February 11, 2025 • 58 mins
Our Love Stories series continues with actors Kevin McHale and Austin McKenzie. You probably know Kevin from his starring role in Glee and Austin is a singer and actor best known for his Broadway performance in Spring Awakening. After 8 years together, this couple has no plans to get married, but say they’ve never been happier. Amy and T.J. talk to the duo about everything from why it took them 6 years to move in together, to why Austin has a separate bedroom, to what makes their relationship keep getting better. This couple blew us away with their openness, their insight and their love for one another. They even said they were more in love after this conversation than before it… and we hope you’re inspired by their story as well!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
In this episode, our Love Stories series continues today a
couple that's been together eight years, but marriage hasn't been
on the table. Well at least it wasn't before they
did this interview with us. And with that, welcome to
this Cuffing season edition.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Rose. When you agree that as we've been going through
this and it's been a blast, some of the couples
like have a little you see a little light bulb
go off, or they start to consider or think about
things in the interview with us that maybe they hadn't
been thinking about.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's been fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It has been fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Look, all of the couples who we've been interviewing are
happy couples. They're all in different stages of their relationships,
but all of them have been tried and tested. I
think it's fair to say. And I love that we
heard from Kevin and Austin saying, Hey, if it ain't broke,
don't fix it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But then I started to see them.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Realize how much they love each other and are committed
to each other through answering the questions we've been asking
all of the couples, and it was cool to see
that that at the end they were happier than they
were at the beginning of the conversation, which is a
good sign as they were talking about their relationship.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, I think we were too after this conversation with them,
and that I'm not being dramatic. After every single conversation
with a couple, it's been encouraging. There's been something that
has been comforting about knowing somebody else is going through
the exact same thing, even though you know it in
your mind that other couples are dealing with it, to
hear them openly talk about it, it's just it's been nice.
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And I think no couple would agree to come on
here with us, would they if they weren't solid, Because
if a couple wasn't solid and we were asking some
of these questions, that they could get nasty.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
It's true, and that's a good point. And you'll notice,
and I'm not saying that celebrity couples aren't good, but
a lot of celebrity couples won't do interviews together for
those reasons. And if you think about it, you don't
see married celebrity couples oftentimes sitting down for an interview,
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and so we feel really honored. Yeah, that we were
able to secure this many amazing celebrity couples to actually
let us ask them anything. There were no rules, No
one said, hey, don't go there, don't ask us about this.
They just trusted us with discussing fully their relationship, the ups,
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the downs, the highs, the lows.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And that's not easy to talk about in a public setting.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
No, I didn't think about it.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I was thinking that some of our couples that we
did later, I said, well, they had the option, they
could cheat because they could go back and listen to
the early ones. Actually, no, most of these we got
recorded and in the can before they started any of
them airing. So none of these couples knew what was
coming at them, and they trusted us to ask whatever.
And they trusted their own relationship enough to know we
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can handle what comes at us.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
That's the bigger point point, right, that they trusted one
another to have each other's backs, because you know, you
can go even talked about this with Austin and Kevin.
You can go and take your relationship even to a
party and come back in a fight because someone said
something that the other person didn't like or wish they
hadn't said.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So imagine doing.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
That recorded for a podcast for anyone to listen to.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Do I have it right?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's trust?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I think I have it right.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Not a single edit has been made to any of
these We let it ride, and not a single couple
has come to us and said, hey, can you pluck
that part out or nothing? Not once, So that's been awesome.
I mean, we talk about Kevin and Austin. You all
know these names. Kevin McHale and Austin McKenzie. Two they
met through their careers. It's fair to say most of
them in entertaining.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yes, they met on the job, which so often happens.
You know, we might have had that same experience. But yes,
Kevin McHale or my daughters love him. They actually were
upset that I didn't tell him in the interview how
much they love him.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
But he, of course is from Glee.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Anyone who loved that show, as my daughters did, knows
he played Artie Abrams and then Austin McKenzie, who had
a lot of a claim from his role in the
Broadway performance of Spring Awakening. He's a singer, he's an actor,
so it's just it's a cool story. They're both in
the business that creates a lot of stress as well,
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but they seem to be handling it with such grace
and getting stronger by the day. So they really did
blow us away with openness. And what we love about
the series is we talk to couples, as we mentioned,
from all different stages of life. But there are in
some our age differences. There is race differences, there are
ethnic differences, there are sexual preference differences, and yet there's
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something relatable about all of them to our relationship and
I'm hoping to your relationship as well. So please take
a listen to the love story of Kevin McHale and
Austin McKenzie. Kevin and Austin join us now. Thank you
both for being with us. How you doing pretty good?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Thank you for having us?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well? You look adorable to together? Uh you do? You
just look so sweet? I love it. I love love.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So we start off by asking everyone the same first question,
each of you, if you would give us three words
to describe your relationship right now.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Kevin will start with you, Oh, right.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Now, Okay, exciting, communicative, Wow, settled in a good way
like that or he settles for me? But like we're content.
Maybe I'm living to change the content the truth comes out.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Yeah, I would say, uh, funny, honest, and.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
I don't know. I think it's sexual, Like yeah, yeah, sexual,
you know what?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And a ho tell you all and all the conversation
we've had with couples, you all hit about three or
even four words that we've heard for the first time. Yeah,
and what you all said, so that is that's kind
of cool.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Next question here, though, when you all first met, was
their immediate chemistry.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
No, I would.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Actually say yes, but not, but not at all the
way we have chemistry now, okay, fair like we both
both definitely we both definitely saw something and had a
goal in mind when we first met.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
I think the goals were different. The goals were very different.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Do explain.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
We met when we worked together. We filmed this mini
series nine eight and a half years ago, almost nine
years ago, and all of my scenes were with Austin
and so I came into it being like, who is
my scene partner? He's the lead of the show. Tried
to do some recon about him and heard that he
didn't come off as the friendliest person.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
I am. Let me just preface, I am I just.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Didn't come yes, okay, that's why I put that in.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
I didn't come off me either.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
No, just a little cold, cold, little cold.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I get that a lot too often.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
It's okay, okay, okay, introspective, you know it's not okay.
I can get along, like I'll adapt to any situation,
and I'm like, I'm not going to be in this
in every scene with this guy and he's not going
to not like me or like we're not going to
have a good report. So my goal going into it
was to sort of puzzle piece figure out what was
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going on with him so we could at least have
some even if it was light friendship, so this experience
could be enjoyable. And then immediately I saw the hesitance,
coldness maybe, and I was like, oh, challenge, okay, challenge accepted.
I'm going to figure you out, and and I sort
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of did. I just there wasn't any ulterior motives in
terms of like I want to be with him or
I want to hook up with him. It wasn't like that.
It was simply started from how can we make this
working relationship really good? Into maybe we should be friends,
maybe we need each other as friends and that's how.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Yeah, we had.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
We had very different goals there because I saw I
remember seeing you and thinking, well, because at the time
I was, I was the early twenties. I was a
total mess and you know, like like we all were,
and think for yourself, that's true. Actually you were fine.
And I saw him and my first thought was next,
(08:27):
there's another one. I found one, and so I just
you know, what is it? Hook hook and sink. Isn't
that what it's It's not a hook and sinker.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Hook and sink, hook line and sinker hook on.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
Yes, like easy catch and then we'll be done. It'll
be great.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
That's I saw you saw it as like a you know,
a friendship, friendship, and I saw it as a temporary
uh huh.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
It would be amazing though, if I had a radar
at some point in my life to know when people
thought of me in that way, because the amount of
time I've just been to be like, no, they're not
into me, now this is I would have been great
to know.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
Yeah, a little.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Late, eventually it worked out, so you played the long
game without even realizing you were.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Who said I love you first?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Who said I love you first? Austin did, which is
funny because yeah, I mean we started. I feel like
our roles in our in this relationship have have like
over the years changed a lot like he used to.
I don't know, just like the fact that I came
into it being like thinking it was just going to
be a hookup of fun show mance and then I
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ended up saying I love you.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
First tricked you?
Speaker 7 (09:36):
You did?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, Kevin, you've playing worked dell us here we ask
everybody this, what is the age difference? You've kind of
alluded to it, but what is the age difference? And
it has it had an impact at all on your
relationship one way or another?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Massive? It's a huge age difference.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
How dare you?
Speaker 7 (09:55):
I had to change the stuper before okay.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Depends it is almost five years or not a little
over five years? Yeah, five years ish.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
He's my senior.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
And I would say, like the any sort of differences
it has caused this like in social references and like
stories like oh yeah, when I was growing up, it
really makes me feel elderly. Oh, like like when you
don't understand their Robbie Williams Robbie. That movie Better Man
came out this year and he was asking me about
Robbie Williams. Was like, I grew up obsessed with Robbi
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Williams and he didn't know.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Oh, you know what.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I interviewed him when he came out that I love him.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
It was the biggest deal.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I felt so special getting to know him and hearing
his story and what it took for him to come out.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
That's so cool. He's one of my favorites.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think there's ever been known.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I mean in the beginning, like in the beginning when
I was a mess, when I was in my you know,
early mid twenties, total mess. He was not norm Have
you ever really been a mess? I mean that that
was like a I guess a big difference. I was
going through a lot that you'd already learned or experienced.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
You were going through a lot of personal things that
I had never experienced or witnessed, and so it was
like a even though we are different places sort of
in our lives, I was learning. I learned. I feel
like I've learned so much about like the human condition
through Austin and like think personal things he's overcome in
his past and things, which has been pretty remarkable you
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also had like just finished your party phase, I feel like,
and mine was had just ended, so it was a
different time.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
You know, I personally don't think the party phase should
ever end. There shouldlways be an element up it.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Right think I had mine recently, Like I feel like
I just came out of my part like your party phase.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I feel like I didn't party in college or high
school or anything, but I feel like we've both sort
of gotten back into it in a way.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
It's like the hell you know, when you're younger and
you like going to party all the time and there's
no limit on it, and then now I feel like
there's the conscious decisions like do I need to do
that this weekend?
Speaker 7 (12:06):
That might also be.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
That might also be a gay culture thing, I feel like,
because I feel like a lot of gay culture is
centered around partying, so it does come in ways maybe.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
True, I know, yeah, I mean we party together.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
We continued our party phase with each other, like not
going out to hook up or whatever that other people
go do, but you go out to enjoy it together,
which is kind of a fun new party phase, an
old person's party phase.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I think that's sort of I think that's sort of
where we are as well.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, I call it a mature party phase. But whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Wait, so the next question we ask everybody, but I'll
figure out how you guys want to handle this is
we ask people, because everyone has been married so far,
how long did you date before you got engaged?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
How long were you engaged before you got married? So
how long have you all been together? And what are
your plans for the future.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
We've been together a little over eight years and I
was visiting a really good friend of mine this past
weekend in Colorado and her and her husband had have
been together two months shorter than we have, and they
have two kids. They have like multi homes, and I'm
sitting there watching with their kids, like what are we doing?
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It feels like we are living such different lives and
we've technically been together a little longer, which feels so silly,
And I think it's like breaking down that the like
my friend wanted to have kids, and they both wanted
to have kids and wanted to get married, and so
they're fulilling that checklist. I don't think we've ever really
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had sort of that checklist. For me, it's like if
it's good, yeah, like I'm really it's I'm really happy
with this right now and it's working how it is.
So if I wake up to morrow we should get married.
