Don’t Beat Around The Bush with Gavin Rossdale

Gavin Rossdale gets personal with Amy And T.J. about finding love again and his new relationship, his kids and parenting in the best way possible with a former spouse, and being a rockstar in your 50s vs your 20s!
 
Gavin reveals he's acting again and has a new TV show, plus, he's heading out on tour with Bush and bringing the kids along.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, everybody, welcome, and once again DJ has to start
the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Robes.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
We do this every single time. Everybody in the room
knows our producers every single time, right before we come on.
You want to start, You want to start?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
You start?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Why do you ask me? You always know the answer
is going to be the same.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
No, that's going to be one day you have something
you're dying to say, and you're gonna want to start,
But today's not to day. You got anything top of
your brain, on your heart, on your mind right now.
You just want people to know. Tell him right now, Robes,
give it to him. Nothing. See that is so much pressure. No,
just say it, just say it. Speak from the heart
right now, just say it. What just say anything, say

(00:44):
the thing that's.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
On your mind on you. You're a lot.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
You bail out.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Our guests had to bail you know.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know what's funny is that? And I cannot wait
to introduce our guests. But it is funny. The other
day we were saying, Yes, I was saying that I
can tell what mood you're in the moment you wake up,
and I know how the day is going to go.
And then I said, do I have moods, like what
are my moods? And you said, no, you have levels?
You do You're either way up here or down there.

(01:16):
There is no you have.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
A level today?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yes, it's ten, it's ten.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, you've been extra today, extra salty.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
See him.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Emma and Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Laugh because they were here before our guest came in
and they heard you were a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
And you know what I enjoyed. I embrace it. I
love to have a lot to work with here.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
So and our guest is Gavin Rosdale, of course, the
least singer of a bush bring. He had to bail
you out.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I mean, he said something better than I could have
come up with.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So I am happy to defer to the one and
only Gavin Rosta.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
But you know the thing we do want to of
course you're going to be talking to the Gavin David
got a new tour that's coming up. Were talking about
parenting and relationships and Instagram and Instagram Official and all
kinds of stuff to get into. We did a lot
of things in common and just letting you know. But
you remember Justice, you talked to him the other night.

(02:12):
You know exactly who I'm talking about, Justice Jones and
We didn't plan on doing this, and I didn't plan
on doing this before we started. But Justice Jones is
somebody I wish a lot of people would get to know.
He was at an event we did the other night,
and you you remember what you called him? It was
it was the most apt description of this brother that
I've ever heard. You called him a black angel. Yes,

(02:36):
you said in talking to him, he had an aura
about him, and he is a black angel. And what
I'm who we're talking about here is Justice Jones, who
somebody I did a special with a television special about
talking about black men. But he is a member of
the LGBTQ plus community. But he came to an event
of ours, and I don't know rov is the best

(02:56):
way to describe what this event event was, and it
meant to us we'd been talking talking about a little
bit here, but it was our first time in about
a year and a half, the two of us being
in front of a live audience and fielding questions right.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
And obviously we all anyone who's been listening with us
knows that we were in hiding for a year and
a half and speaking in front of a live audience
was nothing new. This is something we'd spent nearly three
decades doing and something honestly, we could wake up and
do and not have any fear, no nerves, nothing. But
when you take a year and a half off of
this and you're actually in hiding to then re emerge

(03:31):
and have two hundred people in front of you. Some
of them were friends and family, which was great but
also intimidating, and then the rest were basically complete strangers.
And we were putting ourselves out there where they could
ask us anything, and we got I don't even think
we were prepared to be as nervous as we were
and then as emotional as we got when we were talking,

(03:53):
because it was a moment for us, a re emergence
and a reunion for a lot of us.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
But when we told our story.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
And we do, we had some themes, and among the
themes was shame. And we talked about going for it,
but the shame part of it was something that we
were hoping would connect with.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
A lot of people. But it did. It did.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
And when Justice stood up during the Q and A portion,
and we didn't know he was in the audience, so
you didn't even know he was sitting back.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
No idea.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
It was there. And again, Justice Jones is someone who
was I did a special having had a panel discussion
with black men from different industries, different backgrounds, and he
was up there as a member of the LGBTQ plus community.
He happened to be at this event the other night,
and he stood up and as much as you and
I have talked, as much as you and I have
going around and around and thoughts about everything that we

(04:44):
went through the past year and have he made a
point to us that we hadn't even thought about.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
He is a black queer man from Omaha, Nebraska, And
so he stood up and said, have you ever hearing
your story? Have you all heard from your QUI friends,
anyone who was in a position where their love, their
relationship was considered immoral and there was shame that went

(05:11):
along with warranted or not your love your relationship. And
he said, I guarantee you there are queer people in
this audience and people in your lives, and people out
there who are listening to you, who are feeling you,
who will feel connected to you, who your story is
resonating with And had he asked, had we ever thought
about that or considered that and no, but it was

(05:32):
such a light bulb went off because this isn't something
unique to us, and it's something that so many people
have lived through and are living through right now, and
we just didn't realize that something that we were talking
about could a fact or impact or at least make
a difference with so many others who don't feel as alone.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
So I want to say thank you to Justice, and
we want to say thank you to a lot of
people in our audience, certainly friends and family who are
in the audience, but folks who just took the time
to show up and to listen and to ask questions
and to interact. And we just had a good time
and it was an important part of our journey to
get back out there in front of a live audience.
We do hope to possibly, we hope to share that

(06:13):
with you. I think the audio is floating around somewhere
from that event, so we do hope to share that
with you at some point. But we just wanted to
say thank you to a lot of people, including Soho
House for having us and the people who were in
the audience.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
That was a really big night.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, it was really cool to get something back from
the audience to learn something from them as we were
sharing our story. So we hope that that continues and
we get to do more of that in the future.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, and we were talking, we were talking music earlier.
There's a thing folks that anytime coming to robots Place,
I will send a text as I'm getting through the park,
as I'm coming in the building. Then the last one
she gets says in the elevator, and then she'll prop
open her door, and then the elevator opens, I get
off on her floor and I hear music playing, And

