All You Need to Know About your Skincare with Celebrity Facialist & Naturopathic Dr. Nigma Talib

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dad made me see a naturopathic doctor and my symptoms
were relieved within the first three months.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Doctor Nigma is a naturopathic doctor and has been the
go to skin expert for Hollywood celebrities. Your patients said
that they looked twenty years younger, ten years younger. What
is the link between gut health and premature agents?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
And actually, naturopathic medicine is very science face, even to
the point of looking at the body at the cellular level.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I love that you talk about all these different faces.
You have sugar face, fine face, dairy face, and gluten face.
Tell me what a sugar face looks like. You're a
very good representation of what you do because your skin
is phenomenal. Is botox really for prevention?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
So I'm going to say yes and no, and I'll
tell you. I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm RADI da Vlukiah And on my podcast A Really
Good Cry, we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing
a space for raw, unfiltered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and
allow you to tune in to learn, connect and find
comfort together. Doctor Nigma, my dear and thank you so
much for being on this podcast. I'm so excited to

(01:03):
have you here. And just for anybody who doesn't know,
doctor Nigma is one of my good good friends, but
also a world renowned nationropathic doctor and the best skincare
expert that I have ever met from Beverly Hills. And
I feel like you've treated so many people throughout your
years of experience, and so we're going to get into
the real nitty gritty of skincare because I feel like

(01:25):
there's so much out there and it's so confusing. So
I feel like everyone needs an expert in their life
like you. I message you all the time. I message
you all the time. I'm like, what about this? Have
you heard about this?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I know, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's the best. I have you on speed Doll, and
everybody needs a you on speed Doll and if they can't,
they can listen to this podcast exactly. Okay, So first
of all, tell me how you got into the work
that you do and what took you to naturopathy.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, at a very young age, I was always
the care taker of the family. Like anybody had an ailment,
I would be like trying to fix them and get
them healthier.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
And so I think it was in me at a
very young age.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
And then my aunt was a well known breast surgeon,
so I really.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Looked up to her.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
She was helping a lot of women with breast cancer,
and so I thought, I want to be a doctor.
What kind of doctor do I want to be? And
it wasn't until I had my own health issues, like
I had a lot of digestive issues like we all do,
you know, growing up, I was put on tons of
antibiotics and you know, for my asthma, for my digestion issues,

(02:34):
for you know, all sorts, and so that in the
end had a big toll on my gut. So I
went to see a naturopathic doctor because my father he's
like four one.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
One, anything that's wrong, he will find the solution.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
And so Dad made me see a naturopathic doctor and
I literally my symptoms were relieved within the first three months,
and I thought, this is a kind of doctor I
want to be. So I knew in my teens, you know,
quite early on that Okay, I'm going into naturopathic medicine.
Nobody knows what it is, but I'm going to be
the one to bring this message out. And so that

(03:11):
was my goal, is to help other people, And.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
What's one of the key things that you found after
being a naturopathic doctor for this long what have you
found differentiates naturopathy from conventional medicine, Because I'm sure you've
had people that have come to you that have tried
many things conventionally, but then they come to you and
you're able to heal them. So what would you say
of the differentiated factor is between the between the two.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
It's an interesting question because it brings a lot of
people when they hear naturopathic medicine, they think, Okay, it's
alternative or it's like, you know, it's not really science based,
And actually naturopathic medicine is very science based, even to
the point of looking at the body at this cellular level.
So we're less about symptom drug and more about Okay,

(03:55):
let's get into Roddy's gut and Roddy's cellular activity. See
how are you metabolizing, how are your toilet habits, your
cell you know, your mitochondrial function by some of definitely
your symptoms, but we use different functional tests to assess that,
so we go above and beyond the conventional model. We

(04:18):
do do conventional lab tests just like medical doctors do,
but we analyze them a lot differently, So we look
at low normal ranges, high normal ranges, and also we
also have to realize that those reference ranges were created
for athletic men, they weren't really made for women. So
it's about taking all of those considerations and so really

(04:40):
looking at the root, cause that's.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
So important, you know. I have friends and even team
members have told me that they have gone to a
doctor and all the results come back within normal range
and they're like, but I don't feel well. And they're like, yeah,
but your numbers are fine. You're okay, your numbers are great,
but they know they just do not feel good. And
so at some point there's this barrier when you go

(05:03):
to a medical doctor where if you fall within these ranges,
and if you fit this criteria or you don't fit
this criteria, we can't send you for a scan, we
can't give you medication for it, We're not going to
do any further assessment. And that's so difficult and jarring,
mainly for women. I find that's more so the case
for women, especially when it comes to hormones, anything where

(05:24):
it doesn't fit within Oh, your coursal levels are fine,
you're fine. Your estrogen levels are a little bit higher.
You've got pecos you're fine. Everything is so black or
white and females hormones are just so complex and so
intricate that it doesn't make much sense for so many
people when they go there and they come back so
deflated and defeated. And so I've also come to really

(05:47):
appreciate natural means of healing and the depths that we
have to go to to really understand the body. But
you went from being an asopathic doctor to also becoming
a legend in the skin care world. So tell me
how that connected. How is our skin connected to our
gut health?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's and that's what happened is that patients would come
to see me, and my practice was in Vancouver, Canada,
and then shortly after I was in London for eleven years,
and I.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Didn't as you were learned for eleven years.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yes, okay, I think our pats kind of I think
you had moved to la by this time. But I
was in London for eleven years and really changed the
way people saw naturopathic medicine because they have naturopaths there,
but they don't have naturopathic doctors we have different schoolings,
so we actually go to medical school. So I was

(06:39):
one of the few naturopathic doctors in London. So it
was really interesting for me to see women that were
coming in, you know, from Vancouver and then London, and
I was getting the same reaction as soon as I
was treating the patient at the level of their gut.
They were having friends tell them that they looked five
to ten years younger. So they would say to me,

(07:02):
people are asking me what I'm doing. So I was like,
but they're like, what can I do for my skin
doctri nigma, because Okay, I feel great inside and my
skin is improved, but I still need that extra bit.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
And I thought, hmm, I need to do inside out.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, and I wanted to do it for myself because
you know, I was in my thirties and going into
my forties. I need to do this. So I figured
out an inside out plan for women and basically try
to create an individualized program for my patients, but then
create something for the masses. So it was a fine

(07:38):
juggling act.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
But you're a very good representation of what you do
because your skin is phenomenal every time I see you,
and so I feel like you definitely practice and what
you are talking about and what you believe in is
such a great example. You are such a great example
of that. And by the way, I forgot to mention everyone.
Doctor Nima has an incredible book out called Youngest Skin
Starts in the Gut and there's a full week program

(07:59):
in right to help you to eliminate any gut issues.
But then also the benefit of that is great skin.
And so definitely go and check that out. And we
like to say you have another potential book on the way.
We have another book on the way, which I'm very
excited about. But let's really get into it because I
feel like people have so many questions about the skin.
So how you know you mentioned that your patients said

(08:22):
that they looked twenty years younger, ten years younger. What
is the link between gut health and prettymature aging.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
So your gut microbiota. You have one hundred trillion bacteria
in your gut, so it's like a whole universe in
there on its own. There's the good ones, the bad ones,
the ugly ones. There's like a whole thing going on,
and you have as soon as you eat something RADI
from the moment you eat it, you start digesting in

(08:49):
your mouth.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Think about gremlins. Did you ever or you too young
for that?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
No, I know the gremlins.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah, you remember the gremlins that you feed them
after midnight or if they get wet, they go crazy.
Well that in your gut, So imagine feeding them sugar, dairy, gluten, alcohols,
you know, wines, whatever, different kinds of alcohols. They actually
go crazy. And you feed them these bad foods or

(09:14):
these foods that are inflammatory, and they don't act the
way they're supposed to act. They're supposed to be protecting
the gut, and most of your gut microbiotic. The bacteria
are anaerobic, which means that they don't need oxygen to survive,
and so you know you want to have There's different
kinds of oxygen wanting, oxygen depriving, but they all work

