E-40 & Too $hort | Ep 75 | ALL THE SMOKE Full Episode | SHOWTIME Basketball - All The Smoke

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome
back to a very special Legends edition of All the Smoke. Jack,
what's up with you? Man? I'm good Man, I'm happy today. Man.
This is this is some real big hey. We got
we got some real ship today. Jack. We got two
legends man been in the game over thirty five years

(00:23):
each and still pushing. Man. Welcome to the show. E
forty and Too Short. We appreciate you all, man, Man, legends.
Man appreciate you'all. What's up? What's up to on this platform? Man?
We appreciate we We heard they said, uh, we got
short and forty. That's good. I was like, huh, both
of them? Sto what like it? In yes, sir man, Man,

(00:47):
we appreciate you all. Man. So I'm gonna get right
to it. Mount Westmore, what's that mean? Talk to us?
It's big? I see I hear Let him know Short,
explain that project? So Mount Westmore is it is uh

(01:08):
Snoop Dogg, ice Cube, forty and Too Short, and we
all came together to do a project. And it's not
it's it's not an album. It's it's just a lot,
a lot of lot of music that it's probably gonna
be probably like three projects when it's all setting done.
But the whole point of it is we we do

(01:31):
a lot of shows together, and every time we do
a show, the show sells out. And basically ice Cube
forty forty his manager ran it down to ice Cube forty,
ice Q ran it down to me. We all called Snoop.
Everybody's on board, and it's like instead of like having

(01:52):
some promoter book us to do a show call off
for agency managers and stuff, we we we just came
together vote Troyn and it's like, now we control the beach,
you know what I mean? We we we can we
control everything. And then and then instantly when we joined forces,
all these other doors start opening up, Like what no
matter what's going on in each one of our lives

(02:14):
business wise, now we just opened up a whole new
can of worms, and what can we do as a partnership.
So people have been saying like, you guys are a
supergroup and we're kind of like been like Nab were
just really just a business man. We just came together
and make a whole lot of bread together. So you know,
give me your spin on the earl. You said, you
know we you know, we're a little bit of everything.

(02:35):
We wear many hats, everybody play their position. You know.
We we are lllc's you understand me. We are and
you know sure don't like call him the supergroup, but
that's that's just the word. It is that we're super
we are supergroup. May you know we you got two
of the best you understand me, from northern California, which
is up top, and then you got two of the

(02:56):
best from Southern California, which is you know down south.
You know, Southern can for you. So you know that's
La La land. You got the Ya area, You got
a lot of land you dig. Yeah, yeah, man. So
you know we put it together like the weather. You
dig and we and Shure might say we got three
some three hours and we got we got four of
them things. Because every day we're turning in new tracks.

(03:18):
We ain't stopping, we ain't letting up, and it's just
it's just what we do anyway, you know, especially during
during the planned dimmic, we got a little more time
on our hand, you feel me. So we we got
a lot of a lot of planning we all are
doing we you know we we we um we're perfecting
our passing projects. You know, we got a lot going on,
and you know we ain't gonna let grass growing too
our feet. Man, We're gonna keep it moving hell on

(03:40):
as you should. During the klandemic, Jack, I know you
caught that. Do we have a we got a target
date for the drop or for the drop for the
first project. Just look out for like look out for
like some visuals. Man. You know we got you know,
snoop dog snoop Dogs a superstar, like a mega starter
man got was seventy million and something on Instagram or something.

(04:02):
But you know, uh ice Ki was a filmmaker and
he's real passionate about what the visuals of Mault Westmore
are gonna look like. So we're in good hands. May
know what I'm saying that, uh we got forty the
hustling in the group, you know what I mean? Like
like every phone call is another there's another like business venture.
Every time I pick up the phone. With these deals,

(04:24):
they're like many we got hey, we can speaking a bit,
so we got so we just pitched Snooped this business project.
And his manager, white Boy Calves, like, Yo, we need
to piss this to the whole uh, the Westmore group.
So we got something waiting on deck for y'all too,
So we're gonna bring it to you in about a
week or so. It's something heavy exactly. Yeah. I hope

(04:44):
we do link up, man because uh, you know so
um obviously a year to forget a lot of terrible
ship happened. What did you guys take away from you know,
with did was to some of the not just not
us because we you know us, A lot of us
are really really close to our families, you know, but

(05:05):
it's some, it's some. It's some people that work a
lot and they travel and they're really not home with
their family. I think what it did was brought families
closer together when you know, you can find and I
don't care if you in together or the suburbs, wherever
you at. I think it brought a lot of people
together that it brought the key is closer to their dads,
their parents, mom, you know, the daughters close to their mom,

(05:27):
the sons closer to their dad. You know, a lot
of cats don't even know how to you know, take
some take take some nails and do the and and
take a bent nail and straighten it out and reuse
it again. You know, some people don't know how to
cut grass. They may they may have learned that in
the last nine ten months, you know, dealing with dealing
with the plandemic. You did what I'm saying. You know,

(05:48):
some some some of the female or some of the
little young ladies, they might not have knew how to cook.
Now they there, you know, got Martha Stewart's status. Now
you ain't telling that, you know, you know, you know
you look at it like this too. Man. So you've
got guys like us who for years a lot of
people are in the position that we're in, Like there

(06:10):
was a steady income stream and a you know, a
large part of our careers were to travel around and
perform for people, and that that brought in a lot
of a lot of income. So you kicked back and
you get all this time, and you know, on one end,
you're like, I do feel like there's a lot of
value and having more time to not be traveling around

(06:31):
in the airports all the time and hotels. But then
on the other side, you're like, man, what am I
gonna do about this paper that ain't coming in no
more So if you're a real hustling, you sit around
and you know, they said it was gonna be two
weeks time out, then it was gonna be a month.
He was gonna be back up and running April. I'm
sitting around going, you know, it's like, May, we ain't
getting out this this pandemic. I'm like, bro, we gotta

(06:53):
get on the grind, you know what I'm saying. So basically,
when you lose all the distractions of what what life
was with the airplanes all the time, got all these engagements,
it's always like a red carpet Evan, Now I'm one
of this, this, this part of this club, this this,
you know what I'm saying, listening party. It's just always
it was always something every day, all day, and that

(07:14):
kind of that whole socializing at the Flash restaurant every day.
You know, all that kind of slowed down and all
you got is time, and you're like, Okay, what am
I gonna do it this time? I'm a hustler. You
just start zoom meetings, phone calls, whatever it was, and
you know, and and and and it's like whoa. The
whole a whole new world opened up that. You know,

(07:36):
if you're hustling, you just adapt. So I know there's
a lot of people out here that ain't doing good
through this. A lot of people are thriving through this.
But I'm like, if you're hustling, you are hustler, go
for it. Just if you ain't, if you ain't out
that socializing, get on clubhouse and socialize, do something, get
it going, keep it going. Definitely was I there. You know,
Jack and I have been blessed from that kind of standpoint.

(07:57):
Obviously he lost his brother George, but we've been able
to hustle through the pandemic. You know, this is when
we really we kind of trying to strategize, like what
what do our fans need in this pandemic? You know,
we're used to shooting shows in Santa Monica and in
New York, and then we got on this solo, this
this zoom grind and been bringing people content because, like
you said, Short, a lot of motherfucker's don't know what
to do right now. They confused, they stuck. So we

(08:19):
in here trying to encourage and motivate them and show
them the way, you know what I mean, when when
it's a downtime it's still time to hustle. You can
still get out there and eat and then you know
you it is what you make it with this whole push.
You know, Jack was on the face of something this
past summer that not only touched every state in the

(08:39):
United States but also sixteen countries. Um. Obviously when he
lost his brother, George Floyd. What what was your guys thinking,
because you alreay seen a lot uh of this of
this social justice movement and kind of this shifting power
that you know, our ancestors and and and all the
great before us have been working on for some of

(09:00):
the years. But I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna go
like this man me personally, UM, I read a lot,
and I studied history a lot, and I just try
to like no, you know, people's stories like what happened
and just knowing like the the way we had to

(09:23):
like dig in just to learn about the slavery times,
Like it was nothing given to us in school or
anything to educate us on this. And you got to
grow up as a grown man and start reading and
talking to people and learning about your people before you
like what what went down? And then you hear about uh,
black people got freed from slavery, and they landed right
in Jim Crow, which is was probably some people say

(09:46):
that was worse than slavery, you know what I mean.
And we can go into detail what all that was,
but it was a very bad situation. And then you've
got civil rights and you come out of it with
all these freedoms, but it keeps I keep smelling Jim Crow,
I keep smelling slavery. I keep like, you can't tell me.
You can't tell me that making up a bunch of

(10:07):
laws and you know how to crack hit the hood
and all this all this stuff that ends up with
mass incarceration with two million people in jail, mostly black
and brown people, And you're like, you can't tell me that.
That just ain't somebody right after civil rights going, man,
we gotta keep the slavery thing going. Jim Crow was
just a renewing slavery. So I'm like, I'm like, bro,

(10:30):
when I see when I see George Floyd and I
see all the other incidents, and it's not just when
people die, it's just you getting your ass kick, You're
getting trumped up charges, you're getting harassed for no reason.
And when I see that man, I'm like, how much
different can that be from Jim Crow? How much different
can that be from slavery? And you're going, oh, y'all free,

(10:50):
you can go out, you can go to college. But
I spead a guy. Man. The opportunities that came to
us does not come to everybody. I know, everybody I
came up with, Like a lot of folks just even
have a way out, man, you know what I'm saying.
So we do get treated. I go in the room
full of white people and they showed me love, not
going in in the room full of agents. They showing
me love. I'm a celebrity, you know what I'm saying,

(11:11):
You're a ball player, and they love us for what
we do. But the same my same. I had a
twin brother who didn't wrap, you know what I'm saying,
and he stayed in the hood. He would get none
of this, you know what I'm saying. So I feel like,
as much as as much progress we make, I still
you keep looking back. You keep looking back. The cameras
are showing everybody now and you keep seeing it. But
when it wasn't showing cameras, it was happening. It was

(11:33):
happening like it ain't never stopped happening. So I'll say
all that have to say. It ain't never stopped having it.
It's still going. It's funny. It's funny you say that
shot because you're talking about the difference. And that's that's me,
and that's me and George Floyd grew up an hour
away from each other, both athletes. But I just got
we're both growing up in the hood. We're both dealing
with the same stuff in the hood. I just got different,

(11:53):
different opportunities. If he would have had those opportunities, he
probably would have made it too. You know what I'm saying.
He didn't and and but don't understand that's how easy
things can happen. You know what I'm saying. A lot
of people don't see. We don't get a chance to
see nothing different from where we come from. Always all
we know is what we see. So when we get
an opportunity and take advantage of it, everybody don't get
that same opportunity. And there's so much talent in the
hood or where we come from. It's just the opportunities, man,

(12:16):
they slim. And that's why we got to, you know,
continue to speak on stuff because people say, like we're
out here using our voice, using our platform. How are
you guys affected? You guys got money, you guys live
behind gates. But just like Jack said, it could have
been one bad move, one bad deal that we could
have been a statistic instead of a statistic in a
positive way, like were lucky. You guys wrapped your way,

(12:36):
we hooped our way. We were the lucky ones. But
we talked for all the people that don't have this
platform or the opportunities that we've had. Because for us
it's good. And we still see some ships, but like
like Short said, his brother really has seen some ship
his you know what I mean. So it's just like
it's not there's still a long way to go, but
I definitely feel like something is in the air right now,
like like I said, for the first time in a

(12:58):
long time, like they listening in the seeing and they're
feeling it, you know what I mean. And us coming together,
it's huge, it's big understanding our importance as as as
as one, you know, I mean, they have always tried
to call us the minority to keep us in our place,
but we come together. We have the majority, and we
gotta keep that power and flex that power. Maybe God

(13:19):
has given the earth of shampoo right now. We gotta
you know, because it's it's different. It's it's it's different.
I mean, it's like I ain't gonna even lie, bro,
you know, dude, hand it out there with make America
grid again. He it's like he tried to make America
racist again. You know. That's I mean, I do believe
in I believe in the youngsters, man. I believe that

(13:41):
every time you've got a new generation coming up, the
older generations look at them like, man, y'all don't know
what y'all doing. Man, y'all you know what I'm saying.
We're humans, but we you know what I'm saying, especially
in our community. Man, you know, we're natural born survivans
from day one. So I think that um, when um,
you underestimate the youth, it just it just makes it

(14:04):
even better for them, you know, because I remember remember
when we were teenagers. We was young, and you tried.
You know, you can get advice from other people, but
you like, I know everything, and you're going for it. Man.
I think, uh, I think that everything is gonna be
in good hands. We can't really try to understand. I
cannot try to understand what the youngsters approach is gonna

(14:25):
be to changing the world to what they want. But
I really feel like the world is gonna change and
they feena make it their way, and you gotta like
some people got to get old and go away and
then it becomes the new things. So I feel confident
about where things is going in in in life, in
hip hopping all that. Man, I just believe people, well,
you know what they're gonna make happen. I think that

(14:45):
the ogs need to embrace the youngsters instead of talking
down about them and what not, you know what I'm saying.
But even in hip hop, main mainly in hip hop,
like you know what I mean, some of them this
is something you know safe for instance, they wrapped a
certain way. That's that's that's what they've here. And since
there was a little baby, because you know, you know
two thousand three with seven uh what eighteen years ago,

(15:08):
two thousand three, two thousand and four, like these castes
seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty, like they young and that's how
they grew up with a different ear than what we
grew up on. So you know, you just gotta be
open minded, embrace them. Because a lot of a lot
of youngsters they want to they want to be latest up.
They want you to sit down and give him some game.