(07:01):
oftentimes it's not music. I'm that keen on. I don't know.
We like the same music. But when we start to
split a little bit into our specific lanes, you like
still some of that music that goes more into my lane.
I am not as wild about some of the music
going into your.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Very kind way to put it, well, the yacht.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Rock and some of that stuff is not my lane.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, I like.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I mean, I honestly like pretty much all genres of
music except for eightm Okay, that's fair, But I like
it all, Okay, and so, and it's amazing to me.
I know you don't like it. So when I hear
you coming in, I quickly turn it off or turn
it down, sometimes not in time.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Down and she does not get there in time, guys,
she doesn't. But we so it had us thinking. We
were talking the back in the day, and you talk
about your college days, and we were talking about and
as we were researching and getting ready to have Gavin
Rosdale as a guest man, you were you were back
in college, just like that.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Absolutely absolutely Bush Gavin was my was my college days
one hundred percent grunge. I mean I was explaining to
the young folk here in the room, like, yeah, you know,
I wore my dad's jeans from the seventies, had a
flannel shirt on, had a smoky eye, a messy hair.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
You know, it's like black eyeliner, like you just you
kind of like grunge in it up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
So I got so excited replaying all of the music
that I love. And we had a long discussion about
the song Glycerine here before Gavin came in.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
But yes, that discussion went a direction. I didn't know
it was gonna go Gavin.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Uh, it involves depositories, but we I did. I did
read up about some of the background. Usually it's it's
relationships that fuel a lot of lyrics. But apparently you
had some other influences with with some of your lyrics,
right with glycerine, was.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
There some weird suppository late and inspiration for glycerin? No
h makes you? People thought it was so open, different
things over the years. Anyway, what an intro I was
gonna say, You know, shame is a bit like the

(09:11):
flavor profile of bitter. You know, people underestimate it and
what you know as a lyricist and someone who's lived
in the world and gone through plenty of stuff, obviously
it's wild because the further you go into side yourself
and the more honest you become. So by going up
on stage and putting yourselves out there and sort of

(09:32):
leaving yourself open to really quite vulnerable, you know, there's
something so brave and so human about that. And when
you go inside yourself and you find language and discussing
things or landscapes that are quite difficult and maybe have
shame within them, I think the most powerful thing about
it from my perspective hearing that, the first thing I

(09:54):
thought was, like, the reason it resonates is because everybody
feels that, and the that it's so powerful is because
it's such a human condition, and it's a condition that's
not investigated enough, much like the taste of bit that's
a very useful chickory in a dish is a useful thing,
you know. So it's a beautiful thing. You must have done,
so well done.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
No, there were so many things we plan to talk
to you about, but you picked up immediately on that
idea of shame. Where has that shown up in your
Because we talk about a public shaming, right sometimes if
there's a tabloid talking about you, but there's a private
shame that we all feel and share. Where did that
show up in your life?

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Oh, my clearest, simplest shame is just like that. You
have an ideal. I had an eye came up from
My parents were both married three times each. You know,
it's sort of very colorful background, and so I never
thought i'd ever get divorced. So if there's a simple
shame in my life, it's that not. I think that
there's no accidents in life, and you are where you're

(10:56):
meant to be. So I don't live in regret. I
don't do the what's that thing? Twister? You know, if
I have done this if I'd done that, Yeah, life
just unfolds how it should and whether that's comfortable or uncomfortable,
just is what it is. And it's an easier philosophy
to live by because it means you don't sit in regret.

(11:17):
But the the only the biggest thing would be sometimes
I wish that that when you see the kids, that
sometimes there's a loss that you know, would be nice
if there was a sort of a more connection for
the person who made them with me, do you know
what I mean? That so that side of it, and

(11:38):
I think that when so that so I feel bad
for my kids, that's it, you know, That's that's the
overriding thing. The rest of it is like it comes
with the territory, and you know, there's there's been sort
of other things, but that's the most profound. If I
could be the most honest, that would be the most

(11:58):
profound thing of like wish I you know, could have
just figured out a way to not have that in
their lives. It wasn't fun for me to be from
broken home, so I think in a way it gave
me a career. So I don't mind because I turned
it round into sort of an interesting career path, but
it can be quite debilitating for kids, as you know.

(12:20):
So it's just that aspect of it, not the adult
aspect of it, because that it's his own stratosphere of
discussion and whatever, and that it's some shameful things in
there to extent. But the overwriting thing is just like,
you don't want to let your kids down. And that's
the funny thing people say to me when I first
had kids, So have you writen any songs about your kids?
And I'd be like, oh my god, what a terrible idea.

(12:42):
I said, the only thing I'd do, But the criteria
would be to make it, And especially now because my kids,
like my boys like seventeen, fifteen and ten, it's just
to not suck, you know, and just be good at
your job so that when they hold you up like
my friends, my boys, you know, I want to be
able to play the friends like the records. I think

(13:03):
it's cool. I don't want to sort of taper off
and start making really mediocre records that don't have any effect,
because I just would be So it's just like any
of my kids liking my music, is you know you
want you Like I said about the likable thing about
you want the kids be likable. I really want to
like my stuff. Like if they came to my shirt,
they're like, oh, poor old dad, nice guy can cook

(13:25):
a nice omelet. But along with the singing, you know,
I don't know. So I just like the idea of
doing the job. Well, these you guys are great what
you do, so I'm sure your kids are very proudy.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
But did you ever write a song? Is there any
song you've ever written for your kids? Any lyrics even unreleased?
Is there anything you ever wrote?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Wow? No, No, I mean because it's funny, not into it.
It just not doesn't seem right. I'm sure if people,
if you could, I'm sure there's songs you could like
tell me like, oh that was really nut. Someone's you know,
I know, what's it? What's the I suppose there's some

(14:10):
Lenin and Lennon McCartney hate Jude, right, Jude is the
greatest about kid song ever. But that was so good
that no one needed to do one after that they
did it. It just seems too soft, just it's I

