October 21, 2022 • 22 mins
You may know the axolotl from a popular video game, but do you know the secret behind this amphibian’s infant-like smile? Hosts Rick and Ebone explore interesting facts about the axolotl, which is only found in Mexico’s Lake Xochimilco. Later, Amazing Wildlife welcomes a young listener very close to the show to share what she loves about the unique creature from its mating dance to its ability to grow a new limb.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, I'm Rich Schwartz. Hi, I'm Abdy Money. Welcome to
Amazing Wildlife, where we explore unique stories of wildlife from
around the world and uncover fascinating animal facts. This podcast
is a production of I Heart Radio and San Diego
Zoo Wildlife Alliance, in international nonprofit conservation organization behind the
San Diego Zoo and Safari Park. This next species has
(00:26):
fascinated people for centuries. It defies typical biological laws such
as metamorphosis, and has inspired folklore and has gained newfound
fame thanks to a popular video game In Nature. This
rare amphibian is only found in Mexico. Today, we're talking
(00:46):
about the acelatto and what makes it so unique, Rick.
The accelatto is also known as the Mexican walking fish,
but that's somewhat of a misnomer. What's the more, are
accurate classification for the axcel ato, Yes, ebony. Their nickname
does lead us to believe there might be some sort
of fish or something, but believe it or not. Axl
(01:08):
Attles are a type of salamander, and salamanders are a
group of amphibians typically characterized by their lizard like appearance
with slender bodies, blunt snout, short limbs, and the presence
of a tail in both larvae and adults. Some people
will even say that salamanders look like a cross between
a lizard and a frog because of their moist, smooth
skin like a frog's and long tails like a lizard's.
(01:32):
I definitely see the lizard connection. So what is it, Rick,
that distinguishes a salamander from a lizard, Well, ebony, It's
fair to say that at first glance, salamanders look like
they are a type of lizard. I mean, I even
said they have lizard like appearances for limbs, lizard like tail,
and so on. But there are some significant differences. For instance,
(01:55):
when you look at the skin of a salamander, it's
moist and smooth, where a lizard skin is naturally dry,
iron has scales. Another visual queue is to look for
an external ear opening on the side of the head.
Lizards usually have these, but salamanders do not. One other
thing lizards have that salamanders lack claws on their toes.
These are just some of the obvious outward appearing differences.
(02:17):
There are, of course, differences in their internal structures as well. Rick,
the axil lotto is culturally revered in parts of Mexico.
Where in Mexico are axilattle found in nature. These charismatic
amphibians once inhabited the high altitude lakes around Mexico City,
but at this time they're only found in a few
(02:38):
spring fed canals and waterways in the area. Most research
suggests that due to habitat degradation, pollution, and the divergence
of water for agriculture has created many challenges for the axilattle.
It was estimated that their population in the wild was
between seven hundred and one thousand, two hundred individuals, but
a more recent study done in two thousand nineteen suggests
(02:59):
that number is probably a lot lower. So the ax
al attle never leaves the water. Just a few episodes back,
in earlier episode, we covered the Chinese giant salamander, which
also stays in its aquatic environment. How common or uncommon
is it for an amphibian to remain in the water
(03:20):
throughout its entire life. Well, honestly, ebany, it's not that
common for an amphibian to spend its whole life underwater.
When we think about amphibians such as frogs, toads, nuts,
and other salamanders, we usually think of the adults that
have lungs and breathe air. They lay eggs in the
water that when they hatch, produce a larvae or tadpole,
depending upon the species. At this stage they have gills
(03:41):
and standard water and are unable to reproduce. But eventually
they mature out of that stage, morphing into life above
water with lungs instead of gills, and are considered adults
at that time capable of reproduction. But in the case
of the axelttle, their development is a little different. They
mature to a reproductive stage without undergoing the normal process
(04:02):
of metamorphosis for a land based adult life, a condition
that's called at which is basically defined as the retention
of juvenile features in the adult animal. Rick is neatony.
What causes the axelts face to look so innocent? Honestly,
they're really cute. Well, maybe I want to clarify for
(04:26):
those listening. Axe lottels are well known for their quote
unquote smiling baby face. Look. I recommend that you do
an image search when you have a chance and specifically
look at their face. Yes, do that, Yeah, right, They're
so cute. They seem to have this permanent youthful soft smile. Now,
is that youthful soft smile result of being a species
(04:46):
that doesn't develop into a full adult phase. Maybe. I mean,
Peter Pan seemed pretty happy. He never grew up right right.
