February 3, 2025 • 39 mins
In this episode, Ryan discusses various pop culture events happening in February, including the Academy Awards and the Grammys, with guest River Page. They delve into the nominations, the trends in the film industry, and the significance of the awards. The conversation then shifts to the Super Bowl with Dylan Gwinn & Dan Roberts, analyzing the game, key players, and the impact of celebrity culture on sports viewership. It's a Numbers Game is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. Find out more at natpop.newsletter.com
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Thank you again for joining me another week for It's
a Numbers Game with Ryan Gurdusky. I want to ask
you to like and subscribe to this podcast on Apple
Podcasts or where you get listening to your podcast, the
iHeartRadio app. And I want to start this week by
just acknowledging and taking a second for the horrible airline
tragedy in Washington, DC that occurred a lot of people
lost their lives, and I hope that you can just
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keep them in your thoughts in prayers. With all the
heavy news that came out in January, I want to
talk with something lighter and look towards February. You know,
it's our shortest month. It's Black History Month, President's Day,
Valentine's Day, but it's a really big month for pop culture.
February starts off with the Grammy Awards on February second,
which is the highest prize for music artists. Then they
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have the Super Bowl the week after, and then at
the very beginning of March, which is technically still February,
since it's the shortest month, you have the Academy Awards.
So I thought we'd take a break from politics for
one week and look at pop culture. Kicking off the
show this week is my first River Page. River is
a reporter for the Free Press. He wrote a fantastic
review of the Oscar nominated movie Amelia Perez, and I
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thought I would have him on for some pop culture topics. River,
thanks for being on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, thanks for having me, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So I want to start off with talking about the
Academy Awards, which you wrote about, which are on March second,
as I said, and those of the people who haven't
who have been following, there's ten nominees for Best Picture.
They are Anora, The Brutalist, A Complete Unknown, Conclave, Dune,
Amelia Perez, I'm Still Here, the Nickel Boys, The Substance,
and Wicked. Now, because this is a data podcast, I
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want to start off with a piece of data. Of
the ten movies that have been nominated for Best Picture,
they have made a total of one point seven billion
dollars worldwide. But that's only because two movies, Wicked and
Dune Part two made one point four billion dollars. That's
really not a lot of money for like movies. So
my first question for you is, like, why is the
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Academy so heavily like nominating a bunch of art house
movies that not a lot of people are watching.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, they've sort of always done this. I think it's
a it's a bit of snobbishness. I don't completely think
it's a bad thing. You know, I don't want I
don't know the Peppa Pig movie or whatever nominated for
Best Picture. You know, they usually throw in a blockbuster
to like Wicked in this case.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Last year they had Oppenheimer and Barbie, which were big movies.
They had Top Gun, Elvis and Avatar the year before.
There are big movies nominated a bunch of times this
movie this year, lots of movies about either trainees or
people who don't have or what was in concrete spoiler
they don't have jen afroditeite situation. Yeah, there's a lot
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of that going on.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, it's always the topic of the day. They love
like a SOB story and like it's usually they like
a political thing, but it's it's like very liberal. It's
not quite leftists, like for instance, the Amelia Perez thing Glad,
which is like the evil like gay rights watchdog, like
professional you know, snarkers or whatever. They hated Amelia Perez.
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It's actually come out that the transactress who plays the
Mexican drug lord who becomes trans and Amelia Perez has
made a bunch of tweets saying that like Muslims should
be banned from Europe.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And like she has praised Hitler. Hitler just had opinions
on the Jews like she was she just she just
she just got rid of her Twitter account like today
because she she has some spicy tweets on World War Two,
you wrote in the Free For those who don't know
what we were talking about, you wrote in the Free Press,
you described the movie as a quote Spanish language musical
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about a transgender Mexican drug lord and her girl boss
of attorney. That is doesn't sound like it's when that
people are breaking their doors down to see.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, they're not. It did so badly it barely even
released in the United States. It did so badly in
Mexico that a government like consumer protection agency had to
get involved to get people their ticket refunds because so
many people were requesting though, really, yeah, that's so fun.
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It did really badly. It was hated by audiences. A
lot of critics didn't even like it, but the Academy
seems to love it, which isn't totally in line with them.
They love picking up these sort of like sad sap
movies with you know, liberal politics that are sort of
five years behind wherever Twitter is. This is just what
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they do. They've been doing it for years.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Do you do you think so? Some one of our
mutual friends said, hollywoo Wood is like Detroit on a hill,
Like it's just dead. It's a dead city. Is that
what this? Because they could have I mean I don't
really I saw a few movies this year, but they
could have done something better, Like I'm sure there was
a better crop to pick from, even from the streaming
movies or must have been a better one. Is it
just that they had, Like there's a lot of money
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and engines that go into like getting a nominated movie
for Best Picture stuff. Is that just what it was?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Or is that like, well, there's three types of movies
that are made today. It's like blockbusters for the Chinese
middle class. It's sort of like weird can't focus, made
for streaming like made to watch on your phone, sort
of Netflix trash. And then there are like art house
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movies that are bad, but like they're they're bad in
a way that you're supposed to feel smart for watching them,
like conclaves like this, it's a terrible, boring slog, but
you feel like you're a smart person for sitting through
three hours of it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
There was what movie was it that was like three
and a half hours long that I was like, oh,
I kind of want to see this. And I looked
at this brutalless brutalist and they're like, it's three and
a half hours long, and I was like, what's it about?
And they're like the guy who made brutalist architecture. I'm like,
who is gonna watch that movie?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Three and a half. I can't. I can't do that.
I went and last year or the year before, I
can't remember. I saw Killers of the Flower Moon in theaters.
Martin Scorsese is four hours long, and to watch that
in theaters is so brutal. I didn't bring a jacket.
I was like shivering in the movie theater because I
was in South Florida. They keep everything like sixty five
degrees inside there. I had to pee so bad. But
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I was like there's no intermission, yeah, and I was
like this is this is just too much. I mean,
it was good because Martin Scorsese is good, but I mean, yeah,
he needs an editor, so to be a top two hours,
it's as much as I can handle.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
He's he's he's at the point in his career where
he doesn't like no one demands some edit his movie.
Because even like To the Party, which is like my
one of my favorite movies of all time, would have
been great if it was twenty minutes shorter, and I
was like, this is it's still a master it's amazing,
but like we didn't need the last twenty minutes. We
just didn't need them. And but you can't say Martin Scorsese. No.
A couple of these movies like whoever means the Brutalist,
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it's not Martin Scorsese. So like I'm sure a four
hour movie or three and a half hour movie was
too much. And then as far as like the actors
who are nominated, A lot of them I'm not like
super familiar with, but there's not a lot of There's
Demi Moore, who is she's nominated for her first award ever.
I think she's never been nominated before for her movie
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which was like a horror movie about like a body.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Of business, substance, which I loved, did you a lot
of people hated, But yeah, it's about this. To me,
Moore is this aging pilates instructors, sort of like a
Jane Fonda character, like TV pilates instructor who gets aged
out and takes this the substance, which basically turns her
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into Margaret Quayle, who is like a young hot actress,
and so she has an alter ego she has she
can only spend one week as each person, and if
you disrupt the balance and try to spend more time
as your younger self, you like slowly become this like
weird monster. It's very campy. It's really it's stupid, Like
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the entire concept is stupid, but it's it's very campy
and fun. I'm kind of surprised that it was nominated
for an Oscar honestly because it's.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I think it's her lifetime.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
She means award.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think that's basically what it is. Like, Hey, you
you've you've lived, you're sixty, you're still got a career,
and like, let's give you an award for something because
you make.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's like we regret not giving you, you know, award
for g I Jane or whatever. So we're gonna do this. Yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
A sport, although I did say probably get bad, but
you know, yeah, not like strip teas, but like maybe
one of the other like ghosts. I don't know, like
you like you made it, You're still around, like you're
still relative. Swells has got Alzheimer's, Like, you know, he's
your ex husband. Let's give you an award just because
we should. And then I saw the Kieran Culkin movie,
which was incredibly boring, but I'm a big fan of his,
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so I kind of hope that he wins. Do you
have any opinion of who you think would win.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
For Best Actor or best hope and think that Sebastian
stan might win.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
What movie was he in?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
He played Trump in The Apprentice, which is the movie
about relationship with Roy Moore. I actually really liked it.
It was I mean, of course, it's, you know, a
hit piece because it portrays Trump raping his ex wife,
which she alleged in divorce proceedings and later retracted. I
wrote a piece a review of this on the Free Press,
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but I thought that it humanized Trump in a way
that I wasn't really expecting. Really from a movie with
its politics, and it really was more just about like
the relationship between Trump and roy Cone, and I just
find roy Cone to be like an endlessly fascinating figure.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Do you think that like Trump will like loom over
entertainment in the next four years like he did over
the last four years.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I think a lot of these people are burned out,
Like there just hasn't been you know, if you think
about what it was like in you know, January of
twenty seventeen, like it was so much more hysterical, Like
there's still some hysteria, but it was so so much worse.
