Uncle Luke Faced the Supreme Court and Saved Hip-Hop's Authenticity

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hmmm, Philip, we appreciate the time.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I've heard a ton of dudes how inspirational you were
to them. And obviously we're gonna talk about how we
don't feel you're celebrating in this grand scheme of things.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
But when you hear the real ones that.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
You attached and you affected give you your flowers, what
does that mean to you?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I always looked at it for so many years like
I was the Rodney Danger feeling of hip hop, you know,
coming from Miami, coming from the South, you know, when
you know, being a person who discovered Southern hip hop,
you know, when coming up in the era of being
a DJ and only spending music from you know, New

(01:01):
York and then spending music from LA and so when
we eventually ended up starting to do the music, you know,
it was it was a kind of resentment, more so
from the East Coast part of it, because it was
it was their baby. You know. They were like, hey man,
we ain't fucking with nobody else. You know, it's all

(01:22):
about New York, you know, and so, which is understandable.
But later on down the line it became Okay, we're
doing what we're doing. You know, we eventually you don't
have to fight our way into certain things in certain places.
But eventually people started respecting the music for what it was.
And then lately, I would say probably the last probably

(01:47):
last eight years, eight to ten years, people started giving
the flowers into respect to what we built.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
We just had a conversation with DC a couple of
weeks ago in Dallas. He just got all the rights
back to his music five years later. He said he
never thought he would see it. Congratulations to you. You
had a similar situation. I mean, what does that mean
to you? And how frustrating was that process? You really
can enjoy it now?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, when a motherfucker sampleon ship, yeah,
you know, you know you can, you know you're gonna
get you know, resisus from it. You know, a large
part of my catalog, you know. You know, I thought
I was doing the right thing because again I'm pioneering. Shit,
I'm like first one to own and operate a record company, manufactured,

(02:33):
distributed the product, you know, unlike anybody else, you know,
trying not to get jammed up in the taxes. I'm
looking at how people lost their businesses and lost their catalog.
So I started surrounding myself with you know, lawyers and
accountants thinking they would be kosher and shit. But you know,

(02:54):
they were out there, you know, in my opinion, still
still the shit.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
You know, which they they were able to do it.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
They were able to infistrate what we had built, you
know at that time, you know, with the two Live
Crew and H Town and.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Stuff like that. Artists like that, they kind of worked them.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And eventually, you know, I lost the case, and I
was still getting sued by a lot of people because
back then, you know, we.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Were just sampling shit.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
So I had a lot of sample lawsuits going on,
and eventually ended up you know, they filed this same
trick guy filed the involuntary bankruptcy, got three creditors, and
then the file against me.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
So I originally did not go into bankruptcy.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
It was an involuntary but then at the same time
I had all these little lawsuits, and you know, when
I did have the lawyer talk to him about it,
I was like, oh shit, it's a way to spell relief.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
I'm gonna just go ahead and convert it in to
a JAP eleven, get rid of all this ship.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
And because I make records, I mean records don't make
me more, Yeah, I can make more. So then I
end up discovering Pitbull after that, trick Daddy in and
a whole bunch of other artists and doing solo albums
and continuously did what I did. But then I lost it,
had that because I had to do a deal within

(04:23):
the bankruptcy to actually, you know, sell.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
A large part of the cantalog. You know, eventually I
ended up.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
So then that's what I had to fight to get back,
which we got back a couple.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Of weeks ago. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, so it was
a it was a different kind of way. You know.
That's why I can't I can't wait for the story
to be told.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know, are you making it?

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, yeah, I actually but on the way here, I
signed the contract with Paramount Movie. Yeah, so it's gonna be.
It'll be able people be able to see the real story.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
We bringed through it.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
But Dino was one of the callers motherfuckers ever. Oh yeah, yeah,
he was one of the call us motherfuckers every singing.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yeah, no question about that. He was one to call one,
no question about it.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I mean the way I found them was through Low White.
Low White played ball for for Houston all Us at
the time, and he you know him, He linked up
with the manager and all that, and they were trying
to find that somebody to do a deal with them,
and and Low White kept telling me about this group the.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Lead singer for Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
They kept telling me about this group called the JITs,
and it was like the JITs. And so I went
to go see Low White playing do a show at
the same time.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Eventually stayed over the listen to these kids and I heard.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Him at that time, they had to be like teenagers.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, they had to be seventeen years in high school. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
And I'm from around the air, so I remember all that,
so you okay, yeah yeah yeah. So I was like,
first of all, we got we gotta lose this motherfucker.
I was like, Yota call ya.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Time was perfect though.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
The screw all that was popping around the town, that
was perfect.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, bro. And they used to screaming on the radio.
I think Grave Street was that.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, like time, I'm like, well you mother, each time
that y'all gonna represent it, take it your crib, ain't
nobody else using it.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
So that's how that was.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Fire Town for those that don't know you took this,
You was taken to uh to Supreme court over music
and lyrics and stuff now and you end up winning. Now,
a lot of them kids today are even the benefits
of that.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
They could say what they want.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
And you know what I'm saying, can you talk about
that and how well we we actually don't feel you
get enough props for that, but can you talk about
how kids are benefiting from that today and don't understand.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
What you went through for them to be able to
benefit from it. Yeah, I mean, let me tell you
it was like ship. It was. It was almost like
a civil rights movement at the time, you know. And
I don't use that word loosely because people died.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Through the civil rights movement, you know, and people you know,
we would go to city, go to jail, get arrested,
go to court, you know, eventually ended up in the
Supreme Court, like you say, being banned from arenas, couldn't
go in certain places, couldn't go, couldn't sleep in certain times,
you know, because of the music. So you know, a

(07:27):
lot of kids today they don't understand that, you know. Uh,
you know, they changed the name from popp and Pussy
to Turk and you know what I'm saying, ship.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, you know, so they didn't understand that, you know, Okay,
all right, no, motherucker, that was it. And their mamas
just explained to them, Nah, motherfucker, we did that, ship
doing it and that's how they got it. Yeah, that's
how you got here, you know, And that's how you
got it. So that's what you got it. You got
it your mama. So y'all, mother can say invented nothing.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
So so we were going through that. We basically we
went through all those trials and add that on.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Top of being an outcast being these country ass niggas
from the South. Now you're doing shows with every rock
Him and run DMC and all them, you know. But
unfortunately I knew them dudes because when I was when
I started, I was a DJ. I kind of brought
hip hop to Miami. But just now you're you're playing

(08:29):
in the same arena and they playing in and it's
like it's a competition. You know, you ain't get ready
to go rock the mic and you're not from New York,
you know, so he has game time. So it was
it was a lot of resentment for the industry. It
was a lot of resentment from uh, from the actual
people who wanted to stop us. And then politics played

(08:51):
a big role into it because every politician when he
was running he used us as upon the game, like Yo,
we're gonna stop this fucking uh tree of music and
this Luke and all that, and I'm running on that
to clean up the community and everything.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
So you know, you had all different types of elements.
So eventually, you.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Know, got sued by uh damn George Stein, not George Stein,
but George Lucas Star Wars because my name was my
nickname sky right, That's like I said, it was Cheerio cheer.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I was like, why the fun y'all ain't Kenny Skywalker?
He was? He was using so they, I mean, I
got sued by them.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I was getting sued everywhere you could name it, you know,
But because it was all of the content of the music,
so I understood that it was gonna a fight. You know,
my uncles and my dad would teach me about black history.
They maybe read every book, whether it was h Rap
Brown Malcolm makes you deem it.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
So I kind of knew things in full suckles.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
When you're a black man with a voice. They're gonna
come after you. And then you're independent something not affiliated
with a major record. So I mean, shit got deep.
But then I was preparing for it, you know, I
knew it was a lot of DJs in the South.
They was dealing with a real nigga. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

(10:24):
they got the right.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
But I was like, you got the right, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
You ain't got no mother who don't know how you
how you motherfuckers is moving. So yeah, I fought they
asked they were trying to drag me, you know, that's
what they normally do. They'll drag you to suck the
blood out of you, suck all your resources, turn you
back into what they perceived you as, being a broke
black man, you know, and they weren't. I wasn't gonna
lie that to happen because along the way, I was

(10:48):
building my brand through the bullshit, you know. So I
knew you, okay, you banning the record, I'm gonna use
that to build up the brand, build up the company,
you know. And that's how the Age Towns and all
them came about. That's why it was it was sex.
They were luke R and B you know, I ain't
know what the fun knocking the boots was, but when
they explained it to me, you know this, you know,

(11:10):
and oh ship, So that's what we're gonna do. That's
gonna be the first single. You know, that's you all version.
So yeah, but it was it. I mean it was
a deep move.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
I mean, speaking of that, I'm gonna me so horny
face down, ass up.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
We want some pussies pop that coochie to it. I mean,
we know it ain't no mister to his history. The
fun shot. You gotta be living at to come up
with them titles. You got to be living there, you gotta.
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'm like, man, I come from Miami. These motherfuckers run
around naked. You know. The rest of the world no,
you know, I know, if you from Boise, Idaho or someplace,
you good. We I mean people go to the beach
with thumb z on. I mean they toppless on the beach. So,
I mean that's where we came from. But then at
the time we had to be different. We can't be

(12:08):
break dancing and ship and doing you know, stickers. So
when album covers had to be a reflection of Miami. Yeah,
We're on the beach laying between girls legs and they
got thongs on.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
That's Miami.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
You know, that's Miami. So hey, I can't I'm we're
gonna be talking about pop. That puzzy mama's out there, Uy,
Like how you think you got here?