Regardless of the cause, though, there is plenty of research
that shows we humans have a natural soft spot in
heart for what is considered traditional baby features. This visual
stimulus creates a caretaker response in humans. So hopefully the
(05:07):
acts laudels natural state of looking like a young, smiling
animal will help people get more involved with the current
conservation efforts, hopefully. But Rick, is that a common thing
and when it comes to conservation of animals that animals
that are maybe considered cute get more support from the
general public. I think at first, yes, I think that
(05:28):
people can connect more emotionally right off the bat if
they consider an animal looking cute. And so we do
see general public interest in those that quote unquote fit
that cute dynamic. But it's our responsibility, as what we're
doing here with this podcast, to make sure everyone is
aware that all species really need our help. So regarding neotany,
(05:48):
in the neotny condition, there's an interesting theory about how
it has helped some species survive. Can you help explain
how staying in a more infant like state maybe a
survival adaptation? Well, I meany. There is an example of
how it did help with long term survival of one
(06:10):
species called the badger salamander, And although it is only
one example, I think it's a really good one to
kind of help us understand why this might happen and
how it can then help that species. So there is
a human made reservoir in Wisconsint called Badger Reservoir. This
is a very large open water reservoir and it's an
inviting space of course for wildlife, and provides easy entry
(06:32):
for salamanders looking for a safe place to lay their eggs.
But plot twist. There is a wide lip along the
edge of the reservoir, making it absolutely impossible for adult
salamanders to leave the water when their eggs hatched. The
offspring that metamorphosed into the usual land dwelling adult form
with lungs to breathe while they would die because they
(06:52):
wouldn't be able to swim for long enough in the
deep water and eventually pass away. But somehow others managed
to survive through neatny or by reaching reproductive maturity without
developing into that last adult stage and therefore not needing
to leave the water to survive. That's very interesting. Like
other salamanders, science seems to look at the axilatto for
(07:15):
signs of the state of the environment. Rick, what can
be learned about the environment by studying axel house Yes,
that's correct, debony. Like all amphibians, their health is directly
connected to the health of the waterways that they live in.
Pollution of any kind that enters a waterway can easily
be a threat to the overall health of the axilatte.
(07:35):
In regions where there is poor waste regulation that allow trash, plastics,
heavy metals, and chemicals to spill into the canals where
the axe lattels live, we see populations decline. When you
couple these influences with climate change that has impacted water
cycles due to droughts, well, we can see why the
axe latte is critically endangered in general. What role do
(07:58):
salamanders play in the ecosystem? Because we've learned from past
conversations that wildlife is well, I've learned you knew already,
but we've learned from previous conversations that wildlife is interconnected,
so the disappearance of an animal can sometimes have unexpected consequences. Yes,
you're right. Like other species, the axil lotto plays an
(08:20):
important role in the food chain of its ecosystem. Now.
While they are a food source for other animals, they
are also predators. The axe lottle eats insects, small aquatic invertebrates,
and small fish, helping to keep those populations balanced, which
makes it worth protecting. Coming up, we have a special guest,
an Amazing Wildlife Young listener will have a chance to
(08:43):
chat with Rick about her favorite amphibian, the axcel atto.
That's right after this. Now it's time for the San
Diego zoom in. It an opportunity for you to learn
what's new at a zoo. Two children's books published by
(09:04):
the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance Press were honored with
the Gold Awards by the Independent Book Publisher Association ib
p A at their thirty third annual ibp A Benjamin
Franklin Awards. Author Georgian Irvine's Hope and Inspiration collection children's books,
Saving Mocha The True Tale of a Rescue Tiger cub
one Gold in the Young Reader non fiction eight to
(09:25):
twelve year old category and author Carrie Hassler's A Letter
from Tashi, a snow Leopard Tale one gold in the
children's picture book four to seven year old category. Did
you know this species name was adapted from an ancient
Aztec language. Here to tell us more about it is
San Diego Zoo Wildlife Reliance Ambassador Marco went Hi Marco Hey, Ebony, Yeah,
(09:48):
you're absolutely right. Oxy Laudel's name originates from a u
do As second language called no what, or as other
people know it as no waddle. The traditional pronunciation of
the last two letters t l is more of a
sound or a case sound. Now this language is spoken
by nearly a million people in Mexico. The American English
(10:08):
pronunciation of axelatal or even the Spanish variation of alt
are not its true origins. Axelatl's traditional pronunciation a sholok
originates from a combination of no what, words of water,
act and salok, which can translate into dog, companion, page,
or even has a reference to unusual or abnormal. As
(10:31):
mythical connection is to the god shut the aspect god
of fire lightning, and twin brother to quets Aqua. It
is said one of the Aztecs creation stories that to
avoid being sacrificed, shell Look turned himself into several things
to avoid being found by his brother gets the third
transformation being that of an Ashluk language, like nature evolves
(10:55):
throughout history, whatever pronunciation you adopt, Understanding the heritage and
the culture of the name, shall Look or axe Wattle
helps us connect further with this wondrous and charismatic species.
