle all this.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I mean, I'd climb a poopy tunnel for you. Coach,
you got me. I'm ready to climb to a tunnel
of poop whatever you need me to do. Yes, sir,
I'm rooting for you. Guys. I don't say I rarely
say any other team stuff, but you know, Big twelve,
let's go, that's what I say. Wrackham, Yeah, yeah, beat
the crap out of Kansas, win the tournament. Let's get
a good seat. Hope you're near me. I'll come watch,
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but not far. I'm not gonna travel far, but if
you're near me regionally, I'll come watch. Coach. Thank you
so much, good luck the rest of the season, and
we really appreciate the time.
Speaker 7 (52:18):
This is awesome. I hope you win the thousand dollars
in the picture.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, me too, Yes, sir, thank you coach. Right, see, y'all,
thank you guys for listening. We're back next week. It
looks like at some point next week, I think we're
gonna get Dama stodom Ireon, who's the head coach at
Georgia Tech. But also like crazy good NBA career, so
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that'd be fun. Also more analysis from Eddie Betting college basketball.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
Yeah, a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
When he's like, listen to the story, man, and then
they only lost by four and I won.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Man, I'm close to getting one of those twelve game parlays.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
What's close?
Speaker 4 (52:55):
Eight? No, I've gotten like eleven before. Yeah, I've gotten
really close. But but what's crazy, that's when you look
at it later. It's usually the first game I lose.
The first game, I'm like, oh, that's stupid. But then
you look back and I hit every game after that,
that sucks.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
And because you never pay attention to go back and
look once you've already lost, you don't even know.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
It's usually like a Sunday night, when I'm not doing anything,
I'm like, let's see how my Weekway and gambling. I
almost hit that it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
That's funny. Uh So there's another thing too, if you
want to really feel dumb, you can go over to
our episode of Lots to say. It's Matt Castle and
myself and it's on me because I had Matt try
to teach us quarterback terminology and he thought he was
really dumbing it down for us. And I'm telling you,
(53:40):
about halfway through, I looked at Kevin, and Reid doesn't
know much about sports, so it's fine. But I looked
at Kevin. Kevin looked at me and we're like, dude,
you get We got to walk back about three steps
and he's like, oh really, He's like, but z flair,
Oh god, And he thought he was breaking it because
I wanted to know, like teach us from the beginning
so we can have this one thing to know if
we're like talking with friends and we're like, yeah, but
zero slot z flare Yeah, And he was like, ah,
(54:02):
maybe this is why I don't coach, but I don't
know how to yeah, simplify it, yes, And he'd be like,
what you wanna do is we're gonna make sure your
boss gets and the weak side boss was one of
the terms. Yeah, because the boss was basically the full back.
It was the back on the strong safety. Holy crap,
there you go. So if they're running a boss, it's
the back to get to the strong safety. But it's
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inside of like seventy two other words. I do feel
good though about what we learned about personnel. When they
say thirteen personnel.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Yeah, because they talk about that a lot on the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Too, and so you can listen to that. But thirteen
personnel's one runner back, three tight ends or but he
goes into all that. But there was one point we
gave up and we're like, dude, we can't do this anymore.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Do this with your quarterback friends.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yes, well it was my fault because I suggested. I
was like, make us Marner. But go listen to that.
Lots to say thank you for listening to twenty five
whistles and we will see you guys next week. Bye, buddy, I.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Want it, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
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on twenty five whistles
A podcast call twenty five whist stuck and they go
wearing a whist So, yeah, it's too bad, but what
did you expect? It's a podcast call twenty five whistles.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Blow the whistle? Do we ever keep track of how
many episodes we're in? Mike? Do we do that anymore?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
One million, eighty two this season?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Thank good for us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Where's the money was rolling in? Like we've done a bunch, No.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Eighty two that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Hey guys, yeah, everybody out there listening. If you listen
to this, would you please subscribe on our own channel
and then uh, if you don't mind, give us a
review and then anything like that would be great.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Then tell your friends right, like, oh I listen to
this podcast, you should too?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Host it man?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah yeah please yeah, drop it into the group text.
Yeah please guys, like, wait, I'll be honest, we need
to help. So yeah, thank you all for listening. I
do have an update if you're ready for an update,
I'm ready for an update on pick a ball situation.
Oh for those that are new, I post a video
on me just hitting a pickle ball and some troll
jumps up and goes you suck. I can tell you
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suck because you didn't come up to the net, and
I'm like, bro. Then playing a tournament, it was like
the first day back after winter, and so I'm like,
let's go, let's play the game. Me and you thousand bucks.
All did was challenge the troll and apparently he's a
four year D one athlete and.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Whatever, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Whatever, I'm willing to go against a four year D
one athlete.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Just to try to fight a troll boom.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Because I don't like people to jump in with negativity
for no reason. And I understand I'd probably the underdog
in this situation, but I don't care. And he's like,
here's my home court. But here's the thing. I said.
We'll play for money, but I don't want to get scammed.
I've been scammed more than once with money doing content
where I'm like, here's five hundred bucks and then it's
the wrong doesn't matter. How do I get the money
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to somewhere and he gets the money to somewhere, Like
who's the somewhere?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, that's interesting because I do.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Not want to get scammed. And I'm also just not
gonna believe somebody because if we go up there we
go up there, or the underdogs all good, we take
the whole crew, we shoot it. I stand. I've never
said this. I stun a business. I know, I've never
actually said that. I don't know how I felt, but
I tried it. I don't want to go in and
be like, I'm not giving you the money.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So if you do like a Venmo account, right, it
doesn't matter whose it is. You have a Venmo account.
It shows that the money is in there, right it does.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But who gets to know the person that has the
Venmo account? Because if I were him, I wouldn't trust.
If I'm like, just send me the thousand bucks and
I'll hold it or one of my boys will hold it.
I don't know that I would trust that. And if
he did the same thing, like send it here or
send it to something I have access to, that's me
getting scammed.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
And then can we trust going all the way to Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's somewhere in Ohio? I think it's So.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
We go all the way to Ohio and he doesn't
show up. Like, that's not good either, right, So we
need to have the money, but for anyone travels anywhere, correct.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So here's the challenge, because I want to do this,
and to me, it doesn't matter. It's not about winning
or losing. I want to win for sure, and I
want to win the money. But it's mostly like if
people are gonnatrol, they should be called out for it. Yeah,
I want to do it. I just need to do
it in a way that it's safe to put my
money somewhere. So think about this. This is going to
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be the challenge or if you're listening and you know
how we could do this because he's like, let's go,
but I haven't responded yet because I don't know how
to do this without getting possibly scammed.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You couldn't do like the half and half? Right, five
hundred isn't it enough?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Where does it go?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, that's another I'm just yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't We both would have to do that. But
it's the same point. It's like, well, who's holding it,
and whoever's holding it if they're connected to one of
the two sides. I know we're trustworthy, but he doesn't
know that. And I don't even know who he is.