How do you feel about that? Then maybe that's a discussion.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
One of our strong strongest suits in this relationship is
just going with the flow of it.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
We didn't how long was it telling.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
We've five years, eight years.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
And and like the way that that came about was
one day I made a joke about moving in and
he joked back about it, and then we just kept
joking about it, and then it became more serious, and
then one day I was like, wait, am I moving in?
And then I moved in, and it something like we
never even really thought we would move in together. I
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valued my space so much and so does he, and
that just happened completely organically. And we are talking about
a ceremony of sorts maybe or a ring of sorts maybe,
but like we also have no desire to get married,
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but guess in the traditional scene for some reason, it's
sort of I don't want to say it's heading that way,
but it's like it's going into some world that's yeah,
I don't know, so like we're it's.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Just it's very going has happened. We're like, we're obsessed
with each other and it's been eight year and I'm like,
I just want us to have some jewelry.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I totally get that. I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Your answer is really interesting because so many people think, Okay,
marriage is the next step.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You'll are taking things.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Just as it comes, and it seems to be working
for you, even with something as monumental as moving in together.
It just kind of happened. It almost happens to havece.
So the next question we had for folks, and most
of them been married, why did you want to get married?
And how do you think your relationship would be different
if you were just a couple and not married. So
I'll ask you all in this way, how do you
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all think, I mean, it's working great now? Do you
all worry about what might happen to your relationship or
might change in some way if you put that piece
of paper with its.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
On?
Speaker 7 (15:48):
One hand?
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Do you worried?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
I think that's just because I come from a family
with a ton of divorce and from experiencing that secondhand,
I do worry, And of course I do worry of
like putting press Shawn us. But for the most part,
I mean, I really just look at how we moved
in together and like how.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Easy it was.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
The way we talk about it, or at least the
way I say is it's like living with Kevin is
like living alone but better, like we have our own space. Romantic,
you know, but you know what I mean, Like it's
living alone is easy because there's no one bothering you,
and living with you, I never feel bothered, except for
when you're bothering me, right, I don't know, I don't
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I don't know. I don't know if the answer the
question you go.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I know I have the same concerns, like if it
ain't broke, it's sort of it works really well as
it is right now, and so I think if we're
we don't have the responsibilities of kids or not behold
you know, I think that would be a very different
situation for us if we were coming into this. And
there's something about maybe having marriage or that certificate that
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changed thing that makes something more stable. But like it's
just us where we have some animals, and it feels
like if we can just for me keep it like this,
so it works until like I said before, like we
wake up one day, I feel like I want to
do this, and we both feel like we want to
do it. Then the overwhelming need, like we moved in together.
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It got to the point where like, this makes no
sense that we don't live together. Like you've been at
my house six out of seven days a week through
the pandemic. It works incredibly well, Like just move over
here for the seventh day. And so, you know, I
think it's sort of that same model where like you said,
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it's like trending in a certain direction, and you know,
I guess it works really well right now. So yeah, yeah,
I'm scared to mess with the balance.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
There is also I feel like for me, there is
also a little bit of like, because of the political climate,
there is a bit of like should we get married.
Not that there's like just in case can not that
there's like a huge, massive, real threat that it's getting away,
but there is it is a hossibility that marriage equality
will get taken away. So there have been times where
I'm like, should we just do it before.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Before we can?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Well, yeah, I hadn't even thought about that, but that
does make total sense. And there are certain rights afforded
to you if you're married and certain rights that are.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Not exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
You've made a commitment to one another, correct, I mean,
do you? I mean, what is your relationship commitment level?
Like have you articulated it? We haven't asked anyone else
that because they've been married. So I'm just curious if
you're not married, and what has been said between the
two of you.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Good question.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I actually don't know if we've ever really talked about
like what our commitment looks like, because I don't it's
not commitment in the same way of like marriage.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
But I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Know from my perspective, this is only my second relationship
ever I am it's my first. Yeah, I don't know why.
To me, it feels like when you are in a relationship,
it's really important to me that we maintain our independence,
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Like you are your own person. This is your life first,
and I want you to be with me as long
as that feels like it's serving you in a positive way. Still, So,
like I think, to me, it seems like a really huge,
sometimes unachievable goal that people can be together for their
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entire lives. I think, to me, that's like a crazy
amount of pressure to put on a relationship where if
you take that away. There's I feel like when there's
no pressure, there's so much you can explore and be spontaneous.
Maybe it's the same thing I've never been married.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
It's I think the level comment I've talked about, at
least with you, is like check in with yourself as
often as possible and be present in it, because I
it's hard for me to like plan the future, but
I don't know how I'm gonna feel about you in
a week. I just know right now it feels really good,
and I'm going to be honest with you every single
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day about how I feel in the relationship, and so
it's I think it's my commitment is just to be
completely communicative about where I am and to make sure
that he feels like he can be the exact same
way with me, because I wouldn't want him to. You know,
if he meets somebody out at a coffee shop all
of a sudden, it's like I just fell in love
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at first sight. Sure, break my heart, but I don't
want to hold you back from living your life. I
always figure it out.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Wow, I don't think that that would ever come out
of my mouth.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
At a coffee shop. It's in theory, you know, is good.
No would be that cool about it.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Think of it this very a very very similar way.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Like I I think that if you are truly, deeply,
madly in love with someone, your number one goal with
them is for them to be as happy as possible.
And if Kevin finds someone that he is happier with,
then I want him to to take that opportunity. I
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want him to be happy. Yeah, I would absolutely suck.
I would be devastated. It would change my entire life.
But like, that's that's what I want for him. I
think maybe another way to word what you're saying is like,
I think we're both committed to being fully present with
each other and being present in the moment. And you know, luckily,
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for the past eight years, every moment has been that
we are.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Deeply in love with each other.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I always go back to too that, Uh, you know,
after a certain amount of years, it became super clear
that Kevin is my person more than I would call
my husband or a boyfriend or a partner.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
He's my person. And so I guess, in a bit
of a marriage.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Way, I see that as a As a I take
that commitment seriously as you know, when things get really hard,
when we argue or you know, whatever comes up, I
am committed to No, this is my person and I'm
gonna we're gonna work through this and get stronger and
better after it, and not and not just thinking, oh,
something came up. This is too serious. Clearly we're not
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He's not my person anymore. It's trusting that, trusting the
best moments, you know, trusting how I feel then when
it's not the best moments.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
That that was one. I'm not kidding you all.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That might be the most insightful answer we've had to
that question.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Hey, I just learned between the no.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But I'm saying both of you all there because people
view it differently. Talk about that was a great answer
the other day about you know what, there's something significant
about standing in front of the people you love and
declaring to them that this is the person you love.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
All that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And then other people have practical reasons for getting married
and what it means legally and all these things. But
you all gave just it was the most romantic and
unromantic answer.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah we're great, but yeah it's cool today we'll see.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What it's an honest answer.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
And I don't know how much you all know about us,
but we both between us, we have four divorces, so
we've both been divorced twice, and.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
We shall not lead with that.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, but we've been contemplating whether or not we should
get married or not, you know, And we haven't moved
in together either, but we spend every single night and
day together, so it's we're at that point now. But
it's cool to hear you say because we've also struggled
with what we call each other.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I like, he's my person. That's a really really cool
way to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Austin, you alluded to this, and we've asked everybody this,
But how often do you have sex?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And has it changed over the years.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Honestly, it only really changes if usually when both of
us are super busy. If just one person is busy,
it doesn't really change it. If we're both super.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Busy, or if.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I've been very open about like mental health that I
struggle with, so like, if I'm going through something, usually
well that'll take a back seat. But other than that, honestly,
I mean, I feel like it's like every other day,
every two days, every year, every other day, every two days.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
It's probably right.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
I mean when I've talked, Yeah, I can. I can
consider that's one of the words I use sexual. I
think that we're both very Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Know, here's what I'll follow up. I don't think we've
asked this follow up before. But is it a matter
of your because you all said it, ah, yeah once
every couple of days, is this something you make sure
you schedule or it naturally happens? Because I will speak
for Robes and I a couple of days go about
you know what, we're not quite right?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
What's been going on with us?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So is that a matter if it just kind of
naturally occurs, organically it happens, or do you all make
a conscious effort to all right, there's been a couple
of days.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Here to prioritize it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, prioritize good work.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I would say a little of both, but mostly of
the time organically. Yeah, because what I've also learned, because
I think we tried to do that a couple of times,
schedule it and that just kills it. Yeah, I can't
handle it, you.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Can handle it?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Now we have to plan this. I'm out.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Yeah, it took it.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
It's like the biggest deflator. I don't I've had this
discussion with other people too, Like I just I don't
know what it is. I wish we could. It would
be a lot easier if we could. I know, you
can just fit it into the schedule and then fit
it in, But no, I I feel scheduling really doesn't
work for me, and I do have to say because
I think it would work for you, And we try
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to do that a little bit. And Austin has been
even very good about adapting in recognizing that it does
not work for me, and so he tries to make
it look organic even though he may be planning on
it in his head.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Well, I get that.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Not to get too into detail, but for gay men
there is preparation involved, and so there does have to
be like a little bit of like planning of like
making sure the feelers are out there and making sure
that like, Okay, I think we're going to get into
this mood now we have.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
I think I think I can speak for both of
us that we both have have How do I say this?
Speaker 6 (26:44):
We both have have played around in the playing field
of sexual experiences with other men, and we're each other's
best sex.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I hope you agree, but yeah, the best sex of
my life.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
So he's the best sex in my life, and so
I want to have sex with him all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Truly, I'm glad we didn't add that to our Can
you imagine if we asked all the couples, Hey, has
your spouse been the best sex of your life?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I know, yeah, that would.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
No no, no, no, no no, I don't want what I was.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
This recently came up with We were we were around
a couple friend of mine last week and they were
very open. Were our whole friend group, for the record,
is very open about talking about these intimate sexual details,
especially like no judgment. We asked questions like straight, gay,
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whatever it is. I don't know why, but that's sort
of like the friend group we've curated I've always had
and this they're straight, they're married, and and it was
the first time they were admitting to each other that
it was like the best they were each other's best
sex they've ever had. And I was like, are you lying?
Are you trying to make the other person feel And
they were going above and beyond to like prove that
(27:59):
they meant to. And I was like, this is great.
It's like, yeah, so like who's next? Who else? Who
was weirdly quiet in the room right now and not
answering this?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Oh no, no, oh no?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
So how you also mentioned this a little bit. Everybody fights?
How often would you say you fight?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And what do you fight? Is there something you fight
the most about?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I'm not a fighter.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know you're not a fighter.
I'm not a fighter. I just I'm very passionate.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I will say this because I'm not really a fighter.
I think that leads to maybe more unintended avoidance of
situations where my objective is to be super overly communicative.
But Austin has been really good, like you mentioned earlier
(28:57):
about like protecting or like the happiness or the happiness
or the relationship at all times when there have been
disagreements where I've been like, ugh, this is I don't
want to talk, this is dumb. Do we even need
to do this, He'll be like, no, we need to.
We really need to figure this out. It's one of
those things like we're not going to bed angry, like,
let's talk through it. And before we were even technically together,
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there were a couple of times where I think, you know,
I didn't know what we were and I was frustrated
and I would pick a fight without realizing it always,
you know, not imagining I was ever someone that would
do that. And he's one of my favorite things about
him is that he's so smart and the way he
could break down. He's like, Okay, so I think what
(29:42):
you're doing right now as like you're picking a fight
because of X, Y and Z, and just like sort
of read me and I can be objective about myself
and I was like, oh, yeah, you're you're right, And
every single time and it's come up and it may be.