(15:29):
You know, they don't all think they know it all.
They want to get some game. You know what I'm saying,
Instead of just don't, don't, don't just go just be
cause you can't adapt to what they're doing. O G.
You know what I'm saying that you can't. You gotta
be You gotta be versatile. You know what I'm saying.
You gotta learn how to You gotta turn with the times.
All the times gonna turn on you. And the way
you gotta do it is turn with it, turn with
the times. By standing within your jurisdiction and within your envelope,

(15:51):
you can still be you, but you still fit right
in there with the youngsters and the o gs. You
did what I'm saying, find that happy medium and make
America great again, really hate again. As the signs at
the time is looking like we laid again, and that
and and and that's and that and that's basically what
it is. And and all the marches I've been to
and all the giftbacks that I've been doing, I'm doing
another one on m l K Day. It's all the youth.

(16:11):
It's more youth than anybody. You know. You might you
might get one or two other the people they're still
fighting and standing strong. But all the marches that I've led,
it's been all of youth standing man. And that's the
only way they're really gonna listen to youth the future.
They got to be the ones that's fighting everything we're
fighting for. We may not see the benefits from it,
but that's they will. Our kids will, our kids kids will.
So that's why it's important for us to lay that foundation.

(16:33):
The nineteen eighties in Oakland, the nineteen eighties and Valleo.
Take me back to what the energy the vibe was like.
And when did y'all first hear about each other the valley? Joe,
I'll tell you what. So when I first so, you know,
me being from Valeo, I got family and cousins and

(16:54):
all them all through you know, through the town and
what not. And so they come down, you know, and
on a weekend, you know, one of the holidays on whenever, right,
and they're coming down and they like, uh, vody, you
ain't up on my pottinger shout right. I told this
is like I was fourteen, like fourteen and a half,

(17:17):
you know what I'm saying. I was like fourteen, So
what you I don't know how it was on the
fourteen soon. Let me see. I graduated when I was seventeen.
That was eighty five, so maybe eight two eighty three maybe,
you know, they come down and I'm in the town
all the time because I'm over this. Then it's all summer,

(17:38):
I'm over my cousin in house, you know what I'm saying.
All the weekends, I'm catching the Greyhound bus out there,
you know what I'm saying. But Short, you know, I
was listening to a lot of hip hop, just like
everybody else, but Short was different. Man. He was spending
that He's spending that game, man, that game that we
could all relate to, you know, and you know, and

(17:59):
he was in the thick of it. You know the
town you know he's in. He was in East Oakland, man. Well,
you know what I'm saying, the game at you know,
and so you know, so it's like you're listening to
him and you know, and I was like, you know what, man,
that's I gotta spit. I gotta spit my my real life.
You know the situations that I've been around, been through,

(18:20):
you know, seen diad done or you know what I'm saying.
Some of the folks, you know, I gotta be a storyteller.
I gotta. I gotta spit my spit like that, you know.
So I gotta get creative. I gotta you know what
I'm saying. That's how they're all unfolded, you know. Um
but Short was doing it, man, and here he is,
here he is right now. Spent a whole lot of game,
the fucky ass beats. That's what we do, funcky ass

(18:42):
beats with a lot of ship talking in real like
real logical ass game and the fast forward on you
know the young days when we were just like rappers
in the streets. Uh. There came a time where I
was somewhere in Oakland learning how to be in dependent label.
I was learning from a guy named Dean Hodges who

(19:03):
had a labeled seventy five Girls Records. And Dean took
me under his wing and he was going to professional
studios and making records and putting the ship out and
taking it to the distributor and picking up the check.
And you know what I'm saying, he was. I was
just sitting there riding shotgun while he was doing the hustle.
So you know, I was like everywhere we went, I

(19:24):
knew the names, knew the place, knew the location, I
knew the whole routine. Earl was in Valajo getting the
same game from his uncle St. Charles, who knew how
to sell records independently also and told him how to
do it. So on two different you know, were thirty
miles apart, but we learned the same hustle. And then

(19:46):
what makes it crazier is somewhere in the later eighties
where it was like eighties, seven eighty eight, When when
when when y'all started clicking up with the with the
cruise in the street money and all. That was at
the late eighties. So him and his folks, when when
my folks, you know, your folks like eighty seven, you

(20:06):
know what I mean. So we're doing our rap hustle,
our families just getting street money, and we all like
see each other, hang out and ship. We ain't even
talking about your song. That's your song that we're just
hanging out. That's e forty. He wrapped that's too short.
He wrapped us open. Nigger Nick. We just in in
a group working with each other way back when a

(20:28):
lot like pushing around and we pull up, they pull
up open. We we we were typed. And then I
mean years went by, man, we his homies, years went
by before we ever made a song, like for real,
I know that's a trip. But when we put that
ship together, when we did that Rappers ball, it was
all gas. It was all gas, no breakpads. Yeah, we

(20:48):
wasn't stopping. We never stopped after that. It was like
we probably got man, we can't. We can't even count
how many songs we did together. We probably got I
know it's better than fifty. I don't know how many
it is. See, we did a double album together with
like fucking seventeen songs a piece on I mean seventeen
songs on each album that I think that's twenty eight songs. Songs,

(21:10):
songs and what was that called history mob music and
function music slapping, here's the here's your channel. But if
you if you add to them, how many most songs
we did Brest, it's probably like sixty seventy on know,
it's still counting song. Hey, that's like we ran a
whole NBA season together seventy eight two songs. Hey, look

(21:36):
look at all these songs we're doing. Look at all
these songs we're doing right now, You're still doing it still,
Come on, hey man, compare to uh, the Warrior teams
now compared to their Warrior team. Oh man, I'm gonna

(21:58):
tell you right now, when they was playing the street ball,
I'm talking about the players off the court, off the
off the court, off the court, off the court. You know,
you know these two gentlemen were on the phone with
right now. You know they are little hordheaded. They're hardheaded,

(22:19):
super hardheaded, very hard hitted, and they all the way
with they live to fighting ship. They hard I mean,
shorty short we had the best time in the in
in the town man. When we was playing I'm talking
about it was like we won a championship already, Like

(22:39):
the city embraced us like like no other bro Like
I don't care how many championships they wanted to in
the last couple of years. Nobody rocked out like we
rocked out when we was playing there and go to state.
Nobody I remember seeing that. I remember seeing Steph Curry.
He used to be like kind of he kind of quiet,

(23:00):
a little off to the side, looking like a little
looking like a little boy and hanging out with yall.
We were sneaky though. He gamed up. He wanted He's
a student of the game. He know how to fit
in wherever he goes to if he needed to. Yeah, exactly,

(23:21):
like eleventh grader man, that's real. Hey. But I got
a chance to really see it though, because the other
player during the We Believe times and then go back
in seventeen when they won the Ring and there was
still so much the players wanted to know what our
team was like. The media still talked about our team,
the fans still talked about the team like that team

(23:43):
was just different. Like we you could reach out and
touch us. We would be in in in the hood
in Oakland, we would be in in Fillmore across the bridge,
like we would really be in the spots on the corner.
That was our name, Matting, that was our name. That
was our name. You know that they had what they
called step of them. The the film we was the
film O five. Yeah, Yeah, it was the film O five. Yeah,

(24:04):
there was I think there was the Hamptons five. We
was the film O five. It was just a lot
of love from just what we did in that small
amount of time. You know, if you think about it,
we did that in three months. When y'all knocked off Dallas, y'all,
that was that was the championship for us. That was
the chip. Everybody was like, man, hey, boys, really out

(24:26):
there bowling? You know it was I took it like
y'all freestyle and like y'all wasn't It was no particular playing.
It was no matter. There wasn't nothing playing out. This
was like just getting ball, you know, no matter what,
no matter what year, whatever happened after that, no matter

(24:47):
what chip, how many chips, how many trips to the chip,
they can still more than we believe shirts still whatever.
We uh, we're in the process of getting getting the
we believe dot going. So we definitely gonna need you
all to sun with that shot soundtrack soundtrack, y'all sound

(25:08):
on the child check. We gotta have Mr Fab. You
gotta have Mr Fab on the sidetrack. Can't do can't
do no we believe documentary have a sound check without
Mr Fab Show three, that ship would be killer Killer
bringing man man Man I got picked with him, but
he he he don't say he's been at the Warriors
game for many years. I'll just give him a hard time,

(25:29):
you know, That's just what I gotta do. And they'd
be araguing over who, like, Okay, they got the name, uh,
Forty say I'm front row forty fab say that that
long before, and forty came with that that he was
already calling himself front row Fabby and then forty like
Nabro made So they got a real thing going on.
Who was front first? Like it ain't even like they like,

(25:52):
it's like serious, Yeah, yeah, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta say some love took him bad mombs man,
his mom's man. She stated every she was at every game.
I said, I've seen her before every game. She waited
to after every game to speak to me. Man, you
know what I'm saying. I got resting pa, a lot

(26:13):
of love to fat to Mr Fab's mom. And I
missed him, manly man at that new stadium And ain't
it ain't the roorical man, And ain't say I went
in there and it ain't it's missing that person that
that that that that Oracle arena was intimidating. Man. It was.
It was always fun. It was fun. It's business. It's business.