I think a lot of people are like, we've been
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through Trump, we know what we're.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Dealing with, and there's only one just don't have the.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Bandwidth for it anymore, and he has a mandate. I mean,
you can only I mean, I'm sure you'll still have
some terrible libtard movies that come out, but I don't
think it's going to have a complete domination over the culture.
You can even look at something like SNL, which you
know it's still has a liberal bent, but it at
least they have somebody who like can do a convincing
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Trump now and like actually makes funny jokes and like
you know what I mean, like there at the very least,
like people are still like willing to laugh.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Her.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Santa Glam has deleted her crying video, which she would
not have done for you. They'd all be crying videos
right now. And the fact that she deleted her crying
video was like a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
No, they would have like awarded her at the Kennedy
Senator like eight years ago. Yeah, see you so do you?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Who do you think it would win for Best Picture? Then?
I heard of Nora is Good movie. I didn't see it,
though I've heard it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I've heard of Nora is Good. I haven't seen it either.
I think that Amelia well, actually Amelia Perez made I
don't know. It's the voting already been done. I don't
know how this works.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I don't know. It's for another month. I think three
weeks run over. I don't know. I don't know the
answer to this.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, the Nancy stuff made us.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I think has a good.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Chance doesn't go well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, I think it'll. If it's not Amelia Perez, I
think it'll probably be conclave.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Oh god, Okay, Well we're going to talk about the
Grammys next. Before we do, we're going to take a
quick break. We'll be right back. Please stay tuned. The
Grammys are being held on February second after this podcast
is released, but before we're taping it, so we don't
know the winners are yet, and the big nominees are
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Charlie XCX. She's got an album called Bratt Billy Eilish,
The Rise and Fall of the Midwest, Princess by Chapel Rone,
Tortured Poet Society by Taylor Swift, and Cowboy Carter by Beyonce.
Now let me give you guys a little data to chew.
One Dance is the most Grammy Award winning artist of
all time. She has won thirty two awards. She's had
ninety nine nominations, but she has never won the coveted
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Album of the Year awards, spite being nominated five previous times.
This is her sixth nomination and River what frustrates me
a little bit about like And I'm not a Beyonce
like fan, per se. I don't hate her, but I
don't really care. But every time she doesn't win this award,
we have a national conversation about how America is racist
because she doesn't have another trophy and what are your feelings?
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Are they right because as she doesn't have her Album
of the Year award.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I mean it's yeah, this happens constantly. I think it's
it's because of her fan base, which is like or
at least her online like hardcore, the Beayhive as they
call it. It's like thirty five year old black woman
with master's degrees and like the most psychotic gig guy
you know. And that's who's who's bullying the Grammys and everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You know, Cowboy Carter, Yeah, crashing and it's it's trash.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It sucks. She so word on the Street I'm gonna
do by w Wendy Williams. Now word on the street
is that she, like a decade ago, Beyonce performed at
the CMA Awards with the Dixie Chicks right and got
a very icy reception that she took very personally, which
by the way, it was probably an icy reception war
to the Dixie Chicks and then to her right. But
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she apparently was so offended by this that she was like,
one day We're going to make a country album and
now she has and it's not good. Balt's mats some
good music, like if you play like crazy in love
or whatever, like in the club at you know, yeah,
I don't hate it. People still love it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, she's great, yea.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Some good nice club hits. But it's not a good
country album, but pro album. It's like somewhere weird in between.
She covered Uh, Dolly Parker Joline, but then she was like,
don't take my man. I'm like, who's coming for jay Z?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Girl?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like especially now to jar Jar Binks. Look at who
standing next to you. Nobody's coming for him.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, it's so well, what like the thing that gets
me and I think that thing that annoys some people,
like especially entertainers, is a sense of entitlement. Like she
feels entitled, and not only when something doesn't happen for her.
It's like a conversation about a Marria. I want to
just give the listeners something like this that I did
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not know until I started researching us. These are the
lists of people who have never won a Grammy, not
one Grammy, not one time, Abba, The Beach Boys, Bob Marley,
Dean Martin, Diana Ross, Guns N' Roses, Lana del Rey,
Queen and Beyonce has more Grammys than Mariah Carey, Madonna,
Elvis Presley, and the Beatles combined. I look almost as
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much as Michael Jackson if you added to that, like
Michael Jackson barely crosses them over, I think by one
or two wards. But for some reason, America is a
deeply racist country because she for some reasons, One think
it's an entitlement, and I think it's an entitlement you've
see in other parts of our culture. And I think
maybe like the intensity towards any criticisms around her where
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you have to you know, if anyone says anything bad.
Therefore it's a combination of I guess Black America or
something some random thing. It's very it's a very strange
relationship with fans that we like, we're all kind of
forced through. My other question is is so one of
the predictors of who could win is Charlie XCX Now
Charlotte for those who don't know, her album called Brat
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was like very like ingratiated with the Kamala Harris campaign.
It was Brat Summer for her. So do you think
that because Kamala loss are gonna give it to Charlie
XCX is like a isolation prize, cancelation prize. You didn't
win the White House, but Charlie XCX is gonna win
for all of you. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I think they might be too like traumatized by it.
Like I feel like every time like a democrat heres
like three six y five or something, they're just gonna
like it's gonna be like Vietnam flashbacks. Because the Kamala
Harris campaign vastly overestimated the number of homos in America. Like,
I'm like, there's not that many of it. I was like,
I'm living for like the brat, you know what I mean.
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I'm like, if your message as a politician appeals to
me a bit like a gay culture critic, it is
not for America. You are not what do you do
do a retreat? So I don't know. I think they might.
They might be a little too It might be a
little too soon. You know, she might have to get
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an honorary award twenty years from now.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Do you think a ward show still matter?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Uh? No, they better to me, but they don't matter.
It's like I think the radio doesn't even matter anymore.
I don't even know what's on it? To be completely honest, right,
it's everybody. There are people who I listen to all
the time who are like famous, and I'll mention their
name to somebody and they're like, who you know. I
think that streaming has really like changed the way the
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music industry works, and the Grammys haven't really kept up
with that. Yeah, there are you know, people who are
only musicians who are only famous on TikTok, musicians who
are only famous on streaming. And then there's like people
that you hear at CVS, you.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Know, yeah, or the doctor's office waiting room. Yeah right,
and I'm like, oh, this is what from the top
end of this person. I will just say this one
little once again data point for the listener. So the Grammys,
on like other ward shows, their viewership was up last
year sixteen point nine million people. And I right about
what does the financial financial win fall from winning one
of these awards. So Bruno Mars, the singer Bruna Mars,
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saw his ticket sales per night show p nic.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
One of thes people.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
By the way, I like Bruno Mars, but anyway, his
the cause his number went from like one hundred and
thirty thousand to two hundred thousand per show, and Taylor
Swift after she won her first Grammy went from one
hundred thousand to six hundred thousand, and so I mean
there's something. I mean, people do listen, there is a
financial incentive for these artists to win.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
What do you think about Taylor Swift because her her
fans are very similar to Beyonce is I mean they
obviously they can't pull the race card. They but it's
also a sense of entitlement that she should win every Grammy,
every award.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, every album should be but she has that. She's
tied Frank Sinatra and Who's Who's Stevie Wonder for the
most best most album of the years ever. Listen. She
produces a ton of music. Some of it's really like catchy.
Some of it I have no interest in whatsoever. I'm
not like I would never go buy a ticket to
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a show. I would never prop But if it comes
on the radio, if I'm listening to the radio, or
if it pops on one of those like playlists on Spotify,
I will listen through and I'll probably know the words
to my handful of her songs. But like I'm I don't,
I don't understand that I did go to one of
her concerts because my friend an extra ticket. This is
like years and years ago, and her fans were borderline
like terrifying because like they had my homemade one of
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one was an overweight, middle aged man who had like
made a homemade sweater of all of her cats. And
I was like, this is very intense, Like no one
will ever love me in my life as much as
this middle aged man loves taylorsh Web And I find
that you have very strange why do.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You Yeah, yeah, they think she's like Bob Dillwood, like
she could barely right. I don't know what you people
are saying. I mean my friend Nick Beloane for the
Thought Topics podcast, he says something very light Nick about
Taylor Swiff and her fan of one time, which is
that Taylor Swift is as deep as some people can go.