(11:16):
For the second part of this episode about the ax Lottle,
we kind of have a special guest, sort of a
unique situation. We often will have kid questions where they
send in questions and I'll answer them. But in this case,
we're talking to my daughter because she and my co
host Ebony, started a conversation about axelttles, and Ebony thought
it would be a great idea for you and I
(11:37):
have had that conversation for this episode, and so she
told the producers that idea, and they thought it was
a good idea. So here we are, so Acacia, don't
you go ahead and introduce yourself. Tell everybody your name
and how old you are. Hi. My name is Akasha
and I am ten years old, and I think it's
kind of funny because I remember very clearly when you
first even learned about the axil level. Can you tell
(12:00):
me about that time? So I was really into this
game called Minecraft, and they had this new update and
it had all sorts of different animals, and they said
that there was this new animal called an Axelottel, and
so I really want to discover what that was and
find it in the Minecraft. And when I did, I
(12:24):
was like, whoa, these are really interesting looking creatures. I
remember it when you when you first found it too.
I heard you're like, Dad, Dad, is this a real animal?
Come look at this, because you weren't sure if it
was a real animal. It made up once for the game,
right yeah. I was like, is this paid up? Yeah?
And so that was a while ago, and then ever since,
you've kind of always enjoyed finding them in Minecraft. But
(12:47):
then earlier this year we ended up with some ax
Flottels at the San Diego Zoo and that was kind
of exciting because it was a chance to now not
to see them on a YouTube video or on a
picture online or Minecraft, to see a person huh. Yeah.
And when I first heard that, I was like, really, like,
my head was like, what in the world. It's actually
(13:09):
at the zoo. What do you think it is about
the axe flot of that made you so interested in them?
I just like how cute their little faces are, and
they always look like they're smiling, and the fringes on
the gills that are sticking out, it looks like for
oh yeah, so they for anybody who doesn't know what
(13:30):
they look like. And you're I like the part you
set out to smile. I've I've read people have written
it looks like they have the Mona Lisa smile. It's
a very subtle smiles, like a big giant grin. It's
kind of subtle. And then yes, you're right. The gills
they stick out almost like um, I wouldn't say like
a full mane of a lion, but they kind of
stick out around the back part of the head and
(13:50):
it kind of looks furry r fringe e like that.
Have you heard about because I know you you've kind
of looked into it a little bit. With the axles,
have you heard about their a bill to regrow a limb? Uh? Yeah,
I've heard about it because I learned about lizards and
when I first discovered ax laddels, when I heard that.
(14:14):
I was like, oh, yeah, that's really cool. Like they
can regrow a leg, they can regrow like their tail,
and they can regrow like any part of their body. Yeah,
that's something that's kind of interesting because you mentioned lizards,
because if a lizard loses a limb such as a leg,
they can't grow it back, but they can detach their
tail purposely and then regrow that and that's a defense mechanism.
(14:38):
They leave the tail behind for the predator. But with
the axe laddel they could have a limb cut off
and the tail doesn't naturally detach. Some part of the
tail all the way to the rear end can be
removed and they'll regenerate it. They grow it back. It's
very interesting. It's so it's similar yet different than the lizard. Yes,
why do you think that's important for them? Why do
you think they'll be able to do that? Um, just
(15:01):
in case like a predator or a human are trying
to kill it or something, they might just cut off
a part of their body trying to catch it to Okay, Yeah,
that's possible and it's interesting. Scientists are still studying and
researching why they have the ability to do that. And
another question that's imposed, which I think is kind of
not something I would want to put an axe lottle through.