(09:36):
on something called pH, so the pH balance. And we
hear about being too acidic and there has to be
a cidity in the stomach, but then in the colon
it has to be alkaline. So there's different phs and
the bacteria then thrive based on that pH. Now, what
changes the pH is when you eat different kinds of

(09:56):
foods when you're lacking a diversity of plant, you're eating
too much heavy in the meat kingdom, or you're eating
too much sugar. That causes chaos in there and you
get those gremlins alive, you know, throwing plates around and
destroying the gut microbiome. And when that happens, you lose

(10:17):
your nutrients, you lose your anyoxidants that your body needs
in order to thrive.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
So it's coming from the gut.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
And so then is inflammation also linked to an acidic
environment in the gut. So do they come hand in
hand generally or are they two separate issues.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Well, you're right, they do come hand in hand. But
the pH changes as you go down through the digestive system.
I don't know if people know this, but the actual
stomach area where the phs has to be really acidic. Yeah,
they've got to break it all down, right, They've got
to break it all down. And what else do they
have to do? They have to annihilate any kind of

(10:57):
bad bacteria. So say you and I ate something at
a restaurant and there was you know, a Bacterii on
there that was going to cause problems for food poisoning,
and you had more stomach acid than I.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Did.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know, you're younger than I am, So chances are
you have better stomach acid, then you'd be able to
kick that food poisoning versus I would get it because
I'm not annihilating that microbe that I ingested. The third
thing that the stomach acid does is it increases B
twelve absorption. Oh so it has something called intrinsic factor.

(11:34):
So again, if you're not having the right pH in
your stomach, it's going to affect everything all the way,
trickling down to the small intestine, the motor migratory complex
and the small intestine that gets messed up when the
pH changes.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, so tell us some of the best foods or like,
give me your top five foods that you incorporate in
your life every day to feed your gut microbiome, which
obviously that needs to healthy skin.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, so prebiotics are really good to take in, you know,
like we have sour kraut, cabbage, kimchi. They can be
gas forming as well, especially if you're not used to it.
You might have your neighbors move away from you if
you're doing that.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
If you've ever seen so fast date food, No, it's
it's definitely not worst, it's true. And incorporating those into
your diet, I think on a daily basis is a
good idea. Anything warmed and cooked, you know, rich and
mainly plant based. And your book is a really good example.
All the recipes in your book are so good. My

(12:40):
mom's coming to town and I'm going to have her
help me make some of your recipes. I've made a few,
but you know, some of the recipes in your book,
those are really good choices for gut health and really
thinking about people who eat have poor gut or poor digestion.
Stay away from salads and cold foods because a really
hard to digest. And also there's going to be a shocker,

(13:03):
maybe not for you, but garlic. It's a really tough one.
So I know you asked me for the things that help.
But like warming foods, you know, plant based foods are
really good, kimchiese, sauer kraut, those kinds of prebyrns.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, and it really is just what you said earlier.
It's a variety, like you have so many different variants
and microbuying in your stomach, which means to feed the
healthy bacteria, the different types, you need to be having
different types of foods that feed those different types of bacteria.
And so I think people get used to having the
same foods over and over again. We're all culprits of it.
You have the dishes you love making, you have the

(13:41):
ingredients you're used to buying. But I always say to people, like,
look at what season it is, look at what's available,
because I think the problem sometimes is that our supermarkets
have too many things that run throughout the year that
aren't actually supposed to and so you end up being
the same thing where maybe those squashes are not actually
in season right now, your gut's not meant to be
eating them right now. And so I think a big

(14:03):
part of it is pay attention to what seasonal where
you're eating, where you're living, and also just pick like
one or two new things every week to incorporate into
your meal, into your diet. You know, there's that new
I think it's a government thing, but like the thirty
is it thirty? The points for fruits and vegetables. Have
you had about that? They're called like plant points, and

(14:23):
so it's saying trying to hit thirty plant points. I
think it's thirty plant points every single week, so it's
thirty different types of fruits or vegetables or hebs in
your diet. And I was like, that's a great way
of putting it.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
That is, it's such a smart way.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
And I'm so glad you brought up the seasonal eating
because that's really really important. Like as we get into
the winter, you squash, and there's some the beautiful colors
and in these vegetables are rich in antioxidants that are
really going to support the gut lining and help your
gut lining, because that's a really big one. Your gut
lining will determine how quickly you age.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Wow, your gut lining will determine how quickly you age.
And so really, so much of what we need to
focus on for our external body is linked to our
gut health and so focusing on that before you even
thinking about what facial you're going to get is probably.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, the place is that think about the gut lining.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
It's only one cell thick or thin rather, and so
it's like a you know, a double ended sort. It's
like it's thin enough to get the nutrients in, but
thick enough to keep the bad guys out, so that
gut lining will determine. You know, leaky gut we've heard about,
So if you have leaky gut, your increased risk for
you know, intestinal permeability, infection, bloating, gas, constipation, diarrhea, all

(15:42):
those things are you know, you can say that there
could be a leaky gut situation.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
You mentioned meat and then and obviously you know I'm
plant based, but I'm always interested to know if people
have studies or facts about what is the link between
eating red meat or eating meat and your skin or
gut health asolutely.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I think there's so many things. When when you talk
about meat, there's an energetic factor of the animal, there's
a digestive ability. You need a ton of enzymes to
digest meat. It's so hard to digest. And I think that,
you know, while some people do really well on like

(16:20):
a high protein animal diet, I see a lot of inflammation.
So I feel like, if you're gonna eat meat, look
at it as a plant based diet and lower the
amount of meat intake. You know, because you can find
protein from so many other sources, and it's about doing
it right. And your book taught me that a bit

(16:41):
you know, like I knew that, but I've now been
incorporating some of your recipes and it's really been helpful.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
The sweetest. By the way, you just have to bring
your mama over here and I'll just cook for her. Oh,
don't get it. Don't open the book and be like, mom,
make this for me to be like, I'm going to
go to Bothy's and I'm gonna she's gonna cook for us. Oh,
she's gonna that.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
She's gonna love it because you're a great cook.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
God, thank you.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I've tried a lot of your food. I have best.
It's delicious.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
It's just so sweet. Okay, So let's say everyone's eating
all the fruits, the vegetables, all the good foods that
they need to be eating for their gut. What's your
view on supplements. Should people be taking supplements every single day?
Are they gut supplements that people should be having on
a daily basis? You know, give us a rundown of
your view on supplements.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I think unfortunately, we've hit a point where there's not
enough nutrients in our food to get all of your
nutrients we need. We need enough nutrients to deal with
the stress that you know, we're dealing with today, hormonal changes,
environmental toxin. So supplements are very good, but I feel
like cycling them sometimes is important based on your needs.

(17:50):
So I think that's where naturopathic doctors really do a
good job of assessing you, looking at your bloods. You know,
for example, vitamin D. We're coming into winter, right, we
want to load up on the vitamin D because we're
not getting exposed to so much sun. And some of us,
like myself, who I never try to sit in the sun,

(18:11):
I don't want my skin to at prematurely will need
more vitamin D, especially darker skin tones require more vitamin
D intake. So I think it's about, just like you said,
seasonal eating. I feel like supplements are the same right
and getting the right advice for you. I think it
is a good investment to go to someone who really

(18:32):
can look at your labs and can tell you like, Okay,
here's what we're going to do for the next three months.
We're going to see how you feel, recheck your bloods
or redo some other tests depending on what your symptoms are,
and then go from there. But having said that, if
you're vegan, then being on a B complex is important

(18:53):
to do all all around, just so you're getting all
your nutrients.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I think that's such an important point that you touched on,
because I find that there's so much information about supplements
right now, and it's getting more and more, and there's
different types and you know, different brands. I think the
problem is there's not much education around supplements. And I
know one of my friends in London, she actually was
struggling with sleep and so she started taking some supplements

