October 27, 2020 • 31 mins
She is one of the youngest people to serve as a U.S. Congresswoman, and to ever be elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, but then her husband released compromising photos of her with a female staffer forcing her to resign from office. Today, she’s a new woman focused on advocating for young women running for office and for under-represented communities including LGBTQ individuals and ethnic minorities. She shares her thoughts with us on the upcoming election, and she explains the painful details of the events leading to her resignation from Congress.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi there. It's me Laura Wasser, the divorce attorney and
the founder of It's over Easy, the online divorce service.
I've been practicing family law for over twenty years and
I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding people through what
may be one of the most terrifying times in their lives.
Along the way, I often have to remind people to
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lower their expectations when dealing with matters of the heart.
Rules simply don't apply. Because all's fair in love and war.
So welcome to the All's Fair Podcasts. Fasten your seatbelt
and let's go. Hi guys, I'm Laura Wasser, and this
is the It's Over Easy podcast. All's Fair. Hey everyone,
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I'm Johnny Rains. I'm a head of content and It's
over Easy. We have an excellent show for you today.
Let's talk a little bit about what's in the news
considering a Corona divorce. You're in good Company was written
by Kim Brooks and in this opinion piece from The
New York Times, one woman uses her own divorce story
to examine the old an ideas of the nuclear family
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in America. It's interesting in this article because she really
does sort of point out that marriage in America is
really not working, especially for families who have kids um
during the pandemic. She also talks about how they're the
lack of companionship inside of marriages is really one of
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the reasons why they are falling apart. And what I
didn't totally understand about this article was does she suggest
that people should not be coupling, cohabiting, co parenting or
is she just saying they can do all that and
not get married, because what is really the difference besides
the piece of paper so to speak? Right, Well, I
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think her point is that it's the two parent household
or even two co parents that are co parenting. It's
just not enough. Here's a paragraph from the article. Is
Mary encouraging the throuble again? Are we back to that? Actually? Yes,
that we are back to that. Actually she was looking
lovingly at the HBOS drama Big Love. A moment of
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clarity came to her one evening while she and her
husband were actually watching the show, and she asked her
husband after watching it, she said, I need some sister wives.
So that's the point is that she wants more companionship.
She says, as married couples spend months trapped in homes
with partners and children. The cherished institution of the nuclear
family begins to look increasingly unworkable and obsolete, while marriage
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begins to feel more and more like a two legged stool.
And you know you need three legs on a stool, right,
I mean again, I think that's fixable. I think that
she needs to get some friends, maybe not sister wives,
but you know how what we do it here on
my block with Mary and Wendy, like it does take
a village. And I think that people need to really
realize that because not being married doesn't really solve her problem,
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said the divorce attorney. I'll tell you something else that
doesn't solve your problems, and that's taking drugs. And apparently everyone,
particularly parents, are taking a lot of drugs these days. Yes,
parents little helpers. We used to call mother's little helpers,
but now their parents little helpers. Doesn't mean opportunity. It's
basically about gummies, right, Like just people that are just
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can't get by without that afternoon glass of wine or
the gummy. I know, I doubt I ever bathed my
children without having at least half a glass of wine
in me. I mean, I just you just taking the
edge off at the end of the day. So this
is by Jessica Gross and in this Sunday style story,
she examines the increase in the use of substances like
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marijuana and alcohol by parents weary of raising children during
this pandemic. And let me just tell you, I fucking
get it, man, I do are you weary? Those folks
who have been sober for years and remain sober throughout
this kudos to you, That's all I'll say. The other
point that they make in the article is that there
is this sort of through line for moms in America
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from the fifties forward of sedating themselves. And as you
take a big drink of is that water? Laura, it's
only ten interesting article? And finally, questions to ask before
ending your relationship? This is by Amelia Narrenberg and Where's that?
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Where's it from? This is also from the New York Times.
My favorite okay from vows experts advice on how to
tell when and if you should break up during COVID
nineteen and I like what Johnny put in my notes.
Spoiler alert. If you're reading this, you probably already know
the answer. It's time to break up. There are some
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really great tips in here. For example, if the world
were easier, would you still want to be with this person?
It's basically it's suggesting that you ask yourself these questions.
First question is if the world were easier, would you
still want to be with this person? The second question,
have your fights changed since the pandemic started? Meaning have
they gotten worse or have you started to care less?
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Number three, do negotiation and compromise feel like you're losing ground?
And number four, would you think your friends should keep
dating this person? Number five? If you could jump ahead
to after the breakup, would you? So? I think the
time you get through that little quiz, you'll know whether
it's time to break up or not. And one thing
about that last one. If you could jump ahead to
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the end of the breakup, I mean, yes, everybody would.
It Just really really takes that time to get through it,
to grieve it, to mourn it, to really begin to
see the possibilities of your next chapter, so you know
the only way out is through. And on that note,
it's not easy, but it's over. Yes, it's Johnny. I
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think there comes a time in many relationships when you
just know in your heart that you're done, and if
you're married, being done usually means divorce, which is not
scandalous or rare in most cases these days. The point
that can Brooks maids in the article Johnny and I
were just discussing that marriage isn't working for many Americans,
particularly those trying to raise children, means something new is
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on the horizon. The American family structure is changing, and
so is our country. The upcoming election, the critical decisions
about our relationships, the pandemic, our lives online, the environment.
It's a lot. Fortuitously, our guest today is adept at
navigating relationships. Plus, she knows Washington, d C. Like the
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back of her hand. She was a protege of Nancy
Pelosi's and her experience with life online is well, it's profound,
to say the least. She's one of the youngest women
to be elected to Congress, and she served as the
US representative for California's twenty five congressional district in two
thousand eighteen, but after an affair with a female staff
member was made public and nude photos were published online,
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she resigned from Congress in two thousand nineteen. Now she's
using her platform to support young women running for office
and to advocate for legislation to a dressed cyber exploitation.
Welcome to all spare Katie Hill. Thanks so much for
having me. I love that you're here, and I love
that you're here. Are week before election day, That's when
this episode will drop. We've got to get people out
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there voting. Um uh, let's talk a little bit about
your backstory, Katie. Your professional life before the midterm elections
in two thousand eighteen was spent basically working with homeless
people in southern California, which is my lifetime stomping ground.
