June 11, 2024 • 38 mins
The strange torched vehicle M.O. of Darren Seals’ murder bears a striking similarity to another that took place two years prior, DeAndre Joshua. And his brother names a suspect, their friend Perez Reed. When Reed is suddenly arrested for a murder spree across Missouri and Kansas, it sends our investigators on the trail of an alleged serial killer. Could Reed be the answer to both Joshua and Seals?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Previously one after the uprising.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yes, I'm at nineteen six forty Diamonds Jove when it's
a call on fire and my parking lot on the
fire department pulled up the fire.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Seals was found shot inside a burning car in Riverview
on Diamond Drive. Benjamin Granda is with the Saint Louis
County Police Department.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
I do know that there is a lot of sentiment
in the community that they want justice, they want the truth,
and we hope to give that to them.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
There wouldn't go nowhere, no random perfect that he don't know.
I believe whoever it was was closing him.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
He said, no, that's that's nothing wrong with that. But
you might want to you might want to pick your
enemies better.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Now, can I ask you if if the person's facing
charges on six murders, then what is the harm and
throwing the name out there?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I mean, it was a reed. That was our grade.
They used to shott all the time.
Speaker 7 (01:08):
What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand
jury deciding not to indict.
Speaker 8 (01:15):
Off Nigel Darren. Seals was murdered before his killer set
his car on fire.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Once they put out the flames, the discovered Seal's body
inside with a gunshot.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
You point a gun on me.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And I am I footing your other brothers furguson BD
grab you by my heart, slam me out the car.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
He says, you might want you might want to pick
your enemies better. This is after the Uprising season two,
the murder of Darren Seals.
Speaker 9 (01:57):
Authorities in Missouri say they may have a series killer.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
In custod eight there.
Speaker 8 (02:01):
Was a serial killer walking among.
Speaker 9 (02:03):
Us I suspected serial killer charged with murders in the
Saint Louis area. New chargers again suspected serial killer Perez Reid.
Speaker 10 (02:10):
The FBI has arrested a man suspected in multiple homicides
in Saint Louis City and County. Authority say twenty five
year old Perez Reed is now behind bars. Authorities say
he is believed to be responsible for six murders and
several shootings around Saint Louis and Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
If it was Perez Reid, do you have any reason
why he would have wanted to kill your brother?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That was our producer John Duffy asking Dante Joshua why
he suspects that Perez Reed is the person who killed
his twin brother DeAndre. We are asking Dante about this
because when his brother DeAndre was killed in twenty fourteen,
he was shot in the back of the head and
the car he was in was set on fire. Because
the method of execution was pretty much identical to the
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method used in the murder of Darren Seals, we thought
it was worth comparing notes on the cases. We were
surprised first that Dante had a name to give us
regarding who he thought had killed his brother, and we
were even more surprised when that name was Perez Reid,
who was twenty five years old when he was arrested
in late twenty twenty one on the suspicion that he'd
committed six murders, with another murder added to that list
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the following year. Dante explained to us that he and
his brother had been good friends with Perez.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
This is Prrizos.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Like Perez. We knew him personally. We used to be
with him every day.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So like when he get attitudes, he used to turn
to somebody he you would not think he was when
he got mad. Prior to that, he beat another one
of our friends. He lost his money in the Dyke's game,
and he beat him with a skilley in his house,
locked him in his house and beat him with a skilley.
Speaker 11 (03:45):
Once he lost him.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So I know the type of things he did, like
like how mad he can get. I don't watch them
gamble with each other, and to the point where there
was gambling each other close off they back. I don't
know when nobody would try to kill but I do
know that there had shot nice with them earlier that
day and everybody in an apartments lost their money could him,
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So there could have been a reason.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
And say you did you always suspect him, Oh, my.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Cousin did, but I thought it was like I friends,
I'm like, he wouldn't do that. There after he started
getting accused for he started shitting herself to the fike
Wards tried to kill his cousin.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
So I was just putting to the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And now that he killed their sixteen year old on Glenoy's,
he killed Diazo on glen Oy's.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
The sixteen year old that Dante mentioned who was killed
in the same location as his brother DeAndre, was Marne Haynes.
She's referred to here in this news report.
Speaker 10 (04:41):
The youngest victim, sixteen year old Marnee Haynes.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
She was so bubbly.
Speaker 12 (04:45):
Every day she would like to arrive.
Speaker 13 (04:47):
She would like to listen to music all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Every single day she would smiled. The day before he
allegedly shot and killed Marnee Haynes, Perez allegedly shot a
man who was waiting for a bus on Chambers Road
in Saint Louis County. That man survived but is now
permanently disabled. Four days after shooting the unnamed man at
the bus stop, Perez allegedly shot an unnamed woman in
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the face on West Florisan Avenue in Saint Louis. She
was able to make it to a nearby gas station
to ask for help, and she survived. Only One hour
later and a half mile away, at eleven forty five pm,
Perez allegedly shot Pamela Abercrombie in the head. Police found
her bleeding out in the street, and she died of
her wound at the hospital.
Speaker 9 (05:32):
A memorial for pam Abercrombie on West Florescain chose the
passage of time weeks since of hours went up here
at the same spot where she was shot on September sixteenth.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
On September nineteenth, three days after the shooting of Pamela Abercrombie.
The body of Kerry Ross was found in a vacant lot.
Gunshots had been reported in the area the night before,
but officers responding didn't find the victim at the time.
The forty caliber shells found at the scene matched those
found at the scenes of.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
The previous victim.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
One week later, Ferguson police found the body of Lester Robinson.
He had been fatally shot in the head. After this spree,
Paris seems to have quieted down for a month. At
the end of October, he took an Amtrak train from
Saint Louis to Kansas City, Kansas. Based on communications, police
later found Perez was going to Kansas City ostensibly to
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meet a woman named Radaja Denaia Farrow to buy drugs
from her. She lived in a high rise building, and
it was in that building where Perez allegedly killed his
three final victims. Radaja herself was one of them, along
with neighbors Damon Washington Irvin and Stephen Johnson.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Are you gonna let her know.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
That we're here?
Speaker 9 (06:53):
Okay?
Speaker 14 (06:53):
Thank you, Sarah, I'm good. Are you a Sherry now,
Miss Sherry?
Speaker 12 (07:01):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Mob to better understand who Perez was. We went to
his aunt's house. She had been his legal guardian.
Speaker 11 (07:10):
My name is.
Speaker 14 (07:10):
Maria, and this is Ray and where are you, miss Sherry?
I'm miss Sherry. We are coming calming to your house
unannounced that we wanted to introduce ourselves. My name is
Maria and this is Ray. And Ray's doing some background
information about Pearaz and he wanted to ask you a
couple of questions, if that's possible, yeah, comment, okay, so
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everything makes in the paper. We just stick to what's
in the.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Paper, what they say. Okay, we didn't comment to that. Okay,
thank you. Were you able to tell us where he
was living around twenty fourteen?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Do you know?
Speaker 15 (07:49):
I have no idea.
Speaker 8 (07:52):
I don't know what else we should try to talk talk.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
To to just don't anybody else.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 12 (08:00):
Cherry.
Speaker 16 (08:00):
Having a day.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Since his aunt was unwilling to speak with us, we
went to Sam's Meat Market, a small business in Ferguson
where we heard Perez previously worked. It was a long shot,
but we figured it was worth checking into.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Hello is the.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Owner here or you the owner?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Oh?
Speaker 14 (08:27):
Is there anybody who has worked here since twenty thirteen.
Have you so there's not a person who's been working
here since twenty thirteen?
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Oh no, I don't think The.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Man working up front was unable to help us. So
we went to the kitchen at the back of the
building where a couple of men were cleaning up.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Can I ask how long have you been working here? Yeah?
I've been.
Speaker 12 (09:00):
Three years?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Almost were you over here?
