August 7, 2024 • 50 mins
Amy and T.J. are joined by Armie Hammer’s mother Dru for a completely candid conversation about the actor’s legal battles as she shares how he’s really doing today.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, folks, people who know Armie Hammer spoke up about
him publicly and it cost him his career. Well, someone
who probably knows him better than anyone is speaking up
publicly now, his mama, and she is here with us
on this episode, Robes, we're revisiting. There's a little distance
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between that controversy and I remember it so well with
Armie Hammer, and I know you probably covered it at
some point. I probably covered at some point, but some
I don't remember a whole lot of details, except for
one unfortunately that stuck in people's minds that from our understanding,
wasn't even true.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
He was accused just people looked at his texts and
certainly had I think three women specifically who he had
been seeing come out and share some texts and share
some of his personal life that maybe none of us
ever even wanted to know. And there were accusations of
criminal behavior. But the big one, of course, was that
Armie Hammer, it's even hard to say, was a cannibal,
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and he is refutely denied that from the beginning, and
we should mention too, with all of the allegations of
any sort of criminal romdoing, he was completely cleared of
that by the Los Angeles Police Department, who took their
time truly investigating him for months and months and said
there is not enough evidence to pursue any charges.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So all of that said, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We have learned, and so many people have learned, in
the court of public opinion, perception becomes reality. The facts
tend to be forgotten and people just remember the catchy
click baity headlines, and that, as we've seen personally and
in so many other cases, can ruin someone's career soever.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So that's what we're talking. This is the guy who's
never been charged with anything necessarily. I mean, he was
never goes far as convicted, he was never charged with anything,
but he lost a career, a career that was going really, really,
really really well. Obviously, a lot of people listening to
our voices are very familiar with a lot of his work,
and in the past several years that has dried up
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for him. So what's next we don't know, But his
mom is speaking out about it in a new book
that she has to go through. I guess they're some
family history, what she has done, what she has accomplished,
but also being there for her son and talking about
what he went through in the book.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Is called Hammered by Drew Hammer, and we have the
pleasure of having Drew with us on the podcast today.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Drew, thank you so much for being with us, and
how are you doing.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I'm doing great and actually you don't even need me.
That was the perfect introduction at all.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
But we can get down to Submitigrid.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
What did we get it right? And again you're very
as you're closer to it than anybody. But did we
get right? I guess what kind of your son went
through and where we are now, I think.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
You did get it right.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
They actually, the Los Angeles Police Department did a two
and a half year investigation and with the perfect storm
that it was being during COVID, people were, you know,
in their homes, they weren't.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
In the office place.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It was kind of a feeding frenzy and the funniest
Well no, it's not funny actually, but I will say
I was saying that subjectively. But also when you read
that your son is a cannibal, of course I pick
up the phone and I was like, Armie, I just
have a question for you. Are there any women out
there with limbs missing?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I mean, do you know what you have to do
to be a cannibal, you have to actually eat somebody.
And he said, Mom, I've heard you say, oh my gosh,
that baby's so cute.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I could eat them up.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And you mix alcohol, you mix drugs, you mix I
would say sexual tension, maybe in Texas, and it's certainly
something a mother does not want to hear, so you
can imagine. But I was very respectful through the whole thing,
because you can imagine I had Vanity Fair all the
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publications calling me wanting my perspective because I knew the girls.
One of them even stayed in my home over Thanksgiving
and was madly in love with Armies. So I did
know that the relationships were consensual. And how I sum
it up is he was not criminally wrong, because when
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you accuse someone of rape and then you stalk them
for two and a half years after that, there's no
case there. And when Gloria already drops the case, you
know there's no base there. Because Army's attorney said, you
know tons, I would say, probably hundreds of texts of
person stalking Army after accusing him of that, but nobody
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knows that, and Army would not come out and speak
about any of it. And because of that, of course
I was going to be respectful. But as I wrote
the book, the book is not necessarily just about Army.