How did that experience lead you to decide to run
for office. Well, I was the executive director of PATH
People Assisting Homeless, which was the largest homeless services organization
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in California. And um, you know, homelessness is not something
that is caused by a single issue. It's the combination
of so many factors, from income inequality, to mental health
and stubstance abuse issues, to the criminal justice system and
failures within society that leads to ultimately people ending up
on the streets. And because of that, I worked on
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a number of policy related matters through out my career
in the industry, and um, the further along I got,
the more I saw that even if we passed, you know,
major funding measures to build housing for people experiencing homelessness
or to fund services, if you didn't address the more
systemic factors, then you were only going to be able
to get so far. It's like bailing water out of
a sinking ship. And so when Trump won in it
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became so clear that everything that we fought for was
in jeopardy. Everything that mattered to me and to my colleagues,
into the people that we were working to serve, was
all at risk. And I wanted to get involved. I
wanted to, you know, be part of flipping the house
in some way. And then I found out that the
district that I had spent my whole life in was
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key in us being able to take back the house,
and so I thought, well, um, I want to get
involved there obviously. And uh, then, basically I didn't like
the candidate who was running. I didn't think you could win.
And someone finally said, well, Katie, you should run, and
I decided, well, let's give it a shot, and we
ended up putting together this really scrappy grassroots campaign, and
UM ended up winning by almost nine points, So it
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was pretty incredible. I remember I gave money to that
campaign you made. You made headlines that year when you
flipped a Republican district to blue, and Vice magazine proclaimed
you had run the most millennial campaign ever and documented
your race as part of the surging wave of female candidates.
What do you think, Katie, is different now about the
way candidates are running in in this year's election. I mean,
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I think some of that they knowingly or unknowingly really
took from what you had done back in eighteen. Yeah,
I think so too. I think we're seeing people run
really progressive campaigns that are not afraid of being young,
and that are not afraid of being really authentic and transparent,
and are kind of bucking the status quo. And we've seen,
you know, upsets against both Republicans, uh, you know, in
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in primaries, you know, in open primaries where people are
outperformed Democrats are outperforming Republicans, but also even against Democratic
incumbents too. So I think that we're seeing, you know,
in a lot of ways. I feel like our campaign,
but many others across the country sort of broke a
lot of barriers for especially young people, people of color,
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LGBTQ individuals, and and UM and women to campaign more
as ourselves and less in this kind of typical political
norm and served that way as well once once elected.
So you had been serving for less than a year
when the photos were published, and now that's all in
the rear view mirror. But just give us a little something,
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because I remember going like, oh no, you know, and
not oh no about anything you've done, because frankly it's
not any of anybody else's business, but oh no, like
who did this? This is so fucked up? If you
can talk about it a little bit, because it is
I think important for people to hear. Yeah. So I
had been married. I had been with my now almost
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ex husband UM for fifteen years, and I had tried
to leave him before the election. Even I and UM
he basically said that if leave, I'm going to ruin you.
After six months in Congress, I finally decided I needed
to do it anyway. Well, I had had a consensual
relationship with a woman who had worked on my campaign,
and a few months after I left him, he basically,
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in conjunction with the right wing media and with my
political enemies released photos that showed that relationship and that
were of me naked, taken without my consent, certainly published
without my consent, and they were published in Red State,
which is a right wing blog paper type thing, and
um and in the Daily Mail. And you know, it
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was an extension of the control that he exercised for
a long time of the abuse, and more than anything else,
it was a takedown, right And I think you know
I have obviously had to replay this a million times,
but at that point I felt like my only option
was was to step down, and because I did not
want to be a liability for Pollague, it felt like
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there was no other way to make it end. And
you know, my my own mental health was really struggling
with the release of those images, and at one point
I was suicidal. So I ultimately stepped down, and the
last year has been has been a recovery since then. Absolutely.
I read a really great expos in New York Times
probably over the summer. I'm sure you saw it. I
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mean it was it was a good one. I talked
about the things that you're doing since and all that.
Do you think that experience what I mean, we have
seen so many things, Katie, and heard so many things
about even our current president, but about males, I mean,
you know, and yet somehow they're able to just overcome.
For a woman, it seems to be so much worse.
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And it also seems like we are so used to
in our society saying like, oh, well, boys will be boys,
But yet if it's a woman, the women are the
worst criticizers. I'm sure all those that Christian right was like,
oh can you imagine it? And then with a woman
and the hair brushing and whatever, and have that poor
man that she was married to, who seems like such
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a jerk. I mean, is that changing? Will we see
that change? Why is it that way? I'm sure you've
examined this. I know I've seen things on her time
about it. What can you say about that? I think
it is changing. Um. I think it's especially changing with
younger women, where we are recognizing the inherent sexism and
misogyny in so many face sets of life. Um. But
you're right, they're just not as many. You know, we're
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as women were relatively new to politics, right, we're certainly
by comparison, new to serving an elected office. And uh,
and that means that we're relatively new to scandal, so
you know, the expectations have been so much higher for
us in terms of the virtuosity and um and the
quote unquote ethics and you know, the behaviors like, yeah,
we've shoot, men have been having affairs in politics and
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otherwise forever, and we just don't even batnyet And I
mean when everything happened with Clinton, everyone blamed Monica, this
twenty two year old intern and not the other way around.
And you know, even even now we've just with other
kinds of scandal. Ralph Northam never stepped down and he
seems to be so driving that just fine. We I
think that there's a there's a big difference just in
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terms of what we've seen, like what we've we've actually
experienced women going through in terms of scandal. And I
think that you know, we we struggle with imposter sydoma
all the time, right, and whatever whatever we're doing, and
I think we're pretending to be someone that we're really
not and we don't we shouldn't really be in that office, right,
or that we don't belong that we you know, whatever
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it is, whether it's in an an executive level careers
or in um, in a number of different things. And
certainly I think the higher you go in any kind
of profession, the more you just have this kind of
inherent sometimes at least self doubt. That's that's ingrained in
and socialized into us. And when you are faced with that, um,
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when something like a scandal comes about, then we don't
have this just immediate confidence of like, of course I
belong here, and of course the people who are making
this a scandal are the ones that are wrong. You
have that questioning of like, well, shoot, do I deserve
to be here in the first is or at least
that's how I experienced it. So UM, I think I
think it has to change. And um, the more and
I've been really gratified and and I guess relieved that
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so many women have come to my defense afterwards and
and now, and UM, I hope to hope that that continues,
and I hope that the next woman who's faced with
a similar situation does not feel the need to resign.
I love that, I really do. And I feel like, look,
there's two things. It's not just being a woman, it's
also being a democrat. We always seem to be the
ones that are like I don't want to hurt the party.
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I'm gonna step down Al Franken. And yet at the
same time, I mean, you see the Republicans and men
over and over again saying, well, you know what happened,
but it doesn't really matter. I mean, in my opinion,
I don't care who slept with who. You're doing your job.