(26:36):
But when when they got on that chip down, when
the chip, when the chips came in, that crowd turned
into it was it was like a problem, man for
the business. It was a problem. They lost it. So
we had like the real die harder because at to
keep it real that that the tickets were cheaper, like
you can get into the game and bring your family
back when we were running in oh six or seven
and oh eight. You know, now it turned into a

(26:57):
business where they had the highest courtside price in the
league at one point, and then they go over to
San Francisco and that's straight corporate. That's all that ship
was for, you know what I mean. So the fans
over here kind of got left out, which was sucked
up because the Bay Area fans are so loyal whether
the team is good bad in between, they're gonna ride
for you regardless to the end. And and the fact

(27:18):
that we were able to bring playoff basketball back um
to to to your fan base was just crazy. You know,
to this day we have so I mean I just
got rid of my house up there in March, but
I would be in the grocery store and that's all
they wouldn't talk about the current team. It was we
just loved your team, and this, this and that, and
it was. It's really crazy to see what kind of

(27:38):
imprint we made on the on the town. Yeah man,
legendary friend Forshall. Yeah. So for the people outside of
the Bay, they kind of feel like or I mean,
they're right, but music the Bay got put on the
map when y'all really hit. Were there anyone that you

(28:01):
guys that you guys looked up to growing up in
the game or was it just the hustle and rapping
just came. Oh no, there's plenty of people we looked
up to. I know, you know me growing up, I
looked up to Russell Simmons. I looked up to, Um,
you understand me, Rick Rubin, Um, you know Jay Prance,
you understand what I'm saying. Loose Skywalker. You know these

(28:23):
were these were CEOs way before before me. You know
what I'm saying. Um, but mine was like really really homegrown.
And I mean by that he is like I didn't
have distribution like like that. I had a small one. Stop.
You understand what I'm saying. But anyway to make a
long story, sure, what I'm saying is these dudes really
planted their feet in hip hop man and showed up

(28:45):
and showed out and was big. Like I'm really influenced
by them. You know what I'm saying. There's others tools
such as, you know, we gotta first of all, we
gotta give it up the Cool Hurt because you know
he's credited for being the one to create rap. You
know what I'm saying, We gotta we gotta love people
like cool heard, we gotta we gotta love people like
you unerstand me Master flashing the Furious five million miles

(29:07):
and Millie Mills spending the game. Man, I love the
way he spent that game. You know he's speaking real
life way back the end. And when you can relate
to it, you know what I'm saying, they don't need
to hate to it. A lot of people when they
can't relate to something, they just actually just hate it.
Like just because you can't relate, man, that don't mean
it's fake. You know what I'm saying. That's you. You
you in the way yourself. You ain't gamed up, you game, goofy. Hello,

(29:32):
you know we got we got that game. School marching
band background during goofy game. Sittime, I said, we got
that high school marching band background. Man, that that that
rhythm that you know at a at an age when
hip hop first came into to our lives. That that

(29:55):
love for the music and being in band class kind
of trans send it over the hip hop and just
those rhythms and the beats and it and it kind
of like, you know, Forty said he was a drummer
in the marching band. But if you listen to Forty rap,
the nigga kind of rapped like a snare drum, you know,
like to really be like like like spitting fire. So
it's all related. And I think, um, I think um

(30:18):
the early days of hip hop, like it was just
fun and ship. But then when Russell Simmons uh start pushing,
because you know, Russell was there, he was there for
all that young ship man m Curtis Blow and all
that ship he was around. But when he really started
pushing that run DMC agenda. And then his public enemy
is Eric being rock him. You know, the deaf jam
ships started creating superstars, the ll L k J and

(30:39):
you know, and nigga on the West Coast is looking
like naked we want to do this ship too, you
know what I mean. So we don't got nobody in
hip hop that's in the Bay or on the West coast.
You know. Dr Dre and then was down there doing
world class wrecking crew Iced Tea popped up on the
scene early. It was, um, you know the l A
dream team. It was my is doing the ship. But

(31:02):
to see that, to see it all turn into big
business of business, but it motivated us because we're sitting
here rubbing shoulders with rich as drug dealers and they
gets right around and busses and all kind of sucking ship.
We're like, man, I want to have I'm trying to
get in the game. So we we literally I'll tell
you on my in man, I literally was looking at

(31:24):
the music like Nigga, these tapes and these boxes is
like kilos, nig I'm flipping this ship. I'm gonna stack
the ship, stack the profit re up. You know what
I'm saying. That's I was. I was, That's what I
was on the thing. What I know, this is what
I know. You know I try to tell I'm saying,
get that legal money, that legal money, not the illegal

(31:46):
the legal money. That's right, that that legal money because
I tell them, you know, um, even even in the streets,
if you if you're getting that illegal money, don't try
to turn that ship into a permanent occupation. That's stupid.
Like you know what I'm saying. The ship really is
designed because you know what I'm saying, Like you know,
even your corporate world, you don't know what the funk

(32:06):
they did to get where they at. You feel what
I'm saying. But they was in and out like the burger,
You feel me. You know they they used whatever they
was doing and whether it was hard, whether it was
illegal or or legal, whatever they was doing, they used
that as a stepping stone to be one hundred percent legal,

(32:27):
you know what I'm saying. And you can't make that
a permanent occupation like motherfucker's want to make that a
permanent occupation. And you know that three years of grinding
and getting them getting your money on it in five
years of grinding ain't worth thirty years in the pen.
It just don't add up, you know what I'm saying.
So talked to Yeah it's a setup. So we was
always talked to. You still me. You know what I'm saying.

(32:48):
You had a frame of mind be a businessman, bro
be a business because let me tell you something. First
of all, this rap game, first of all, you get,
it's way more money in it. You understand me. It's
more rap. It's it's way more money in the rap
game than it is in the dope game, okay, by question,
by far, And it's way more and it's way more

(33:09):
fame than it is in the dope game. Right. That's
if you seek seeking for fame. It's nice to have
a little bit, but that ain't my My My goal
was the money. I want to bread. You feel me?
So you know what I'm saying, And it's way and
and you're living a you're living illegal you're living illegal
not illegal illegal life. You understand what I'm saying. You
know you ain't gotta you know, you ain't gotta you know,

(33:31):
have you know, look around like you know what I'm saying.
Watch you do, but you but you gotta be careful
with it because rappers, some of these rappers they talk
themselves into all kind of beef and ship like that's unnecessary. Man,
Get your money, you feel what I'm saying. Get your money. Man,
These mother fucking headphones tripping. But anyway, get your gooda.
That's where it's that. You know, turn turn, take that

(33:53):
little goody you having, whatever good are you having? First
of all, the main thing is get you a piece
of the earth. Get you out and get some property.
You know what I'm saying. I don't give a just
a piece of land, a small piece of land somewhere
in the midwest to south. You know what I'm saying.
It could be a little lot, anything, Just get just
start off with that first. You understand what I'm saying,

(34:15):
and you know, take it from there. Man, so much,
so many, so many things. You know, it's always great
to make money doing something that you love. You know
when you when you're making money doing something that you love,
and you can't be lazy. You can't be a couspertator hustler. Man.
You know what I'm saying. You gotta you gotta go
to be it late and wake up early. You know
what I'm saying. That's me. I'll wake I go to

(34:36):
be it late and wake up early. Sometimes I sleep
with both eyes open. You get in when you know,
I mean, you get out what you put you you
get out what you put into it. So it's anything,
where did it go from or did it was it?
Was it always? When did it go from just I'm
a Rapperts have really understanding that you're an actual business?

(34:57):
Was it from the jump or did it take a
few years. I'll tell you, I guess till I'm gonna
let you talk. I just feel like, really, just it's
just it's a forced play, man, It's it's a forced play.
You're a youngster and you're doing something you love, hip hop,
You're making money, and then all of a sudden things
really happened and you look, you're looking at the bank account,

(35:18):
you're looking at the pockets, and you've got a lot
of money, and you've got a lot of people depending
on you, and you got folks working for you. You're
sitting and sign a contract. It shicking serious, and you
know what I mean, Like you you you either step
up to the play or you don't. And it's like
I really, I really feel like um people who succeed

(35:40):
you're not necessarily succeeding because of just your talented or
just because you have the opportunity you got it. It's
so many elements to being the one that gets through,
you know what I mean. It's it's it's um It's
just something. You know, you look back at a lot
of it, A lot of it is luck to be
I mean, obviously you put that hard working, but it's
love to be able to maneuver through it, because most

(36:02):
mothercker's can't. But what I do, Man, you just gotta
keep going for it. Br You gotta have luck. You
gotta have luck, and you gotta have longevity. You gotta
to short always say. He always said this, man, don't
stop wacking like and I always say, if you keep
throwing ship at the wall, eventually it's gonna stick. You
know what I'm saying. So take for instance this, you know,

(36:23):
during the time when Pop passed away, r P tupop
he passed away, it seemed like the carpet was taking
under the West coast leg just like tooking it from
under our feet, and everything sits shifted to the South,
even though we've been rocking with the South, and the
South been do what they think, But I'm talking about
they totally did they think, you know, So we had

(36:43):
to hold on like a hub cap and the fast
ain't to us back our turn. That's what we did.
You know, you pay attention to the ball. You gotta
watch the ball. You don't know if the game is
gonna throw you a curve, a knuckleball, a fast ball,
whatever the case they're gonna throw. You just gotta be
ready to that thing. And when you swing, swing for
the fence. Basics is cool, But you want to hit

(37:04):
that home run. Man, you want that platinum. You want
that platinum, that platinum like getting the motherfucker championship, you know,
ring or whatever. You know what I'm saying. So you know,
like I say, man, I'm telling you right now, coming
from the shoots, coming from the shoebox to to to
a safe deposit box is a really interesting situation. You know,

(37:25):
my uncle, say Charles, taught me how to actually go
get a bank account. St Charles is credited, credited for
being you may have heard Master P and many others
talked highly about him because that's my uncle, that's my
mama's brother. You know what I'm saying. He's legendary. I mean,
it wouldn't be a lot of people, a lot of
your favorite rappers if it wasn't for him, because you
know he is he he he laced me, He laced me,

(37:48):
and the click for these he legit d shot sugar
T sick with the records. You understand me. A wall
rackets y'all to the click. You know what I'm saying.
He laced us. Then Master p came along. He laid
Master Pete, you understand me. So just imagine so many
people that JT the bigger figure, and so many others
that came through because develod Records was doing their thing

(38:08):
no matter what. Everybody was doing their thing bro out
here in the bay, and my uncle had a lot
to do with it along with us, because we all
learned together. But I'm just saying, you know, he taught
me how to be a man as well, not just
like I said, he taught me how to go get
a bank account. Boy when I was you know, when
I was a youngster, always looked up to him. We
single handedly invented the independent music hip, the independent hip

(38:33):
hop seen in the bay. It either comes from Efty
and his his chain of you know, you know, to
trinkle down, or come from too short and well trinkled
out from me. Like we gave everybody the game. You
cannot trace it back. It's impossible to trace it back
any further than us. Because he just told you where
he got it from. I'll tell you who I got

(38:54):
it from. It didn't come from anywhere else in hip hop.
We invented the ship and they talked about the Bay
Independent the Bay. You know everybody they do them that
ship come from us, ain't know. And the best part
about what I like bragging about me and forty is
that we ain't just some old last niggas that did
this ship. And we're on the sidelines, tell the story,
sitting on the porch. N we're in the game, talking

(39:15):
about stop being in this motherfucking game. Nig that's how weird,
that's how we're doing it. Let let me mask. Let's
ask you a question. Who uh then this is one
of my favorite rappers from the Bay who umbrella mcmahl
fall under even all under um Young Black Brother records
kinda read uh you know them boys right there and

(39:35):
and uh, you know, one of the people he really
look up to is mc dre and a lot of
people do too as well. Mac dre did this thing
or that. He's definitely legendary. Gone too soon. Mcmah is
my cousin here, mcmahll mcmas my couse. He from the
Crest Side. I'm from the hill side, you know. But
we've worked together and still we want of my man. Yeah,

(39:59):
we like you know, mcmahl really put it. Damn. People
don't know how really how big mcmahl really you understand
me put it. He did his staying in hip hop
like way beyond the Bay Area, maybe further. To be
honest with you. People don't want to hear this. And
I always tell him he could. He he'd be like, nah, cousin,
I'm like, man, dude, you was. You was well known

(40:20):
way further than what people think. Bro, like across the
across the you know, like y'all know about him. You
know what that they know about mcmahl and the Midwest,
the South all that for many moons, you know, So
shout to mcmahl. Man. You know what I'm saying. Your
brothers gotta get it together, young brothers, gotta get it
toge and to get right song and you need to

(40:43):
get right come on, man, it's it's it's real. It's
just it's just being honest. It's real talk. You know
what I'm saying. What it was you got me wide open,
you know, man, he did, mand went crazy like he did.
You know, what's what's been the secret to the longevity.
You know, we asked what we had an opportunity interview

(41:05):
snooped last season y'all too. Y'all been in the game
for over thirty five years, and like you said, just
you just said, you're not on the sidelines right now.
You're still in it. How what how the funk y'all
been doing that? Man, you gotta be uh A politician.
You gotta be a ceo. You gotta be a h

(41:29):
a therapist. You gotta know how to like really like,
you know, take the pictures, kiss the babies, handle to
handle the dispute. You gotta make sure different people eat
that need to be eating at times. You gotta like
it's a lot of stuff. You gotta keep the family together.
You gotta do a lot of things. You gotta know
how to get this producer with that person that do

(41:51):
hooks with, that dude that gott a verse. You gotta
I mean, you gotta all the time to be running.
You know, the coach, the quarterback, planes, you calling plays
and basically it's just a constant, constant, constant machine of grinding, grinding, grinding, grinding,
and staying relevant with who's hot and we like really
like never tapped out of our area. I hadn't moved

(42:13):
all over the country, but I ain't never left that
that Oakland, that Bay area. I ain't never letting that
go on. The just the foundation of my music. So
we keep it real Bay, we keep it baying. And
I think just that longevity is just having a good
ear to music and then being able to do all
those things that other people can't do. Man, other people

(42:33):
can't get on the phone and squash them ship niggas
can't get on the phone and make two phone calls
and make YouTube niggas the money. I don't even get
none of the money. I just make a phone call.
So y'all just get some money real quick. That's the
kind of ship we do. And that's kind of ship
when you put it out there, but that ship come
back and we I know, forty like that. I'm like
that fabrics like that. A lot of niggas is like that.