And that's okay, And yeah, I mean I think that
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that's that pretty much sums it up. I mean, but
that's not.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, she's she's fine, Like she's fine. Is she a genius? No,
but she's fine. Like I don't hate her, and I
don't understand. I think people just don't like success, so
they want to trash someone like her. They want to
trash them, like Beyonce whatever and like whatever, Like they're
more annoyed at their fans or the success than you
are at them. They're fine, they're whatever, but like they're
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not a genius. They didn't change music, like I mean,
they're not I don't know, like they're not the Beatles
or whatever else.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I think that there's sort of a parallel between
between both Beyonce and Taylor Swift and the sort of
like you know, Marvel movie, uh so blockbuster like made
for mass general consumption to where like you know, Beyonce
was born in Houston, but in my mind she's like
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incorporated in Delaware, you know what I mean, She's she's an.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Llcy so brilliant. That is so brilliant. That is such
a brilliant line. She was born in ustimp but incorporated
in Delaware. Yes, yes, you know, it is just it
is inoffensive. But and she does a lot of Janet
Jackson cosplay. If you notice, if you listen to jan
Jackson like the nineties and you listen to Beyonce, it's
a lot of copying. It's just what I noticed, a
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lot of it. But yeah, do you have a person
you like to see when if you care?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Chapel Rock, Well, I actually would like Charlie to win,
just because I love that album, but I I'd also
like to see Chapel roon when she'd like the rise
of BD West Princess. I find Chapel Room personally very annoying.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
She's extremely insufferable.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, that somebody you have to mute on Twitter. But
I'm like, get the lesbians a win, you know what
I mean, I've only ever had like Brandy Carlile was
after I told these like boring, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, lesbians haven't gotten enough praise enough in the last
few years. It's been a rough go for the lesbians,
you know. Yeah, Allen left the television and Rosie went crazy.
All they have is Chapel Run.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah. Well in Billie Eilish too, she's a lesbian girl.
Look at her.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
She dresses like Cedric the entertainer. You're so funny, Okay, yes,
going to the Sports River. Thank you so much for
being on the show. Where could people go to read
your work?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You can find me at the Free Press. I write
the Digest a lot. I do a lot of culture
criticism Twitter.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yes, Twitter, So.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Thank you, thank you. My Twitter is at River Underscore
is underscore.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Nice River page. Thank you so much for coming on,
and we will be right back after these words. Welcome back.
So I'm going to admitstling to my listeners upfront. I
know very little about sports. I like watching it occasionally,
I love going to a live event, but it's all
sportsball to me. So I brought on two people to
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talk about the Super Bowl, who do know what they're
talking about. My two guests are Dylan gwen he is
the sports editor for Bright Barton News, and Dan Roberts,
he is the editor in chief for Front Office Sports.
Thank you all for being here.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So let me start off with So February ninth is
the Super Bowl between Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City
chief Kansas City Chiefs have won for the last two
years in a row, and if they win this time
would be the first time ever according to Wikipedia anyway,
that team has won three consecutive years. Going into this game,
the Eagles have a fourteen win three loss record and
the Chiefs have a fifteen win, two loss record. Dylan,
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I'll start with you going into this game, does either
team have a specific advantage, like you think that I'll
probably have an advantage, you know as a whole.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, if you ask most of Twitter, that advantage would
be the referees for the Chiefs. Well, there's been a
lot of controversy over this over ever since the twenty
twenty one postseason, the Chiefs have had a notable advantage
in the number of penalties called for their opponents and
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are against their opponents and not for them. A lot
of the critical calls in these games have gone the
Chiefs way and not their opponent's way. There was recently
a Warren Sharp did a study on this recently going
back to the twenty twenty one playoffs. So there's been
a lot of controversy over this. And it used to
be just a tinfoil hat kind of thing, you know,
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guys like me on the internet whatever. But now Troy
Aikman's gotten involved. Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman is the legendary
Hall of Fame quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. He is
now an ESPN color analyst for Monday Night Ball, and
he called the Chiefs playoff game against the Texans a
couple of weeks ago in which there were a few
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highly controversial calls in this game and they all went
the Chiefs way. And this wasn't during the game, but
he told Jimmy Treana of Sports Illustrated yesterday, I believe
it was that, you know, hey, the NFL's got to
get this under control, because the NFL is sitting here
telling people to gamble on these games. The NFL is
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pushing gambling, their embracing gambling in a way they have
not ever done before. And you're telling people to spend
their money on these games and gamble it away. Meanwhile,
you've got these ridiculous calls in these games that for
some reason always seem to benefit this team from Kansas City,
and people are people are scratching their heads like can
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you trust it? Can you trust what you're watching? Which
is a critical critical component of gambling.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Dann what are you saying?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Well, let me just add here. I mean, Dylan's right
that in some ways the have become the story when
you talk about the Chiefs, and I always say, the
truth flies somewhere in the middle. In other words, he
does seem to get some calls and in the big
Bills Chiefs game, and God bless Josh Allen because I
don't know any other quarterback who's lost this many times
in the final game to get to the Super Bowl
to the same guy. But you know, there was I
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would say the most controversial moment was not getting the
first down call. There was a key first down that
the rest said they were short. Side note. People say,
I can't believe we're still having three human beings eyeball
this instead of lasers and computers. And my answer to
that is, don't leave yourself in a position where you
have to get this one key first down to win
the game. I mean, they didn't do enough to win
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the game. So yes, I think Mahomes gets some calls.
But also they tend to just perform in playoff moments
and they tend to beat you. This was the season
where they squeaked by the most times. In other words,
a number of games this year won by the Chiefs
were won by three points or fewers. So are they
getting calls. Yes, Are they only getting to the super
Bowl because they get those calls? No, they tend to
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get it done in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, Dan, I want to ask you about this question
when it comes to Super Bowl because I you know,
the NFL is a thirteen billion dollar year industry, and
I know there's some kind of profit sharing incentive within
the NFL. Is there do teams get like some kind
of a bonus that they when the Super Bowl is? Like,
does sales of their merchandise go up? Like what?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Does just the losing team sale merchandise all go to Africa?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Like what exactly happens? Is there a financial incentive? Not
just like the trophy it's up, but does the coaches
get more money or anything? So?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
So yes and no, they all split revenue equally, which
is why it's so lucrative to be a part NFL owner.
And by the way, knew this season the NFL opened
its stores to private equity stakes up to ten percent.
The other leagues had all done that for years. The
NFL had sort of dragged its heals. So as a result,
you saw a number of new investors came in. And
and what I always say in business, you know, never
say anything as a guaranteed investment, But boy, owning a
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piece of an NFL, NBA, or Major League Baseball team
is pretty damn close to a sure thing. In other words,
you're almost guaranteed within two to four years to be
able to turn around and sell your stake for more money.
But all that said, it's a revenue split. Yes, all
the players get an extra bonus for winning a Super Bowl,
some of them bigger than others. Saquon Barkley, who's the
big running back on the Eagles, the Giants let him
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go a big mistake. He has something like two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars bonus coming his way, and Mahomes
has more than a million dollar bonus coming his way.
The rest of the guys, it's like one hundred and
fifty k I think for winning a Super Bowl. But
you brought up merchandise sales. Sure, you could argue merchandise
sales benefit probably teams sponsorships benefit. After winning a Super Bowl,
you could charge more for your season tickets. All that said,
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specifically with the Chiefs, it's diminishing returns at this point.
These guys won the last two. They're about to do
a three pet. Anyone who's spending money on Chiefs merch
or chief season tickets already is. And the Eagles last
one in twenty eighteen. In other words, there's a reason
I think that a lot of people are less interested
this year. Ticket sales, in fact, on the resale market
have dipped a little bit in the last week. Still
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extremely expensive, but nowhere near where they we're right now
a year ago, because I think there is some Chiefs fatigue.
So all that said, there's a benefit to the teams,
but not a direct automatic, you know, X number of
extra dollars from winning another Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So I have this internal conflict because one, I really
don't care, but two, I'm a New Yorker. The only
thing about sports was really trained to do is hate Boston.
And then I met Philadelphia fans. I was like, ooh,
those Boston people are not that bad. Or actually, like
I've really underestimated those Boston people. They're way less intense.
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But you know, I always for an underdog. I like,
I would love to see a Bills win or World
Series one day, or the Jets win or whatever, just
because like, Okay, great they finally won. But like it's
hard for me to like the Eagles in a really
tough way. But the whole Kelsey Travis Taylor Swift thing
is America rooting against the Chiefs. What would you say doing.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I don't know. Last year, I would have absolutely said, yes,
there's no question about it. The saturation was to the
m degree and you got shots of her after, you know,
every three plays, you'd get a shot of her in
the luxury suite, or even when there was no reason,
even when you know Travis Kelcey wasn't even on the field,
that you would get, you know, the obligatory Taylor Swift shot.
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This year, I think the networks were a lot more
controlled with how they broadcast her, Like you got all
the tweets, the social media, her entering the stadium, stuff
like that, she got to see what she was wearing,
all the wies got to get excited about that or
or or whatever. But the end game shots, and I
don't know if anybody else agrees. I thought they were
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more toned down this year than they were the previous year.
