January 21, 2025 • 44 mins
ATS UNPLUGGED is back after a week hiatus, and we're kicking things off by sending all our love to those affected by the LA wildfires. Our thoughts and prayers are with everyone impacted.
In this brand new episode, Matt is joined by Bootleg Kev, the host of a popular hip hop radio show and podcast, for an insider look into the biggest stories taking over the music and entertainment industry. The guys dive deep into Drake’s decision to officially sue UMG, exploring the potential impact it could have on his career and legacy. They also break down the latest Snoop Dogg drama and Gelo Ball's new music deal.
Plus, we’re bringing back Coach Jason Brown (from Last Chance U) to recap this weekend's divisional round playoff games and preview the exciting conference championship matchups. And, of course, the guys react to the rumors about Deion Sanders potentially making the leap to the NFL.
As always, ATS UNPLUGGED brings in the experts to keep you in the know on the hottest news across music, sports, and culture.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome back to Unplugged everybody. Obviously, we were on hiatus
last week due to the LA fires. As LA starts
to try to put itself back together, there are still
two fires that are burning, the Eating Fire and the
Palisades Fire. Hopefully those will be extinguished in the next
few days. But as I kind of sit back and
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just think about what happened, it's crazy to me. California
is known for two things, and that's earthquakes and wildfires.
And you hear all the stuff that went bad and
went wrong, and we weren't prepared. It's hard for me
to imagine that as much as we pay in taxes
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and as expenses as it is to live in California,
that we don't have the best in practice when it
comes to earthquakes and fires. Those are the two things
that California is known for, and we just weren't prepared.
We lost the zip codes through this fire. Several fires
were started, whether it be through power lines or the
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losers out there trying to light them. But you know,
my heart goes out to all the families who were
affected during this time. People lost houses, people lost their lives,
lost their livelihoods, but also want to thank all the
first responders, all the firefighters Mexico, Canada, everyone who tried
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to pitch in at a time of need for us. Obviously,
the people who are in charge are going to take
a lot of heat. You saw Mayor Karen Bass and
Gavin Newsom take a lot of heat for this, and
whether it's their faults or not, and you hear about
budgets being cut and whatnot. I think it's real wake
(01:54):
up signed for people to understand that your local and
state voting is much more impactful to our day to
day lives than actual the federal vote is. And we
have to put people in charge. And I'm not saying
the people that are in charge now aren't adequate, but
we definitely weren't prepared for what took place starting on
January seventh in La. So as we move forward, I
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think pointing fingers is pointless. I just hope that we
learn from this, because we all know that we will
still have earthquakes, and we all know that nearly every
single year LA has fires. So I hope that we
learned a huge lesson from this and moving forward, will
be prepared for anything then mother Nature may throw our way.
(02:39):
My heart goes out to everybody and La strong. We
will be If you're looking to donate, We've Teina with
the Altadena Team Boys fire Recovery. They're accepting donations that
six ' four nine North Madison Avenue, La California. Our hopes,
our thoughts and prayers are with everybody. Now I want
to welcome one of the hosts from ninety two point three,
one of the most influence white boys in the music space.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Jesus my God, cam Man.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Hey, that's saying something, though, man, because you have I
tell people, man, I don't take my voice in this
space for granted, you have a really respected voice in
a space that's not predominantly white, and.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
You're I'm obviously like a guest, you know, in the
house of hip hop, and you know, I've been doing
radio and hip hop has been my life since I
was a kid, so to be able to grow up
and turn it into my profession, and I don't take
it for advantage, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I also saw you nominated for a BT hip Hop
Award Best Platform, So congratulations.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That was cool for sure. Yeah, definitely the only white
that was nominated for that, So I'll take it, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Come on. Yeah, but let's get to business man.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So Drake had some stuff going on initially, and now
the actual lawsuit has been filed, not against Kendrick but
against UMG. So break this down where we're at and
kind of your point of view.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, listen my point of view.
It's been pretty honest on Twitter. Just from like a
hip hop perspective. I think this is the most you'd
like we always like would use jaw roll as like
a verb like oh, you got jaw ruled or whatever.
Like I feel like this is just like Miles and
Miles beyond the jaw roll thing. Like there was a
(04:23):
there was supposed to be a petition for like information
that was like last I think it was late last
week or early this week. No, it was late last week.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Essentially they were like trying to get information from Spotify
and from iHeart Radio, and Drake was accusing like essentially
you know treatment that was was benefiting Kendrick and not
him from all these platforms, whether it was radio, whether
it was the streaming services.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But that same treatment has benefited Drake throughout his career.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Oh for sure. But also like so that that got
thrown out, and then a new official suit was filed
for defamation, which I thought was interesting because some of
the stuff in there was just funny, like he accused
Kendrick of be an anti Semitic when he had the
colonizer line, because Drake's obviously has Jewish heritage. And then
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he compared not Like Us. He called it the twenty
twenty four version of Pizzagate Jesus, which was like the
QA non conspiracy theory. And so it's just like a
lot of like big reaches and like, you know, speaking
from somebody who like plays a lot of Drake on
the radio, played a lot of Kendrick on the radio,
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like Not Like Us as a hit record, Like you
just can't like it just is what it is. You
cannot bought your way to a number one record. You
cannot like fake your way to culture, you know what
I'm saying. And so I just think that, you know,
Drake probably thought that I don't know who was advising
him in terms of like going for with this lawsuit
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and the optics of it. And you know, maybe the
beef did affect his negotiation pull with Universal because he
was in the middle of negotiating a deal. But I
think the after effects of his perception now moving forward
will probably cost him way more money than this lawsuit
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could ever get him. Even if he wins the lawsuit, would.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I would argue that his reaction to the loss has
hurt his reputation more than the actual loss did, because
I mean, at the end of the day, he's still Drake.
I mean, I'm I'm a I'm a huge Drake music fan,
always have been. He's held it down for the light skin.
But it's hard to condone and and back some of these,
you know, a lot of the moves he's making posts
(06:46):
like he said, who's in this corner condoning this? But
I would say, you took the l in the and
let's keep it real up until not like us, it
was a coin flip.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Who was one?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I disagree, but I see that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, I'm not man, I'm a huge Kendrick fan, but
I'm also I also fucked with Drake and the fact
that Drake took on not just Kendrick, he took on
for sure people.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I said, you know what's funny.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I said that.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I said, like when when push ups came out, which
was like right after it, well not right after, but
like that dropped. It took a while for Drake to respond.
He was on tour and then push Ups came out
and he kind of had to respond to everybody. So
he had smoke for the weekend and he had everybody.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And so.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Once push Ups dropped, I said, well, you know what,
like that was kind of playful. Euphoria came out and
it just was like a real, like five minute long
like he really kind of deconstructed Drake as a human
and then also predicted so much of what was going
to happen. And you know, I think we also forget
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that Drake, Yeah, he kind of did some whost shit.
I mean he did he did an AI version of
Tupac and Snoop Crazy, and we just forget about that. Yeah,
and then he you know, he pretty much. I mean,
he did accuse Kendrick of beating his wife. He accus
Kendrick's best friend of being his Yeah, his his his,
(08:05):
his kid's dad. And so for me, it's like obviously
those things were within, like you know, the bounds of
a hip hop beef, because as we know, in hip hop,
like there's nothing limits, there's nothing off limits, and so
you know, did Tupac ever fucked Faith Evans. I don't
think we ever got a yes or no on that,
but he said it, and it just is what it is,
(08:27):
you know, And so I just think that now. And
the other thing is he replied to not like us.
He put out the Hard Part six and that ship
was booty cheeks. So it's like, dude, if, like you said,
if he would have just kept it moving put I
mean I thought he was kind of on that path
because he jumped on the Sexy Red record and kind
(08:48):
of made fun of the Bbo drizzy thing. I mean,
I think we would, we would just we'd forgive. I mean,
people take El's.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean, he was his back tobacco. Meek was tough,
he smoked me off, you.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Know, but me did what he had to do, head down,
released his own shit, and yeah, now it is you know,
now it is what it is. I kind of felt, obviously,
with Drake's talent, that could have happened. But again, I
feel like the path he's taken post L to me
on the outside of the public perception, because that's you know,
that's what we live by these days. I mean, he's
harmed hisself more than the L could ever harm.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Them, and nobody has benefited more from the Machine than Dread.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, that's just a fact.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Like it's not even a discussion. I think they said
when Scorpion came out. Whenever that was, I think it
was twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, it was around the time
the Rockets or the Raptors won the finals.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But uh, he.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Had every major Spotify playlist cover at the same time
when that album dropped.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
So it's like, wait, so the machine worked for you,
then you weren't bitching then, you know what I mean.
And so to me, it's just it's just some real,
respectfully like bitch ash shit for real, Like I don't
understand it, because, like you said, Drake's an amazing artist.
He's biggest hit maker ever, He's the most prolific hit
maker we've ever had.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, his music have the same effects moving forward.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
No, no, no, no, no, I think it's I think it's
I think Drake better hope that. Uh, you know, the
pop fans and the girls and the girls don't give a
fun But even then it's like even the girls are
probably looking at.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Like corny shit.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's just a little hard to like because you know,
Drake will do the tough guy talk on some of
these records, like you just can't. There's just a certain
amount like Drake can't make certain types of records now
without people looking at him like he's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I had the same thing, or like because he at
the time he had the ear of the streets that
at some points on some of his records, not all
of them, he's been able to play both sides. He's
been able to walk the yes sides. But I don't
think you can do that no more.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Do I think it's over?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Man?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I think this. I mean because if you think about
the like Drake is the he is the you know,
there's nobody you can't get bigger than Drake. No, so
when we think about John Rule, John Roull was huge, but.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
He wasn't Drake huge ahead of his time. But go
ahead the story.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
But it's like now, it's like, you know, we're gonna
look back and be like, damn Kendrick like not like
us literally like derailed Drake and made us all think
about him differently because look ether Nas beat jay Z, right,
I mean, and you can there's a toss up in
terms of like when you listen to takeover versus Ether,
(11:17):
which age better than all that. But at that time,
the perception was NAS one. And then even when the
Blueprint two came out, you know, people weren't because Jay
was still taking slight shots to NAS on Blueprint two.