I have two sons. They're amazing. You know, our whole
family crashed and burned. But I did send him both
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my sons chapter eighteen, and I said, let me know.
If there's something that A is not right, you know,
B you do not want me to talk about or
is not appropriate, I'm happy to take any of it
out because you're my sons and I want to respect you.
And Army's response was, Mom, I think you handled it
beautifully because I say in there, I don't believe he
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was criminally wrong, and I believe that's been proven, but
he was morally wrong. And I know because I've been
in a marriage with infidelities. But to me, my choice
was to forgive. I would have never gone out and
been in the trades and spoken about anything in our
relationship because I think it's very private. And I was
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raised in a very strong Christian home and my parents
taught us the importance of forgiveness. And with my former husband,
he's now passed away, but we were incredibly good friends
and we spent holidays together with our grandchildren.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
And I loved him. He was the love of my life.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And I know he loved me, and he would call
me begging me, how did I do this? I made
the biggest mistake in my life. And I'm like, yep,
you sure did. But I forgive you. And I think
forgiveness is a very strong tool.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It certainly is.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And you've said that Army is not criminally wrong, but
you know, you just said again there that he made
some mistakes when it comes to morality, are you Are
you simply talking about the infidelities he had while married
when you say you felt like he made morally bad choices,
what specifically are you referencing?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Well, the infidelities, but also I think when you're in
Hollywood and there's a lot thrown at you. And Army
also had to deal with something which I cover in
the book and I probably won't get into detail of this,
but he dealt with something at fourteen that was very
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harmful to him. And of course you know, unfortunately it
happened in a youth group at church. So when that
happens to a child, you can tend to blame God.
And I always say people will fail us, but God
will never fail us.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
And God is faithful.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
But I think as a parent, I would love to
say this that when things happen that are not right,
I didn't handle it properly because the perpetrator, if you will,
grooms not only this, but grooms the parents. This young
man traveled with us, went on family vacations with us,
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would look us in the eyes, would go to dinner
with us, and then all of a sudden, Army said
I'm not going back. When he absolutely loved his youth group,
and because he took the blame himself, he told us
nothing really happened, and it did, and I wish I
would have handled it better. So really, this book is
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so much about can you forgive? And if it's hard
to forgive, there is a God who will help you forgive.
And I always say you can call God a crutch.
I remember I was on one of Army's movie sets
and guy Ritchie goes, I heard, you're one of those
born again Christians. I think it's such a crutch. And
I said, well, maybe it's a crutch, but you and
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I have both been through very difficult divorces. And what
I will see is when I needed even more than
a crutch. God carried me and he goes damn. That
was a good answer.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I just think it the truth.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
So the reason why I wrote the book is, yes,
you know, our family crashed and burned. There was a
terrible documentary that came out and the aunt who did
the documentary had not even seen Army since he was
seven years old. She didn't even know us. And then
the girls in it. You know, I didn't watch all
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of it because it's just hard watching that, especially when
your son's just being completely crucified. And I was even
on a podcast the other day and they were like,
did you see behavior where your son was killing animals
when he was a child, And I'm.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Like, what are you kidding me? What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
You know, listen, we all know how vicious press could be, right,
yes we do. I am not out for press personally.
My book is about that when you crash and burn,
I said, our family, When you go through things, and
you go through things in public, it just multiplies it
that many times more. And when you crash and burn,
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there's two ways you can handle this. You can be bitter.
And I meet women all the time who have been
through divorce, and I was just so astonished because they
would be so venomous and talking so horribly about their
ex spouse. And I at first thought, I said, oh, well,
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did you just go through divorce. Oh no, it's been
fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
So I'm like.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
That for fifteen years. I said, by the way, it
doesn't hurt him. He's moved on with your best friend.