(15:21):
But the question I read about a scientist was trying
to look into was how many times can they regrow
a limb? Is it like just forever for the entire life,
something keeps bothering and taking off a limb? Can they
just keep regrowing? Which I think is again not something
I want to put an axe all through, but it
is a curious question. Have you ever seen any pictures
of or do you know if the axe lotteles have teeth? No,
(15:43):
I actually do not. I've never seen any pictures or
seen them eat. Yeah, they do have teeth. It's kind
of interesting though. The teeth are more for just grabbing
and holding onto their food. They don't really bite off
pieces of something with those teeth, and they don't chew
with those teeth. It's more just for holding on from
what I understand with what I've read about them, kind
(16:04):
of like uh, alligators and crocodiles. They don't use it
for chewing or anything, just use it to try and
get it in their mouth. Yeah, that's a good comparison
alligators and crocodiles. Definitely don't chew with those teeth, but
can hold on very tightly to their prey. That's a
good comparison, although I don't think the axil quite has
the same jaw strength. We talked about their looks. Is
(16:28):
there anything else about the axe law that you think
is very interesting? Um? I like their tail because like
you can see like the actual tail, and that it
has like fins around the tail, which I think is
cool because and it looks like their tails like see
through almost. Yeah. So they have a long dorsal fin
down the back of the tail and then one along
(16:50):
the bottom side of the tail. Some people say it
kind of looks like the back end of an eel.
Would you agree with that? With your observations, here's a
fun question for you. Do you think games like Minecraft
should introduce more unique animals like the Axeltel? Yes, because
when I first found the axe attle, I got very
(17:10):
excited because they looked very very pretty too, And um,
newer animals like into different games would be like good
for other people to learn if they're not very popular
yet on what the animals are, and then they might
want to go research it because what they see them
doing Minecraft, that's true. It's a good point because sometimes
(17:34):
people who might be playing video games maybe wouldn't have
a natural interest in some unique wildlife, but if they
get exposure to it, it's an opportunity for them to
learn more and and maybe even an opportunity for the
video game companies to help with conservation of those species.
What do you think is the most interesting thing about
the axel attel? Probably their colors. Why is that? Because
(17:57):
there's so many different colors and I'm wondering if their
colors like effects on where they live. Yeah, I think
you bring up a good point where animal coloration can
either help us understand where they live or how they live,
or can influence their ability to survive in their environment.
And I did read when researching for this more to
understand the ax a lot of better. I did read,
(18:20):
and I'd have to double check other sources to make
sure that this is accurate, but that the pink and
white colorations that we tend to see in the axeltels
and zoos is a result of them being in human
care for multiple generations and not living in the wild.
That because those who have lived in human care is
(18:41):
a certain lineage of genetics that they have changed slightly
over the years, and they carry more the white pink
coloration versus those in the wild that are still out there,
albeit the numbers are a few tend to be more
of the gray green brown coloration. So to your point,
they survive better in the wild with that kind of
camouflage color. I thought that was kind of interesting. I'm
(19:04):
wondering if there's actually any yellow ones because there's yellow
ones and Minecraft, but are there actually like really yellow ones,
because I feel like that would be a hard color
to like blend in with. Yeah, so what I read
about them, and I want everyone to know, I have
never seen a yellow one in person either, but from
what I have read, when they appear yellow, that is
actually true albinoism. They have red eyes, and their skin
(19:26):
to us looks yellow because it lacks pigment in the
way their body is structured, the way the light goes
through that lack of pigment skin gives it a yellow
color to our eyes. Interesting. Yeah, so the yellow is
looking ones probably in Minecraft are replication of being albino,
left to jected to give them red eyes. Do you
do you remember if the ones in Minecraft have red eyes?
I don't know, but I could check to check, I
(19:47):
can literally just spawn a bunch of axel red eyes.
And you had mentioned to me you had one more
question about the ox laudels um. Yes, it is why
do the axel alls never grow up so in the
sense of they go from egg to their juvenile stage
of having gills but never grow up is into having
(20:09):
lungs and living out of the water. That's a good
question that a lot of sciences are still trying to
figure out. Earlier in the episode, Ebony and I mentioned
that there are other salamander species that it is assumed
this happens because they did not have access to getting
out of the water, and so perhaps the only way
for them to reproduce was to go ahead and maintain
(20:31):
gills and living underwater that way, but then mature enough
to be able to reproduce. Usually being able to mature
and reproduce also coincides with getting lungs and living outside
of water, So scientists are still trying to figure out
why the acts of a lot all never goes into
what way you would consider an adult phase of body structure,
but still maturing to reproduce, but maintains living underwater, which
(20:54):
is in salam matters considered juvenile, so it's kind of interesting,
and so maybe that's something you can figure out if
you go for they're into science. Yeah, because in Minecraft
they are in water and you can get them on
the land and they will not die. That might just
be a Minecraft thing. I think with the ax Lottles
(21:15):
they might be able to get out on land for
a little bit, but because their whole breathing is through
gills only, I think they have to get back in
the water sooner than later. Well, thank you so much
Acasia for spending some time with me to add to
our Axlettle episode, especially since I know you like ax
Lottles so much. Thanks. That was really fun. I learned
a lot. Do you mean you learned an ax alttle?