If it's not precluding you from doing your job, then
I don't need to know whatever your extra marital situation
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is and can we move on please? Yeah, I agree
with that, no matter who it has to do. I mean, right, like,
I don't care about the publicly either, Yeah, I mean,
if if there's money, if there's like if you know,
if you get into the unethical side of things in
terms of money or in terms of influence with lobbyists
and like, that's that's where I care, sure, Or if
you're hurting somebody else, I mean, if you're actually like
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you know, not consensual things. But no, not in this instance.
This is all's fair with Laura Wasser. I'm Laura, and
this election coming up is one of the most important
ones that will be in our lifetimes. So we've invited
someone who knows what it's like to run for political
office and win. Her name is Katie Hill. Listen to
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this and then we'll get back to our conversation. Katie
Hill was part of the blue wave in everyone I
Katie Hill, and I am running to take out Steve
nine year old first time candidate who flipped a Republican
healthy in Los Angeles County. Steve Knight just called to concede.
Becoming one of the first openly bisexual women in congress,
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Hill was endorsed by President Obama, mentored by Speaker Nancy Pelosi,
and was coach of her freshman congressional class. Sorry, it's
my first time I'm here. In October, websites published nude
photos of her that Hill says came from her husband.
They revealed a three way relationship she'd had with a
female employee on her campaign, and accused her of sleeping
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with one of her staffers in d C, which she denies.
The scandal led her to resign after less than a
year in office. I'm leaving because I no longer want
to be used as a bargaining chip. I'm leaving because
I didn't want to be peddled by papers and blogs
and websites used by shameless operatives for the dirtiest gutter
politics that I've ever seen. Hill's been through a lot
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since she quit. Her mother had brain surgery, her brother
died of an overdose, and Hill herself has been in
lockdown like the rest of us. But now she's back. Hedy,
You're a stad so okay, so and your autobiography, she
will rise becoming a warrior in the Battle for True Equality,
which is out now, came out in August of this
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year from Grand Central Publishing. How has that book been welcomed? Oh,
I've gotten really great feedback. It was really important to
me to not just write a memoir, right, but to
make it about, you know, these shared experiences that we
as women have and how we kind of can dismantle
the power structures that are holding us back. Um and
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so I I talk about my experiences in the context
of these battles that we need to fight and ultimately
to use them as examples and and talk about the
you know, the way forward. You started the book before
your brother died, and then you finished it in three weeks,
according to I think a Guardian article that we read.
What gave you kind of the incentive to kind of
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push through and get it done because I I don't.
I can't even imagine. I can't imagine the year you had. Yeah,
So the deadline was supposed to be basically, it was
two weeks after, Yeah, less than two weeks after my
brother passed away. When he died, everything was obviously turned
upside down, and I said, there's no way I can
finish it that soon. But it was really important to
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me to be able to. UM. I wanted to be
able to publish it in time for the the Hydroth
anniversary of Suffrage. And once he died, I you know,
really had to kind of reflect on what was important,
and I felt like it was I felt like I
needed a I needed a purpose, and I needed to
kind of be able to process, you know somehow, UM
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and and to keep pushing forward. And I and I
in the book actually by talking about a letter that
I got from his friend and you know, a girl
that he'd been seeing, and UM, that actually was part
of what kept me going too. So I'm glad I
did it. But now you know, now that the book
is published and it's you know, the tour is kind
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of the tour of the virtual tour has kind of
you know, um, most of it has has happened, at
least the heavy parts of it have happened. Now I'm
trying to take some time and space too, you know,
I don't know, become human. Yeah, you know, it's true.
It's very easy to kind of compartmentalize and focus. My
mom died last year. I think it took me a
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full year. It wasn't until this past summer that I
was like, oh my god, I have to actually like
focus on this grief and kind of get through it.
And it was not fun at all. So I feel you.
I mean, I just I want you guys listening to
check out this book, and pr says that it aims
to encourage women to run for office, and it's been
called a guide for women breaking glass ceilings. What do
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you say to women who may have been I mean, look,
it's easy to say I went through this, I'm here,
I'm still standing, I'm rising. But what do you say
to people who are like I don't. I mean, I
do find that a lot of particularly Democrats, have kind
of shied away from politics these days because of exactly
this kind of a what are they going to do?
What's in my past? How are they going to rip
me apart. It's very brave and very daunting. What would
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you tell young women if you really thought that they
were someone who had a real promising career in politics
and they were like, I don't know, I'm much sure
I feel it. So I am faced with this every day,
and um, the thing that I say is that, you
know what, the only way that we change things is
if people like you do run and that you could
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get hurt. But the more that you're out in front
of it, the more that you you know that this
stuff is in your past, but you are going to
own it anyway, and that you're gonna say, you know,
I am who I am, and I have no shame
about the fact that I've you know, taken pictures and
sent them to people that you know, I've had consensual
relationships with. And if that comes out, that's not on
you then, and that that's I guess the part that
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I wish I had felt more kind of I don't know,
confidence in of of um, you know, knowing that it
wasn't my fault, knowing that I was a victim of
a sex crime. Really, Um, so I guess I guess
I say, like, yes, this is the worst that can open.
But it really is the worst that can happen, Like
it couldn't get much worse than what happened to me.
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And I'm still telling you she should run exactly. I
like that. Let's talk for a minute about her time.
I get my the alerts on my phone. I totally
love it. Tell our listeners and what I do every
time there's elections. I will not always do the groundwork myself,
but I'll go in and I'll figure out because I
have a lot of young women that work at my firm,
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you know, Jen, I know a lot of young women
who we made and men too, by the way, who
don't necessarily have the time to look into every you know,
question or incentive that's on the ballot, and certainly not
all of the nominees. So tell us because at some
point I will be putting together something to send out
to anybody who's interested. Who are the candidates that her
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time is endorsing. So we have a number we're endorsing
in congressional races, but we're also even endorsing. Um, We've
got some Senate candidates that we're endorsing, and we're even
endorsing down ballot. So Um, there's too many for me
to name all of them, so I would encourage people
to go to her dash time dot com for our
fullest But there are some really exciting folks that are
in red to blue races where these are districts that
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are really tight, competitive seats that could flip from red
to blue and could uh, could you know, help expand
our majority. But they're also young, women, diverse candidates. These
are people who who we want as leaders in our
party and leaders within our country, regardless of the fact
that they that we could be taking Republican seats to
a couple. A few that are really top of mind
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are in Texas. I think Texas is a huge battle
around state this time, So candas down Seula is in
Texas twenty four. Do you know Ortiz Jones. I can't
remember district number right now, but she's awesome. And there
are just so many across the country that we've we've
chosen to highlight and I'm really really excited about them.