(19:18):
that people recommended. She ended up going to the doctor.
She had tripled the amount of one nutrient that she
needed that was actually stopping her from sleeping. She had
basically gotten insomnia. And I can't remember, wish I could
remember exactly which was it? Zinc was it? There was
a supplement that she was could have been be twelve.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
It could have been if she was taking too much
of it at night.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yes, So I think what had happened was she was
taking a huge dosage of it and then she was
getting insomnia from it, and she didn't put the two
and two together. So whatever this supplement was, she was
taking so much of it it actually created toxicity in
her body. Now that's an extreme situation, but I do
think that there is You know, everyone's like take a
bit to mindy, take a betail take of this. But
what you said about go get yourself assessed because what

(20:02):
your friend, what your mom or your aunt's taking is
not going to be what your body may need. And
so you may be create you may not even have
the ability to absorb those nutrients right now. So you
need to get your gut checked and then you need
to get your levels checked and then figure out what
supplements you should be taking. And honestly, I think that's
the same thing with ivadic curves, like right with usha,
gandha and things like that. They don't necessarily need to

(20:23):
be taken every day, but if you find yourself in
stressful periods, take it three for three months, see how
you feel. I think we used to just popping those
pills in the morning, making us that make us feel
like we're doing something for our health. But I think
it's so important that these vitamins are actually like medicine
for us too, and so you have to be so
careful with which ones you're taking and get assessment before

(20:44):
you decide to just take them years on end.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Have you heard of the mtchfar gene, No tell me.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
So this gene is if you have a double positive
to this MTHR MTHFR gene, then you can have increased
risks of not being able to absorb folate and so therefore,
if you're doing too much B twelve you can mask
a folate deficiency and vice versa. So again it comes

(21:15):
down to testing individually, Like I have a positive and
a negative snip for this particular gene, so I know
I need to take B twelve folate very often, and
also I take it with alongside other B vitamins because
B vitamins are like a big happy family. They need
to be taken together. So just to remember, if you're

(21:37):
just taking B twelve, it's not a big happy family.
You need B one, B two, B twelve, B six folate,
So you need the family as a unit to take
together because they all work synergistically. So yeah, no, no
again with the MTHFR is super important to get things
like that tested if you're really keen.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
And people wouldn't know people just as someone like you
tells them. Are there any specific supplements you think are
a generic thing that people can be taking to support
their gut or skin health or would you say it
is really just very specific.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
It's a good question.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think generally speaking, I've measured so many patients over
the last twenty years, and I've used different labs, not
just the conventional labs that are out there that really
don't tell you the proper reference ranges for B twelve.
I think the reference ranges are larger than they are
in the blood, so it can make it look like
you're taking too much B twelve and freak you out.

(22:36):
But remember B twelve is water soluble, so it really
can't do a ton of harm unless you're taking barrels
of it. So I would say the one thing that
I see in almost everyone benefit is a be complex.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay, good, So that's a useful one. It's gonna take
anything grab a bee complex. You have spoken about perimenopause
lately on your social media, and I would love to
hear your experience, but also any advice that you could
give to people that are going through it or symptoms
that can help recognize that can help me to recognize that,

(23:10):
because I feel like I'm new to the term of
perimenopause and I feel like a lot of people are
you hear menopause yes, but perimenopause is something that I'm
hearing more and more now.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
And there's even Perry peri perimenopause.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
My gosh, here we go. Give me all of them.
Give me the Perry, the peri pari, and the peri
peri perimenopause. Give me the lowdown on it.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, because the symptoms start before your period stops, and
so you know, women can in their I'm seeing women
in their twenties with low progesterone, really really low progesterone,
and as a result, they're having problems sleeping. They're having
similar symptoms to menopausal women, but they haven't quite stopped
their period yet. So you know, at least in menopause,

(23:51):
the period is stopped and you're not getting the chie
sucked out of you, right, And you know, you have
these younger women in their twenties experiencing this and it
really boils down to cortisol and stress. I feel like
there's a lot of stress, you know with social media.
You know, you talk about a lot of that on
your Instagram, which I think is super important, like putting

(24:13):
down your phone.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
But do we do that, know and can we do that?
You know?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And even for you know, people in their twenties, you know,
their universities, they need their computers to do their school
work or to do their job or you know. So
it's getting worse and worse. And what is that cortisol?
How is that cortisol impacting our hormones? It's massively impacting
our hormones. I'm seeing women going into Perry Perry menopause

(24:39):
in their thirties and partly, you know, skipped periods, night sweats, fatigue,
you know, any issues you're having in your current menstrual
cycling periods is going to affect It's going to be
like a kind of like a sign of what your
menopause is going to look like. So you have to

(25:00):
start taking care of your hormones now before you hit
the menopause.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
And what does that look like for someone who's trying
to prevent I say that they have an a perimenopause
or menopause. What are some of the things that we
can do to really protect ourselves or you can protect
sself from getting it, but to lessen the effects of menopause.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
So think about it.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
How do hormones get out of our body? We pee
it out, we pooh it out, and we sweat it
out and we bleed it out right. So those are
the ways we get rid of the dor dirty hormones
I call them. And these hormones need to be cleaned.
So how do they get cleaned? Plant based diet, really
good diet get also enhancing your liver's ability to detoxify,

(25:43):
because a liver one hundred percent clear hormones. So I
had a patient yesterday, for example, and she just you know,
I'm writing my second book right now, but she says
something really interesting. She said, doctor Enigma, I started taking
the liver herbs that you gave me because I was
getting all these night sweats and you know, all these

(26:05):
menopausal symptoms, brain fog. And she said, I would take
these herbs and the glutacion and all the rest of it,
and the hot flashes would disappear. And I said, because
you're cleaning your hormones, and she's I said, were you
constipated during that time? And she was, as a matter
of fact, I was. So it all boils down again

(26:26):
to how well are we eliminating those dirty hormones out
of our body? And when we don't eliminate them, they
recycle and they create more communication errors and that's where
the hormonal imbalances happen.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, I think we think about cleaning our hormones, do we,
And I think the liver is almost overlooked unless you
think you have an alcohol problem or you know, the
liver is not something we really think about cleansing. And
every time I've gone to a natopathic doctor or a
homeopathic doctor, the first thing I say, your liver is fatigued.
Thing is about everybody, but they focus so heavily on

(27:02):
the liver or you need to support your liver, and
they say that overheated liver. In iraveda, they call it
an overheated liver. Your liver is overheated. It's not able
to work as hard because of the inflammation that we
put into our body the foods that we're eating. It's
causing inflammation and it's overheating your liver. And if your
heat liver is overheated, it's not able to work as efficiently.
And so do you know any good foods that people

(27:25):
should be eating to support their liver health? Oh?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Absolutely, let's get so. Artichokes are fantastic. They really really
clean out the liver and any any sorts of fiber
in the diet any you know, foods that are rich
in fiber, because you've got to clean the liver.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
And then you've got to sweep it out.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Okay, right, so it's like cleaning the house, but leaving
the dust in a corner.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
We need to get rid of that dust and eliminate
it from the body. So it's always going to be
about bowel movements, and as we get older, the elasticity
in our intestinal you know, we're all made up of twoubes, right,
you know, our nervous system or gut, these tubes, the
elasticity need to be really nice and strong. So it's
all about supporting that, you know, having things that are warming.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Think about it.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
When you're constipated, everything is backing up, yeah, right, And
when things back up, it also affects your neurotransmitters, right,
your feel good hormones, and your feel good hormones are
ninety percent of them serotonin are found in the gut.
So everything changes as a result. Mood, energy, energy, you know, elasticity.