Speaker 12 (09:02):
When a guy named.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Perez Read would move Paraz Read, he would come in.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
He was arrested late last year like multiple murders and.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Said he worked here at one point, still a whole
podcast who talk.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
About he.
Speaker 12 (09:21):
Didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It turns out one of the employees who was working
did remember Paris.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
They always.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You remember him yourself.
Speaker 14 (09:32):
So he just set like a science hustle aside.
Speaker 16 (09:35):
He was just kind of come over and sing on
the trade's sweet, moved to possible. I'm really probably.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Would man after and so yeah, sorry, one more thing,
just then leave you alone. But the the if we
wanted to try to get to know more.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
About him and who he was and what he was
all about, is there anybody we could try to talk to,
anyone he hung out with.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Talk to who, As luck would have it, the employee
told us that if we wanted to talk directly to
Perez his cousin Caden, we could because he was standing
right outside.
Speaker 8 (10:10):
Yeah, we're just trying to better understand what happened there.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Really, we're just kind of trying to get to know
people who knew him and try to figure out what
but like why he went off in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
One, Right, he had only a psychiatrist. He knows how
to deal with that psycond life.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
The second man you're hearing was standing outside the market
with Caden. He told us he also knew Perez.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
I like, how would you describe it?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
He just had like a temper and sometimes he just
become another gun.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
You were annoy a lot. Pared He thought everybody was aftable.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Because looking at and following the shit.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, he held it together for all those years and
then all of a sudden in twenty twenty one, he
goes on that screen.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
He's Freddy, and I could tell you only a psychiatrist
can I deal with that?
Speaker 8 (11:00):
No, he was key then he'd come here mostly to
hang out or mostly at work. No, he was just
sweeping the letter.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Remember some of his friends.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
What else would we talk to?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
You really have many friend.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Kiten said, Perez didn't have many friends, but he did
have a lawyer, so we called him to see if
maybe we could have ranged to speak with Piros himself.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I'm trying to reach David Bruns. Yeah, hey David, I'm
a reporter and a podcaster, and I guess I wanted
to get in touch to see if we might make
a request of Perez for an interview.
Speaker 17 (11:35):
Wait, wait, wait, what's this.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
My name's Ray Novoshlski.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I do a podcast called After the Uprising, and there
are elements that seem to connect with.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
A story of Perez read.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
So I was just calling to see if a I
might request an interview with him if he were inclined.
I know there are things he can't say, but there
might be things he wants.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
To say right now that No, I'm not going to
into any comment.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
I'm Pere.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Are you still representing him? I absolutely am. Okay, would
he consider an interview or could such a request be passed?
Speaker 14 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Okay, well that's pretty clear, thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Perez's attorney was not interested in commenting, and he was
absolutely not willing to pass on our request for an
interview with his client, as fate would have it. There
were some people who knew Perez who were willing to
talk about him, and I just happened to meet them
in a ride share.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
My mom helped all the time. Him and my brother
is actually close free. He was handfling, he was in school,
he was doing everything. Then he's playing football with my
brother and everything. He never gave off a serious killer
type of vib never like when my mam was seen
an article, she was just like, I know, that's not Paris.
Speaker 16 (13:04):
They used to be over here, like this man used
to be in the house with us.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
What did he do?
Speaker 17 (13:08):
He was a serial killum.
Speaker 16 (13:09):
Nobody expected than to be the outcome. I honestly think
Pariz got hold of some type of drugs that they
missed up his mind. Because I was always into a cluse.
My brothers was always his big bro. So I'm not understanding.
Speaker 12 (13:24):
He was a cool dude.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
How old is I can?
Speaker 16 (13:27):
He said the Paris is about twenty seventy after they
got out of school. We didn't hear from Paris after
the I don't know when.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
I do believe he experienced much.
Speaker 16 (13:37):
A dramatic in his life, which paul him to live
off his humanity. He can't after her half like a
name alone.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
That was I never had the same.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Phone more after the break.
Speaker 8 (13:55):
Now back to the show, and so what have you
since learned took place?
Speaker 11 (14:01):
It's not much, Stays told me as far as what
the police have said. I'm a true crime like type
of guy. Like so I'm like heavy into podcasts, so
like I just kind of put my mind into that place,
like almost become my own loaded detective, you know, And
then you find out about all the murders to go
on to Saint Louis, and then you find out all
what happened right across the water the next day. I
believe it was he had kept another guy in Kansas City,
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Missouri and did him the exact same way that he
did my brother. Back of the head, stuffed in the closet, mattress, sober.
So it's like, oh, so this is your moo, this
is what you do.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I'm speaking with Delano Hill. His brother Damon Irvin, was
killed allegedly by peiz Read on October twenty eighth, twenty
twenty one. I'm sorry for your loss, and I appreciate
you talking with us problem many Maybe we.
Speaker 8 (14:47):
Could just start with can you tell us a little
about Damon.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
There's only two of us, me and him, So I
hate to come with the same on cliche, very smart,
so on and so forth. But I mean he was
like in a society. I think it was something like that,
classical artists. As far as piano, they played Beethoven, chopin.
I think he said one of the guy's name was
like Then he went off to Ku for a couple
of years. He had went back home to guy as
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associates at Casey K, but he went back to Ku.
That's where he was studying when he passed. I mean
not saying he's quiet boy, because like I said, he
later in life he was into different things, but never
really a street element.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
He never was a street guy.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I asked Elano how he first heard that his brother
had been killed.
Speaker 11 (15:30):
My mother she had called me on Friday, you know
that she hadn't heard from him, and actually if I
would reach out to him, So I called and called
and called. At first he was ringing. THENNIS start going
straight to boy smail. Friday evening she called, you know,
she was like, Hey, we're just gonna we're gonna go
up there.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Saturday.
Speaker 11 (15:49):
They went up there, the police Wood and let him,
and they said they had to wait until Monday. Monday morning,
when my mother called, she was already crumbing.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (16:03):
So I woke up Monday morning planning on the celebrating
my son's birthday.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
It was his.
Speaker 11 (16:09):
Second birthday, and they called it told me that my
brother they thought my brother, well, they found somebody in
his apartment.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
And I knew my brother wasn't a killer, so I
already knew it was him.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
How long after that did you learn that they'd arrested
read it was a surprise.
Speaker 11 (16:28):
So whenever it was published on the news is when
I found out about that guy.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I wanted to know if Delano had any inkling as
to how his brother came into contact with PEOs.
Speaker 11 (16:38):
The police are very hesitant to give us some information.
They said the guy and the young lady that passed
the next day, they had over like six hundred communications,
but they never said that him and my brother had
any communication. But knowing my brother, my brother was a
very inviting person. I can't say what was behind. I
don't know if it was possible drugs. If it was possible,
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we just hey wanting to get to know you. My
brother was a part of UH the lgbt LA Plus
Believe said, I don't want to disrespect the galbody any means.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
So I don't know.
Speaker 11 (17:13):
I don't know what the play was. On Wednesday night,
he called me and was like, brother, I need you
to save me. And he had been doing it for
a few weeks now, but he had just felt something
bad was coming. I'm big on being a man, or
what my idea of a man, and I'm yelling this
to him, like dang it, just gotta And it's not
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like I'm yelling down at him. It's I'm yelling him
picking him up.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Gotta be a man. You can't call me crying, and
so on and so forth.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
And later on that night he called me and we
kind of had like a common down period, but he's like, man,
but I still want to come down there with you.
You know, the detectives told me Thursday morning.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
Do you think it was a premonition or do you
think you literally knew he.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Was in trouble.
Speaker 12 (18:21):
We need to understand that I'm just going on what
I remember because I don't have any facts on anything
or numbers that I have written down over the years.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
This is Paul Jones, a former teacher who then spent
the bulk of his career as a detention supervisor at
the Juvenile Detention Center in Saint Louis County. He also
happened to be my neighbor and my friend.