Speaker 4 (12:34):
How you? Yeah? Yeah, how you think you got here?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
A lot of y'all got here because your daddy ain't
had no game, so you had to throw on the
loop one one.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
We're having some fun in that room.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
No gay, Is it true that Bruce Springs thing really
gave you the green light to use bandon?

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, yeah, I actually I talked to him because you know,
I ain't want to do like these new Jack dudes
do right now.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well, they'll take your song and they'll sample.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Your ship and you be on the record and your
music and they ain't even.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Holler at you or nothing. You know a lot of
that going right now.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know, I don't think I have one person I
don't give whether it's French Montana, whoever may be, that
call up and say, yo, man.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
You know respect men. I want to use the song.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
They just yeah, they just they just go and use
the song. I go call somebody and get the rights
to use it. But I felt like it was really
important to get on the phone. If I'm gonna use
the song, I can use it because my Supreme Court
case was a parody case, and so it gives you

(13:46):
the right to use you know, content, you know, whether
or not you get the approval. But I just felt
like it was it was it was the right thing
to do. And when I talked to him, he understood
the struggle because it was everywhere. I mean I was
on every show you know, talk about what's free speech,
you know, how music is being under attack and everything

(14:09):
like that. So he understood, you know, he understood the fight.
And I wanted to do that album to really like
put that ship out there. Name of the album, banded
in the USA, you know, do the song switch over
born in the USA, make it band in the USA.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
And when he gave us the right to do that,
it was like it was classic. He got it. You
can tell you got it.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, most people don't know that was the first downloaded
record in the history of the music business. Oh really, yeah,
I didn't even know there was that ship. I forget
what year. Because I wanted to.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I wanted everybody to have the record on fourth of July,
google that dealing. What year was that?

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, yeah, I said, I want every radio station to
have it to play it at the same time.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
It's a crossover. Yeah, yep, yeah, yep. That's crazy. It
don't seem like that was that long.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
He ain't tell us that Martinez and Navarro story standing
from the song fuck Martinez.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
And Governor you yeah, the governor and dan Quell with
the vice president. So Bartina is, let's take Navarro first.
So Navarro was.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Would hang around with Heraldo. They were the first fucking
reality TV show.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yes, yeah, they got Herald as nose broke to exactly
ex live for the world exactly. They ran around with
the fucking cameras and you know with Navarro bust and
cocaine deals and ship like that, going.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Up the house and this motherfucker. Okay, now you're a
fuck with me, you feel me? Yeah, got the right
one again, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
So he then goes and run up into the store
and took the records.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Out of the store. We banned and ship you know,
these X.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Rated records and all that, and this would not happen.
So they made the whole show about it. So eventually
we ended up going to court. People don't realize it
was it was three cases. It was it was the
Supreme Court case. It was the Nazis they want to
be case where the record was actually deemed I've seen
that was the Navarro Ship, you know, the federal judge

(16:16):
said this record is o've scene.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Then we ended up going doing a show.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I'm like, fuck y'all, We're gonna go right down the
street from the courthouse to do a show.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
And seeing the whole fucking album. So they.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Jail, you know what, I'm just fucking fucked up, you know,
like I was gonna.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Be dead in jail.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Them doing that and not being public. Grow your fan
base and the love the motherfuckers have for you.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
That's what my lawyer said. He's like, don't worry about
this brand. He said, yr fucking brand going crazy out
of this world.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
I'm on the West Coast and young at that time,
and we only hear West Coast music. But when you
guys ship started happening, all the trouble it's on TV.
Now now we're starting to hear it on the West
Coast radio station. Yeh, your brand.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
See, but the crazy you know, the crazy part about it.
The two Live Crew came from the West Coast most
people don't know. Mixed came from Sam Bernardino. They all
were connected because they were in the military. Chris was
from New York, brother Mark. It was another guy in
the group named ury v Lot.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
He was from l A. Uh. He was an original member,
but he was more conscious. He ain't want to do.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
This fuck shopping type music, so he kind of jumped out, uh,
and then we didn found Marquise brought him into the group.
But it was an LA based group. All of them
was on my Cola Records with with with Easy and
all the rest of them with you name it. All
them dudes was on my Cola Records at that time,

(17:48):
which is a distribution company.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
He had everybody from the West Coast and so I
basically found them from there as a DJ putting out,
you know, going to the party and heard this one
song and start bringing them down do shows.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
And that's how we kind of linked up raunchy female music.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Seeing people like Sexy Red cardib Glowrilla uh and these
Labis flip the table and talk like you what's your
take on that?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Man? I love it?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, but it's crazy because my most my biggest critics
were women back then when I was going through all
the shit, Oh you fucking the great crading women, massage, distic,
motherfucking and all that. So right now I'm like, yeah,
how the table's turned now, the fucking girls winning. Hey,
they celebrating it and all that. I mean, Sexy Red,

(18:38):
you know, I love sexu Red. I love all of
them are doing, you know what I'm saying, because they
being themself and they represent a certain uh, a certain
group of people. You know.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Sexy Red represent a.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Group of women the hood, the hood who have never
had a represented you know, the girls who feel comfortable
with the purple and green would do fucked up booty shots,
and not too many of them look cute, you know
what I'm saying. You know, you have to be a
dying piece, a tea in or something like that. So
she represents the whole fucking generation of people, you know.

(19:12):
And and like I say, I love everything that them
girls doing.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
You know, I appreciate the fact that I was able
to fight for.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Them to have the right to be able to say
what they're saying and to see them shaking the ass.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean, the little girl from New York, what her
name is, Spice, Spice to turn around, shake her ass.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I'd be like, see, you got in front of your mama. Yeah,
you your mama grew up on Loop and she knew me.
Yeah she knew h Yeah exactly. So, I mean, I
love the fact that they're able to do their ship
because then you know, again, if if if I don't
win that, if I don't go back and get the

(19:51):
federal case, which was when the nasty was deemed i've
seen overturned, which I eventually ended up doing. If I
don't get that over to niggad use that case against
all these girls everybody, because it'll be case law, you know,
case law.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
This type of ship. Yeah, nineteen the scene saying this
on the record and all this and did this. It
don't beat community standards. They wouldn't be able to say.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
What it's a rapper out of the West Coast name Simber.
You're familiar with him Simber?