(21:40):
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Amazing Wildlife, where we explore unique stories of wildlife from
around the world and uncover fascinating animal facts. This podcast
is a production of I Heart Radio and San Diego
Zoo Wildlife Alliance, in international nonprofit conservation organization behind the
San Diego Zoo and Safari Park. This next species has
(00:26):
fascinated people for centuries. It defies typical biological laws such
as metamorphosis, and has inspired folklore and has gained newfound
fame thanks to a popular video game In Nature. This
rare amphibian is only found in Mexico. Today, we're talking
(00:46):
about the acelatto and what makes it so unique, Rick.
The accelatto is also known as the Mexican walking fish,
but that's somewhat of a misnomer. What's the more, are
accurate classification for the axcel ato, Yes, ebony. Their nickname
does lead us to believe there might be some sort
of fish or something, but believe it or not. Axl
(01:08):
Attles are a type of salamander, and salamanders are a
group of amphibians typically characterized by their lizard like appearance
with slender bodies, blunt snout, short limbs, and the presence
of a tail in both larvae and adults. Some people
will even say that salamanders look like a cross between
a lizard and a frog because of their moist, smooth
skin like a frog's and long tails like a lizard's.
(01:32):
I definitely see the lizard connection. So what is it, Rick,
that distinguishes a salamander from a lizard, Well, ebony, It's
fair to say that at first glance, salamanders look like
they are a type of lizard. I mean, I even
said they have lizard like appearances for limbs, lizard like tail,
and so on. But there are some significant differences. For instance,
(01:55):
when you look at the skin of a salamander, it's
moist and smooth, where a lizard skin is naturally dry,
iron has scales. Another visual queue is to look for
an external ear opening on the side of the head.
Lizards usually have these, but salamanders do not. One other
thing lizards have that salamanders lack claws on their toes.
These are just some of the obvious outward appearing differences.
(02:17):
There are, of course, differences in their internal structures as well. Rick,
the axil lotto is culturally revered in parts of Mexico.
Where in Mexico are axilattle found in nature. These charismatic
amphibians once inhabited the high altitude lakes around Mexico City,
but at this time they're only found in a few
(02:38):
spring fed canals and waterways in the area. Most research
suggests that due to habitat degradation, pollution, and the divergence
of water for agriculture has created many challenges for the axilattle.
It was estimated that their population in the wild was
between seven hundred and one thousand, two hundred individuals, but
a more recent study done in two thousand nineteen suggests
(02:59):
that number is probably a lot lower. So the ax
al attle never leaves the water. Just a few episodes back,
in earlier episode, we covered the Chinese giant salamander, which
also stays in its aquatic environment. How common or uncommon
is it for an amphibian to remain in the water
(03:20):
throughout its entire life. Well, honestly, ebany, it's not that
common for an amphibian to spend its whole life underwater.
When we think about amphibians such as frogs, toads, nuts,
and other salamanders, we usually think of the adults that
have lungs and breathe air. They lay eggs in the
water that when they hatch, produce a larvae or tadpole,
depending upon the species. At this stage they have gills
(03:41):
and standard water and are unable to reproduce. But eventually
they mature out of that stage, morphing into life above
water with lungs instead of gills, and are considered adults
at that time capable of reproduction. But in the case
of the axelttle, their development is a little different. They
mature to a reproductive stage without undergoing the normal process
(04:02):
of metamorphosis for a land based adult life, a condition
that's called at which is basically defined as the retention
of juvenile features in the adult animal. Rick is neatony.
What causes the axelts face to look so innocent? Honestly,
they're really cute. Well, maybe I want to clarify for
(04:26):
those listening. Axe lottels are well known for their quote
unquote smiling baby face. Look. I recommend that you do
an image search when you have a chance and specifically
look at their face. Yes, do that, Yeah, right, They're
so cute. They seem to have this permanent youthful soft smile. Now,
is that youthful soft smile result of being a species
(04:46):
that doesn't develop into a full adult phase. Maybe. I mean,
Peter Pan seemed pretty happy. He never grew up right right.