Speaker 15 (18:46):
You worked at the Saint Louis County Juvenile Justice Center.
Speaker 12 (18:51):
Correct, Yes, Saint Louis County Juvenile Detention Center.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Okay, how many years did you work there?
Speaker 12 (18:59):
From nineteen eighty one? I believe, oh, either eighty or
eighty one to twenty twenty. I worked with BC three
children my first twenty years there. BC three kids are
considered ring leaders on the street. They call the shots
and other kids would practically do anything to be accepted
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by this person.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
In his time working at the juvenile detention center, mister
Jones saw a lot that disturbed him, including that the
police would try to groom children to become informants.
Speaker 12 (19:38):
Well, that happens all the time. If they can get
the kid to talk and tell them who's on the
street doing this and doing that, they would pick the
child up and say something dumb to him in front
of his friends, like, Hey, didn you give me some
information on so and so, so and so in front
of the friends and now all the friends are looking
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at it.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
You snitched on us, Oh man, I we done with you.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And it would also make him a target on the streets.
Speaker 12 (20:07):
Yes, he would be, because if he'd been told I'm
the wrong person, he.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Can come up miss it.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Mister Jones has a great memory regarding the specific kids
who came through the juvenile detention center, including her. As
read which.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Group was part of.
Speaker 12 (20:28):
If my memory is correct, I want to say he was.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
He was not in the BC three.
Speaker 12 (20:35):
He was with the group of gods that could read
or write, that knew how to manipulate the system. He
knew what buttons to push, He knew how to get
other people to do his bidding for him. His particular group,
we used to call them white collar. Cry White collar
is where he or she can get someone that's a
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little slow or whatever and go and do all bill
the handiwork for them.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Where this gets personal for me is that a young
man who had been held in the juvenile detention center
as a child, Jalen Jefferson, many years later, shot and
killed my own cousin. Her name was Isis Mar and
she was only nineteen years old when she was murdered
in twenty twenty one. Two years before that, Jalen killed
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a boy named Curtis Marshall. And before that, back in
twenty thirteen, according to mister Jones, Jalen also happened to
have killed someone close to Perez Reid, allegedly his brother.
Astonishingly and tragically, Jalen would have been only nine years
old when he committed his first alleged act of violence.
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As he was a miner. His criminal record from that
time is sealed, but he was sent into the juvenile
detention center under mister Jones's watch.
Speaker 15 (22:02):
He said that there was an incident between Jalen and
Perez at some point.
Speaker 13 (22:10):
In the detention center.
Speaker 12 (22:11):
As long as I was there, I would always say
there were certain kids could never have the room of
the building, and mister Perez was one of those guys,
because I knew for a fact that if he ever
got the opportunity, he was going to physically assault missus Jefferson.
Like I said, Paras was in unity white collar crime,
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so he knew how to play the game. And so
this particular evening I was not working and one of
the social workers picked him to distribute snacks for the
evening and once he was passing out the snacks and
he was going to the different units to pass it off.
Once he got to Unit A and he saw mister Jefferson,
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Missus Jefferson tried to avoid him, but he put the
snacks down and ran straight to Missus Jefferson and assaulted him.
And Jefferson, without a gun was not a fighter. He
could not really defend himself.
Speaker 18 (23:12):
And Jalen was in that time. So the time that
he got attacked, he was in for the murder of
Perez's brother, That's what he was. Yes, so Jalen ends
up inside. Perez gets inside for I don't know what
brought him into the building. I don't remember what brought
him in the building, but Jalen was in the building.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
First.
Speaker 13 (23:32):
You talked about how he gained the system to specifically
get himself closer to Jalen so he could attack him.
That makes me wonder if he got into Juvie in
the first place because his brother had been killed and
he wanted to get.
Speaker 19 (23:44):
In so that he could get to the guys crazy.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Is is some truth to that?
Speaker 8 (23:52):
It could be possible.
Speaker 12 (23:53):
Yeah, quite possible, because like I said, over the years,
sitting back and just observing.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
And listening to some of the stories.
Speaker 12 (24:03):
Some of the keys didn't do things purposely so that
they could get back into the juvenile system. He didn't
receive him an additional charge for the assault because there's
always fights within the building, and he got out maybe
a week or two EFA. So he really, I mean,
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I would say he planned all this.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
You mostly recall him because of that incident, Yes, gotcha.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
So do you know how long he.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Maybe had been in before that?
Speaker 12 (24:35):
No, And I know he had been through the building.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
But it surprised you to know that Perez committed arson
on his own family's home.
Speaker 13 (24:47):
No, they wouldn't sur No.
Speaker 12 (24:49):
I've seen a lot of those.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Darren Seals was killed in the early morning hours of
September sixth, twenty sixteen, almost exactly one month before. On
August second, Perez Reed tried to set a house on
fire while several people were still inside. Those people were
all Perez's family members.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
A substructed serial killer charged with murders in the Saint
Louis area was accused of arson five years ago, but
despite facing prosecution, the case against Perez Reid was dropped.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
All signs of a fire that happened here five years
ago are gone. The sighting is new, so was the
garage door. It was a different story in August of
twenty sixteen when Ferguson police say Perez Reed set this
attached garage on fire, even though four members of his
family were inside the home. A police report says Reed's
father and cousin and grandmother were huddled together and visibly
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shaking when officers arrived, and that they were willing to
prosecute the twenty year old.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Fortunately, everyone inside the home was okay, and only the
garage seems to have suffered major damage. At the time,
Bob McCullough was the prosecuting attorney for Saint Louis County,
and he charged Perez Reaied with first degree arson, which
is a felony punishable by anywhere from five to fifteen
years in prison. But in twenty nineteen those charges were
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dropped for failure to prosecute. The prosecuting attorney overseeing the
case by that time was Wesley Bell. This is what
mister Bell said at a press conference regarding that failure
to prosecute.
Speaker 11 (26:19):
From my knowledge, that was witnesses who were not willing
to testify, family members who were not willing to cooperate.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
His is not surprising.
Speaker 12 (26:27):
He has been fortunate enough that somebody always have done
his paperwork wrong that he always wind up back out
on the street to do more damage.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Perez was out on the streets again after his assault
on Jalen Jefferson in time to possibly have killed DeAndre
Joshua In twenty fourteen, two years later, after setting fire
to his grandmother's property, he was let out on a
failure to prosecute. Jalen was also released, which is how
he was able to kill Curtis Marshall, a crime for
which there was also a failure to prosecut which left
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him free to kill Maria's cousin Isis, as the primary
witness in her case, was also murdered. Jalen and his
co defendant have again been released onto the streets of
Saint Louis. We asked mister Jones what he thought needed
to be reformed to make it so that fewer children
ended up like Jalen Jefferson or Peariz.
Speaker 12 (27:19):
Read well to be truthful. Well, for the first question,
what would I like to see the same thing that
deterred me from going to Juno, Because there's a lot
of single women trying to raise little boys. And once
a little boy gets strong enough, he is not listening.
Speaker 19 (27:42):
Cool mom, Grandma, uh great eye. Well, little boy always
need a male somewhere in his life. Is just to
keep him in lying without the male influence his life.
And I would always tell the kids in the building,
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this is why White America is building all these prisons.
They are afraid of you.
Speaker 12 (28:09):
And since you out here acting like an animal, most
animals they put down or they put them in a cage.
And that's where you guys are hit it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
In July twenty twenty three, mister Paul Jones passed away.