I don't even know his name.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
You know what he looks like.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I have no idea what he looks like. I probably
don't want to know I probably intimidated as a four
year D one athlete, but I'm not scared to go
and play. I just don't want to get scammed. So
think about that, and if any listeners out there you
want to send me a DM at mister Bobby Bones
and let me know what we could do, that's awesome too.
But I also have to think about him going, I'm
not putting my money somewhere I don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, so I mean you could go old school and
both get a money order and like send a picture
of the money order to the other person to prove
that it's that it's set.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But I think if I were trying, okay, then I
don't even know what a money order is. Then I
try to scam it myself. Then I go, okay, I
took a picture, and then I would just go and
take it back, right because if I'm putting it in
his name, but he may never get it. If I win,
he's not getting it.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's true. I wish my dad was still alive.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Man.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
He used to deal with people from Mexico that was
always like this was always the conversation, like how do
I get money?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, we would do money orders.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
That's what we would do.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So that's where we are think about it. That's number
one here on the list. Number two. I do want
to talk about the toush push for a second. Oh
come on, do you think they should eliminate the tush
push before we get into what the teams? And again,
we're recording this on Thursdays, so when it comes out
on Friday there, I don't think they have voted by then.
M No.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I think there's just a lot of talk during the
combine stover look.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
At the media, and I think is like in a
couple of weeks, okay, great, first the tush push.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Should it be banned Eddie?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
No way, Jose. You do not punish a team or
a coach for coming up with this amazing play that
is pretty much unstoppable. I think it's awesome and there's
no excuse like it's a safety issue. It wasn't a
safety issue, Like, come on, football is a safety issue.
The tush push is awesome, it's genius, and it should
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remain the way it is.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Thanks soccrates. Football is a safety issue. You got it
going athens like preaching.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Out of here. You hate it because you can't stop it.
Now it is frustrating. I get it. We've been on
the other side of the toush push. It's frustrating. But
as I don't know, man, they just somebody came up
with a great idea and it works.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Kevin, I say, no, let's not get wishy washing.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Go ahead, but maybe we could tweak it. Okay, So
what about tweaking it? Like they've lined everybody up on
the line, they have two guys behind them to push them.
You're only allowed one guy behind them, and then another
guy's got to go out as wide receiver. Okay, So
you got to tweak the alignment okay, and the formation
a little bit to maybe give a little less advantage.
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So it makes every other team happy and still makes
Eagles like Okay, we could still do it with a
little tweak.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Here can ask a question about that. Yeah, do we
really think that two people pushing effects it more than
one person?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, but it's still making this GM happy and the
other around the league happy and making everybody happy.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yours is more of a diplomatic give than something that
would actually change the toush push.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm with you, Yeah, and I agree with both of you,
and that the Eagles kind of discovered it. Sure did
their thing, and everybody else is just mad because they
can't do the thing. And people have tried. Buffalo, I
think was number two. They did it far less, but
Buffalo was number two. But then playoff Buffalo couldn'tven get
it to work five times. I think it's didn't even
get at the work. So I'll give you my answer.
I'll read you the story first from ESPN. The mystery
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team proposing a ban of the Eagles Push Push is
the Packers, which, by the way, they don't even play them,
I mean once maybe. I mean imagine if you're also
over in the NFC East, you have to play him twice.
But the NFL's EVP of Football Operations, Troy Vincent, initially
chose not to identify the team, but Packers GM Brian
Guda Kuntz later owned it. At the NFL Combine, he
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admitted the Packers quote hadn't been very successful against it,
and he expects quote a lot of discussions about it.
One of those discussions might be that teams should figure
out how to defend it instead of outright banning it,
a move that Eagles coach Nick Sirianne says would be
unfair to his team from again ESPN, I'm gonna say
ban it. Ooh, and not for the reasons that you
guys say, because I agree with both of you, Like
the Eagles came up with something nobody can stop it.
(07:58):
You got it, buddy. It's terribly boring for television, and
I'm always a this is a television show because that's
where the money is product first, So if you were
just playing it wasn't on TV.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Great.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I don't think the Eagles cheated. I think it's a
great idea, but it's boring to watch because there really
is no drama on a fourth and one when the
Eagles have the ball. So I think it was wildly smart.
But if I'm only speaking selfishly and as a network
executive or as the NFL that cares about television, I
probably am not allowing it unless there are certain things
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like you can only tush push inside the five, like
I think there are modifications that you can make the
tush push inside the five, or you get two tush
pushes a game like challenges like in my Madden League
that we play in because the quarterback sneak it's kind
of a glitch where you can get it to work
almost every time for two yards. It's not even the tushpush.
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You just quarterback sneak. You know you're gonna get two yards.
We can only quarterbacks sneak twice a game in a
user game we're playing another player. If we're playing the computer,
we do it all day. But we can only quarterbacks
sneak twice a game because it's a bit of a glitch.
But I would say the Eagles toushbush is a bit
of a glitch. They figured it out. So for television
reasons only, I don't like the toush push being able
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to be done on the thirty eight yard line and
six times in a game. So I'm gonna say no
toush push. Oh but we want to touch push. We're
being okay, let's compromise. You get to a game, that's it,
or tushbush all you want inside the five.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Dang, that's such a better compromise of money.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But if I'm not compromising, I'm just going no tush
push for television reasons because admit it's boring.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Oh yeah, it's boring. But you know what's not boring
is when a team hires a physics professor to figure
out the physics of how to stop something like this,
and they actually stop it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
That's boring. If somebody's hiring a physics the football, that's boring, dude.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But if they stop it, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But they can't, nobody can.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Persistently, somebody is going to figure out how to stop it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I don't think it's a physics thing. I don't think so, no,
because I think it's a quarterback that has very strong
legs and a center that has a very strong butt,
and players that have now run it and know how
to do it and not be injured. I don't think
it's a physics thing.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Then maybe, like you get all of your linemen on
your team, backups and everything, and forget the secondary whenever
they show toush push, Your biggest men on the field.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Can't do that unless you're substitute. Like they can't substitute
on defense unless the offense substitutes.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Really didn't know that I changed that, then.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah's that rule. I think it's hilarious. I love the
toush push if it's my team, So I don't thinkre's
anything wrong with it. But I I'm bored by it.
And so the NFL does not want people to be
bored by anything, which is why they protect their quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Sure, it is a matter of time. You would think
that what they ban it?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And it well, and remember two years ago, you couldn't
use your hands or your body to influence anybody going forward. Yeah,
you could push them, grab them, you couldn't pull. That
was a rule. It's not as much anymore because the
toush push is just that everybody leaning in and maybe
you just do tush push, but there's nobody pushing the tush.