So I don't I don't know that the hate or
the over hate maybe too strong of a word, but
I don't know that the saturation overload of Taylor Swift
was to the degree this year that it was last year.
And I don't know that that's really keeping people away
from the game. It's definitely not bringing any males to
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the game. It may bring me a lot of teenage
girls to the game. Now, the NFL cares a lot
about that because they're expanding. That's your plus one demo there,
so the NFL is very excited.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
About and teens often have their parents' credit cards.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
So there you go, there you go, there they go.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Now, I would add to what Dylan said, I think
that if anything, there's been a flip, and it's the
Kelsey brothers who are oversaturated. Now. I do think that
they toned it down with the tailor shots. By the way,
we've written at FOS about the very real bump that
the Taylor Swift thing has brought in terms of female fans.
So if you're the league, why wouldn't you keep showing her?
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Maybe this is just my opinion. I think it's Travis
and Jason who have become way oversaturated, and there's evidence
of this because Jason Kelsey has a new late night
show that has not done very well so far it's debut.
I think they're in every damn advertisement, you know, I
get it. The idea is that this is the new
Peyton and Eli Manning, And again they're charismatic, they're you know,
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they're they're pretty good on cam are both these guys.
But boy, I'm seeing way too much of them now.
Look Sam goes for like Matthew McConaughey. I mean, there's
always someone of the moment who is overly saturated in
the TV ads.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, I mean, but Paydon and Eli were really likable
in a way that I don't think the Kelsey bro
I don't remember the Eli Manning taking a doing like
an I got a vaccination commercial that was like, it
was really like, it's it's a weird ad you'd put
a football player. And I want to talk just one
more time about the money situation. So I looked this up.
The year I was born, a commercial for the Super
Bowl cost six hundred thousand dollars for a Thursday, and
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then it'll be about eight million this year, do I mean?
And we had a lot of iconic commercials I feel
like more older. I mean, when we had the Budweiser,
a Frog's and you know, God made a farmer. More recently,
whatever Jews does the ads actually do as much as
for branding as people think that for eight million dollars
for thirty seconds, you you want to know about those
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well feeling.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I think I think the big the big thing you're
seeing in the ads. So this is I'm glad you
brought it up because this year normally the one hundred
thousand dollars annual increase in the average price of an
ad for a Super Bowl ad. So last year it
was roughly seven million dollars for a thirty second ad.
This year, Fox isn't really saying what it is, but
it's believed being around, it's believed to be much more expensive.
The number we do have is that the average price
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for an ad this year has increased by five hundred
thousand dollars, So that's a fivefold increase over what the
average price has been up until now. And you ask
yourself why, And it's because you've got a lot of
new brands that are getting involved in advertising right now
and they're seeing this and this may be a little
bit of a Taylor Swift effect. You've got a lot
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of businesses out there that don't traditionally or haven't traditionally
advertised in the Super Bowl, and now all of a
sudden they're like.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well that gotting point, Yeah, we got to do this,
and a lot of the older brand demo, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
For sure, and a lot of the older brands that
were talking you probably were on when you were younger. Ryan.
The automotive brands, they're pulling out, largely. State Farm is
pulling out because the controversy surrounding the insurance of the
California wildfires. They're pulling out. And now you've got this
new breed, this new money kind of coming into the thing,
and they're flooding the market and it's radically increased the
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average price of a thirty second ad. Now, so it's
a whole new generation of advertisement.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I did not know that.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Hey, the story this year, Ryan, so far is AI ads, which, boy,
if you weren't sick.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Of what are we the ads are? They like that?
It's like an AI made you.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Know, artificial intelligence companies and services, you know, whether it's
whether it's Chat, GBT, imitators, DASS, companies that use AI
for their platform. It's all about AI. Now, let's replace
all the writers, right And in some ways to me,
this is the new crypto super Bowl. Remember two or
three years ago, suddenly the crypto companies came flooding in
FTX was the biggest We all know what happened there.
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In my prior life, I was editor in chief of
a crypto news site and it was right at the
peak where suddenly Coinbase was doing an ad. If you
remember coinbases, the one that I really think was the
most effective. It was just a QR code bouncing around
the screen like a screen saver. It led a lot
of people to quite literally hold their phones up to
the screen. What is this?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
You know?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
And so when you ask how big is the impact
of a Super Bowl ad? I think in most cases
it's not as impactful as it once was.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I don't think that there are many examples in the
last maybe six years of really iconic Super Bowl ads.
When you ask iconic superl ads, I still think of
all the ones from my childhood. There is the VW
kid and the Darth Vader costume, right yeah, Unting in
the car, and then all the Budweiser ones, the frogs,
you know what, all those ads. But I remember that
Coinbase one. And this is going to be the AI
Super Bowl because crypto companies are no longer spending.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Fine, who do you think is the most important player
for each team? And who do you think is the
weakest link.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Well, well, the most important player on the field is
always the quarterback. Doesn't really matter if we're talking x's
and o's, that we're talking football, it's always the quarterback.
And the most important player for the Chiefs is is
Patrick Mahomes. There's no questioned about it. He's Houdini out there.
He's just he just does a lot of incredible things.
He's kind of like Kerr.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Got most of the points last time.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Very Bucker is vital to that team because they're kicker.
So yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
He hail Mary's right before the game and they are
getting Bucker.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
If Bucker would come off on this chat, he should.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
He deserves it, and I and I would be remiss
for not mentioning him. But as far as the most important,
I mean, Patrick Mahomes is the most important for the
Chiefs and and and honestly, I don't know. I mean,
you want to say Jalen Hurst, who's the quarterback for
the Eagles. But they've really gotten to this point in
this season on the on the the strength of Saquon Barkley,
who who as you mentioned before, came over from the Giants,
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and that and that deal that will be much chagrined
in New York for many, many years, and he's really
carried this team. So I mean, as far as I
see it, those are those are your two most important players.
But the Super Bowl always gives us an unknown who
plays some surprise factor in determining the outcome of the game.
And you just have to wait to see who that is.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
An if any different pinions and who think it's the
weakest link, Dan Well, I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Know about weakest link. I mean it could be the QBS, arguably,
like how good is Jalen Hurt's going to be in
this moment again? And in some ways, as Dylan said,
it's about Hurts and Mahomes, I'd bring up Travis Kelcey
because the truth is he didn't have a great season
until late in the season. I say that as a
guy who still reluctantly plays fantasy. He was my fantasy
tight end and all season it was just not enough.
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And finally, in the final week of the regular fantasy
season I benched him. Big mistake. He finally had big numbers,
So let's see how he does. And then you're actually
right Ryan to mention the kickers. You know, it's Jake Elliott.
It's Butker. We've seen this at the college game too,
that the kickers make all the difference. Remember, last season's
sewer Role was only won by three points. It was
not by any means of drubbing for Kansas City to
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all those people who say Kansas City gets all the calls.
So I think it'll actually be a very close game,
and I think the ratings are going to be interesting
to watch. Last year we had the biggest viewership of
all time, but twenty fifteen is still number two, and
the household rating has actually dipped in a number of
recent years. Will this be the most watched Super Bowl ever?
I don't think so, but I think it'll be up there,
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and I think that, you know, it depends on me. Yes,
some people are sick of the Chiefs. Some people want
to see history made the three peat.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, okay, if you have an informed opinion, and you don't,
I mean you could it could be just be a
guest and you could just say, I don't know, But
do you think who would you say that is favored
to win?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Well, in Vegas, it's it's the Chiefs. But yeah, but
only by a point?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Right now? Dyl what what one or one and a half.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm going with the Eagles. I think the Chiefs.
The Chief's luck runs.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Out till I would I'm born and raised Redskins fan.
I can't root for the Eagles or want them to win. Ever,
I'm also oversaturated with the Chiefs, so I don't know
what I'm rooting for in this game. I look based
on what I've seen in the in the Chiefs in
the playoffs, I'm not I'm not going to pick against them.
They that team has found a way to win over
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far more talented teams than themselves, and I've seen them
do it for five years in a row, and I
think that continues.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'm the guy with the sun that says I just
hope everybody has fun. Thank you guys for both being
on Dylan. Where can everyone read your stuff and find
you and read your Twitter and everything?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Bright Bart Sports. Check us out there, bright bart dot com,
click the sab for sports and We're going to just
go directly to bright Bart Sports and I can be
followed on Twitter at the Mighty Gwin Dan.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Where can people expect from front office sports up to
the Super Bowl? And where can people read your stuff?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah? I hope everyone reads FOS. We have two newsletters
per weekday, huge lift with hundreds of thousands of subscribers,
so it's Frontofice Sports dot com. We're at FOS on
Twitter and I'm at read Dan Wright.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, and I want to thank everyone for listening to
this week's episode of A Numbers Game with Ryan Grodwski.