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Then no, no, okay, he's a he's a one of
the youngest, one of the high young rappers that's just
coming up now.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Yeah, it's our homeboy. But he said the South has
the better rappers. And the better songwriters, and the East
Coast and West Coast got better rappers. I agree with
him on the southern part, but I think we got
some of the better rappers in the South too. But
I agree because I really think that the soul in
the music, the the the ideas to come, all that

(20:50):
comes from the South. You know what I'm saying, Just
even the music, all that comes from the southele you
agree with what he's saying. I agree for the same
point of right now. You know, when I came in
the game, it was it was New York. You know,
they had the lyricism.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
I mean, you name it, you know, yeah, that ship
was motherfucker you connect you feel me?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
That was like, you know, you can't with that, no, no, no, no,
you just you just wanted to be in the room
with that ship, you know what I'm saying. So at
that time, but then even at that time, now people
like again part of the fight was I remember going
to New Music Seminar, which was the biggest music convention
in New York at the Marquis Hotel, ten thousand people in.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
The room, and like, this ship is a fad. The
South will never be great in hip hop this early nineties,
early nineties, I hop up in the room.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know, I'm a nigga about it. Anyway, Man, fuck
that ship. The South will ruleless motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
You know what I'm saying. We were running this motherfucker
because we're not We're not a city our big time.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, we're election Charlotte, We're collection Atlanta, Where.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Georgia, where you know where Memphis? Where where we're you know,
we're global entity of the South. And if we ever
catch on, it'll be it'll be hard press. So you know,
I agree with him for right now now because the
South is it's really ruling uh right now.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
But a lot of other places.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I mean, you see what Kendrick is doing Detroit and
hey that you know, Hey, it's it's something different, you know,
it's it's something different. It ain't just totally controlled by
one area, which is what I've always been about. You know,
I always been about, Hey, man, this ship ain't just

(22:51):
because it's not gonna land, it's gonna be like disco
if it's if it's if it's only hip hop in
New York, the ship can be and it's gonna.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Play out, you know, and out.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
And I just I'm just happy that I played my
part into diversifying it, you know, along with what they
were doing in LA in California and then what they
were doing in Philly and so down for the shit
to be able to spread to bring that, you know,
which is a beautiful bag.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Everybody got their own sound, That's what I love. West
Coast got his own side.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Yeah, we got our own sound, East Coast, everybody got
you know, even the Midwest coming over their own sound.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
You was obviously a pioneer for the South. And we're
going to get into that.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
But did you lean on anybody when you was going
through all your shit or you just found a way
to get through it by yourself?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Man, I was using common sense, you know, and what
I learned because I was a DJ, so back then
I was a part of a record pool, and I
understood that there's record pools all across the country. Then
I did a little interned at the radio station because
again now the dark side of me, I was a
street motherfucker. Yeah you feel me in and I was like, okay,

(24:01):
I gotta get my life together. And so I got
into this music shit, and so I interned at the
station learn how records are promoted, how the record man
come in and do things in the station to get
the records played, which is what Homeboy should have said
the other day, because some things you don't talk about,
you feel me. And so I'm looking at all these

(24:23):
and so I'm learning, but not knowing that I'm learning
at the same time not saying that my goal is
to own the record company. I just wanted to be
the biggest record promoter promoter, you know. I wanted to
be fucking al Hayman. And then I ended up falling
into this music shit. You know, when somebody, you know again,
somebody tell me, oh, you can't do something, I'm like, nah, hell.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
No, I'll show you a better than I can tell you.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
So, you know, I ended up falling into the music
business and and and then eventually loving it being upon
there and someone who basically started the golf. Other than
this ship, I'm gonna give you some names, some Southern
groups that definitely pay harmage to you, but I want
to I want to get your opinion on them.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Our casts, Oh yeah, our cares. I mean, they took
this ship to a whole other level. Great.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Great, I mean I mean probably one of the greatest
Southern there groups in the Southern groups ever yeah, ever,
ever serious, something fucking serious.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, ghetto boys, ghettle My god, im about to say
that that's your era.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
I'm still trying to find them, you know. I just
we faced the other day. I'm still trying to I
did a like this sit out interview with the whole
fucking groups, still with Bushwick was still alive. I mean,
like again, my ass is thinking, like I'm always thinking
ten years.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Way back in the nineties. This ship really two thousands,
it was early two thousand.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I mean, I gotta find that ship where I had
all them We're always sitting in the room, were just
chopping us.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
You know which. Yeah, I gotta find that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
They pay good money for ship like that.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Ghetto Boys were so inspirational for the entire South.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I mean when I discovered Trick Daddy, right, Trick Dad
was signing just like Scarface, and I had to tell him,
you can't sound like Scarf.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I mayn't mind you. I just got I just got
this motherfucker out of jail already crazy as fun.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Right, so it's delivering. His cadence was like wow, you know,
because they got the same voice, but he delivered the
lyrics the same way.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Star Face.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
I'm like, bro, you can't do that ship, you know, man,
man man, come on man. Let So I ended up
taking to Chicago. We did a show. Hey, I got
this new motherfucker up here. Uh, you're gonna sing a
song right here.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Pooto went back. I said, now you now you believe me?
You know, call young motherfuckers. They always told him, Oh
that's how y'all did it. It's the young ship and
all that and all motherfucker business. Don't change. And then
we changed is the way he delivered away from what

(27:16):
Scott Fish was doing.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
But shout I trick Daddy got a dope restaurant.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Eye to the food is crazy, Yeah yeah, food traina.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Trina, my little that's my little sister. We used to
be on fifteenth, fifteenth Avenue spot here, hardcore hood area. Stepdaddy, stepdaddy,
her stepbrother was in my DJ group. No, you know,
we was street niggas. And Trina was a little girl.

(27:47):
You know, she sed, hanging at the store and all that,
and so she always was like always around, the little
girl and the mama Vanessa.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
God bless her soul. Fine ass mama, gorgeous, beautiful, red motherfucker,
which mister wonderful older dude. That was this girl.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So you know, Trina was a mom and everything like that.
But that's like, that's like my little sister, you know,
the sister I never had you feel me. And I remember,
it's your birthday song. If you listen to the song
real close, you're here, Trina is your birthday. That was
the first time she went in the studio, you know,
so we brought her and her little homegirls in there.

(28:28):
Y'all come on in the studio and sing on the
background on the song and everything like that.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
She got the bug.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
And you know, I just love what she's been doing
and her career that she's had in the business and
how she represented the crib.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
That's my own girl. Rick Ross Ross Rose another little
short story. Rose.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I mean, I love that dude. That's my dude. I
understand the struggle. He came from where I first met
him again. He from Carol City on Liberty City. That's
like Glynn Bronx and all that ship like that. Ross
was outside of the charl City Flee market giving out
his records and then.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
He gave me a uh uh CD went on, checked
it out, listened to this ship like this. It got
something right. Then I did a record. Uh I did
a record with him and this other guy named dirt
bag you know Ross, like he.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Was all excited that I'm doing the records. Now he
again he hustling and ship. So you gotta understand where
it came from. So to hear what he's doing right
now and see where he's at. You know that mother
really was on his frind. You know it ain't no,
it ain't had no sivil spoons. Ain't nobody give him
no okay a Ross, No, Ross really put it, put
his work in. Yeah yeah, uh u GK what Arthur?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Oh ship man Classic classic classic some ship you just
you just you can only it's only one word classic. Yeah, yeah,
that's my guy.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Obviously we touched on Miami football. But where did that
connection and love come from? Because you were bridged for
a university to a community of young men that kind
of changed the way college football was played and looked
at at that time.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Well, the thing is, I mean I always was a
Hurricane football fan, from being a kid playing Pop Warner,
my brother taking me to the stadium, washing us get
the shit beat out of us with another thousand people
in the Orange Bold nobody went at the game. So
I saw the dragon of the program. And then and then,

(30:41):
you know when again when this music thing, I wanted
to do something different. You know, I looked at well,
how Stellenberger did howl. Stellinberger went to Tyler Hanson got
beat by fam. You so, HBCU beat Pothfie School at
that time, won Powfine School, all those black kids, and
in the area where the University of Miami is located,

(31:04):
it wasn't really no such thing as black people being
able to go in the area.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
So then house Teleburgher made the decision. Fucked that.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
I just got beat by a whole bunch of guys
from Tallahansee, which is seven hours away, that's from Miami,
because that was the only opportunity for them to go
to school, either there or coopmen. Then the dudes started
getting on the campus, you start bringing them, they start
doing wild shit on the news, Niggas going up in
motherfuckers the dooms, taking TVs and robbing the motherfucker white

(31:35):
kids and all that.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
So then I'm like, I'm Luke, I got.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Clubs strawberries, like you say, all kinds of shit team discos,
what these dudes hung out there. So I didn't say, look,
let me take it upon myself the hoigher at these motherfuckers.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Let them know the opportunity that they got, you know,
don't fuck the opportunity to start off as more of
a mentorship.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
It started off as a mentorship, but then at the
same time, dudes got kids, These motherfuckers.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Playing down there, riding with them old pretty ass houses.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
And shit, and they plan not knowing they can't eat,
they can't send the money back home. So then now
that's where all the word come in. Old Luke was
paying motherfuckers, which the statute of limitations. But then it
became okay, how do I get you to perform at
a certain level where you're gonna perform how your expectations.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
They end up getting you drafted.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
But then you can get a couple of dollars right now,
you know, to take care of some of your your bills,
come by the club, whatever it is you feel me.
And so it was more of hey, look let me
mentor these guys point them in the right direction, tell
them to seize the opportunity that they have get an
education or or make it to the vise them exactly.