It's just a quarterback sneak. But then it's just a
quarterback sneak. Yeah, so there's only no tush in the push.
(11:19):
But I'm gonna go ban it because I'm bored by it.
Next up Gronk maybe coming back to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
No stop it. He can't. He looks like.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
He sees Travis Kelsey's like I can do.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
He looks like broken down RoboCop, like his last season
with the Bucks, like he just it looked like if
he got hit hard, he was not gonna get back up.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
He always looked like that though when he was younger.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He's only thirty five. Well, yeah, that's great, and that's
on the older end, but it's not like he's forty
three and he is a monster. A new report suggests
that future Hall of Fame tied end Rob Gronkowski may
not yet be done. The four time Super Bowl champion
is working out in Vail, Colorado, and his contempl retiring
from retirement. These same sources say that Gronk has liked
(12:06):
what he's seen from Broncos quarterback Bo Nicks, and also
the Bengals are one of the teams they think he
could go to. Interesting, He's not gonna go to the Patriots.
He's not gonna go to the Bucks. He went to
the Bucks for Brady's not going to the Patriots cause
they suck. If you're Gronk and you're gonna go play,
you're gonna go play at somebody who gives you a
chance to win a champion championship. So that would be fun.
(12:27):
I think that would be extremely hard for him to do,
being out of the league for so long. Yeah, when
you're known for being such a physical player, it's probably
hard to jump back in and be as physical. Because
it wasn't like he was known for his precision.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No did his body. I mean it took a toll
towards the end was like one hit will be like, Okay,
I'm good on this.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Actually I don't know, dude, he's huge.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
He is a monster.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You met him? No, did we see him at the
super Bowl? He was there at Radio Row, but I
don't know any of us ever saw him. I never
saw him, because I did see videos later that he
was there.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Okay, so you're saying you didn't seehim a person, you
just knew he was in the same place three points
because I was saying, is he mass. I have a
really good friend that's really good friends with them, and
a couple of times he's been like are you here,
I'm here with Gronk and like I want to talk
to gronk sister. Once for a birthday random.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I sent her a video Yeah, like cameo or my.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Friend that's friends with Gronk was like, hey, Gronk's sister
is here. He doesn't call him, Gronk tells him Rob Basically,
he's like, gronk sister is here. She's a big fan
of her birthday we're doing. Would you sent her a
video saying happy birthday? So I just sent him a
video of me going hey, Gronk sister wasn't her name,
but yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I know it's not the same. But we saw Jimmy Graham.
Oh he was at the stage right next to us
at one point. He was tall and just like.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Yeah, when when you when those guys look big on
the field, you know they're just ginormous.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, yes, because they're up against other big people. Like
when I met Eli Manning years ago. Eli Manning doesn't
look big on the field. Eli Manning as a monster,
And that's just being even with those people. When someone
it's a great point when someone looks big, even on
the field, they're huge. I was blown away by the
Rams offensive lineman he came on the show. Yeah, Andrew Whitworth,
(14:14):
blown away with how massive he was. He's basketball player height,
professional basketball player height. And then offensive lineman waight, Yeah,
I don't know how you get around that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And Cam Hayward he was a monster. Yeah, I knew
was scary looking.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Do you remember him.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I do remember him, because I don't know he was
at first, but I would say he was scary looking
in that he was big, and oh my god, she
was huge, angry. Yeah, but he I don't think he
was like Wentworth's size, because I don't think he was
as tall.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
No, no, he's not as tall as Whitworth. Whitworth was
like you can see him in a sea of people
and his head is above everyone else.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He okay, get this, he's three hundred and thirty one pounds.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, and then six seven to he's got to be
at least yeah, he's got he's six seven six seven
three point thirty. That's like Gladiator. That's like back in
the day, he'd been in the middle of the coliseum,
like fighting people because he's so big. Huh yeah wild.
They ranked the best dunkers in NBA history. Now I've
(15:18):
seen the list, so unfair, but I think I can do.
Had I not seen the list, I can give you
a rough overview who I said. I have been wrong
on some of them because I would have only been
going from slam dunk contests from being a kid, so
I would have picked people like Spud Weeb. He won
it in like eighty four, I think, and he was
five foot six and he wasn't the best dunker, but
(15:38):
the fact that someone that small could dunk, which I
thought was crazy, Like I would have thought of Spud
web just some of the dunk contest winners I think about,
like d Brown, he did the look into the arm Celtics.
Oh yeah, that was like in a big Sports illustrated
fold out like that was cool. But he wasn't like
a crazy good NBA player that was dunking all the
time in games. I would have picked Dominique Wilkins because
how angry he was when he dunked in games. And
(16:00):
it slam dunk contest obviously. I had to pick Michael
Jordan just because he has very famous dunks and he
dunked a lot, but he has some really famous and
his logo is a dunk.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yes, it is the Jumpman's a dunk.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, right, that picture didn't come from him dunking.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, but Hugh did it at some point I remember,
like maybe he recreated or something, maybe during a slam
dunk contest, but he did do the but the picture
was first Yeah, I bet you're right about that.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And the picture was not him dunking. It was just
like him jumping. Yeah, something weird, like it wasn't even
yet Mike, would you mind looking that up?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Or or could it be a celebration, like you know
how you jump up and fist pumping.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I feel like it was something contrived and set up,
but it wasn't a dunk Michael find it. Oh we'll
mention a minute. So that had been who had to
put on the list, and of that I would have
only gotten Jordan and Dominique. So when I say best
dunkers of all time five, six, seven, eight, remember they
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didn't even dunk until like forty years ago, like in
the early black and white days. He had a couple
and that was like crazy. It was all like white
guy plumbers and you know they weren't dunking. But who
comes to you guys's mind, is this one's one I
should have got?
Speaker 7 (17:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Uh have you seen the list?
Speaker 7 (17:22):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
The first person that pops in my mind who wanted
me to go yeah, Vince Carter.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's exactly who I saw. Was like, how did I
miss Vince Carter?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
And then because Vince Carter dunked all the time on
everybody big or small, and he.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Had like the greatest dunk contest of all time. Yeah yeah,
in my memory.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
At least more than better than mclung.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean there's no car.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Involved, there was no.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Three pt Mike what'd you find. Yeah, it was just
during a photo shoot. He just jumped up in a
photo show.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
And they were taking a picture and he's like, I'm
gonna do a ballet move and that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Good, fine, good, fine, good fine, Okay. Vince Carter on
the list. Sean Kemp, great call, did make the list.