He was my friend, he was my confidante. He was
a lovely, god feary man and I will miss him
more after the break.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
Now back to the show.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I understand that DeAndre Joshua was not an activist in
the same sense and was not in the same.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Category as Darren Seals.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
We took a shot.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
We gave a call to his family members and some
people in his orbit. And do you know about this
guy Perez Red that was arrested last year?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
I heard about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard about him.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, I'm talking to Tef Poe If you listen to
season one of our show, you'll remember that he's a
native of Saint Louis, a rapper and an activist. As
someone who knew Darren Seals personally, we thought it was
important to get TEF's perspective on his killing and to
share with him the question of whether or not it
made any sense to try to connect Perez Read to
Darren's death. So we thought this was a good trail
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at we look at his further record. Twenty sixteen, he
tries to light a house on fire right near the
Canfield apartments, so when Wesley Bell comes in, he tries
to prosecute him. In twenty nineteen, Wesley Bell has a
failure to prosecute and sees the guy get out on
that charge in twenty nineteen, and I'm wondering why this
guy is so fintouchical.
Speaker 17 (29:49):
I'm gonna tell you why, man, because he's from from
what I hear, from what you described it, the.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Motherfucker is a shoulder. The motherfucker is a killer.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
So just no one's going to talk about him.
Speaker 17 (29:58):
Man, They don't want to deal with If he's like that,
then and he comes from a small gang, then those
small gangs are usually the most violent wants those small gangs.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Everybody in a small gang is pretty much a shooter.
It sounds like to me, he's just from a shooter gang,
and people don't want to deal.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
With From Juvian, he was starting fires Arson and they
had thought that he was a sociopath at that time.
In twenty fourteen, he's he's living adjacent to the Canfield
Departments and he's playing dice game on the regular with
DeAndre Joshua.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
And on the day of the non indictment.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
That late that night or early the next morning is
of course when DeAndre was shot through the window of
his car and it was attempted to be lit on
fire but unsuccessfully, right off the Canfield apartments. He had
just taken a ton of money from Perez on a
dice game. So DeAndre gets shot through a car, attempted
the light on fire. Darren's found in a car lit
on fire. We had this like whole like you know,
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theory that like maybe this is all essentially this Perez read.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you never fucking know, But
I don't I don't really think so.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Tef wasn't really buying the potential pairs read connection to
Darren's murder, which was fair enough.
Speaker 17 (31:06):
The general opinion about what happened to Seals is dead,
he crossed. And this is where where she gets really confusing,
because the activist community believes one thing, and then the
streets believe another.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
And honestly, the streets pretty much absolved the fucking murder.
Speaker 17 (31:22):
But uh, nobody really listens to like those voices could
there like, well, where's your evidence? The evidence is pretty
much in the in the for us in the admitted,
the admittance from it of.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
The people who are in the community kind of you know,
soft finessing that they know what happened and this is
how it happened, you know. But and that story is
what basically man, I mean, he was in the streets before. Man,
he was dealing with this dude named Jay Bird. Bird
is locked up. Sills is supposed to be taking care
of some ship for his family. It didn't go. It
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didn't go as it was supposed to go. Two weeks
before he.
Speaker 17 (31:58):
Died, he kind of start of shifting and hanging out
out with some cats that none of us really trusted, and.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
They lined them up. Man, That's pretty much it.
Speaker 17 (32:05):
And then you know the dude, one of the guys
that was responsible for the lineup I think two thousand
and twenty. He was gunned down in his front yard
of his mother's home, pretty much his retaliation.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
For the situation with Seals.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
Are you able to give that name since the guy's gone.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I used to know it, but I fucking forgot it.
It's a rapper man, he's in videos with him and everything.
Speaker 17 (32:31):
And then even honestly, if you know Sials, you kind of.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Know it wasn't no fucking conspiracy. I just knew that
dude well enough to note when they.
Speaker 17 (32:37):
Told me the story hot spelled out, I didn't get
a hint of foul playing that personally. I knew him
to be a person who would drop his girl off
at the crib, say I'm going to fuck with some
movement people.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Your girl don't know what that means.
Speaker 17 (32:50):
Two o'clock in the morning, and you're fucking popping the
internet activists at this point, knowing in the streets, known
in the.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Community, Hey, all right, shit, you've been out three o'clock
in the morning dealing with others this whole time, so.
Speaker 17 (33:01):
Maybe that's valid. You fucking dropped her off, which I've
seen him do his countless times because I've been within
him when he did shit like this, And his main
problem was he liked the ladies. Man, so he pulled
up on a girl. The girl was in on the shit.
They set his ass up like for like this. We
used to have this thing called principles and values, so
you know where we'll be like, we'll spell it out,
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you know, for each other. So it's like, if I
get caught doing this, yeah it's a chance I did that.
If I get caught doing this, you know, damn well,
I'm not even into that. So it spells out issue
that he was into it doesn't like for his actual
associates and friends. It's not a man.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
What the fuck was he doing over there? And how
did that man? The dude got shot up? Before he
was even in the movement.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Teff seems to have bits and pieces of a story.
A guy named Jaybird who was in jail, strange new
people in Darren's life that Teff didn't trust, a nameless
rapper gunned down in his mother's yard, and a woman
who was maybe used as bait. Were all of these
elements actually at play in Darren's death or any of them.
I asked Tef if he knew specifically how Darren was
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lured to the location where he was killed.
Speaker 17 (34:09):
I never heard that part of the logic of how
they got him out of the house it was music
related people who killed him.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I know that if Tef was convinced it was people
in the rap game that had killed Darren, we were
curious what the motive would have been.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
You know, Sis was a good dude. At the same
time he was he was quick to make enemies, man,
you know what I'm.
Speaker 17 (34:28):
Saying, Like even the first day I met the dude,
he was like going in my throat and everybody was like, yo, dude,
we don't even know how Polgan responded this shit. Introduced
yourself to the dude first, you know.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
What I'm saying. I chopped it up with him. It
wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 17 (34:41):
But at the same time, there are the other people
who know who aren't going to meet that energy, hid
on out of fear, out of whatever anxieties they may have.
I just feel like in his personal entanglements, we just
don't know the depths of those, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (34:55):
But I know he was in the.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Streets, and he wasn't. He wasn't faking the streets. You
know what I'm saying. The motherfucker's nickname was d Boy.
Don't boy.
Speaker 17 (35:02):
I mean, come on, man, he was a fucking drug dealer.
That shit don't leave you just because you went outside
and started. You know, critique in black lives matter as
seeing it. You know, you still got a life that
has a tab on it from your past endeavors, you.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
As well connected as Tef po is to the various
communities and subcultures involved, it's hard not to take his
opinion seriously. Despite the similarities and how both DeAndre Joshua
and Darren Seals died, it doesn't necessarily mean the two
killings are connected, and for what it's worth, we don't
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actually know for certain who killed DeAndre, even though his
brother Dante believes Perez Read was responsible at this point,
that is only speculation. For his part, Tef Poe believes
that someone or a group of someone's that Darren was
connected to in the world of music were the people
behind his murder, and he believes it's possible that one
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of them has already been killed as an act of retribution,
though he says he doesn't remember specific names, So who
are these people? Who could they be? That's next time
on After the Uprising.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
After the Uprising is a production of Double Asterisk and
iHeart Podcasts in association with True Stories. Season two was written, reported,
and produced by Maria Chappelle, Nadal, John Duffy, Mallory Kenoi,
and Reino Vashewski. Executive producers are Nikki Atore and Lindsay
Hoffman for iHeart Podcasts, John Duffy and Reinovaschewski for Double Asterisk,
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John Duffy and Renovashlsky. Theme song and score by Zachary Walter.