(42:53):
You put it out there and you just don't understand
that giving, giving, giving is really receiving come back. I
got the line. I got a line. I always say short,
the benefits are being real, so beneficial, I like, straight up,
straight up, don't don't. The reason I'm on this show
and only reason I've been blessed to have us because
I got a solid brother that I always stayed down with,

(43:14):
Matt and Matt Matt had to connect and made it happen. Man,
So the benefits have been real. I'm I'm a I'm
a I'm a testament of that. Man. It's it's beneficial. Bro,
I wanna h forty. I know you had a really
good relationship with him. He's one of my favorite people
all time. Talk to us about your time with Park
and what he meant to you. Man, Pop Man, good times.

(43:35):
You know, every time we hook up, it's like like
little kids, like you know you grew up, you know
how you you see a friend, one of your best
friends you ain't seen the hell of years. It's just
like that. And we can see each other a week later.
We just like you know, big hugs, big you know
what I'm saying, Just like this is my guy, Like
we always gonna have a great time together. Like that's

(43:57):
just time. We just it was the game designed us,
like God put good people together, you know what I'm saying.
And so that's how that's how it was with Pop.
We would always you could we we uphold our baitness
like two bait niggers get together, you know, you know
you could always tell a bait movements like yeah, man,
you know the way we talk in the whole, like
it's different, we different, I promise you. You know what

(44:18):
I'm saying that. So that's how Pop was. You know.
Pop was definitely you know they can say, oh, well,
pockets from the East coast, this man, that man, his
heart was the Bay Area. I don't hear with nobody
said Maria, right, it was Marian. It was Marian. But
his all his homies was rich A lot of his

(44:40):
homies was Richmond. The rowdy are they don't play that,
they don't play it. They don't play in Richmond. You
know what I'm saying. All his homies was from there.
You know a lot of them. You know. So it's like,
you know, basically man, Pop. You know, it was always
good energy, um, a lot of work ethic. He would
always go in there here and knock out hell of songs.

(45:01):
That's why I love him, just just going there and
knock out hell of versus. But Pop was a whole
another animal boy. When he got into the studio, he
finishing the song. He's doing three verses and it's gonna
all makes sense. It's gonna all be great content. It's
gonna be great subject matters and the spit gonna be
gained up. You know what I'm saying. It's gonna be real.
It's gonna touch, it's gonna touch your heart. He's gonna

(45:22):
go in there and make three songs, you know, within
within an hour. Heally, he danged, they'll leave out of
They're making nine songs a day and fully complete, like
no going back to touch nothing up for nothing. You
know what I'm saying. You gotta remember it wasn't pro
tools like that back then. It had just again, right
right after you know what I'm saying, Right after we
made dustin It go ahead, Hawk was writing wraps the

(45:48):
pen and paper as fast as you could write, just right,
as fast as you could write. He's just doing that
and he's right, and he like then when he goes
there and wrap, You're like, you didn't just write that
ship that fast and that I don't know how he
was doing it, like in front of my face several times,
and I was amazed, and I'm like, he like when

(46:08):
we did when we did um we Ain't hard to find.
That's on all eyes on Me Double Diamond. Yeah, that's
a diamond album, you know what I'm saying. With Diamond,
you know. And when we did that, we was at
Cannam Studio. So he had Rick Rock in there with
c bow Um doing trading war stories. Yeah, he had

(46:33):
be Mike Moseley, He had me Mike Moseley, d shot
be Legit and Richie rich and they're knocking out We
Ain't hard to find. You know what I'm saying. That was.
That's a classic. Oh that's a class. So he coming,
he coming, he coming in there, checking on everybody going.
It's like, you know, Candam had fol studios up in
that hole. You know what I'm saying. There was nothing

(46:54):
but studios in there, and that's what most of you're losing,
every inch of it properly coming there. He go to
one studio to another one and like what y'all looking like?
What y'all look at like? What you'all looking like? He
already late not to mention how wild that environment was
in the studio. What that was. That was if you
go in that buility and once you walked past the

(47:14):
reception area, you liked all his bag niggers with him.
Oh man, he was in heaven. He had all his
big niggas with him. He had all this It might
be it might be thirty bloods over there, then the
whole Snoop Dogg and my fifty crips go that way,
and then this big gass niggas walked around looking like
they just got out the pin yesterday. Yeah, that's real.

(47:35):
But this but this day on short, this day right here,
it was all Bay Area, you understand me, It was
all bad. He was up in that motherfucker like really
really family reunion ship, like putting together something that we
never knew would be so monumental, a double album All
Livees on Me. We was on there. You know, you
had fort on the album like you had I think
Drew Dons on that thing like a whole. But he

(47:56):
put the whole bay on man. Man literally put on
for his city where he put on for the soil,
you feel what I'm saying. And it was it was amazing,
man um. You know, I was just glad to be
part of that, you know. And in the meantime and
in between times, you know, he he was on my record,
you know, he should. We had just did a million
dollars spot Dustin and disgusted, like, you understand me. These songs,

(48:19):
these songs are legendary songs, and I just wish if
he was with here like he had. I was telling
I was telling out Westmore the other day. I said,
you know, Pod had hit me one day and he
was like, yo, forty he say. He say, I say,
what's up, folks? He said, Now I'm meant to tell
you manks. So look I'm doing this thing. We're gonna
call like I'm doing. You know, they got playing in Hollywood.

(48:41):
I say, I say, Jim, he said, well, I'm trying
to put together this ship. You might want to invest
in this. I want to call it a Gainst the
cafe Gangster cafe. But we had all the gangster niggers
on them, on the on the on the on the
on the on the walls and whatnot like and what
you meant by that was like old school mob like
you know, like Al capom On and Lucky Luciano and

(49:01):
you know what I'm saying, the Big Tuna and all
of them. You feel what I'm saying. So I was like, hey, well,
let me know what's happening because you know, I was
playing with a few dollars. You know what I'm saying.
I was a youngster. You know what I'm saying this,
This the nineties. You know what I'm saying this, You know,
I mean my twenties. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm with it.
You feel me so, but it didn't fold. He also
told me he was putting together album um with a

(49:24):
whole bunch of old schoolers. You know what I'm saying.
I was part of when I was one of them.
You know what I'm saying. He had nice and smooth
both of them boys Rapp Their voices some of the
most unique voices of all time. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah,
you feel with him? Yeah, you know I know that, man,
You know, I know that may come on. Man. You know,

(49:46):
he had a whole bunch of old gs that he
wanted on the album. And and then you know, you know,
later on, dude, my folks was gone. Man. I had
seen him at the Rappers Ball video Me and Short
he was there kicking it with us and ship like that.
And you know, a few months, a couple of months later,
he was gone. He was gone. Man, and uh they

(50:07):
got shot in Las Vegas. And you know, mind you
when were I'm normally I'm not really like you know,
own like walking into the ring like him or Sugar
memberies doing. But I'll be out there. I'll be out
there in Vegas and when we connect, we connect like
I'm always. I was always in Vegas. I went to
all the fights. You know what I'm saying. I was

(50:28):
you know what I'm saying. I'll fun with it. You
know what. I was up a young tycoon, you know
what I'm saying. So I was with a hall of fights,
the Wold who wash and I just didn't. I was
at home on this day and they told me he
had h he had got shots. So I'm like, you know,
he's probably gonna live me. You're a tough dude, man,
Because that's like I was there. And then I went

(50:49):
to the motherfucker fight. I went to that fight that
was with the people from fucking London. I think there
was Sheldon whoever, the Typson Fund. Not that they gotten
like it. Not a minute of some ship. Yeah, I've
seen I've seen fucking Pop that night. I've seen him
after the fucking fight. After all this ship happened and
seen him. You're supposed to go to six six too

(51:10):
and just turn up and ship. You know those Sugar's
club nigga has never made it to the club. Bullshit happened, Man, Man, Man,
Man Short. You're one of the very few who got
the opportunity to do a song with Pop, Big and J.
What do you attribute your versatility to and what were

(51:32):
those experiences like? Well, you know, man, I mean, I'm
I'm the big homie, and a lot of scenarios in
these when you think all that so and so on
that song. So but I'm the big homie and the
ship kind of mean some when uh, motherfucker's is looking
at the track record and they're going, Dennis Nigga's short guy,
like so many motherfucking platinum and gold albums, and I

(51:54):
did it like before that. They came along so Big
getting in the game, Jay getting in the game. I'm
I'm platting and platting and platting and platting and platinum
they like looking like, you know, niggas is coming up,
but they're like, and I want to get this too,
Short Nigga on some ship and yeah, you know, nim
niggas was getting at me like they're like, bro, you're
spitting that game. We funk with you. And it was

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it was really on that vibe that I had moved
to Atlanta and I was going to New York a lot,
and then the nigga like like tied in and like
puffing Big and and Jay and and Dame and just
you know, just nigga was just tied into a bunch
of motherfucker's that was, you know, hot on the East Coast.
Fat Joe's working a lot of niggas out there, so

(52:35):
Eric Sherman and Red Man and Keith Murray, I was.
I was literally tretched out there running with the niggas
and making songs and ships. So it just it just
was you know, living like the way you want to
live in man. You get you played for a certain city, man,
you might you might not vibe out in that town.
Within another city, you might become family like in the Bay,
you know. So I went to Atlanta and had a

(52:59):
whole old world out there. I got the whole thing
going on in New Orleans from from the time I
was a little boy in my family and stuff, and
you know, got a Vegas lifestyle. You know what I'm saying,
so I'm the guy who took who took that that
township and took it to the world. You know, both
of your both of your songs. The song you got
with Big and a song you got with Whole Man,

(53:21):
that's classics. I'm talking about some of the biggest songs.
Some of the biggest songs that come out come come
from both of them. Man, you want both of them.
And you know it was it was in the moment.
You don't really think about timeless, You don't really think
about the magnitude of it. You just I mean literally, man,
you in there when you're doing collapse, even with a
nigga like Folty Scarface. Uh, I mean, it's a lot

(53:43):
of niggas I got down with, like you in there,
you in the studio and these niggas, uh, you know,
nigga might nicka might lay his first first and then
you stuck in the studio Like Big did that to me. Man,
he laid his verse first. And now you're sitting in
the room, in his room full of people, they drink
then laughing, smoking air and there looking like what you're

(54:03):
about to do? Ship the moment, I had a whole
bunch of bitches in my lifetime, you know what I'm saying.
That's the moment though, Man like forty put pressure on
you in the studio. Guys like that, they do that
to you. Man, what's it like now? Because it used
to be y'all would all be in one area, like
you said, kicking, enjoy it and make great music. Now

(54:24):
people are just sitting I mean, outside the pandemic. But
it kind of seems like that's less and less. It
still happens, but not as much now. They just sending
music and you hop on each other. Explain that energy
because we kind of feel the same way with our show.
Although we love having y'all here, before the show started,
we already said this ship would be a whole another
level we was in person because you get that energy.