Hard dunker like that Mother Africa dunks with Sean Eddie.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Uh, Mailman karme alone.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah he could he mean he could dunk.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, I remember I had a poster where he was
dunk in this cier is not.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Not on not on the list. List is bro Bible
on a bunch people that had contributed to it not
saying you're wrong, Hey he could dunk.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Man, he could dunk, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Another one.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I'm thinking kind of underrated in his game because he's
such a great player. But Kobe Bryant could dunk. Hey,
there's down some good ones.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, Kobe did not make the list. Uh, this is
one that I should have thought of and didn't because
it's recent enough to play Griffin.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Oh yeah, a lot of city, yes, him and Chris Paul. Yeah,
it was nasty.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yes, it was all dunked, all time. Yeah, like I
would have missed that one and then I would have
hated myself for it. Okay, anybody else?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
How many do we have?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Left a lot too? And I'll say this, one of
them still plays. Two of them are in our lifetime
of watching basketball, and one is not so go old
old school, old old. We never watched your Jay, correct,
Julia Servin, that's good, Kevin three left one one plays
(19:20):
right now, John Marin. Oh, that's a good one though,
because that dude flies out of everywhere. He's so fast
and he dunks on people all sizes.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Russell Westburg go more more famous, way more famous? Oh, Lebron, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
We're so dumb.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
We're thinking too much.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
The other two, I don't think you're going to get
just by guessing. I'll say one of them a very
famous Phoenix son, not Charles Barkley, a very famous Phoenix son.
We saw and Nick and Nick maristmar yes, Maricenemer he
was awesome. Yeah, he was awesome. And the other one
Jason Richardson, Oh yeah, Jay.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Richards Oh you know Richard did he played for Golden State.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
He was bouncing, he bounced around Golden State, was I
wondered who he thought, who you saw him playing with,
because I thought Golden State too.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, that's why I affiliated. But I know he bounced around.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Okay, cool, everybody feel good about that. Yeah, we got
a guest coming up in a second. We like talking
college basketball, and he's been losing a lot of money
in college basketball.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Actually, I made some good money on Florida the other
night that Florida was down. Uh, they were playing Georgia,
which George is a little sneaky team.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Man, Georgia. Yeah, but they kind of sucked, but they Okay,
Sneaky's a good point because they can't win a game.
But they're not gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
There are a handfuls of sneaky teams, which I love.
At this time of the year, I'm like starting to
collect my little notes.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Of like, watch they're not making the tournament though, well Georgia, but.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Just because they're in the SEC. Probably, But you know,
like Texas A and M. Sneaky team, good sneaky team.
I next this A and M.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
They don't play offense. I mean they do, they have to,
but they beat people up defensively where that hurts you
in the tournament though, is if you can't play offense. Yeah,
and the refs are very consistent in the tournament because
they are great at every game to see if they
get to move on to the next game. So there's
no hey, we're going to play it this way tonight,
which kind of happens around the country in different leagues
(21:27):
and by different refs. They know they're getting great to
go to the next game. So if you're a great
defensive team, that helps. But if you have no offense
at times because of how they're calling the game, you
can really get yourself in trouble. I've watched too much SEC.
I can like break down all the times. I'm sorry interrupt,
I'm ahead, No, it's good.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
But anyway, Florida was playing Georgia and they were down
by twenty points. So I was like, come on, this
cannot in this way. So I got them at plus ten,
plus eight, plus five. It was one of those games
you know where I'm like, I gotta just keep going,
keep going, keep going. And they lost by four points.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So you hit that.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I hit all three of them. I'm like, let's go.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
By ribbon to something on Instagram that I wanted to
bring up and that's how I save a lot of
my stuff. Now is I ribbon it?
Speaker 7 (22:05):
Mike?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
How do I find my ribbons? Instagram has changed.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Should be able to go to your bookmarks and your profile?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Oh was that what? The ribbon is a bookmark? That
makes sense?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, I didn't know what he was talking about.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
The first the three.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Dots on the side on the top right of your profile.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I so the three slashes, now, yeah, the slashes. Okay,
settings and activity. We're gonna do this together, and you
should see the saved boom, got it? Thank you? That's
where it is.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
What are you looking for?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I had saved this thing that DraftKings had done. It
was AI predicts where these free agents will end up.
So number one, T Higgins. This is AI that that predicted.
They typed all this crap in and gave all the scenarios. Uh,
T Higgins to the Carolina Panthers. But that'd be about money, right,
(22:52):
because if the Bengals don't because they have Burrow, they're
paying him a ton. They have three other players and
that's four they're going to do four with basically max contracts,
two wide receivers obviously one edge and they said they
may have to with Higgins do the one year franchise,
(23:15):
franchise tag him and he doesn't want to be tagged,
So they say the Panthers Digs to the.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Cowboys Stefan with a B.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
That'd be cool, that would together, that would be cool.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
This is a I too, by the way.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They Cooper Cup to the Chargers. That'd be easy. Yeah,
stay done, you got to move stays there, Amari Cooper
to the Ravens. They could use him. Yeah, I feel
like he'd be better though there too, because the Cowboys suck.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
He wasn't with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
He was with when he was though. Yeah, Yeah, that's
the last time I saw him play consistently put Browns.
The Browns didn't counted on the bills he didn't and
the Browns didn't count because they would have a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So like, I feel like the last time I saw
him have a chance with the Cowboys and they didn't.
They sucked. No offense, dude. Keenan Allen to the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Oh gosh, he just gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Debo to the Steelers. Oh Man, Chris god one of
the Jaguars. Devanta Adams to the Lions. Yeah, if I'm
Devanta Adams. I'd like that.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
That awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, yeah, you want to do quarterbacks real quick? This
is not AI, this is US. Where will they end up?
Where will they end up? Let's go fear with the
Matthew Stafford. He wants fifty million bucks. Rams are like,
I don't think we're gonna give it to you, Matthew Stafford.
I'm gonna say Stafford ends up. So I think it's
Giants or Raiders. I think Giants are probably the leader
(24:41):
right now, with the Raiders being number two out of
the Rams. I'm not going to pay fifty million.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Bucks, and who needs a quarterback? So Giants, Giants, and
the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I think the other teams aren't going to pay fifty
million bucks though. So I think those are the two options.
Two options that will pay him. Trade a decent draft pick,
because it's not we're just gonna take him and pay him.
It's you got to pay him if you get him,
because he wants longer than a one year deal. Yeah,
so it's what pick can you give up? I think
the Raiders have six and the Giants have maybe two
or three. Yeah, so you're gonna probably trade. That's what
(25:12):
the hope is that first round pick. I can't see
anybody trading that pick. Maybe a second and third rounder,
but I think Stafford's probably a giant.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, I would go to the Giants. That's all I
was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Outside shot a Raider. Kirk Cousins, Tennessee, I'm gonna say,
I want to say Cleveland. Stefanski was his play caller
in Minnesota, and Kirk Cousins can do what we just
saw happen from Denver to Pittsburgh with Russ Wilson, where
(25:41):
Russ was guaranteed all the money, so he took the
minimum to go to Pittsburgh so it didn't hit their
cap at all. And because the Browns, oh massage man
ninety million bucks or whatever this son, Yeah, they can
take Cousins minimally. He still gets his money if he's
not staying. A backup they're now saying. The Falcons are
(26:02):
still saying the backup.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
If he stays, they can pay him ninety million in
one year or fifty for two, or they can figure
out how to trade him. And if they figure out
to trade him to Cleveland, that also maybe gets Miles
Garrett to stay, because Miles Garrett's like, I'm out of here.