(28:33):
It all boils down to pooping.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Okay, great, So autochokes.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
So artichokes, artichokes and fiber Okay, anything that's rich and
fible soluble and insoluble fibers, you know. Let so, fruits
and vegetables are rich and steaming them will help you
digest them better as well.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes, definitely, I've noticed that whenever my guts spin not
feeling great, the last thing I need is rule food.
Steaming your vegetables it's almost like cooking them a little
bit before you. Your stomach has to cook them and
digest them down. It just makes it so much easier
to digest. I've also had steaming your vegetables helps the
nutrients become more available.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
It does, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
And I often make a soup out of the vegetables,
so I keep like the broth, you know, or if
I'm steaming artichokes or anything that I'll drink the broth after.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Oh yeah, that's a good one. Is there anything you
drink or do you have anything that you have on
a daily basis that you're like, I have to have
this for my skin every single day.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
For you personally, oh gosh, honestly, my vitamin C. I
have to have vitamin C every day.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
But your vitamin C is the taste is vitamin C
I've ever had. It tastes like a little mocktail that
I'm having every morning. I know.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's why I created it because I kept checking my
vitamin C levels and I was so low, and every
patient I check is low because we don't make vitamin C.
My cute little dog, Dante, he makes vitamin C because
dogs make vitamin C, but we don't. And the more
a dreamally driven we are, because you and I are
very driven.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
And we're arenal fatigue, adrenal.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
What do we need? We need vitamin C for our adrenals.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Oh, you need vitamin C for your adrenals.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yes, ma'am. Vitamin C it is.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Oh, I didn't realize that, and so to support your
adrenal glands, you recommend. So vitamin C is the It's huge.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
A lot of people don't think of vitamin C as
an adrenal support, but it's huge. And it also for me,
it helps my skin collagen. It helps with wound healing.
So if I nick myself or get a scratch, that
heals much quicker when I have my vitamin C. So
I think the vitamin C is a really for me.

(30:39):
I can't every day is I have vitamin C on
a daily Okay, that's.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Really good to know. I love that you talk about
all these different faces. You have sugar face, wine face,
dairy face, and gluten face. Now, please, I love these.
Tell me what a sugar face looks like. Okay, so
it's not a sweet face either. Already it's not as

(31:03):
cute and sweet as.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
We like it to be. So it's like this kind
of think of sugar and sagging. Oh okay, So somebody's
skin is sagging. It's sort of sallow gray. And we
know that sugar causes like breakdown of collagen. So anyone
who has like pores in their skin, a high amount
of poor skin, that can be a sugar face basically.

(31:27):
And also acne, oh, widespread acne on the face because
sugar feeds those bad bacteria that then start to act up.
Remember the gremlins I do I show up on the face.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, Acne is gremlins on the face, isn't it. I
actually have given up sugar and it's been about a
month now, like fully taking process sugar out of my diet.
The only thing I have our fruits. I don't even
have dates and stuff as part of it. When I
tell you the difference it has made not just to
my skin, like I remember I was getting all those
little dots on the top of my head the perry,

(32:01):
what did you call it?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Dermatitis?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Dermatitis? I was getting tiny little dots on the top
of my forehead and then also getting them perial dermatitis
all the way around my mouth. All of that has
completely gone. And when I tell you, it was within
five days of me giving up sugar that the stuff
on my head went away. And it has not come
back since. And usually it was kind of cycling. I
kept getting it during my period. I would get it

(32:23):
or it would just randomly show up. And honestly, I
was I was at a point in my life where
I was eating more sugar than I ever had.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
I was.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I think I was quite stressed out my way to satisfy.
That is, like after every meeting, I'm like, oh, you
can have a little bit of sweet. I have a
little bite of me I deserve it. Yeah, it's just
a little bit after everything. That's fine. But what I
realized was I wasn't able to actually function without it.
That if I chose not to have it, it was
like a craving that I couldn't satisfy. And I really

(32:52):
don't like being in control of like, I like being
in control of myself. That's why I don't drink and
why I don't do other things. But one thing that
was controlling me was my sugar, and so I was
just like, I have to try. And honestly, day one
was the hardest after day one, because usually I would
fail on day one. After day one, I was like,
oh I could do day two, Oh I can do
day three. And it's pretty much been a month. But

(33:13):
the difference I can't see it, can you? It looks amazing,
the difference that it has made in my skin, but
also in my cravings, like I've increased the protein as
well since I've stopped eating sugar. But I never thought
I could be in a phase in my life where
I didn't crave something sweet. And I never understood when
people told I thought they were just like binging secretly.
When someone told me that they don't want dessert, I'd

(33:35):
be like, what do you mean you don't? How can
you resist? I didn't know how someone could resist, And
I just have to say that it is not something
that you miss when you take out. Now, I'm like, okay,
at one point I'll add it back in, maybe have
a bit here and there, but to be dependent on it,
I honestly felt like I was addicted to something in
a serious way. But the skin what a difference game changer? Yeah,

(34:01):
and I can see it. Yes, Well, it makes the
difference to the puffiness on my face as well, which
brings me on to wine face. So think about wine face.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
So wine and sugar, right, the same thing, but wine
is even more difficult because you have these You know,
wine triggers a lot of damage to the liver as
well and also to the neurological function of the body
in general. So it causes inflammation. So you'll see a
lot of redness on the skin. You see a lot
of that roseationa type skin. And also you see the

(34:34):
wrinkles right in the in the liver meridian on the
Chinese medicine map on the face. And so I would
see that in patients a lot that would indulge in
wine on a daily basis. So and if you do
it on an occasional basis, you'll even see it the
next day. I know, when I've had wine in the past,
I wake up the next day, I'm like, oh, I
have wine face, all right, you know, And it takes

(34:58):
a lot to get rid of the wine face, because
you've got to, like you know, you've got to do
appeal to restore the skin. It's an expensive habit. So
you know what you did in five days with sugar.
That's how quickly the body heals when you stop.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Eating these things.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
All right, So that's wine face. Tell us about dairy face.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Okay, dairy face. And I don't know if you remember
the days when you're eating dairy.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Whit, dude. That's why I'm so excited to hear this.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So the dairy, you know, for me, dairy is a devil.
It causes so much inflammation. So think it's as sinus basis.
They're so small, So when you have mucus forming foods
like dairy, they cause congestion and the sinus basis. So
what does that congestion look like on the face? Puffiness, ye,
darkness under the eyes. There's this little puff right in

(35:45):
the inner eye that you'll see quite often, and that
puff is like inflammation and that's coming from the dairy.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I have absolutely seen dairy face on many people and
I'm like, guys, come on, I'm telling you it's dairy.
Did you know that it was dairy yes, I did
because just mainly because what I found is, especially in
Asian culture. I don't know whether you've noticed this, but
South Asians, a lot of people are actually allergic to dairy. Yes,
that and also a lot of my black friends growing up,

(36:15):
they had a lot of dairy allergies in their families.
And so what I found was I noticed that a
lot of people would get eczema in Indian culture, South
Indian culture, and the main thing that we were eating
was so much dairy. And so I definite knew the
link between eczema and dairy. But it makes so much
sense with the puffiness and the congestion around here. I

(36:39):
definitely remember having that. I was way more mucacy when
I used to eat dairy. And actually I remember the
wine face. My friend in college he would always ten
bright red when he would have alcohol, bright red and
he was Asian, and I heard that they have they
sometimes can.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Have time and so yeah, they dehydrogenase.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, so you can know even if it was like, no,
I'm not drunk, I'm like, your face is literally bright
red right now, you've definitely had a drink. So that's
a very telling factor. The last one is gluten face,
or is I like to call it carb face?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Okay, I like that too.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
So the gluten phase, I mean, gluten is not in
all the carbs, right, so that's that's a thing. Goodness
for that. Otherwise you can't do it without carbs. Gluten
is really hard on the body. And I know when
we hear about gluten, we think about Siliac's disease, but
there are a lot of people roaming around that don't
have Siliac's disease. But the gluten is causing intestinal permeability.