(14:30):
haven't done yet.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
It's interesting too, because you talked about regret and sometimes
the discomfort of life and shame and all of that,
and no one wants their kids to feel that based
on your choices. Right, they're byproducts of the pain that
you have in some way contributed to. And you're in
a safe space here because obviously we've been through this,

(14:51):
you know, we've very much said, we've got four marriages
between us, you know, so this is this is anything
that anybody wants to expose their children to.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
And two and two we should be right even on
the right.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Have you watched your children grow through it and because
of it? Because it's only when we're uncomfortable that we
do change, we do evolve. I mean, if everything was
great and comfortable, we'd all stay the same. We wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Did you ever see a learning the sedentary lives? You
guys run. You're running from a lot. You guys are
running every day, That's true, at least two miles. You're
running from something someone.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Sometimes I run on a tennis.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Court side to side. I don't know, I'm running from it.
Do you know what there's like? No, it's just a
physical thing. I'm joking. Yeah, Well, the sign to be
said for the adversity. The most people thing I think
of is that my kids, they spend a week with
me in this split really evenly, so it has done
the numbers half half. If I'm on tour, then it's

(16:02):
a bit difficult, or if she goes away, it's a
bit difficult, or extend the time. But generally the rule
of thumb is a week on, week off. And the
most beautiful thing is that they all travel together. They're
always together. So the most consistent thing they've had in
their lives in the last seven years is each other,
which I find it warms my heart because it's like

(16:22):
where I can't where I've sort of let them down
that chain thing with you know, it is kind of
letting them down saying sorry, that didn't work out. Therefore
we're not going to live together the whole time, which
is really what they want.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
It's a terrible thing to go through, but the strength
to get from each other it's really special. And so
that's why I'm like tell the others want to, like
stop ignoring the two younger ones, you know, like let
them be with you. Don't be too on your own thing,
doing your own thing with your door shut, you know,
include them, involve them, and so it gives them a bond.

(16:57):
I do think that that we've got a culture where
it's funny. You know, I came from a crazy broken
home when I was My mum left when I was
twelve and I just live with my dad and just
then as in England, you know, and it makes me
like I feel a bit bad for that kid because
it's like the most terrible things that happened to you
and there was no mental health, so you're just like

(17:18):
stiff up a lip. Okay, after school you'll be right,
and you're just like my world just ended, you know,
like what's what's happening?

Speaker 4 (17:24):
So carry on?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
So now there's so much support that in a perverse way,
and I don't mean this intentionally, but I think the
one they understand that life is full of dramatic nuances
and situations that are that aren't resolved overnight, in situations
where people disconnect, you know, it's just the way that

(17:48):
it is. And if you can do it in a
sort of a humane and human way and in a
sort of way, they don't feel too isolated. You know,
it does show them that because there's a dangerous that
we make it so perfect for these kids that they
leave the you know, for some when I was marrieders.
We lived in one of those like gated communities. I'd

(18:09):
never meet one of those places. It's like it's like
a street but not. It's so stupid, like you're growing
up but you're not, and you're in a house, but
it's it's just so removed from reality to an extent
that I'm not advocating it. But adversity, as you said,
does bring about it. It allows character to come through.

(18:32):
And my all, my boys have shown great. They're used
to it now. It's me seven years, but they It
was difficult at first for them, for sure, especially for
the old one who knew more, you know, but you know,
just make your your I can only do my bit,
and my bit is like just give them what they need.
Be super present, go to every sort of thing, every training,

(18:54):
every football, every basketball, every flag, football, soccer, just everything,
and film it all and try and send them notes
with advice. But they don't want my advice.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, man, how do you look? We are obviously, Gavin.
It's really cool to hear about the tour, the Greatest
Hits Tour of the new album. You all are starting
this summer on the tour and we didn't expect to
have this kind of a little therapy session with you now.
But you have actually said a few things that just

(19:26):
jumped out at me and that you just went right into.
And I will get to a certain degree ask you
for some personal advice. But I think a lot of
people who are listening to you are dealing with what
you dealt with. Meaning you said that you said I
didn't want to let them down. You let them down
because the relationship didn't work out. You don't want to

(19:46):
be divorced, you don't want that house to be split up.
But for whatever reason that came about, how do you
then deal with moving forward? Like you might be in
a healthier or better place, you might be a better
dad even than you were in the marriage, But how
do you find a way to reconcile that or have

(20:06):
you even when you're you're you're balancing letting them down
with what might be best for you or your health
or your future. How do you balance that with the
kids to and even get to a place where they
might be healthy and happy or even healthier and happier
now because of what all of you, the whole family's

(20:27):
gone through.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, I mean it's a great question, you know, as
was everything I think that when things seem so momentous
and mountainlike and just exhaustingly massive in a terrain and
you're like, oh my god, how do we navigate this?
And it really is that that one day at a time,

(20:52):
that one step at a time, and it's that I
find that the presence is the most important thing. You know,
kids spell love t I M you know, and it
really is about no delegation, not really about other people
coming in. It's about as much presence as you can
give your kids, because I think that's the most powerful

(21:15):
gift because when we think about it, we're all so
wrapped up in our lives. Work, there's pressures of work,
different things. You try and maintain friendships, relationships, love friendships,
love relationships, whatever, but it's just so difficult because everyone's
so scattered and fragmented, and it's really easy to just
set your kids up with a there's your iPad, you'll

(21:38):
be fine, I'm gonna go over here, I'm going to
make a phone call. Now you're are you a cool?
And really nothing can replace that time together. Now, kids
don't always want their time together, And for me, they
what they want from me, what they want from me
is to be in the house like an anchor, a
bui a buie in the center of the ocean. They
can like run off and do things. Because when they

(21:59):
come home and I haven't seen for a week, I'm
at the door like, yeah, they come and they give
me a big hugg and then they will just be
like rats and shift they go, they go away, and
I'm like, okay, Seron's back. Is anybody hungry? I'm standing
at bottom of the stairs. Everyone's talking to me around
corners of their rooms and so but that giving and

(22:20):
that presence, like I don't really work. I work much
harder when they're not with me, and I work in
the days when they're at school, so I try and
get stuff done. So when they're around, I really am around.
And I'm really like, does anybody want to throw a ball?
Because we have a deal if they haven't got homework,
if they've ever wanted to throw out their lives, do anything.
I'm an art jock, right, So you guys love running.