I don't think there's one thing that we necessarily disagree
(30:05):
about or fight about, but regardless of what it is,
it's always handled in a similar way where we sort
of have to keep each other in check, keep each
other honest. And he's very good at making sure I
don't just sweep it under the rug or shut it down,
because I'm pretty good at that. And it's taught me
to also think about how I want to approach those
(30:27):
situations beforehand, which has been great because it's great to
be able to like learn things about yourself and have
the person you love the most teach those things, and
it's not a judgmental thing. It's you know, I'm thirty
six and I'm still learning things every time. We do
have an uncomfortable communication, and we respect each other enough
(30:50):
to be able to be honest. Yeah, but like there's
no low blows. You know, we don't like I'm not
trying to just piss you off to like get my
job in. We don't do that. It's like I don't
need to do that. I don't want to make you upset.
But let's be very clear about what we're saying.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Yeah, we're also like.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
So unfiltered with each other that, Uh, I don't think
we have that many fights because we always dress things
in a moment like dude, you're really pissing me off today,
can you please stop?
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Or like why the hell did you say that at
that party?
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Like, well, we'll just like we're super honest and we
know that, like we can say anything in front of
each other and there'll be no judgment.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Kevin, next question here, we asked everybody this. You mentioned
it in your answer there, But it sounds like you
all make a point not to go to bed angry,
do you.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah, as Austin is very good at that. There have
definitely been times where I've wanted to pull the eject
button and I'm like, I'm done with this conversation. Here's
the dovet good night.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I try to me, I'm like, I know the answer
to this, Like how you know? It's like one of
those things you get frustrated or annoyed. I'm like, how
are you not getting this? But that's no reason, you
know now, in this moment of peace, that's no reason too.
If the partner is not getting it, or does not
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feel one hundred percent heard or understood, or doesn't feel
like we're one hundred percent linked and SYNCD in that moment,
then that's my moment as a partner to step up
and be like, Okay, how do we how do we
get there? How do we communicate this? What do we
need to What do you need to hear from me?
(32:41):
What am I not? What do you think I'm not
getting from you? And so he's good at reminding, because
there's been several times in bed where he's like, we're
not going to bed angry.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
I just take I take cliches very seriously. I think
there's a reason that cliches are cliche, Like I've heard
in every wedding ceremony, you know, don't go to bed angry,
and they must say it for a reason.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
It's always stuck with me. So I just take that
very seriously.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's very cool.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I love I love the Why the hell did you
say that at that party? That is such a like
classic you come back from something you've been drinking. Oh
my god, that just that was hilarious.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
To the flip side of that is awesome. It'll be like,
why the hell did I say that at that party?
And I'm like, no, No, it's fine, don't worry. No,
that's cute.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
What do you each love the most about the others?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Really hard, there's a lot.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
I want to guess what you're gonna say about me.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Now, Cam you mentioned earlier you love that he was
so smart. He is and favorite thing.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I think his intelligence.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I was gonna say, can you clarify that? I think
I like books smart you are. You're an idiot, like
right now that you're stupid, but you're so smart. I
think the umbrella is probably his intelligence, which includes his talent,
which I think is super hot. He's so good at
(34:05):
so many things. And like the passion for that is
one of my absolutely favorite things about him. But something
I have found, and I think we both found that
I never even imagine necessarily looking for in a relationship
that has really come to the forefront to maybe be
the number one most important thing is our shared sense
(34:29):
of humor.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah, that's like he can be.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
It's so similar and it's punchy, real and like really quick.
He's so quick. It's infuriating, but I love it well
that he's so quick.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
We're holding back a lot of a banter right now
because we actually say this a lot where we'll be
out in public around friends and maybe there's people that
know us that well, and we'll be in the car
on the way home being like people might think that
we're mad at each other or something because our banter
is so constant. Yeah, people might misinterpret it's like we're funny.
We say, like we're like we're like mentally boxing each other. Yeah,
(35:07):
like we like just like yeah, we're completely that's that's
the word.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Sorry. And I like to be pushed and like that
was a better joke than I got in Like, oh
that was good, Okay, Like I and it's and I
love that it's the same, you know, it's I don't know,
constantly think about if we did not have that, like
(35:33):
how would this work, would it work at all? And
I'm and I honestly think that's probably like the secret
ingredient to all of this is that shared I don't
know if it's a sense of humor or sense of
taste and things like that, because it also applies to
music and all these things.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
But I have to say two things. It's really hard
to me to humor is a huge one. But here
he said that if I'm being totally honest, and I
know I keep talking about it, like the sex that
we have, you're really making me no, I mean like no, well, yes,
it can't be that good. No, But like if we're
(36:12):
just being honest, if we're being if.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
We're being honest in this relationship.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I like, I have a lot of sexual needs and
desires and it's amazing that I'm with someone that can
completely fulfill those.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
So that is a big thing, damn.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
But then also just your groundedness, because I'm so I'm
never on the ground, I'm never on the planet, and
he's he's the one who in a great way balances
me so that way, I'm at least hovering above the ground.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And every time you're trying to run up against it,
I'm like, cut it out.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
This is where we are.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
This is now not this is the most difficult transition
we've had from that question to this next question, because
you all gave such a fun answer to that one,
we have to talk about finance is now how how
do you all it's a big one for couples. How
do you handle finances? Do you have separate accounts, do
you have joint everything together it's half and how do
(37:11):
you all do it?
Speaker 7 (37:12):
I was actually just thinking about this the other day.
I really like how it's it's funny, like we've never even.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Really talked about this logistically, But I think he knows
me so well that he knows to respect.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
My independence in the sense that.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
We're always going to be making our own money, you know,
our own money. And at the same time though, as
far as helping each other out, I mean, when I
need help, he'll help vice versa in the sense of like,
if you you know, we want to we want to
help each other, so why not do it, you know,
financially speaking. But no, I think that he just really
(37:55):
We respect each other's independence financially and have never felt
like there's a need to.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
Join any of that together. Yeah, we never even talked
about it, and that's the way I want it.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Now that you've brought this up, we'll be back in
thirty God, if you ask for a joint bank account
after this.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
You can fight about it tonight, right before you go to.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Bed under that duvet. Sound deep and he'll be fuming.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
How do you guys handle just household stuff? Because this
also causes fights from the dishes, to the laundry to
all of the thing cooking clean everything. How do you
guys handle it? How do you split it up?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Well?
Speaker 6 (38:43):
I well, like I said, I'm another word to say
is like spacey.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
I'm a very spacey person. So I'll have.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Parts of the house or moments in a week where
like everything's very clean, but then two days go by
and I like neglect that I've laundry on the counter,
or like I don't know, cups.
Speaker 7 (39:04):
In the sink or something like that.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
I always get to it eventually, but he doesn't care.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
I don't think the advantage of him of us not
living together for six years was the amount of time
we've spent at each other's respective homes and when you
see I think other people interact with Like we both
had roommates and things like that, where he fully picked
(39:32):
up on the things that bother me and I picked
up the things that bother him just from observation. So
when it came to moving in with one another, he
would automatically start He's like, I know there's dishes in
the sink because he witnessed that. I didn't love when
dishes get left in the sink, and I didn't say anything.
And to me, it's like the fact that you're even
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acknowledging that I know you're paying attention, and that means
a lot, and so I'm not worried about it because
I know you will get to it and you always do.
And so there's a difference between you know, when it's
like college days and you're leaving a pile of bowls
and the sink and the laundries everywhere and gets gross
like it's that's It's never like that with us, and
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I think it's because we've been able to find those
things out from one another beforehand.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
We also have like we have two dogs, we have
a cat. I like we don't have kids. I feel
like we kind of live in like a in some
ways a bit of like a bachelor house where it's
like it's chill, like if there's you know, a couple
of things on the counter, who cares, Like we've.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Never ever thought about it.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
We're both pretty clean, Like.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, we both we don't care about But am I
hearing it right that it sounds like you all divvy
up in terms of you clean your shit, I'll clean mine.
You wash your clothes and dishes, I'll wash my clothes
and dishes.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Yes, it's fully that. It's I think it's sort of
the same as finances, like we take care of ourselves.
We take care of our stuff. Yeah, and there's never
an issue. To be honest, I want like I'll have
a clean your come every two weeks, you know, like
that sort of thing. He's like, we don't need that,
we can do that ourselves. Like no, no, no, no, I
want that. I need that. There's a little deeper clean there. Yeah,
(41:09):
I get to that would take us let me just yeah, never,
that's on me. I want that. So I got that.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
We've never got heads on that think you but who cooks? Uh,
he's never cooked a day.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
I'm not like a huge cook, like I used to
be a pastry chef and so like I do quite
a bit of baking, but like, I'm not a huge cook.
But of the two of us, I am. He doesn't
know where anything. Yeah, he's not a cook. He can
hardly make cereal.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
I'm good at eggs.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
That's true. You make a good French omelet.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
That's literally it. That's it. I love that.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Have you all? Oh goo, you mentioned this? How much
alone time do you all need from one another?
Speaker 7 (41:53):
It's definitely changed a lot because I feel like.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
My alone time is time with my friends, my best friends,
Like I don't I don't need to.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
I'm not your best friend, your best.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
Friend, but I don't have to like be alone alone
from Like I just that being hanging out with my
friends is enough, like to keep the balance of like
not spending all my time with him.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
We were very intentional about when we seriously talked about
moving in with one another, creating a space, because after
a year being together, Austin did say, do you think
we should move in together? And it was a quick no.
I know how much you need your loan space, and
I don't want you to resent me after a couple
of months of living in here and being around me
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all the time, and same for me, like, let's not
force it. So when it did come time to move
in with one another, there's a guest bedroom, and so
to me it was sort of like, why don't you
set up like that's your room. We have our shared
bedroom and all that, but you can set up use
it as your office, use it as your recording studio.
(42:59):
If you want to seep in there some nights just
because you're up late, you're working late, that can be
your space. And I'm not going to take it personally,
that is, that is whatever you want to do in there.
He took it a little too seriously. He still do
not disturb thing from a hotel and puts it on
the handle and locks the door. So that was not
(43:20):
pre negotiated.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's funny, actually, like I really need my space. But
the way that's manifested some really well know. The way
that's manifested is I will fall I'll sleep on the
couch sometimes, which seems like so dramatic, but it's just
like I feel like sleeping somewhere else tonight.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
I'm going to sleep on the cat.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Well, when I met him, he was sleeping on the
couch in his apartment because he prefers sleeping.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
I love the couch, so really, you are just you
are describing t J Helps like I see a couch,
it's his favorite place to sleep.
Speaker 7 (43:53):
Yeah. Yeah, I struggle to get off the couch at
night to.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
Every night He's like, why don't you just leap down
with him? No, I'm not doing this. I'm not playing
this game because I don't want to fall a seat
for forty five minutes and wake up more tired and
then have to go downstairs to the bed. I'm not
playing this game with you. You can stay up here, but
I'm going down.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
I almost pricked them into it last night.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Oh my god, this is a negotiation. We have all
the time too that it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
We look forward to having a double date with you guys.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I would love that Robot and Kevin are going to.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Stay at the table.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Me and you also can go out of having cigarette
and talk about what the hell these two?
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Wow?
Speaker 6 (44:31):
Yeah, okay, wait, you had men a cigarette.