(54:44):
What's that studio energy like compared to just having to hey,
jump on this they sent it. It's much much better
when you're together, you know, of course you know that.
And but nowadays with the technology like we are doing
zoom and all this stuff like that now that I mean,
it was it was a time when it wasn't none
of that. It was a time we wasn't able to

(55:06):
look at each other, you know, like you know, we
never thought what was at the Jesson's. We never thought
that we would really be looking just you know, hit
a button and we really you know, if one person
could be in uh, you know, Europe and another person
could be in in the Bay Area and and face
time and with quality and talking to each other. Yeah,
start track. It really happened. So this makes it easier

(55:28):
for us, you know, with Zoom and many other um,
you know, apps and whatever you want to call it,
um you know, because we can get in the studio
right now and we can just all put it on
FaceTime or you know what I'm saying me uh Skype
or whatever you wanna call it, because Skype still around.
I hate to say it, because I did it the
other day and that should work. It was it was

(55:49):
a company that wanted me because you know, I'll be
I'm in the tech world and ship too. So they
was like, now I'm gonna do Skype on this one.
And that's they didn't step their shipped up too, you
feel me? So they ain't it have been money, you know,
but they yeah, so no, this is it's just great
because we could be like you know, the producer will
be right there, Okay, Man, just going to add some

(56:11):
symbols to that right there. Just add a little some
symbols and put more sinister sounds in there. Put some
something like man with technology. Man, it's technology. So you're
gonna do everything. If I can't get in the studio
with fody, We're still making a song, man, know what
I'm saying, You're still gonna make the song. So it's
like when everything going back to the where it was.
Even before it was like this, we was doing this stuff.
We wasn't doing all these zooms. But if I had

(56:34):
known the Zoom game, I would have been telling so
many niggas. I had meetings with niggas it zoom me
niggas like I would have been on that. So so
I was saying, when we go back to the way
it was, we're gonna utilize all this like to the
funnest Like, bro, if I can't pull up, I'm gonna
pull up like this, man, we're gonna meet on the
screen and we're gonna send a song email. We're gonna

(56:57):
do this. We're gonna keep grinding. So I like this
ship man, I was I thought we would fly back
in the day when we had little studios on the
tour bus and ship. I thought that was super technology. Man,
it's a new level now earlier mid two thousand's obviously,
rest in peace, mcdra The HiFi movement comes in and

(57:18):
y'all stepped to the forefront of that, you know, with
two anthems, low the whistle and uh tell me when
to go. What was that movement like? Because that really
again kind of stamped the bay again. Like they got
this they on their own ship. They got this whole
little movement going on again that did not only stayed
there but swept the world. Sure beach are always telling me, man, man,

(57:39):
they after doing that dance. So really a lot of
the ship come from the town. But don't get it
fucked up. Matt dre had his own thing too, you
understand me, So we we would. I would always say
that mac dray was like the in the forefront of
all that. You know what I'm saying, Oh we did.
All I did was joined in like everybody else from
northern California, you know what I'm saying, Like, why not

(57:59):
I never moved them out of this motherfucker And even
if I did, so what I'm Bay Area to the heart,
you know what I'm saying. So I had to participate.
You know what I'm saying. I wasn't Finn the player hey,
So you know basically I was already doing songs while
he was alive. We had the song with the with
the Federation called you understand Me, um Haifie. Matt Drake
was well alive. You know what I'm saying. Um. You

(58:20):
know I went out there with Little John them um
in two thousand four and I stayed out there for
like three weeks and did my get a report card album?
When I was out there. My work ethic was incredible. Um,
I have I have the best of both worlds. I

(58:40):
had Snap music because I was on like this two
step remix and stuff like that. I was on the
I was on you know, I was gonna snap your
fingers and and many other songs out there. You know
what I'm saying. Me Uh. And then I'm working with
I'm in I'm in the Bay as well. You know,
we had um you know this is a slumper. You
know what I'm saying with with with the boy, um

(59:03):
with the boy, Uh, turf talk, you know what I'm saying.
My cousin Turf talk with Crazy Rick Rock produced that
this is a slumper. It's a slumper. This is a slumper.
You know what I'm saying. We had I was the one. Oh,
I had one. I had one. What the hell was called?
We had some dumb ass do We had the one
with we had the one with uh with, We had Heife,

(59:26):
we had the one with fab we had my son
Drew be produced with me Turf Talking and Fabular fab record. Um.
Then it was called super sick with it like we
was gradually making a whole new sound, you understand me.
And so with that being said, you know John we

(59:46):
one day it was a magical day, right and Short
was there too? Short came in when I think Short
you came in when I was doing muscle cars. Right
was the muscle cars you came into the studio that day? Yeah,
I checked that out the field of sessions man Atlanta. Yeah, yeah,
so Short, because you know, little joh we we had
to think on the studio and so umlutle job was

(01:00:08):
just fucking around on the on the um on the drums,
and he came with that motherfucker bom bom bom bom,
bump bump bump, bump bomp, That's what that was. That's
all right there. When he did that, we was like,
oh that's a this is a whole another sound. This

(01:00:28):
ain't this, ain't no this, ain't this, ain't hype. This
is I mean this ain't this, ain't this, ain't no
name for this butt HiPE because it's energy. You know
what I'm saying. So you know what I call I
call you know that. You know I called keep the sneak.
You know what I mean. That's his thing. You know
what I'm saying, energy, You know HIPI You know what
I'm saying. So kick kick kickers like the pain. You

(01:00:51):
got him down the Atlanta right knock. It's a trick
I was feeling. I was actually filed sending him the
track and I and and Dang Fame was like, damn
fan was like we in that line, I say, nigga,
you're not in Atlanta, bro, because they ain't never in
that line like that, you know, because I was, you know,
I was saying I was hanging out in Atlanta. So
I'm like, what the funk? I say, Man, Bro, nigga,

(01:01:14):
look here, man, we got big liquor, we got big smoke,
we got everything you need, big food. Slide through this
motherfucker right now, coming stinky stink on your studio with
the hurry up. That's my nigga. The niggas came. The
niggas came through the man. I knew he was there.
I thought, no, no, he was there, and so we

(01:01:37):
when we so he came. So he heard muscle cars
and just you know for us, muscle cars. You know,
you know, he got that unique voice. You know what
I'm saying. They killed this ship right. Let me tell
the hyping story, man, the story go ahead, go ahead,
and I got a story to trying to finish up though,
because they want to know, they want to know. Short,
go here, i'ta tell you. I'm gonna tell you the
history of the hype. What this is gonna finish your man, Okay,

(01:02:01):
let me finish up, and let me finish up and
make a long story short and a short story long
too short. Hello, So uh that's crazy. Hey. So what
I'm saying is what I did was this, he came
with muscle cars. Okay. I sent it to turf Talk.
We emailed it to turf Talk. So turf Talk, get
to the studio. I need you to write this whatever.

(01:02:23):
So he wrote the ship, killed it, sent it back.
Killed that ship that same day, the same motherfucking day.
A few minutes after he made Little John made muscle cars,
he was working around with the little drum thing do
do cat do do do do Cat do? Cat do
do do do cat do? Came with that drum pattern.

(01:02:44):
I'm like, man, ain't nothing, this is tribal. This ain't
ain't no ship like this out there ever, this ain't
never been no. This is something that's so unique, and
no one I like unique ship. So I go on
that motherfucker. I spent my ship. No before I even
spent my ship. Keep kicking um dangn go to They
huddled up. They went around the corner. They was violent,
was drinking and everything, and he just and they went

(01:03:06):
around the corner like around the corn when I said
literally around the corner, like in the hallway, and huddled
up and was like, tell me when they got damn
when they got tell me when they got you're feeling
to talk about. And so they came in there did
the hook. I'm like, I added my little crazy as
what tell me when the girl? And then lu John's
just LuSE John looked at me, and I looked at him.
He just he went found dumb girl by run DMC

(01:03:28):
and just dumb, dumb um dumb girl. I'll say this,
naked a little John Tho. Right, that's when he came
with that dum dum dum dumb you feel me? And
it was just magic in that bit. So then so
we had we had two verses on there, right, I
had a verse at the first verse, Juice Critch had
dress to shake him. I ain't got nothing about playing

(01:03:48):
on girls something. Kick had his ship. Then we sent
the same ship to turf Talk. Turf Talk killed it.
Turf Talk couse of turk Talk gas that thing. So
little John steppy and he just turf talk killed that ship.
But nib you gotta we gotta take him off of
that one, because we already got on muscle cars, right,

(01:04:10):
we gotta take them. We gotta take him off of
that You neither one of y'all need to wrap on
the third verse, nobody, you need to do a chance.
He said, you need to do a chance. I need
you to talk about everything that goes on in y'all
region in the Bay Area. With that movement, y'all got
going on and that's when I did it, and it
became a classic gas record. I was gonna let y'all

(01:04:30):
know that hell off classic record, Classic Verse classic. Now
let me tell you what the hype is, man, This this,
this is what, this is what happened. So what what
somebody that's not from the Bay would think as the hype,
You would think it was a movement from two thousand
and two or something to like five six, seven years later,

(01:04:53):
And it was this movement that happened. It really was
nine year round. So hife never had a name. It's
is the way Bay Nick is acted. That's what we did.
We had side shows, they burned rubber, they had you know,
show off your card, and it was the whole fully everything,
like you know, the whole I'm saying, the whole Bay.

(01:05:15):
What I'm saying, you get together, you burn rubber, you
you do your ship, y'all hang out wherever it be
with intersection, wherever that ship being going down the mall
parking lot. Whatever the way they was dancing was, you know,
it was the the Bay ship was like real Mahdi
And I think what what Kick the Snake and mac
drey did was they made it. They you know, ecstasy

(01:05:38):
started getting popular and they made it a little more
fun and it was partying and ship. They still spitting
the same game that everybody's been getting from E forty
and Too Short. But then they turned it into you know,
out in the streets, the little the little hipie dance
and all that ship. They was doing that ship before
they called it hype. Somebody just gave it a name
one day and then Little John is Little John is

(01:06:00):
hold me from Atlanta who I was working with Little
John even when he worked with Jermaine Duprie so so deaf.
I've been working with Little John since, like since he
wasn't even famous, and Little John has always been my guy.
So we did a lot of songs together, a lot
of a lot of a lot of music together, a
lot And at one point Little John was getting really

(01:06:21):
hot in the game and he went to do a
show in the bay and he hit me up and
he said, man, it's some ship going on in the bay.
That's he like, I want to funk with that ship.
He's like, he said, I want to make you and
E forty records like that. So Little John wentdn't got
a taste of whatever was going on. He got some

(01:06:42):
some mac dre is um, some kick the sneak is m.
He got something he caught win up and because he's
a DJ, and he DJ parties and you know what
makes parties go. So he had a mission to give
e forty in two story hit records that went with
this movement that was happening in the bay and little
Short that's true, right, But the the sound that he

(01:07:04):
came with was like, I mean, he's an overachiever, no other,
no other ever on his earth. Like the ship that
was going on, there was hype in the bay. Didn't
sound nothing like to tell me when to go and
motherfucking um and and blow the whistle like and what
was kick the stink song he did? He didn't want
to kick too right, No, he didn't do one for kick, No,

(01:07:26):
he did. That's my word track Millian did that. Oh
it's that's that's just sound like a Jeans Rick Rock
did Blue. Little John was giving hypee Beach to niggas
Pete Pablo, Uh, he was beat to Yan Yang Twins.
That nigga was you know that fucking up Ussher and

(01:07:47):
uh and Little John that yeah, that's kind of hype
that when she was on that vibe come on, you
know what I'm saying. So and we got Rick Rock.
Rick Rock had a lot to do with the hype movement.
To man, the federation what they sound that I think
you seeing you're sounded. I call HiFi. If you want
to put a name hype on it is Rick Rock sound.

(01:08:07):
That's me. That's my personal London. Know what I'm saying.
Tracks a million was enhancing the sound. Little John did
a version of it, but that the heart of the babe,
that fucking but everybody was trying to be like a
sound like with Rick Rock. Rick roll out about it. Rock.
It's the truth. So you know that ship that should happened, man.