(22:43):
I love running as well, but I like doing it
following a ball because I'm a dog. So it's like
I'm happy like Rover when you throw me a ball,
and I just like to be around, you know, so
that we have a deal that I will do any
any physical ball throwing, anything they want, working out, anything,
I'll do unless there's a you know, they're meant to
go to school or something. So there's always like I'm

(23:05):
always waiting to be you know. But now they've really
got into music. So we we spoke about that a
bit earlier before came on air. I didn't it wasn't
my idea. I have lots of guitars over so they've
now the ten year old's been taking piano lessons like
two months. He's really good, Like he plays the little
Mozart pieces. He knows about four things and he plays

(23:28):
them really well. And so now what happens. I'm sitting
in my studio and they come home from school and
I'm literally playing in my studio but think something out
and the little one comes in. He starts playing piano.
So I'm like, I put the guitar down. He's playing.
He plays for a bit and he's like, okay, I'm
gonna go and get something to eat. I said, okay,
So I go back to the other one comes in
deck and I just bought that guitar leader and gets

(23:50):
a slide out, someone trying to slide out. So I'm
just like, I'm gonna go downstairs and make dinner, Okay. Presence.
Presence is the key, you know. I would think it
seems to work for me because they just feel so solid,
you know. They just like my ten year old still
he still lives with me. We still share the bedroom.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well some people say they shouldn't do that, but up
until the about eleven or twelve, they've always like everyone's
just like it just hangs out. It feels more like
wolf like, it feels like a pack and so I
love that. It's great.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I TJ was laughing too, because he knows I have
my seventeen year old still living with me, and so yes,
it's like I have to like go to her room. She'll,
you know, peek her head out. I'm like begging her
to spend time with me. You know.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
It's just it's very funny, but they want to know
you're there. That is true. I love that. So what
do you do when you go back out on tour
like you do?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like, how do you have to adjust your life and
how do you kind of take on such a project
like that? How many you're gonna be gone for three months.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, but it's through the summer. So they'll come out
and see me a week into it when I go
to up being Salt Lake. So they fly two hours
to Utah and they come for two weeks on the bus.
And so they love that and they live that life.
They eat cheeseburgers. It's all room service and messing around
and watching some of the shows and helping. So it

(25:15):
is really hard, but you know it's really simple. I
say to them, you know, when you stop liking sushi,
I can don't have to go on tour so much.
You know what I mean, You figure it out. You
figure it out. There is a balance, you know. You
guys got to figure this out. I go on tour.
So we have this beautiful life. And as a father,
same as a mother, we have to show them their

(25:36):
values and working hard. I mean, I'm proud. My dad
was a real workaholic. He worked real hard, and I
was always like just amazed by him, just as his
like dedication. And I used to funny, we used to
live in a little house and I'd be like, Dad,

(25:57):
do you ever think about this wall. There's like a
small wall of about outside his front door. So those
little kind of townhousy things like things in England. But
it isn't amazing. This is your this is your war.
Isn't that exciting? Sounds so exciting, that's your These are
your bricks and so now I kind of have that
with a house I live in. You know, I know
that it's like it's all music. I look around and

(26:18):
it's music. This music that gets me everything I got.
So they it's important they understand that that we have
this ridiculous life and it's got to come from somewhere.
Oh dad, why are you going on tour again? What
are you talking about? What do you? What do you?
What do you? There are reasons you got to figure
it out. That's all right, and I love it, you
know it's it's also you can't get lost in having kids.

(26:41):
I think it's good too. Some people have vocation that
is to have kids and you know, wonderful. Predominantly mothers
are a bit like that. I think. You know, some
mothers are so maternal. The other mothers are worker, you know,
work people who had kids. It's a big, big difference.
Don't want to stay at home, set everything up so
that the it's not that the kids aren't looked after,

(27:02):
but they're not with a mum. So it's like you,
I didn't you know, I'm a dude, so of course
I just was like, yeah, but of course we can
have kids. I can't wait either. Yeah, fantastic. I was
just agreeing. The only answer I was agreed was agreeing,
because it's like natural process of life and they're the
greatest things ever. But it's good for them to know

(27:22):
that that there is sacrifice and you've got to put
that that time in and it's just not easy, you know.
And so when I'm on tour, it's difficult. I spend
the days sometimes specifically like secondary tertiary markets because I'm
a bit bougie. So when I'm in New York, I
can be like, oh god, I'm going to go to
you know, Chipriani or something like that for lunch. But

(27:44):
you know, when you're in like you know, Fremont, Ohio,
You're like, I really miss my kids. It's really bad
North Dakota walking around looking looking for an eyehop.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
I was like looking for a cracker barrel.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Applebee's is a step up. Thank god, they're blooming onion.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So but then then I go then a night. Then
I go on stage and there's a roar of the crowd.
I'm this is what I love. You know, I love
my life. And at four am I got to bed
and I wake up at eleven, I go, oh my god,
my life. Where's my kids?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Like?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Cool? The kids? Where are you? What are you doing?
They're like, Dad, I'm in math class. Leave me alone.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
But in your private moments, how do you balance that that?
You know that they have a life that most kids
in this country cannot even imagine. Right, But then you
lost so much, right, so many of those kids that
don't have what your kids have, well, their parents were
at that game, their parents were at this event. Their
parents were like, how in your private moments on your

(28:45):
own looking at them, and how do you reconcile.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I go to a lot of events where there's the
you know, the the other team, so to speak, and
I just know that I just feel really proud of
myself in my consistency as a father. I know in
my heart that's awesome that I'm super consistent. You know. Yeah,
of course, like everyone, I'm flawed as hell, and things

(29:13):
didn't go as perfect as I would have liked. But
I know that, you know, some people will be a
parent who will live and regret and consider that actually
they could have done a way better job. Like I, Yeah,
on my touring levels, it doesn't look good on paper
when I've been away for months at a time. It's
worst when I go to Europe because then you are gone,