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Couples counseling. Have you all ever done it? In it?
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Now?
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Keep it up? Interested in it?
Speaker 5 (45:20):
What we haven't?
Speaker 7 (45:22):
We haven't.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
I'm not opposed to it, never opposed to it, never
ever opposed to it. I just think that our communication
is so crystal clear and so consistent that not that
that's like what we'll fix everything, but we just have
always squashed issues.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
Right as they happen.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Yeah. I think if there was ever a moment that
would arise that we would need it, yeah, we would.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
I'd be way more open to it than he would,
and one hundred percent we've talked about it in the past,
Like there was one time where I was like, maybe
we should and you were like, we don't need to
do that.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
I fully turned into the person I don't like. It
was very weird your parents. I don't know if that's
ever happened to you, but I thought all the time.
My initial reaction was like, wait a minute, yeah, like,
who is that? We don't you going to do for us?
Speaker 7 (46:10):
That's exactly how not.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
I don't even have to an accent. But I did
have my oh no, I think we're fine, And then
I had a moment with myself. I was like, wait,
why is that my initial reaction too?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah, that's cool though. That self reflection is important.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I love that what it oh in the middle when
you do fight, have either one of you ever gotten
so angry that you've threatened to break up, walk out,
leave the relationship?
Speaker 7 (46:37):
Not vocally.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Wait a minute, you text it?
Speaker 7 (46:44):
Oh no, just I just I just wow thought it.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yeah, I just elaborate.
Speaker 7 (46:50):
Well, I told you, I'm very passionate.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
I get very emotional, and so sometimes in my head
I'm just like, well, then I guess I guess I'll
just leave him.
Speaker 7 (46:56):
Then I'll teach him a lesson, but.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
You never threw it in his face and threaten No.
Speaker 7 (47:01):
But the but the.
Speaker 6 (47:02):
Idea of punishing him by saying we can't be digger anymore,
like is so appealing sometimes, Oh my god, like that
that's what's so annoying about being in like a really
beautiful relationship.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
Is that why you have to stay in?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
It?
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Is not in my face?
Speaker 6 (47:16):
Yeah, Like sometimes I just want to get back at you, like, fine,
you're never going to see me again, you know, like,
how dare you say that stupid thing at the party?
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Okay, So I read some my Twitter thread last week
about this person was saying I'm a couple's counselor I've
been doing it for a couple of years. Here like
the top ten things I've learned that make a successful couple.
And I read it. I was like, oh, we have
all these And the one I found really interesting was
like the ethical fighting. And we alluded to this earlier,
but that's the exact same thing. There's never been a community,
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there's never been a an intentional conversation about this is
how we're going to argue and this is how we're
going to fight. But we inherently I think know that
about each other, Like we're not going to just throw
things in each other's face just so you can get
the reaction and satisfaction.
Speaker 7 (48:03):
But I keep it locked and loaded. I have a
list of things I would love to throw in his face.
But okay, because we are respectful fighters.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Okay, next question though, and we're going to get out
of Austin's head to do this one. What is the
closest you all have actually come to breaking up or
ending the relationship?
Speaker 7 (48:23):
Oh? Definitely early on, many.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
Times, many times.
Speaker 7 (48:27):
Yeah, we were a mess in the beginning.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
Yeah I wasn't.
Speaker 7 (48:30):
No, but I just feel like we like I.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
Was going through it, and okay, we got together. This
is probably not the healthiest thing. We got together. And
I had just gotten out of a long term relationship
almost immediately into this. He was going through all kinds
of things, and I think that adage of like, if
you can't love yourself, how are you going to you know, RuPaul,
how are you going to love somebody else where? He
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was working on himself and so how can you be
the partner you should be in a relationship if you're
not operating at your fullest capacity? And so at the beginning,
I was like, well, I'm obsessed with him, I'm crazy
about him and in love with him, but I think
this is gonna be like six months. Like I just
I don't know how this is going to work.
Speaker 7 (49:15):
I still don't. We got to eight half years.
Speaker 5 (49:17):
No, it's like it's like we've blinked and we've got
we got to eight.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
But the fact that we made it through that first
year I think is crazy and all of her a
lot of our friends say the same, like spensers off.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
That I think it was because personality wise were very different,
but we overlap and this took time to find almost
in every other way where our interests are the same.
Clearly esses of humor is the same. And I think, yeah,
that first year, I don't know if there's like one point,
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but no, there was a lot of up and down.
Awesome was going through well, I think I think.
Speaker 6 (49:51):
I think to Saw, Kevin had been in a relationship
for seven years. He knew he at least had a
foundation of how relationship worked. I not only had no
found of how a relationship worked, but I also didn't
want to be in a relationship. I didn't want to
commit myself to anyone I was afraid of being in
love with someone, so.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Shouldn't well, you love me.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
I think it's more like, it's amazing that, like I
stayed in it because I just I wasn't ready for
a relationship.
Speaker 7 (50:15):
I just happened to meet my person.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Well that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
But it sounds like any of the bigger fights happened
early on, and that once you got through that, then
you guys figured out the dynamic and what worked in
how not to upset the other.
Speaker 7 (50:29):
Person as much.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
But I see a lot of respect between the two
of you and humor, and those two things to me
are so so important, and I see both of those
alive and well in you.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
It's very cool.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Right, we're going to wrap this up. You guys have
been so much fun. So you've made lots of references
to how great your sex life is. How do you
keep the romance alive? Like for couples who want to
know it's been eight years, it's been ten years. Maybe
it's only been a few years, but you're trying to
figure out, what would you say is the secret to
keeping your romance alive.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
I don't know if there's just a secret. I look
at him and I'm like, I'm still just as attracted
to you as I was, if not more. Yeah, the
first time I like met you, I guess and I.
Speaker 6 (51:15):
I've always said this, I think the sexiest part of
sex is everything that happens before sex and the foreplay,
but not even in the bedroom foreplay, but like flirting
and syntactually the things that you're saying.
Speaker 7 (51:32):
So I think that for me, another thing I love about.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
Kevin, Like that I love most about Kevin is that
he always says things that surprise me, and whether it's
sexual or not, like the conversation being fresh and him
challenging me.
Speaker 7 (51:52):
That to me, that for me, that's what keeps the
romance alive.
Speaker 5 (51:56):
Damn, you really just big up my ego. I don't
I have no idea what you're talking about, but you're welcome.
I don't know what I say that's surprising, but I
got to keep doing it.
Speaker 6 (52:18):
No, but it's it's not even I mean, it is
a compliment, but it's not even saying like you're intentional.
Speaker 7 (52:23):
About or anything. But just like I don't know, just
the honesty in our conversation, that's what keeps it hot
to me, is like.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
That like confidence in like I'm going to say whatever
I want to say to you, and if it's stupid
or if it's wrong or whatever, if it comes across
me or whatever, Like that to me is sexy.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
And I think receiving that too, of someone that you
can feel is still so into you and vice versa,
like the confidence of like I can tell he it's
shocking to me that he's still into me sexually after
eight years and that's exciting, and you know, like, oh
my god, you feel the same way I do, Like, yeah,
that's that's good. It's nice. It feels like high school
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on it, like in a way, it feels like it's
fresh and new. And obviously there are you know, peaks
and valleys because there's things happen in life and that's
not top of mind, but generally and even if there's
times when you know it is more of a valley
where you know, life happens. We that's so important to
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both of us that we definitely know how to like
ignite it in one another and make it a.
Speaker 7 (53:32):
Focus and priority and travel traveling. We're both we're both
sluts for.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
True, I mean, what's better than a hotel room?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, we agree, we're in one right now.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
I mean, yeah, you're gonna log off, and I know
what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
We're in Vegas, baby, so yes, Oh god, we love it.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
Oh we love Vegas. Oh that's that's also a great one.
Vegas will bring the Roman.
Speaker 7 (53:53):
HUDs, will it?
Speaker 5 (53:54):
Actually I don't know something the sweet oxygen being pumped
into a smoke filled So good.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Let the memories begin.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
But the last one here, guys, is I guess it's
obvious and as Austin you might say cliche, but it
has to be asked. Anytime somebody's around someone who is
in a successful and certainly long term relationship, they asked
this question, so we'll ask it of you answered, however,
you like, what.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Is the secret to relationship success?
Speaker 7 (54:26):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (54:27):
I hate when people say this.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Oh yeah, they always ask.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
The question. Is good to me? It's like purely communication,
But I mean it's in it's setting a standard of communication.
Though I think it's not just like, yeah, we have
to speak to one another. It's the type and style
of communication, what you expect to hear from the other
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person and from yourself, all the things you know, that
encapsulates everything we've just talked about. Where there's no judgment.
It's like better out than in, Like let's not harbor
any resentments towards one another, and it's not necessarily like,
oh it's so much work. If you set that precedent
for yourselves, then it's a habit and it's not something
(55:18):
you have to think about. And I think pretty early
on we establish that. And it's also really rewarding when
you realize there's like new levels to communication, Like, oh,
I thought we were being really open with each other,
but we just unlocked the next level of this somehow.
And that only happens through embracing that and like charging
(55:39):
right through it when you get into those sticky situations.
But yeah, I think just communication.
Speaker 6 (55:46):
Yeah, I think that goes hand in hand with openness.
I feel like I look at all the people I
know that are in relationships or have been in relationships,
and when I see relationships that are in really rough
spots and are at risk, I think it's because one
or both partners aren't open to a new perspective to
(56:09):
a different person, right, because we all we only we
only perceive people to act the same way that we act.
You know, Like if I if I think, if I
have a certain mechanism in my head, I'm going to
assume that everyone else thinks that same way too, and
that's going to clash unless.
Speaker 7 (56:25):
You're open to other perspectives. And to me, that is
what works. Yeah, because I think not to on what you're.
Speaker 6 (56:31):
Saying, but like, I think communication is vital to a relationship,
but communication also can lead to honesty as far as
maybe that you shouldn't stay together, and I think that's
important to communicate about. But I think when we're talking
about like keeping a relationship going, I think you just
have to be open to changing and being open to
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someone that's different than you, because there's never going to
be a perfect relationship.
Speaker 7 (56:57):
It doesn't exist.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
I do think I co signed that because there's been
I can't take the amount of times I've learned that
over and over again in this relationship where it's like, oh,
I don't need an apology, but he needs an apology
for example, and unlearning that everything needs to be from
just my strict point of view and being open to
(57:21):
the compromise and making sure he's getting what he needs
from me. Yeah, you taught me that.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
That's awesome, And I think so many people are focused
on getting what they need. They're not They're not actually
doing what relationships will require, which is for you to
figure out what the other person needs.
Speaker 5 (57:38):
Yeah, because you want the other person to be happy
and fulfilled, and that means that you are a part
of that and accomplishing that for that person, and that
should be fulfilling for you. It is for me, I
know it is for both of us. So it's yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
Very oh, Kevin and Austin. You guys have been amazing.
We have learned so much from you. I know our
listeners have to. It's so cool to hear your love
story and to see your relationship. And you have a
deep friendship too on top of it. But I love
the fun you have, I love the humor you have,
and just thank you for sharing it with us.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
We appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (58:16):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (58:17):
This lovely I fully expect a double date.
Speaker 6 (58:21):
Yes, it was not kidding, yea honestly, And I feel
like significantly more in love than I did when I
woke up.
Speaker 7 (58:30):
So not that I wasn't in love when.
Speaker 5 (58:32):
I woke up, but we needed I'll send you a venmo.