(32:50):
So then now I'm like, yo, this shit, we got
to take it to another level. Then I put the
whole jacket on that album cover. So now bad Boy
Motherfucker's a hip hop. Every Thursday, we got a meeting
at my condo. Hey, man, take your fucking helmet off,

(33:10):
going the stand, telling the fuck y'all dance over nigga
man talk ship because they don't like us. So I'm
telling them how to be really bad guy, how to
how to be bad guys because we're not accepted it,
you know. So we started beating people Brent Mothsburg to
get on the thing the commentator. These fucking guys are horrible.
They can't never beat nobody. Cause we won, we wanted.

(33:32):
We wasn't knowing to day we won Nebraska in Oklahoma,
you know, the chosen motherfuckers. So you know, they just
took on us against the world mentalogy and so that
that's how all that ship ended up going in the bandannas,
you know, because I had a bandanna on stage, you know,
my fucking outlaw. So they became outlaws. You know, everything

(33:54):
that they they lived, you know, they lived, they lived
what we were living through football.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I couldn't imagine being you know, because I was in
LA and I got a chance to kick it with
Snoop a little bit during that time in the late nineties.
But you was really instrumental day, like one of the
biggest stars in the world, Like fucking with these kind
of it probably had to just be unbelievable because obviously
you gave him access to your lifestyle, yeah, and the
things you worked really hard for. And as an eighteen

(34:22):
nineteen year old kid coming from nothing after that, shit
was just a dream come true.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah yeah, I mean shit, they would be at the house,
you name it.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
But but it was it was really having them understand
that marketability, the opportunity, you know, the opportunity you got.
And then at the same time, now they make a
headway he could take them and all running through the ship.
Now they took it to a whole nother fucking level,
you know, on the field, and it was like, I mean,
coaches can control it.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
But then they were whooping asses.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I mean, like you say, Jerome Brown warn Sap saping Sap.
I used to that mother was so crazy. He had
to go with me on the weekend when I did show,
was the coach like, hey, go ahead, so it won't Yeah,
it's just long short to practice on Monday.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
So, I mean, you know Jerome Brown saying thing.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I mean that he was the actual cornerstone up it all.
I mean they you know, that's why all I went
at ninety nine. You gotta be a bad motherfucker. And
then when he passed, you know, yeah, that was that
was the dude.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
That was that dude. Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
What memories do you have of the Heat becoming expansion
team in the late eighties. That was right around to
Live Cruise Peak.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Oh yeah, you see me with me and Park with
the jersey I got money jersey. Oh we want ship.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
We were playing in fucking uh America at lasts Arenda
with the rats running around that motherfucker. He but no,
I mean when I always because I always was a
lake A fan. You feel me, I'm I'm straight Laker,
you know, before we got a team, and then at
the end of the day, you know, I'm like the Heat.
So I mean that whole thing was amazing because they

(36:04):
had motherfuckers out that that really was wasn't good football
basketball players they were here, and then they got caught
up in this ship and they were partying, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
So then it kind of changed.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
When Cyclic came along. Sherman Douglas came along, a big plane. Now,
god damn military plane. You know, it's so many stories.
I remember when Sherman Dougglas got beat up. Hey, hey,

(36:36):
he got in a fight with another motherfucker. The motherfucker
went to the lights, so both of them got kicked out.
Sherman Douglas came out to be butt naked, you know,
in the middle of the court. You know, he's the
man beating what he had all the sob bro, I
seen so much ship, you know, and because you know

(36:57):
all the heat players that were my dudes, you know,
you know, and then we got to the point like
even when Keith asking Bimbo Cots and all them played.
So every time you got drafted by the here, you
had to come to my club, and then you had
to drink more shots than the last motherfucker who got drafted. Yeah,
so I had a whole initiation, motherfucker said. But no,

(37:18):
it was crazy. I mean when Psychlly was there, it
kind of started changing me. And Steve Smith.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
That was my god, that's my nigga there.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
So me and Steve Smith became like real, real close
friends and all that, and I just I was always
there with them dudes, even when when d Wade came
down here when he got drafted, I mean d Wade
and his white T shirt on the handbacas and Ship
he got d Wade. Then they were laughing about that

(37:47):
the other day. You're not the d Wade, you know
that I had to take around.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
I'm taking this motherfucker to the club. Groom. Don't fuck
with the holes over here now, but do this over there,
don't do this here this way. You move, man, you
know what I'm like. You knows that.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, so Ship, that's why I love to see where. Yeah,
but that whole expansion and when they came, you know,
and how they moved and start winning. You know, it's
like being at the beginning. I had like I was
number three hundred and forty nine, first person to buy
a season ticket, you know, I still got the ticket

(38:23):
in and what you call it, Yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Was it was Ron Rothstein and shipped the coach. You
had any run ins with the Godfather bat No, not really,
not really y'u.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, yeah, we would getting started running, motherfucker. They Hey,
they used to call it the Run Nigga Run program.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Man.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
I tried out.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I looked I came for you know how that had
the camp before the actual training camp, the camp. Man,
I didn't make it through that ship. I'm going up like, yeah,
Miami d detained me. I need to be one party.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Keith told me one time, he said, man, we had
to go down south to get certain type of shoes.
If they had to get shoes made running shoes because
they used to run them. Tell you some stories about
real quick bad jack.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Let me to cut you off, PSI.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Each other. Yeah that's my dude. Yeah, Park. When Park
used to ride around with Digital Underground.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
You know, I always you know, I always vibe with
the actual celebrity, but I always vibe more with the
guys who hung around because I kind of knew that
you know where you're trying to go. You know, you
don't show them love because everybody the celebrity mother, but
what you're trying to do young fellas.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
So then me and him we just like everywhere we
would go. If we saw each other on tour, then we.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Will find our way some kind of way, in some
kind of conversational session because we had so much in
common when it comes to that black panther thing and
all that in the movement. So we would end up
having those deep conversations. And then when he started blowing up,
you know, uh, you know, I saw the two different parts,

(40:07):
you know, and I always could have a conversation with him.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
So he started blowing up, cut you off.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
But you was one person that could really sit down
and talk to me, and he understood.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, because it was you know again, it's like
mentoring dudes, you know, because you know, sometimes we get
big and then we get big, lose you lose sight.
So it'd be like, hey, sow the fuck down, you
know what I'm saying. So we would have those kind
of conversations.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Uh. You know, channel is ship in the right way,
you know, because he you know, when people seeing him,
he always in life for the party. He always gonna
talk shit. He got that Napoleon complex, you know, that motherfucker.
He gonna he's gonna be fun. But you know, I
love that motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Even with that whole beef thing was going on, I
was trying to squash that ship.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I said, you were instrumental trying to break that up.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know just what happened with that?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I mean, I mean you have to give but I
mean I'm a huge fan. We come from that era,
so to know that you were the one that was
really trying to like stop this, How did that go?

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Who would you talk to? How to go? Well? I
talked to both of them, you know, because we don't
do no Pok slammed on this show. No you can't
do that, nigga there. Yeah, No, I talked to both
of them. I mean both of them. You know, they
they were It's different. They were friends, you know, they
love each other. You know.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
It was like a two friends break up, you know,
and like, Nigga, you know you love that motherfucker that
you know, you love him, you feel me in and so.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
That's what it was.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
But then what I always told him and anybody will
get into that ship, like even when I had, you know,
with that this other ship that went on lately, you know,
I'm like, it's not gonna be the motherfuckers now the media, Yeah, yeah,
the fans are gonna get involved thinking.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
That they're doing something on behalf of you, you know,
so you got to kind of let that ship.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
You gotta let that ship chill, because you know, you
hate motherfuckers out there. They want to do something anyway
you feel me. Yeah, they wait, they want to be involved,
show that they're involved.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Yeah, show crash dummies around that time. You can tell
me if you know or not. Was Madonna frequently around
doing her thing with the players? Yeah, she was down here.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah that's that's that's what I wanted to hear because
I heard she was down and get droned.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Yeah, they ran through. Yeah, she had to leave.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I heard you down and a lot of people think
this ship country when they come down here.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Oh ship, don't get a country, motherfucker. I'm gonna just run.
And then you get ran through. Mm hm. You know.
So one of my basketball friends, I left him in
the house. He say smash. Yeah all right, my man,
my man. I took all the basketball players. Yeah. I