Sound engineering and mixed by John Autry.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
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Speaker 4 (37:02):
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Airtime Studios in Bloomington, Indiana. We want to acknowledge additional
investigation that became part of this podcast was conducted by
Detective Adams in the Saint Louis County Police and the FBI,
who did not participate in this podcast, and by a
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Previously one after the uprising.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yes, I'm at nineteen six forty Diamonds Jove when it's
a call on fire and my parking lot on the
fire department pulled up the fire.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Seals was found shot inside a burning car in Riverview
on Diamond Drive. Benjamin Granda is with the Saint Louis
County Police Department.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
I do know that there is a lot of sentiment
in the community that they want justice, they want the truth,
and we hope to give that to them.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
There wouldn't go nowhere, no random perfect that he don't know.
I believe whoever it was was closing him.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
He said, no, that's that's nothing wrong with that. But
you might want to you might want to pick your
enemies better.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Now, can I ask you if if the person's facing
charges on six murders, then what is the harm and
throwing the name out there?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I mean, it was a reed. That was our grade.
They used to shott all the time.
Speaker 7 (01:08):
What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand
jury deciding not to indict.
Speaker 8 (01:15):
Off Nigel Darren. Seals was murdered before his killer set
his car on fire.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Once they put out the flames, the discovered Seal's body
inside with a gunshot.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
You point a gun on me.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And I am I footing your other brothers furguson BD
grab you by my heart, slam me out the car.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
He says, you might want you might want to pick
your enemies better. This is after the Uprising season two,
the murder of Darren Seals.
Speaker 9 (01:57):
Authorities in Missouri say they may have a series killer.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
In custod eight there.
Speaker 8 (02:01):
Was a serial killer walking among.
Speaker 9 (02:03):
Us I suspected serial killer charged with murders in the
Saint Louis area. New chargers again suspected serial killer Perez Reid.
Speaker 10 (02:10):
The FBI has arrested a man suspected in multiple homicides
in Saint Louis City and County. Authority say twenty five
year old Perez Reed is now behind bars. Authorities say
he is believed to be responsible for six murders and
several shootings around Saint Louis and Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
If it was Perez Reid, do you have any reason
why he would have wanted to kill your brother?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That was our producer John Duffy asking Dante Joshua why
he suspects that Perez Reed is the person who killed
his twin brother DeAndre. We are asking Dante about this
because when his brother DeAndre was killed in twenty fourteen,
he was shot in the back of the head and
the car he was in was set on fire. Because
the method of execution was pretty much identical to the
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method used in the murder of Darren Seals, we thought
it was worth comparing notes on the cases. We were
surprised first that Dante had a name to give us
regarding who he thought had killed his brother, and we
were even more surprised when that name was Perez Reid,
who was twenty five years old when he was arrested
in late twenty twenty one on the suspicion that he'd
committed six murders, with another murder added to that list
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the following year. Dante explained to us that he and
his brother had been good friends with Perez.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
This is Prrizos.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Like Perez. We knew him personally. We used to be
with him every day.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So like when he get attitudes, he used to turn
to somebody he you would not think he was when
he got mad. Prior to that, he beat another one
of our friends. He lost his money in the Dyke's game,
and he beat him with a skilley in his house,
locked him in his house and beat him with a skilley.
Speaker 11 (03:45):
Once he lost him.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
So I know the type of things he did, like
like how mad he can get. I don't watch them
gamble with each other, and to the point where there
was gambling each other close off they back. I don't
know when nobody would try to kill but I do
know that there had shot nice with them earlier that
day and everybody in an apartments lost their money could him,
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So there could have been a reason.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
And say you did you always suspect him, Oh, my.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Cousin did, but I thought it was like I friends,
I'm like, he wouldn't do that. There after he started
getting accused for he started shitting herself to the fike
Wards tried to kill his cousin.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
So I was just putting to the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And now that he killed their sixteen year old on Glenoy's,
he killed Diazo on glen Oy's.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
The sixteen year old that Dante mentioned who was killed
in the same location as his brother DeAndre, was Marne Haynes.
She's referred to here in this news report.
Speaker 10 (04:41):
The youngest victim, sixteen year old Marnee Haynes.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
She was so bubbly.
Speaker 12 (04:45):
Every day she would like to arrive.
Speaker 13 (04:47):
She would like to listen to music all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Every single day she would smiled. The day before he
allegedly shot and killed Marnee Haynes, Perez allegedly shot a
man who was waiting for a bus on Chambers Road
in Saint Louis County. That man survived but is now
permanently disabled. Four days after shooting the unnamed man at
the bus stop, Perez allegedly shot an unnamed woman in
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the face on West Florisan Avenue in Saint Louis. She
was able to make it to a nearby gas station
to ask for help, and she survived. Only One hour
later and a half mile away, at eleven forty five pm,
Perez allegedly shot Pamela Abercrombie in the head. Police found
her bleeding out in the street, and she died of
her wound at the hospital.
Speaker 9 (05:32):
A memorial for pam Abercrombie on West Florescain chose the
passage of time weeks since of hours went up here
at the same spot where she was shot on September sixteenth.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
On September nineteenth, three days after the shooting of Pamela Abercrombie.
The body of Kerry Ross was found in a vacant lot.
Gunshots had been reported in the area the night before,
but officers responding didn't find the victim at the time.
The forty caliber shells found at the scene matched those
found at the scenes of.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
The previous victim.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
One week later, Ferguson police found the body of Lester Robinson.
He had been fatally shot in the head. After this spree,
Paris seems to have quieted down for a month. At
the end of October, he took an Amtrak train from
Saint Louis to Kansas City, Kansas. Based on communications, police
later found Perez was going to Kansas City ostensibly to
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meet a woman named Radaja Denaia Farrow to buy drugs
from her. She lived in a high rise building, and
it was in that building where Perez allegedly killed his
three final victims. Radaja herself was one of them, along
with neighbors Damon Washington Irvin and Stephen Johnson.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Are you gonna let her know.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
That we're here?
Speaker 9 (06:53):
Okay?
Speaker 14 (06:53):
Thank you, Sarah, I'm good. Are you a Sherry now,
Miss Sherry?
Speaker 12 (07:01):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Mob to better understand who Perez was. We went to
his aunt's house. She had been his legal guardian.
Speaker 11 (07:10):
My name is.
Speaker 14 (07:10):
Maria, and this is Ray and where are you, miss Sherry?
I'm miss Sherry. We are coming calming to your house
unannounced that we wanted to introduce ourselves. My name is
Maria and this is Ray. And Ray's doing some background
information about Pearaz and he wanted to ask you a
couple of questions, if that's possible, yeah, comment, okay, so
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everything makes in the paper. We just stick to what's
in the.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Paper, what they say. Okay, we didn't comment to that. Okay,
thank you. Were you able to tell us where he
was living around twenty fourteen?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Do you know?
Speaker 15 (07:49):
I have no idea.
Speaker 8 (07:52):
I don't know what else we should try to talk talk.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
To to just don't anybody else.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 12 (08:00):
Cherry.
Speaker 16 (08:00):
Having a day.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Since his aunt was unwilling to speak with us, we
went to Sam's Meat Market, a small business in Ferguson
where we heard Perez previously worked. It was a long shot,
but we figured it was worth checking into.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Hello is the.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Owner here or you the owner?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Oh?
Speaker 14 (08:27):
Is there anybody who has worked here since twenty thirteen.
Have you so there's not a person who's been working
here since twenty thirteen?
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Oh no, I don't think The.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Man working up front was unable to help us. So
we went to the kitchen at the back of the
building where a couple of men were cleaning up.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Can I ask how long have you been working here? Yeah?
I've been.
Speaker 12 (09:00):
Three years?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Almost were you over here?
Speaker 12 (09:02):
When a guy named.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Perez Read would move Paraz Read, he would come in.
Speaker 8 (09:08):
He was arrested late last year like multiple murders and.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Said he worked here at one point, still a whole
podcast who talk.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
About he.
Speaker 12 (09:21):
Didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It turns out one of the employees who was working
did remember Paris.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
They always.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You remember him yourself.
Speaker 14 (09:32):
So he just set like a science hustle aside.