Please listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
where we get your podcast. I'll talk to you guys
next week. Everyone, Thank you,
Thank you again for joining me another week for It's
a Numbers Game with Ryan Gurdusky. I want to ask
you to like and subscribe to this podcast on Apple
Podcasts or where you get listening to your podcast, the
iHeartRadio app. And I want to start this week by
just acknowledging and taking a second for the horrible airline
tragedy in Washington, DC that occurred a lot of people
lost their lives, and I hope that you can just
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keep them in your thoughts in prayers. With all the
heavy news that came out in January, I want to
talk with something lighter and look towards February. You know,
it's our shortest month. It's Black History Month, President's Day,
Valentine's Day, but it's a really big month for pop culture.
February starts off with the Grammy Awards on February second,
which is the highest prize for music artists. Then they
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have the Super Bowl the week after, and then at
the very beginning of March, which is technically still February,
since it's the shortest month, you have the Academy Awards.
So I thought we'd take a break from politics for
one week and look at pop culture. Kicking off the
show this week is my first River Page. River is
a reporter for the Free Press. He wrote a fantastic
review of the Oscar nominated movie Amelia Perez, and I
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thought I would have him on for some pop culture topics. River,
thanks for being on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, thanks for having me, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So I want to start off with talking about the
Academy Awards, which you wrote about, which are on March second,
as I said, and those of the people who haven't
who have been following, there's ten nominees for Best Picture.
They are Anora, The Brutalist, A Complete Unknown, Conclave, Dune,
Amelia Perez, I'm Still Here, the Nickel Boys, The Substance,
and Wicked. Now, because this is a data podcast, I
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want to start off with a piece of data. Of
the ten movies that have been nominated for Best Picture,
they have made a total of one point seven billion
dollars worldwide. But that's only because two movies, Wicked and
Dune Part two made one point four billion dollars. That's
really not a lot of money for like movies. So
my first question for you is, like, why is the
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Academy so heavily like nominating a bunch of art house
movies that not a lot of people are watching.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well, they've sort of always done this. I think it's
a it's a bit of snobbishness. I don't completely think
it's a bad thing. You know, I don't want I
don't know the Peppa Pig movie or whatever nominated for
Best Picture. You know, they usually throw in a blockbuster
to like Wicked in this case.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Last year they had Oppenheimer and Barbie, which were big movies.
They had Top Gun, Elvis and Avatar the year before.
There are big movies nominated a bunch of times this
movie this year, lots of movies about either trainees or
people who don't have or what was in concrete spoiler
they don't have jen afroditeite situation. Yeah, there's a lot
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of that going on.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, it's always the topic of the day. They love
like a SOB story and like it's usually they like
a political thing, but it's it's like very liberal. It's
not quite leftists, like for instance, the Amelia Perez thing Glad,
which is like the evil like gay rights watchdog, like
professional you know, snarkers or whatever. They hated Amelia Perez.
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It's actually come out that the transactress who plays the
Mexican drug lord who becomes trans and Amelia Perez has
made a bunch of tweets saying that like Muslims should
be banned from Europe.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And like she has praised Hitler. Hitler just had opinions
on the Jews like she was she just she just
she just got rid of her Twitter account like today
because she she has some spicy tweets on World War Two,
you wrote in the Free For those who don't know
what we were talking about, you wrote in the Free Press,
you described the movie as a quote Spanish language musical
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about a transgender Mexican drug lord and her girl boss
of attorney. That is doesn't sound like it's when that
people are breaking their doors down to see.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, they're not. It did so badly it barely even
released in the United States. It did so badly in
Mexico that a government like consumer protection agency had to
get involved to get people their ticket refunds because so
many people were requesting though, really, yeah, that's so fun.
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It did really badly. It was hated by audiences. A
lot of critics didn't even like it, but the Academy
seems to love it, which isn't totally in line with them.
They love picking up these sort of like sad sap
movies with you know, liberal politics that are sort of
five years behind wherever Twitter is. This is just what
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they do. They've been doing it for years.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Do you do you think so? Some one of our
mutual friends said, hollywoo Wood is like Detroit on a hill,
Like it's just dead. It's a dead city. Is that
what this? Because they could have I mean I don't
really I saw a few movies this year, but they
could have done something better, Like I'm sure there was
a better crop to pick from, even from the streaming
movies or must have been a better one. Is it
just that they had, Like there's a lot of money
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and engines that go into like getting a nominated movie
for Best Picture stuff. Is that just what it was?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Or is that like, well, there's three types of movies
that are made today. It's like blockbusters for the Chinese
middle class. It's sort of like weird can't focus, made
for streaming like made to watch on your phone, sort
of Netflix trash. And then there are like art house
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movies that are bad, but like they're they're bad in
a way that you're supposed to feel smart for watching them,
like conclaves like this, it's a terrible, boring slog, but
you feel like you're a smart person for sitting through
three hours of it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
There was what movie was it that was like three
and a half hours long that I was like, oh,
I kind of want to see this. And I looked
at this brutalless brutalist and they're like, it's three and
a half hours long, and I was like, what's it about?
And they're like the guy who made brutalist architecture. I'm like,
who is gonna watch that movie?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Three and a half. I can't. I can't do that.
I went and last year or the year before, I
can't remember. I saw Killers of the Flower Moon in theaters.
Martin Scorsese is four hours long, and to watch that
in theaters is so brutal. I didn't bring a jacket.
I was like shivering in the movie theater because I
was in South Florida. They keep everything like sixty five
degrees inside there. I had to pee so bad. But
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I was like there's no intermission, yeah, and I was
like this is this is just too much. I mean,
it was good because Martin Scorsese is good, but I mean, yeah,
he needs an editor, so to be a top two hours,
it's as much as I can handle.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
He's he's he's at the point in his career where
he doesn't like no one demands some edit his movie.
Because even like To the Party, which is like my
one of my favorite movies of all time, would have
been great if it was twenty minutes shorter, and I
was like, this is it's still a master it's amazing,
but like we didn't need the last twenty minutes. We
just didn't need them. And but you can't say Martin Scorsese. No.
A couple of these movies like whoever means the Brutalist,
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it's not Martin Scorsese. So like I'm sure a four
hour movie or three and a half hour movie was
too much. And then as far as like the actors
who are nominated, A lot of them I'm not like
super familiar with, but there's not a lot of There's
Demi Moore, who is she's nominated for her first award ever.
I think she's never been nominated before for her movie
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which was like a horror movie about like a body.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Of business, substance, which I loved, did you a lot
of people hated, But yeah, it's about this. To me,
Moore is this aging pilates instructors, sort of like a
Jane Fonda character, like TV pilates instructor who gets aged
out and takes this the substance, which basically turns her
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into Margaret Quayle, who is like a young hot actress,
and so she has an alter ego she has she
can only spend one week as each person, and if
you disrupt the balance and try to spend more time
as your younger self, you like slowly become this like
weird monster. It's very campy. It's really it's stupid, Like
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the entire concept is stupid, but it's it's very campy
and fun. I'm kind of surprised that it was nominated
for an Oscar honestly because it's.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I think it's her lifetime.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
She means award.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think that's basically what it is. Like, Hey, you
you've you've lived, you're sixty, you're still got a career,
and like, let's give you an award for something because
you make.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's like we regret not giving you, you know, award
for g I Jane or whatever. So we're gonna do this. Yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
A sport, although I did say probably get bad, but
you know, yeah, not like strip teas, but like maybe
one of the other like ghosts. I don't know, like
you like you made it, You're still around, like you're
still relative. Swells has got Alzheimer's, Like, you know, he's
your ex husband. Let's give you an award just because
we should. And then I saw the Kieran Culkin movie,
which was incredibly boring, but I'm a big fan of his,
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so I kind of hope that he wins. Do you
have any opinion of who you think would win.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
For Best Actor or best hope and think that Sebastian
stan might win.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
What movie was he in?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
He played Trump in The Apprentice, which is the movie
about relationship with Roy Moore. I actually really liked it.
It was I mean, of course, it's, you know, a
hit piece because it portrays Trump raping his ex wife,
which she alleged in divorce proceedings and later retracted. I
wrote a piece a review of this on the Free Press,
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but I thought that it humanized Trump in a way
that I wasn't really expecting. Really from a movie with
its politics, and it really was more just about like
the relationship between Trump and roy Cone, and I just
find roy Cone to be like an endlessly fascinating figure.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Do you think that like Trump will like loom over
entertainment in the next four years like he did over
the last four years.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I think a lot of these people are burned out,
Like there just hasn't been you know, if you think
about what it was like in you know, January of
twenty seventeen, like it was so much more hysterical, Like
there's still some hysteria, but it was so so much worse.
I think a lot of people are like, we've been
(10:28):
through Trump, we know what we're.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Dealing with, and there's only one just don't have the.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Bandwidth for it anymore, and he has a mandate. I mean,
you can only I mean, I'm sure you'll still have
some terrible libtard movies that come out, but I don't
think it's going to have a complete domination over the culture.