(43:01):
made sure there was straight, you know, make sure Willie
Burton went straight. But he he gotta gotta live out
of control. Yeah, he met. I would have lost it
to look WILLI lost.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I said, Willie go down there and knock her down.
But don't go nowhere with him, No, because she became
a dancer.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
One girl. So I gotta I had to get other friend,
Dan cold careful. I had to take our other friend
and being careful off of Cliff West.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
West, she's not for you, She for the team, for
the streets, and y'all continue this.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I knew that. I knew that stands. He got to
place up real quick.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Go ahead, y'all keep talking.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Though I knew what was going on.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I said, West, you can't keep on our good friend worldwide. West,
you can't keep She's not for you, She's not right
brought it. She ended up signed up on the team
and on the boat big sitting there making the song
deep throat on loop boat when it's moon rises, I'm
coming in the eyes and you go downstairs.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Then you fucking lose your mind, taking the Philly.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Funk, your whole career up. Push it undefeated. I gotta
agree to that to some people who can't. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,
but it it knocked all.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
I'm telling you the nice version of these stories. Yeah,
I know, I know, I know, I know. Pus in
the knocked us all of us out the one time,
put us all asleep. Yeah, costs all a lot of.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
A lot of um back then, and we get older,
we get it was around like skills back then. I
just I just just the alpha cover, the the what
was the light skinned doing in the group name brother?
Like an Asian that was fresh kid Ice, Fresh care Ice.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
He has some chick that he's standing next to on
an album cover, And as a youngster, when you're looking
at that, you're.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Like, God, damn, like, what are we doing? I need
to be like that? Where is she at? Where Ship at?
Bron Yeah? No, the girls were? The girls were? Did
you do Freaknik? Yeah, I'm one of the architects. I
already know. I already know. I actually was the one

(45:32):
who produced the TV show. I knew that. I knew that.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
You know, Free Nick was a nice little innocent party.
And then you know, I'm thinking, that's why I need
to be. Somebody booked me and Ship. If it's anything
dealing with freaks, I gotta be there.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Yeah, you know. Now I gotta go and show y'all
how to freaking really supposed to be? Should I get that?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
The motherfuckers in the park have a nice little picnic.
I'm like, fuck this, y'all.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Call the thing freak Nick, We're gonna get the freaking
going on. Yeah, and then it went to a whole
other level.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Year after year after year, people started really freaking Cappa
Beach Party.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
You've been there? Oh hell yeah, I got all the footage. Hey,
I heard.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Nah, So I was a youngster, So you know that's
right up the street from us.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
I've been Texas. Yeah, you you gathered. I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
I couldn't as a youngster, you know, Oh you win there.
I couldn't get that. I was still I got the footage. Man,
I heard that motherfucking used to be out off the chain.
Oh yeah, and it was on the beach. I went there,
turned that mother forger out. Oh yeah, I heard about that.
You had Cappa Beach Party in Galveston, then you had
Murder Beach, Then you had Daytona Beach.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Oh no, Daytona Beach was a Black college spring break.
Oh wow, Oh that shit was something serious Black college
spring break. And then you had Atlanta and the freaking
So I turned out all them places. When I started
thinking about doing my movies, I can't put all the
ship in one movie.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
So you're gonna lose a lot.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
You feel me and so Freaknik was a major part
of my career and I was like, let me carved
that out and do this. And so eventually we put
it together, got them to shoot it, uh, teams up,
teamed up with that with nas them Company, and it
came out real good. Most people thought they were gonna

(47:26):
see their man mama on there around I teased the
ship out of it, like yeah, I'm gonna show your
mama on this motherfucker, and all the mamas talking about
oh we judges and ship were lawyers, people life, just
like everybody was on nervous.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Meanwhile, I do have the.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Footage of their mama, you know, and ship everything and
a lot of other people feel shit. So we we
made it where people really understood, you know, the culture,
like history, how Atlanta Tho became this entertainment capital of
the world through Freaknick, the trials and tribulations, how they

(48:06):
shut down events like Capital a week in all type
of stuffy. It all was insane. Bro Capita Beach Party
used to be so fired up. It used to be
a traffic from Houston all the way to Galveston, and
they righted up. But it's a line. The traffic is
from the beach all the way to the It was crazy, bro.

(48:29):
If you got to get police escored to get in there.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Yeah that she used to be crazy. I never got
to change experience about my big home. Oh well, I'll
just show you some of the village. Yeah, I need
to see that. Can you tell me about the most
legendary boat party?

Speaker 1 (48:43):
You said you had a lot of them. What's the
one on the mind. If you can tell me, he
could tell us.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
I had one party actually smooth basketball shit, now tumble.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
We were on the boat and Maria yeah, yeah, And
I had this boat party he spent was on the
in that river on Maryland, DC, and the fucking man,
it was like one the boat never.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Left, Doc. This is how bad this ship was. Brought
out the strippers on the boat.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
They got naked. They swinging on the poles. They didn't
turn the ship to hold up the boat into poles.
One of us are naked. Everybody losing their mind. You know,
people started getting naked. So that was one crazy. Another
one was me and Big and you know that's I
ended up buying a boat and we would go in there,

(49:42):
call it sacrifice weekend and all kinds of shit. Everybody
would be naked, jumping in the lake, jumping in the ocean,
naked with the life wrath on.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
I mean it was crazy, you know. So you had
that that used to happen like at least once a month.
What other boot party?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
What was your what was your secret sauce to just
keeping it fun and and and just the thing to be.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
And obviously on the flip side, we've seen all the
ship going on with with Puff in his situations like
what was you had the secret sauce because it was
fun in the state that way.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Well, the thing is most most people wouldn't know what
you're getting, like me, and you have to Larry Flint.
If you go there, you have to imagine which everybody
you know was happy to go. They understood what it
was all about. That's what was in his magazine. You
know what I'm saying, And that's what I'm rapping about.
So if you hanging out with us and you come

(50:41):
to a party, you know the ship. But then we
never we never went too crazy.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
We did we had fun, but you know, we we
partied with a purpose.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Everybody was down with it. You know, everybody enjoyed itself.
It wasn't no, no violation or nothing.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
They weren't no. It wasn't no to make sure you
be with it by the end of the night. Now
with none of that exactly. So so again it was
we just we had fun and ship turned into one
thing and turned into one thing, you know, but it
was it was no different than the frat party, you know,
our bachelor party. You know.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
That's why you know I can't I'm saying that. You know,
they didn't never come and consult with me, because you know,
when you try to do certain things like if I
want to be a basketball player, I'm on consult with
a basketball players.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
This is what I really want to fuck with. And
then you're gonna tell me some hard stories. Yeah, and
I might want not want to do that, but I
know how to do it the right way. If I
did current hip hop topics.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
You said in twenty twenty four, I'm gonna expose some
of these gatekeeper motherfuckers house.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Old were which want what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
The thing is, let me tell you this, ire and
our business is real politics. There's a bunch of politics
in our business. And you look at it right now.
You look at it right now, You got the Kanye
Weston's in the world exposed people. You got Puff going

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through his ship, all that politics. You know, it's all political.
It's all who you fucked with. And when they push
you out the crowd and they push you out the
crowd and the conversation, you got to know how to
handle it, you know. And I think them dudes, I

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was like, Okay, them dudes doing more exposing of people
than anybody.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
You see record executives quitting and ship you see you know,
major corporations losing money.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
What's your take on Lil Wayne and getting the super
Bowl snub with the super Bowl being in New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
That's kind of hard. They deserve it. He deserve it.
But Kendrick do too. Lil Wayne is over there with Drake.
It's not going on. There's a lot of things going
on with that.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
And now you go, I mean, you know, it's I
feel bad for Lil Wayne because I understand he caught
up in it.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because they did the same thing down here.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
And I have to have a conversation with jay Z
when they had the Jennifer Lopez and a Million Girl
and the commercials, like yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Twoper Boy in Miami the Latin flavor, Like y'all say,
fuck the niggas.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Yeah, like, no, we we have we have you know,
we got wrongs, we got trick, we got even pitt,
we got we got.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Hip hop in this mother. So y'all just totally the
reason behind that.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I mean what he said was, oh, well, you know,
the Latino community in the black community together.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
I'm like, hey, Jay, this mean you talking this me?
Who you talking to?