I think that we're gonna have a We're gonna have
a solid showing in November. Good Please go to her
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dash time, look at those lists, follow it because it's
a really, really great resource. So I know a lot
of times our parents, at least when I was growing up,
would talk about where were you when you found out
JFK was dot? Where were you when you found out
Ruth pader Ginsburg died? I was driving? Where was that driving?
I was? I was on a road trip. I think
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I was driving from Yeah, I was driving to Montana.
And it's funny because I'm back in Montana now, but
I stayed behind you. I say that, Yeah, it looks
like like we're about to get into the next episode
of Yellowstone pretty much. Yeah, it's very close. Why but yeah,
I know I was. I was driving to Montana and
I've been out of service, and I got a text
message from one of my friends and she's like, oh
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my god, Ruth pader Ginsburg dag And I was like, no,
I just had this horrible, sinking feeling. Um. And you know,
then then people people are always asking me like what
do we do? What does this mean? And I'm like,
I don't actually like I'm hearing that out too. But
but you know, we can't give up hope. And there's
there's the biggest thing is gonna be us not only
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winning this election, but winning it big. Yeah, And the
more we went by, the more of a man dyd
it is. The more that we know that we're you
know that that even if it's not something that Democrats
want to do, like we're gonna have to expand the
court if that's what it takes. So um. But if
we if we only win, if we don't win, obviously
we can't do anything. Um. But if we only win
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by a small margin, it's gonna be that much harder.
So the more we win in every single state across
the board than the better the better service will be.
And I do feel like I've heard from so many
people that I've asked that question or were when we're
just talking about there was this sense of despair, the
sense of oh my god, one more thing in life,
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stocks everything is terrible. And then I feel like so
many people the next day were like totally energized and
inspired and like, Okay, now we're coming out fighting. This
is what she would have wanted. We have to work
even harder and I and again I'm hopeful that people
will stay on that tip to kind of keep it
going for me. It also was Russia, Shawna. It was
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the Jewish New Year and there was that time period.
I mean we had people coming over for dinner, socially distanced,
but my family was with me. I was weeping, there
was a lot of key lap, and so it took
a little while to get more energized the next morning.
But yeah, definitely, this is not the time to give
up hope. No, no, we can't afford to. We just can't.
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All right, So this is the time in the show
when we do what we call the interrogatories. Okay, so
Katie Hill, you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth. I do. Which relationship in
your life has had the most profound impact. There's so many.
It's all with my family. Um, I would say, I
would say the relationship with my mom because you know,
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she's been such a role model for me. She's she's
the person that is there no matter what, that I
can always count on, um who will tell me what
I exactly what I need to hear, and he gives
me the strength to keep going even though she's had
she's just faced so much adversity and just keeps showing
up and is you know, strong, stronger than anyone I know.
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She was a nurse right, she still is. Yeah, and
even during COVID, even after all the cancers, Oh my goodness.
And dad was a cop. He's about to retire. But
my mom is. She's actually now a house supervisor, which
means she runs the hospital on the night shift. And
so she she went six months less than six months
after brain surgery and after her sun died, and during
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COVID she's back doing that. And now we see where
you've got your studies around both parents apparently. What's your
favorite love song? I really like Wonderful Tonight by Eric Clapton.
I saw that that question was coming up, and I
was like, I think that's the one. Yeah, I like that.
What's the one piece of advice you'd share with your
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twenty something year old self. Most most of our guests
have to go back a lot further than you to
remind themselves. Don't get married, definitely, don't get married in
your twenties. Maybe maybe in your thirties, but don't get
married in your twenties. I like it. And which one
anti comedy could you watch on repeat? That's a good one. Um,
(28:04):
I might have to get back to you on that one.
Let me think about it more. Okay, thank you for
your service and your bravery and your awesomeness and all
you're doing today to make our country and our world
a better place. I'm proud my ten year old who's
doing you know, remote learning cam Downy poked in and
like looked at you and he's like, is that her?
And that's her? UM, tell people where they can find
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you online, where we can find your book and get
more information about her time as we approach this election. Please, so,
I personally am the most active on Twitter and my
handles Katie Hill the number four c A so Katie
Hill four c A UM and I am so her
time is her dashtime dot com. Um. The book is
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and all the social handles are on all the websites too. So.
UM the book is She Will Rise book dot com
as everywhere you can buy it. It's also got resources
on domestic violence, on how to get involved in different
things including pay and all kinds of different stuff. Um.
And then the last one is Naked Politics Podcast dot com,
which is the new podcast that's coming out starting m
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probably next week. Very exciting. We will tune in, we
will listen. Thank you so much for being with us.
I know you're crazy busy, you rock. I don't know
what else to say. I'm like, so proud to be
a woman and have you like coming up and rising
as you said, so thank you for being with us. Well,
she was amazing. I love her. She I mean, Jesus Christ,
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you know what. I thought that what I was struck by.
And this may be a generational difference or an age difference.
She didn't seem angry. I would have been so pessed
at my husband. I mean, I mean seriously, I've had
people say to me boyfriends, you know, like I'm gonna
take you down, I'm gonna go against you. But I
never really believe them because ultimately they were people that
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I had loved or shared children with, and so I
never really thought that that could happen. And wow, I mean,
what a deck. If you're listening, which I'm sure you're not,
you're a deck. Yeah. And but but you know the
thing is she did love him, they were married, and
that kind of betrayal to me is just like the
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worst thing. I can't I don't know how, like you said,
how she's she's She's obviously worked through the anger, She's
worked through a lot to get to this place of strength.
And one more thing that I will also say. Maybe
this is just because I'm an older person, but remember
my dad taught me two things growing up. One if
you can't carry it, don't pack it. And two, don't
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let anyone take naked pictures of you. Now again, maybe
that's a new thing, she said, don't be embarrassed about it,
It's okay whatever. I'm just thinking that I don't really
want anyone taking naked pictures of me. Yeah, here I
am this age, check me out exactly, and then let
it just be an image in your head. And also,
I'm not sending any naked pictures of myself to anyone else.
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And yeah, I'm just saying anyway, conversation, guys, can you
please go vote? Can you just please go vote again?
If for no other reason that if you don't vote,
you can't complain later. Okay, you can't be one of
the ones going, well, I voted and so this happened.
Or while I go vote. We worked really hard to
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get that right. Go do it. Women, men, black, white, brown,
go fucking vote. We'll talk to you soon. I'm Laura Wasser.
This is all's fair, and I'm Johnny Rains. Thanks so
much everyone, Bye,
Hi there. It's me Laura Wasser, the divorce attorney and
the founder of It's over Easy, the online divorce service.