You can even look at something like SNL, which you
know it's still has a liberal bent, but it at
least they have somebody who like can do a convincing
(10:56):
Trump now and like actually makes funny jokes and like
you know what I mean, like there at the very least,
like people are still like willing to laugh.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Her.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Santa Glam has deleted her crying video, which she would
not have done for you. They'd all be crying videos
right now. And the fact that she deleted her crying
video was like a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
No, they would have like awarded her at the Kennedy
Senator like eight years ago. Yeah, see you so do you?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Who do you think it would win for Best Picture? Then?
I heard of Nora is Good movie. I didn't see it,
though I've heard it.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I've heard of Nora is Good. I haven't seen it either.
I think that Amelia well, actually Amelia Perez made I
don't know. It's the voting already been done. I don't
know how this works.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I don't know. It's for another month. I think three
weeks run over. I don't know. I don't know the
answer to this.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, the Nancy stuff made us.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I think has a good.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Chance doesn't go well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, I think it'll. If it's not Amelia Perez, I
think it'll probably be conclave.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Oh god, Okay, Well we're going to talk about the
Grammys next. Before we do, we're going to take a
quick break. We'll be right back. Please stay tuned. The
Grammys are being held on February second after this podcast
is released, but before we're taping it, so we don't
know the winners are yet, and the big nominees are
(12:14):
Charlie XCX. She's got an album called Bratt Billy Eilish,
The Rise and Fall of the Midwest, Princess by Chapel Rone,
Tortured Poet Society by Taylor Swift, and Cowboy Carter by Beyonce.
Now let me give you guys a little data to chew.
One Dance is the most Grammy Award winning artist of
all time. She has won thirty two awards. She's had
ninety nine nominations, but she has never won the coveted
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Album of the Year awards, spite being nominated five previous times.
This is her sixth nomination and River what frustrates me
a little bit about like And I'm not a Beyonce
like fan, per se. I don't hate her, but I
don't really care. But every time she doesn't win this award,
we have a national conversation about how America is racist
because she doesn't have another trophy and what are your feelings?
(12:59):
Are they right because as she doesn't have her Album
of the Year award.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I mean it's yeah, this happens constantly. I think it's
it's because of her fan base, which is like or
at least her online like hardcore, the Beayhive as they
call it. It's like thirty five year old black woman
with master's degrees and like the most psychotic gig guy
you know. And that's who's who's bullying the Grammys and everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You know, Cowboy Carter, Yeah, crashing and it's it's trash.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It sucks. She so word on the Street I'm gonna
do by w Wendy Williams. Now word on the street
is that she, like a decade ago, Beyonce performed at
the CMA Awards with the Dixie Chicks right and got
a very icy reception that she took very personally, which
by the way, it was probably an icy reception war
to the Dixie Chicks and then to her right. But
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she apparently was so offended by this that she was like,
one day We're going to make a country album and
now she has and it's not good. Balt's mats some
good music, like if you play like crazy in love
or whatever, like in the club at you know, yeah,
I don't hate it. People still love it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, she's great, yea.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Some good nice club hits. But it's not a good
country album, but pro album. It's like somewhere weird in between.
She covered Uh, Dolly Parker Joline, but then she was like,
don't take my man. I'm like, who's coming for jay Z?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Girl?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like especially now to jar Jar Binks. Look at who
standing next to you. Nobody's coming for him.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, it's so well, what like the thing that gets
me and I think that thing that annoys some people,
like especially entertainers, is a sense of entitlement. Like she
feels entitled, and not only when something doesn't happen for her.
It's like a conversation about a Marria. I want to
just give the listeners something like this that I did
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not know until I started researching us. These are the
lists of people who have never won a Grammy, not
one Grammy, not one time, Abba, The Beach Boys, Bob Marley,
Dean Martin, Diana Ross, Guns N' Roses, Lana del Rey,
Queen and Beyonce has more Grammys than Mariah Carey, Madonna,
Elvis Presley, and the Beatles combined. I look almost as
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much as Michael Jackson if you added to that, like
Michael Jackson barely crosses them over, I think by one
or two wards. But for some reason, America is a
deeply racist country because she for some reasons, One think
it's an entitlement, and I think it's an entitlement you've
see in other parts of our culture. And I think
maybe like the intensity towards any criticisms around her where
(15:47):
you have to you know, if anyone says anything bad.
Therefore it's a combination of I guess Black America or
something some random thing. It's very it's a very strange
relationship with fans that we like, we're all kind of
forced through. My other question is is so one of
the predictors of who could win is Charlie XCX Now
Charlotte for those who don't know, her album called Brat
(16:09):
was like very like ingratiated with the Kamala Harris campaign.
It was Brat Summer for her. So do you think
that because Kamala loss are gonna give it to Charlie
XCX is like a isolation prize, cancelation prize. You didn't
win the White House, but Charlie XCX is gonna win
for all of you. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I think they might be too like traumatized by it.
Like I feel like every time like a democrat heres
like three six y five or something, they're just gonna
like it's gonna be like Vietnam flashbacks. Because the Kamala
Harris campaign vastly overestimated the number of homos in America. Like,
I'm like, there's not that many of it. I was like,
I'm living for like the brat, you know what I mean.
(16:49):
I'm like, if your message as a politician appeals to
me a bit like a gay culture critic, it is
not for America. You are not what do you do
do a retreat? So I don't know. I think they might.
They might be a little too It might be a
little too soon. You know, she might have to get
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an honorary award twenty years from now.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Do you think a ward show still matter?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Uh? No, they better to me, but they don't matter.
It's like I think the radio doesn't even matter anymore.
I don't even know what's on it? To be completely honest, right,
it's everybody. There are people who I listen to all
the time who are like famous, and I'll mention their
name to somebody and they're like, who you know. I
think that streaming has really like changed the way the
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music industry works, and the Grammys haven't really kept up
with that. Yeah, there are you know, people who are
only musicians who are only famous on TikTok, musicians who
are only famous on streaming. And then there's like people
that you hear at CVS, you.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Know, yeah, or the doctor's office waiting room. Yeah right,
and I'm like, oh, this is what from the top
end of this person. I will just say this one
little once again data point for the listener. So the Grammys,
on like other ward shows, their viewership was up last
year sixteen point nine million people. And I right about
what does the financial financial win fall from winning one
of these awards. So Bruno Mars, the singer Bruna Mars,
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saw his ticket sales per night show p nic.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
One of thes people.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
By the way, I like Bruno Mars, but anyway, his
the cause his number went from like one hundred and
thirty thousand to two hundred thousand per show, and Taylor
Swift after she won her first Grammy went from one
hundred thousand to six hundred thousand, and so I mean
there's something. I mean, people do listen, there is a
financial incentive for these artists to win.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
What do you think about Taylor Swift because her her
fans are very similar to Beyonce is I mean they
obviously they can't pull the race card. They but it's
also a sense of entitlement that she should win every Grammy,
every award.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, every album should be but she has that. She's
tied Frank Sinatra and Who's Who's Stevie Wonder for the
most best most album of the years ever. Listen. She
produces a ton of music. Some of it's really like catchy.
Some of it I have no interest in whatsoever. I'm
not like I would never go buy a ticket to
(19:23):
a show. I would never prop But if it comes
on the radio, if I'm listening to the radio, or
if it pops on one of those like playlists on Spotify,
I will listen through and I'll probably know the words
to my handful of her songs. But like I'm I don't,
I don't understand that I did go to one of
her concerts because my friend an extra ticket. This is
like years and years ago, and her fans were borderline
like terrifying because like they had my homemade one of
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one was an overweight, middle aged man who had like
made a homemade sweater of all of her cats. And
I was like, this is very intense, Like no one
will ever love me in my life as much as
this middle aged man loves taylorsh Web And I find
that you have very strange why do.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You Yeah, yeah, they think she's like Bob Dillwood, like
she could barely right. I don't know what you people
are saying. I mean my friend Nick Beloane for the
Thought Topics podcast, he says something very light Nick about
Taylor Swiff and her fan of one time, which is
that Taylor Swift is as deep as some people can go.