We're not even trying. And he can go for a
few hundred thousand bucks and still make all the same
money because of what he's owed in Atlanta, and he
(26:25):
has a relationship with Stefanski. So that's my pick.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's pretty good pick, though, I was gonna say, you're
pretty in depth. I mean, I just said the Titans random.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Guess Aaron Rodgers that's home, like he's going home. I'm
gonna pick the Rams if Stafford leaves. And if Stafford
goes somewhere and they get some decent picks, I think
they probably draft their next quarterback. And Aaron Rodgers is
there for a year maybe two, and that's the system,
(26:56):
he'd probably do really well. And because everybody does, so
I'm gonna say the Rams. If Stafford isn't there, I
don't know what the Titan's gonna do. I hope the
Titans don't bring Rogers here. So if Stafford doesn't leave,
then where's Rogers go? Prie the Titans? But that's annoying
for us.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, and why would you want to come here just
to play house?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
He's got a house here.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
He's not gonna like you guys, don't worry.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
I got a house.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
We're good to know the yard. Dude, stay there, Stay there,
You're not gonna do anything else. Stay there. We're all good.
Other quarterbacks that can be moving around? Can you think
of any other ones?
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Sam Donald?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Oh yeah, are the Seahawks gonna keep Gino?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
What about the Steelers?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
So Rogers to the Steelers is also a thing though, Yeah,
but I have not heard Donald to the Steelers at all.
So Donald could really end up back in Minnesota. Probably not, though,
because I don't think they're gonna pay him, especially because
we talked to Kevin O'Connell the other not ours, but
the head coach, and just hearing him talk was like, Hey,
we're gonna let him see what his value is to me.
That's we're gonna probably lose him. Yeah, I mean I
(27:59):
think the.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
For Darnald, we're still right. Yeah, the Raiders would be.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Good if Stafford doesn't go there. I think you have
a couple of pieces of their affecting other pieces. But
I think the Raiders is good. Okay, Uh interview coming
up in a second. Let's get into our conversation with
Grant McCasland, head basketball coach at Texas Tech. You know,
(28:27):
I oddly like all Texas Tech teams. There's no reason
for me to dislike them, but I think I like
Texas Tech because I'm an Arkansas fan. Now that doesn't
mean all Arkansas fans like Texas Tech specifically, but Texas
Tech is like the school that's kind of got a
grind in that state, meaning you got Ut, you got
(28:50):
Texas A and m Man, you got a lot of
big Texas schools, and I feel like Texas Tech is
like not so much in the shadow, but like they're
always like I gotta punch at stra hard for people
to pay attention, and that's what I feel like we
have to do at Arkansas. So like I generally have
a positive feeling towards Texas Tech athletics for that reason.
(29:10):
Love football coach, loved this basketball coach. I mean Grant McCaslin.
He has been a winner before taking over in Lubbock.
He led North Texas to an NIT championship at twenty
twenty three and their first ever NCUBA Tournament win. Massive
deal in North Texas through ten seasons as an NCAA
head coach, mccastlin's now two hundred and thirty four and
(29:31):
one hundred, and he's won seventy eight and eighty eight
at the Division one level. I mean, just some fun facts.
The twenty twenty Conference USA Coach of the Year, three
straight Conference USA championships, over seven hundred career winning percentage.
I could go on and on. This year, Texas Tech
kind of rocking. Twenty one and seven. Right now, they're
third in the Big twelve. They're playing Kansas on Saturday.
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Then they finished with Colorado and at Arizona State. Lenardi
has at a two, like a bottom two or an
early three right now in the bracket. But I love
this dude. I liked them until we talked with them,
and then I'm like, I'm in I'm in here. He
is my new friend. Coach Grant mccaslan. Hey, coach, that's
(30:16):
a pretty sick hoodie you have on. By the way,
that's a good one.
Speaker 7 (30:20):
You want one, Yeah, I'll send you one.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Oh, he's a shameless coach.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
No, No, that Melbourne.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
When you got a little best you got a little.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Got a little Malbourne card again. You play golf too?
What's going on? Coach man?
Speaker 7 (30:32):
I'll hit I'll hit a ball in the woods.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, So okay, that's funny. What do you get to
do during basketball season? I'm sure it's all basketball all
the time. Do you have time to read books? Like?
What in the world can you do during basketball season?
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Man, good question. I do a lot of things with
my family.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
I got I got four kids, so I got two
boys to play hoops, soda rock climbs, and we we
have a simulator at the Alice. We built a basketball
bar and it's got two big a ball courts, a
climbing all, and a little golf sem area. So we
turned it loose at night every once in a while
in between some film sessions.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Are you a little family?
Speaker 8 (31:08):
Got a little My wife played soccer here at Tech,
so we'll play a little pick a ball.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
That's what I was gonna ask. If you're you're a
pickle ball player.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
We have a court.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We just built a court here at the house. And
this guy from Ohio I posted a video coach on Twitter.
It was just me hitting the ball. I got metaglasses,
so like I was just literally recording game tape, like right,
I like to watch see how I'm improving. And so
some guy like trolled me on Twitter and was like
you suck and I was like, I'll play you for
a thousand bucks. Never didn't even know who he was,
and he was like, I'm in So now I got
a flight Ohio and play some dude I never met.
(31:36):
He was a four year D one athlete for a
thousand dollars in pickleball. So but I got like a
weird competitive like insecurity, like growing up? How competitive were you?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (31:47):
I'm a mess as a competitor. You know that you
do these personality tests and I don't even know which
one it was.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
But you have to rank like your four.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
It comes back after you get done to answering all
these questions.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It gives you, like.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
Your four main characteristics.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
And my number one was competitive and number two is
like belief and I'm telling you it's awesome and everything.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
But marriage, Oh, you're so right. And I've only been
married losing marriage, yes, like three years, so I'm pretty
new to being married. But you are speaking the gospel
like it's like the young Gospel to me right now,
where I'm just learning that that's true, that it's not
always about winning. At times you can lose but still
strategically win, which is probably not the best thing. But
(32:30):
you're talking my language now.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
No. The the true is the only way to really
win in marriage is to lose.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
That's it, there is like, that is the end. No,
don't even try to even say you can win some
and still win.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
No, it's zero.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's you lose, then you win. I'm curious basketball wise, coach,
because you're a defensive genius. I feel just looking at
as you've risen through the ranks of look at how
good your defensive squads are. Is there the option to
be great at both? Like, because again, you're a defensive guy.