I've been practicing family law for over twenty years and
I've worked on thousands of divorces, shepherding people through what
may be one of the most terrifying times in their lives.
Along the way, I often have to remind people to
(00:21):
lower their expectations when dealing with matters of the heart.
Rules simply don't apply. Because all's fair in love and war.
So welcome to the All's Fair Podcasts. Fasten your seatbelt
and let's go. Hi guys, I'm Laura Wasser, and this
is the It's Over Easy podcast. All's Fair. Hey everyone,
(00:41):
I'm Johnny Rains. I'm a head of content and It's
over Easy. We have an excellent show for you today.
Let's talk a little bit about what's in the news
considering a Corona divorce. You're in good Company was written
by Kim Brooks and in this opinion piece from The
New York Times, one woman uses her own divorce story
to examine the old an ideas of the nuclear family
(01:02):
in America. It's interesting in this article because she really
does sort of point out that marriage in America is
really not working, especially for families who have kids um
during the pandemic. She also talks about how they're the
lack of companionship inside of marriages is really one of
(01:22):
the reasons why they are falling apart. And what I
didn't totally understand about this article was does she suggest
that people should not be coupling, cohabiting, co parenting or
is she just saying they can do all that and
not get married, because what is really the difference besides
the piece of paper so to speak? Right, Well, I
(01:43):
think her point is that it's the two parent household
or even two co parents that are co parenting. It's
just not enough. Here's a paragraph from the article. Is
Mary encouraging the throuble again? Are we back to that? Actually? Yes,
that we are back to that. Actually she was looking
lovingly at the HBOS drama Big Love. A moment of
(02:04):
clarity came to her one evening while she and her
husband were actually watching the show, and she asked her
husband after watching it, she said, I need some sister wives.
So that's the point is that she wants more companionship.
She says, as married couples spend months trapped in homes
with partners and children. The cherished institution of the nuclear
family begins to look increasingly unworkable and obsolete, while marriage
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begins to feel more and more like a two legged stool.
And you know you need three legs on a stool, right,
I mean again, I think that's fixable. I think that
she needs to get some friends, maybe not sister wives,
but you know how what we do it here on
my block with Mary and Wendy, like it does take
a village. And I think that people need to really
realize that because not being married doesn't really solve her problem,
(02:49):
said the divorce attorney. I'll tell you something else that
doesn't solve your problems, and that's taking drugs. And apparently everyone,
particularly parents, are taking a lot of drugs these days. Yes,
parents little helpers. We used to call mother's little helpers,
but now their parents little helpers. Doesn't mean opportunity. It's
basically about gummies, right, Like just people that are just
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can't get by without that afternoon glass of wine or
the gummy. I know, I doubt I ever bathed my
children without having at least half a glass of wine
in me. I mean, I just you just taking the
edge off at the end of the day. So this
is by Jessica Gross and in this Sunday style story,
she examines the increase in the use of substances like
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marijuana and alcohol by parents weary of raising children during
this pandemic. And let me just tell you, I fucking
get it, man, I do are you weary? Those folks
who have been sober for years and remain sober throughout
this kudos to you, That's all I'll say. The other
point that they make in the article is that there
is this sort of through line for moms in America
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from the fifties forward of sedating themselves. And as you
take a big drink of is that water? Laura, it's
only ten interesting article? And finally, questions to ask before
ending your relationship? This is by Amelia Narrenberg and Where's that?
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Where's it from? This is also from the New York Times.
My favorite okay from vows experts advice on how to
tell when and if you should break up during COVID
nineteen and I like what Johnny put in my notes.
Spoiler alert. If you're reading this, you probably already know
the answer. It's time to break up. There are some
(04:40):
really great tips in here. For example, if the world
were easier, would you still want to be with this person?
It's basically it's suggesting that you ask yourself these questions.
First question is if the world were easier, would you
still want to be with this person? The second question,
have your fights changed since the pandemic started? Meaning have
they gotten worse or have you started to care less?
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Number three, do negotiation and compromise feel like you're losing ground?
And number four, would you think your friends should keep
dating this person? Number five? If you could jump ahead
to after the breakup, would you? So? I think the
time you get through that little quiz, you'll know whether
it's time to break up or not. And one thing
about that last one. If you could jump ahead to
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the end of the breakup, I mean, yes, everybody would.
It Just really really takes that time to get through it,
to grieve it, to mourn it, to really begin to
see the possibilities of your next chapter, so you know
the only way out is through. And on that note,
it's not easy, but it's over. Yes, it's Johnny. I
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think there comes a time in many relationships when you
just know in your heart that you're done, and if
you're married, being done usually means divorce, which is not
scandalous or rare in most cases these days. The point
that can Brooks maids in the article Johnny and I
were just discussing that marriage isn't working for many Americans,
particularly those trying to raise children, means something new is
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on the horizon. The American family structure is changing, and
so is our country. The upcoming election, the critical decisions
about our relationships, the pandemic, our lives online, the environment.
It's a lot. Fortuitously, our guest today is adept at
navigating relationships. Plus, she knows Washington, d C. Like the
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back of her hand. She was a protege of Nancy
Pelosi's and her experience with life online is well, it's profound,
to say the least. She's one of the youngest women
to be elected to Congress, and she served as the
US representative for California's twenty five congressional district in two
thousand eighteen, but after an affair with a female staff
member was made public and nude photos were published online,
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she resigned from Congress in two thousand nineteen. Now she's
using her platform to support young women running for office
and to advocate for legislation to a dressed cyber exploitation.
Welcome to all spare Katie Hill. Thanks so much for
having me. I love that you're here, and I love
that you're here. Are week before election day, That's when
this episode will drop. We've got to get people out
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there voting. Um uh, let's talk a little bit about
your backstory, Katie. Your professional life before the midterm elections
in two thousand eighteen was spent basically working with homeless
people in southern California, which is my lifetime stomping ground.
How did that experience lead you to decide to run
for office. Well, I was the executive director of PATH
People Assisting Homeless, which was the largest homeless services organization
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in California. And um, you know, homelessness is not something
that is caused by a single issue. It's the combination
of so many factors, from income inequality, to mental health
and stubstance abuse issues, to the criminal justice system and
failures within society that leads to ultimately people ending up
on the streets. And because of that, I worked on
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a number of policy related matters through out my career
in the industry, and um, the further along I got,
the more I saw that even if we passed, you know,
major funding measures to build housing for people experiencing homelessness
or to fund services, if you didn't address the more
systemic factors, then you were only going to be able
to get so far. It's like bailing water out of
a sinking ship. And so when Trump won in it
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became so clear that everything that we fought for was
in jeopardy. Everything that mattered to me and to my colleagues,
into the people that we were working to serve, was
all at risk. And I wanted to get involved. I
wanted to, you know, be part of flipping the house
in some way. And then I found out that the
district that I had spent my whole life in was
(08:42):
key in us being able to take back the house,
and so I thought, well, um, I want to get
involved there obviously. And uh, then, basically I didn't like
the candidate who was running. I didn't think you could win.