Speaker 3 (54:00):
You know, I would talk to you just as I
got talked to Park when you was hanging around with Biggie.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Goddamnit.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
D Okay, Now we ain't talking about no politics shit,
you feel me. So then they promised to do some things.
You know, he kind of understood U where I was
coming from. I say, you can't fucking disrespect the culture.
You can have these girls, Yes, we all Latino community,
but we're also Latino and hip hop.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
It's a way you could do it to show respect
to everybody. You know. And they had the same issue
in Atlanta at one time. So then they you can't
snub the local artists.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
You know, you got to be able to bring them
two together. Even you know hein Kendrick. If you didn't
do Lil Wayne. You know, Kendrick ain't got no problem
with master p. You know what I'm saying. You know,
there's a whole shitload of artists from Louisiana that you
could have fucked with, you know, to see that tank
go up there to.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
But you know why why have faith this Because Kendrick
always shows love to everybody.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
He does.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
He shows love to everybody. So I feel like they
gonna cook something up that's gonna satisfy people.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I just hate that it happened
that way.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
It happened that way, and I'm looking at the way
and having meltdowns and ship you know.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
That was you know, that's he's a rock star, you know.
To me, I looked at the bout me. I'm West Coast,
you know what I mean. So I'm sure Kim's gonna
put on a great show. But I'm also a huge
Wayne fan. And to me, I thought, it's his body
at work, what he's meant to the city, how he
you know, carried him. Since the team, you know, helped
carry him as a teenager, it could have been a
perfect way to ride off in the sunset.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Yeah, in his legendary status. And I'm still hoping that
some way, you know, it's a moment it will mean
it will be.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah, I'm hoping that that, you know, because you're like, say,
can that's a good dude. You know, I know him
from meeting him a couple of times. I mean just
genuinely good people's you know.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
And yeah, I mean at some point into like like
Drake and like it's some of his people, it's my family.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
I don't know. I don't know Kendrick at all, but.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
The album and the songs he making an unreal So
it's it's just undeniavel.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
You can't deny time this music. Bro, you can't. You can't,
So you know what I'm saying. So I know you
gotta have it, but you gotta.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
But people gotta find a way to just enjoy both
of them and not try to be feel like, oh,
if I say something bad about Drake, then Kendrick gonna
call me and tell me thank you. That's not gonna happen, bro,
Kendrick don't even know. You know, we just enjoyed ship.
Just enjoy If you like someone, you have to dislike
somebody else, and that shouldn't be the case.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
That shouldn't be both their music.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
But and it wasn't the case when Drake was bodying
and everybody right, you still fuck with me and everybody
still you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
So if you bodying, people expect now if you get bodied, then.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Goddamn it, okay you it shouldn't be Okay you fuck
with him, I ain't fucking with you, and hell yeah
take the heir and it.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Should it should go back like back in the day.
You beat me up, I call the police. I'm a
fucking nigga that you banned from the hood.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
He's have to fight to get mine.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
But that's similar the words said what Drake doing.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Though you're suing after you've lost a rap battle.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Now, you don't supposed to do that.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
That's that's you that there are some things in the
music business that you don't talk about.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
That's been in the music business forever.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
And the two things that he's suing about, it's things
that back in the days would have got you killed.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Yeah, real talking, Yeah, I mean mom, not no other rapper.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
You feel me, because when you talk about Payola, you
know who ran that. You know you don't talk about that. Yeah,
you know do a lot of things exist then it exists.
Now when you talk about buying streams, back then, they
would say that you're scanning.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
A record, like we go and get this and and
and so I give the record store.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
A thousand copies for free, and you scan this motherfucker
not my shit, the number one record, you know, So
that ain't no different than buying streams, which some people
do that, but not that motherfucker song. Right, that's it
didn't have to that song. Now, you ain't got to
buno stream stream for that shit. That shit is is

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the ship. You know, that's a national anthem. So that
then go and say all that to try to discredit
the man work.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
That's not good.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
And I hope he you know, that's some lawyers affing
you up with some bullshit to try to get them
a bag.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
You need to kind of lead that shit alone. That's
my question.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I mean, are you is he opening up Pandora's box?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You know we saw you know, someone told me last
year that you know, watch out for Diddy because he's
they say he was biting a hand to fed him
with the alcohol.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
And then once that kind of stuff everything starts opening up.
Is Drake marking up a tree that's gonna open up
some ship that can really have him as some.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Long term yeah problem.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah, yeah, because a lot of powerful people.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Because when you when you talk about Payolerttle, you'll talk
about every radio station in the country program director. You're
saying he's getting paid to play a record that you
don't talk about. You're fucking with somebody livelihood. They will
shut you down, they won't play your shit.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
You feel me when you.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Talk about streams, Yeah, you can get away with that
because it ain't like you're dealing with a record store
like back in the days.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
You know, those are things that you don't really discuss.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
You know, you'll you'll get black ball real quick, real fast,
and you'll be just subjected to.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Whatever you do on the underground. You know.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
So that watch, you know the guy's real talent it
and I just hope he's just back off of that
shit there.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Leave that part of Yeah, you know, go do your
motherfucking this record. You don't go in the studio, yo,
I mean keep swinging, keep swinging. I mean shit, Snoop
Dogg did this record. He did this record on me.
I did it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
This record of Snoop Dogg. He sh was more popular.
Snoop became an iconic figure off his record with me.
We ended up becoming fucking friends.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
You know what I'm saying. We like best of friends
right now. You share a lot of things in time
that we do. Y'all made it, you know, and so,
but you don't get you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Don't get that much of your feelings where you're trying
to sue a motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
You said a lot of people that understand the business
said you've been the most underrated executive and a court
from me. I put myself on the level of Jimmy,
I Bean and them kind of guys, but obviously didn't
get the recognition, the credit, everything that came with what
you did. Why was that coming from Miami?

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
One thing?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
When I did got to the point where I was
getting a recognition, I did a deal with Atlantic Records.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
When I went into the room, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Me, Craig Klemon, it was Jimmy. I mean, we were
the young guns. We were the new rookies coming in.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
This was ship ninety one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
So Craig, who runs Atlantic Record, he had he had
he was doing house music in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Jimmy was doing his music in La. So we were
the young I was doing my ship selling them. We're
all selling a bunch.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Of shit, but independently, and so they bring us in
there like YouTube, y'all three months gonna run the ship, right,
So me, obviously the black guy, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Do my deal with Atlantic. You had Sylvia Rohne, who
was running the whole mark in the promotion.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Department, lady you know black, you know, Nopie and lady,
and I always heard whispers that she had a problem
with what we were doing. Because a lot of the
industry had a problem with what we were doing. BT
wouldn't play more fucking videos. Certain radio stage wann't play
the records.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
So that's why we kind of got harder, you know,
because we lived off the underground video juke box was
the only motherfucker playing twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
You remember that ship was on twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Bro, you spent a lot of money. You saw them
finance motherfucking girls on South.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I think, I'm like ten, eleven, twelve, this is a lot.
I'm going I'm going through puberty watching your ship.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
I got your mind right, I got your juke box
cut it out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
So you had that going on so that's how we
would get our music promoted visually. Uh And you know,
like I said, you know she before I e been,
I mean the man gave me, I mean check, and
I said, before I take this and sign this contract
and go around the corner. Had this conversation with this
lady because I know she runs She's a very powerful

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black woman in the business, and she runs the marketing
department here Atlantic. Let me get a blessing. They thought
I was crazy, like, motherfucker, you gotta find me and
out of check right there, get this motherfucker money. So
I went around there and I was like, look, I
want to do this shit. Let's me and you gona
be able to work together. Obviously she said yeah because

(01:03:30):
she was working for these people. But it didn't end
that way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
It was more of crushing what we were doing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
So that relationship with that label at that time didn't
last that long and then I went back straight independent.
So that was the band in the USA album and
maybe one other album that I ran through there. So
that wasn't good, you know, And that's when I went
in found as Time and all them, because it was like, yeah,
you motherfuckers don't even know what y'all, y'all fucked up.