Your team is built and I could be wrong, but
(33:05):
I feel like you are Let's play defense hard and
then the offense will happen. But is it possible to
specialize in both at the same time?
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Yeah, definitely. You know.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
The truth is as a young coach, when I was
twenty six years old and got the opportunity to be
a junior college head coach, we were in a conference
with Mark Adams, who was the previous head coach at
Texas Tech, who's a dear friend of mine, and in
the rankings of all the past twenty five years of
(33:37):
defenses that Texas Tech team in twenty nineteen here is
statistically the best defensive team ever in the last twenty
five years of college basketball. So, but he was actually
the head coach at Howard College when I was twenty six,
and the head coach at Midland College, so I coached
against it.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
One game we had fourteen points at the half.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Playing against his defense.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
So honestly, my mind thinks, but I've I learned from
him that you better be great defensively if you want
to win. So we want a junior college national championship.
The first time, we scored over ninety points and averaged
over eighty points.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
So honestly, my mind thinks offense.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
But I'm such a competitor and I want to win
that I've focused on the defensive part of it because
I think that's something that's more controllable in the environment
of winning a game.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Coach, how how upset do you get when your players
miss free throws? Because I know as a viewer I
hate it.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Yeah, well, I don't get upset at all. Actually I
don't care.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Yeah, right, Let's where that's where fans are different than coaches,
because you don't really care. That's an effort thing that
you want to have a guy miss try to let
him squeeze that basketball really tight, and worried about what
you think too. I mean, it's just I think there's
a I think there's a balance to it. But it
is funny because last year at Texas Tech, we had
the best free throw percentage in the history of the school. Okay,
(34:52):
And I didn't talk to our guys about free throws
one time.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
You know what I did.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
I recruited really good shooters so they could make it
when it mattered. And honestly, there is a repetition and
I do think there's some skill obviously involved in it.
But when you get to college, man, if you mess
with somebody shots, that's a personal thing for them and
it's a difficult thing to change. And you know, it
(35:17):
is funny because I do think it's more about confidence
and repetition and feeling like you can step up there.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
But man, do people get mad at free throws?
Speaker 8 (35:25):
I mean, they're free why don't you make them? You know,
I'm like, well, because there's fifteen thousand people in here
yelling and everybody's watching them.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
It's not the same. Now.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I was watching Arkansas on Texas last night. I hate
Texas with all my heart, Like I wish Texas would
fall in a whole coach and I'm an Arkansas guy.
But we were missing. We were missing free throws like
we always miss free throws. But I never thought that
you should just recruit good free throw shooters more so
than spend twenty minutes into practice shooting free throws.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
Well you know this, Like there are some repetition things
that I do think make it more repeatable, which are
when you get under pressure, make it simpler for a
person to control the variables. I mean, the less movement
the better in regards to efficiency. But I do think
it's way more like mental than it is physical in
a lot of ways. And the repetition of guys that
(36:14):
have always seen them go in all their lives, there
is something to that that gives them a different level
of confidence when they step up to the free throw line.
And now I've coached guys where it's gone the other
way too, where they went from being like seventy to
like really bad. And what they did is they tried
to go in and obsess over some detail to fix
and their free throw shot and lost the connection to
(36:35):
the confidence and flow of like being in the moment
and being confident. It's a wild battle, and when it
goes downhill, I mean, it's like a lot of things
in golf for other things that are repetitive in nature,
and can it can get worse. But that's where I
don't even We put guys in routines and we allow
them the space to make improvements specifically, but man, I
(36:58):
don't mess with that.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
How much do you put into like Lonardi putting you
guys in certain places right now? Two seed? I think
I just saw, oh nothing.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
I mean, I don't mean that in disrespect to the
people that make those decisions, but you and I both know.
I mean, we've got three conference games and then plus
the conference tournament, and man, so many things change and
the uncontrollables.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
I'm out of that game.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
When I was a junior college coach at twenty seven,
our second season, we had a path to maybe win
the tournament.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
So I went through and like said, like, if we.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
Win this game, then we can be a two seed
in the tournament if we win these three games. And
what happens if we win these four And I spent
all this time doing all this math, and then you
get to the end of the season, Like, I realized
every second that I spent trying to figure out where
they had us was two or three seconds that I
could have invested in a relationship with someone that actually
would have made an impact on winning. And so man,
(37:49):
I just flipped this whole thing in my brain of like,
anytime there's a where do someone or what do I
think could happen? I just like, well, let's invent and
what actually does happen, which is people and relationships and
their impact on what we're doing as a team. And
(38:10):
it's changed my perspective and of all of the thought
process in regard to where they put people in the
NCAA tournament and projections.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
With this part of the year, where's the balance in
keeping players healthy and fresh and also keeping them in rhythm?
Speaker 8 (38:26):
Yeah, you know, I and my experience, what we do
right now is we push the throttle down at the
beginning of practice and we'll start with a super competitive
segment of like pressing, because you get to the end
of games and that's what really matters. And we try
to like rev it all the way up and get
a transition drill going and then make it real competitive
(38:47):
at the beginning of practice and then we taper it
off and then at the end is like mentally, how
do you execute? But nothing competitive because what we found
is guys get hurt, you know, kind of more when
they get fatigued at the end of than they do
at the beginning.
Speaker 7 (39:01):
So I still think you got a practice.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
And if you asked me one thing that I talked
to all my buddies coaching, like Scott Drew and you know,
Tommy Lloyd at Arizona and Ben McCollum at Drake and
Ross Hodge at North Texas and Scott you know, just
we all talk about like how do you make it
competitive but you don't want to get anybody hurt.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
But I do think there's a.
Speaker 8 (39:21):
Way to rev it all the way up where you
still get that competitiveness and you can still put the
throttle all the way down and get what you need
but not not put anybody in harms away.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Are there any heat check rules where if somebody's on coaching,
there two, three, four in a row where it's like
understood taking another one, Like, are there any heat check
rules at all?
Speaker 7 (39:41):
Oh? I mean, if you say rules, there's like heat
check for me.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
I just love it when guys feel like Chance McMillan
made one the other day at home where he shot
it and turned around and went the other way, and honestly, like,
would I prefer him to not do that on all shots? Yes,
but when you are playing with a different level of confidence,
that means we're playing at our best. And so, man,
(40:10):
we love shooting threes. We shot thirty the other day
and didn't make many of them. But I do think
that there's a confidence level that your players have to
play with on that side where once you get rolling, let's.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
Let it rip.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Coach, what's your relationship with referees? Like, sometimes it's very
you know, will you explain that call to me? And
then sometimes it's like what are you thinking? Do you
know all these guys right? So what's your relationship with them?