(37:41):
And so when I look at the gluten face, it's
like the puffiness. It's like, you know, it's kind of
like yeast rising and bread, so you think about it.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yes, I have experienced that because my other vices after
sugar is pizza, okay, So I definitely know it's pizza face.
I know when I've had a whole pizza or like pasta,
something that's very gluteny and carby but has gluten in it,
the next morning, I'm like puff face, you know, I'm

(38:13):
like full on puff daddy going on. When I look
in the mirror, I'm like, how puffy could my face get?
And it's so true the puffiness under your eyes, your cheeks,
everything feels very swollen. But there's definitely a good definition
of gluten face. It's absolutely puffy. Thank you for breaking
those faces down. It's really good to know because I
think when you hear them in this, in this way

(38:35):
where it's relatable, you start to notice the things that
are actually causing issues in your body, and your skin
and your physical body are showing you the symptoms of
what's happening inside. We're just not used to listening or
seeing them. And so these little things, when you can
put them into fun ways like this, it's like, oh, okay,
today I can see that I'm actually reacting to wine

(38:55):
or sugar or dairy or gluten. And I would say,
as funny as it is, it's actually a really great
way to know what you need to start either removing
from your diet or reducing in your diet. And I
think it's really important because I know it's just with sugar.
I kept ignoring it. I kept ignoring. I was like, no,
it's not the sugar. I can't be let me just

(39:16):
eat another cake. It's fine, But it definitely was the sugar.
In all your years of doing this what's one thing
that you found as a resounding thing that people are
doing wrong when it comes to their skincare. Is there
anything that sticks out to you.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I think people are using too many products and I'm
seeing so many reactions, and so I think less is more,
and really the things that matter the most are going
to be, you know, getting a good night's sleep, you know,
making sure that you're sleeping your sleep hygiene is optimal.

(39:54):
And also like just using a few products, not using
like ten steps.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
You know, you don't need ten steps, and.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Just having it as a routine where you're using really
good products that are you know, tested by a doctor
somebody that understands skincare and understands like there's a holistic
part of this. It's not just slapping on stuff on
your skin. It's an inside job. So knowing that and
using really easy products to use that are like you know,

(40:24):
formulated and you know, understood in terms of their ingredients,
in terms of efficacy, I think that's important.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I think about my grandma who is over ninety now,
and less is more. Let me tell you, she has
used maybe one product on her face throughout her whole life.
I've given her some and now maybe she uses like
a little bit more like a fancier oil than she
used to, but nothing. She doesn't have a cleanser atona

(40:52):
of hyaluronic acid are like all these She's just been
simple with her skincare. She washes her face with water
and then she'll put on her oil and that's pretty
much it. And I just think, you know, you don't
have to get that simple. But for someone who's ninety
and looks like she is in incredible skin shape, I've
always looked at and I'm like, yeah, you know, what,

(41:12):
do I really need to go get that or do
I really need to be doing all these things? I
think you're so right, there's too many products out there.
So on that note, what would you say, what does
your morning skincare routine look like? Or what's an ideal
skincare routine for someone in the morning.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, So I created my own skincare because I wanted
the best, and so I use my cleanser number one
that is rich in zeolites and come from volcanic ash that.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Actually really cleaned the skin.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And I added some hyaluronic in there and glycolic to
really do some very gentle like cleaning of the skin,
just like you do the tongue scraping. You'd be shocked
how much dirt comes off the skin. So it's cleaning
your skin in the morning and in the evening with
my cleanser number one, and then I created a beautiful

(42:01):
serum that I use morning and evening, my serum number one,
and then a cream that i've will launch hopefully soon
I use on top of that. So I layered the
serum and the cream together and then I wear an
SPF and that's it.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, So that's we need a three to four step thing.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
And it takes seconds, and it's really about also massaging
the skin and moving that limph. So if you have
had dairy or gluten and you know, you can help it.
It was an amazing pizza, you know, do a good
facial massage, you know, and just sort of move that
lymph around, especially with your skin care.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
And that's what I what I do to like just
move the circulation.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Are you fond of any skin tools?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Like, oh, yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
The thing is is that, like how does a lymph
move in your body doesn't have a valve or like
you know, a blood like our blood circulatory system has
a pump, but the lymphatic doesn't. So guasha is really important.
Self massage is super important.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
It's really underrated. So to write yes, it really works,
really really well.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Well, I noticed it even more, you know, when I
come to get facials from you, when you're doing that
from my nasal passages all the way out, I'm like, gosh,
that's a bit painful. And it's because I have so
much build up of fluid that's between under my eyes
and my nose, and so I've started laying with all
my skin can now I just kind of massage out,
massage out, and I notice a significant difference in one

(43:30):
obviously my nasal area, but also in my skin's totness,
like how tight my skin feels. End I feeling so
much better when you end up massaging all that And
at the end of the day it's toxins that you're
massaging out of your face.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You are And also, like you know, your skin, as
you get older in your thirties and forties, you don't
turn over the cells anymore as much as you used to.
So using a really good cleanser that's going to really
clean the skin without stripping it.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
And what about a PM a nighttime routine.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I do the same thing the morning is in the evening.
The only one thing I add for the evening is
I've come out with a new vitamin C serum and
obviously it's not out yet, but it will be soon.
I use it as a nighttime treatment. Obviously I've been
using it because I have the samples. I'll have to
give you some. They're really good, and it really brightens
the skin. It like really gives a nice glow and

(44:21):
any sort of uneven skin tone or you know, we
live in California, so the sun is always even poppin'.
It's poppin' even though it's beautiful. But you know it
can cause for our skin because of Indian descent, it
can cause hyper pigmentation.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Okay, I have to ask all these products that say
like anti wrinkle or like antiging anti one, what qualifies
them to say anti wrinkle? And two? Are there really
products out there that can reduce wrinkles in the way
that they say they can? And if so, what are they?

(44:57):
I'm like, what is it?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
You know, it's a good question. And can anything really
get rid of your wrinkles? No?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Can you prevent them? Yes?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Part of why you get wrinkles, so think about it,
is your facial expressions.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Right, So part of it is if you're making that
same expression and you have a wrinkle that you don't like,
it's because you're making that expression.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
But that wrinkle is lovely.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
We also have to start looking as wrinkles like I've
earned that wrinkle, you know what I mean, I'm fifty
two now, I've earned that wrinkle, and it's fine, it's
not a bad thing. I think the key with looking
optimal and beautiful is having clear skin. You know, clear
beautiful skin, and the wrinkles are are fine, But if
you're really a wrinkle tied to wrinkles, then really, you know,

(45:45):
the more hydration you give your skin. Obviously, things like
hyaluronic acid, we've heard different molecular weights of hyaluronic acid
are important, small, medium, and large. Most companies only put
one molecular size in there. And then plant stem cells
that are beautiful and that they're in all my serums
because they're really really important at protecting the skin against

(46:06):
harsh environments. Because our skin is i mean, look at us,
We're exposed to the environment all the time, so it's
all about protecting, preserving, and hydrating.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, hydration makes so much sense to me. I notice
my skin just it's basically just shrivels up, doesn't it.
If you don't have enough hydration, your cells are not hydrated,
there's no plumpness in your cells, and then there's no
plumpness in your skin. And so I'm a big advocate
for letting your wrinkles be wrinkles, just because it's just
the great sign that you're aging and getting wiser. But
I do think that to have healthy skin means that

(46:39):
there is enough in I radio. We call it odjust
like there's enough vitality in your skin. And what does
vitality look like. It looks like vibrants and for your skin,
bounciness and vitality. When you see it's like that glow.
But what does that glow actually mean. It's not necessarily
from a highlighter. It's literally from in having enough hydration

(47:02):
that is pouring through your body so that each cell
is working at as optimal each cell is as hydrated
as it can be. And like you said, it's inside out,
but that's really what it is. It's creating a system
where you realize when I'm eating these things, they are
either feeding myselves in a positive way or they're depleting
my cells. And as we're growing older, we are actually

(47:23):
our cells are aging, and so how do we support
our aging cells in the best way possible. And I
think I noticed one or two days of hydration of
where I don't hydrate myself properly, not just my skin,
my energy levels, my tiredness, my focus, my attention. It's
like you're literally just starving yourselves from an essential nutrient