And someone finally said, well, Katie, you should run, and
I decided, well, let's give it a shot, and we
ended up putting together this really scrappy grassroots campaign, and
UM ended up winning by almost nine points, So it
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was pretty incredible. I remember I gave money to that
campaign you made. You made headlines that year when you
flipped a Republican district to blue, and Vice magazine proclaimed
you had run the most millennial campaign ever and documented
your race as part of the surging wave of female candidates.
What do you think, Katie, is different now about the
way candidates are running in in this year's election. I mean,
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I think some of that they knowingly or unknowingly really
took from what you had done back in eighteen. Yeah,
I think so too. I think we're seeing people run
really progressive campaigns that are not afraid of being young,
and that are not afraid of being really authentic and transparent,
and are kind of bucking the status quo. And we've seen,
you know, upsets against both Republicans, uh, you know, in
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in primaries, you know, in open primaries where people are
outperformed Democrats are outperforming Republicans, but also even against Democratic
incumbents too. So I think that we're seeing, you know,
in a lot of ways. I feel like our campaign,
but many others across the country sort of broke a
lot of barriers for especially young people, people of color,
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LGBTQ individuals, and and UM and women to campaign more
as ourselves and less in this kind of typical political
norm and served that way as well once once elected.
So you had been serving for less than a year
when the photos were published, and now that's all in
the rear view mirror. But just give us a little something,
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because I remember going like, oh no, you know, and
not oh no about anything you've done, because frankly it's
not any of anybody else's business, but oh no, like
who did this? This is so fucked up? If you
can talk about it a little bit, because it is
I think important for people to hear. Yeah. So I
had been married. I had been with my now almost
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ex husband UM for fifteen years, and I had tried
to leave him before the election. Even I and UM
he basically said that if leave, I'm going to ruin you.
After six months in Congress, I finally decided I needed
to do it anyway. Well, I had had a consensual
relationship with a woman who had worked on my campaign,
and a few months after I left him, he basically,
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in conjunction with the right wing media and with my
political enemies released photos that showed that relationship and that
were of me naked, taken without my consent, certainly published
without my consent, and they were published in Red State,
which is a right wing blog paper type thing, and
um and in the Daily Mail. And you know, it
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was an extension of the control that he exercised for
a long time of the abuse, and more than anything else,
it was a takedown, right And I think you know
I have obviously had to replay this a million times,
but at that point I felt like my only option
was was to step down, and because I did not
want to be a liability for Pollague, it felt like
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there was no other way to make it end. And
you know, my my own mental health was really struggling
with the release of those images, and at one point
I was suicidal. So I ultimately stepped down, and the
last year has been has been a recovery since then. Absolutely.
I read a really great expos in New York Times
probably over the summer. I'm sure you saw it. I
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mean it was it was a good one. I talked
about the things that you're doing since and all that.
Do you think that experience what I mean, we have
seen so many things, Katie, and heard so many things
about even our current president, but about males, I mean,
you know, and yet somehow they're able to just overcome.
For a woman, it seems to be so much worse.
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And it also seems like we are so used to
in our society saying like, oh, well, boys will be boys,
But yet if it's a woman, the women are the
worst criticizers. I'm sure all those that Christian right was like,
oh can you imagine it? And then with a woman
and the hair brushing and whatever, and have that poor
man that she was married to, who seems like such
(12:57):
a jerk. I mean, is that changing? Will we see
that change? Why is it that way? I'm sure you've
examined this. I know I've seen things on her time
about it. What can you say about that? I think
it is changing. Um. I think it's especially changing with
younger women, where we are recognizing the inherent sexism and
misogyny in so many face sets of life. Um. But
you're right, they're just not as many. You know, we're
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as women were relatively new to politics, right, we're certainly
by comparison, new to serving an elected office. And uh,
and that means that we're relatively new to scandal, so
you know, the expectations have been so much higher for
us in terms of the virtuosity and um and the
quote unquote ethics and you know, the behaviors like, yeah,
we've shoot, men have been having affairs in politics and
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otherwise forever, and we just don't even batnyet And I
mean when everything happened with Clinton, everyone blamed Monica, this
twenty two year old intern and not the other way around.
And you know, even even now we've just with other
kinds of scandal. Ralph Northam never stepped down and he
seems to be so driving that just fine. We I
think that there's a there's a big difference just in
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terms of what we've seen, like what we've we've actually
experienced women going through in terms of scandal. And I
think that you know, we we struggle with imposter sydoma
all the time, right, and whatever whatever we're doing, and
I think we're pretending to be someone that we're really
not and we don't we shouldn't really be in that office, right,
or that we don't belong that we you know, whatever
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it is, whether it's in an an executive level careers
or in um, in a number of different things. And
certainly I think the higher you go in any kind
of profession, the more you just have this kind of
inherent sometimes at least self doubt. That's that's ingrained in
and socialized into us. And when you are faced with that, um,
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when something like a scandal comes about, then we don't
have this just immediate confidence of like, of course I
belong here, and of course the people who are making
this a scandal are the ones that are wrong. You
have that questioning of like, well, shoot, do I deserve
to be here in the first is or at least
that's how I experienced it. So UM, I think I
think it has to change. And um, the more and
I've been really gratified and and I guess relieved that
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so many women have come to my defense afterwards and
and now, and UM, I hope to hope that that continues,
and I hope that the next woman who's faced with
a similar situation does not feel the need to resign.
I love that, I really do. And I feel like, look,
there's two things. It's not just being a woman, it's
also being a democrat. We always seem to be the
ones that are like I don't want to hurt the party.
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I'm gonna step down Al Franken. And yet at the
same time, I mean, you see the Republicans and men
over and over again saying, well, you know what happened,
but it doesn't really matter. I mean, in my opinion,
I don't care who slept with who. You're doing your job.
If it's not precluding you from doing your job, then
I don't need to know whatever your extra marital situation
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is and can we move on please? Yeah, I agree
with that, no matter who it has to do. I mean, right, like,
I don't care about the publicly either, Yeah, I mean,
if if there's money, if there's like if you know,
if you get into the unethical side of things in
terms of money or in terms of influence with lobbyists
and like, that's that's where I care, sure, Or if
you're hurting somebody else, I mean, if you're actually like
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you know, not consensual things. But no, not in this instance.