And that's okay, And yeah, I mean I think that
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that's that pretty much sums it up. I mean, but
that's not.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, she's she's fine, Like she's fine. Is she a genius? No,
but she's fine. Like I don't hate her, and I
don't understand. I think people just don't like success, so
they want to trash someone like her. They want to
trash them, like Beyonce whatever and like whatever, Like they're
more annoyed at their fans or the success than you
are at them. They're fine, they're whatever, but like they're
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not a genius. They didn't change music, like I mean,
they're not I don't know, like they're not the Beatles
or whatever else.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I think that there's sort of a parallel between
between both Beyonce and Taylor Swift and the sort of
like you know, Marvel movie, uh so blockbuster like made
for mass general consumption to where like you know, Beyonce
was born in Houston, but in my mind she's like
(21:18):
incorporated in Delaware, you know what I mean, She's she's an.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Llcy so brilliant. That is so brilliant. That is such
a brilliant line. She was born in ustimp but incorporated
in Delaware. Yes, yes, you know, it is just it
is inoffensive. But and she does a lot of Janet
Jackson cosplay. If you notice, if you listen to jan
Jackson like the nineties and you listen to Beyonce, it's
a lot of copying. It's just what I noticed, a
(21:43):
lot of it. But yeah, do you have a person
you like to see when if you care?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Chapel Rock, Well, I actually would like Charlie to win,
just because I love that album, but I I'd also
like to see Chapel roon when she'd like the rise
of BD West Princess. I find Chapel Room personally very annoying.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
She's extremely insufferable.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, that somebody you have to mute on Twitter. But
I'm like, get the lesbians a win, you know what
I mean, I've only ever had like Brandy Carlile was
after I told these like boring, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, lesbians haven't gotten enough praise enough in the last
few years. It's been a rough go for the lesbians,
you know. Yeah, Allen left the television and Rosie went crazy.
All they have is Chapel Run.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah. Well in Billie Eilish too, she's a lesbian girl.
Look at her.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
She dresses like Cedric the entertainer. You're so funny, Okay, yes,
going to the Sports River. Thank you so much for
being on the show. Where could people go to read
your work?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You can find me at the Free Press. I write
the Digest a lot. I do a lot of culture
criticism Twitter.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yes, Twitter, So.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Thank you, thank you. My Twitter is at River Underscore
is underscore.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Nice River page. Thank you so much for coming on,
and we will be right back after these words. Welcome back.
So I'm going to admitstling to my listeners upfront. I
know very little about sports. I like watching it occasionally,
I love going to a live event, but it's all
sportsball to me. So I brought on two people to
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talk about the Super Bowl, who do know what they're
talking about. My two guests are Dylan gwen he is
the sports editor for Bright Barton News, and Dan Roberts,
he is the editor in chief for Front Office Sports.
Thank you all for being here.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So let me start off with So February ninth is
the Super Bowl between Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City
chief Kansas City Chiefs have won for the last two
years in a row, and if they win this time
would be the first time ever according to Wikipedia anyway,
that team has won three consecutive years. Going into this game,
the Eagles have a fourteen win three loss record and
the Chiefs have a fifteen win, two loss record. Dylan,
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I'll start with you going into this game, does either
team have a specific advantage, like you think that I'll
probably have an advantage, you know as a whole.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, if you ask most of Twitter, that advantage would
be the referees for the Chiefs. Well, there's been a
lot of controversy over this over ever since the twenty
twenty one postseason, the Chiefs have had a notable advantage
in the number of penalties called for their opponents and
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are against their opponents and not for them. A lot
of the critical calls in these games have gone the
Chiefs way and not their opponent's way. There was recently
a Warren Sharp did a study on this recently going
back to the twenty twenty one playoffs. So there's been
a lot of controversy over this. And it used to
be just a tinfoil hat kind of thing, you know,
(24:45):
guys like me on the internet whatever. But now Troy
Aikman's gotten involved. Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman is the legendary
Hall of Fame quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. He is
now an ESPN color analyst for Monday Night Ball, and
he called the Chiefs playoff game against the Texans a
couple of weeks ago in which there were a few
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highly controversial calls in this game and they all went
the Chiefs way. And this wasn't during the game, but
he told Jimmy Treana of Sports Illustrated yesterday, I believe
it was that, you know, hey, the NFL's got to
get this under control, because the NFL is sitting here
telling people to gamble on these games. The NFL is
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pushing gambling, their embracing gambling in a way they have
not ever done before. And you're telling people to spend
their money on these games and gamble it away. Meanwhile,
you've got these ridiculous calls in these games that for
some reason always seem to benefit this team from Kansas City,
and people are people are scratching their heads like can
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you trust it? Can you trust what you're watching? Which
is a critical critical component of gambling.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Dann what are you saying?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Well, let me just add here. I mean, Dylan's right
that in some ways the have become the story when
you talk about the Chiefs, and I always say, the
truth flies somewhere in the middle. In other words, he
does seem to get some calls and in the big
Bills Chiefs game, and God bless Josh Allen because I
don't know any other quarterback who's lost this many times
in the final game to get to the Super Bowl
to the same guy. But you know, there was I
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would say the most controversial moment was not getting the
first down call. There was a key first down that
the rest said they were short. Side note. People say,
I can't believe we're still having three human beings eyeball
this instead of lasers and computers. And my answer to
that is, don't leave yourself in a position where you
have to get this one key first down to win
the game. I mean, they didn't do enough to win
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the game. So yes, I think Mahomes gets some calls.
But also they tend to just perform in playoff moments
and they tend to beat you. This was the season
where they squeaked by the most times. In other words,
a number of games this year won by the Chiefs
were won by three points or fewers. So are they
getting calls. Yes, Are they only getting to the super
Bowl because they get those calls? No, they tend to
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get it done in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, Dan, I want to ask you about this question
when it comes to Super Bowl because I you know,
the NFL is a thirteen billion dollar year industry, and
I know there's some kind of profit sharing incentive within
the NFL. Is there do teams get like some kind
of a bonus that they when the Super Bowl is? Like,
does sales of their merchandise go up? Like what?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Does just the losing team sale merchandise all go to Africa?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Like what exactly happens? Is there a financial incentive? Not
just like the trophy it's up, but does the coaches
get more money or anything? So?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
So yes and no, they all split revenue equally, which
is why it's so lucrative to be a part NFL owner.
And by the way, knew this season the NFL opened
its stores to private equity stakes up to ten percent.
The other leagues had all done that for years. The
NFL had sort of dragged its heals. So as a result,
you saw a number of new investors came in. And
and what I always say in business, you know, never
say anything as a guaranteed investment, But boy, owning a
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piece of an NFL, NBA, or Major League Baseball team
is pretty damn close to a sure thing. In other words,
you're almost guaranteed within two to four years to be
able to turn around and sell your stake for more money.
But all that said, it's a revenue split. Yes, all
the players get an extra bonus for winning a Super Bowl,
some of them bigger than others. Saquon Barkley, who's the
big running back on the Eagles, the Giants let him
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go a big mistake. He has something like two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars bonus coming his way, and Mahomes
has more than a million dollar bonus coming his way.
The rest of the guys, it's like one hundred and
fifty k I think for winning a Super Bowl. But
you brought up merchandise sales. Sure, you could argue merchandise
sales benefit probably teams sponsorships benefit. After winning a Super Bowl,
you could charge more for your season tickets. All that said,
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specifically with the Chiefs, it's diminishing returns at this point.
These guys won the last two. They're about to do
a three pet. Anyone who's spending money on Chiefs merch
or chief season tickets already is. And the Eagles last
one in twenty eighteen. In other words, there's a reason
I think that a lot of people are less interested
this year. Ticket sales, in fact, on the resale market
have dipped a little bit in the last week. Still
(28:57):
extremely expensive, but nowhere near where they we're right now
a year ago, because I think there is some Chiefs fatigue.
So all that said, there's a benefit to the teams,
but not a direct automatic, you know, X number of
extra dollars from winning another Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So I have this internal conflict because one, I really
don't care, but two, I'm a New Yorker. The only
thing about sports was really trained to do is hate Boston.
And then I met Philadelphia fans. I was like, ooh,
those Boston people are not that bad. Or actually, like
I've really underestimated those Boston people. They're way less intense.
(29:32):
But you know, I always for an underdog. I like,
I would love to see a Bills win or World
Series one day, or the Jets win or whatever, just
because like, Okay, great they finally won. But like it's
hard for me to like the Eagles in a really
tough way. But the whole Kelsey Travis Taylor Swift thing
is America rooting against the Chiefs. What would you say doing.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I don't know. Last year, I would have absolutely said, yes,
there's no question about it. The saturation was to the
m degree and you got shots of her after, you know,
every three plays, you'd get a shot of her in
the luxury suite, or even when there was no reason,
even when you know Travis Kelcey wasn't even on the field,
that you would get, you know, the obligatory Taylor Swift shot.
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This year, I think the networks were a lot more
controlled with how they broadcast her, Like you got all
the tweets, the social media, her entering the stadium, stuff
like that, she got to see what she was wearing,
all the wies got to get excited about that or
or or whatever. But the end game shots, and I
don't know if anybody else agrees. I thought they were
(30:40):
more toned down this year than they were the previous year.
So I don't I don't know that the hate or
the over hate maybe too strong of a word, but
I don't know that the saturation overload of Taylor Swift
was to the degree this year that it was last year.