And oh, I said, you're hurting yourself by that. And
when my former husband passed away this past year, and
on top of that, you know, then Armies and Victor's
father died of brain cancer. So we've just been through
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a lot in our family. But I would go to
the hospital and I would or go to his home
before he was in the hospital, and I would climb
in bed with him and put my arms around him
and say, I love you, and I've always loved you
as you know, the father of my children, and you know,
I exonerate you for being such an incredible father to
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our children. I'd lay in bed with him and pray
over him, and I have no regrets. Of course, I
have sadness because I loved him, but I just think
it's how we treat adversity in our lives is how
it really really shapes our futures.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And you sound so much like my mama and my parents,
and really and some of that, some of the things
you're saying can only come from experience, and surely you
and your family have had some to an extent A
lot of people hopefully can never understand and will understand.
But you said something. I know you didn't want to
get a details about it, but it stood out to me.
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And I want to ask about Army at fourteen years old? Right?
Did you something happened when he was fourteen? You can
get into it as much as you want or as loud
as you want, but a lot that's going to a
lot of people's ears are going to come up. So
I'm going back to it. But did you did you
know when? Did you know about it? You said he
didn't tell you necessarily as things were happening to him.
Did you find out about it? I mean months later,
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weeks later, it was even years later? And how do
you now view that episode of his life and you
being there? And maybe do you have any guilt or
maybe wish that maybe I didn't catch something there or
didn't do something in that moment to help my son.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yes, and you always wish. You can always look back
and say should have, could have, would have. I wished
I'd had done more. But basically Army talks about it.
He came out with an article in airmail and he
goes into much more detail. And again I believe that's
his story, but we can probably you know, guestimate.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
What it was.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
But when he came to us, he just said, I'm
not going anymore because I'm uncomfortable. Well, obviously, as a parent,
you go uncomfortable. I mean, this was your favorite place
in the world. You live for Friday nights to go
to Malibu, your youth group. And he said, look, we
took them to a child Christian psychiatrist or psychologists, i
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should say, and he went three or four times, and
he said, I don't need to go anymore because nothing happened.
I was able to be a whistleblower. It did happen
to several other young boys in the youth group, and
I took it at face value. And it's not that
my son was intentionally lying to us. But children tend
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to have shame and they have guilt that it was
their fault, so they say, oh, nothing happened. Nothing happened,
And then I found out five years ago that things
did happen. You look back as a mother and you're like,
oh my gosh, why didn't I do more? Why didn't I?
You know, So I really pray that I have a
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platform to kind of give parents signs and are not
going to come to you and for the most part
and say this, this and this happened, you know, because
again they're ashamed and they feel like it's their fault
when it absolutely is not. Because that older person has
the power over them.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, they've been groomed to believe it's their fault. That
makes a lot of sense. I have a question for you, Drew.
How close were you with Army before the scandal broke
and then how close are you now?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well, I'll tell you what happened is he knows, you know,
he jokes around and calls me the church lady, and
you know, I literally tell him, Armie Hammer.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
I just want you to know.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
One thing, you do not have a chance in hell
because you have a praying mama and it's not going
to happen. But when he was going through it, this
is actually kind of a funny story is we were
in contact, but he knew. You know, I am not
a popular mom. I'm not going to win any popularity contest.
I'm a mother and I don't read retirement in the Bible.
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So now I am very close to both my sons,
but I'm still their mothers. And he would be on
Jimmy Kimmel and he would say, oh man, you know,
he'd tell a story and he'd say, my mother is
going to hate this story.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
I would pick.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Up that phone and go, you're right, I hate that story.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I didn't raise you that way. I don't want you
living that way. And I'll tell you another funny thing.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
He was over one day and I would call him
and he knew why I was calling. You know, I'd
be going, why are you saying these things? Why are
you writing these things? So he sometimes wouldn't call me back.
So I took his phone and took out Mama and
put Paramount Studios.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh, oh, yes, I did.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I waited a couple of days and then I call
up and he's like hello, and I'm like, you're so busted.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Oh my goodness, what would you change in my phone
to make sure I answered, yeah, daughter, that's a good point.