But Jay wasn't like j J just weathered the storm. Bro.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
He took it like a bro.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
That was it. And to me, it's like people lose battles.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
This is it competitive.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
It's competitive.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's almost a sport and everybody's bound to lose. Drake
hasn't lost much, but he took an l but just
the way he went out.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
With I mean, this is the second time he's lost.
Shot to push your teeth, but you know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He doesn't take many.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Moving on man, public perception of what happened with Dog,
she did and performed him and and Soldier performed at
hosted by David Sachs. People thought it was actually Trump's
inauguration and the social media world went crazy. But I
saw your tweet last night when I was in the
airport and I read it and it made a lot
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of sense.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, I mean, look, this is what I think is
like crazy is like I remember turning on CNN, was
it yesterday, and that's what kind of like it might
have been the day before because it had his face
next to like these country singers and like essentially saying
like artists performing at Trump's inauguration events, right, And so
you know at the end of and I've spoken with
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people close to Snoop about this, and I know you're
close with Snoop. At the end of the day, I
saw and what made me want to tweet this was
because I saw the video of him on stage and
I just saw like all these crypto brands behind. I
didn't see anything, nothing. And then it's like, Dude, at
the end of the day, Snoop is probably the most
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crypto forward thinking artist we've ever had.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No question.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
This guy was ahead of the curve on Sandbox. I
remember if people were spending real like six figures to
like have digital real estate next to his house on Sandbox.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Shout out to his son though his son in his lot, Homie.
I forgot his name, but they got Snoop all into
that and he mastered.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It and then even like the Mount Westmore album, Yep,
he put that out as an NFT. First, you got
to think like when he acquired death Row, he pulled
off all his solo albums from the streaming services for
a couple of years. Like Doggy Style you could only
get on the on web three, you couldn't stream it
for a while. So like, this guy is like elbow
(13:37):
deep in the crypto space, and people who are involved
in this event are like, it's like he knows them.
So it's not like you know, He's like these are
his people.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So what do you think the disconnect was with people
confusing it with Trump's inauguration and actually what it was.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So there was a flyer that I saw that said
the Crypto Ball, and then on the top of it
it said in honor of the first crypt President, Donald J. Trump,
And so again though that doesn't make it like an
official anogma, like Trump wasn't there, Like he was not there.
And then I have some people replying to my tweet
and they were like sending pictures of like Snoop taking
(14:14):
a picture with some like kid who had a Maga
hat on, and it's like, yeah, it's a fucking crypto event, bro,
like most crypto bros are probably supporting Donald Trump though bros, right,
But to me, it's like what bothers me about it,
dude is like just seeing people not even add any
nuance or context to the event and just shitting on
Snoop and pulling up a video from twenty seventeen where
(14:40):
he was essentially saying, you know, kind of shitting on
anybody who had performed for Trump because since then I
saw an article that he he said that he had
kind of like rethought his position on Trump since he uh,
part Intario. And so for me, it's like, look, man,
we're talking about Snoop dog and there's so many hip
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hop talking heads who took this as an opportunity, an
opportunity to just because there's there's really there's a real
economy behind this divisive ship and shipping on people. And
I'm like, not Snoop, bro, Like, if you're gonna do it,
like do it like with full context, because we're talking
about somebody who has been there for the youth for years.
(15:24):
I mean, I don't know how many kids this dude
is coach that have made it to the NFL. Like
Snoop Dogg is like not the guy to like try
to run through the mud and act like he's a salad.
Like it's fucking Snoop, Like what are we talking.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
About the most famous person after the after? I mean
already before he would the path, the trajectory he was on,
but after the Olympics, like is the most.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
You do realize you're the most famous person alive. I
don't know who's more famous. Like I don't think Jordan
is more famous.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Than Snoop right now, I would argue, I would agree,
like back at.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like you know, in the nineties, Jordan was the most
famous person you know, but it's Snoop. Everybody knows Snoop,
your grandma nos Snoop. I mean he has got his
own damn elf on a shelf at Target.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Right now, because he had the elf on the shelf
at our crib with the kids tripping off of Snoop
on a stoop man Snoop on a stoop, and he
had a little blood. The Snoop on the stoop had
a little blood. I mean, he's just he's been able
to reinvent himself and stay relevant for so I mean
from where he started to where he is now. I
mean it's nothing but growth. But like you said in
your tweet, I mean he's brought nothing but smiles to
our faces for decades.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, and like this guy is a crypto guy though,
like he is in the space, so for him to
go to the crypto ball and there was a bunch
of people there, you know what I mean, there's a
ton of people there. So my whole thing is like,
if you're gonna bring that up and you're gonna just
post this video from twenty seventeen side by side with
Snoop on stage, it's just to me, it's just opportunistic.
(16:44):
This soap box shit gotta stop, man, because at the
end of the day, man, whether or not you voted
for Trump or you voted for Kamla, it's like, bro,
your neighbor, there's people in your family who who voted
for either way. Right, So it's like, you know, there's
just there's a bit of a real economy developed. I
mean it's always been this way, but you know, the
divisiveness of our country, there's money behind that.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It's like, yeah, people make full livings just making us
hate each other. And it's like, don't make us hate Snoop.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Though, yeah, come on, it's Snoop Dog. I think that's
off limits.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I always because my group chat, I was some of
the homies in the group chat man. I'm like, come on, Fellas,
I'm a hold and I was one person. I'm gonna
hold off until I know the full context of this
because I know him too well to kind of cross.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But yeah, like the inauguration is today and there's gonna
be people performing there. Yeah Snoop won't be one of them. Yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So Jellow Ball sign a deal with deaf Jam. Obviously
we're hearing it's a thirteen million dollar deal, eight million guarantee.
Can you break that down from what you know and
exactly what is going on because it's not always what
it seems.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So typically that's an advance on the royalties for that song.
So I'm not sure what the up to thirteen million includes,
but if he got eight million dollars up front, it's
probably a single deal I would assume for a single maybe,
And if it is, that's insane crazy the way that's
like crazy that that's a lot of money. But how
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it would work is if he got eight million bucks,
that song would have I don't know what his royalty
rate is or whatever, but let's say it's not fifty
to fifty if it's deph Jam, but let's say it's
a fifty to fifty deal, which is not because def
Jam's it's probably like an eighty five to fifteen or
something like that. But uh, for math purposes to break
it down, make it easier. He's getting an advance on
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his portion of his royalties. So if it's an eight
million dollar advance, that would mean the song would have
to make sixteen million dollars for him to break even.
But he's got eight million in his pocket. So if
the song doesn't recoup, I mean, that's on def Jam.
They they ate the l so, but that's a lot
of money. Like I know very big artists who have
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platinum records who get a million dollars from that same
label when they turn an album in.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
What's what's next from? How does he make this into
a career? He just got to I don't know man
to keep he? I mean, because he's got to put
out he's got it. I mean an album? Is it
more singles? I mean, what's the what's the I mean,
because this is new, this is it's probably singles. It's
a legitimate former athlete that's crossed over into the music
space has made a hit.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
But to me, what's now? And I'm happy for bro
like I fucked with that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I fuck, he already won if he doesn't do anything
else after.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
This, no question.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
The fact he got that bag from death, no question,
he already won.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So for me, it's that low. It's just like one.
You know, this was like a flash in the pan
viral moment, right, So is there more where that came from?
We'll have to find out, right.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Like you said, even if it's a one hit to
wonder you won.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
He won already And I mean, look he probably you.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Know, fucking with it. There's gonna be remixes and everything
done to it.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And he's forever going to be blamed by Lions fans.
Is the reason why they got fucking smoked by the commanders.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's number twenty nine on the Billboard Hot one hundred
right now, So it's.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
That's that's big. Come on huge to him. And hey,
LeVar balls a g.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
He's a hustler. I mean three for three, come on
all this boys here. I ain't mad at that. Anything
you got coming on working on this year at the
top of the year.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, I mean I just opened a pizza restaurant. Birdman
called what updo?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, I got a nightclub in Scottstale is doing really
well eleven eleven. And then just the podcast, the radio
show we're on in like one hundred markets now, damn
near one hundred, close to one hundred, and yeah, the
podcast is you know, we're just doing our thing, man, congratulation.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We need to we need to get what up do
catered here one day.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Anytime, yea, yeah, I'll bring it over for just let
me know when you want it. Man, we got some heat.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I love it, man. I appreciate your time, yes, sir,
no doubt. Switching gears. We want to bring a friend
of the program in coach JB. Coach you ruffled some
feathers and was talking your ship last time he was
out here. Man, we appreciate your time for coming back
and messing with.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Us always always, brother, I love it. I love it, man.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Hey, I tell people all the time, grown folks supposed
to be able to disagree.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Great, great conversation.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And you were great at and you were great at that.
So yeah, JB.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
There was a lot of great football this weekend. You know,
the matchups are set for the NFC and the AFC
Championship games, but let's start in the NFC. As the
Eagles ran all over the Rams and snowy Philadelphia, Saquon
went for two hundred and what five or six yards
from scrimmage. He's one hundred and forty seven yards away
from breaking Terrell Davis's record in two games this year
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versus the Rams, Saquon has over five hundred yards this season.
So the weather was a big factor in this game.
Normally in snowy games, you're not gonna be able to
throw the ball. Well, Saquon said, no need to throw
the ball, just handed to me.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
What did you see in that game?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeah, the weather saved the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I thought the Rams win that game hands down.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Stafford I think is the best ball spinner in football,
pure ball spinner, as far as old school traditional pocket guy.