(47:46):
that it needs to function. And so I think that's
very important.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
It's so and you brought up such a good point,
like dehydration also makes you crave sugar.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Did you know that?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yes? Now I sip on my water all day all
I have to.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, So you know you're creating this because you're dehydrated,
actually because your insulin is not working optimally. So it's
all about making that insulin work as well and sensitize
that insulin and hydration is one of the most important things.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Tell me about facials, now there is about high facial
There are like all the facials that exist, Yes, are
they weekly?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (48:24):
We talked about morning. We talked about evening. Tell me
about a weekly thing that somebody should be doing. Should
people we get one doing masks weekly and two if
they're doing facials, what type of facial do you recommend?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
You know, it depends on your skin type, you know,
like if you have echnic skin, you'll have to do
more peels. If you have mature, dry skin, you'll have
to do peels less often, but you'll be wanting to
focus on hydrating your skin. So it really depends on
your skin type. I mean, for me, I like to
do my own facials that I do radio frequency. I

(49:01):
have a new machine coming out. It's called the time
Lift by Doctri Nigma. So it has this infusion of
nutrients that are going to clean the skin first, because
if you don't have a clean canvas, you can't put
the nutrients in. And then I put in these various
plant peptides, and then I always end with radio frequency,

(49:22):
and radiofrequency increases the collagen production and the treatment starts
to work even after your treatment is ended, like it
continues over the next three to six weeks. I don't
know if you've noticed, after you get a face treatment
with me, you get this like really nice defined jaw
and it stays for a bit and then we eat

(49:43):
sugar and then we sleep funny, and then our collagen.
You know, it's just about maintenance. And I think everybody
should have their own routine. And I don't think there's
like a must do And some people are luckier than others,
you know, they can get by without doing a lot.
But I think the like you said, the oja as

(50:05):
you said, right, so the ojus is that how you
say that, that's like the nectar, right, like the pure
clean you know, I read that in your book, and
I think that's the key to everything. Yes, And I
think that all you do on top is just going
to be additional on the top.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
On the top.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
The you said the frequency radio frequency, is that the
same as infrared because it's so much about infrared therapy.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, so that's a bit different.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
You can do led an infrared, you know, those are
really those are things you can actually do at home.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
What do they do? What the infrared?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Actually this NASA technology, So a lot of NASA astronauts
used it during when they were traveling to space to
prevent muscle atrophy. So what they also found is that
encourages college in production so you can actually use like
a nice LED mask or an l D unit, And
they're not that many that are FDA approved. So look

(51:05):
for the companies that are FDA approved because those are
the ones that are the safest and you know, ones
that you're going to get the best results from.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I love using LED. It's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I've seen it everywhere and always want I'm like, what
does it really do for me? But that makes sense?
Are you? And you said you mentioned use the same
products morning and evening. I'm asking these questions because I
get so many skin cloud questions and I think the
details are really important. Do you do skincare cycling? Like
do you change your products with the seasons or is
your skin changes or is it okay if something's working

(51:35):
for you to just keep using it.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I think that's a you know, I think it's really
you can try a different product from time to time,
but I feel like the skin gets irritated if you.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Switch too much.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
But if something's working for you, I sort of look
at that as I've used the same thing over and
over again, and I've tried other products.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
And I just change.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
If it's working, it's.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Working, if it's if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah right, collagen. We were just speaking about what are
good foods to eat to sustain and maintain the collagen
in our skin.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
So you know, we do have things that are plant
based that are helping with collagen production. Excuse me, I'm
gonna have some juny. So there are different ways.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
We know.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
The bone broth from chicken has been really helpful at
encouraging collagen. And also I use a collagen powder that
I've created that has natical collagen that has the most
studies and any other marine collagen, so it comes from fish,
and fish skins are really rich in collagen production into

(52:51):
the skin, so I think and also treatments like micro
needling improve collagen production and elasticity. But I think the
really heat it boils down when we look at all
these things collagen and should I take this and should
I take that? It's keeping that one cell that intestinal
lining as functional and as pampered as possible, you know,

(53:14):
and we can get things from cabbage that are rich
and glutamine that actually support that gut lining, because if
you have that gut lining supported, you're going to get
the nutrients coming in. And then you're not going to
have to take a collagen supplement because you're already supporting
the gut from within.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Thank you for that. I have some a few things
that I'm going to throw at you and tell me
whether they're fads or whether you really think they work. Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
So one of the things is seems okay. So I
don't know if you've tried it before, but I.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Have tried it. I've went through a phase of having
it every single morning.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I haven't seen any clinical efficacy.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I think it's a fad.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Okay, yeah, because I had when I started eating it, it
was because it said it was so rich in all
the vitamins and minerals and everything that your skin and
your body needs to just stay healthy. So I was like,
I'll get on that. Bought mine from Iwana, but was
taking like a spoonful of every day. I wouldn't say
that I did anything. I didn't. I didn't feel like
I had it long enough to see an effect, but

(54:17):
I also didn't feel a negative effects. I was like,
all right, let me just keep piling it on. But
get to know fad liquid chlorophyll.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yes, I would say it's there's a lot of benefits
to chlorophyll, and especially people who are sushi eaters. There's
a lot of mercury and fish, so the chlorophyll is
really important at binding to that.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Red light therapy. We spoke about absolutely one hundred percent
not a fad NAD Okay, Yeah, So there's na D
and there's any MAN and it's a it's a big
long story.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Any D anemen converts into NAD. It does work, it
does do your body good. But I think being a
sess properly because it's not cheap, you know, so if
you want to try it and you can afford to
try it, go ahead and try it. But we are
seeing I am doing evaluations with patients before giving them
an NAD dripper because of the fact that if you

(55:14):
do have cancer cells in your body, you should not
be taking NAD because it actually promotes those cells from
undergoing mitosis and replicating, so you can they're contraindicated in
people who have been diagnosed with cancer or who have
cancer and don't know you have cancer. So there are
some you know, there's some caution there, but I'm really

(55:37):
you know, looking forward to the future and more research
in using NMN and NADU So that's something that I
think that's you know, stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
That's so good to know because let me tell you
how many times I get talk with nad adverts on TikTok.
But also they're not telling people the other side of it,
so I think that's so important. Korean skincare. What is
it about Korean skincare that everyone's obsessed with?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
It's it's honestly, I I'm not gonna lie. I don't
know a lot about the ingredients and the Korean skincare,
but I think Korean people in general have incredible skin.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Skincare. Or is it them in the idiot like who
is it?

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Right?

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Like the chicken or the egg? Which one is it?
But I think, I really think that.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
They have looked at some ingredients that are different than
some of the ingredients we're using here, and I think
it's like we're all kind of doing the same thing,
but we always have fomol when it's in another country.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
So true. Yeah, It's like everyone here is so intrigued
about a vada, but when people are living in India, they're.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Like, what whatever?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Every day?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Great?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Exactly does botox? Is botox really for prevention? Because let
me tell you one of my friends, I tell me,
you know what, I'm getting botox because it's for prevention.
That's what I've been talking all the time. Is it
for prevention? Yes?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Is botox for prevention?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
So I'm going to say yes and no, and I'll
tell you why. I'll tell you why because if you
are remember we talked about the expression right. So if
you're constantly making this expression right, you're going to develop
these lines like my two lines. I try not to
make that expression because I don't want these elevens to
show up. And I don't like to do botox. I
do it maybe too every two to three years and

(57:22):
baby baby botox, but I more importantly try not to
make that frown.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
And so can it prevent it?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, because if you do botox, then you're going to
freeze this area, so you can't make that expression right.
So it trains you not to make the expression. So
in that way, yes, it does prevent. But does it
People who are overdoing it are starting to look funny,
They're starting to look older.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I didn't notice that in Hollywood. All live in LA.
I've never seen anyone with that botox in La.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
What oops? The cats out of the bag.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yes, So I think I think the botox is ken
be overdone, and I think it really ruins people's beautiful
natural expressions, like I can't tell if someone's mad at
me or if it's happy. Right, It's like and I
think a lot of you know, my patients are on TV,
they're acting. They have to be able to have their expressions,

(58:17):
so they're like, they're all about give me doctor Enigma
treatments all day long. The boatox is ruining my expression.
So I would say that, you know, it's a yes
and no you know answer, but don't listen the ladies
in your twenties and thirties, please take it easy on
that because you'll see a picture of yourself before the