Regardless of the cause, though, there is plenty of research
that shows we humans have a natural soft spot in
heart for what is considered traditional baby features. This visual
stimulus creates a caretaker response in humans. So hopefully the
(05:07):
acts laudels natural state of looking like a young, smiling
animal will help people get more involved with the current
conservation efforts, hopefully. But Rick, is that a common thing
and when it comes to conservation of animals that animals
that are maybe considered cute get more support from the
general public. I think at first, yes, I think that
(05:28):
people can connect more emotionally right off the bat if
they consider an animal looking cute. And so we do
see general public interest in those that quote unquote fit
that cute dynamic. But it's our responsibility, as what we're
doing here with this podcast, to make sure everyone is
aware that all species really need our help. So regarding neotany,
(05:48):
in the neotny condition, there's an interesting theory about how
it has helped some species survive. Can you help explain
how staying in a more infant like state maybe a
survival adaptation? Well, I meany. There is an example of
how it did help with long term survival of one
(06:10):
species called the badger salamander, And although it is only
one example, I think it's a really good one to
kind of help us understand why this might happen and
how it can then help that species. So there is
a human made reservoir in Wisconsint called Badger Reservoir. This
is a very large open water reservoir and it's an
inviting space of course for wildlife, and provides easy entry
(06:32):
for salamanders looking for a safe place to lay their eggs.
But plot twist. There is a wide lip along the
edge of the reservoir, making it absolutely impossible for adult
salamanders to leave the water when their eggs hatched. The
offspring that metamorphosed into the usual land dwelling adult form
with lungs to breathe while they would die because they
(06:52):
wouldn't be able to swim for long enough in the
deep water and eventually pass away. But somehow others managed
to survive through neatny or by reaching reproductive maturity without
developing into that last adult stage and therefore not needing
to leave the water to survive. That's very interesting. Like
other salamanders, science seems to look at the axilatto for
(07:15):
signs of the state of the environment. Rick, what can
be learned about the environment by studying axel house Yes,
that's correct, debony. Like all amphibians, their health is directly
connected to the health of the waterways that they live in.
Pollution of any kind that enters a waterway can easily
be a threat to the overall health of the axilatte.
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In regions where there is poor waste regulation that allow trash, plastics,
heavy metals, and chemicals to spill into the canals where
the axe lattels live, we see populations decline. When you
couple these influences with climate change that has impacted water
cycles due to droughts, well, we can see why the
axe latte is critically endangered in general. What role do
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salamanders play in the ecosystem? Because we've learned from past
conversations that wildlife is well, I've learned you knew already,
but we've learned from previous conversations that wildlife is interconnected,
so the disappearance of an animal can sometimes have unexpected consequences. Yes,
you're right. Like other species, the axil lotto plays an
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important role in the food chain of its ecosystem. Now.
While they are a food source for other animals, they
are also predators. The axe lottle eats insects, small aquatic invertebrates,
and small fish, helping to keep those populations balanced, which
makes it worth protecting. Coming up, we have a special guest,
an Amazing Wildlife Young listener will have a chance to
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chat with Rick about her favorite amphibian, the axcel atto.
That's right after this. Now it's time for the San
Diego zoom in. It an opportunity for you to learn
what's new at a zoo. Two children's books published by
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the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance Press were honored with
the Gold Awards by the Independent Book Publisher Association ib
p A at their thirty third annual ibp A Benjamin
Franklin Awards. Author Georgian Irvine's Hope and Inspiration collection children's books,
Saving Mocha The True Tale of a Rescue Tiger cub
one Gold in the Young Reader non fiction eight to
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twelve year old category and author Carrie Hassler's A Letter
from Tashi, a snow Leopard Tale one gold in the
children's picture book four to seven year old category. Did
you know this species name was adapted from an ancient
Aztec language. Here to tell us more about it is
San Diego Zoo Wildlife Reliance Ambassador Marco went Hi Marco Hey, Ebony, Yeah,
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you're absolutely right. Oxy Laudel's name originates from a u
do As second language called no what, or as other
people know it as no waddle. The traditional pronunciation of
the last two letters t l is more of a
sound or a case sound. Now this language is spoken
by nearly a million people in Mexico. The American English
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pronunciation of axelatal or even the Spanish variation of alt
are not its true origins. Axelatl's traditional pronunciation a sholok
originates from a combination of no what, words of water,
act and salok, which can translate into dog, companion, page,
or even has a reference to unusual or abnormal. As
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mythical connection is to the god shut the aspect god
of fire lightning, and twin brother to quets Aqua. It
is said one of the Aztecs creation stories that to
avoid being sacrificed, shell Look turned himself into several things
to avoid being found by his brother gets the third
transformation being that of an Ashluk language, like nature evolves
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throughout history, whatever pronunciation you adopt, Understanding the heritage and
the culture of the name, shall Look or axe Wattle
helps us connect further with this wondrous and charismatic species.