Speaker 16 (09:35):
He was just kind of come over and sing on
the trade's sweet, moved to possible. I'm really probably.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Would man after and so yeah, sorry, one more thing,
just then leave you alone. But the the if we
wanted to try to get to know more.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
About him and who he was and what he was
all about, is there anybody we could try to talk to,
anyone he hung out with.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Talk to who, As luck would have it, the employee
told us that if we wanted to talk directly to
Perez his cousin Caden, we could because he was standing
right outside.
Speaker 8 (10:10):
Yeah, we're just trying to better understand what happened there.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Really, we're just kind of trying to get to know
people who knew him and try to figure out what
but like why he went off in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
One, Right, he had only a psychiatrist. He knows how
to deal with that psycond life.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
The second man you're hearing was standing outside the market
with Caden. He told us he also knew Perez.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
I like, how would you describe it?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
He just had like a temper and sometimes he just
become another gun.
Speaker 8 (10:37):
You were annoy a lot. Pared He thought everybody was aftable.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Because looking at and following the shit.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, he held it together for all those years and
then all of a sudden in twenty twenty one, he
goes on that screen.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
He's Freddy, and I could tell you only a psychiatrist
can I deal with that?
Speaker 8 (11:00):
No, he was key then he'd come here mostly to
hang out or mostly at work. No, he was just
sweeping the letter.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Remember some of his friends.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
What else would we talk to?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
You really have many friend.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Kiten said, Perez didn't have many friends, but he did
have a lawyer, so we called him to see if
maybe we could have ranged to speak with Piros himself.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I'm trying to reach David Bruns. Yeah, hey David, I'm
a reporter and a podcaster, and I guess I wanted
to get in touch to see if we might make
a request of Perez for an interview.
Speaker 17 (11:35):
Wait, wait, wait, what's this.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
My name's Ray Novoshlski.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I do a podcast called After the Uprising, and there
are elements that seem to connect with.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
A story of Perez read.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
So I was just calling to see if a I
might request an interview with him if he were inclined.
I know there are things he can't say, but there
might be things he wants.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
To say right now that No, I'm not going to
into any comment.
Speaker 9 (12:03):
I'm Pere.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Are you still representing him? I absolutely am. Okay, would
he consider an interview or could such a request be passed?
Speaker 14 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Okay, well that's pretty clear, thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Perez's attorney was not interested in commenting, and he was
absolutely not willing to pass on our request for an
interview with his client, as fate would have it. There
were some people who knew Perez who were willing to
talk about him, and I just happened to meet them
in a ride share.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
My mom helped all the time. Him and my brother
is actually close free. He was handfling, he was in school,
he was doing everything. Then he's playing football with my
brother and everything. He never gave off a serious killer
type of vib never like when my mam was seen
an article, she was just like, I know, that's not Paris.
Speaker 16 (13:04):
They used to be over here, like this man used
to be in the house with us.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
What did he do?
Speaker 17 (13:08):
He was a serial killum.
Speaker 16 (13:09):
Nobody expected than to be the outcome. I honestly think
Pariz got hold of some type of drugs that they
missed up his mind. Because I was always into a cluse.
My brothers was always his big bro. So I'm not understanding.
Speaker 12 (13:24):
He was a cool dude.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
How old is I can?
Speaker 16 (13:27):
He said the Paris is about twenty seventy after they
got out of school. We didn't hear from Paris after
the I don't know when.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
I do believe he experienced much.
Speaker 16 (13:37):
A dramatic in his life, which paul him to live
off his humanity. He can't after her half like a
name alone.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
That was I never had the same.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Phone more after the break.
Speaker 8 (13:55):
Now back to the show, and so what have you
since learned took place?
Speaker 11 (14:01):
It's not much, Stays told me as far as what
the police have said. I'm a true crime like type
of guy. Like so I'm like heavy into podcasts, so
like I just kind of put my mind into that place,
like almost become my own loaded detective, you know, And
then you find out about all the murders to go
on to Saint Louis, and then you find out all
what happened right across the water the next day. I
believe it was he had kept another guy in Kansas City,
(14:22):
Missouri and did him the exact same way that he
did my brother. Back of the head, stuffed in the closet, mattress, sober.
So it's like, oh, so this is your moo, this
is what you do.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I'm speaking with Delano Hill. His brother Damon Irvin, was
killed allegedly by peiz Read on October twenty eighth, twenty
twenty one. I'm sorry for your loss, and I appreciate
you talking with us problem many Maybe we.
Speaker 8 (14:47):
Could just start with can you tell us a little
about Damon.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
There's only two of us, me and him, So I
hate to come with the same on cliche, very smart,
so on and so forth. But I mean he was
like in a society. I think it was something like that,
classical artists. As far as piano, they played Beethoven, chopin.
I think he said one of the guy's name was
like Then he went off to Ku for a couple
of years. He had went back home to guy as
(15:11):
associates at Casey K, but he went back to Ku.
That's where he was studying when he passed. I mean
not saying he's quiet boy, because like I said, he
later in life he was into different things, but never
really a street element.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
He never was a street guy.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I asked Elano how he first heard that his brother
had been killed.
Speaker 11 (15:30):
My mother she had called me on Friday, you know
that she hadn't heard from him, and actually if I
would reach out to him, So I called and called
and called. At first he was ringing. THENNIS start going
straight to boy smail. Friday evening she called, you know,
she was like, Hey, we're just gonna we're gonna go
up there.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Saturday.
Speaker 11 (15:49):
They went up there, the police Wood and let him,
and they said they had to wait until Monday. Monday morning,
when my mother called, she was already crumbing.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (16:03):
So I woke up Monday morning planning on the celebrating
my son's birthday.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
It was his.
Speaker 11 (16:09):
Second birthday, and they called it told me that my
brother they thought my brother, well, they found somebody in
his apartment.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
And I knew my brother wasn't a killer, so I
already knew it was him.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
How long after that did you learn that they'd arrested
read it was a surprise.
Speaker 11 (16:28):
So whenever it was published on the news is when
I found out about that guy.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I wanted to know if Delano had any inkling as
to how his brother came into contact with PEOs.
Speaker 11 (16:38):
The police are very hesitant to give us some information.
They said the guy and the young lady that passed
the next day, they had over like six hundred communications,
but they never said that him and my brother had
any communication. But knowing my brother, my brother was a
very inviting person. I can't say what was behind. I
don't know if it was possible drugs. If it was possible,
(17:00):
we just hey wanting to get to know you. My
brother was a part of UH the lgbt LA Plus
Believe said, I don't want to disrespect the galbody any means.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
So I don't know.
Speaker 11 (17:13):
I don't know what the play was. On Wednesday night,
he called me and was like, brother, I need you
to save me. And he had been doing it for
a few weeks now, but he had just felt something
bad was coming. I'm big on being a man, or
what my idea of a man, and I'm yelling this
to him, like dang it, just gotta And it's not
(17:34):
like I'm yelling down at him. It's I'm yelling him
picking him up.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Gotta be a man. You can't call me crying, and
so on and so forth.
Speaker 11 (17:44):
And later on that night he called me and we
kind of had like a common down period, but he's like, man,
but I still want to come down there with you.
You know, the detectives told me Thursday morning.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
Do you think it was a premonition or do you
think you literally knew he.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Was in trouble.
Speaker 12 (18:21):
We need to understand that I'm just going on what
I remember because I don't have any facts on anything
or numbers that I have written down over the years.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
This is Paul Jones, a former teacher who then spent
the bulk of his career as a detention supervisor at
the Juvenile Detention Center in Saint Louis County. He also
happened to be my neighbor and my friend.
Speaker 15 (18:46):
You worked at the Saint Louis County Juvenile Justice Center.
Speaker 12 (18:51):
Correct, Yes, Saint Louis County Juvenile Detention Center.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Okay, how many years did you work there?