Thank you so much for this.
Speaker 4 (58:39):
Well, Happy Valentine's Day.
Hey, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
In this episode, our Love Stories series continues today a
couple that's been together eight years, but marriage hasn't been
on the table. Well at least it wasn't before they
did this interview with us. And with that, welcome to
this Cuffing season edition.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Rose. When you agree that as we've been going through
this and it's been a blast, some of the couples
like have a little you see a little light bulb
go off, or they start to consider or think about
things in the interview with us that maybe they hadn't
been thinking about.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's been fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It has been fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Look, all of the couples who we've been interviewing are
happy couples. They're all in different stages of their relationships,
but all of them have been tried and tested. I
think it's fair to say. And I love that we
heard from Kevin and Austin saying, Hey, if it ain't broke,
don't fix it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
But then I started to see them.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Realize how much they love each other and are committed
to each other through answering the questions we've been asking
all of the couples, and it was cool to see
that that at the end they were happier than they
were at the beginning of the conversation, which is a
good sign as they were talking about their relationship.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, I think we were too after this conversation with them,
and that I'm not being dramatic. After every single conversation
with a couple, it's been encouraging. There's been something that
has been comforting about knowing somebody else is going through
the exact same thing, even though you know it in
your mind that other couples are dealing with it, to
hear them openly talk about it, it's just it's been nice.
(01:30):
And I think no couple would agree to come on
here with us, would they if they weren't solid, Because
if a couple wasn't solid and we were asking some
of these questions, that they could get nasty.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
It's true, and that's a good point. And you'll notice,
and I'm not saying that celebrity couples aren't good, but
a lot of celebrity couples won't do interviews together for
those reasons. And if you think about it, you don't
see married celebrity couples oftentimes sitting down for an interview,
(02:03):
and so we feel really honored. Yeah, that we were
able to secure this many amazing celebrity couples to actually
let us ask them anything. There were no rules, No
one said, hey, don't go there, don't ask us about this.
They just trusted us with discussing fully their relationship, the ups,
(02:24):
the downs, the highs, the lows.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And that's not easy to talk about in a public setting.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
No, I didn't think about it.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I was thinking that some of our couples that we
did later, I said, well, they had the option, they
could cheat because they could go back and listen to
the early ones. Actually, no, most of these we got
recorded and in the can before they started any of
them airing. So none of these couples knew what was
coming at them, and they trusted us to ask whatever.
And they trusted their own relationship enough to know we
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can handle what comes at us.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
That's the bigger point point, right, that they trusted one
another to have each other's backs, because you know, you
can go even talked about this with Austin and Kevin.
You can go and take your relationship even to a
party and come back in a fight because someone said
something that the other person didn't like or wish they
hadn't said.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So imagine doing.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
That recorded for a podcast for anyone to listen to.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Do I have it right?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
That's trust?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I think I have it right.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Not a single edit has been made to any of
these We let it ride, and not a single couple
has come to us and said, hey, can you pluck
that part out or nothing? Not once, So that's been awesome.
I mean, we talk about Kevin and Austin. You all
know these names. Kevin McHale and Austin McKenzie. Two they
met through their careers. It's fair to say most of
them in entertaining.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yes, they met on the job, which so often happens.
You know, we might have had that same experience. But yes,
Kevin McHale or my daughters love him. They actually were
upset that I didn't tell him in the interview how
much they love him.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
But he, of course is from Glee.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Anyone who loved that show, as my daughters did, knows
he played Artie Abrams and then Austin McKenzie, who had
a lot of a claim from his role in the
Broadway performance of Spring Awakening. He's a singer, he's an actor,
so it's just it's a cool story. They're both in
the business that creates a lot of stress as well,
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but they seem to be handling it with such grace
and getting stronger by the day. So they really did
blow us away with openness. And what we love about
the series is we talk to couples, as we mentioned,
from all different stages of life. But there are in
some our age differences. There is race differences, there are
ethnic differences, there are sexual preference differences, and yet there's
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something relatable about all of them to our relationship and
I'm hoping to your relationship as well. So please take
a listen to the love story of Kevin McHale and
Austin McKenzie. Kevin and Austin join us now. Thank you
both for being with us. How you doing pretty good?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Thank you for having us?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well? You look adorable to together? Uh you do? You
just look so sweet? I love it. I love love.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So we start off by asking everyone the same first question,
each of you, if you would give us three words
to describe your relationship right now.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Kevin will start with you, Oh, right.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Now, Okay, exciting, communicative, Wow, settled in a good way
like that or he settles for me? But like we're content.
Maybe I'm living to change the content the truth comes out.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Yeah, I would say, uh, funny, honest, and.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
I don't know. I think it's sexual, Like yeah, yeah, sexual,
you know what?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And a ho tell you all and all the conversation
we've had with couples, you all hit about three or
even four words that we've heard for the first time. Yeah,
and what you all said, so that is that's kind
of cool.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Next question here, though, when you all first met, was
their immediate chemistry.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
No, I would.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Actually say yes, but not, but not at all the
way we have chemistry now, okay, fair like we both
both definitely we both definitely saw something and had a
goal in mind when we first met.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
I think the goals were different. The goals were very different.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Do explain.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
We met when we worked together. We filmed this mini
series nine eight and a half years ago, almost nine
years ago, and all of my scenes were with Austin
and so I came into it being like, who is
my scene partner? He's the lead of the show. Tried
to do some recon about him and heard that he
didn't come off as the friendliest person.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
I am. Let me just preface, I am I just.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Didn't come yes, okay, that's why I put that in.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
I didn't come off me either.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
No, just a little cold, cold, little cold.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I get that a lot too often.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
It's okay, okay, okay, introspective, you know it's not okay.
I can get along, like I'll adapt to any situation,
and I'm like, I'm not going to be in this
in every scene with this guy and he's not going
to not like me or like we're not going to
have a good report. So my goal going into it
was to sort of puzzle piece figure out what was
(07:26):
going on with him so we could at least have
some even if it was light friendship, so this experience
could be enjoyable. And then immediately I saw the hesitance,
coldness maybe, and I was like, oh, challenge, okay, challenge accepted.
I'm going to figure you out, and and I sort
(07:49):
of did. I just there wasn't any ulterior motives in
terms of like I want to be with him or
I want to hook up with him. It wasn't like that.
It was simply started from how can we make this
working relationship really good? Into maybe we should be friends,
maybe we need each other as friends and that's how.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
Yeah, we had.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
We had very different goals there because I saw I
remember seeing you and thinking, well, because at the time
I was, I was the early twenties. I was a
total mess and you know, like like we all were,
and think for yourself, that's true. Actually you were fine.
And I saw him and my first thought was next,
(08:27):
there's another one. I found one, and so I just
you know, what is it? Hook hook and sink. Isn't
that what it's It's not a hook and sinker.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Hook and sink, hook line and sinker hook on.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
Yes, like easy catch and then we'll be done. It'll
be great.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
That's I saw you saw it as like a you know,
a friendship, friendship, and I saw it as a temporary
uh huh.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
It would be amazing though, if I had a radar
at some point in my life to know when people
thought of me in that way, because the amount of
time I've just been to be like, no, they're not
into me, now this is I would have been great
to know.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
Yeah, a little.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Late, eventually it worked out, so you played the long
game without even realizing you were.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Who said I love you first?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Who said I love you first? Austin did, which is
funny because yeah, I mean we started. I feel like
our roles in our in this relationship have have like
over the years changed a lot like he used to.
I don't know, just like the fact that I came
into it being like thinking it was just going to
be a hookup of fun show mance and then I
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ended up saying I love you.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
First tricked you?
Speaker 7 (09:36):
You did?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Okay, Kevin, you've playing worked dell us here we ask
everybody this, what is the age difference? You've kind of
alluded to it, but what is the age difference? And
it has it had an impact at all on your
relationship one way or another?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Massive? It's a huge age difference.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
How dare you?
Speaker 7 (09:55):
I had to change the stuper before okay.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Depends it is almost five years or not a little
over five years? Yeah, five years ish.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
He's my senior.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
And I would say, like the any sort of differences
it has caused this like in social references and like
stories like oh yeah, when I was growing up, it
really makes me feel elderly. Oh, like like when you
don't understand their Robbie Williams Robbie. That movie Better Man
came out this year and he was asking me about
Robbie Williams. Was like, I grew up obsessed with Robbi
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Williams and he didn't know.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Oh, you know what.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I interviewed him when he came out that I love him.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
It was the biggest deal.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I felt so special getting to know him and hearing
his story and what it took for him to come out.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
That's so cool. He's one of my favorites.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think there's ever been known.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I mean in the beginning, like in the beginning when
I was a mess, when I was in my you know,
early mid twenties, total mess. He was not norm Have
you ever really been a mess? I mean that that
was like a I guess a big difference. I was
going through a lot that you'd already learned or experienced.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
You were going through a lot of personal things that
I had never experienced or witnessed, and so it was
like a even though we are different places sort of
in our lives, I was learning. I learned. I feel
like I've learned so much about like the human condition
through Austin and like think personal things he's overcome in
his past and things, which has been pretty remarkable you
(11:31):
also had like just finished your party phase, I feel like,
and mine was had just ended, so it was a
different time.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
You know, I personally don't think the party phase should
ever end. There shouldlways be an element up it.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Right think I had mine recently, Like I feel like
I just came out of my part like your party phase.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I feel like I didn't party in college or high
school or anything, but I feel like we've both sort
of gotten back into it in a way.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
It's like the hell you know, when you're younger and
you like going to party all the time and there's
no limit on it, and then now I feel like
there's the conscious decisions like do I need to do
that this weekend?
Speaker 7 (12:06):
That might also be.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
That might also be a gay culture thing, I feel like,
because I feel like a lot of gay culture is
centered around partying, so it does come in ways maybe.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
True, I know, yeah, I mean we party together.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
We continued our party phase with each other, like not
going out to hook up or whatever that other people
go do, but you go out to enjoy it together,
which is kind of a fun new party phase, an
old person's party phase.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I think that's sort of I think that's sort of
where we are as well.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, I call it a mature party phase. But whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Wait, so the next question we ask everybody, but I'll
figure out how you guys want to handle this is
we ask people, because everyone has been married so far,
how long did you date before you got engaged?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
How long were you engaged before you got married? So
how long have you all been together? And what are
your plans for the future.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
We've been together a little over eight years and I
was visiting a really good friend of mine this past
weekend in Colorado and her and her husband had have
been together two months shorter than we have, and they
have two kids. They have like multi homes, and I'm
sitting there watching with their kids, like what are we doing?
(13:17):
It feels like we are living such different lives and
we've technically been together a little longer, which feels so silly,
And I think it's like breaking down that the like
my friend wanted to have kids, and they both wanted
to have kids and wanted to get married, and so
they're fulilling that checklist. I don't think we've ever really
(13:38):
had sort of that checklist. For me, it's like if
it's good, yeah, like I'm really it's I'm really happy
with this right now and it's working how it is.
So if I wake up to morrow we should get married.
How do you feel about that? Then maybe that's a discussion.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
One of our strong strongest suits in this relationship is
just going with the flow of it.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
We didn't how long was it telling.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
We've five years, eight years.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
And and like the way that that came about was
one day I made a joke about moving in and
he joked back about it, and then we just kept
joking about it, and then it became more serious, and
then one day I was like, wait, am I moving in?