Speaker 8 (40:36):
Man, I'll tell you what I pray often, but I
pray mostly about my relationships with refs and my wife.
I mean, I don't know how to explain it, but
it's this wild part of the game that you know
that the outcome isn't supposed to matter to them, but
(40:57):
they impact the outcome so significantly by the flow and
feel of it. And I'm confrontational in nature, so I
don't mind the confrontation of communicating with him, but I
don't think it's helpful. I got to be honest, I
end up airing on the side, and you get to
the end that I wish I would have said less.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
And so in my.
Speaker 8 (41:19):
Areas of improvement, that usually ends up being one of
the more significant ones is how do you communicate in
a way that's respectful but doesn't imply that they're not
doing a great job honestly, And so I found more
of that to be helpful.
Speaker 7 (41:36):
But I can't always do that in the moment.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
What if, like your counterpart is going to town on
a ref, do you feel like you got to step
it up and meet him with that energy? Though so
he doesn't like rule the refs.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
You know, there's two parts that because you know you
can look at those refs and go like, if this
guy says one more thing, it's going to get significantly
worse for him, and you know the difference between that,
and then when you look at the guy and he
seems fras by what's being said by the other coach,
and then you know like, well you better, you better
get a little part of this so that he doesn't
(42:10):
just get in a place where he's making calls that
don't necessarily help. So I do think there's some nuance
maybe to that, but for the most part, the interactions
in regards to that. You know, the difference between somebody
that complains a lot in our league and these referees
(42:31):
talk and they do know going into each game, like
there's something different about someone that shows constant respect and
asks questions and does want to understand that refs make
mistakes too. And I do think that there's a part
of that that there's a sincerity there that most of
the guys that I work with, they're they're they're awesome,
And I do think that there. It's a difficult job
(42:54):
and and most when I look back on film, some
of the calls that I complain about, now we have
them on the bench.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
We used to not have this.
Speaker 8 (43:02):
Literally, we have access to every call every second when
we watch it. We can we can pull it up
in time out and queue everything, and I can watch it,
and I watch most plays at halftime of the game,
so I have.
Speaker 7 (43:13):
A better perspective.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
But I used to look back on it and go, man,
I thought for sure that was a foul, and it
wasn't one. So I think given the benefit of the
doubt over the course of the game and trying to
be somebody that's man just in a real way, trying
to understand what the game is really being called like
and trying to do your best to adapt is the
best way to do it.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Is there peaking too early? And where do you guys
feel like you are in the peaking scale?
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Yes, there is in regards to I think a fatigue
of your team when you kind of know all your
weaknesses and those have been magnified, and I think that's
when your team takes that dive. And I think as
a coach, our hope is to find this real gratitude
(43:58):
and belief in each other where you can concentrate. I'll
give you an example, like you can watch film with
the team and you can show them all fifteen turnovers
of what happened, and you can magnify those things. And
I think at the end of the season, how you
really peek as you start showing only the plays that
you know that one that can be catastrophic in nature
(44:20):
and that your team is repeating. You show those, but
really you try to show all the things that you
want your team to do and those guys that honestly
get encouraged that way.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
It shows them more as highlighted and.
Speaker 8 (44:32):
People want to do what you want them to do
more than you telling them what not to do.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
And I think the season's long for everybody.
Speaker 8 (44:38):
So when you get to the end of the year,
those people have been told like, don't do that, don't
do that, You're.
Speaker 7 (44:42):
Messing this up.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
You can see, you can see the decline and it
wears on everybody because it is a long season. You're
around each other all the time, and there are all
these pressure moments and all you want to do is
tell them what you don't like about them, because that's
the easiest thing to identify. But to me, the way
you get your team to pee at the end as
you really get them to believe what your best at
as a team, and then they take away, man, this
(45:06):
is what I can do, even if it's a role,
and people don't like saying that word, but if it's
a role that they can be great at, then they
know this is where they're at their best to make
the team the best. And I will tell you that
our team's starting to really believe what we can do
the best Really the key is just how healthy can
you be? And that's probably the greatest determining factor of
whether you go into these tournaments, you know, peaking is
(45:26):
whether you're healthy. So that's one aspect, But I think
the other aspect is like the real belief in each
other and what you do well and everybody basically like
pouring into what those things that make your team great.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Coach, I was watching your game against Houston and I
noticed that Patrick Mahomes and his wife were there. What
is that cool for your team to see Patrick and
his wife like sitting right next to you, guys, and
even coaching a little bit too, him yelling and standing
up and getting into the game.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Oh, it was.
Speaker 7 (45:57):
Epic. It was awesome.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
And I got a phone call from Dusty Womble, who's
a regent, and I'm telling you, he's like one of
the greatest guys I know, not just people that support
Red Raider basketball and football, but his name's on our
practice facility. He's just one of the greatest husbands and
dads that I know. He's awesome. So he calls me
and he's got the seats, those Hollywood seats, and he's
(46:20):
got the seats across from the bench too, four on
the floor and he's like, where do you think we
should sit my homes And I was like, wherever he
wants to sit.
Speaker 7 (46:28):
If you want to sit by the bench, it's great.
Speaker 8 (46:30):
So he comes and sits by the bench, and honestly,
I don't interact with him a ton, but he's an
unbelievable supporter of our university, in our athletic department, and
we got.
Speaker 7 (46:39):
All these players that he's supporting. It's really unbelievable.
Speaker 8 (46:42):
Well, I meet him face to face in the locker
room before we go out, and he was really complimentary.
Then we go sit on the floor and I introduced
myself to Brittany for the first time and I'm like,
you guys, let it rip over here, have a good time.
She said, so, you mean I can say anything to
the refs And Patrick's.
Speaker 7 (46:58):
Like, don't tell her that because you may get it.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
I was like, as long as you sit in these chairs,
you can, but if you move over and get in
my four chairs, then you probably shouldn't say anything to them.
But no, they were honestly, their energy and their belief
and what we're doing is just a separator for us
and it was a blast.
Speaker 7 (47:14):
They were awesome.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I had two final questions for you, coach, tournament expansion,
your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
Honestly, that's kind of goes in the category of what
we talked about earlier, of like, you know what seed
are we I just don't have any control over it,
and I like the tournament the way it is. I mean,
you know, sixty four to sixty eight. I know there's
a lot of reasons for it to be different. I'm
not smart enough to figure it out. I'm barely smart
enough to call time out at the right time and
not run into Patrick Mahomes and a timeout, you know.
Speaker 7 (47:43):
I mean, it's something probably out of my pay grade.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Okay, I'm not going to count that as a question then,
since you didn't have really an answer and you acted
like you're done when you're obviously brilliant. But okay, I
hear you. I hear you, coach. Okay, here, let me
switch it up.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Then.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Is there a movie or like a scene from a
movie that you show your players every year?