(01:04:02):
I'm gonna do R and B right now. I'm gonna
show you motherfuckers, y'all. You know, I'm gonna show you
how verse stile I could be. Yeah, and then I
did that ship and thenn't. Yeah, it was like okay,
well but.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
You're thinking about it too. Not to cut you off.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Chtown is underrated too when it comes to uh single roots.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Hell yeah, man, yeah, because they didn't have a big machine.
I wasn't the big machine you know I was doing.
Just had good music. I was had good music music here,
independent label music machine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
So they didn't get the yeah marcial success that man. Yeah,
Acetown was the ship.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Talk to us about it's not even on there, but
talk to us about was it an off like what
was off shores and and and where you set up
shop to make sure you were pretty much is not
being fun with on on on on the soils, Yeah,
off the grid, Yeah, I was definitely talk talk to us.
I created underground radio stations.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
I couldn't give a record player, and so I would
go to we would go to England and do shows.
We would do acid parties back then, not take acid,
but they called the massive parties. So how they would
communicate was through underground radio stations. So I learned that
over there, brought that shit here. Start doing music, Start

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creating these underground stations, playing online.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Records, do that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
So we had to do that that way, then create
a whole nother underground of going to college radio. Get
these college students a couple of dollars because they was
hurting a jacket. They became my record promoters. So I
kind of did it in a strategy way where I
knew that. It was like, yo, I'm straight underground. That's

(01:05:47):
the only way I could do this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Other ventures such as the porn industry.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
What was that like? That was my worst hit. That
was my worst investment. I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
I was in that ship for a short period of
time and I was like this, ain't you know, hey,
I'm gonna do the parties and all that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
I went in and the dude shot it. We shot
one movie. Now I wasn't in the movie, but I was.
I was paid for the production of it, and they
was in there. I was like, man, this ship did
wild fue crazy. I was like, this is a meat market.
And that was short lived for me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
That is probably one of the most you know again,
because I always thought, Okay, I'm gonna transition, be back,
you have to, but be better.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
So it's obvious the product people want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Some nah no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
I was like, no, this ain't for me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
I did a couple of strip clubs. I love strip. Yes,
you gotta love strip. Man Jersey they getting naked in Jersey. No,
my jersey's retired and hanging jersey. Oh you he made,
he made? What's your favorite strip? Wealthy? I would have

(01:07:06):
to say either.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Magic City in the early two thousands or.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Tusies. No, King of Diamonds.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
King of Diamonds was later on. Yeah, I say King
of Diamonds was later on, but I got some King
of Diamonds old, no, no, no, you you you new Tussies,
you new toutsies. I love the big Tussy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
That's how I actually got the idea of the visuals
the small Tossies because I was doing parties at at
the skate Rin across the street. Yeah, and the bounces
was white and they said I gotta take you over here.
I said, niggas don't go in strip clubs. That's some
motorcycle ship man back then one another us. I went

(01:07:54):
in there, I saw that ship I said, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I got another idea. Well I ain't, so then I'm
doing music.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Then that's when I put the girls in the videos
dancing like strippers. Yeah, so then you know I had,
you know, girls, some big answers obvious. But then I
would take the model chicks and shoot their face and
shoot the ugly girls. Ass I'm sorry, like the bartender,
I'll shoot her face and they ain't gonna get another

(01:08:24):
girl with the same complex. Yeah, yeah, come on, and
then get you motivated on twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Post up Boy started on himself twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
June twenty three on the juke Bostle.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
You too young?

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
My brother's like four years younger than me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Yeah, Matt was the only one knocking himself down.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Watch the twenty three my dad under the table one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
I snapped them on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
So come on, it was they look knocking themselves down with.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Give me right there, What the are you doing? I
seen them This motherfucker to be who I was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Hey, that's why that's when people were telling me you're
corrupting the minds of young people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
He was building them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
That's what I'm saying you was nourishing. I'm molding them
and giving confidence. Yeah, I'm like mother, let me show
you just what you need to do with your ship
the whole time. Yeah, ain't no billy ocean. It's a
golf of Mexico. I followed it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Uh, Mayor, I love that, the crossover you ran for, Mayor,
tell us what what what what drove you to do
that and what that process was like? Man, it was
a special election. I'm heavily in the politics, you know, always,
you know, like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Me and Q. We would always add these set downs
back in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
In the days, we could only tour with each other,
so the New York guys wouldn't tour with us. So
it always ended up n W a two live crew.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Remember your story. I'll kind of want to ask you something.
Go ahead, my bask go ahead, finish.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
So we know everything that was going on with us
was political. They were dealing with police trying to put
them in jail and shut the shit down. So we
would end up on these tours and we were sitting
up by the campfire chopping l We came over the
ideas like we got to be involved in politics.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
I use our platform to motivate people to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
So this is in the early nineties early nineties, and
so that's where that raptor vote came from.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Q created that. Then MTV kind of hijacked it. So
we were courses.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
We were like, we gotta get motherfuckers, because if it's
gonna be the chef, we gotta be. We gotta put
him in office. It can't be something motherfucker want to
fuck with us. You feel me, you're gonna be the
congress man. We gotta be involved, mayor, police chief, whatever
it may be. So that's how I kind of got
into it. So then fast forward until later on down

(01:11:21):
the line, I was like, you know, career kind of
died down a little in peace.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
I'm gonna let me go and fuck with this mayor.
It was a special election.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
The mayor had got kicked out because he had to
do something legal shit. So it's like, it's not one
of a long election.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
I'm gonna go in.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
My whole philosophy was I'm not gonna win, but I'm
gonna build a base, a constituent base, speaking on behalf
of the issues of us, our community, young people.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
You know, you know, cast bond, cash bail and shit
like that and all kinds. So I went in like that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
So the ship you see Trump doing on these on
on on these debates, I was doing that then because
I pre reigned. I'm in a debate all these motherfuckers
politicians just like that. He gonna fuck you, gonna fuck
You're gonna fucking with all the people sitting there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
You know what I'm saying. Like that, I'm keeping the
blood wroth, you know what I'm saying. So I already know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
My whole focus was getting this base of voters that
would move how I need them to move.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
So I started, Yeah, that's a big number. That's a
big number. Campaign.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
No, I had ten thousand dollars in the campaign. And
then I do these articles in the Miami New Times.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
So that was my media. That was my newsletter to
everybody in them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Those articles were always politically motivated, and so that was
my way of getting the message out to all the
people that was my constituent.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
So right now, if you want to be the man
of Miami, you got to get me to endorse you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Other than this won't happen that you want to be
the congressman, you know, you gotta get o to endorse you,
so you'll come to me, and then if I endorse you,
then it's blasted all over the place.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
I'll do a commercial. And so my base of people
that I gathered that has grown that listen, there's a
lot of people exactly different places.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
So then I get things. So by doing that, I'm
able to get things done in my community. You know,
I get Park Park rebuilt.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Well, there's a ton of money that we don't know
about until you're time behind the because it's supposed to
be allocated, but they never allocated.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
They never allocated you to be able to be behind
there and see that money and push it out exactly.
So all my like if you go to my facilities
and my youth program state of hardship because they know,
don't fuck with me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Hey, look, I need this here, you know, all the
different places in my community.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
And I need it from that budget right there, exact budget.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
For this exactly. You're gonna go find the money. They
got it, yeah, because you got the money, you know,
and that and that's what I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Love that, bro, Because I'm on the politics side, and
you know, obviously we saw you sat double Kamala, We
sat down on Kamala yeah, and our road to get
there was was a little different because Jack wasn't on it,
but I was. For the point of there's a lot
of people that think like you. You know, this is
the opportunity for you to ask or or or or
be around and hear, you know, answers to some of
your questions, because we all have similar questions. We all

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feel like we've been let down. But the only way
to get involved, like you said, to get involved is
be able to help and motivate and encourage people and
get people out there to vote exactly and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
That and that's the most important thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Like right now we getting ready to two years to
be a governor race and I'm really strongly thinking about
running for that. Most people be like, oh, that shit crazy,
but nah, it ain't because if you if you run,
there is the possibility of winning.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
But then the other thing is is the messaging you
can go, You go to every community. You ain't looking
running what is your issue?

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Now you didn't find out about people's issues, and you're
you're able to talk about those issues on on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
The stage and then now you have to address those things.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
But you're also really coming from where these people came from.
And a lot of people in politics came remote. Majority
of these white people came from a silver spool, So
how can they ever relate, you know what I mean?
And people say what the truck? You know when people
tell athletes and musicians to stay out of it, you're
rich down you don't understand, Like, well, we don't understand.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
How the fuck does Trump understand? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Like, so it's just like to me, like that's where
we came from. We're always going to speak for that.
We were just lucky enough to make it out. So
now we have to do something to help.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
So now you got to use your platform too. You
got If you don't use your platform, what are we doing?
Waste it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Give me, give me the cliff notes of a tour
of two Life Crew in n.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
W A oh shit, oh shit, wild and crazy. I
could we couldn't stay in the same hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
You couldn't say the same hotel.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
No, no, no, they had one movement going on in
their hotel. In our move we booked the whole floor
and after party was was the scene?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Y'all have a cross over the after parties then yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Yeah, where everybody ended up before the ship really pop up,
will end up having a conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Right after the show and then and then uh you're ready, No,
the parties crack. I mean it was it was crazy.
What was he like? Eve? Good people, real business minded person,
you know, street dude, but business minded. You know, I
can relate to people like him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
You know, we could sit down and have a conversation
because you know, whether you're on the West Coast out
of the East coast, you're you're you came from the
same life. Yeah, we were both hustlers. I mean we
came from that life where we had a lot of
people that followed us. You know that we looked out
for that. We had to you know, do street ship,