And then I moved in, and it something like we
never even really thought we would move in together. I
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valued my space so much and so does he, and
that just happened completely organically. And we are talking about
a ceremony of sorts maybe or a ring of sorts maybe,
but like we also have no desire to get married,
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but guess in the traditional scene for some reason, it's
sort of I don't want to say it's heading that way,
but it's like it's going into some world that's yeah,
I don't know, so like we're it's.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Just it's very going has happened. We're like, we're obsessed
with each other and it's been eight year and I'm like,
I just want us to have some jewelry.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I totally get that. I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Your answer is really interesting because so many people think, Okay,
marriage is the next step.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You'll are taking things.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Just as it comes, and it seems to be working
for you, even with something as monumental as moving in together.
It just kind of happened. It almost happens to havece.
So the next question we had for folks, and most
of them been married, why did you want to get married?
And how do you think your relationship would be different
if you were just a couple and not married. So
I'll ask you all in this way, how do you
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all think, I mean, it's working great now? Do you
all worry about what might happen to your relationship or
might change in some way if you put that piece
of paper with its.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
On?
Speaker 7 (15:48):
One hand?
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Do you worried?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
I think that's just because I come from a family
with a ton of divorce and from experiencing that secondhand,
I do worry, And of course I do worry of
like putting press Shawn us. But for the most part,
I mean, I really just look at how we moved
in together and like how.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Easy it was.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
The way we talk about it, or at least the
way I say is it's like living with Kevin is
like living alone but better, like we have our own space. Romantic,
you know, but you know what I mean, Like it's
living alone is easy because there's no one bothering you,
and living with you, I never feel bothered, except for
when you're bothering me, right, I don't know, I don't
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I don't know. I don't know if the answer the
question you go.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
I know I have the same concerns, like if it
ain't broke, it's sort of it works really well as
it is right now, and so I think if we're
we don't have the responsibilities of kids or not behold
you know, I think that would be a very different
situation for us if we were coming into this. And
there's something about maybe having marriage or that certificate that
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changed thing that makes something more stable. But like it's
just us where we have some animals, and it feels
like if we can just for me keep it like this,
so it works until like I said before, like we
wake up one day, I feel like I want to
do this, and we both feel like we want to
do it. Then the overwhelming need, like we moved in together.
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It got to the point where like, this makes no
sense that we don't live together. Like you've been at
my house six out of seven days a week through
the pandemic. It works incredibly well, Like just move over
here for the seventh day. And so, you know, I
think it's sort of that same model where like you said,
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it's like trending in a certain direction, and you know,
I guess it works really well right now. So yeah, yeah,
I'm scared to mess with the balance.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
There is also I feel like for me, there is
also a little bit of like, because of the political climate,
there is a bit of like should we get married.
Not that there's like just in case can not that
there's like a huge, massive, real threat that it's getting away,
but there is it is a hossibility that marriage equality
will get taken away. So there have been times where
I'm like, should we just do it before.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Before we can?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Well, yeah, I hadn't even thought about that, but that
does make total sense. And there are certain rights afforded
to you if you're married and certain rights that are.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Not exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
You've made a commitment to one another, correct, I mean,
do you? I mean, what is your relationship commitment level?
Like have you articulated it? We haven't asked anyone else
that because they've been married. So I'm just curious if
you're not married, and what has been said between the
two of you.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Good question.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I actually don't know if we've ever really talked about
like what our commitment looks like, because I don't it's
not commitment in the same way of like marriage.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
But I mean, I.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Know from my perspective, this is only my second relationship
ever I am it's my first. Yeah, I don't know why.
To me, it feels like when you are in a relationship,
it's really important to me that we maintain our independence,
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Like you are your own person. This is your life first,
and I want you to be with me as long
as that feels like it's serving you in a positive way. Still, So,
like I think, to me, it seems like a really huge,
sometimes unachievable goal that people can be together for their
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entire lives. I think, to me, that's like a crazy
amount of pressure to put on a relationship where if
you take that away. There's I feel like when there's
no pressure, there's so much you can explore and be spontaneous.
Maybe it's the same thing I've never been married.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
It's I think the level comment I've talked about, at
least with you, is like check in with yourself as
often as possible and be present in it, because I
it's hard for me to like plan the future, but
I don't know how I'm gonna feel about you in
a week. I just know right now it feels really good,
and I'm going to be honest with you every single
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day about how I feel in the relationship, and so
it's I think it's my commitment is just to be
completely communicative about where I am and to make sure
that he feels like he can be the exact same
way with me, because I wouldn't want him to. You know,
if he meets somebody out at a coffee shop all
of a sudden, it's like I just fell in love
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at first sight. Sure, break my heart, but I don't
want to hold you back from living your life. I
always figure it out.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Wow, I don't think that that would ever come out
of my mouth.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
At a coffee shop. It's in theory, you know, is good.
No would be that cool about it.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Think of it this very a very very similar way.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
Like I I think that if you are truly, deeply,
madly in love with someone, your number one goal with
them is for them to be as happy as possible.
And if Kevin finds someone that he is happier with,
then I want him to to take that opportunity. I
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want him to be happy. Yeah, I would absolutely suck.
I would be devastated. It would change my entire life.
But like, that's that's what I want for him. I
think maybe another way to word what you're saying is like,
I think we're both committed to being fully present with
each other and being present in the moment. And you know, luckily,
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for the past eight years, every moment has been that
we are.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Deeply in love with each other.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I always go back to too that, Uh, you know,
after a certain amount of years, it became super clear
that Kevin is my person more than I would call
my husband or a boyfriend or a partner.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
He's my person. And so I guess, in a bit
of a marriage.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Way, I see that as a As a I take
that commitment seriously as you know, when things get really hard,
when we argue or you know, whatever comes up, I
am committed to No, this is my person and I'm
gonna we're gonna work through this and get stronger and
better after it, and not and not just thinking, oh,
something came up. This is too serious. Clearly we're not
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He's not my person anymore. It's trusting that, trusting the
best moments, you know, trusting how I feel then when
it's not the best moments.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
That that was one. I'm not kidding you all.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That might be the most insightful answer we've had to
that question.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Hey, I just learned between the no.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But I'm saying both of you all there because people
view it differently. Talk about that was a great answer
the other day about you know what, there's something significant
about standing in front of the people you love and
declaring to them that this is the person you love.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
All that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
And then other people have practical reasons for getting married
and what it means legally and all these things. But
you all gave just it was the most romantic and
unromantic answer.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah we're great, but yeah it's cool today we'll see.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What it's an honest answer.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
And I don't know how much you all know about us,
but we both between us, we have four divorces, so
we've both been divorced twice, and.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
We shall not lead with that.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, but we've been contemplating whether or not we should
get married or not, you know, And we haven't moved
in together either, but we spend every single night and
day together, so it's we're at that point now. But
it's cool to hear you say because we've also struggled
with what we call each other.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I like, he's my person. That's a really really cool
way to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Austin, you alluded to this, and we've asked everybody this,
But how often do you have sex?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And has it changed over the years.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Honestly, it only really changes if usually when both of
us are super busy. If just one person is busy,
it doesn't really change it. If we're both super.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Busy, or if.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
I've been very open about like mental health that I
struggle with, so like, if I'm going through something, usually
well that'll take a back seat. But other than that, honestly,
I mean, I feel like it's like every other day,
every two days, every year, every other day, every two days.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
It's probably right.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
I mean when I've talked, Yeah, I can. I can
consider that's one of the words I use sexual. I
think that we're both very Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Know, here's what I'll follow up. I don't think we've
asked this follow up before. But is it a matter
of your because you all said it, ah, yeah once
every couple of days, is this something you make sure
you schedule or it naturally happens? Because I will speak
for Robes and I a couple of days go about
you know what, we're not quite right?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
What's been going on with us?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
So is that a matter if it just kind of
naturally occurs, organically it happens, or do you all make
a conscious effort to all right, there's been a couple
of days.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Here to prioritize it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, prioritize good work.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I would say a little of both, but mostly of
the time organically. Yeah, because what I've also learned, because
I think we tried to do that a couple of times,
schedule it and that just kills it. Yeah, I can't
handle it, you.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Can handle it?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Now we have to plan this. I'm out.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Yeah, it took it.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
It's like the biggest deflator. I don't I've had this
discussion with other people too, Like I just I don't
know what it is. I wish we could. It would
be a lot easier if we could. I know, you
can just fit it into the schedule and then fit
it in, But no, I I feel scheduling really doesn't
work for me, and I do have to say because
I think it would work for you, And we try
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to do that a little bit. And Austin has been
even very good about adapting in recognizing that it does
not work for me, and so he tries to make
it look organic even though he may be planning on
it in his head.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Well, I get that.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Not to get too into detail, but for gay men
there is preparation involved, and so there does have to
be like a little bit of like planning of like
making sure the feelers are out there and making sure
that like, Okay, I think we're going to get into
this mood now we have.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
I think I think I can speak for both of
us that we both have have How do I say this?
Speaker 6 (26:44):
We both have have played around in the playing field
of sexual experiences with other men, and we're each other's
best sex.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I hope you agree, but yeah, the best sex of
my life.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
So he's the best sex in my life, and so
I want to have sex with him all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Truly, I'm glad we didn't add that to our Can
you imagine if we asked all the couples, Hey, has
your spouse been the best sex of your life?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I know, yeah, that would.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
No no, no, no, no no, I don't want what I was.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
This recently came up with We were we were around
a couple friend of mine last week and they were
very open. Were our whole friend group, for the record,
is very open about talking about these intimate sexual details,
especially like no judgment. We asked questions like straight, gay,
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whatever it is. I don't know why, but that's sort
of like the friend group we've curated I've always had
and this they're straight, they're married, and and it was
the first time they were admitting to each other that
it was like the best they were each other's best
sex they've ever had. And I was like, are you lying?
Are you trying to make the other person feel And
they were going above and beyond to like prove that
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they meant to. And I was like, this is great.
It's like, yeah, so like who's next? Who else? Who
was weirdly quiet in the room right now and not
answering this?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Oh no, no, oh no?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
So how you also mentioned this a little bit. Everybody fights?
How often would you say you fight?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And what do you fight? Is there something you fight
the most about?
Speaker 5 (28:27):
I'm not a fighter.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know you're not a fighter.
I'm not a fighter. I just I'm very passionate.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I will say this because I'm not really a fighter.
I think that leads to maybe more unintended avoidance of
situations where my objective is to be super overly communicative.
But Austin has been really good, like you mentioned earlier
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about like protecting or like the happiness or the happiness
or the relationship at all times when there have been
disagreements where I've been like, ugh, this is I don't
want to talk, this is dumb. Do we even need
to do this, He'll be like, no, we need to.
We really need to figure this out. It's one of
those things like we're not going to bed angry, like,
let's talk through it. And before we were even technically together,
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there were a couple of times where I think, you know,
I didn't know what we were and I was frustrated
and I would pick a fight without realizing it always,
you know, not imagining I was ever someone that would
do that. And he's one of my favorite things about
him is that he's so smart and the way he
could break down. He's like, Okay, so I think what
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you're doing right now as like you're picking a fight
because of X, Y and Z, and just like sort
of read me and I can be objective about myself
and I was like, oh, yeah, you're you're right, And
every single time and it's come up and it may be.