He threw for what three twenty four and two touchdowns
in the snow. I mean, he's unbelievable. The no look
he's the original no look guy. Not Mahomes by the way,
But a lot of people don't know that, but listen
here it is. I said, if you don't know this,
McVeigh in his coaching career in the playoffs has never
(22:18):
allowed one hundred yard back and I said if he
can hold Sa Kwan down and not do a repeat
on what they had regular year back here in so
far that the Rams win the game hands down. Jalen Hurts,
in my opinion, isn't ready to take that next step
yet throw in the football. But his feet is what
won the game. In my opinion, I think hertzfeed actually
won the game. Sa Kwan just established the offense and
(22:42):
what he did, so they did a decent job with
them early. But he broke those two runs. Man, that
just broke the camel's back. And then that's ultimately what happened.
And listen, I'm not gonna I'm not going to second
guess McVeigh, who I think is the top three coach
in the league. But it was third and two and
if you run the football right there, you get a
first down. The Rams win that game. In my opinion,
they throw it. He was an empty a few times
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and threw the ball on third down. And I love
him as a ball spinder, but he is not Lamar,
He's not Josh Allen. He is not Jalen Hurts to
being empty back there as a sitting duck and getting
stuff with you're dicking your hand when they changed the
coverage up as well as the Eagles did.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's what cost them. In my opinion. They run the
ball right there, get a first. I think the Rams
win as a minute last. They win the game. And
here's the big pictures, Matt. We're here in.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
La at Sofi next week hosting the Commanders. After the
fires and after all this crazy catastrophe. That would have
been a great thing for La so I was rooting
for the Rams last night. But it is what it is, football,
God said.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Otherwise, Washington Commanders went into Detroit and knocked out the
number one seed in the NFC. Before we talk about
that game, coach, what was your thoughts on Jello Ball's
pregame performance of his smash hit in front of seventy
thousand people.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Man, I didn't see too much of it, but apparently
he getting his Uh he got a deal and all
kinds of shit.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Huh, So I got a deal off?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Hey, that's hey, Matt, That's the thing. I'm the hater though,
when I say it, these cats investment in their sport,
this cat's investment in their particular sport. Lacks like were
worried about other shit too much. That's why the NBA
and the NFL and all this shit is not the same.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Man.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
It's hard to watch this ship Nowaday, we got too
much other shit going on. Do that ship when you retired, though.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think he kind of found his laie rapping though.
We gonna see man. But let's get to the game,
uh Man.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
JD.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Daniels has a chance to become the first rookie quarterback
if they're able to win next week to start in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
What was your thought with his poise and and just the.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Way he was able to do what he did, just
like it was a regular season game and with so
much on the line.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Man, shout out to Cahone High School right here, and
I e he that's where he went. A good friend
of mine as the head coach there and coach the
I know his family well, been around him a long
time since he was a kid.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Him and C. J.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Stroud, Bryce Young, They're all from right here. Here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
He is playing like we used to play the Turkey
Bowl in the hood in the park.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
That is what he does.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
He doesn't know better, Matt, So I've been telling everybody
he about to go out here and do shit that
you ain't seen because he don't know better. He don't
know about pressure, he don't know about He's not supposed
to be here.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
He's been told Noah his whole life.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
He's like, man, fuck it, I'm out here just playing
in the street and his mechanics and his accuracy, his
arm level, strength, and the gods have touched him.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
He has gifted as shit and he out here just
playing street ball and he's doing it at all time high.
But Jared Goff, guess what, he got all these expectations.
So he out here tied his five versions of the
Volkswagen and he shouted down his leg like he always did.
There's a reason why, Matt, there's a reason why McVeigh
got rid of his ass. I'm just gonna keep it
rich and Stafford won a super Bowl. Golf has not,
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and Jayden Dan was about to do it. Man, he's
about to do something. I think he's gonna win next
week and have a rookie in the Super Bowl. And uh,
the reason why before the season, I said, Bears, you're
gonna kick yourself.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
This is the best QB in the draft. It ain't close.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
And he's taking the Commanders Matt to the playoffs, and man.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I got a question for you, though, I got to.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Interrupt you today today Monday, if you could say, you're you.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
And I got to vote on the MVP.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
After what we just saw this this first two rounds
of NFL playoffs, would you vote for Jon Daniels as
your MVP.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I mean it's hard, it's not hard not to.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I mean, obviously, you know, we've been able to see
what Saquan has done and and what Josh Allen's been
able to will his team to do. But yeah, he's
definitely right in that conversation and Commanders, you're right, That's
what I'm saying. You made a great point because sometimes
young teams don't know better. You know, you see it
in the NBA all the time, Like normally when you
get down to the finals, obviously normally, you know, experience
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takes over. But young teams are dangerous because they don't
give a fuck about pressure. They don't care about pressure,
they don't really really know, Hey, we're playing on you know,
we're playing with house money right now. And to your point,
with GoF all the pressure, the number one seed the
whole year, this is their year and then, like you said,
there was a reason why GoF was traded for Stafford
and why Stafford has won a ring, and GoF has
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kind of been there but not able to get his
team over the hunt. But I was really impressed and
I read something obviously back in his college days when
he was able to transfer to LSU, how he started
using VR in a speeded up, speed up simulation to
kind of read coverages and read defenses and be able
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to keep his mind sharp, particularly one time while he
had a concussion he couldn't actually practice. So have you
what are your thoughts on technology kind of stepping in
to this space and really preparing quarterbacks and hopefully not
only quarterbacks, but athletes in all spaces to kind of
simulate what they're going to see on that field or
on that basketball court.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Man, it's funny, Maxus.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I was talking about this the other day years ago,
especially when I was the head coach at Compton College.
We didn't have any resources, no money, nobody wanted to
help us. I'd bring the cues in, I'd bring the
kids in and we play. We play with poker chips,
So I'd take poker chips and I would I would
write on them. I would write on them left tackle, LT,
right tackle, r RT, I name all the defensive positions
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and I'd have the cues. Move them around, show me
the front, show me the coverage, show me our formation.
We did that and that was our VR method. But
then we advanced on and got on the sticks. So
we started getting with Madden and we would create our
offense on that and tell the kids, hey, this motherfucker's blitzen.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
And that was our VR back in the day.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
And now it's become full circle and now they're wearing
the whole thing, and now they get to do it
and simulate it in the four year schools, the big
time schools, Arizona State, LSU, those schools have had the
VR capabilities. At the JUCO level, we don't have it,
of course, so we got to create ways to do it,
and so it's been around. It's just a way of
how the head coach and the person that's innovating it
creates it with that QB. So I think it's a
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great tool for guys, especially now when we're in the
let's be let's be real, the softest generation of athletes,
these my vickers will miss for anything they can to hang. Now,
these my vickers will miss two weeks. So if they
continue to do that, guess what, let's let's think a
ways to allow them to keep sharp mentally and dr
is the way Probably.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, I love it. I think it's dope and it
just adds on to the aura.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Moving on, man, the Chiefs were able to handle the Texans.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
They have a chance to advance to the third straight
Super Bowl. A big matchup. I mean, my hat's off
to the Chiefs from a standpoint of Obviously their offense
hasn't been what it's been in previous years, and you
really just credit Patrick Mahomes for kind of willingness team.
Obviously Kelsey hasn't had the years he's had in the past,
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But somehow, some way, it's hard to bet against Mahomes
when it comes to when it really counts, when it
comes to winning time. So Chiefs were able to easily
handle the Texans with a chance to advance to their
third straight Super Bowl. Thoughts on Mahomes and just his
ability when everything is on the line to be at
his best and will his team to win. May his
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numbers may not be as impressive as they were before.
I don't feel like their offense is as strong as
it's been in the past. But somehow, some way, he
finds himself in the NFC Championship game again, or excuse me,
AFC Championship game again.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Yeah, your fans will know that me. You know, I'm
not the biggest advocate. I think Andy Reid is under
valued as a play caller because they have to do
so much with so little. Since Tyreek Kill got traded traded,
that offense has been kind of Let's be gimmicky in
a way that allows his strong suit to.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Get us to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Let's be honest, whether it's shovel pass its Kelsey off
of outside zone or power Reid or other ways in
the zone that any redes that no other coach does,
Let's be honest everything. Every week we're like, damn, look
at the shit that any Red's doing. And he's done
that for a long time. This is a team that's
led the league in yackyards for three years in a row,
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meaning that I can throw the ball right here to
Tyreek Hill, He'll take that screen eighty.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
It's not like we're dropping back.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
No more, Matt and this is quarterbacks across the league,
and we're just sitting here throwing dagger dig routes on
time and post come back and post curl.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
We don't do it no more.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
It's a league that's been so dumb down for whatever reason.
And there's a reason why I go on ramts with
Big Smithy on my show about how the coaches have
filled the black quarterback, but nobody want to get get
in that conversation. But this is what we're seeing. A
lot of cats is all right, you call this, we
run it. There's no more get to the line, like Matt,
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you and I all right, let's check this shit. Let's
get out of this play to this. And we're dumbing
it down for what I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I hate to see it, and I hate to see
that we continue to take these Greek athletes and then
limit them.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And it's crazy to me.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I want to see the greatness because we're seeing athletes
being just kind of like wasted, and we're looking at
quarterbacks and we're like, oh, maybe there's four or five
guys that could have played back when Manning and Breeze
and and Brady were playing.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
These guys can't play now because we don't teach them.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
But anyway, Mahomes to me is just benefited man from
a the rules.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Come on, Matt, you can't even be hit.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
And then Wade, you can't touch him.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I mean, you saw some ship when they tackled well
in the next you know, Lamar Jackson got tackled out
of the bails. They allowed him to be finish tacking.
You can't you can't touch Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
And then he flopping, he doing some lebron shit, Like
what the hell are you doing? Why is he flopping
at the bounds? Like it is what it is. They
have all eyes on them with the Swifties and all
that ship, so it is what it is. Kelsey had
a he finally he had a good game. He had
one hundred yards. I think he broke a lot of
records of the day he had. He had a he
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had a breakout game which helped them get over the top.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
But I've never seen a team I don't think I
think you could be he could check.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Me that had no turnovers and over one hundred yards
more offense and lost. The Houston Texas just accomplished that.