(29:35):
they can't see you. So six weeks is like the
longest ever. And there's a terrible feeling of that. But
I know that, you know, there's an intrinsic bond that's
so strong and so present that I have a lot
of pride with that. Like I'm not it's unwavering, there's
nothing that can I'm not vulnerable with. You didn't spend
any time with your kids, or you'd shows like I've

(29:57):
never I've never been on a vacation without my kids
seventeen years. I've never had a vacation about now. I
forgot divorced. I should have had lots of vacations with
lots of new friends, and I didn't because I wouldn't
do that, you know, as I felt really weird about that.
So everything's about them for me, you know, And so
I know that and they feel.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
That that's beautifully said, and you're sitting in front of
two people who deal with that, and again I'm asking
so many questions, like I should be paying you, like.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
We're actually getting advice from you.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, we are, We dealt We deal with that a lot.
For people who've had the careers we've had, the guilt
is often there for being gone.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Absolutely, and then also to have it all be in
the public eye. So everything you do, everything you don't do,
everything you say gets picked up. I mean I was looking,
Uh it was it was everywhere. A year ago, you
just talked about what it's like to co parent or
to not co parent with your ex. We obviously are
living in all of these same worlds as you. However,
when you say something, it then gets picked up by.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Everyone which done co parent whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Yeah, you said you don't co parent? You said parent?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Were you? Are you surprised?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
And how do your kids handle when you just say
something and you're being honest and and it's something that's
so many of us can relate to.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
The My situation particularly was it's mindful of I think
in a very contentious, hugely emotional, flared up situation with
a very difficult situation. You less said, sooner's mended, and
I said nothing. I just it's not it's not my

(31:30):
place to say anything because I also can't. I'm handcuffed
because I would never want to overly say anything negative
about their mom or stuff like that. It's not right.
So I just don't. I just had to kind of
just take it and just be present for my kids
and just like be English and just like hold your

(31:51):
head up and just keep walking and just try and
be just just has it gone away yet? Not yet yet?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah? It takes so long for it to go away, right,
that's still so shocking.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Why doesn't it just go away quicker?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
And it seemed a very yeah. Yeah, So I think
like everything just everything balances out and people make their
you know, I was obviously think coming on here, and
all I could think of was the the kind of
the narrative drone. I wanted to write a song so
bad called narrative Drones because I think it's so interesting

(32:29):
that people are much more interested in the in the
narrative than the truth, and the truth has no doesn't
it's not interesting or fun or any of that. So
the narrative was that narrative drones.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Where are you on that song.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's really upbeat and it's not eight m okay two qualities.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
There was a lot of narratives and a lot of drones.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
I like the idea.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Phrase that just live with me. If it's it's it's
it's percolating in my brain. So you know, it just
comes down to it. You know, it comes down to,
I think, something to do with how you want to
see yourself in five years, in your relationship with your kids,
and who do you want to be like they have No,
they're not gonna come to me and say why you

(33:20):
shouldn't have said this? Why you know, there's nothing it
was not get into it was not drawn into it.
So so that I could maintained a really crisp, clear
vibe with my boys and take it from there and
just you know, life is complicated and and you know,
when you've been around as long as we have it

(33:41):
just the complications arise. That's it. It's that simple. You know, Well,
had like a life expectancy of thirty two in medieval
times would have been like left mints, it a goodbye perfection.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
DJ likes to.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Tell people when he's talking, he's like if anyone here
is over the age of thirty five, you'll know exactly
what I mean, because it kind of takes you to
get to that place in your life where you realize, Wow,
maybe I shouldn't be so righteous, Maybe I shouldn't be
judging people, because actually, you don't know what you would
do given the circumstances other people are in until you
find yourself in it.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, where do you What is it like being a
rock star in his twenties versus a rock star in
his fifties, Like it.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Was so exciting to begin with. It still is super exciting,
I don't get me wrong. The weirdest thing was I
took a long time to get going, will long time
to find success, and so people would say, like, how's
it feel? And it really felt like finally I could
be myself, Like I knew that I was meant to.
I had some not up in the upper echlongs maybe,

(34:58):
but like I knew that I deserved somewhere in the
landscape of music. It's like I have something to contribute.
And so that just felt like, oh, funny, this is great,
this how it should have been. It's just exciting and
and now I don't it feels weird saying that even
though I'm trying to try. I'm trying to work on
a I've got a TV show that I'm working on,

(35:19):
and the backers wanted to use the name rock star
in it. I was like, oh no, no, wait, wait
wait wait WHOA. I'm English, we can't I can't say
use the word rock star. You can say rock star
about me, but I can't say that. That's just in England.
This is not It's just too much. Really, why is
that just because we're like weird like that, which is
not allowed to say. You can't say anything. You get

(35:40):
stepped on if you move out of line. You're too loud, obnoxious,
too confident.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
There's no such thing as a humble brag.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
No, it's just anyway. So actually, but like I turned
into Kitchen Rockstar Kitchen Chronicles because I was trying to
dilute they use the word rockstar. But so I think
I myself as a working musician more than I you know,
I think that's so it's beautiful. I think of Van Morrison.
Do you know someone who has made records forever and
he does his thing in his own, his own vibe,
and he's just an example. I don't know why, but

(36:11):
he's an example. So he's like a is he a
rock star? Is a working musician? He's just like a
brilliant working musician. To me, I think maybe a rock
star feels like you know, but it's Mick Jagger. He's
probably a rock star. Right, you're a rock star.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Talk about you're a rock star.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Well, we talked about nuances of language where we're at.
But I feel really so happy to be in a
creative endeavor. I love the Japanese culture, that thing of
you you you dedicate yourself to, Like how do I'm
going to make the best handfuled noodles that there are?