And I don't know that that's really keeping people away
from the game. It's definitely not bringing any males to
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the game. It may bring me a lot of teenage
girls to the game. Now, the NFL cares a lot
about that because they're expanding. That's your plus one demo there,
so the NFL is very excited.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
About and teens often have their parents' credit cards.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
So there you go, there you go, there they go.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Now, I would add to what Dylan said, I think
that if anything, there's been a flip, and it's the
Kelsey brothers who are oversaturated. Now. I do think that
they toned it down with the tailor shots. By the way,
we've written at FOS about the very real bump that
the Taylor Swift thing has brought in terms of female fans.
So if you're the league, why wouldn't you keep showing her?
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Maybe this is just my opinion. I think it's Travis
and Jason who have become way oversaturated, and there's evidence
of this because Jason Kelsey has a new late night
show that has not done very well so far it's debut.
I think they're in every damn advertisement, you know, I
get it. The idea is that this is the new
Peyton and Eli Manning, And again they're charismatic, they're you know,
(31:58):
they're they're pretty good on cam are both these guys.
But boy, I'm seeing way too much of them now.
Look Sam goes for like Matthew McConaughey. I mean, there's
always someone of the moment who is overly saturated in
the TV ads.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, I mean, but Paydon and Eli were really likable
in a way that I don't think the Kelsey bro
I don't remember the Eli Manning taking a doing like
an I got a vaccination commercial that was like, it
was really like, it's it's a weird ad you'd put
a football player. And I want to talk just one
more time about the money situation. So I looked this up.
The year I was born, a commercial for the Super
Bowl cost six hundred thousand dollars for a Thursday, and
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then it'll be about eight million this year, do I mean?
And we had a lot of iconic commercials I feel
like more older. I mean, when we had the Budweiser,
a Frog's and you know, God made a farmer. More recently,
whatever Jews does the ads actually do as much as
for branding as people think that for eight million dollars
for thirty seconds, you you want to know about those
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well feeling.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I think I think the big the big thing you're
seeing in the ads. So this is I'm glad you
brought it up because this year normally the one hundred
thousand dollars annual increase in the average price of an
ad for a Super Bowl ad. So last year it
was roughly seven million dollars for a thirty second ad.
This year, Fox isn't really saying what it is, but
it's believed being around, it's believed to be much more expensive.
The number we do have is that the average price
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for an ad this year has increased by five hundred
thousand dollars, So that's a fivefold increase over what the
average price has been up until now. And you ask
yourself why, And it's because you've got a lot of
new brands that are getting involved in advertising right now
and they're seeing this and this may be a little
bit of a Taylor Swift effect. You've got a lot
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of businesses out there that don't traditionally or haven't traditionally
advertised in the Super Bowl, and now all of a
sudden they're like.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well that gotting point, Yeah, we got to do this,
and a lot of the older brand demo, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
For sure, and a lot of the older brands that
were talking you probably were on when you were younger. Ryan.
The automotive brands, they're pulling out, largely. State Farm is
pulling out because the controversy surrounding the insurance of the
California wildfires. They're pulling out. And now you've got this
new breed, this new money kind of coming into the thing,
and they're flooding the market and it's radically increased the
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average price of a thirty second ad. Now, so it's
a whole new generation of advertisement.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I did not know that.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Hey, the story this year, Ryan, so far is AI ads, which, boy,
if you weren't sick.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Of what are we the ads are? They like that?
It's like an AI made you.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Know, artificial intelligence companies and services, you know, whether it's
whether it's Chat, GBT, imitators, DASS, companies that use AI
for their platform. It's all about AI. Now, let's replace
all the writers, right And in some ways to me,
this is the new crypto super Bowl. Remember two or
three years ago, suddenly the crypto companies came flooding in
FTX was the biggest We all know what happened there.
(34:51):
In my prior life, I was editor in chief of
a crypto news site and it was right at the
peak where suddenly Coinbase was doing an ad. If you
remember coinbases, the one that I really think was the
most effective. It was just a QR code bouncing around
the screen like a screen saver. It led a lot
of people to quite literally hold their phones up to
the screen. What is this?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
You know?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
And so when you ask how big is the impact
of a Super Bowl ad? I think in most cases
it's not as impactful as it once was.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I don't think that there are many examples in the
last maybe six years of really iconic Super Bowl ads.
When you ask iconic superl ads, I still think of
all the ones from my childhood. There is the VW
kid and the Darth Vader costume, right yeah, Unting in
the car, and then all the Budweiser ones, the frogs,
you know what, all those ads. But I remember that
Coinbase one. And this is going to be the AI
Super Bowl because crypto companies are no longer spending.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Fine, who do you think is the most important player
for each team? And who do you think is the
weakest link.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Well, well, the most important player on the field is
always the quarterback. Doesn't really matter if we're talking x's
and o's, that we're talking football, it's always the quarterback.
And the most important player for the Chiefs is is
Patrick Mahomes. There's no questioned about it. He's Houdini out there.
He's just he just does a lot of incredible things.
He's kind of like Kerr.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Got most of the points last time.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Very Bucker is vital to that team because they're kicker.
So yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
He hail Mary's right before the game and they are
getting Bucker.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
If Bucker would come off on this chat, he should.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
He deserves it, and I and I would be remiss
for not mentioning him. But as far as the most important,
I mean, Patrick Mahomes is the most important for the
Chiefs and and and honestly, I don't know. I mean,
you want to say Jalen Hurst, who's the quarterback for
the Eagles. But they've really gotten to this point in
this season on the on the the strength of Saquon Barkley,
who who as you mentioned before, came over from the Giants,
(36:49):
and that and that deal that will be much chagrined
in New York for many, many years, and he's really
carried this team. So I mean, as far as I
see it, those are those are your two most important players.
But the Super Bowl always gives us an unknown who
plays some surprise factor in determining the outcome of the game.
And you just have to wait to see who that is.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
An if any different pinions and who think it's the
weakest link, Dan Well, I don't.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Know about weakest link. I mean it could be the QBS, arguably,
like how good is Jalen Hurt's going to be in
this moment again? And in some ways, as Dylan said,
it's about Hurts and Mahomes, I'd bring up Travis Kelcey
because the truth is he didn't have a great season
until late in the season. I say that as a
guy who still reluctantly plays fantasy. He was my fantasy
tight end and all season it was just not enough.
(37:33):
And finally, in the final week of the regular fantasy
season I benched him. Big mistake. He finally had big numbers,
So let's see how he does. And then you're actually
right Ryan to mention the kickers. You know, it's Jake Elliott.
It's Butker. We've seen this at the college game too,
that the kickers make all the difference. Remember, last season's
sewer Role was only won by three points. It was
not by any means of drubbing for Kansas City to
(37:54):
all those people who say Kansas City gets all the calls.
So I think it'll actually be a very close game,
and I think the ratings are going to be interesting
to watch. Last year we had the biggest viewership of
all time, but twenty fifteen is still number two, and
the household rating has actually dipped in a number of
recent years. Will this be the most watched Super Bowl ever?
I don't think so, but I think it'll be up there,
(38:14):
and I think that, you know, it depends on me. Yes,
some people are sick of the Chiefs. Some people want
to see history made the three peat.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, okay, if you have an informed opinion, and you don't,
I mean you could it could be just be a
guest and you could just say, I don't know, But
do you think who would you say that is favored
to win?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Well, in Vegas, it's it's the Chiefs. But yeah, but
only by a point?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Right now? Dyl what what one or one and a half.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm going with the Eagles. I think the Chiefs.
The Chief's luck runs.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Out till I would I'm born and raised Redskins fan.
I can't root for the Eagles or want them to win. Ever,
I'm also oversaturated with the Chiefs, so I don't know
what I'm rooting for in this game. I look based
on what I've seen in the in the Chiefs in
the playoffs, I'm not I'm not going to pick against them.
They that team has found a way to win over
(39:00):
far more talented teams than themselves, and I've seen them
do it for five years in a row, and I
think that continues.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I'm the guy with the sun that says I just
hope everybody has fun. Thank you guys for both being
on Dylan. Where can everyone read your stuff and find
you and read your Twitter and everything?
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Bright Bart Sports. Check us out there, bright bart dot com,
click the sab for sports and We're going to just
go directly to bright Bart Sports and I can be
followed on Twitter at the Mighty Gwin Dan.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Where can people expect from front office sports up to
the Super Bowl? And where can people read your stuff?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah? I hope everyone reads FOS. We have two newsletters
per weekday, huge lift with hundreds of thousands of subscribers,
so it's Frontofice Sports dot com. We're at FOS on
Twitter and I'm at read Dan Wright.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, and I want to thank everyone for listening to
this week's episode of A Numbers Game with Ryan Grodwski.
Please listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
where we get your podcast. I'll talk to you guys
next week. Everyone, Thank you,
Host
Gill Alexander
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