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For the second part of this episode about the ax Lottle,
we kind of have a special guest, sort of a
unique situation. We often will have kid questions where they
send in questions and I'll answer them. But in this case,
we're talking to my daughter because she and my co
host Ebony, started a conversation about axelttles, and Ebony thought
it would be a great idea for you and I
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have had that conversation for this episode, and so she
told the producers that idea, and they thought it was
a good idea. So here we are, so Acacia, don't
you go ahead and introduce yourself. Tell everybody your name
and how old you are. Hi. My name is Akasha
and I am ten years old, and I think it's
kind of funny because I remember very clearly when you
first even learned about the axil level. Can you tell
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me about that time? So I was really into this
game called Minecraft, and they had this new update and
it had all sorts of different animals, and they said
that there was this new animal called an Axelottel, and
so I really want to discover what that was and
find it in the Minecraft. And when I did, I
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was like, whoa, these are really interesting looking creatures. I
remember it when you when you first found it too.
I heard you're like, Dad, Dad, is this a real animal?
Come look at this, because you weren't sure if it
was a real animal. It made up once for the game,
right yeah. I was like, is this paid up? Yeah?
And so that was a while ago, and then ever since,
you've kind of always enjoyed finding them in Minecraft. But
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then earlier this year we ended up with some ax
Flottels at the San Diego Zoo and that was kind
of exciting because it was a chance to now not
to see them on a YouTube video or on a
picture online or Minecraft, to see a person huh. Yeah.
And when I first heard that, I was like, really, like,
my head was like, what in the world. It's actually
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at the zoo. What do you think it is about
the axe flot of that made you so interested in them?
I just like how cute their little faces are, and
they always look like they're smiling, and the fringes on
the gills that are sticking out, it looks like for
oh yeah, so they for anybody who doesn't know what
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they look like. And you're I like the part you
set out to smile. I've I've read people have written
it looks like they have the Mona Lisa smile. It's
a very subtle smiles, like a big giant grin. It's
kind of subtle. And then yes, you're right. The gills
they stick out almost like um, I wouldn't say like
a full mane of a lion, but they kind of
stick out around the back part of the head and
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it kind of looks furry r fringe e like that.
Have you heard about because I know you you've kind
of looked into it a little bit. With the axles,
have you heard about their a bill to regrow a limb? Uh? Yeah,
I've heard about it because I learned about lizards and
when I first discovered ax laddels, when I heard that.
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I was like, oh, yeah, that's really cool. Like they
can regrow a leg, they can regrow like their tail,
and they can regrow like any part of their body. Yeah,
that's something that's kind of interesting because you mentioned lizards,
because if a lizard loses a limb such as a leg,
they can't grow it back, but they can detach their
tail purposely and then regrow that and that's a defense mechanism.
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They leave the tail behind for the predator. But with
the axe laddel they could have a limb cut off
and the tail doesn't naturally detach. Some part of the
tail all the way to the rear end can be
removed and they'll regenerate it. They grow it back. It's
very interesting. It's so it's similar yet different than the lizard. Yes,
why do you think that's important for them? Why do
you think they'll be able to do that? Um, just
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in case like a predator or a human are trying
to kill it or something, they might just cut off
a part of their body trying to catch it to Okay, Yeah,
that's possible and it's interesting. Scientists are still studying and
researching why they have the ability to do that. And
another question that's imposed, which I think is kind of
not something I would want to put an axe lottle through.
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But the question I read about a scientist was trying
to look into was how many times can they regrow
a limb? Is it like just forever for the entire life,
something keeps bothering and taking off a limb? Can they
just keep regrowing? Which I think is again not something
I want to put an axe all through, but it
is a curious question. Have you ever seen any pictures
of or do you know if the axe lotteles have teeth? No,
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I actually do not. I've never seen any pictures or
seen them eat. Yeah, they do have teeth. It's kind
of interesting though. The teeth are more for just grabbing
and holding onto their food. They don't really bite off
pieces of something with those teeth, and they don't chew
with those teeth. It's more just for holding on from
what I understand with what I've read about them, kind
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of like uh, alligators and crocodiles. They don't use it
for chewing or anything, just use it to try and
get it in their mouth. Yeah, that's a good comparison
alligators and crocodiles. Definitely don't chew with those teeth, but
can hold on very tightly to their prey. That's a
good comparison, although I don't think the axil quite has
the same jaw strength. We talked about their looks. Is
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there anything else about the axe law that you think
is very interesting? Um? I like their tail because like
you can see like the actual tail, and that it
has like fins around the tail, which I think is
cool because and it looks like their tails like see
through almost. Yeah. So they have a long dorsal fin
down the back of the tail and then one along
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the bottom side of the tail. Some people say it
kind of looks like the back end of an eel.