This is all's fair with Laura Wasser. I'm Laura, and
this election coming up is one of the most important
ones that will be in our lifetimes. So we've invited
someone who knows what it's like to run for political
office and win. Her name is Katie Hill. Listen to
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this and then we'll get back to our conversation. Katie
Hill was part of the blue wave in everyone I
Katie Hill, and I am running to take out Steve
nine year old first time candidate who flipped a Republican
healthy in Los Angeles County. Steve Knight just called to concede.
Becoming one of the first openly bisexual women in congress,
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Hill was endorsed by President Obama, mentored by Speaker Nancy Pelosi,
and was coach of her freshman congressional class. Sorry, it's
my first time I'm here. In October, websites published nude
photos of her that Hill says came from her husband.
They revealed a three way relationship she'd had with a
female employee on her campaign, and accused her of sleeping
(17:21):
with one of her staffers in d C, which she denies.
The scandal led her to resign after less than a
year in office. I'm leaving because I no longer want
to be used as a bargaining chip. I'm leaving because
I didn't want to be peddled by papers and blogs
and websites used by shameless operatives for the dirtiest gutter
politics that I've ever seen. Hill's been through a lot
(17:46):
since she quit. Her mother had brain surgery, her brother
died of an overdose, and Hill herself has been in
lockdown like the rest of us. But now she's back. Hedy,
You're a stad so okay, so and your autobiography, she
will rise becoming a warrior in the Battle for True Equality,
which is out now, came out in August of this
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year from Grand Central Publishing. How has that book been welcomed? Oh,
I've gotten really great feedback. It was really important to
me to not just write a memoir, right, but to
make it about, you know, these shared experiences that we
as women have and how we kind of can dismantle
the power structures that are holding us back. Um and
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so I I talk about my experiences in the context
of these battles that we need to fight and ultimately
to use them as examples and and talk about the
you know, the way forward. You started the book before
your brother died, and then you finished it in three weeks,
according to I think a Guardian article that we read.
What gave you kind of the incentive to kind of
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push through and get it done because I I don't.
I can't even imagine. I can't imagine the year you had. Yeah,
So the deadline was supposed to be basically, it was
two weeks after, Yeah, less than two weeks after my
brother passed away. When he died, everything was obviously turned
upside down, and I said, there's no way I can
finish it that soon. But it was really important to
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me to be able to. UM. I wanted to be
able to publish it in time for the the Hydroth
anniversary of Suffrage. And once he died, I you know,
really had to kind of reflect on what was important,
and I felt like it was I felt like I
needed a I needed a purpose, and I needed to
kind of be able to process, you know somehow, UM
(19:32):
and and to keep pushing forward. And I and I
in the book actually by talking about a letter that
I got from his friend and you know, a girl
that he'd been seeing, and UM, that actually was part
of what kept me going too. So I'm glad I
did it. But now you know, now that the book
is published and it's you know, the tour is kind
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of the tour of the virtual tour has kind of
you know, um, most of it has has happened, at
least the heavy parts of it have happened. Now I'm
trying to take some time and space too, you know,
I don't know, become human. Yeah, you know, it's true.
It's very easy to kind of compartmentalize and focus. My
mom died last year. I think it took me a
(20:14):
full year. It wasn't until this past summer that I
was like, oh my god, I have to actually like
focus on this grief and kind of get through it.
And it was not fun at all. So I feel you.
I mean, I just I want you guys listening to
check out this book, and pr says that it aims
to encourage women to run for office, and it's been
called a guide for women breaking glass ceilings. What do
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you say to women who may have been I mean, look,
it's easy to say I went through this, I'm here,
I'm still standing, I'm rising. But what do you say
to people who are like I don't. I mean, I
do find that a lot of particularly Democrats, have kind
of shied away from politics these days because of exactly
this kind of a what are they going to do?
What's in my past? How are they going to rip
me apart. It's very brave and very daunting. What would
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you tell young women if you really thought that they
were someone who had a real promising career in politics
and they were like, I don't know, I'm much sure
I feel it. So I am faced with this every day,
and um, the thing that I say is that, you
know what, the only way that we change things is
if people like you do run and that you could
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get hurt. But the more that you're out in front
of it, the more that you you know that this
stuff is in your past, but you are going to
own it anyway, and that you're gonna say, you know,
I am who I am, and I have no shame
about the fact that I've you know, taken pictures and
sent them to people that you know, I've had consensual
relationships with. And if that comes out, that's not on
you then, and that that's I guess the part that
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I wish I had felt more kind of I don't know,
confidence in of of um, you know, knowing that it
wasn't my fault, knowing that I was a victim of
a sex crime. Really, Um, so I guess I guess
I say, like, yes, this is the worst that can open.
But it really is the worst that can happen, Like
it couldn't get much worse than what happened to me.
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And I'm still telling you she should run exactly. I
like that. Let's talk for a minute about her time.
I get my the alerts on my phone. I totally
love it. Tell our listeners and what I do every
time there's elections. I will not always do the groundwork myself,
but I'll go in and I'll figure out because I
have a lot of young women that work at my firm,
(22:24):
you know, Jen, I know a lot of young women
who we made and men too, by the way, who
don't necessarily have the time to look into every you know,
question or incentive that's on the ballot, and certainly not
all of the nominees. So tell us because at some
point I will be putting together something to send out
to anybody who's interested. Who are the candidates that her
(22:44):
time is endorsing. So we have a number we're endorsing
in congressional races, but we're also even endorsing. Um, We've
got some Senate candidates that we're endorsing, and we're even
endorsing down ballot. So Um, there's too many for me
to name all of them, so I would encourage people
to go to her dash time dot com for our
fullest But there are some really exciting folks that are
in red to blue races where these are districts that
(23:06):
are really tight, competitive seats that could flip from red
to blue and could uh, could you know, help expand
our majority. But they're also young, women, diverse candidates. These
are people who who we want as leaders in our
party and leaders within our country, regardless of the fact
that they that we could be taking Republican seats to
a couple. A few that are really top of mind
(23:30):
are in Texas. I think Texas is a huge battle
around state this time, So candas down Seula is in
Texas twenty four. Do you know Ortiz Jones. I can't
remember district number right now, but she's awesome. And there
are just so many across the country that we've we've
chosen to highlight and I'm really really excited about them.