That's a good point. Hey, why is it we we
were guilty of this or we made a misstep that
when things were happening, we didn't come out publicly and
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speak and clear the record, and maybe things would have
been different. We tried, We thought we were doing the
right thing by being quiet. Let it run its cycle.
Nobody's gonna believe this foolishness that people are lying about.
D Why didn't your son speak? Why didn't he want
and all that time come out and just defend himself?
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And some say save his career possibly by doing so.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I think a.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Lot of it is he told me one time, he said, Mom,
I will never say anything disparagingly against the mother of
my children.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And you know you said that the protective mother, and
you wanted to be let loose, You wanted to defend
your son. You honored where he was, and so you
chose not to speak. But what would you have said
in those first few days, even those first few weeks,
when just everything just kept piling up and mounting up,
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How would you have defended army when it all started
to break.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I would have probably said read the textas and the
emails between the girls that were let out impress but
died immediately. And I will say this, I think there
is absolutely a place for the me too movement. There
is a place for cancel culture because there are things
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that happen that are not right. But I also believe
that cancel culture and me too can sometimes go too far,
and they can accuse people without ever having, you know,
any proof whatsoever. And a lot of people got canceled
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and got destroyed when there was no evidence. It was
just he said, she said. And I think that's a
very dangerous tool. I think there always needs to be
both sides need to have the right to share their side.
And Army did let out just a few little things,
you know, like some of the stalking Texas, you know,
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showing up on movie sets, and that was never put
out in press. It just died because let's be honest,
sweet Hallmark stories don't sell dirt cells.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
And it became yet.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
And it becomes a feeding frenzy. And again it happened
during COVID when people are shut up in their homes,
and it just becomes this feeding frenzy and grows and
grows and grows. So you know, I really admire Army
because I'm not sure I would have had the maturity to.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Be quiet like that.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
And yeah, I just really admire him, and of course
I respect my son, but you know, as a mama bear,
I'm like, well, if you're not going to say anything,
can I? But we just both decided we are not
going to fight back in the press because you cannot win.
And I had a pastor say one time, he said,
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if you come to your own defense, it's the only
defense you're going to have. Let God come to your defense.
And that's kind of what I've done. And I said,
you know what, God, it's never in my timing. What
happened to Army happened over twenty three or four years ago.
And did I want it solved, then absolutely, But God's
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timing is different. And Army will tell you he was
just on Piers Morgan and he said, I've lost, you know,
my career money, and you know, let's be honest. He's
not begging on a street corner. But I was also
a very strict mother because there's nothing worse than a
spoiled child. And I had a friend once say I
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had up my child's her allowance because you know, valley
parking is so expensive in la and I go, well,
I don't even give my children enough money to go
to restaurants that have valley.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I love that. That is exactly that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
For my kids.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And I was raised in this amazing godly family, and
my parents were not religious. They loved the Lord, and
they found God in their thirties, their late twenties, their
early thirties, so they had a beautiful perspective. It wasn't
about religion. My dad said to me one time, he said,
drew the longest distance in the world is twelve inches.
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It's moving God from here to here. And that's why
in my book, I even put a little prayer at
the bottom of each paragraph, end of each chapter. Excuse me,
because prayer to me is conversation with God. You all
have children. I have two sons. I brought them into
this world because I want a relationship with them. And
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I believe God is the creator of the universe, and
I believe he brought us into this world because He
desires a relationship with us. And that's why humans are physical, mental,
and spiritual beings. And God desires a relationship with us,
and it's not about reading some wrote prayer, you know,
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on a bulletin. Prayer is conversation with God. And I
can honestly say I got through this when we were
being you know, basically roasted on a fire like a marshmallow.
But I got through it because I had a safety net.