Like the Houston Texas didn't turn it over. They had
more yards. They actually dominated the game in every aspect,
and you got to do that pushes the coach, and
that's what we're talking about today. Over the great defense
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and the great time, you know, everything that they did.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
The Chiefs just finds way not to lose games.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
And that's why you got to credit teams that find
ways to lose them versus teams that.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Find out how not to lose them.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
And the Chiefs find just every year they don't lose
the game, whether it's a discipline, of a penalty or
what have you. We can argue the rests help them
and all that old shit. But Josh Allen yesterday proved
to me that he's grown because he found a way
and how not to.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Lose the game.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
And that's what a lot of people aren't talking about today.
But the Chiefs man will continue. I just hope Buffalo
wins and I'm tired.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Of seeing these fins. I just honest.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
But hey, that's a problem, mat right, that's a problem winners.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, right, Well, I think I think you know what
which you said speaks to experience, you know. I just
as we said, the commanders are too young to kind
of understand and feel the pressure and they let that slide. Normally,
experience helps you get by and Stroud put you know,
had a hell of a season and got the Texans
in position. But being in that position prior allowed the
Chiefs just not to lose that game, Like you said,
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for every reason, no turnovers for the Texans over, you know,
more than one hundred yards than the Chiefs had. But
the Chiefs found a way not to lose that game
and find themselves in the AFC Championship. Last, but not least,
the Bills squeaked past the Ravens Andrews.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Tough game. Tough game.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Obviously, you know, a fumble drops the two point conversion.
I don't like what I saw Lamar Jackson's press conference,
and he spoke to him, particularly Lamar Jackson having to
hold on to the ball, and he was really frustrated
with his self. But if you read the headlines, it's
some like hold on to the fucking ball. We can't
be doing it. But if you actually listen to what
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he said, I think the media purposely set it up
to act like he was talking to his tied end,
but he was really talking to hisself. So obviously the
media spin and shit is nothing new, but I didn't
really like that. But what do you think this game
does to Lamar's legacy? You know, obviously they had a chance.
They marched down. He throws a touchdown two point conversion
to tie up a minute left. Who knows what happens,
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but again, something small happens like this drop that ends
up having them looking on the outside looking in again.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Man, shout out.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
To my buddy, one of my best friends in the business,
T Martin, who's Lamar's quarterback coach right now in Baltimore,
won the Natty after Peyton at Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Obviously some Tim Martin is a legend.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Here's the thing we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I broke that down today on my show, that actual
SoundBite that the media has flipped and all that, and
it goes both ways. I kind of talked about how
Lamar is using it to help him and I and
we talked about, all right, we know he's not talking
to Andrews specifically. We discredit the Bills though, like like
you in the NBA Finals, like people were like, Okay,
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they had a low pursuit of a shooting percent his night. Well, no,
maybe they put the clamps on the ass and you
had Gary Payton out here defending these motherfuckers like Buffalo
calls the fumble, Matt, he shook this shit, and like
we're talking about what the Ravens didn't do instead of
what the Bills did.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
And Josh Allen, Josh allenter for one hundred and twenty yards.
He had a midass day one hundred and twenty yard performance.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
On Josh Allen's side, Lamar, mechanically, listen, he's a freak,
my buddy coachman Louisville, Garrick McGee, unbelievable talent, great kid,
all that shit, But mechanically he hasn't taken the next step,
which is going to cost him. And he's won three
games of seven years in the play else, Matt, he's
going to have to get over to Hump for us
to sit up here and talk about is he elite?
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Is he the next guy? Is he going to replace Mahomes? Maybe?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Or he's got to win one though, And that's just
how we judge people, you know, it's a result or
in the business.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
With that said, before we look at the next week's matchups.
Is he the NFL MVP.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Man?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It's so tough, man, This is his best year in
my opinion, much better than last year, much better than
last year when he won it. Josh Allen had a
better year last year and didn't get it, and now
this year he'll probably get it, because you know, we
don't let guys go back to back to back unless
it's a rod Er something like that.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
So I think this is my opinion.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Josh Allen lost Diggs, gave Davis he has Cook on offense,
and basically they got an older Amari Cooper which hasn't
really done anything with a rookie at wide out. They
have Dalton Knox a couple tight ends. But really, if
we're going to compare weapons, I always say, audition by
subtractions a real thing. Matt, you lost Diggs, which gave
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Josh Allen the autonomy now to not look over his
shoulder and somebody you know, bitching and moaning about getting.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Catches, and now Josh Allen went out and free balled it.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Right, He went out and freaked it because he's like,
I don't got to worry about nobody bitching and moaning,
and audition by subtractions a real thing. Buffalo bills to
me for that reason is the MVP, but Lamar statistically
this is best here, so like, how do you balance it?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Looking ahead, man, Conference Championship games is set Bills at
the Chiefs, Chiefs minus two commanders at the Eagles, Eagles
minus five and a half. Let's start with the Chiefs
and the Bills.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Who you got, man?
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Listen, I'm rolling with Josh Allen and the Bills to
finally go get it done. Here's why Josh didn't play
his best last week and got it done, and the
Chiefs are about to face the wrath with that dude
this week.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
He's going to run all over him.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
In my opinion of the one plus run game that
they'll create for him. It won't be slippery and slow snowy,
which I think affected him.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
He'll he'll end up getting it done this week.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
And uh and listen Eric Weddle, super Bowl champs on
my show every Monday. He was on this morning with
Sean King, another Super Bowl champ, and we were both.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Discussing this this morning, like wet on and then think the.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Chiefs got it locked up because of the lack of
weapons of Buffalo Bill's have And I'm going to pin
my ears back to stop Josh Allen. I won't have
no outside threats. All I got to stop is Alan
and Cook. I don't think it's that easy, though. Josh
Allen is an anomaly. He is John Elway with Troy
Aikman a mixed with Dan Marino and Lamar.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Like he's an anomaly.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Right, we see Cali Juco NorCal guy. But here I
think he won pluses them, and I think he gets
it done this week on a dry surface in Kansas City,
it won't be near as cold or wet as it
was in Buffalo. I think he'll actually flourish and get
it done for once and up in the two time.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Champ Commanders at the Eagles. Does this Cinderella tron continue
or does this stop in Philly?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Man?
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I think it continues. Man, It's gonna be crazy as hell.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Whoever bet this on DraftKings on, bet you, whoever on
all your guys, whoever's bet this before the season is
gonna come up because I think the Commanders end up
being in the Super Bowl. Man with a rookie, and
I think he doesn't know better, like we said, and
I think it continues. He already beat the Eagles the
last game of the year. He has it in his mouth,
the flavor. Like you said, Man, I don't think jay
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knows or cares. I think they continue, man. I think
they got that taste in their mouth. They beat the
Eagles the last game of the year. He's balled out
against Detroit. He's balled out against every team that you
could imagine. He's like, nobody can beat me, already tasted it.
I think Jalen Hurts eventually will bite them with the
lack of a passing ability on that team.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I think Washington d line is as good as it gets.
Their defense is playing lights out.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
And I think that Jayden Daniels to mcclaurin connection is
bigger than Jalen Hurts to a j Brown connection right now.
And I think there's some villains involved. I think there's
some villains involved. Jayden Brown, he's over there reading books
and shit. He is out and disengaged. Man, He's disengaged,
and you know, it's hard to be the star and
disengaged when it comes to winning a big game. I
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think that Washington's got everything. The momentum is going. You know,
momentum is huge in pro sports. Momentum is going. I'm
gonna take Washington Buffalo in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Man Washington and Buffalo crazy crazy when we get you
out of here.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I just came back from Colorado last night.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I did Prime in Roxy's We Got Time show, and
Stack asked Dion about him to the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I'll tell you what he told me. But what is
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
If they offer it, he gotta go. They just gotta go,
you know what I mean? Like, in my opinion, he
gotta do it. His sons are gone. You don't get
the opportunity too often and not There's thirty two of
those jobs, and Prime has been on record, I don't
want to recruit the home visit the high school kid.
I'm going to go about it as a professional manner
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and treat college like the NFL it is anyway, Why
wouldn't you do it in the NFL, because, especially Matt,
no one talked about with Prime's health and everything that
goes with it. I want to get out of the
damn cold and get my ass into some heats.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
And I just think that matters in the long run.
I think it matters a long run.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Got a house in Dallas. He coached in Dallas, he
played there. It makes sense to me. I don't know
it makes sense, but can you get out? Can you
get out of the DAK contract, Matt, that's the thing,
when you.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Get out of that, Prime said yesterday.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
There has been conversations between he and Jerry, not particularly
about that, but some other things around the game. So
who knows what that means, but we will see JV Man.
We appreciate you as normal man. Let me know when
you need me to come out there, be on the
show and get some of that barbecue, with some of
that drink with you.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Hey, super Bowl doll, come out fucking around.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Before we get out of here, shout out to our
partners at DraftKings. We are at the almost the end
of the season. The football season's gone by so fast, man.
AFC NFC Championship matchups are set. We got the Bills
at the Chiefs minus two. I want to see something new,
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I want to see something fresh. I'm gonna take the
Bills plus two to go into Kansas City and get
the win. And I'm gonna take the Commanders plus five
and a half with the banged up Jalen hurts, but
a sakuon Barkley hitting on all cylinders. I'm gonna take
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the Commanders plus five and a half to go into
Philly to be young and not give a fuck, and
for Jalen Daniels to be the first rookie quarterback to
ever start in the Super Bowl. Nate, I need an update, man,
of what my record's been this season. It's my first
time betting with points spreads, so I was appreciate you
guys kind of rolling along with that because it was
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ugly at some points. But I had a few nice weeks.