Speaker 7 (48:01):
Ooh, yes, there is.
Speaker 8 (48:03):
There is Shawshank Redemption which part Climbs of the Poop. Yes, yeah, really, yes,
that's the season. That's the season. So it's like you
find a way to break through and you finally get
an opportunity and then you got to go sluedge through
all this and I and I actually reference it during
games quite often because let's just say, you've missed eight
(48:24):
shots in a row, and you know, you feel this
like desperation, like you never know where the end of
the tunnel really is and you don't really know exactly
what you're gonna have to go through till you get
through it. And so it's just this mental imagery of
the freedom that you have that you don't know when
it's going to break through for you, but it's worth
it when you finally get there, and and uh yeah,
it's uh that's the that's.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
The one final question for you. It's a family question.
High profile job. Your wife went to school there. I
have other friends that are head coaches, football, basketball, different universities,
and there's a dynamic. When things are going great, you're
the hero. When things eventually don't go great for a
short amount of time or a long amount of time,
you're not the hero, but you're very public and your
(49:06):
family has to take the good and the bad. Is
that a conversation you've had with your family at all, going, Hey,
it's not always going to be awesome, but it's not
real when it's not, Oh.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
No question.
Speaker 8 (49:17):
I mean this is honestly, man, my faith, my relationship
with the Lord is the only thing that really is important.
And I think in that my relationship with my wife
is What's that? That's everything. I mean, CC's she was
an unbelievable competitor. She's beautiful, she's freaking so cool.
Speaker 7 (49:38):
She's a blast.
Speaker 8 (49:39):
But when we were losing at North Texas one year
we lost seven of our last eight games, she like
wouldn't talk to me after games. She's so mad at me,
but not mad at me, but just mad at like
why is this happening? And why can't we fix it?
But as a competitor, when you're the wife, you can't
really go.
Speaker 7 (49:55):
Coach a game.
Speaker 8 (49:57):
And like, and then I've got two sons that play
go four kids, my daughter, they all play point guard,
they all play basketball, They rock climb, they're like super
competitive and they just love this. But I think the
thing that you and I both know is like, if
there's anything I want them to know is that I
love them no matter what, Like there's a real grace
to this, and there's a real humility in knowing that
(50:19):
when everybody is shaming you that or whatever the case
may be making fun of you or there's some difficulty
in that, like that there's a love there that is
consistent no matter what you perform. And honestly, like I
hope my wife and I's marriage in the way that
we interact with each other, teaches them that, like, how
(50:43):
do we love each other in a way that isn't
connected to how good you are at something? And I
do think that that's the foundation of being great. And
so when you say that, I just think it's how
you live your life every day where you love your
kids and you help them in ways that aren't tied
to their performance.
Speaker 7 (51:02):
And I think that's the key to all this.
Speaker 8 (51:04):
And I think that's the key to our team, and
I think that's the key to life, and that.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
How do you love people?
Speaker 8 (51:09):
So after we play these awesome games, and we play
really good, I tell our guys to pull out their
phones and scroll and see five hundred text messages. And
then when we lose a game that we're not supposed
to lose, go pull out your text message and there's
two text messages most of the time, and one of
them's from their mom. You know, It's like, these are
the people that, honestly, unfortunately in this deal, are going
(51:31):
to be connected to you no matter what, and those
are the people that you need to call and think
first when we win and do great things. And that's
kind of how we try to mirror this all as
how being a part of a team relates to your family,
which relates to your question in regard to how you
handle all this.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I mean, I'd climb a poopy tunnel for you. Coach,
you got me. I'm ready to climb to a tunnel
of poop whatever you need me to do. Yes, sir,
I'm rooting for you. Guys. I don't say I rarely
say any other team stuff, but you know, Big twelve,
let's go, that's what I say. Wrackham, Yeah, yeah, beat
the crap out of Kansas, win the tournament. Let's get
a good seat. Hope you're near me. I'll come watch,
(52:09):
but not far. I'm not gonna travel far, but if
you're near me regionally, I'll come watch. Coach. Thank you
so much, good luck the rest of the season, and
we really appreciate the time.
Speaker 7 (52:18):
This is awesome. I hope you win the thousand dollars
in the picture.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, me too, Yes, sir, thank you coach. Right, see, y'all,
thank you guys for listening. We're back next week. It
looks like at some point next week, I think we're
gonna get Dama stodom Ireon, who's the head coach at
Georgia Tech. But also like crazy good NBA career, so
(52:41):
that'd be fun. Also more analysis from Eddie Betting college basketball.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
Yeah, a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
When he's like, listen to the story, man, and then
they only lost by four and I won.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Man, I'm close to getting one of those twelve game parlays.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
What's close?
Speaker 4 (52:55):
Eight? No, I've gotten like eleven before. Yeah, I've gotten
really close. But but what's crazy, that's when you look
at it later. It's usually the first game I lose.
The first game, I'm like, oh, that's stupid. But then
you look back and I hit every game after that,
that sucks.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
And because you never pay attention to go back and
look once you've already lost, you don't even know.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
It's usually like a Sunday night, when I'm not doing anything,
I'm like, let's see how my Weekway and gambling. I
almost hit that it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
That's funny. Uh So there's another thing too, if you
want to really feel dumb, you can go over to
our episode of Lots to say. It's Matt Castle and
myself and it's on me because I had Matt try
to teach us quarterback terminology and he thought he was
really dumbing it down for us. And I'm telling you,
(53:40):
about halfway through, I looked at Kevin, and Reid doesn't
know much about sports, so it's fine. But I looked
at Kevin. Kevin looked at me and we're like, dude,
you get We got to walk back about three steps
and he's like, oh really, He's like, but z flair,
Oh god, And he thought he was breaking it because
I wanted to know, like teach us from the beginning
so we can have this one thing to know if
we're like talking with friends and we're like, yeah, but
zero slot z flare Yeah, And he was like, ah,
(54:02):
maybe this is why I don't coach, but I don't
know how to yeah, simplify it, yes, And he'd be like,
what you wanna do is we're gonna make sure your
boss gets and the weak side boss was one of
the terms. Yeah, because the boss was basically the full back.
It was the back on the strong safety. Holy crap,
there you go. So if they're running a boss, it's
the back to get to the strong safety. But it's
(54:24):
inside of like seventy two other words. I do feel
good though about what we learned about personnel. When they
say thirteen personnel.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Yeah, because they talk about that a lot on the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Too, and so you can listen to that. But thirteen
personnel's one runner back, three tight ends or but he
goes into all that. But there was one point we
gave up and we're like, dude, we can't do this anymore.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Do this with your quarterback friends.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yes, well it was my fault because I suggested. I
was like, make us Marner. But go listen to that.
Lots to say thank you for listening to twenty five
whistles and we will see you guys next week. Bye, buddy, I.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Want it, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
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