I had God that I turned to, and I taught
my sons to turn to God. And Army has come
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full circle. And he'll say, now, it's the best thing
that's ever happened to me. He got sober five months
before he even went to rehab. He went to rehab
for five months after that, and then of course it
comes out that it was a publicity stunt. Every actor
you know who's being canceled goes to rehab, you know,
for a publicity stunt. And I said, well, maybe for
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thirty days, but he said, Mom, I'm not coming home
until I feel like I'm well as a human being.
And you know, it's been a struggle, it's been tough.
But again, I just I came out with the book
now because I really believe my story has come full
circle and I've been through a lot of things that
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many people have been through. I've just probably been through
all of them. I mean, you know, I can count,
I can check them off, let me tell you. But
I just want to tell people. I just think this
world now, there's so little hope in people today, and
I just believe that God is a God of hope.
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And that's why I did this AI project and it's
called get Hope dot ai and you can there's a
website for that dot ai and there's also an app
for it. And it's over a thousand questions of what
does the Bible say? Because I do believe that the
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Bible is a daily manual that God gives us. You know,
if you buy a computer, you have to learn how
to use it, and I believe the Bible is our
daily man well, And it's fifteen hundred questions total about
my book, my life and what does the Bible say?
And I also did a three hundred and sixty five
journey that you can also get on that website or
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on Drewville dot com. And my company name is Drewville
because I've renovated over forty properties. I love real estate
and the creative outlet. And my sons tell everyone they
grew up in Hooveville because I decorate with hot pinks
and live greens and lemon yellows, so I thought, well,
Drewville seems pretty appropriate if they grew.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Up at Hoover.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
All of this is going in. Most of the proceeds
except for expenses and employees and all that are going
into my foundation because I really want to help people.
I work with abused children, I've worked with human trafficking victims.
I you know, I help with women having gone through
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divorce and men who are left absolutely penniless, and you know,
so I really believe that sometimes the world gives us lemons,
but God can turn them to lemonade. And I have
such a passion because I did go through these things.
So I do believe everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Is this the toughest thing what you and you crashed
and burned? I wrote wrote that down. But what happened
with your son with Army and what the family went
through at the time, was that the toughest thing you've
experienced in life? And if not, I guess what were
some of those other challenges? Like you said, you've been
through it all, but I guess it was this one
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of certainly the toughest, if not the toughest thing you've
experienced with family.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Well, yeah, I'm you know, just saying a mother is
as happy as her least happy child. And I have
one son that is this rule keeper and he has
his MBA and with Morgan Stanley, and you know, we
go to football games in high school and be home
at nine o'clock at night.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
He was just a rule keeper.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
So they're totally opposite, and a left side of praying
and the other one.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
James Dobson, this wonderful Bible teacher for years, he described
children like grocery carts. You can go to the grocery
store and you can get that cart, wear one finger,
and that cart will go straight down the aisle exactly
where it should go. And there's the others that you
put your entire weight behind it, and that cart is
going to go where it wants to go, no matter
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what you say or do about it. But that's the
beauty of life. I love it that children can come
out of the same womb and be so totally opposite.
But I would actually long way around to answer that question.
I would say my divorce was the first hardest thing
that I've ever been through. No, that's not true. Army
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going through that. Yes, the cancel, but I was already
divorced when the cancel culture and we found out the
severity of Army situation. I was married for twenty five years.
I loved him. We met on an airplane. He was
from a Russian Jewish family, armand Hammer's only grandson. And
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I was thrown into a crazy world. You know, here
I am.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I was two.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Stepping on the weekends at Oklahoma State University, and I'm
thrown in this crazy world in Beverly Hills, And all
of a sudden, I'm flying on armand seven twenty seven
around the world and meeting with Princess Die And I's
a crazy world. I'm not name dropping it just it
is what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh, you can drop a name like princes Died.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I mean, if you've had that experience, why not share it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Well, In the third time I met her, I shared
christ with her because we you know, we were young,
and we were thrown into the same situation several times
at different events. And the third time she came up
to me and she said, you know, Drew, I'm so sorry.
And at first I went, wait, princess died, knows my name.