I had some unblemish weeks while you guys are over
here laughing. But man, but that's a wrap. Man unplugged again. Man,
send it love to everyone in LA. We will get
through this together. Plenty of donation sites. Make sure you
guys tap in, man. They're taking anything from diapers to shoes.
People lost their whole life's work, man, so anything will help.
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Thank you to all of everyone who's donated, everyone who
helped get us back to some sort of normalcy. And
we're praying for everybody in La.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Man.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
We'll see you guys next week.
Welcome back to Unplugged everybody. Obviously, we were on hiatus
last week due to the LA fires. As LA starts
to try to put itself back together, there are still
two fires that are burning, the Eating Fire and the
Palisades Fire. Hopefully those will be extinguished in the next
few days. But as I kind of sit back and
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just think about what happened, it's crazy to me. California
is known for two things, and that's earthquakes and wildfires.
And you hear all the stuff that went bad and
went wrong, and we weren't prepared. It's hard for me
to imagine that as much as we pay in taxes
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and as expenses as it is to live in California,
that we don't have the best in practice when it
comes to earthquakes and fires. Those are the two things
that California is known for, and we just weren't prepared.
We lost the zip codes through this fire. Several fires
were started, whether it be through power lines or the
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losers out there trying to light them. But you know,
my heart goes out to all the families who were
affected during this time. People lost houses, people lost their lives,
lost their livelihoods, but also want to thank all the
first responders, all the firefighters Mexico, Canada, everyone who tried
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to pitch in at a time of need for us. Obviously,
the people who are in charge are going to take
a lot of heat. You saw Mayor Karen Bass and
Gavin Newsom take a lot of heat for this, and
whether it's their faults or not, and you hear about
budgets being cut and whatnot. I think it's real wake
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up signed for people to understand that your local and
state voting is much more impactful to our day to
day lives than actual the federal vote is. And we
have to put people in charge. And I'm not saying
the people that are in charge now aren't adequate, but
we definitely weren't prepared for what took place starting on
January seventh in La. So as we move forward, I
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think pointing fingers is pointless. I just hope that we
learn from this, because we all know that we will
still have earthquakes, and we all know that nearly every
single year LA has fires. So I hope that we
learned a huge lesson from this and moving forward, will
be prepared for anything then mother Nature may throw our way.
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our thoughts and prayers are with everybody. Now I want
to welcome one of the hosts from ninety two point three,
one of the most influence white boys in the music space.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Jesus my God, cam Man.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Hey, that's saying something, though, man, because you have I
tell people, man, I don't take my voice in this
space for granted, you have a really respected voice in
a space that's not predominantly white, and.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
You're I'm obviously like a guest, you know, in the
house of hip hop, and you know, I've been doing
radio and hip hop has been my life since I
was a kid, so to be able to grow up
and turn it into my profession, and I don't take
it for advantage, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I also saw you nominated for a BT hip Hop
Award Best Platform, So congratulations.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That was cool for sure. Yeah, definitely the only white
that was nominated for that, So I'll take it, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Come on. Yeah, but let's get to business man.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So Drake had some stuff going on initially, and now
the actual lawsuit has been filed, not against Kendrick but
against UMG. So break this down where we're at and
kind of your point of view.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, listen my point of view.
It's been pretty honest on Twitter. Just from like a
hip hop perspective. I think this is the most you'd
like we always like would use jaw roll as like
a verb like oh, you got jaw ruled or whatever.
Like I feel like this is just like Miles and
Miles beyond the jaw roll thing. Like there was a
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there was supposed to be a petition for like information
that was like last I think it was late last
week or early this week. No, it was late last week.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Essentially they were like trying to get information from Spotify
and from iHeart Radio, and Drake was accusing like essentially
you know treatment that was was benefiting Kendrick and not
him from all these platforms, whether it was radio, whether
it was the streaming services.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But that same treatment has benefited Drake throughout his career.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Oh for sure. But also like so that that got
thrown out, and then a new official suit was filed
for defamation, which I thought was interesting because some of
the stuff in there was just funny, like he accused
Kendrick of be an anti Semitic when he had the
colonizer line, because Drake's obviously has Jewish heritage. And then
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he compared not Like Us. He called it the twenty
twenty four version of Pizzagate Jesus, which was like the
QA non conspiracy theory. And so it's just like a
lot of like big reaches and like, you know, speaking
from somebody who like plays a lot of Drake on
the radio, played a lot of Kendrick on the radio,
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like Not Like Us as a hit record, Like you
just can't like it just is what it is. You
cannot bought your way to a number one record. You
cannot like fake your way to culture, you know what
I'm saying. And so I just think that, you know,
Drake probably thought that I don't know who was advising
him in terms of like going for with this lawsuit
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and the optics of it. And you know, maybe the
beef did affect his negotiation pull with Universal because he
was in the middle of negotiating a deal. But I
think the after effects of his perception now moving forward
will probably cost him way more money than this lawsuit
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could ever get him. Even if he wins the lawsuit, would.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I would argue that his reaction to the loss has
hurt his reputation more than the actual loss did, because
I mean, at the end of the day, he's still Drake.
I mean, I'm I'm a I'm a huge Drake music fan,
always have been. He's held it down for the light skin.
But it's hard to condone and and back some of these,
you know, a lot of the moves he's making posts
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like he said, who's in this corner condoning this? But
I would say, you took the l in the and
let's keep it real up until not like us, it
was a coin flip.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Who was one?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I disagree, but I see that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, I'm not man, I'm a huge Kendrick fan, but
I'm also I also fucked with Drake and the fact
that Drake took on not just Kendrick, he took on
for sure people.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I said, you know what's funny.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I said that.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I said, like when when push ups came out, which
was like right after it, well not right after, but
like that dropped. It took a while for Drake to respond.
He was on tour and then push Ups came out
and he kind of had to respond to everybody. So
he had smoke for the weekend and he had everybody.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And so.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Once push Ups dropped, I said, well, you know what,
like that was kind of playful. Euphoria came out and
it just was like a real, like five minute long
like he really kind of deconstructed Drake as a human
and then also predicted so much of what was going
to happen. And you know, I think we also forget
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that Drake, Yeah, he kind of did some whost shit.
I mean he did he did an AI version of
Tupac and Snoop Crazy, and we just forget about that. Yeah,
and then he you know, he pretty much. I mean,
he did accuse Kendrick of beating his wife. He accus
Kendrick's best friend of being his Yeah, his his his,
(08:05):
his kid's dad. And so for me, it's like obviously
those things were within, like you know, the bounds of
a hip hop beef, because as we know, in hip hop,
like there's nothing limits, there's nothing off limits, and so
you know, did Tupac ever fucked Faith Evans. I don't
think we ever got a yes or no on that,
but he said it, and it just is what it is,
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you know, And so I just think that now. And
the other thing is he replied to not like us.
He put out the Hard Part six and that ship
was booty cheeks. So it's like, dude, if, like you said,
if he would have just kept it moving put I
mean I thought he was kind of on that path
because he jumped on the Sexy Red record and kind
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of made fun of the Bbo drizzy thing. I mean,
I think we would, we would just we'd forgive. I mean,
people take El's.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean, he was his back tobacco. Meek was tough,
he smoked me off, you.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Know, but me did what he had to do, head down,
released his own shit, and yeah, now it is you know,
now it is what it is. I kind of felt, obviously,
with Drake's talent, that could have happened. But again, I
feel like the path he's taken post L to me
on the outside of the public perception, because that's you know,
that's what we live by these days. I mean, he's
harmed hisself more than the L could ever harm.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Them, and nobody has benefited more from the Machine than Dread.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I mean, that's just a fact.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Like it's not even a discussion. I think they said
when Scorpion came out. Whenever that was, I think it
was twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, it was around the time
the Rockets or the Raptors won the finals.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But uh, he.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Had every major Spotify playlist cover at the same time
when that album dropped.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Incredible.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
So it's like, wait, so the machine worked for you,
then you weren't bitching then, you know what I mean.
And so to me, it's just it's just some real,
respectfully like bitch ash shit for real, Like I don't
understand it, because, like you said, Drake's an amazing artist.
He's biggest hit maker ever, He's the most prolific hit
maker we've ever had.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Well, his music have the same effects moving forward.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
No, no, no, no, no, I think it's I think it's
I think Drake better hope that. Uh, you know, the
pop fans and the girls and the girls don't give a
fun But even then it's like even the girls are
probably looking at.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Like corny shit.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's just a little hard to like because you know,
Drake will do the tough guy talk on some of
these records, like you just can't. There's just a certain
amount like Drake can't make certain types of records now
without people looking at him like he's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
I had the same thing, or like because he at
the time he had the ear of the streets that
at some points on some of his records, not all
of them, he's been able to play both sides. He's
been able to walk the yes sides. But I don't
think you can do that no more.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Do I think it's over?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Man?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I think this. I mean because if you think about
the like Drake is the he is the you know,
there's nobody you can't get bigger than Drake. No, so
when we think about John Rule, John Roull was huge, but.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
He wasn't Drake huge ahead of his time. But go
ahead the story.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
But it's like now, it's like, you know, we're gonna
look back and be like, damn Kendrick like not like
us literally like derailed Drake and made us all think
about him differently because look ether Nas beat jay Z, right,
I mean, and you can there's a toss up in
terms of like when you listen to takeover versus Ether,
(11:17):
which age better than all that. But at that time,
the perception was NAS one. And then even when the
Blueprint two came out, you know, people weren't because Jay
was still taking slight shots to NAS on Blueprint two.
But Jay wasn't like j J just weathered the storm. Bro.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
He took it like a bro.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
That was it. And to me, it's like people lose battles.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
This is it competitive.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
It's competitive.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's almost a sport and everybody's bound to lose. Drake
hasn't lost much, but he took an l but just
the way he went out.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
With I mean, this is the second time he's lost.