(01:08:28):
And then if the last thing I want to say is,
just like I said, you think hype is a fucking
time frame, that ship is still going on right now. Man,
it's the same. It's the same exact ship. It ain't changed.
Niggas are still hip. If the right song come on,
new or old, it's still crazy. Yeah, just a newer

(01:08:50):
type dance to a little flavor to it. They're doing
their dances because the dances never more than that surfaced.
They never really surface surface surface to the globe like
you makes you do it, the music makes you do it.
The whole bay had dress. Don't get fund up. We
didn't create driss. You know, like I say, dress being

(01:09:11):
around you know the way before we was even thought up.
You know what I'm saying. I'm saying. But at the
end of the day, the whole bay realized this had
no shirt song with dread locks. Everybody in the bay
had dress with no shirt song. Helen Nias in the
video with dred locks next to you know, the whole
world start growing up. I know we had a big

(01:09:31):
influence on the hip hop with that ship down right now,
New York had dress and like a more of a
different type of way. It was like different though when
this ship, when the ship hit the bay, when the
base having dress, it was different. It was shaking up.
They were just sinking them. Thank you for putting that
in perspective, because they want abody thinking of hating on

(01:09:51):
him or nothing. That's all Miami niggas had brains early, early, early,
But they wasn't sinking them like I said. They wasn't
like just like he said, they were taking That was
the best way to ever say it. They definitely had
the real day and they had to they had to
dress with they they had to dress. They had them
Rostafarian dress too, and the other kind. You feel me?

(01:10:12):
So yeah, hell yeah, the world been on them. Don't
get it sunked up. I don't want nobody take this
sound body being like man the first one with dress,
because they'll do that ship, they'll do that to be
they do that. You know what I'm saying. I'm just
saying we had a big influence. Yeah, they do that ship. Hey,
but hey, but Jesus had them first. How about that

(01:10:36):
Jesus Christ and dress. Huh. Now, I'll set you down
right now and play you a whole list of songs
that nobody's from the bag. It'll be some Tiger songs,
it might be some some y g to be some
risky kid me to to chains. I mean, listen long

(01:10:56):
Yo Gotti and this all HIKEI songs Drake and it's
the hype ain't going nowhere. It's a vibe that it happened,
and it's happening, and I think it comes from I
can take you back to like some early two shorts,
some early forty and it's hype. It's the same beat Mr. Flamboyant,

(01:11:16):
like it's hype like we've been doing it. It's just
it just it just got a name. Nothing about that,
y'all know nothing about that. It's hard. Why'll be telling
people the bay is like his own little world, you
know what I mean? And and with little John went
out there, he got a small taste of it. But like,
where did y'all get your vernacular? From the way you

(01:11:37):
pronounced stuff, do stuff, the way you move, just your
whole swag for you've always been known for creating words
like where did all that kind of wordplay come from?
Top of the line? Why don't call us rossy? It's
natural like an Afro. This ship, this ship is embroidered
in US. You know what I'm saying, Man, we got
we got this. We got don't get it funked up.
We got the South in US. You know, my daddy

(01:11:59):
for Mississippi. You understanding, my granddad, my mama's daddy and
mama they're from Louisiana. They're from Bernice, Louisiana. You're still
what I'm saying. Ship like that, So it's like we
got like you know, we got we got Richmond. The
Richmond folks, like I always talk about Richmond because you know, man,
when you talk about what got the South end that

(01:12:20):
they're gonna never leave, that's Richmond. May Hey, mate, hey mate,
you know what I'm saying, Richmond. You know what I'm
telling because I was laced by Richard. I was laced
by Richmond cass to like street niggas, like street niggas
from Richmond, like Bona Fide, Unstan and rappers South to
Magic Bank and count the teeth. You feel what I'm saying.
So it's like they came out. I to always say, man,

(01:12:41):
some of these Richard niggas come out here, nigga with
permanent They came out the womb with permanent gold teeth. Nigga. Yeah,
because they popped that ship. They got gang. You know
what I'm saying. So this whole babe, I think what
it is a lot of people, a lot of the
grandparents and stuff like that moved to the babe. They
went to Alan be the Air Force basically with the

(01:13:01):
Travis Air Force, basically with the Mare Island. They went
to all through all all through the Bay and set
up shot because it was in the military that you
know what I'm saying. The grandparents you know what, the
grandfather's and so they moved their family out here. And
that's and you put all that ship together, and the
bay just got a unique way of things. Don't get
it funked up. It's not. It's just a mixture of

(01:13:22):
you know. And I always say the town, it's like
you're understanding. And the nucleus they are they they they
they they're the center of the bay. Like they the ones.
They create a lot of ship. The town is Oakland,
you know what I'm saying. And I give them that.
And you know, I got a lot of my game
because they was living a We're from a small city.
We gaged up. Don't get it funked up, cause we

(01:13:44):
got the game from everywhere. Me and mcdrey and all
of us, we got the game from everywhere, but we
all had our own thing. So we got we got
the whole bait. And that's me and mc dre. We
had the whole bay in us. You know what I'm saying.
We have Oakland, Ritz and Frisco, he's Paliato. You understand me. Um,
you know what I'm And the whole the whole bank,
you feel me, so so on and so forth, and
and we had us. So you pull up if you

(01:14:08):
pull up on Hunters Point, you pull up on Fillmore,
you pull up West Southland, East Southland, Uh dip somewhere
like East Pola fucking Valletto Park, you know, Richmond. It's
all these slick ass, slick niggas that just old niggas
is older than us. That always was just cool as fun,

(01:14:30):
whether they was custling or pipping or just some old
like you said, old Southern nigga that just you know
how South nigga just be cool like you nick, you
don't even gotta have no money, but the nigga got cool.
And then we just we got that ship. And you
know what I'm saying, We and motherfucker you gotta have
you know, motherfucker walked up point. What's up? Bro? You

(01:14:50):
gotta say your your next thing gotta be some slick
and little niggathing like motherfucker tell me what's up? Hey,
what's up? Bro? Oh Man? Sometimes me always you you
gotta be ready. That's that shift I'm talking about, though.
For do you be saying some ship though to you

(01:15:11):
make you think after you hear it, because you didn't
really hear it the first time. Like you gotta what
do you just say? So here it is, Matt. You
know I'm one of them to do is. Man. You
know I can throw you five ounces a game, but
you only might catch two of them. You know what
I'm saying. It's gonna go over there here like an umbrella.
I'm telling you, like like right now, one of my
newest ones that I was. I made this up probably

(01:15:32):
bout a month ago. I was like, somebody asked me, man,
what you've been up to? I say, man, saying story different, worry.
You know, it's just a mixture of things. You know
what I'm saying. It's like, it's just a mixture of
things like the grip dont quit, man, It's like, this
is what we do. We specialize in vernacular and slang
and game and all that. Ship. My favorite new one, bro,
my favorite newes is you'd be sliding it so smooth.

(01:15:55):
It is the plandemic, he said the first time that, Sir,
I said, you said what I need. I need to
be in one of the Muscato commercials. Forty next time.
Let me know I'm gonna see y'all. I'm gonna say,
y'all care package. Man, I'm gonna get y'all all the
motherfucking alcohol. Bro, You're gonna have a bar hello right now,

(01:16:17):
I'm on Earl Stevens Watermelon speaking up? What you want?
What you want? What you want? What you wanted water?
That watermelon? That watermelt man? What you want? What you want?

(01:16:38):
What you want? You want coyper Bill bourbon eight age
for eight years. You want cyper Bill top? This is
top drawer, Bro, what you want? You gotta tell me
what y'all want? Do you want the cotton? Do you
do you want the Earl Stevens cotton, candy, sparkling wine cotton.
I just want to wine. I just want wine. I
just want wine. Also, so you want why so you want?

(01:17:01):
When I was drinking on versus? You want the mango skisnado?
Yeah that skisno Yeah, you brought it up. He speaking
of versus right here to short a love that he
let the blue lagol and I gotta go get there.
That dawn all came man and slurry cane is very effective.

(01:17:28):
Speaking of versus, y'all shut versus down. The numbers were crazy,
the energy was crazy. I remember I was in Texas
for AU and we had just played the game and
went to dinner. I had it on for all the
parents to watch. Y'all shut that ship down. How how
much fun was this as fun there as y'all made
it look, because y'all started drinking and got wet. Short
started changing outfits on this all kinds of ship before

(01:17:49):
he started then like us like, I got on my seat,
I got my I got I got on my seat
when I said, sha, put the uh with the agree
over the age jacket on it. Yeah, I see that.
I got my seat there, Bro, I got out my seat. Hey,
they was entertained like they entertained us. It wasn't just
throw your song against my son. They was real showman

(01:18:09):
games and been shipped out there. So how did that
come about it? How much fun did y'all have doing that?
First of all, Short, we sure get going this nicking comedy. Bro.
Let me tell you what what time he was in Detroit? Right?
What time? We in the MGM casino and we're just
now walking in show. I was like, Nick, I got

(01:18:30):
some pussy out there, and he just I said, okay, sure,
wenn talking to you later, and he just and then
he just slid off. He had to rent a card
and he just said he before he slid off, He
just and just slid off. Say this nig is short
and thow. So once you get short going, I'm telling
you to do this. And we did this many times

(01:18:50):
in our life in the studio and together any time
we gather up, but go ahead and tell him, tell
him how we did this ship short, tell him hand on.
It was just no no rehearse, no no talking points. No,
let's not discussed what we're gonna do and what we
ain't gonna do. Let's just go out there and do
what we do. And I knew that forty was you know,

(01:19:12):
something was he was gonna get a special something, something
was gonna be you know, he was gonna have moments,
he was gonna bring it and like he did. And
I was like, I gotta have some ship fits. I
gotta have something like that side keep up with the
water and ship. And now, you know, I just knew

(01:19:32):
that if we rehearsed it, or if we told each
other we was gonna do it, wasn't gonna be right.
And then the other part is everybody loved I was,
you know, I was invested in the g Z Gucci
thing because I remember when they was homies and we
was all hanging out, and I just you know that
at lattin days and and I kind of I think
I look at that as one of my my personal

(01:19:54):
hip hop tragedies of Gucci and Jess not spit teen
years to know that you. I'm gonna let you talk,
but I want to I want to say this. It's
a trip because I met Gucci and Jeez the same
day two thousand two. Who I was on um we
we we were shooting a video with Blue Da Vinci.
We was on big Beach bus in Atlanta. You understand me,

(01:20:16):
some free big beach man, you understand me. But I'm
just saying I got I got songs. I got great
songs with with Jeez, Young Jeezy and Gucci. Man, I
funk with them both. I got number loveing them brothers,
and I would it just it just made me feel
so good, man, when I see them dudes, you know,
you know, kind of patch it up in front of
the world and and show showmanship, man, to show show

(01:20:39):
the world that things can be. You know, things could
come out you know pretty good man. If you, if you,
if you, if you, if you open minded, you know
what I'm saying, so I'm gonna let you get back
to it to it. But a lot of verses UM
had that battle element where it came from, you know,
the first verses, the early ones was like let's battle
and see you know, you know, whether it's polic for

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fun or in that case of Jeezy and Gucci, everybody
was watching because it was so real, like it was
just you know, the real elements of it. So we
knew about all the verses. I've seen Jill and Eric
and we see it, you know, all of them. You
know the style it was going into one thing. We
was like, well man, we were wrapping that baber, so
you know, right off the rip, we gotta be different

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than anything that ever happened in Versus. Ever, that's the
first thing in foremost so we uh they came up
with that. That was you and Larry and all the Swissing,
all them. They came up with to let's celebrate the
bay and I was I was kind of like not
really on board any kind of way you looked at it.
I was like, I'm a fan of Versus, but I
don't want to be I don't want to battle nobody
like too short against somebody. I don't want to do that.

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And then when they devised the the concept of the
celebrate the Bay and tell the story of the Bay,
I'm like, now that I can get here. And then
all we had to do was um, a little bit
of tequila some we had some slur cane up there.
It was was like y'all was on one for real.