I don't think there's one thing that we necessarily disagree
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about or fight about, but regardless of what it is,
it's always handled in a similar way where we sort
of have to keep each other in check, keep each
other honest. And he's very good at making sure I
don't just sweep it under the rug or shut it down,
because I'm pretty good at that. And it's taught me
to also think about how I want to approach those
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situations beforehand, which has been great because it's great to
be able to like learn things about yourself and have
the person you love the most teach those things, and
it's not a judgmental thing. It's you know, I'm thirty
six and I'm still learning things every time. We do
have an uncomfortable communication, and we respect each other enough
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to be able to be honest. Yeah, but like there's
no low blows. You know, we don't like I'm not
trying to just piss you off to like get my
job in. We don't do that. It's like I don't
need to do that. I don't want to make you upset.
But let's be very clear about what we're saying.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Yeah, we're also like.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
So unfiltered with each other that, Uh, I don't think
we have that many fights because we always dress things
in a moment like dude, you're really pissing me off today,
can you please stop?
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Or like why the hell did you say that at
that party?
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Like, well, we'll just like we're super honest and we
know that, like we can say anything in front of
each other and there'll be no judgment.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Kevin, next question here, we asked everybody this. You mentioned
it in your answer there, But it sounds like you
all make a point not to go to bed angry,
do you.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah, as Austin is very good at that. There have
definitely been times where I've wanted to pull the eject
button and I'm like, I'm done with this conversation. Here's
the dovet good night.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I try to me, I'm like, I know the answer
to this, Like how you know? It's like one of
those things you get frustrated or annoyed. I'm like, how
are you not getting this? But that's no reason, you
know now, in this moment of peace, that's no reason too.
If the partner is not getting it, or does not
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feel one hundred percent heard or understood, or doesn't feel
like we're one hundred percent linked and SYNCD in that moment,
then that's my moment as a partner to step up
and be like, Okay, how do we how do we
get there? How do we communicate this? What do we
need to What do you need to hear from me?
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What am I not? What do you think I'm not
getting from you? And so he's good at reminding, because
there's been several times in bed where he's like, we're
not going to bed angry.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
I just take I take cliches very seriously. I think
there's a reason that cliches are cliche, Like I've heard
in every wedding ceremony, you know, don't go to bed angry,
and they must say it for a reason.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
It's always stuck with me. So I just take that
very seriously.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's very cool.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I love I love the Why the hell did you
say that at that party? That is such a like
classic you come back from something you've been drinking. Oh
my god, that just that was hilarious.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
To the flip side of that is awesome. It'll be like,
why the hell did I say that at that party?
And I'm like, no, No, it's fine, don't worry. No,
that's cute.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
What do you each love the most about the others?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Really hard, there's a lot.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
I want to guess what you're gonna say about me.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Now, Cam you mentioned earlier you love that he was
so smart. He is and favorite thing.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I think his intelligence.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I was gonna say, can you clarify that? I think
I like books smart you are. You're an idiot, like
right now that you're stupid, but you're so smart. I
think the umbrella is probably his intelligence, which includes his talent,
which I think is super hot. He's so good at
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so many things. And like the passion for that is
one of my absolutely favorite things about him. But something
I have found, and I think we both found that
I never even imagine necessarily looking for in a relationship
that has really come to the forefront to maybe be
the number one most important thing is our shared sense
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of humor.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Yeah, that's like he can be.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
It's so similar and it's punchy, real and like really quick.
He's so quick. It's infuriating, but I love it well
that he's so quick.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
We're holding back a lot of a banter right now
because we actually say this a lot where we'll be
out in public around friends and maybe there's people that
know us that well, and we'll be in the car
on the way home being like people might think that
we're mad at each other or something because our banter
is so constant. Yeah, people might misinterpret it's like we're funny.
We say, like we're like we're like mentally boxing each other. Yeah,
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like we like just like yeah, we're completely that's that's
the word.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Sorry. And I like to be pushed and like that
was a better joke than I got in Like, oh
that was good, Okay, Like I and it's and I
love that it's the same, you know, it's I don't know,
constantly think about if we did not have that, like
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how would this work, would it work at all? And
I'm and I honestly think that's probably like the secret
ingredient to all of this is that shared I don't
know if it's a sense of humor or sense of
taste and things like that, because it also applies to
music and all these things.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
But I have to say two things. It's really hard
to me to humor is a huge one. But here
he said that if I'm being totally honest, and I
know I keep talking about it, like the sex that
we have, you're really making me no, I mean like no, well, yes,
it can't be that good. No, But like if we're
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just being honest, if we're being if.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
We're being honest in this relationship.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I like, I have a lot of sexual needs and
desires and it's amazing that I'm with someone that can
completely fulfill those.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
So that is a big thing, damn.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
But then also just your groundedness, because I'm so I'm
never on the ground, I'm never on the planet, and
he's he's the one who in a great way balances
me so that way, I'm at least hovering above the ground.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And every time you're trying to run up against it,
I'm like, cut it out.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
This is where we are.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
This is now not this is the most difficult transition
we've had from that question to this next question, because
you all gave such a fun answer to that one,
we have to talk about finance is now how how
do you all it's a big one for couples. How
do you handle finances? Do you have separate accounts, do
you have joint everything together it's half and how do
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you all do it?
Speaker 7 (37:12):
I was actually just thinking about this the other day.
I really like how it's it's funny, like we've never even.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Really talked about this logistically, But I think he knows
me so well that he knows to respect.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
My independence in the sense that.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
We're always going to be making our own money, you know,
our own money. And at the same time though, as
far as helping each other out, I mean, when I
need help, he'll help vice versa in the sense of like,
if you you know, we want to we want to
help each other, so why not do it, you know,
financially speaking. But no, I think that he just really
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We respect each other's independence financially and have never felt
like there's a need to.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
Join any of that together. Yeah, we never even talked
about it, and that's the way I want it.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Now that you've brought this up, we'll be back in
thirty God, if you ask for a joint bank account
after this.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
You can fight about it tonight, right before you go to.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Bed under that duvet. Sound deep and he'll be fuming.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
How do you guys handle just household stuff? Because this
also causes fights from the dishes, to the laundry to
all of the thing cooking clean everything. How do you
guys handle it? How do you split it up?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Well?
Speaker 6 (38:43):
I well, like I said, I'm another word to say
is like spacey.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
I'm a very spacey person. So I'll have.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
Parts of the house or moments in a week where
like everything's very clean, but then two days go by
and I like neglect that I've laundry on the counter,
or like I don't know, cups.
Speaker 7 (39:04):
In the sink or something like that.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
I always get to it eventually, but he doesn't care.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
I don't think the advantage of him of us not
living together for six years was the amount of time
we've spent at each other's respective homes and when you
see I think other people interact with Like we both
had roommates and things like that, where he fully picked
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up on the things that bother me and I picked
up the things that bother him just from observation. So
when it came to moving in with one another, he
would automatically start He's like, I know there's dishes in
the sink because he witnessed that. I didn't love when
dishes get left in the sink, and I didn't say anything.
And to me, it's like the fact that you're even
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acknowledging that I know you're paying attention, and that means
a lot, and so I'm not worried about it because
I know you will get to it and you always do.
And so there's a difference between you know, when it's
like college days and you're leaving a pile of bowls
and the sink and the laundries everywhere and gets gross
like it's that's It's never like that with us, and
(40:14):
I think it's because we've been able to find those
things out from one another beforehand.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
We also have like we have two dogs, we have
a cat. I like we don't have kids. I feel
like we kind of live in like a in some
ways a bit of like a bachelor house where it's
like it's chill, like if there's you know, a couple
of things on the counter, who cares, Like we've.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
Never ever thought about it.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
We're both pretty clean, Like.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, we both we don't care about But am I
hearing it right that it sounds like you all divvy
up in terms of you clean your shit, I'll clean mine.
You wash your clothes and dishes, I'll wash my clothes
and dishes.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Yes, it's fully that. It's I think it's sort of
the same as finances, like we take care of ourselves.
We take care of our stuff. Yeah, and there's never
an issue. To be honest, I want like I'll have
a clean your come every two weeks, you know, like
that sort of thing. He's like, we don't need that,
we can do that ourselves. Like no, no, no, no, I
want that. I need that. There's a little deeper clean there. Yeah,
(41:09):
I get to that would take us let me just yeah, never,
that's on me. I want that. So I got that.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
We've never got heads on that think you but who cooks? Uh,
he's never cooked a day.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
I'm not like a huge cook, like I used to
be a pastry chef and so like I do quite
a bit of baking, but like, I'm not a huge cook.
But of the two of us, I am. He doesn't
know where anything. Yeah, he's not a cook. He can
hardly make cereal.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
I'm good at eggs.
Speaker 7 (41:40):
That's true. You make a good French omelet.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
That's literally it. That's it. I love that.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Have you all? Oh goo, you mentioned this? How much
alone time do you all need from one another?
Speaker 7 (41:53):
It's definitely changed a lot because I feel like.
Speaker 6 (41:57):
My alone time is time with my friends, my best friends,
Like I don't I don't need to.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
I'm not your best friend, your best.
Speaker 6 (42:03):
Friend, but I don't have to like be alone alone
from Like I just that being hanging out with my
friends is enough, like to keep the balance of like
not spending all my time with him.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
But I don't know.
Speaker 5 (42:16):
We were very intentional about when we seriously talked about
moving in with one another, creating a space, because after
a year being together, Austin did say, do you think
we should move in together? And it was a quick no.
I know how much you need your loan space, and
I don't want you to resent me after a couple
of months of living in here and being around me
(42:37):
all the time, and same for me, like, let's not
force it. So when it did come time to move
in with one another, there's a guest bedroom, and so
to me it was sort of like, why don't you
set up like that's your room. We have our shared
bedroom and all that, but you can set up use
it as your office, use it as your recording studio.
(42:59):
If you want to seep in there some nights just
because you're up late, you're working late, that can be
your space. And I'm not going to take it personally,
that is, that is whatever you want to do in there.
He took it a little too seriously. He still do
not disturb thing from a hotel and puts it on
the handle and locks the door. So that was not
(43:20):
pre negotiated.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's funny, actually, like I really need my space. But
the way that's manifested some really well know. The way
that's manifested is I will fall I'll sleep on the
couch sometimes, which seems like so dramatic, but it's just
like I feel like sleeping somewhere else tonight.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
I'm going to sleep on the cat.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Well, when I met him, he was sleeping on the
couch in his apartment because he prefers sleeping.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
I love the couch, so really, you are just you
are describing t J Helps like I see a couch,
it's his favorite place to sleep.
Speaker 7 (43:53):
Yeah. Yeah, I struggle to get off the couch at
night to.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
Every night He's like, why don't you just leap down
with him? No, I'm not doing this. I'm not playing
this game because I don't want to fall a seat
for forty five minutes and wake up more tired and
then have to go downstairs to the bed. I'm not
playing this game with you. You can stay up here, but
I'm going down.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
I almost pricked them into it last night.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Oh my god, this is a negotiation. We have all
the time too that it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
We look forward to having a double date with you guys.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I would love that Robot and Kevin are going to.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Stay at the table.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Me and you also can go out of having cigarette
and talk about what the hell these two?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (44:31):
Yeah, okay, wait, you had men a cigarette.
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Speaker 1 (45:15):
Couples counseling. Have you all ever done it? In it?
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Now?
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Keep it up? Interested in it?
Speaker 5 (45:20):
What we haven't?