Shot to push your teeth, but you know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
He doesn't take many.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Moving on man, public perception of what happened with Dog,
she did and performed him and and Soldier performed at
hosted by David Sachs. People thought it was actually Trump's
inauguration and the social media world went crazy. But I
saw your tweet last night when I was in the
airport and I read it and it made a lot
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of sense.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, I mean, look, this is what I think is
like crazy is like I remember turning on CNN, was
it yesterday, and that's what kind of like it might
have been the day before because it had his face
next to like these country singers and like essentially saying
like artists performing at Trump's inauguration events, right, And so
you know at the end of and I've spoken with
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people close to Snoop about this, and I know you're
close with Snoop. At the end of the day, I
saw and what made me want to tweet this was
because I saw the video of him on stage and
I just saw like all these crypto brands behind. I
didn't see anything, nothing. And then it's like, Dude, at
the end of the day, Snoop is probably the most
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crypto forward thinking artist we've ever had.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No question.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
This guy was ahead of the curve on Sandbox. I
remember if people were spending real like six figures to
like have digital real estate next to his house on Sandbox.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Shout out to his son though his son in his lot, Homie.
I forgot his name, but they got Snoop all into
that and he mastered.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
It and then even like the Mount Westmore album, Yep,
he put that out as an NFT. First, you got
to think like when he acquired death Row, he pulled
off all his solo albums from the streaming services for
a couple of years. Like Doggy Style you could only
get on the on web three, you couldn't stream it
for a while. So like, this guy is like elbow
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deep in the crypto space, and people who are involved
in this event are like, it's like he knows them.
So it's not like you know, He's like these are
his people.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So what do you think the disconnect was with people
confusing it with Trump's inauguration and actually what it was.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So there was a flyer that I saw that said
the Crypto Ball, and then on the top of it
it said in honor of the first crypt President, Donald J. Trump,
And so again though that doesn't make it like an
official anogma, like Trump wasn't there, Like he was not there.
And then I have some people replying to my tweet
and they were like sending pictures of like Snoop taking
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a picture with some like kid who had a Maga
hat on, and it's like, yeah, it's a fucking crypto event, bro,
like most crypto bros are probably supporting Donald Trump though bros, right,
But to me, it's like what bothers me about it,
dude is like just seeing people not even add any
nuance or context to the event and just shitting on
Snoop and pulling up a video from twenty seventeen where
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he was essentially saying, you know, kind of shitting on
anybody who had performed for Trump because since then I
saw an article that he he said that he had
kind of like rethought his position on Trump since he uh,
part Intario. And so for me, it's like, look, man,
we're talking about Snoop dog and there's so many hip
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hop talking heads who took this as an opportunity, an
opportunity to just because there's there's really there's a real
economy behind this divisive ship and shipping on people. And
I'm like, not Snoop, bro, Like, if you're gonna do it,
like do it like with full context, because we're talking
about somebody who has been there for the youth for years.
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I mean, I don't know how many kids this dude
is coach that have made it to the NFL. Like
Snoop Dogg is like not the guy to like try
to run through the mud and act like he's a salad.
Like it's fucking Snoop, Like what are we talking.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
About the most famous person after the after? I mean
already before he would the path, the trajectory he was on,
but after the Olympics, like is the most.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
You do realize you're the most famous person alive. I
don't know who's more famous. Like I don't think Jordan
is more famous.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Than Snoop right now, I would argue, I would agree,
like back at.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like you know, in the nineties, Jordan was the most
famous person you know, but it's Snoop. Everybody knows Snoop,
your grandma nos Snoop. I mean he has got his
own damn elf on a shelf at Target.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Right now, because he had the elf on the shelf
at our crib with the kids tripping off of Snoop
on a stoop man Snoop on a stoop, and he
had a little blood. The Snoop on the stoop had
a little blood. I mean, he's just he's been able
to reinvent himself and stay relevant for so I mean
from where he started to where he is now. I
mean it's nothing but growth. But like you said in
your tweet, I mean he's brought nothing but smiles to
our faces for decades.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, and like this guy is a crypto guy though,
like he is in the space, so for him to
go to the crypto ball and there was a bunch
of people there, you know what I mean, there's a
ton of people there. So my whole thing is like,
if you're gonna bring that up and you're gonna just
post this video from twenty seventeen side by side with
Snoop on stage, it's just to me, it's just opportunistic.
(16:44):
This soap box shit gotta stop, man, because at the
end of the day, man, whether or not you voted
for Trump or you voted for Kamla, it's like, bro,
your neighbor, there's people in your family who who voted
for either way. Right, So it's like, you know, there's
just there's a bit of a real economy developed. I
mean it's always been this way, but you know, the
divisiveness of our country, there's money behind that.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It's like, yeah, people make full livings just making us
hate each other. And it's like, don't make us hate Snoop.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Though, yeah, come on, it's Snoop Dog. I think that's
off limits.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I always because my group chat, I was some of
the homies in the group chat man. I'm like, come on, Fellas,
I'm a hold and I was one person. I'm gonna
hold off until I know the full context of this
because I know him too well to kind of cross.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
But yeah, like the inauguration is today and there's gonna
be people performing there. Yeah Snoop won't be one of them. Yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So Jellow Ball sign a deal with deaf Jam. Obviously
we're hearing it's a thirteen million dollar deal, eight million guarantee.
Can you break that down from what you know and
exactly what is going on because it's not always what
it seems.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
So typically that's an advance on the royalties for that song.
So I'm not sure what the up to thirteen million includes,
but if he got eight million dollars up front, it's
probably a single deal I would assume for a single maybe,
And if it is, that's insane crazy the way that's
like crazy that that's a lot of money. But how
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it would work is if he got eight million bucks,
that song would have I don't know what his royalty
rate is or whatever, but let's say it's not fifty
to fifty if it's deph Jam, but let's say it's
a fifty to fifty deal, which is not because def
Jam's it's probably like an eighty five to fifteen or
something like that. But uh, for math purposes to break
it down, make it easier. He's getting an advance on
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his portion of his royalties. So if it's an eight
million dollar advance, that would mean the song would have
to make sixteen million dollars for him to break even.
But he's got eight million in his pocket. So if
the song doesn't recoup, I mean, that's on def Jam.
They they ate the l so, but that's a lot
of money. Like I know very big artists who have
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platinum records who get a million dollars from that same
label when they turn an album in.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
What's what's next from? How does he make this into
a career? He just got to I don't know man
to keep he? I mean, because he's got to put
out he's got it. I mean an album? Is it
more singles? I mean, what's the what's the I mean,
because this is new, this is it's probably singles. It's
a legitimate former athlete that's crossed over into the music
space has made a hit.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
But to me, what's now? And I'm happy for bro
like I fucked with that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I fuck, he already won if he doesn't do anything
else after.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
This, no question.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
The fact he got that bag from death, no question,
he already won.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So for me, it's that low. It's just like one.
You know, this was like a flash in the pan
viral moment, right, So is there more where that came from?
We'll have to find out, right.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Like you said, even if it's a one hit to
wonder you won.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
He won already And I mean, look he probably you.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Know, fucking with it. There's gonna be remixes and everything
done to it.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And he's forever going to be blamed by Lions fans.
Is the reason why they got fucking smoked by the commanders.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's number twenty nine on the Billboard Hot one hundred
right now, So it's.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
That's that's big. Come on huge to him. And hey,
LeVar balls a g.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
He's a hustler. I mean three for three, come on
all this boys here. I ain't mad at that. Anything
you got coming on working on this year at the
top of the year.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, I mean I just opened a pizza restaurant. Birdman
called what updo?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, I got a nightclub in Scottstale is doing really
well eleven eleven. And then just the podcast, the radio
show we're on in like one hundred markets now, damn
near one hundred, close to one hundred, and yeah, the
podcast is you know, we're just doing our thing, man, congratulation.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We need to we need to get what up do
catered here one day.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Anytime, yea, yeah, I'll bring it over for just let
me know when you want it. Man, we got some heat.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I love it, man. I appreciate your time, yes, sir,
no doubt. Switching gears. We want to bring a friend
of the program in coach JB. Coach you ruffled some
feathers and was talking your ship last time he was
out here. Man, we appreciate your time for coming back
and messing with.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Us always always, brother, I love it. I love it, man.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Hey, I tell people all the time, grown folks supposed
to be able to disagree.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Great, great conversation.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And you were great at and you were great at that.
So yeah, JB.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
There was a lot of great football this weekend. You know,
the matchups are set for the NFC and the AFC
Championship games, but let's start in the NFC. As the
Eagles ran all over the Rams and snowy Philadelphia, Saquon
went for two hundred and what five or six yards
from scrimmage. He's one hundred and forty seven yards away
from breaking Terrell Davis's record in two games this year
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versus the Rams, Saquon has over five hundred yards this season.
So the weather was a big factor in this game.
Normally in snowy games, you're not gonna be able to
throw the ball. Well, Saquon said, no need to throw
the ball, just handed to me.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
What did you see in that game?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeah, the weather saved the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I thought the Rams win that game hands down.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Stafford I think is the best ball spinner in football,
pure ball spinner, as far as old school traditional pocket guy.
He threw for what three twenty four and two touchdowns
in the snow. I mean, he's unbelievable. The no look
he's the original no look guy. Not Mahomes by the way,
But a lot of people don't know that, but listen
here it is. I said, if you don't know this,
McVeigh in his coaching career in the playoffs has never
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allowed one hundred yard back and I said if he
can hold Sa Kwan down and not do a repeat
on what they had regular year back here in so
far that the Rams win the game hands down. Jalen Hurts,
in my opinion, isn't ready to take that next step
yet throw in the football. But his feet is what
won the game. In my opinion, I think hertzfeed actually
won the game. Sa Kwan just established the offense and
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what he did, so they did a decent job with
them early. But he broke those two runs. Man, that
just broke the camel's back. And then that's ultimately what happened.