I think that we're gonna have a We're gonna have
a solid showing in November. Good Please go to her
(23:51):
dash time, look at those lists, follow it because it's
a really, really great resource. So I know a lot
of times our parents, at least when I was growing up,
would talk about where were you when you found out
JFK was dot? Where were you when you found out
Ruth pader Ginsburg died? I was driving? Where was that driving?
I was? I was on a road trip. I think
(24:11):
I was driving from Yeah, I was driving to Montana.
And it's funny because I'm back in Montana now, but
I stayed behind you. I say that, Yeah, it looks
like like we're about to get into the next episode
of Yellowstone pretty much. Yeah, it's very close. Why but yeah,
I know I was. I was driving to Montana and
I've been out of service, and I got a text
message from one of my friends and she's like, oh
(24:31):
my god, Ruth pader Ginsburg dag And I was like, no,
I just had this horrible, sinking feeling. Um. And you know,
then then people people are always asking me like what
do we do? What does this mean? And I'm like,
I don't actually like I'm hearing that out too. But
but you know, we can't give up hope. And there's
there's the biggest thing is gonna be us not only
(24:53):
winning this election, but winning it big. Yeah, And the
more we went by, the more of a man dyd
it is. The more that we know that we're you
know that that even if it's not something that Democrats
want to do, like we're gonna have to expand the
court if that's what it takes. So um. But if
we if we only win, if we don't win, obviously
we can't do anything. Um. But if we only win
(25:13):
by a small margin, it's gonna be that much harder.
So the more we win in every single state across
the board than the better the better service will be.
And I do feel like I've heard from so many
people that I've asked that question or were when we're
just talking about there was this sense of despair, the
sense of oh my god, one more thing in life,
(25:34):
stocks everything is terrible. And then I feel like so
many people the next day were like totally energized and
inspired and like, Okay, now we're coming out fighting. This
is what she would have wanted. We have to work
even harder and I and again I'm hopeful that people
will stay on that tip to kind of keep it
going for me. It also was Russia, Shawna. It was
(25:55):
the Jewish New Year and there was that time period.
I mean we had people coming over for dinner, socially distanced,
but my family was with me. I was weeping, there
was a lot of key lap, and so it took
a little while to get more energized the next morning.
But yeah, definitely, this is not the time to give
up hope. No, no, we can't afford to. We just can't.
(26:17):
All right, So this is the time in the show
when we do what we call the interrogatories. Okay, so
Katie Hill, you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth. I do. Which relationship in
your life has had the most profound impact. There's so many.
It's all with my family. Um, I would say, I
would say the relationship with my mom because you know,
(26:39):
she's been such a role model for me. She's she's
the person that is there no matter what, that I
can always count on, um who will tell me what
I exactly what I need to hear, and he gives
me the strength to keep going even though she's had
she's just faced so much adversity and just keeps showing
up and is you know, strong, stronger than anyone I know.
(27:00):
She was a nurse right, she still is. Yeah, and
even during COVID, even after all the cancers, Oh my goodness.
And dad was a cop. He's about to retire. But
my mom is. She's actually now a house supervisor, which
means she runs the hospital on the night shift. And
so she she went six months less than six months
after brain surgery and after her sun died, and during
(27:22):
COVID she's back doing that. And now we see where
you've got your studies around both parents apparently. What's your
favorite love song? I really like Wonderful Tonight by Eric Clapton.
I saw that that question was coming up, and I
was like, I think that's the one. Yeah, I like that.
What's the one piece of advice you'd share with your
(27:42):
twenty something year old self. Most most of our guests
have to go back a lot further than you to
remind themselves. Don't get married, definitely, don't get married in
your twenties. Maybe maybe in your thirties, but don't get
married in your twenties. I like it. And which one
anti comedy could you watch on repeat? That's a good one. Um,
(28:04):
I might have to get back to you on that one.
Let me think about it more. Okay, thank you for
your service and your bravery and your awesomeness and all
you're doing today to make our country and our world
a better place. I'm proud my ten year old who's
doing you know, remote learning cam Downy poked in and
like looked at you and he's like, is that her?
And that's her? UM, tell people where they can find
(28:26):
you online, where we can find your book and get
more information about her time as we approach this election. Please, so,
I personally am the most active on Twitter and my
handles Katie Hill the number four c A so Katie
Hill four c A UM and I am so her
time is her dashtime dot com. Um. The book is
(28:48):
and all the social handles are on all the websites too. So.
UM the book is She Will Rise book dot com
as everywhere you can buy it. It's also got resources
on domestic violence, on how to get involved in different
things including pay and all kinds of different stuff. Um.
And then the last one is Naked Politics Podcast dot com,
which is the new podcast that's coming out starting m
(29:10):
probably next week. Very exciting. We will tune in, we
will listen. Thank you so much for being with us.
I know you're crazy busy, you rock. I don't know
what else to say. I'm like, so proud to be
a woman and have you like coming up and rising
as you said, so thank you for being with us. Well,
she was amazing. I love her. She I mean, Jesus Christ,
(29:33):
you know what. I thought that what I was struck by.
And this may be a generational difference or an age difference.
She didn't seem angry. I would have been so pessed
at my husband. I mean, I mean seriously, I've had
people say to me boyfriends, you know, like I'm gonna
take you down, I'm gonna go against you. But I
never really believe them because ultimately they were people that
(29:53):
I had loved or shared children with, and so I
never really thought that that could happen. And wow, I mean,
what a deck. If you're listening, which I'm sure you're not,
you're a deck. Yeah. And but but you know the
thing is she did love him, they were married, and
that kind of betrayal to me is just like the
(30:15):
worst thing. I can't I don't know how, like you said,
how she's she's She's obviously worked through the anger, She's
worked through a lot to get to this place of strength.
And one more thing that I will also say. Maybe
this is just because I'm an older person, but remember
my dad taught me two things growing up. One if
you can't carry it, don't pack it. And two, don't
(30:35):
let anyone take naked pictures of you. Now again, maybe
that's a new thing, she said, don't be embarrassed about it,
It's okay whatever. I'm just thinking that I don't really
want anyone taking naked pictures of me. Yeah, here I
am this age, check me out exactly, and then let
it just be an image in your head. And also,
I'm not sending any naked pictures of myself to anyone else.
(30:57):
And yeah, I'm just saying anyway, conversation, guys, can you
please go vote? Can you just please go vote again?
If for no other reason that if you don't vote,
you can't complain later. Okay, you can't be one of
the ones going, well, I voted and so this happened.
Or while I go vote. We worked really hard to
(31:18):
get that right. Go do it. Women, men, black, white, brown,
go fucking vote. We'll talk to you soon. I'm Laura Wasser.
This is all's fair, and I'm Johnny Rains. Thanks so
much everyone, Bye,
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