Would you agree with that? With your observations, here's a
fun question for you. Do you think games like Minecraft
should introduce more unique animals like the Axeltel? Yes, because
when I first found the axe attle, I got very
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excited because they looked very very pretty too, And um,
newer animals like into different games would be like good
for other people to learn if they're not very popular
yet on what the animals are, and then they might
want to go research it because what they see them
doing Minecraft, that's true. It's a good point because sometimes
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people who might be playing video games maybe wouldn't have
a natural interest in some unique wildlife, but if they
get exposure to it, it's an opportunity for them to
learn more and and maybe even an opportunity for the
video game companies to help with conservation of those species.
What do you think is the most interesting thing about
the axel attel? Probably their colors. Why is that? Because
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there's so many different colors and I'm wondering if their
colors like effects on where they live. Yeah, I think
you bring up a good point where animal coloration can
either help us understand where they live or how they live,
or can influence their ability to survive in their environment.
And I did read when researching for this more to
understand the ax a lot of better. I did read,
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and I'd have to double check other sources to make
sure that this is accurate, but that the pink and
white colorations that we tend to see in the axeltels
and zoos is a result of them being in human
care for multiple generations and not living in the wild.
That because those who have lived in human care is
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a certain lineage of genetics that they have changed slightly
over the years, and they carry more the white pink
coloration versus those in the wild that are still out there,
albeit the numbers are a few tend to be more
of the gray green brown coloration. So to your point,
they survive better in the wild with that kind of
camouflage color. I thought that was kind of interesting. I'm
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wondering if there's actually any yellow ones because there's yellow
ones and Minecraft, but are there actually like really yellow ones,
because I feel like that would be a hard color
to like blend in with. Yeah, so what I read
about them, and I want everyone to know, I have
never seen a yellow one in person either, but from
what I have read, when they appear yellow, that is
actually true albinoism. They have red eyes, and their skin
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to us looks yellow because it lacks pigment in the
way their body is structured, the way the light goes
through that lack of pigment skin gives it a yellow
color to our eyes. Interesting. Yeah, so the yellow is
looking ones probably in Minecraft are replication of being albino,
left to jected to give them red eyes. Do you
do you remember if the ones in Minecraft have red eyes?
I don't know, but I could check to check, I
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can literally just spawn a bunch of axel red eyes.
And you had mentioned to me you had one more
question about the ox laudels um. Yes, it is why
do the axel alls never grow up so in the
sense of they go from egg to their juvenile stage
of having gills but never grow up is into having
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lungs and living out of the water. That's a good
question that a lot of sciences are still trying to
figure out. Earlier in the episode, Ebony and I mentioned
that there are other salamander species that it is assumed
this happens because they did not have access to getting
out of the water, and so perhaps the only way
for them to reproduce was to go ahead and maintain
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gills and living underwater that way, but then mature enough
to be able to reproduce. Usually being able to mature
and reproduce also coincides with getting lungs and living outside
of water, So scientists are still trying to figure out
why the acts of a lot all never goes into
what way you would consider an adult phase of body structure,
but still maturing to reproduce, but maintains living underwater, which
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is in salam matters considered juvenile, so it's kind of interesting,
and so maybe that's something you can figure out if
you go for they're into science. Yeah, because in Minecraft
they are in water and you can get them on
the land and they will not die. That might just
be a Minecraft thing. I think with the ax Lottles
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they might be able to get out on land for
a little bit, but because their whole breathing is through
gills only, I think they have to get back in
the water sooner than later. Well, thank you so much
Acasia for spending some time with me to add to
our Axlettle episode, especially since I know you like ax
Lottles so much. Thanks. That was really fun. I learned
a lot. Do you mean you learned an ax alttle?
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Thanks for listening. We hope you've enjoyed learning about the
ax Alto and be sure to subscribe and tune into
next week's episode, in which we bring you the story
of the smallest bear alive today, sometimes referred to as
the dog Bear. I'm Ebony Money and I'm Rich Schwartz.
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