(36:48):
You know someone does that and you're like wow. So
I decided to take rock music for whatever reason. And
it's not the only music I like, like you, although
unlike you, I also like idim, there's there's maybe some
is a music I like, But basically it's good and
music and bad music, right, so people get it right,
that's it's as good or bad. I just so thrilled

(37:08):
to have a creative life where I do feel that
I'm still like confused by music. I still take guitar lessons.
I still have seen lessons. At the moment, I've got
a couple of things I'm working on. So it's you know,
because you have to work at your craft. You can't
just assume that, like I do not know as much
as I need to know. You know, if I look

(37:29):
at the Beatles, or I look at Bowie or look
at Mozart, it's the same twelve notes, but look what
they did with them. So it's like, wow, there's so
much ceiling. I got a long way to go. You know,
if you think of it like that, you just could
keep going forever and you can keep getting more interesting
and finding ways to do. You know, my job is

(37:51):
to take chaos or pain because I like that vocation
in my life, my metier, and I like human struggle
and find a way to put it into words. So
chaos into into music. You know, it's turning chaos into music.
And when that's why people relate to your music, I hope.

(38:12):
I think, you know, someone connects to a song of
mine or a song of Amy Winehouse or Billie Eilish,
they've written, we've written. You write a word that resonate
for people and those and you don't own the song.
If I write a song and I put it out
and you guys run in your you know, in the
mornings to it. That's your song. It ceases to be

(38:34):
my song. It's yours you Stevie, wonder you got me.
It's like you feel that in your and you. That's
why people get so personal about music, you know. And
that's my favorite sort of consequence of my life that
I chose, is like figuring out how to write these
things and back to the thing of the shame, but
it's it's it's to find not just the shame. The

(38:57):
deep emotions are about being as personal as you can
and away from everyone as you can, because that's when
people relate to you the most, because it's the deeper
you go, that's where you get people as opposed to
sort of you know, around the peripheries, you know, simple staff,
basic of things that they're not going to get you
as much as someone that's just like And it doesn't

(39:19):
matter matter that whether specific words, it's just when you
write a phrase as an author, whether it's on any
level with the paint brush or with the words, if
if it comes from if the genesis of the thought
is like an authentic emotion, it will translate it does

(39:41):
like I've done it for a long time. I swear
it does. It's like when you just sat like the
most self revelatory, the most vulnerable, the most open, that's
when people are the most interested. Because it's unusual for
people to say that. That's why the people take those
lyrics to heart. And that's why you can never say
songs about anything, because they're about the listener. It's not

(40:01):
about the writer. It's about the listener is the one
who dictates what it's about.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Wow, he knows that still well, because he's a rug
star is.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Working musician, working musician.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
It's I mean music, writing music, being a lyricist.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
That sounds like that's been your therapy in life. And
you can't not be honest if you want to be
successful as you're in order to go.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
It doesn't ring true. And then the thing is, if
you think about it, by not being honest, it's outside
that sort of that well of vulnerability and truth, and
so it doesn't ring right because it's not there yet.
People haven't you know. If you think of acting, you
know as acting putting on a mask or taking off
a mask, it's taking off a mask really, And the

(40:47):
same with writing. Same with authors, the same with painters,
the same with photographers. Is when they get the essence
of something that you you go wow and you just
feel it. So photographer, for example, can find it a
compelling image that works for him, and everything is light form,
everything is working. But then when you see it, it
evokes something different for you, and that's even more valid

(41:10):
than the artist.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Really, how would you describe where you are in your
life right now?

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Are you happy? Are you joyful? Are you struggling?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Like? How would you describe where you are right now
in your life?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Actively working on appreciating how happy I should be?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I need a second with that, okay, actively.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Actively working on how happy I should be? And meaning
that there's that we have such great ways of sabotaging
our headspaces. We're really good at it. There's no one like.
I even been to shrinks where they tell me that
I have a punitive super ego? Is my psycho? Find

(41:56):
them title? Get ready, folks, We're going down deep. We're
going down, going down right into my lungs.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Are you still with this therapist?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
No? No, no, okay, I said to her, I'd need a
break because I was just I was droning myself out
of like I was just I was just doing myself
in and I was getting to the point where I
spent two hours. I had two hour sessions with this
woman for a while, and I spent an hour forty
telling her why I didn't need therapy every time every

(42:28):
week killed a poor thing.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Okay, so where's okay? What's your opinion about it now?
You you still okay?

Speaker 3 (42:36):
No, my opinion about it now is that it's a constant.
It's a constant, not a struggle, because that gives to
it not right word. It's a It's an act. I
actively make sure that I separate things correctly. So what

(42:56):
I mean by that is if you let anxiety or
fear or things that worry the most in the middle
of the night, if you let them dictate throughout your day,
you get the it just gets worse and worse worse.
And so we all have different anxieties. Now you're talking

(43:17):
about public speaking, you know, you could have an anxiety
that if I'm gonna get up here, I'm just gonna
have Tourett's and I'm gonna lose my mind. I'm gonna
feet my point. I'm not gonna be as funny as
I was last night when I practiced my speech. And
you can be filled with all the whole world of doubt.
But when you're getting get up there, generally speaking, because
you're a professional and you're really good at your job,
you're going to be fine. But as an example, if

(43:38):
you were to let that anxiety run so heavily that
it really did actually impact your performance, then that's when
you haven't found that balance. And that balance is that
that's the thing of of just maturity, self reckoning, self awareness,
and just to just digging deep and being honest with
your self about things. And so I'm I'm feeling really

(44:03):
I feel great because my kids are doing great and
and I'm in I'm in a in a really good space.
And but sometimes I would tell myself the space is
better than I was realizing, because there are times when
I get a bit down on myself about things because

(44:23):
I have a punitive super ego, so I'm always punishing
myself best first.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
When are those times? How often does that happen?