And listen, I'm not gonna I'm not going to second
guess McVeigh, who I think is the top three coach
in the league. But it was third and two and
if you run the football right there, you get a
first down. The Rams win that game. In my opinion,
they throw it. He was an empty a few times
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and threw the ball on third down. And I love
him as a ball spinder, but he is not Lamar,
He's not Josh Allen. He is not Jalen Hurts to
being empty back there as a sitting duck and getting
stuff with you're dicking your hand when they changed the
coverage up as well as the Eagles did.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's what cost them. In my opinion. They run the
ball right there, get a first. I think the Rams
win as a minute last. They win the game. And
here's the big pictures, Matt. We're here in.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
La at Sofi next week hosting the Commanders. After the
fires and after all this crazy catastrophe. That would have
been a great thing for La so I was rooting
for the Rams last night. But it is what it is, football,
God said.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Otherwise, Washington Commanders went into Detroit and knocked out the
number one seed in the NFC. Before we talk about
that game, coach, what was your thoughts on Jello Ball's
pregame performance of his smash hit in front of seventy
thousand people.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Man, I didn't see too much of it, but apparently
he getting his Uh he got a deal and all
kinds of shit.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Huh, So I got a deal off?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Hey, that's hey, Matt, That's the thing. I'm the hater though,
when I say it, these cats investment in their sport,
this cat's investment in their particular sport. Lacks like were
worried about other shit too much. That's why the NBA
and the NFL and all this shit is not the same.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Man.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
It's hard to watch this ship Nowaday, we got too
much other shit going on. Do that ship when you retired, though.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think he kind of found his laie rapping though.
We gonna see man. But let's get to the game,
uh Man.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
JD.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Daniels has a chance to become the first rookie quarterback
if they're able to win next week to start in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
What was your thought with his poise and and just the.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Way he was able to do what he did, just
like it was a regular season game and with so
much on the line.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Man, shout out to Cahone High School right here, and
I e he that's where he went. A good friend
of mine as the head coach there and coach the
I know his family well, been around him a long
time since he was a kid.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Him and C. J.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Stroud, Bryce Young, They're all from right here. Here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
He is playing like we used to play the Turkey
Bowl in the hood in the park.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
That is what he does.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
He doesn't know better, Matt, So I've been telling everybody
he about to go out here and do shit that
you ain't seen because he don't know better. He don't
know about pressure, he don't know about He's not supposed
to be here.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
He's been told Noah his whole life.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
He's like, man, fuck it, I'm out here just playing
in the street and his mechanics and his accuracy, his
arm level, strength, and the gods have touched him.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
He has gifted as shit and he out here just
playing street ball and he's doing it at all time high.
But Jared Goff, guess what, he got all these expectations.
So he out here tied his five versions of the
Volkswagen and he shouted down his leg like he always did.
There's a reason why, Matt, there's a reason why McVeigh
got rid of his ass. I'm just gonna keep it
rich and Stafford won a super Bowl. Golf has not,
(25:59):
and Jayden Dan was about to do it. Man, he's
about to do something. I think he's gonna win next
week and have a rookie in the Super Bowl. And uh,
the reason why before the season, I said, Bears, you're
gonna kick yourself.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
This is the best QB in the draft. It ain't close.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
And he's taking the Commanders Matt to the playoffs, and man.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I got a question for you, though, I got to.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Interrupt you today today Monday, if you could say, you're you.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
And I got to vote on the MVP.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
After what we just saw this this first two rounds
of NFL playoffs, would you vote for Jon Daniels as
your MVP.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I mean it's hard, it's not hard not to.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I mean, obviously, you know, we've been able to see
what Saquan has done and and what Josh Allen's been
able to will his team to do. But yeah, he's
definitely right in that conversation and Commanders, you're right, That's
what I'm saying. You made a great point because sometimes
young teams don't know better. You know, you see it
in the NBA all the time, Like normally when you
get down to the finals, obviously normally, you know, experience
(26:56):
takes over. But young teams are dangerous because they don't
give a fuck about pressure. They don't care about pressure,
they don't really really know, Hey, we're playing on you know,
we're playing with house money right now. And to your point,
with GoF all the pressure, the number one seed the
whole year, this is their year and then, like you said,
there was a reason why GoF was traded for Stafford
and why Stafford has won a ring, and GoF has
(27:17):
kind of been there but not able to get his
team over the hunt. But I was really impressed and
I read something obviously back in his college days when
he was able to transfer to LSU, how he started
using VR in a speeded up, speed up simulation to
kind of read coverages and read defenses and be able
(27:37):
to keep his mind sharp, particularly one time while he
had a concussion he couldn't actually practice. So have you
what are your thoughts on technology kind of stepping in
to this space and really preparing quarterbacks and hopefully not
only quarterbacks, but athletes in all spaces to kind of
simulate what they're going to see on that field or
on that basketball court.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Man, it's funny, Maxus.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I was talking about this the other day years ago,
especially when I was the head coach at Compton College.
We didn't have any resources, no money, nobody wanted to
help us. I'd bring the cues in, I'd bring the
kids in and we play. We play with poker chips,
So I'd take poker chips and I would I would
write on them. I would write on them left tackle, LT,
right tackle, r RT, I name all the defensive positions
(28:20):
and I'd have the cues. Move them around, show me
the front, show me the coverage, show me our formation.
We did that and that was our VR method. But
then we advanced on and got on the sticks. So
we started getting with Madden and we would create our
offense on that and tell the kids, hey, this motherfucker's blitzen.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
And that was our VR back in the day.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
And now it's become full circle and now they're wearing
the whole thing, and now they get to do it
and simulate it in the four year schools, the big
time schools, Arizona State, LSU, those schools have had the
VR capabilities. At the JUCO level, we don't have it,
of course, so we got to create ways to do it,
and so it's been around. It's just a way of
how the head coach and the person that's innovating it
creates it with that QB. So I think it's a
(29:05):
great tool for guys, especially now when we're in the
let's be let's be real, the softest generation of athletes,
these my vickers will miss for anything they can to hang. Now,
these my vickers will miss two weeks. So if they
continue to do that, guess what, let's let's think a
ways to allow them to keep sharp mentally and dr
is the way Probably.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, I love it. I think it's dope and it
just adds on to the aura.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Moving on, man, the Chiefs were able to handle the Texans.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
They have a chance to advance to the third straight
Super Bowl. A big matchup. I mean, my hat's off
to the Chiefs from a standpoint of Obviously their offense
hasn't been what it's been in previous years, and you
really just credit Patrick Mahomes for kind of willingness team.
Obviously Kelsey hasn't had the years he's had in the past,
(29:56):
But somehow, some way, it's hard to bet against Mahomes
when it comes to when it really counts, when it
comes to winning time. So Chiefs were able to easily
handle the Texans with a chance to advance to their
third straight Super Bowl. Thoughts on Mahomes and just his
ability when everything is on the line to be at
his best and will his team to win. May his
(30:18):
numbers may not be as impressive as they were before.
I don't feel like their offense is as strong as
it's been in the past. But somehow, some way, he
finds himself in the NFC Championship game again, or excuse me,
AFC Championship game again.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Yeah, your fans will know that me. You know, I'm
not the biggest advocate. I think Andy Reid is under
valued as a play caller because they have to do
so much with so little. Since Tyreek Kill got traded traded,
that offense has been kind of Let's be gimmicky in
a way that allows his strong suit to.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Get us to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Let's be honest, whether it's shovel pass its Kelsey off
of outside zone or power Reid or other ways in
the zone that any redes that no other coach does,
Let's be honest everything. Every week we're like, damn, look
at the shit that any Red's doing. And he's done
that for a long time. This is a team that's
led the league in yackyards for three years in a row,
(31:13):
meaning that I can throw the ball right here to
Tyreek Hill, He'll take that screen eighty.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
It's not like we're dropping back.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
No more, Matt and this is quarterbacks across the league,
and we're just sitting here throwing dagger dig routes on
time and post come back and post curl.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
We don't do it no more.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
It's a league that's been so dumb down for whatever reason.
And there's a reason why I go on ramts with
Big Smithy on my show about how the coaches have
filled the black quarterback, but nobody want to get get
in that conversation. But this is what we're seeing. A
lot of cats is all right, you call this, we
run it. There's no more get to the line, like Matt,
(31:49):
you and I all right, let's check this shit. Let's
get out of this play to this. And we're dumbing
it down for what I have no idea.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I hate to see it, and I hate to see
that we continue to take these Greek athletes and then
limit them.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And it's crazy to me.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I want to see the greatness because we're seeing athletes
being just kind of like wasted, and we're looking at
quarterbacks and we're like, oh, maybe there's four or five
guys that could have played back when Manning and Breeze
and and Brady were playing.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
These guys can't play now because we don't teach them.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
But anyway, Mahomes to me is just benefited man from
a the rules.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Come on, Matt, you can't even be hit.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
And then Wade, you can't touch him.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I mean, you saw some ship when they tackled well
in the next you know, Lamar Jackson got tackled out
of the bails. They allowed him to be finish tacking.
You can't you can't touch Mahomes.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
And then he flopping, he doing some lebron shit, Like
what the hell are you doing? Why is he flopping
at the bounds? Like it is what it is. They
have all eyes on them with the Swifties and all
that ship, so it is what it is. Kelsey had
a he finally he had a good game. He had
one hundred yards. I think he broke a lot of
records of the day he had. He had a he
(32:59):
had a breakout game which helped them get over the top.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
But I've never seen a team I don't think I
think you could be he could check.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Me that had no turnovers and over one hundred yards
more offense and lost. The Houston Texas just accomplished that.
Like the Houston Texas didn't turn it over. They had
more yards. They actually dominated the game in every aspect,
and you got to do that pushes the coach, and
that's what we're talking about today. Over the great defense
(33:26):
and the great time, you know, everything that they did.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
The Chiefs just finds way not to lose games.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
And that's why you got to credit teams that find
ways to lose them versus teams that.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Find out how not to lose them.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
And the Chiefs find just every year they don't lose
the game, whether it's a discipline, of a penalty or
what have you. We can argue the rests help them
and all that old shit. But Josh Allen yesterday proved
to me that he's grown because he found a way
and how not to.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Lose the game.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
And that's what a lot of people aren't talking about today.