How wack adoodle is that? But you know, God put
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me together with certain people and I was able to
share Christ with her, and details are in my book.
I know, we don't have the time to go into it.
And Armond, a ninety one year old Russian Jew, when
his wife passed away, called me because I used to
always talk to him about Christ and I didn't know
enough to be intimidated by the family. I walked into
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their home and there were Modiglianis. I didn't even know
what they were. I mean, I was so uncultured.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I'm cultured. I'm uncultured as well.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
You have to tell me, well, it's like a Monet
or a ren Lack or artist.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You're talking to two people who lived in the South
as well, went to state school. So we're right there
with you. We would have been in the same position
as you exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
And you know that does that's not happiness anyway. I
always say nobody goes to heaven with U haul.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Right, that's so true.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So anyway, Armand called me when his wife died and said, Drew,
you have something.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I don't have.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I go, well, the only thing I have that you
don't have is Jesus is my Messiah. And he said, yes,
I know, and I need that. So I ended up
having the privilege of leading the entire family, except for
the aunt who did the documentary, but that's another whole story.
But hey, I still pray for her.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I love her.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
She's part of the family, She's a hammer I love her,
and I pray that I get an opportunity to share
God with her again that.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
God loves her.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
So you know, I was obviously put in that family
for a reason, and when I went through the divorce,
it really broke me. I was so broken. We had
been married twenty five years and we never fought. But again,
I hope God gives me the platform to share this
because he was severely abused as a child armand only
(29:43):
had one child, And how do you compete with doctor
armandhammer right who bought Occidental Petroleum with three employees and
paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars is a tax
write off, So how do you compete with that. He's
all over the world and his son was an alcoholic
addicted to prescription pills. I would go to his home
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and there'd be pornography all over the house, and I
didn't even know people like that existed. I grew up
in this little Christian bubble in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I
always say Tulsa is the buckle of the Bible belt.
But God had a reason. But when I went through divorce,
I was so heartbroken because my parents prayed their whole
(30:29):
lives for the right godly mates. But here's what I wish.
I wish looking back that I knew then what I
know now, because he was severely abused as a child
emotionally in a lot of different ways, and we never
dealt with it, and it was under the carpet. And
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I believe if we would have been in Christian counseling,
because he did believe in God and he loved Jesus,
and I believe if he was in counseling, we would
have dealt with it and then we could have moved
on from there. But it was never dealt with and
because of that, I think infidelity was the way that
he acquired self esteem, if you will. But you know
(31:16):
what could a should have would Again, we can all
look back and say I wish I'd have done that.
I wish I hadn't done that, but reality is it happened.
I was heartbroken. But there's a great story in the
book where I went to Israel with Kathy Lee Gifford.
She took me there after my divorce and I had
a real God moment and God spoke to me and said,
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I found this little stone right in cesarea where Paul
stood trial. And when I picked it up. When I
first went to Israel, I was like a Stepford wife.
I just shut down all of my emotions because I
was I'm a little stubborn and I'm like, I'm not
even going to cry through this divorce. I will never
show him that, you know what he's done to me.
(31:58):
How ridiculous is that? Right? So, as I was in Israel,
when I picked up this stone, it was a stone
that looked like a jeweler had hammered it. And actually
this is taken from the original mold of the stone.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You've got it around your neck. Wow.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
And when I was holding this stone, the Lord spoke
to me, and it felt like warm oil was being
poured over my body. And I wasn't sure I was
going to be okay at that time. And when I
was holding this stone, God spoke to me, and he said, Drew,
I'm going to take your heart of stone and I'm
going to turn it to flesh, and I'm going to
heal your heart. And I'm not going to say my
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life was easy from then on, because it wasn't. I've
been through a lot, but I knew I was going
to be okay because God was there with me.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That is a beautiful story and transformative.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's interesting you say that your son, you know, he
has been starting to speak up and speak out.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You mentioned Peers Morgan. I think he did a podcast too.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I don't know which place he said this, but he said,
had none of this gone on, speaking about being canceled,
my life would have kept going exactly as it was.