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Well a lot. So I have to just I have
to just my my favorite thing is, uh, this is wonderful, Maharaj,
this great, And I just put it in a song
as I you know, I'm I'm a magpie. You know,
I'll read something and it goes into a song because
it's I think it's worth sharing, and it's I love
this Maharaj idea. You know, I'm not my mind. My

(44:52):
problem is the problem is my mind. But I am
not my mind. And so you just it's this this
thing of separation. Goo is a guru is so it's
it's like you separate yourself. I'm not my mind. That's
my mind's problem. Why am I deciding to sit with
my mind and tell them, you know, just because my
mind is all worried about it. Let it be worried
over there. I'm busy going over here. And it's so

(45:13):
it's really really essential. And the other most powerful superpower
that I have that I happen to share with you
is just to not take things personally. If you cannot
take things personally, I mean, for instance, with any kind
of it's so difficult for all of us, for both
of our entities. You know so much publicly, and you

(45:34):
take everything personally, like everything you like walking around like
I have no skin left, where's my skin? I have
no skin? And the truth is that if you don't
think take things personally, and you just see you know,
it's a juicy thing if things happen like that, I
was juicy. You were juicy as juicy fodder that people
chew it up. And then while we're still like floundering going,

(45:54):
you know, it helped me. I'm bleeding. They're off worried
about something else. They give you four minutes of their
time that they don't remember it's over, and so the
crux of it is not taking stuff personally. It's just
it's amazing you can float through life because worried about
other people just drags you down.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
You know, I love it. I love It's so great.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
No, but we've been we're laughing because we've been going
to like I'm going to observe why I'm reacting that way.
But I am not my I am not my mind.
We've said the same thing, and I love totally right,
oh totally, so we we You were speaking to us
everything we've been living through, and I love the whole
let them theory, like let them you know, I can't
control them, I can't decide or tell them what to do.

(46:36):
And when you just have that let them theory, it's
it's been really peaceful and great. I was reading up
on you. You've you've been single. I even read you
were on dating apps for a while, but now you

(46:58):
actually a few weeks ago made something private Instagram official.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah I see. Well,
I was like, yeah, I got called out at one
point for being on right. It's like, that's the whole
idea is meant to be private. Why do I get
called out? I've seen loads of famous people on there.
I never would say anything. It's so brilliant. I was like, great,
it's just literally can't get away there.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
And it's a dating app for celebrities, right, for people
who are yeah yeah and.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
You see yeah, and you do see a lot of
I'm like, whoa much in the way that you know,
I'm sure if bipops out there, people like whoa this dude?
So yeah, I mean that's just the way it was.
I was like, I was like, I got to check
that one out, and it was it was really fun
to check out. It didn't I did. I had made
a couple of really nice friends off of there. But

(47:45):
outside of that, it's more sort of it's aspirational. You
sort of starting morning going, oh this would be great.
I used to do it with Vogue magazine. My best
friend of me. We used to play a game where
we drop open Vogue magazine and wherever it opened, that
would be be like, sorry, I'd be late for dinner.
I won't be home. There's some beautiful girl.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
We'd be like so stupid, like eighteen years old, unable
to meet anyone that just like we would be like
make jokes about that. So it's a little bit of that.
So but yes, so.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
So you're off the market now though.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah, yeah, I have a girlfriend right now. Congratulations, it's
really it's it's fun.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
She's with me in New York and you didn't want
to bring her into that. Where is she?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
She's with her, She having lunch with her some friends.
She calls her gay bestie, Like I'm worried him because
we were not gay. It's real good. I'm not that insecure.
I'm insecure about loads of things. But it's okay, it's okay.
Well you know what I mean. It's like, it's a
beautiful world. If that was the case, then go have

(48:48):
at it. Like people should be free. You know, I
ain't got time for anyone. Isn't free? You know, so
going a few months, I'm going to get in trouble
for not exact, but a good few months. And I was, yeah,
it was an issue, not an issue, but definitely it
was like.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
He's being very careful, right, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Absolutely, I'm trying to choose my worst carefully. Which was
it was suggested that we that it was you know,
because I'm a scorpio, I'm really private, so I like
a private life. I was like, look, this is so
nice to have something private. It's not private. No, no,
it's not private. Okay, it's not private. So I was
okay with that, and I understand because it does. It

(49:34):
can come across if you say that too often, it
can come across like you're being a bit I just
see it from her point of view.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yes, like maybe maybe it's okay that I'm out in
the open and we're out in the open and people
know we're together. Yeah, it really does kind of put
that official stamp on it.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just it's it's it was.
It's been really cute to let people know that, and
just she's very sweet and very supportive. So it's been
really good and it's I guess that's the my new
my new status. You know, what are you going to do?

(50:10):
I'm not on those sites, not that side.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Wait, but did you all meet on the app?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Okay? I met through I met through her brother in law.
She's a musician, so I heard a track, so I
did do the kind of oh well, the kind of
DM slide. I really like the music. I do like
the music. M slide, Wow, I love it sliding. I
came in like a Kobe Slider.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
How quickly did she respond?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Excuse me?

Speaker 4 (50:39):
How quickly did she respond to your DM?

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Oh? She Oh, she's super cool. She grew up in
the Bronx, so she's like it took a minute, you
know what I mean. There's like it wasn't a meeting.
It was like she left it like left me like okay,
but yeah, it's cool. It's kind of sweet because I
had I didn't know if she had a boyfriend. I
was texting her about music and this and that and

(51:03):
just leaving it of that and then I wasn't looking
to get a girlfriend at that point. But she was
very pretty, so I was like, I was like so
many way your music and stuff like that, but I
didn't Then she went away. Somewhere and then we so
it was it was it was sort of platonic for
a bit. We had a couple of dates before it

(51:23):
was like looked like it was going to be anything
like that personal. So yeah, it's been. It's been organic
and nice and it's fun. You know.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, everyone deserves to be happy. You know, I really
believe that.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Well, yeah, it's it's it's that in a funny way,
it plays into it. I'm relaxing into it because I
didn't know that I could. I could do it all,
be the single dad who's like when they come around,
I'm heroically present for them. It makes it difficult. I'm
not available for a week, you know, Hi am around
for a week. I'm gone for a week, and we're
way around for a week. It's it's quite difficult. And

(51:58):
so just blending that and just being cool with that
and not not forcing that, you know, getting she has
met my children.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, and we know, I mean, like we know, we
get it. It's a dance and you want to you
got to put the kids first and you and you
and it's not something that happens overnight, and it's not
something that is an immediate acceptance, and you have to
respect where they are.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
There was a funny moment. I remember the story. So
when I first was going the DMS and I made
one comment. I made one comment about a she looked
a certain way something she put on that it was
like wow, you know, I was like, oh my god,
that's so amazing. And I think she sent some kind
of like millennium emoji, like a sort of a like that.
And I was like, oh my god, yeah, that's it.