But the Chiefs man will continue. I just hope Buffalo
wins and I'm tired.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Of seeing these fins. I just honest.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
But hey, that's a problem, mat right, that's a problem winners.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, right, Well, I think I think you know what
which you said speaks to experience, you know. I just
as we said, the commanders are too young to kind
of understand and feel the pressure and they let that slide. Normally,
experience helps you get by and Stroud put you know,
had a hell of a season and got the Texans
in position. But being in that position prior allowed the
Chiefs just not to lose that game, Like you said,
(34:29):
for every reason, no turnovers for the Texans over, you know,
more than one hundred yards than the Chiefs had. But
the Chiefs found a way not to lose that game
and find themselves in the AFC Championship. Last, but not least,
the Bills squeaked past the Ravens Andrews.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Tough game. Tough game.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Obviously, you know, a fumble drops the two point conversion.
I don't like what I saw Lamar Jackson's press conference,
and he spoke to him, particularly Lamar Jackson having to
hold on to the ball, and he was really frustrated
with his self. But if you read the headlines, it's
some like hold on to the fucking ball. We can't
be doing it. But if you actually listen to what
(35:10):
he said, I think the media purposely set it up
to act like he was talking to his tied end,
but he was really talking to hisself. So obviously the
media spin and shit is nothing new, but I didn't
really like that. But what do you think this game
does to Lamar's legacy? You know, obviously they had a chance.
They marched down. He throws a touchdown two point conversion
to tie up a minute left. Who knows what happens,
(35:32):
but again, something small happens like this drop that ends
up having them looking on the outside looking in again.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Man, shout out.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
To my buddy, one of my best friends in the business,
T Martin, who's Lamar's quarterback coach right now in Baltimore,
won the Natty after Peyton at Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Obviously some Tim Martin is a legend.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Here's the thing we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I broke that down today on my show, that actual
SoundBite that the media has flipped and all that, and
it goes both ways. I kind of talked about how
Lamar is using it to help him and I and
we talked about, all right, we know he's not talking
to Andrews specifically. We discredit the Bills though, like like
you in the NBA Finals, like people were like, Okay,
(36:20):
they had a low pursuit of a shooting percent his night. Well, no,
maybe they put the clamps on the ass and you
had Gary Payton out here defending these motherfuckers like Buffalo
calls the fumble, Matt, he shook this shit, and like
we're talking about what the Ravens didn't do instead of
what the Bills did.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
And Josh Allen, Josh allenter for one hundred and twenty yards.
He had a midass day one hundred and twenty yard performance.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
On Josh Allen's side, Lamar, mechanically, listen, he's a freak,
my buddy coachman Louisville, Garrick McGee, unbelievable talent, great kid,
all that shit, But mechanically he hasn't taken the next step,
which is going to cost him. And he's won three
games of seven years in the play else, Matt, he's
going to have to get over to Hump for us
to sit up here and talk about is he elite?
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Is he the next guy? Is he going to replace Mahomes? Maybe?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Or he's got to win one though, And that's just
how we judge people, you know, it's a result or
in the business.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
With that said, before we look at the next week's matchups.
Is he the NFL MVP.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Man?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
It's so tough, man, This is his best year in
my opinion, much better than last year, much better than
last year when he won it. Josh Allen had a
better year last year and didn't get it, and now
this year he'll probably get it, because you know, we
don't let guys go back to back to back unless
it's a rod Er something like that.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
So I think this is my opinion.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Josh Allen lost Diggs, gave Davis he has Cook on offense,
and basically they got an older Amari Cooper which hasn't
really done anything with a rookie at wide out. They
have Dalton Knox a couple tight ends. But really, if
we're going to compare weapons, I always say, audition by
subtractions a real thing. Matt, you lost Diggs, which gave
(38:08):
Josh Allen the autonomy now to not look over his
shoulder and somebody you know, bitching and moaning about getting.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Catches, and now Josh Allen went out and free balled it.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Right, He went out and freaked it because he's like,
I don't got to worry about nobody bitching and moaning,
and audition by subtractions a real thing. Buffalo bills to
me for that reason is the MVP, but Lamar statistically
this is best here, so like, how do you balance it?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Looking ahead, man, Conference Championship games is set Bills at
the Chiefs, Chiefs minus two commanders at the Eagles, Eagles
minus five and a half. Let's start with the Chiefs
and the Bills.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Who you got, man?
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Listen, I'm rolling with Josh Allen and the Bills to
finally go get it done. Here's why Josh didn't play
his best last week and got it done, and the
Chiefs are about to face the wrath with that dude
this week.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
He's going to run all over him.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
In my opinion of the one plus run game that
they'll create for him. It won't be slippery and slow snowy,
which I think affected him.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
He'll he'll end up getting it done this week.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
And uh and listen Eric Weddle, super Bowl champs on
my show every Monday. He was on this morning with
Sean King, another Super Bowl champ, and we were both.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Discussing this this morning, like wet on and then think the.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Chiefs got it locked up because of the lack of
weapons of Buffalo Bill's have And I'm going to pin
my ears back to stop Josh Allen. I won't have
no outside threats. All I got to stop is Alan
and Cook. I don't think it's that easy, though. Josh
Allen is an anomaly. He is John Elway with Troy
Aikman a mixed with Dan Marino and Lamar.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Like he's an anomaly.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Right, we see Cali Juco NorCal guy. But here I
think he won pluses them, and I think he gets
it done this week on a dry surface in Kansas City,
it won't be near as cold or wet as it
was in Buffalo. I think he'll actually flourish and get
it done for once and up in the two time.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Champ Commanders at the Eagles. Does this Cinderella tron continue
or does this stop in Philly?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Man?
Speaker 4 (40:11):
I think it continues. Man, It's gonna be crazy as hell.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Whoever bet this on DraftKings on, bet you, whoever on
all your guys, whoever's bet this before the season is
gonna come up because I think the Commanders end up
being in the Super Bowl. Man with a rookie, and
I think he doesn't know better, like we said, and
I think it continues. He already beat the Eagles the
last game of the year. He has it in his mouth,
the flavor. Like you said, Man, I don't think jay
(40:35):
knows or cares. I think they continue, man. I think
they got that taste in their mouth. They beat the
Eagles the last game of the year. He's balled out
against Detroit. He's balled out against every team that you
could imagine. He's like, nobody can beat me, already tasted it.
I think Jalen Hurts eventually will bite them with the
lack of a passing ability on that team.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I think Washington d line is as good as it gets.
Their defense is playing lights out.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
And I think that Jayden Daniels to mcclaurin connection is
bigger than Jalen Hurts to a j Brown connection right now.
And I think there's some villains involved. I think there's
some villains involved. Jayden Brown, he's over there reading books
and shit. He is out and disengaged. Man, He's disengaged,
and you know, it's hard to be the star and
disengaged when it comes to winning a big game. I
(41:20):
think that Washington's got everything. The momentum is going. You know,
momentum is huge in pro sports. Momentum is going. I'm
gonna take Washington Buffalo in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Man Washington and Buffalo crazy crazy when we get you
out of here.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I just came back from Colorado last night.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I did Prime in Roxy's We Got Time show, and
Stack asked Dion about him to the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I'll tell you what he told me. But what is
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
If they offer it, he gotta go. They just gotta go,
you know what I mean? Like, in my opinion, he
gotta do it. His sons are gone. You don't get
the opportunity too often and not There's thirty two of
those jobs, and Prime has been on record, I don't
want to recruit the home visit the high school kid.
I'm going to go about it as a professional manner
(42:06):
and treat college like the NFL it is anyway, Why
wouldn't you do it in the NFL, because, especially Matt,
no one talked about with Prime's health and everything that
goes with it. I want to get out of the
damn cold and get my ass into some heats.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
And I just think that matters in the long run.
I think it matters a long run.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Got a house in Dallas. He coached in Dallas, he
played there. It makes sense to me. I don't know
it makes sense, but can you get out? Can you
get out of the DAK contract, Matt, that's the thing,
when you.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Get out of that, Prime said yesterday.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
There has been conversations between he and Jerry, not particularly
about that, but some other things around the game. So
who knows what that means, but we will see JV Man.
We appreciate you as normal man. Let me know when
you need me to come out there, be on the
show and get some of that barbecue, with some of
that drink with you.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Hey, super Bowl doll, come out fucking around.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Before we get out of here, shout out to our
partners at DraftKings. We are at the almost the end
of the season. The football season's gone by so fast, man.
AFC NFC Championship matchups are set. We got the Bills
at the Chiefs minus two. I want to see something new,
(43:22):
I want to see something fresh. I'm gonna take the
Bills plus two to go into Kansas City and get
the win. And I'm gonna take the Commanders plus five
and a half with the banged up Jalen hurts, but
a sakuon Barkley hitting on all cylinders. I'm gonna take
(43:44):
the Commanders plus five and a half to go into
Philly to be young and not give a fuck, and
for Jalen Daniels to be the first rookie quarterback to
ever start in the Super Bowl. Nate, I need an update, man,
of what my record's been this season. It's my first
time betting with points spreads, so I was appreciate you
guys kind of rolling along with that because it was
(44:05):
ugly at some points. But I had a few nice weeks.
I had some unblemish weeks while you guys are over
here laughing. But man, but that's a wrap. Man unplugged again. Man,
send it love to everyone in LA. We will get
through this together. Plenty of donation sites. Make sure you
guys tap in, man. They're taking anything from diapers to shoes.
People lost their whole life's work, man, so anything will help.
(44:29):
Thank you to all of everyone who's donated, everyone who
helped get us back to some sort of normalcy. And
we're praying for everybody in La.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Man.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
We'll see you guys next week.
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