(01:22:03):
You know. We were just kind of like, hey, we
just went there. Man. Like I literally like I haven't
I haven't watched it back, but I literally like enjoyed
that as a moment in my memory is like a
really good time I had. Like it was fun. I
mean you could sing along literally like I said, we
was at the time, I forgot what restaurant, Jack, what's

(01:22:24):
the I'm forgetting this pissing me off? And we go
to Dallas the little Uh, what's the big restaurant. It's
it's in Houston. It's the seafood and all the no,
no at all, yo. So we took the whole team. Yeah,
how did I forget that? We took that. We took

(01:22:45):
the kids whole team there. So the kids are at
one table, parents at the other table. I had my
phone set up and I put in the company. It
was blasting. Everybody was singing, and we was danced like
we had a really good time. No, we've got fucked
up listening to everything. Everybody got drunk, but we had
like a real good time, just like I said, But
such great memories the time from the beginning to the end.

(01:23:05):
You could sing along with everything. Man, So we definitely
wanted to slute you all for that, man, because y'all
definitely bless us with that that. You know we do.
You know what we did before, thank y'all. Man. You
know what we did before we even got it started.
We prayed. You know. You know I'm here to encourage you.
I'm not trying to act like I'm a saying or anything.
I was raised by Granddaddy Thurman. You know what I'm saying, Um,

(01:23:28):
Reverend Thurman. You know Charles Thurman. That's that's uncle st Charles, Daddy,
my mom and daddy. You know what I'm saying. He
was a preacher sixty years in the game. You know,
die when he's eighty two years old. You know what
I'm saying. But I'm saying I got that in me,
and I pray into any situation like if before you
even have a conversation, even if it's some three stuff
or whatever. It is, any difficult situation, if you got

(01:23:48):
to make a um a choice, you know, you pray
on them period in life in general. And that's what
we did. We this was this didn't had nothing to
do with none of that, but it was like, let's
pray on it for a successful night. Asked God to
put the blood Jesus wrong, the blood Jesus around our
family at home. That to be a successful event, and
let us all get back safe. And Jesus name a man.
And that's what we did, and it became one of

(01:24:09):
them was and then me and short one to go
pick up a bag after that or during and after
of late. Not to change the tone, but I think
this person is important just in the whole game overall.
We've seen Dre in the hospital. Obviously we wish him
a speedy recovery. To your guys eyes and seeing this

(01:24:32):
whole journey of music, how important is Dre's path in
in music? Man he was you know he was before
he was before us. I believe it was the world
class record crew. Yeah, you know, uh it turn off
the license dates before I turned off to I used

(01:24:57):
to slap that hell out of mister Lacey album. I'm serious,
like I had a Blue. I Had a Blue. That
was her singing that before she was famous. She was
singing that song on World Class Record Crew. See okay,
I'm okay, I'm in there you and I'm in there.
So you know, like Dr Dre, you know, I'm gonna
tell you right now, man, that dude is iconic. He
means so much. You know, as I get older, I

(01:25:19):
get wiser, you look back, you're like, dude. You know,
dude really brought a lot to hip hop overall, not
just the West Coast overall, you know, and he's still
setting examples. I mean, this man is you know, pretty
much a billion there man. You know what I'm saying,
This man gave up a lot to get to and
and and God blessed it with way more. You know.

(01:25:41):
You know, Drey is really really really important man, from
uh you know, just cultural standpoint of how he is
one of the biggest in the game and you want
to like brag on your region. You know, I got
pluff daddy, I got baby cash money with ever. You know,
we got Dr Dre, we got you know, West Coast

(01:26:03):
hip hop legend, a fucking billionaire. You know what I'm saying,
made it off hip hop, So the dream is there.
So I'm just saying, um and on it. From a
technical standpoint, you got Dr Dre in the game even
before Too Short and fucking Iced Tea. Like he's out
there making records and he's the nigger who early on

(01:26:28):
brings you Easy. Then follows that up with ice Cube
Wren and they come as a group called n w A.
And then at the same time, I was on tour
with m w A when they went on on the
Straight Out of Conference tour. I was on that tour
because I had Freaky tails out and Easy was my homie,
and um, while we on tour, Dr Dre and Easy

(01:26:50):
dropped d o C's album. And while he's on tour,
he's nobody and body the end of the tour, he's somebody,
you know what I'm saying. And he came home and
like he's famous, Like you got the hottest album out.
I have forgot that story. I talked to DNC and
he reminded me he's like, while I'm on tour, the
tour ends and as it ends, I'm the hottest artist
out at the moment, and I mean Drake later on

(01:27:14):
comes he brings you uh you know, a large part
of Toothpac that we love. You know. I don't know
if Dre did all that Toothpac death Fro stuff, but
I'm saying like just jumping off California was enough. When
the pot came home to just that Dre stamp and
it was just you know, the vibe Drake. Dre gave
us some uh fifty cent them and them like just

(01:27:37):
just snoop snoopy dog. He's by Dre, like he just
just I mean, he's just important, man, That's all it is.
Like he really is important. I'm gonna tell you one thing.
We used to take the Chronic and it was like
a few songs on there, like probably like three songs
that we used to use. Listen to the first Chronic

(01:27:58):
album and we would we would mix our songs and
then we will play Dre song, and then we play
our song and we go if the ship don't sound
close to Dre a song, we gotta go back at
the studio and mixing some more. Like like we gotta
like like literally, I I made a lot of records
like using the Chronic as the bar. That's how important

(01:28:21):
Dre is. That's real that you spoke on Short, you
spoke on Easy. Can you speak to your relationship and
what you guys are both young in the game and
coming up. What was that relationship Like, well, you know
in the hip hop game, man, we we um we
like to have the moments where you the hottest Canada

(01:28:42):
summer or you got a banger. That's an anthem, you
know what I'm saying. We we we thrive for their
moments and being easy. And it was like summer eighty seven,
pushing in eight. We had Boys in the Hood and
Freaky Tails was out at the same time, and it
was like deniably the trump was just we owned the

(01:29:02):
trunk while them two records was out. We just had
that moment and that was he was doing an easy
solo thing, but they were prepping for, you know, getting
ready for n w A. So when n w A
came out, that thing just just blew up straight out
of competence, just blew up. And I mean I was
out there on that same level, you know, in that

(01:29:23):
same audience and Easy. It was like, I'm gonna take
this dude too short with me, So I got to call,
He's like, like you want to go on to him, like,
I've never been on tour. I'm like, that was you.
That was your first time touring, man, that was the
first time going into arenas and it sold out and
it's the you know, the the light come on and
it's like, oh my god, this whole stadium and so yeah,
that's first time. So you know, um yeah, I credit

(01:29:47):
Easy for that and I went on that tour. When
I got out on tour, I dropped The Life Is
Too Short the album and it was at like three
hundred thousand sales. When the tour ended, I was at
eight hundred thousands sales just from the tour. Another another
you know, five hundred thousand. Then I get off tour

(01:30:07):
and it thinks, l like another five hundred thousand, like
just right, like it's just like that that whole you know,
connected with Dre and Easy, like that just just changed everything.
That was the beginning of my friendship with ice Cube,
which is a lifelong friendship. That's you know that you know,
just the same as always was right now and it's
just you know that that was that moment where you

(01:30:29):
you know, you you know, get out in the world,
and it's the it's the first time you you know,
I've come home. I got the Mercedes in the housepit
of pool. Oh you know all that type of ships.
So that was that moment in life. And Easy was
he was like a real you know, like let's talk
about you say, how important is Dre? How important it's Easy?

(01:30:50):
Because Easy Easy goes and gets the bag that brings
Dre out of world class record crew where he wasn't
happy or you know, I talked to Lines on his
and his version, but Dre clicked up with Easy. They
started doing that thing. Easy was grinding in the streets,

(01:31:11):
putting that money together for them to make that move,
you know. And I mean if you just think if
you put Dr Dre on the Easy family tree, I
mean that tree is tremendous man with with the ice
cubes and the bone thugs and the d o cs
and a bud of law and Michell Leihan and and

(01:31:34):
it goes to eminem and fifty sending anybody you want
to connect to anything that came from the Easy branch.
The man you take away Easy and none of that happens.
What is what I mean? Like like for real though,
So he had that he had that vision man, and
he was you know, he was he was a business
guy and he was he was what I've seen him

(01:31:56):
in action. He was a short dude, but he always
stayed trap and he always I've never seen him like
in the movie when they he had to be scary
and whatever in the movie. I've never seen that ship.
I've never seen I heard that too. They said he
wasn't backing down to nobody. Yeah, I didn't see that.
I've seen him a lot of times like buck up

(01:32:17):
on people and like what like I So you know,
I know he was really in the streets. I talked
to the guys who was like I used to uh
serve with him. I used to serve him what he had.
I've seen they liked the nigger really was out there.
So um, he had a lot of kids. Yeah, he
was on tour. He had more. He had more bitches

(01:32:37):
than all of us, like like by hard like you nink.
It was a super player and you know he was
a baller man. So you know the rest. So y'all
both just recently UH dropped the bundle album forty for You.
It's your twenty seven short for you, your twenty second

(01:32:59):
about that project. Oh oh man, come on man, yeah yeah,
so so so, um, you know we did we did
the Versus on the ninetees and we you know that
Friday was a good day to drop music. I had one.
I had an album playing. Actually it was gonna be
an EP curb commentator channel three. Um, so I was like,

(01:33:24):
you know, let me throw a curveballing and let's postpone
that and just call it. You know, stand me terms
and conditions, you understand me. And then I resume you know,
the curb commentator later on, you know what I'm saying.
And so, you know, Short was like, you know, I'm
dropping too, and I was like, let's put it in
the so so who's that who? Galing Galen has said

(01:33:44):
let's put it, let's bombs put it in a bundle,
you know what I'm saying. I like, that's that's just
that makes sense that you know that way we can
just you know, we get on each other songs like
we always do, you know what I'm saying, And we
put it half on on the pr campaign. It's a
whole lot of it. There was a whole lot of
pluses to bundling the albums together, but then it was

(01:34:04):
also like it's versus, and we took the opportunity to
kind of like if you listen to the projects, they
really it's really like Oh to the Bay, Like it's
really real baish, like real managed based out. And that
was done on purpose on my side for show, for show,

(01:34:24):
like really just trying to make it like I don't
even I wasn't even trying to get you know, like
really like commercial vibe. I just wanted like some real
street babe bump to go with Versus. And then you know,
we we got the Mountain Westmore project coming. Westmore is
gonna be huge, man, mount Westmore is gonna be huge.
That's gonna be huge. This is I want to see.

(01:34:46):
I didn't mean to cut you off short, but I
want to get up out of this mother fan motherfucker
pandemic so that so that group can go on tour.
That's what I want. I want to see that lot.
You know, hearing it's gonna be great, but seeing it
in person it's gonna be incredible. Want to hear Curb commentator.
I cannot wait to hear Curb commentator the Curb commentator.
I'm back on it. I'm right. Look the grip. Don't

(01:35:09):
quite with me every day I'm in it's this Newdo
you understand me? And I'm going crazy? And uh, I
just feel like if I'm in my right mind and
I got my life health and strength, and I got
God on my side, I'll be able to make music forever.
As long as I'm in my right mind and I
got my life health and strength. That's very important, right mine,
life health and strength. That means a lot that way,

(01:35:31):
because I'm my sarftuvity and everything else is gonna be there.
Adaptabilities come on exactly, man, and I and I and
I'm in the loop like a hula hoop. You know
what I'm saying. I ain't out the frame. I'm in
the game. Hello, you know you got y'all have spoken earlier.