(01:17:01):
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
To survive.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Uh, And I mean we were all all boss so
to be able to transition into being record men. Uh
in this game, which the game is the same. I
tell people all the time, business has been the street
business is no different than this, this Hollywood business. There's

(01:17:23):
no different than NBA ownership business. It's all business, you know,
at the end of the fucking day, you know. And
so we understood that, you know, and it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Was the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
And they look there to try to steal our ship
because they're using the same game plan.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
Yeah, young what was the young dra like? Who? Oh
Drake Dre? Yeah, Dre was always reserved.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
I mostly vibe with with easy and uh and Q Yeah. Ren,
Me and Wren we did a bunch of shows after
they kind of broke up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Okay, oh yeah, Oh well, man, this ship has been crazy.
We could talk to you all day, but we know
you got to get out of here so quick, hitters.
First thing to come to mind, let us know childhood crush.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Childhood crush, oh man, ship, childhood crush. It was this
one girl.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Uh, I ride my bike right to go to Coconut Grove,
which was damned there forty.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Five minutes away. Long ass bike ride.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Her name was Bethel, I ain't gonna say that full name.
And me and I was dating.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
She ended up dating the football players. I ain't had
no fucking money. The goddamn dolphin motherfucker got the.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Man. Ain't too many Bethels.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Yeah fine in the month for light skinn bad motherfucker.
I just that was the love of my motherfucker. Football
player got him. Then I then I came up.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
When I came up, I saw the next time I
saw her over with she was in the car with
I guess she was in the car with.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
White Houston husband Bobby Brown, Bobby Brown with with a
bunch of Pampers in the back of the she.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
Had a baby, Bobby and damped. And then I wasn't
looking good at the time, and it looked like that
and it just came.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
From somewhere that was somewhere and I saw Hey, I said, hey,
now I got the big Bens and ship. I'm sitting
there like, hey, what's up? That's shoot. I think that's
why I got the ideal from the song I did

(01:20:08):
on Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
What the Girl? Uh? What the girl? The girl on Friday?

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
The one that was boring everything? Or the hood? Yeah,
the one the hood ran. Yeah that's what I got. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy?
Was that in l A. I'm saying, yeah, okay, because
when you send me the clip of that movie and
I want you to do a song and I'm like,
what the fuck is this? Ship?

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Should I actually, I don't know. It probably became an
l A saying after.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
That, yeah, And I just did this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
I said, I like this West Coast word went one
piece of advice. You will tell your younger self.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Don't trust you. I don't trustee.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Oh I want to handshake and everything, but I want
the feminist getting on us.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Don't don't shape.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Will you get your He had to do it? Hey, hey,
you when they tell you they take a break with Jos,
they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
If you got a bag, top, I'm gonna put you
on the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Top five Miami Hurricanes on and off the field all time,
Like do you enjoyed them?

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
On and off the field? Like they was good dudes too?

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Top five Jerome Brown talked me into buying that BMW
you saw on the album Come.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
And being him would ride up down the highway speeding
in that motherfucker. Next thing is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
When Sam Jencovic, who's after leg director, was gonna tell
them not to wear the bandemics in the game, and
the whole team came to my office to get bandmas
to go to the meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
So they all walked in the meeting like, bitch, you
goinna tell us not to wear this ship. You know,
I guess that's right up there. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
The next thing is making sure how I was a
mentor to Warren sapped them in the wrong way having
them with me, him and Mark Caesar. Then I guess,
uh the number one going in the locker room and uh,
going in the locker room and and saying, hey, look,

(01:22:24):
you gotta knock work done.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
The fuck out, and they couldn't. It was tough.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Oh, he had a big body on his head. You
know that Fitzgerald was easy. They had him crying and.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Ship mouthed or bleed. They couldn't were done.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
I don't know what the fuck he was on. They
were trying to hit him and knock him out. You
knock him out of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
It was a I couldn't do it. No, No, they
gotta get a good lick on him because his footwork
was unbelieva. Bro that something serious. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
And Charlie Ward really a good basketball. He played play
ten years the solid South. He was a Southway, so
he was solid.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
He probably was the first one to do like that basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
And definitely before we get you out of here, Uh,
thoughts of what d has been able to do over Colorado?

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Oh man, great, that's my brother. I mean Prime, me
and Prime go way back. Florida boy, Florida boy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
I mean to the point where his dad used to
be on tour with either me or Hammel because you know, Dad,
you know, we need to watch him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Yeah, so we go way fucking bad uh to see
what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
I mean, you know, I know the whole story of
him trying to get the job at and UH and
uh Florida Stadius album and I'm turning him down, going
to uh Ugansas trying to get the job.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Then every going there to help him get.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
The job, and the chicken man I ain't gonna call
no name, you know, got in between that and they
eventually you know, he didn't get that job, and then
say fuck it, I'm gonna go to Jackson State Historic
of Black College and for everybody like straight handing everybody and.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
People like y'all to go support him and support that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
It was great turn that program around, you know, brought
light to HBCUs. And then for him to then move
on to Colorado, taking in school that ain't won but
one fucking game, you know, turning that motherfucker around, and
now they don't won nine games this year.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Two revenue was up five hundred exactly. That's crazy, that's
my dog. And more so the guys on the staff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
He got high school guys from his hometown over there
that you don't see on the camera to bring Sapping in,
you know, and I know there was a little bit
of pushback, you know, to be able to get this brother,
which is a genuine brother, which is my my brother,
to bring him in, to be able to give him

(01:25:08):
an opportunity to revive his career, show him something and
get involved with and he's passionate about it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
I mean, it's it's a beautiful thing with his kids,
you know, doing what he's doing with the kids and
ship like that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Not in the Bowl. They're gonna play in the Bowl.
I mean, I hope they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Play too long, you know, but you know, Travis taking
the top player in off in in high school football.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
I mean, it's it's like a fucking movie. Beautiful. I mean,
it's a beautiful movie.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
I hope it don't go to the NFL, you know,
I hope you don't leave there because what he's built there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
You know, I know, it's it's long you can go
chase the bag.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
But I'm thinking he's getting a bigger bag and he
has more control media wise, like what you guys are.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Doing versus going in some goddamn institution.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Yeah, yeah, man, we appreciate your time obviously what you've
meant to a lot of people, but the industry as
a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Man, I'm glad that that you're starting to finally reap
the benefits of that, and you're still here to receive that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
If there's anyway we can help you with when you
shoot the movie, to any promotion or come interview everybody,
put it on our platform, or do that when you're
running for governor.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
I'm in the politics too, so let me know how
we can help.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
So listen, Ben, I appreciate y'all. I appreciate what y'all do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
I mean, I've been watching y'all show from the beginning,
you know what I'm saying, because again, y'all, y'all real niggas,
you feel me, and so we gravitate to that, you know,
I mean, it's a whole bunch of bullshit on TV
and on YouTube. You know, I just can't that can't entertain.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
I love that you're talking more too, not to cut
you off, because like we need to hear o G voices,
you know what I mean, because they try to push
the ogs to the side and everything now, But the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
That I'm being more vocal I love that shit and
me being the Southern guy, you know, just a honor
to have you on the show, but to get to
know you more. I looked up to you and know
so much about it. It's just honored to have you
on the show and you get a chance to meet you, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Last time I saw this dude, he was walking by
the Big Pinky had like four five girls.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
You a big pink, big pink. I'm like, nig.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
Yes, I remember that. I remember that, cray. I was
going I was this big pink, big pink. Hey, big
pink restaurant. First of all, they got a menu bigger
than the United States exactly, and you can't go wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
You know. They got big Pink as the spot. And
I was with for a woman at the time. I
was popping. I'll tell you I was doing that. You
know this man he's seen it, had traveling with me
for I was two years. Hey, I did that.

Speaker 6 (01:27:50):
We got we got some merch for you, sweat it out.
We got a book what you gotta do before we
go on. Let's let's get this that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
This is O.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
G Luke saying he remember seeing me in my pride
on South beach with for them things for the loop.
Saw me so this over, I said, I like that guy.
I want I'm official. Now I'm official.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
So Kobe stamped you in up stamped.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Yeah, I'm good, baby good. I don't tuk myself in
he he just no, I ain'try, remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
I say, hold on, sir, you know I had a
couple of the man running around it with four.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
I said, boy, man, he always up jack. We used
to do our thing, bro, No we did. I think
there's no question, no question about it, no question day man.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Mm hmmm open

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