(58:37):
boatox and after. And I promise you when you're my
age and your fifties, you're going to much prefer the
picture of the no botox.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah. See, you know what. I'm so happy, so like,
okay with everyone making their own decisions, of course, no judgment.
But I think my thing has always been, you know,
after living in la where to be honest and London,
I probably wouldn't have even heard about having botox, like
where where I grew up, you'd hear about it, but
it's not something you'd even think about getting done. Right
after moving to LA of course, like every other person

(59:06):
is talking about it. And I came to the conclusion
because my friend, my friend just had it done and
he was like, God, why would you not just get
done as preventative? And I was like, you know what.
The reason I wouldn't is because I know, at some
point in life I'm going to have to understand that
my body's aging. I would rather see my body aging
gradually and gracefully then get to a point where when

(59:27):
I stopped doing all the boatox and I get to
the age of seventeen eighty and I'm like, oh God,
am I seventeen eighty now? Like suddenly the ball drops
and you're like, oh, I'm actually getting old now, And
sometimes it's well, no, it would be so much harder
to deal with when you're that age and you haven't
seen yourself grow old naturally to then get hit by

(59:49):
it at a point where you're like, actually, no more
botox is going to help me to look twenty again,
because I am eighty. And so I think what really
stops me from getting botox or getting those type of
treatments is why do I want to have a midlife
crisis at the age of eighty instead of just enjoying
my life and like appreciating the years that are coming

(01:00:09):
and not worrying about like a line that's on my face.
And look, I'm on camera a lot, and there are
times I've seen, of course, from my twenties to now,
of course I've seen like, oh, like when I smile
in a picture, I do have lines around my eyes,
or oh wow, I do have little frown things that
have shown up, or you know that I've talked to
you about my malasma that's coming up. But I'm like,

(01:00:31):
how much am I going to focus on that rather
than like the happiness I'm feeling in that picture right,
or like the fact that I want to do this
job and I love sharing a lot of my life
and a part of me with people, and so I
think that's my thing. I'm like, I don't want to
have a crisis later in life. I'd rather have mini crisises.
As the years go on, every ten year increments, I'm like, Okay, cool,

(01:00:52):
I'm getting ten years older. This is what it looks like,
and I'm going to work through it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
I couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And I think women were so pushed into this, like
there's such a you know, for us, it's a lot
harder than it is for men. We have to, you know,
our hormones change, you know, we have to look good, work,
you know, at the same time, and be happy at
the same time when her hormones are raging. It's like
this expectation of what a woman should look like, and
I think that we need to step away from that

(01:01:20):
and we need to like live in our own skin
and really care less about all of those things, you know,
because beauty really comes from within, you know, you can
really see it in someone, and we need to get
back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
And I feel like more it's embraced. It's like the
more other people feel more comfortable doing it. And I
really appreciate And whether you've seen Kate Winslet recently going
onto podcasts and speaking about aging and how beautiful she
thinks is and then Pamela Anderson going out with like
no makeup and not doing any surgeries or anything to
her skin anymore, and I'm just like, you know what,

(01:01:54):
let's make ring Cole sexy again, okay, people? And it
does not mean when you start getting wrinkles on your
you're less attractive. And I think that is something that
women really fall into. Unfortunately, men have it easy. Everyone's
like it's silver Fox or like in that guy Richard
Gears getting better and better with age, Brad Pitt, What
a stud. But as soon as women start aging, it's like, oh, yeah,

(01:02:16):
that's a grandma over there. How has this happened? So
I actually think it is more on us as women
to show that, like these incredible women have done where
they're like, you know what, We're just gonna embrace it,
because what am I saying to the generation below? What
am I saying to my message?

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Are you giving that right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Exactly? And I think the more like when I saw
Pamela Anderson do that, I was like, she's on a
red carpet, no makeup, like beautiful skincare at Leicsia Keys.
All she does is skincare, And I'm like, you know what,
that has helped me and encouraged me to do the
same and not want to go into the fads and
the things that you know, I'm being encouraged to do.

(01:02:55):
And so if I can be that person for somebody else,
I'm like, you know what, I think I'd rather be
that and i'd rather rather share that message, but I do.
I also just want to say no judgment out there
before anybody who's got botox is like getting oh yeah,
no judgment. It's just walking through my mindset of it,
because naturally you do have to go through those battles

(01:03:15):
when you're living somewhere like this and make a decision
on which way you want to go. So, okay, great
botox somewhat preventative, but not really Okay, we've spoken about oils. Now,
I'm really interested to hear your thing because I la, well,
my skin I thought loved oils like I would lather

(01:03:35):
my face. I'd look like a glazed donor, like lathering
myself in as many oils as possible because my dry
skin really needed this, Like I felt like you needed
this thick nourishment, and oils was what I thought was working.
Why are oils like skin oil is not good for
us to use?

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Well, think of your skin like a raincoat, right, So
if you put oil on top of a raincoat, what's
going to happen? And the water it won't get in, right,
It's just going to sit on the top. And so
if you wear that raincoat out and you're walking around,
what's going to attached to that oil that exactly so

(01:04:15):
you're not you're basically blocking the channels in the skin
for anything to get through. And then you're also sending
a signal to the skin saying, hey, listen, you don't
need to make any more oil from the sebaceous glands.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
I've got you covered.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
And so the sebaceous glands start working in a wonky
way and then tie in the hormonal kick in and
the sebaceous glands go, well, wait, there's more hormone. I
need to start increasing the oil production to kick out
this dirt, and so you get this cyclical activity on
the skin that actually makes everything worse. So when you

(01:04:53):
take out oil from somebody, they're going to be very
mad at you. Initially they're going to say, my skin
is super dry now because you're used to that oil
on the raincoat.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
It's slippery, it moves nicely.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
And then once it gets used to it and you
start using things like holoronic acid, plant stem cells and
some really nice peptides that are like going to absorb
into the skin and give you that natural glow and
that support that you want from the oil. You won't
need the oil anymore, but you'll have to do an
oil skin fast. It'll take about two to three weeks

(01:05:27):
or maybe one. I call it a menstrual cycle, a
whole cycle for women that are cycling, and then they'll
get the benefits of it and they'll stop breaking out
because that oil is congesting the skin.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I have to say, you are absolutely right, because I
did stop. I stopped using thick oils on my skin,
and at first my skin felt dry and I felt
like I just had to keep trying to moisturize it. Yeah,
but now I wake up and my skin's not like
thirsty for oil to be put onto it. And so one,
obviously I increase the amount of water was drinking. But

(01:06:00):
now I actually have like I rarely use oils, maybe
just once in a while, say, like for the smell
of it and the feeling of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
It, but not your body, your body exactly. Skin is fine,
but the face skin is different.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Yeah, and I agree, I've had less breakouts since I've
stopped using oil. And yeah, the dept is so true.
You don't realize how much you're accumulating on your skin
because oil just attracts it, even when you get a
body massage and suddenly you're like, oh, I just feel
really if you keep it on for too long and
oil doesn't really and this it's a thin oil. What

(01:06:33):
I realized, it just sits. It doesn't actually absorb, so
it gives you this illusion of feeling like it's your
skin is lubricated, but actually it's not actually penetrating the
skin as well, so you're not actually getting hydrated when
you're putting oils on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
I'm so this makes me so happy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Now it does. I don't want to admit it, okay,
but I have to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I remember when I told you you looked at me,
like really, I saw these thoughts running through your brain.
You're like, I can't use my oils anymore. I love
my oils. But you know, it's it's only when you
do it. Initially it's tough, but then once it's kind
of like your sugar. You stop the sugar, you know,
when you stop these habits that you think are like
it was part of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Like the luxury of it too. You know, That's what
I realized. When you're using these like scented oils or
like these there's something about it that was part of
my self love routine. So now I do. I still
do my body massage with oils, but yeah, I've definitely
taken it off my face, So that makes sense. The
different type of the masks that people have. So the
sheet masks there are you know, the liquids that you