(52:42):
So I I unfollowed, and then I thought I got
it all wrong. I was like, I abandoned her. I
was like, oh my god, she's got a boyfriend. I
said something wrong. I was inappropriate. So I got that.
I got out of Dodge and didn't connect with her
for another two months or.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Something because she sent you an emoji you didn't understand.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, yeah, I just thought I thought I crossed the
line and it wasn't my way. I entered the room
I wasn't invited in, you know. I turned it from
music into sort of something that she looked really great,
and it was this sort of thing like SOT. It's like,
oh my gosh, she's from the Bronx. She's going to
kill me. I was out of there.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I was out, Well, congrats there we had. Can't let
you get out of here. For the fans, folks have
been following you for decades at this point, you are
we talked about therapy and you can go and who
you're talking to, your therapists, who did this and that?
But how much is the music, reconnecting with the band
and getting out there, back out there to perform again.

(53:36):
How much of that is a part of your joy
and your peace and your therapy these days?

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Massive? Massive, because you know, like in a way, being
in a long career is a bit like I liken
it to being on a carousel, Like you always have
to be good, you always have to make records that
are cool. But sometimes it's just not your time, and
sometimes it just the way things go. It just does.
Things don't line up because people underestimate that when you
are success. For when I've had loads of success, the

(54:02):
planners have to align, that the team around you has
to align. There's so many things that factor into being successful.
So inevitably there's sometimes where there are leaner times. And
what's cool about us is that it's so funny because
I was laughing after I got Saince. We divorced. After
my divorce, so I wrote this song album called Black

(54:24):
and White Rainbows, and it was a really bruised record.
I was, you know it'd come out. It was a
very It was not a good time for me, and
I was there was someone that I was I was
just laughing at It's such a brilliant line. There was
someone I was close to at the time, and I'm
really proud of that record. I think there's a really
cool few songs on there. But it was probably a

(54:45):
bit uneven. I was really not in a good space.
It was right after that everything gone on, and she
was off happily with someone, and I was not feeling good.
And so I said to this person I was with,
I said, I think I don't know I was being dramatic.
I have a ten seed to be dramatic. Sometimes my
girlfriend does say it to me. No, I said, I said,

(55:07):
you know what, I don't even know. I'm going to
do another Bush record again, because you know, I don't
know if I can take you. And she goes, oh
my god, you can't. Let that won't be the last
one you do. I was like, oh my god, you
can't say that.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Whoa.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
So I was like, I'm going to make these records.
So I've continued to make records that inspire me and
it's been so fun. And you know, my favorite conundrum
is we've had number one records recently all over the radio,
the last three records, number one records and neverthe like that,
which is really ridiculous because number one is in every

(55:44):
decade for three decades. So we get young people at
the audience, the audience who only know those songs, so
they go, this band is cool, they've got a new single.
There's some new band wherever that and then you go,
here's loaded's thirty years of hits if you want to
hear you know, Sorry, I could be a dad. Your dad.
That's a joke. That's a joke. That's a joke. That's

(56:04):
a joke. I'm English, I'm English, joke. Bobby my publicist niece.
There's a defibrillator. They're not anyhow, But yeah, where was I?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah, Well, just putting out this kind of music for
a whole new uh just generation of people and for
those of us who knew you thirty years ago, were
so excited about getting to listen to all of our favorites.
I mean Grammy nominated, multi platinum band. I mean, just
the fact that you guys are still together is incredible.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Does grunt You're still friends?

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Right? And you're still friends, You're still playing music, you're
still selling out stadiums.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Does grunge exist anymore?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Is that sure?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Did?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I'm not sure? Did? I mean? I think that it
was this thing of from moment. I think it's things
for a moment and it just was of a time.
And it's one of those words that just of you say,
it's so much system mean anything. I don't know what
I just I mean, it's a funny word. It's a
nice word. It's like more fashion oriented that I think

(57:08):
of some bands. But you know, it's a weird. It's
a funny word.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
It's like we are talking to the pioneer of grunge music,
who's telling us that grunge never existed.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
I don't know about that. There's a few before me
doing the grunge thing.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Still you were in that lane.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yes, yeah, you're not sure?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
If I'm not sure, what I mean, I don't know
what to do with my life.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
I mean, I mean, like now the way that that
I approach music and you know, all my music is
sort of detuned and specific approach is more in fact
for it's like heavy metal music with dub bass lines
and then me trying to sort of sing melodically on
the top. It's a it's a hodgepodge of things and

(57:53):
that's what makes it, you know, That's how it goes.
All music is like weird influences coming. It's like a
car crash that you hope is going to come out
or beautiful at the end.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
This has been. This has been. We we anticipated that
this was going to be a blast. We did. Man,
we were finding of prepping all this it.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Would be an amazing conversation.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
And it was. Man, we flew pleasure to have you
here in studio. Folks. Yes, Bush, The tour kicks off
in July. You can get your tickets are on sale now.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Yeah, yeah, they've some have even sold and.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Even so you left, you can still see them Bush
getting back together for a summer big tour and there
and the new single from Gavin Ry still Narrative Drones.
It's gonna be out winning wait for that.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Yeah, it's gonna be very a tonal so single. I
don't anticipate a single.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
It's gonna be a.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Congratulations on the tour, on bringing the band back together,
Congratulations on your personal success, being an awesome dad, finding
love again, all of that, and and thank you for
the therapy session.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Just tell us how much we owe you at the end.
What your hourly rate is gift.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I was happy to see you guys, you know, I
think that, and I think what you guys have been
through and you're doing it is beautiful because I was
very very careful to just stay the head out of
your way and not be any of those people who
would be you know, just I really learned to be like, wow,
there's some people going through stuff, but the overview and

(59:29):
the way you are, the chemistry and the energy of
you guys is inspiring.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
So there you go, and that's how it goes, folks.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Gavin Rosdale, everyone, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Thank you,