Speaker 12 (18:59):
From nineteen eighty one? I believe, oh, either eighty or
eighty one to twenty twenty. I worked with BC three
children my first twenty years there. BC three kids are
considered ring leaders on the street. They call the shots
and other kids would practically do anything to be accepted
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by this person.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
In his time working at the juvenile detention center, mister
Jones saw a lot that disturbed him, including that the
police would try to groom children to become informants.
Speaker 12 (19:38):
Well, that happens all the time. If they can get
the kid to talk and tell them who's on the
street doing this and doing that, they would pick the
child up and say something dumb to him in front
of his friends, like, Hey, didn you give me some
information on so and so, so and so in front
of the friends and now all the friends are looking
(19:59):
at it.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
You snitched on us, Oh man, I we done with you.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And it would also make him a target on the streets.
Speaker 12 (20:07):
Yes, he would be, because if he'd been told I'm
the wrong person, he.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Can come up miss it.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Mister Jones has a great memory regarding the specific kids
who came through the juvenile detention center, including her. As
read which.
Speaker 8 (20:25):
Group was part of.
Speaker 12 (20:28):
If my memory is correct, I want to say he was.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
He was not in the BC three.
Speaker 12 (20:35):
He was with the group of gods that could read
or write, that knew how to manipulate the system. He
knew what buttons to push, He knew how to get
other people to do his bidding for him. His particular group,
we used to call them white collar. Cry White collar
is where he or she can get someone that's a
(20:58):
little slow or whatever and go and do all bill
the handiwork for them.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Where this gets personal for me is that a young
man who had been held in the juvenile detention center
as a child, Jalen Jefferson, many years later, shot and
killed my own cousin. Her name was Isis Mar and
she was only nineteen years old when she was murdered
in twenty twenty one. Two years before that, Jalen killed
(21:29):
a boy named Curtis Marshall. And before that, back in
twenty thirteen, according to mister Jones, Jalen also happened to
have killed someone close to Perez Reid, allegedly his brother.
Astonishingly and tragically, Jalen would have been only nine years
old when he committed his first alleged act of violence.
(21:52):
As he was a miner. His criminal record from that
time is sealed, but he was sent into the juvenile
detention center under mister Jones's watch.
Speaker 15 (22:02):
He said that there was an incident between Jalen and
Perez at some point.
Speaker 13 (22:10):
In the detention center.
Speaker 12 (22:11):
As long as I was there, I would always say
there were certain kids could never have the room of
the building, and mister Perez was one of those guys,
because I knew for a fact that if he ever
got the opportunity, he was going to physically assault missus Jefferson.
Like I said, Paras was in unity white collar crime,
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so he knew how to play the game. And so
this particular evening I was not working and one of
the social workers picked him to distribute snacks for the
evening and once he was passing out the snacks and
he was going to the different units to pass it off.
Once he got to Unit A and he saw mister Jefferson,
(22:56):
Missus Jefferson tried to avoid him, but he put the
snacks down and ran straight to Missus Jefferson and assaulted him.
And Jefferson, without a gun was not a fighter. He
could not really defend himself.
Speaker 18 (23:12):
And Jalen was in that time. So the time that
he got attacked, he was in for the murder of
Perez's brother, That's what he was. Yes, so Jalen ends
up inside. Perez gets inside for I don't know what
brought him into the building. I don't remember what brought
him in the building, but Jalen was in the building.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
First.
Speaker 13 (23:32):
You talked about how he gained the system to specifically
get himself closer to Jalen so he could attack him.
That makes me wonder if he got into Juvie in
the first place because his brother had been killed and
he wanted to get.
Speaker 19 (23:44):
In so that he could get to the guys crazy.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
Is is some truth to that?
Speaker 8 (23:52):
It could be possible.
Speaker 12 (23:53):
Yeah, quite possible, because like I said, over the years,
sitting back and just observing.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
And listening to some of the stories.
Speaker 12 (24:03):
Some of the keys didn't do things purposely so that
they could get back into the juvenile system. He didn't
receive him an additional charge for the assault because there's
always fights within the building, and he got out maybe
a week or two EFA. So he really, I mean,
(24:27):
I would say he planned all this.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
You mostly recall him because of that incident, Yes, gotcha.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
So do you know how long he.
Speaker 8 (24:33):
Maybe had been in before that?
Speaker 12 (24:35):
No, And I know he had been through the building.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
But it surprised you to know that Perez committed arson
on his own family's home.
Speaker 13 (24:47):
No, they wouldn't sur No.
Speaker 12 (24:49):
I've seen a lot of those.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Darren Seals was killed in the early morning hours of
September sixth, twenty sixteen, almost exactly one month before. On
August second, Perez Reed tried to set a house on
fire while several people were still inside. Those people were
all Perez's family members.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
A substructed serial killer charged with murders in the Saint
Louis area was accused of arson five years ago, but
despite facing prosecution, the case against Perez Reid was dropped.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
All signs of a fire that happened here five years
ago are gone. The sighting is new, so was the
garage door. It was a different story in August of
twenty sixteen when Ferguson police say Perez Reed set this
attached garage on fire, even though four members of his
family were inside the home. A police report says Reed's
father and cousin and grandmother were huddled together and visibly
(25:42):
shaking when officers arrived, and that they were willing to
prosecute the twenty year old.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Fortunately, everyone inside the home was okay, and only the
garage seems to have suffered major damage. At the time,
Bob McCullough was the prosecuting attorney for Saint Louis County,
and he charged Perez Reaied with first degree arson, which
is a felony punishable by anywhere from five to fifteen
years in prison. But in twenty nineteen those charges were
(26:08):
dropped for failure to prosecute. The prosecuting attorney overseeing the
case by that time was Wesley Bell. This is what
mister Bell said at a press conference regarding that failure
to prosecute.
Speaker 11 (26:19):
From my knowledge, that was witnesses who were not willing
to testify, family members who were not willing to cooperate.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
His is not surprising.
Speaker 12 (26:27):
He has been fortunate enough that somebody always have done
his paperwork wrong that he always wind up back out
on the street to do more damage.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Perez was out on the streets again after his assault
on Jalen Jefferson in time to possibly have killed DeAndre
Joshua In twenty fourteen, two years later, after setting fire
to his grandmother's property, he was let out on a
failure to prosecute. Jalen was also released, which is how
he was able to kill Curtis Marshall, a crime for
which there was also a failure to prosecut which left
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him free to kill Maria's cousin Isis, as the primary
witness in her case, was also murdered. Jalen and his
co defendant have again been released onto the streets of
Saint Louis. We asked mister Jones what he thought needed
to be reformed to make it so that fewer children
ended up like Jalen Jefferson or Peariz.
Speaker 12 (27:19):
Read well to be truthful. Well, for the first question,
what would I like to see the same thing that
deterred me from going to Juno, Because there's a lot
of single women trying to raise little boys. And once
a little boy gets strong enough, he is not listening.
Speaker 19 (27:42):
Cool mom, Grandma, uh great eye. Well, little boy always
need a male somewhere in his life. Is just to
keep him in lying without the male influence his life.
And I would always tell the kids in the building,
(28:03):
this is why White America is building all these prisons.
They are afraid of you.
Speaker 12 (28:09):
And since you out here acting like an animal, most
animals they put down or they put them in a cage.
And that's where you guys are hit it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
In July twenty twenty three, mister Paul Jones passed away.