(01:07:33):
can put on the gel masks, prefer any of them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Or I love, I love.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I personally love the biocellulose sheet masks because my sheet mask.
What I love about it is the biocellulose. It pushes
the ingredients in.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
So you just put a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Regular sheet mask on, you lose a lot of those
ingredients because again, the skin is very it's hard for
things to penetrate in. You have to keep it on
for a bit and you have to have the right
technology to push it in. So I love those ones
with biocellulose. I like some clay masks that's very nice.
You know that you can put on too, like if

(01:08:09):
you're having a breakout.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
I was gonna say for acne, Yeah, pay masks. I'm
going to be amazing for acne because they just kind
of help to dry out all the seeberm all the
moisteness that it helps the bacteria grow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah, it's very detoxifying. So I do love those. I think,
you know, different strokes for different folks. I think that
you know, there's a lot of great things out there.
I mean there's a lot out there, but you know,
it's always good to like read the reviews, talk to
your friend, you know. And also, we have different skin types, so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Find out your skin type. I think that is a
key before anybody tries any kind of skincare because you'll
see something for oily skin, something for dry skin, something
for acne prone skin. But like, go somewhere and find
out what is your skin type, because I feel like
there are more types than people think there are.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
There are, and if you have very sensitive skin, you
have to make sure you're using less than three ingredients
in a product because otherwise you're going to react. Even
if it's the best product in the world, you know,
I won't give my serum to somebody that's super super
sensitive because there's so many actives in there. So just
because it's a good product doesn't mean it's a good
product for somebody that is super allergic or sensitive, because

(01:09:19):
it's going to make them worse.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Your top three worst ingredients that you've seen been put
into skincare like that people should really watch out for
with generic skin care products that they're buying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Okay, So, yes, this is a good question. There is
you know, pair bends of course, and you know estrogen
mimicking compounds. So when something is too high in soy,
sometimes it can be you know, estrogen mimicking. So I'll
see patient's blood results and they're you know, they're urine tests,

(01:09:53):
and I'll see higher estrogens and they're not taking estrogen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
So some of these can come from skincare. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
So there are some high sort of risks there, and
I think the colors and the binders and the fillers
and all of those kinds of things that have these
strong toxic effects on the skin and actually on the
liver if you take them, you know, in high amounts,

(01:10:20):
you know, if you're putting it all over your body.
So I think it's really important. There's so much though
out there about clean like what is clean? You know,
we've we've really hit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
That the labels be lying, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah, So I think I think there I think really,
you know, you have to be able to be discerning
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Last one, gloss skin. Is it possible? I know it's
more of a Korean skincare trend that we talked about.
Are there certain things that can create that glass skin look?

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
You know I kind of have the glass skin going there.
I have to say, so we need to know what
skincare you're using. I know it's your product, and then
what makeup you're using too, because.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Yeah, so you know I use Lived tinted deer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yeah, oh my god, the best. I'm wearing her gloss
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I'm worrying all of it. Yeah, so I do
love that makeup. I do think makeup that accentuates your features.
But I think, you know, really having a good skin
hygiene routine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
I know, you know, it is about that, Like you
have to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Clean your skin, especially after you wake up in the morning.
It's just like tongue scraping. You've got to do that.
You to clean your skin and using a really good
you know, serum on top and a moisturizer and sunscreen.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
I really don't think it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Not the faces. Yeah, I have to say, cleaning your
skin is actually really underrated because I used to maybe
cleanse like at night, but I wouldn't do it in
the morning, and then I would start doing after my workouts,
and I was like, oh my god, the amount of
stuff that comes out of my paws after I've done
a workout. It's like I've been out in the dust.
And so I think cleaning your skin. I've had way

(01:11:58):
less breakout since doing that. So cleansing almost once twice
or even sometimes three times if you're working out in
the morning, off your workout and then at night makes
such a difference. Do you exfoliate a lot or not?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Really well, the cleanser has exfoliating features inside it, so
I exfoliate gently every but a good peel, like a
really good peel. I'm using this TCA peel right now
and I've used it on you before, and it's incredible
at just like sort of overturning the skin cells and
giving fresh skin and you know, also encouraging elasticity and

(01:12:33):
collagen production. That's a really good habit to be and
go to your your naturopathic doctor or your esthetician, you know,
just go to somebody that really gets your skin and
can give you like a monthly treatment. I think if
you can add that, I think over the age of
thirty and forty. You can start doing that for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Self care, self care. I know I love good facial
as my self care. Okay, I have last few questions
for you, and this is going slightly in a different way,
but I love asking guess this at the end of
this show. Sure, this is now a show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
This is a.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
When was the last time you cried?

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Oh my gosh, when was the last time I cried?
I think it was last week? Was it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Are you a crier or does it take a lot
for you to get into tears?

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
I used to be when I was perimenopuzzle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
It really depends where my homanes are, depends where my
hormones are.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Yeah, I cried last week.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
My ex mother in law had passed away, so it really,
you know, brought back she was such a wonderful human being,
and so I think I had And it felt really
good to cry because it was almost like all this
other trauma was being released as well. So and I
remember thinking, gosh, you haven't cried in a while, So yeah,
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
It felt really good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
After I was a bit drained for the rest of
the day in the morning of but then I feel
like it rebooted me. So I think it's it's something
I'm going to try to do more often.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Yeah, what kind of crier are you? Are you like
a silent and dramatic or are you like a baller?

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Oh, that's a good one. I think I'm a silent cry,
just like the tears come.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, I feel like you'd be a cute cry for sure.
What emotion do you find difficult to handle in life
at the moment?

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
For me? Like what emotion can I not or from
someone else?

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
For you? Like, what emotion are you trying to work
through at the moment? Like what do you find hard
to feel within yourself? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
You know what's so interesting that you said that anger?
And I think I'm learning to release to be angry more, yes,
because I think we're taught to like not be angry.
And I think if you look at a lot of
hormonal problems in women, it's because they're holding in that
anger and that race of you know, there's like a

(01:15:01):
lot of you know, being a woman as it is
is like a health hazard, Like we have so much like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
You know, we have our hormones, we have you know, inequality.
You know, it's just it goes into a whole other podcast.
But I think being able to like authentically be angry
and let it out so that it's healthy for yourselves.
You're not keeping it in because there's a lot of
things we don't realize. You know, there's so much inequality.

(01:15:28):
There's you know, so much discrimination, you know with the
skin color, being a woman, you know, all of those
are against us. So I think that for me being
able to let that anger out and be present with
it and release it, I think that's been really good
for me. So I would say more I would be
gravitating towards it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, I think that's so true. I find I've been,
you know, through this podcast. I feel like I've learned
a lot about myself. And I think one thing that
I have seen that seems prevalent with everyone that sits
here is just the idea of wanting to go of emotions,
like right, we all just want to like process them
and let them out of our system, and some obviously

(01:16:10):
are harder than others. I think anger is is one
that's harder to let go of sometimes or like actually
express because we mask it in defensiveness or there's so
many different masks we can have for our emotions, and
so sometimes they will be will get so used to
them showing up and not realizing what the inner hurt
actually is, Like where is this reaction? What emotion is

(01:16:33):
actually stemming from? And so sometimes I say, Okay, I
look like I'm angry, but what am I really feeling? Like?
I sound like I'm angry, But what am I really feeling?
Is it disappointment? Is it her? Is it frustration?

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
What is this is? Anger is actually a secondary emotion.
It's never a primary emotion, right, And so like anger
can be a secondary response to fear. Okay, I'm angry
because I feel unsafe or I feel like somebody so
my life is unsafe, so I'm going to act aggressively
and feel angry. Or anger can come from sadness, but
I don't want to show my sadness, and so I'm

(01:17:07):
going to show up in an aggressive way because that
feels safer for me to show up at it. Right,
so many different things that I can root from, But
anger being a secondary emotion was really interesting for me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Okay, yeah, that's good to know. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Oh my god, thank you so much. This was so amazing.
I feel like we've got so much information out of it,
and I feel like I really ground you with so
many questions. But I hope that was useful for everyone,
And thank you so much for joining me. So nice
to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Thanks for having me, Bady

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