Speaker 7 (45:22):
We haven't.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
I'm not opposed to it, never opposed to it, never
ever opposed to it. I just think that our communication
is so crystal clear and so consistent that not that
that's like what we'll fix everything, but we just have
always squashed issues.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
Right as they happen.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Yeah. I think if there was ever a moment that
would arise that we would need it, yeah, we would.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
I'd be way more open to it than he would,
and one hundred percent we've talked about it in the past,
Like there was one time where I was like, maybe
we should and you were like, we don't need to
do that.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
I fully turned into the person I don't like. It
was very weird your parents. I don't know if that's
ever happened to you, but I thought all the time.
My initial reaction was like, wait a minute, yeah, like,
who is that? We don't you going to do for us?
Speaker 7 (46:10):
That's exactly how not.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
I don't even have to an accent. But I did
have my oh no, I think we're fine, And then
I had a moment with myself. I was like, wait,
why is that my initial reaction too?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah, that's cool though. That self reflection is important.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I love that what it oh in the middle when
you do fight, have either one of you ever gotten
so angry that you've threatened to break up, walk out,
leave the relationship?
Speaker 7 (46:37):
Not vocally.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Wait a minute, you text it?
Speaker 7 (46:44):
Oh no, just I just I just wow thought it.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
Yeah, I just elaborate.
Speaker 7 (46:50):
Well, I told you, I'm very passionate.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
I get very emotional, and so sometimes in my head
I'm just like, well, then I guess I guess I'll
just leave him.
Speaker 7 (46:56):
Then I'll teach him a lesson, but.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
You never threw it in his face and threaten No.
Speaker 7 (47:01):
But the but the.
Speaker 6 (47:02):
Idea of punishing him by saying we can't be digger anymore,
like is so appealing sometimes, Oh my god, like that
that's what's so annoying about being in like a really
beautiful relationship.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
Is that why you have to stay in?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
It?
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Is not in my face?
Speaker 6 (47:16):
Yeah, Like sometimes I just want to get back at you, like, fine,
you're never going to see me again, you know, like,
how dare you say that stupid thing at the party?
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Okay, So I read some my Twitter thread last week
about this person was saying I'm a couple's counselor I've
been doing it for a couple of years. Here like
the top ten things I've learned that make a successful couple.
And I read it. I was like, oh, we have
all these And the one I found really interesting was
like the ethical fighting. And we alluded to this earlier,
but that's the exact same thing. There's never been a community,
(47:46):
there's never been a an intentional conversation about this is
how we're going to argue and this is how we're
going to fight. But we inherently I think know that
about each other, Like we're not going to just throw
things in each other's face just so you can get
the reaction and satisfaction.
Speaker 7 (48:03):
But I keep it locked and loaded. I have a
list of things I would love to throw in his face.
But okay, because we are respectful fighters.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Okay, next question though, and we're going to get out
of Austin's head to do this one. What is the
closest you all have actually come to breaking up or
ending the relationship?
Speaker 7 (48:23):
Oh? Definitely early on, many.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
Times, many times.
Speaker 7 (48:27):
Yeah, we were a mess in the beginning.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
Yeah I wasn't.
Speaker 7 (48:30):
No, but I just feel like we like I.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
Was going through it, and okay, we got together. This
is probably not the healthiest thing. We got together. And
I had just gotten out of a long term relationship
almost immediately into this. He was going through all kinds
of things, and I think that adage of like, if
you can't love yourself, how are you going to you know, RuPaul,
how are you going to love somebody else where? He
(48:54):
was working on himself and so how can you be
the partner you should be in a relationship if you're
not operating at your fullest capacity? And so at the beginning,
I was like, well, I'm obsessed with him, I'm crazy
about him and in love with him, but I think
this is gonna be like six months. Like I just
I don't know how this is going to work.
Speaker 7 (49:15):
I still don't. We got to eight half years.
Speaker 5 (49:17):
No, it's like it's like we've blinked and we've got
we got to eight.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
But the fact that we made it through that first
year I think is crazy and all of her a
lot of our friends say the same, like spensers off.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
That I think it was because personality wise were very different,
but we overlap and this took time to find almost
in every other way where our interests are the same.
Clearly esses of humor is the same. And I think, yeah,
that first year, I don't know if there's like one point,
(49:47):
but no, there was a lot of up and down.
Awesome was going through well, I think I think.
Speaker 6 (49:51):
I think to Saw, Kevin had been in a relationship
for seven years. He knew he at least had a
foundation of how relationship worked. I not only had no
found of how a relationship worked, but I also didn't
want to be in a relationship. I didn't want to
commit myself to anyone I was afraid of being in
love with someone, so.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
Shouldn't well, you love me.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
I think it's more like, it's amazing that, like I
stayed in it because I just I wasn't ready for
a relationship.
Speaker 7 (50:15):
I just happened to meet my person.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Well that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (50:20):
But it sounds like any of the bigger fights happened
early on, and that once you got through that, then
you guys figured out the dynamic and what worked in
how not to upset the other.
Speaker 7 (50:29):
Person as much.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
But I see a lot of respect between the two
of you and humor, and those two things to me
are so so important, and I see both of those
alive and well in you.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
It's very cool.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Right, we're going to wrap this up. You guys have
been so much fun. So you've made lots of references
to how great your sex life is. How do you
keep the romance alive? Like for couples who want to
know it's been eight years, it's been ten years. Maybe
it's only been a few years, but you're trying to
figure out, what would you say is the secret to
keeping your romance alive.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
I don't know if there's just a secret. I look
at him and I'm like, I'm still just as attracted
to you as I was, if not more. Yeah, the
first time I like met you, I guess and I.
Speaker 6 (51:15):
I've always said this, I think the sexiest part of
sex is everything that happens before sex and the foreplay,
but not even in the bedroom foreplay, but like flirting
and syntactually the things that you're saying.
Speaker 7 (51:32):
So I think that for me, another thing I love about.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
Kevin, Like that I love most about Kevin is that
he always says things that surprise me, and whether it's
sexual or not, like the conversation being fresh and him
challenging me.
Speaker 7 (51:52):
That to me, that for me, that's what keeps the
romance alive.
Speaker 5 (51:56):
Damn, you really just big up my ego. I don't
I have no idea what you're talking about, but you're welcome.
I don't know what I say that's surprising, but I
got to keep doing it.
Speaker 6 (52:18):
No, but it's it's not even I mean, it is
a compliment, but it's not even saying like you're intentional.
Speaker 7 (52:23):
About or anything. But just like I don't know, just
the honesty in our conversation, that's what keeps it hot
to me, is like.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
That like confidence in like I'm going to say whatever
I want to say to you, and if it's stupid
or if it's wrong or whatever, if it comes across
me or whatever, Like that to me is sexy.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
And I think receiving that too, of someone that you
can feel is still so into you and vice versa,
like the confidence of like I can tell he it's
shocking to me that he's still into me sexually after
eight years and that's exciting, and you know, like, oh
my god, you feel the same way I do, Like, yeah,
that's that's good. It's nice. It feels like high school
(53:06):
on it, like in a way, it feels like it's
fresh and new. And obviously there are you know, peaks
and valleys because there's things happen in life and that's
not top of mind, but generally and even if there's
times when you know it is more of a valley
where you know, life happens. We that's so important to
(53:27):
both of us that we definitely know how to like
ignite it in one another and make it a.
Speaker 7 (53:32):
Focus and priority and travel traveling. We're both we're both
sluts for.
Speaker 5 (53:36):
True, I mean, what's better than a hotel room?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, we agree, we're in one right now.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
I mean, yeah, you're gonna log off, and I know
what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
We're in Vegas, baby, so yes, Oh god, we love it.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
Oh we love Vegas. Oh that's that's also a great one.
Vegas will bring the Roman.
Speaker 7 (53:53):
HUDs, will it?
Speaker 5 (53:54):
Actually I don't know something the sweet oxygen being pumped
into a smoke filled So good.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Let the memories begin.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
But the last one here, guys, is I guess it's
obvious and as Austin you might say cliche, but it
has to be asked. Anytime somebody's around someone who is
in a successful and certainly long term relationship, they asked
this question, so we'll ask it of you answered, however,
you like, what.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Is the secret to relationship success?
Speaker 7 (54:26):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (54:27):
I hate when people say this.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Oh yeah, they always ask.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
The question. Is good to me? It's like purely communication,
But I mean it's in it's setting a standard of communication.
Though I think it's not just like, yeah, we have
to speak to one another. It's the type and style
of communication, what you expect to hear from the other
(54:55):
person and from yourself, all the things you know, that
encapsulates everything we've just talked about. Where there's no judgment.
It's like better out than in, Like let's not harbor
any resentments towards one another, and it's not necessarily like,
oh it's so much work. If you set that precedent
for yourselves, then it's a habit and it's not something
(55:18):
you have to think about. And I think pretty early
on we establish that. And it's also really rewarding when
you realize there's like new levels to communication, Like, oh,
I thought we were being really open with each other,
but we just unlocked the next level of this somehow.
And that only happens through embracing that and like charging
(55:39):
right through it when you get into those sticky situations.
But yeah, I think just communication.
Speaker 6 (55:46):
Yeah, I think that goes hand in hand with openness.
I feel like I look at all the people I
know that are in relationships or have been in relationships,
and when I see relationships that are in really rough
spots and are at risk, I think it's because one
or both partners aren't open to a new perspective to
(56:09):
a different person, right, because we all we only we
only perceive people to act the same way that we act.
You know, Like if I if I think, if I
have a certain mechanism in my head, I'm going to
assume that everyone else thinks that same way too, and
that's going to clash unless.
Speaker 7 (56:25):
You're open to other perspectives. And to me, that is
what works. Yeah, because I think not to on what you're.
Speaker 6 (56:31):
Saying, but like, I think communication is vital to a relationship,
but communication also can lead to honesty as far as
maybe that you shouldn't stay together, and I think that's
important to communicate about. But I think when we're talking
about like keeping a relationship going, I think you just
have to be open to changing and being open to
(56:51):
someone that's different than you, because there's never going to
be a perfect relationship.
Speaker 7 (56:57):
It doesn't exist.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
I do think I co signed that because there's been
I can't take the amount of times I've learned that
over and over again in this relationship where it's like, oh,
I don't need an apology, but he needs an apology
for example, and unlearning that everything needs to be from
just my strict point of view and being open to
(57:21):
the compromise and making sure he's getting what he needs
from me. Yeah, you taught me that.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
That's awesome, And I think so many people are focused
on getting what they need. They're not They're not actually
doing what relationships will require, which is for you to
figure out what the other person needs.
Speaker 5 (57:38):
Yeah, because you want the other person to be happy
and fulfilled, and that means that you are a part
of that and accomplishing that for that person, and that
should be fulfilling for you. It is for me, I
know it is for both of us. So it's yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:54):
Very oh, Kevin and Austin. You guys have been amazing.
We have learned so much from you. I know our
listeners have to. It's so cool to hear your love
story and to see your relationship. And you have a
deep friendship too on top of it. But I love
the fun you have, I love the humor you have,
and just thank you for sharing it with us.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
We appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (58:16):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (58:17):
This lovely I fully expect a double date.
Speaker 6 (58:21):
Yes, it was not kidding, yea honestly, And I feel
like significantly more in love than I did when I
woke up.
Speaker 7 (58:30):
So not that I wasn't in love when.
Speaker 5 (58:32):
I woke up, but we needed I'll send you a venmo.
Thank you so much for this.
Speaker 4 (58:39):
Well, Happy Valentine's Day.
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