He was my friend, he was my confidante. He was
a lovely, god feary man and I will miss him
more after the break.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
Now back to the show.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I understand that DeAndre Joshua was not an activist in
the same sense and was not in the same.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Category as Darren Seals.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
We took a shot.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
We gave a call to his family members and some
people in his orbit. And do you know about this
guy Perez Red that was arrested last year?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
I heard about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard about him.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, I'm talking to Tef Poe If you listen to
season one of our show, you'll remember that he's a
native of Saint Louis, a rapper and an activist. As
someone who knew Darren Seals personally, we thought it was
important to get TEF's perspective on his killing and to
share with him the question of whether or not it
made any sense to try to connect Perez Read to
Darren's death. So we thought this was a good trail
(29:32):
at we look at his further record. Twenty sixteen, he
tries to light a house on fire right near the
Canfield apartments, so when Wesley Bell comes in, he tries
to prosecute him. In twenty nineteen, Wesley Bell has a
failure to prosecute and sees the guy get out on
that charge in twenty nineteen, and I'm wondering why this
guy is so fintouchical.
Speaker 17 (29:49):
I'm gonna tell you why, man, because he's from from
what I hear, from what you described it, the.
Speaker 6 (29:54):
Motherfucker is a shoulder. The motherfucker is a killer.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
So just no one's going to talk about him.
Speaker 17 (29:58):
Man, They don't want to deal with If he's like that,
then and he comes from a small gang, then those
small gangs are usually the most violent wants those small gangs.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Everybody in a small gang is pretty much a shooter.
It sounds like to me, he's just from a shooter gang,
and people don't want to deal.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
With From Juvian, he was starting fires Arson and they
had thought that he was a sociopath at that time.
In twenty fourteen, he's he's living adjacent to the Canfield
Departments and he's playing dice game on the regular with
DeAndre Joshua.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
And on the day of the non indictment.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
That late that night or early the next morning is
of course when DeAndre was shot through the window of
his car and it was attempted to be lit on
fire but unsuccessfully, right off the Canfield apartments. He had
just taken a ton of money from Perez on a
dice game. So DeAndre gets shot through a car, attempted
the light on fire. Darren's found in a car lit
on fire. We had this like whole like you know,
(30:52):
theory that like maybe this is all essentially this Perez read.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you never fucking know, But
I don't I don't really think so.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Tef wasn't really buying the potential pairs read connection to
Darren's murder, which was fair enough.
Speaker 17 (31:06):
The general opinion about what happened to Seals is dead,
he crossed. And this is where where she gets really confusing,
because the activist community believes one thing, and then the
streets believe another.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
And honestly, the streets pretty much absolved the fucking murder.
Speaker 17 (31:22):
But uh, nobody really listens to like those voices could
there like, well, where's your evidence? The evidence is pretty
much in the in the for us in the admitted,
the admittance from it of.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
The people who are in the community kind of you know,
soft finessing that they know what happened and this is
how it happened, you know. But and that story is
what basically man, I mean, he was in the streets before. Man,
he was dealing with this dude named Jay Bird. Bird
is locked up. Sills is supposed to be taking care
of some ship for his family. It didn't go. It
(31:54):
didn't go as it was supposed to go. Two weeks
before he.
Speaker 17 (31:58):
Died, he kind of start of shifting and hanging out
out with some cats that none of us really trusted, and.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
They lined them up. Man, That's pretty much it.
Speaker 17 (32:05):
And then you know the dude, one of the guys
that was responsible for the lineup I think two thousand
and twenty. He was gunned down in his front yard
of his mother's home, pretty much his retaliation.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
For the situation with Seals.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
Are you able to give that name since the guy's gone.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I used to know it, but I fucking forgot it.
It's a rapper man, he's in videos with him and everything.
Speaker 17 (32:31):
And then even honestly, if you know Sials, you kind of.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Know it wasn't no fucking conspiracy. I just knew that
dude well enough to note when they.
Speaker 17 (32:37):
Told me the story hot spelled out, I didn't get
a hint of foul playing that personally. I knew him
to be a person who would drop his girl off
at the crib, say I'm going to fuck with some
movement people.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Your girl don't know what that means.
Speaker 17 (32:50):
Two o'clock in the morning, and you're fucking popping the
internet activists at this point, knowing in the streets, known
in the.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Community, Hey, all right, shit, you've been out three o'clock
in the morning dealing with others this whole time, so.
Speaker 17 (33:01):
Maybe that's valid. You fucking dropped her off, which I've
seen him do his countless times because I've been within
him when he did shit like this, And his main
problem was he liked the ladies. Man, so he pulled
up on a girl. The girl was in on the shit.
They set his ass up like for like this. We
used to have this thing called principles and values, so
you know where we'll be like, we'll spell it out,
(33:22):
you know, for each other. So it's like, if I
get caught doing this, yeah it's a chance I did that.
If I get caught doing this, you know, damn well,
I'm not even into that. So it spells out issue
that he was into it doesn't like for his actual
associates and friends. It's not a man.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
What the fuck was he doing over there? And how
did that man? The dude got shot up? Before he
was even in the movement.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Teff seems to have bits and pieces of a story.
A guy named Jaybird who was in jail, strange new
people in Darren's life that Teff didn't trust, a nameless
rapper gunned down in his mother's yard, and a woman
who was maybe used as bait. Were all of these
elements actually at play in Darren's death or any of them.
I asked Tef if he knew specifically how Darren was
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lured to the location where he was killed.
Speaker 17 (34:09):
I never heard that part of the logic of how
they got him out of the house it was music
related people who killed him.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I know that if Tef was convinced it was people
in the rap game that had killed Darren, we were
curious what the motive would have been.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
You know, Sis was a good dude. At the same
time he was he was quick to make enemies, man,
you know what I'm.
Speaker 17 (34:28):
Saying, Like even the first day I met the dude,
he was like going in my throat and everybody was like, yo, dude,
we don't even know how Polgan responded this shit. Introduced
yourself to the dude first, you know.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
What I'm saying. I chopped it up with him. It
wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 17 (34:41):
But at the same time, there are the other people
who know who aren't going to meet that energy, hid
on out of fear, out of whatever anxieties they may have.
I just feel like in his personal entanglements, we just
don't know the depths of those, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (34:55):
But I know he was in the.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Streets, and he wasn't. He wasn't faking the streets. You
know what I'm saying. The motherfucker's nickname was d Boy.
Don't boy.
Speaker 17 (35:02):
I mean, come on, man, he was a fucking drug dealer.
That shit don't leave you just because you went outside
and started. You know, critique in black lives matter as
seeing it. You know, you still got a life that
has a tab on it from your past endeavors, you.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
As well connected as Tef po is to the various
communities and subcultures involved, it's hard not to take his
opinion seriously. Despite the similarities and how both DeAndre Joshua
and Darren Seals died, it doesn't necessarily mean the two
killings are connected, and for what it's worth, we don't
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actually know for certain who killed DeAndre, even though his
brother Dante believes Perez Read was responsible at this point,
that is only speculation. For his part, Tef Poe believes
that someone or a group of someone's that Darren was
connected to in the world of music were the people
behind his murder, and he believes it's possible that one
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of them has already been killed as an act of retribution,
though he says he doesn't remember specific names, So who
are these people? Who could they be? That's next time
on After the Uprising.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
After the Uprising is a production of Double Asterisk and
iHeart Podcasts in association with True Stories. Season two was written, reported,
and produced by Maria Chappelle, Nadal, John Duffy, Mallory Kenoi,
and Reino Vashewski. Executive producers are Nikki Atore and Lindsay
Hoffman for iHeart Podcasts, John Duffy and Reinovaschewski for Double Asterisk,
(36:49):
David Cassidy and Ruth Baka for True Stories. Directed by
John Duffy and Renovashlsky. Theme song and score by Zachary Walter.
Sound engineering and mixed by John Autry.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Checking by Muffin Humes.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
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Airtime Studios in Bloomington, Indiana. We want to acknowledge additional
investigation that became part of this podcast was conducted by
Detective Adams in the Saint Louis County Police and the FBI,
who did not participate in this podcast, and by a
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Decisions, Decisions
Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!