(01:35:51):
But what is the transition into business been like for
you guys? I mean saying, you know, black business owner,
these days are very important for do you got a
lot of stuff going on in the in the in
the alcohol space. Talk to us for a second about
what that, what that means to you and how important
that is to you. Okay, this is important for me
right now to actually plugging this phone right now, plug

(01:36:12):
let me plugging in for I don't want it to
die on me. Well, I'm talking to y'all, so i'd
rather have I'd rather have a messed up speaker when
I often put you on the loud speaker, right quick,
hold on while I talk to you. Yes, then what
I'm saying? Okay, can y'all hear me? Now? Can you
hear me? You said you said like you call it
from jail, but we can hear you know, you know,

(01:36:33):
you know the sign like you know the sounds like
he sound like he's he's sound like on the intro
one love what a bit call him when I call him?
Look at this mate? You can you hear me? Now? Yeah?
Go ahead, listen? Get them ship? Look at the look
at the look at the spring make a way out

(01:36:58):
of no way? Was the substitute way? You know? Now?
We sounded cool? Now? Yeah? Hello? So, um, what we're
talking about? What we're talking about? Some m what was
we talking about? Black business back? Black business owner and
in your company for shore for show for shore for show?
Hey man? Look and then you can go to my

(01:37:20):
Instagram right now. I just like to display certain things
and show people that I ain't just know you understand me.
I ain't. I ain't late like a holiday freight, you
know what I'm saying. Like I've been on my Entrepreneur
by Black, you know Black Excellence just there in the
third you know, show, trying to show improve, trying to
show people that you can be an entrepreneur at a
young age. You know, you gotta stand out. Dare in
my in my in my teens, I was like like

(01:37:42):
fresh out of nineteen when I had the clothing store
and called New Fat Clothing. Me and me and d
Shot And now in fact I was I was eight
nineteen eighty nine, you know what I'm saying. So me
and d Shot my brother. We went got a clothing
store on Salano Avenue. We bought we went to the garden,
the district buck clothes we ordered from. You know, back

(01:38:02):
then it was like um carawl can I you know,
like you know, cross colors, those kind of a lot
of rayon stuff like jeans, spray painted jeans and and
what you call them, um different clothes. So he was
a fashion muggle. Man, I ain't know this part. Yeah,
I have a clothing store. I was a young mustache

(01:38:23):
from the soil from that ship everybody. Everybody knew it,
you know what I'm saying. But I knew how to
I knew what I was doing. You know, we had
we had real fixtures come through there, you know, spend
money with us and whatnot. It was beautiful and um,
you know, we just so happened and I take my
little bread that I make on that and go walk

(01:38:43):
down three four. Okay, so you have you have to clothe.
You had to check cashing store right next door to us.
First you had first you had Davenport, they was on
our left. Then you had had that. Um, that's a
that's a that's they do taxes and stuff. They do
a lot of some lebrity taxes because he used to
bring greaters through there and everything to us store. Like
you know what I'm saying, like wow, you know I'm saying,

(01:39:07):
shout out to the white before my in my in,
my in, my accountant, Keith Towns. You understand here for
thirty something years, you understand what I'm saying. I'm giving
me the t straight and not fake. Right. Look, so
look so then next to the next door to us,
at New Fair Clothing, we had to check it was
a check cash and center, right then next to that,
you understand me, I forgot what was next to that,

(01:39:28):
and I forgot to think it was. I don't know.
I don't think it was a larndry, but I think
it was like a little I don't know, I don't
know what that was. But right next to that was
rich Arts Barbershot. Okay, then next to next, next next
to rich Ards Barbershot, it was it was it was
studio Tone Studio. It was sent to man, I wish
I could stay. Huh. Pep said that a studio with Tone, Man,

(01:39:52):
I wish I could stay. I got holl that matter
because we got money to make. Come on, had them beats, man,
he had them beats. So we go to the studio Tone,
so student Tone. So I take my little my little
bread I made at the clothing store, and I'm gonna
put a little deposit. Damn right, I say, Tom check gag.
I'm gonna need like full hours. That's all. Back then,

(01:40:12):
that's all I needed was full hours because I had
some much gas. I had so much game to release
because I was a young mustache, you know, and I'm
going there and knock out three or four songs, you know.
So that's how end. You know, we just kept whipping
the ass. We start beating their asks without the belt,
you know what I'm saying. You know, And that's then
then you start hearing forty and the click. You start

(01:40:36):
hearing about us, you know what I'm saying. So that's
how that all went in Here I am years later.
You know, I don't have fat burgers clubs all kind
of when you stop all kinds of stuff like that. Now,
I'm selling a dope beverages. You understand me. I'm you know,
I'm into the I'm in forty five different tech companies.
You understand me. I'm to give it a t straight
in our faith. You understand me. You know what I'm saying.

(01:40:58):
You know, Hey, there's so many things means I can
display to you, but I'm in the food and beverage.
That's my main thing right now, Food and beverage. You
feel me. So be on the lookout for the good
with the Spoon book, you know what I'm saying, A
cooking show, good with the Spoon products co packing. Also,
I'm involved with the Loompia Company. I'm co owner of

(01:41:19):
the Loompia Company. You can go to the town and
find that because we're gonna be co packing that too.
You'll find that and like your Walmarts and you're you know,
understand me, your costcos, your safe Ways and you know
your your local supermarkets. Man, you understand me. We global.
We're gonna be global, not local. You understand me. So
we're gonna spread that thing. Man. You know they ain't
got me started. Man, I'm right now. It's watermelon. You

(01:41:41):
should have never gotten started. Man, it's not good to
get me started because I talk your year off. You know,
I'm from the bell like to hear myself talk. Hello.
I need to get some of that watermelon. I need
to get some of that watermelons. So crazy outside of music, short,
what kind of stuff are you into? Oh? Man? When
you know, you know, I gotta like it's it's uh,

(01:42:01):
it's it's it's just uh, the same thing with everybody else. Man,
We're just it's just shipped on the table. We just
do it. We do it. I can sit here and
run down the list of what all is going on, man,
but I'm taking at the top of the list is
my Westmore. That's that's what we're working on every day.
I'm sitting there right now about to push up to Uh,
I'm about to push over the snoop spot right now.

(01:42:22):
We we finalized in the mix on them on the
last few songs for the first wave, so it's probably
gonna be like three four waves. But you know, the
Westmore is at the top of the list. I can
I can get a running down the soda pops and
merch stuff and the and the and the weed we do.
We just launched the whole weed line and and you
know the the we're adding the pre Ruther. I mean,

(01:42:44):
the ship goes forever like it's just a hustler, man.
I I can't really I I don't really like uh,
you know, I don't every day I wake up. Man,
it's like I don't never sit, like for what the
shade earl. Don't let the grass grow under your feet.
You can the grounds growing to your feet? Man. Yeah, yeah,
so that's that's that's that's my style right there. Just

(01:43:05):
never look down and see that grass growing around you. Man.
We keep it moving, keep it moving, keep keep it hustling, man,
alright man. Other in other words, the grip, don't quit.
M dig that. We appreciate you. But if you do
want to tap into two short story dot Com. That's cool, man,
you can you can get a lot of good ship.
Then at your story. Man. You know what I'm saying

(01:43:25):
is it's a wonderful place to go. Get you, get
you a bit buddy, shout out. Hey, we're gonna we're
gonna hit We're gonna we're gonna let y'all get going.
In a second, we're gonna hit you with some quick hitters.
First thing to come to mind, answer Jack, take it.
If you guys put together dream Team Tour. In addition

(01:43:48):
to yourselves, name three artists a group past the present
that would be with you that you bring along. Um,
I say one of you say one short all right, Uh,
I'm gonna say you said the group to. I'm gonna
say to click Okay, I'm gonna take Snoop Dogg to
dog Pound. I'm gonna pull up. I'm gonna take my
guys what I got right now. I'm gonna call I

(01:44:09):
just the niggas to sell out, and I'm gonna call
you forty. We're gonna get up out of here, keep pushing, man,
gonna we're gonna sell out everywhere we go. Easy money.
I think we don't really need no I'm not trying
to sound arrogant, but I think I mean, come on, man,
you got you got four of your favorite rappers that
can really pack. We can pack the house easily. A
few times, we could do two shows at night. I

(01:44:30):
really feel that way. You got Eve forty. You've got
no particular order. We're gonna get order. We got fucking
we got Snoopy Dog. I call it stupper dog. Track
me up because when I was in that amsterdamn some
some cats came up to me, some some Asian guys.
They was like, snoopy dog, snoopy Dog. I'm like, I'm
not snoop Dog. What's What's what's up? What's the next?

(01:44:52):
What's the next? One? Next question is who in the
game right now? Young rapper? One young rapper each, y'all.
You know we're checking four right now. One young rapper
that I'm trying to see come up. Man is my
little hometown home. He gap Dad Man. I recently worked
with him gab Dad thousand and uh. And I like
his work empic. I like his its momentum building and stuff.

(01:45:15):
You know, he from the town. Man. What's open? Man?
I wish your brother a lot of success, Man, because
he's real talented, you know, and he's doing good. Ain't
doing real good, so you know, shout out to the hometown.
If you guys played three on three, excuse me, if
you guys put together at three or three basketball against
each other, who would be on your teams? But if
y'all picked the three or three squads for as Rappers

(01:45:36):
are like real basketball players, basketball players, and we were
and we was the coach. Yep, you gotta pick three
players each. Okay, I got mine, I got I got
Steph Curry, I got killing out Warriors. Man, hold on, man,
back up like a scrap. I got Steph Curry, ever Durrant,

(01:46:02):
and we gotta have some defense too. We gotta have
some defense. Well, they got defense too, and Clay Thompson.
Fuck it, we're good. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry
to Warriors, I'm sorry. You know, I'm sorry. But that's

(01:46:23):
what it is. It is. Come on, who's gonna argue
with that? Who got a project? That? What you got
shot with that? I just if you're gonna go get
lights out and just everybody just shoot your life oute,
I'm gonna have to just go get huh. I need
like three players that like fight really good because we
don't have to get out there and roughing boys. Ain't

(01:46:46):
even thinking like offense, man, we're thinking like just just
all fucking fouls and shady ship that shut down defense man.
We got shutting boys down. Man. You know you know,
you know it. I'm I'm gonna go. I'm I'm gonna
go get a h like I always uh, I always
gotta roll with name Lily Man. That's my guy. Man.

(01:47:07):
I love this game. Damn see, they gotta give me more.
They gotta give me more more than just they just
gave me three. I love this game. I'm biases. I'm
a warrior, that's all. But I love Dann Man. That's
that boy vicious in the vocal booth and on the
and on the court. Hello, yes, sir short like that there,

(01:47:28):
um um, I would say a D two man because
he's uh down there. Your your team is stacking up
pretty well. Yeah yeah. And I need like a like
a bully man. I need like a like a um
like a like a sharp sharp sharp shooter, like like

(01:47:51):
like one of them boys don't like Milwaukee or something
man like a Middleton and like somebody who knock knocked
down shots and got like a little little little girl,
you know, d go take them forty. You can't be
just picking out a warrior all stars, man, Come on, man,
we're just trying to make this interet alright, So look,

(01:48:13):
who should we have on all the smoke rapper wise?
It gotta be somebody I have access to. Gotta be
somebody you have excess. I want to hear from Jigger.
I don't want to hear with jigger. Okay, what's going on?
Hit him up short? You can be able to hit
him up short. I don't have no jig none of that,
So I'm not gonna be able to help you with

(01:48:33):
that part. I just say that would be great to see.
I got number love for Jacob, I really do for
Jay Z for I sincerely do absolutely hook us up short.
But you got short man, Jake. I don't know who
you call it. Get in touch with Jay Man, I

(01:48:53):
don't know who you You probably get a Texas call
in through Beyonce and yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna hear
bunt up see if he can make it happen. Yeah,
you go to te go to Texas round getting there?
Quicker um man? Uh? Who who should you get like,

(01:49:15):
for real, have y'all had killing Mike? It? No, uh,
killing Mike. He got a lot of game and he
got a lot of like, he got like a lot
of right now you know, opinions and logic and ship.
So that's who I would say, killing Mike. That's a
really good call, hey man. But we appreciate you guys

(01:49:36):
this time. Man, we lost track of time. I think
we've been doing this for like two hours. But man, yeah,
I appreciate you all. Man. Best to luck with Mount Westmore.
We can't wait to hear it. Be a part of it. Man,
Thank you all. That's a rap special episode with Living
Legends E forty and too Short. You catch all the
smoke on Showtime Basketball YouTube in the I Heart platform

(01:49:57):
Black Effects. We'll see you all next time. This is
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