And I know that that would ultimately only lead to
one place, and that's death.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yes, do you think your son was.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
His life was at risk the way he was living,
and that this almost had to happen the way it
happened for him to find life and to find a
better way of life.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Well, it's interesting because I'm not sure he was really
an alcoholic or a drug edict. He just did everything
to extreme to mask this pain because he quit drinking,
you know, Robert Downey Junior called to him and said,
I think I need to pay it forward. Do you
want to get sober? And he said, yes, I do.
(34:01):
He said, I'm calling you at nine am, and if
you're serious, answer the phone and let's get started. He's
never taken a drink or done drug since. But one
of the reasons why he said that is because mom,
I did everything in extreme and you know he was
if you will, he was a happy drunk and I
(34:21):
mean life of the party. But he said, I have
so many friends who didn't stop, and because of fentanyl
and everything that's happening in the drugs. He said, I've
had three friends die. And he said that could have
so easily happened to me, and he was basically going
(34:42):
down the wrong road. So in a way, I can
thank God that all this happened, even though it was
excruciating to him. He was in an unhappy marriage. They
were both unhappy, and he likened it in the Pierce Morgan.
I'm not saying anything out of hand, but he said,
when you start in you'r a few degrees off. Each
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year you get further and further away to where you're
completely going in separate directions and you've severed your ties.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You said he's sober. Now, how long has he been sober?
He said, no alcohol, no drugs. How long has it
been there?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Four years?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Four years? Okay? Can I ask this, mam? How is
he doing today compared to the height of his career
that you've seen and enjoying wild success? You still know
him on a personal level. It's wild to We can
understand it because it seems incredible to think that after
people go through something that your son went through. We
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can understand because we can say, good guy, we are
better off and happier because of the worst hell we
went through about a year and a half ago. But
how is he doing today and how close is he
to possibly acting again?
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Well, I can honestly say, and he will tell you
he is the happiest that he's ever been because now
he is an incredible father to his children. He has
a very peaceful relationship with his former wife. You know,
he shows up every morning at seven when I would
(36:20):
go visit them in the Caymans. He goes every morning
at seven am to get his children. He makes them
breakfast with his former wife and they feed their children together.
He takes them to school, he picks them up after school.
He said, Mom, I'm sober, and I'm able to enjoy
and love my children like I was always supposed to be.
(36:45):
And does he want to work again. Absolutely, He's written
a script and he always already has a few people interested.
And does he want to get back. Absolutely. And I
can honestly say when he was twelve years old, or
actually might have been ten, we were living in the
Cayman Islands at the time, and he came to me
and he said, Mom, I'm going to be an actor
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when I grow up. And being the ever encouraging mother
that I am. I'm like, that's the worst occupation in
the world. The percentage of people making it is so small.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
It's a life of rejection.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
You know, there's so much debauchery in Hollywood being the
ever supportive mother. And we made an agreement, my husband
and I we said, you know what, Army, we watch
a lot of these kids actors, and I see mothers
living vicuriously through their children. I will never be a
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you know, a mom that is going to do that.
But I do believe if that's something that God has
put on your heart, I believe it'll happen, but you're
going to wait till you get your driver's license and
can drive yourself, because I.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Want you to have a normal childhood.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Well, little did I know it was not normal because
of the incident that happened to fourteen. Excuse me, but
I said, you know, I've told both my sons, if
it's God, it's going to work out, and it's going
to happen, but you got to put the hard work
into it. And he went through seven years of beating
the pavement. People think he just walked into it and
(38:24):
became an actor, you know, and we told him. You know,
he booked social What was that show that he was
in with Blake Lively my mind.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Just gossip Girl maybe gossip Girl, thank you.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Well, he was a freshman going to UCLA and booked
gossip Girl and it was in New York and it
was a six week series and basically the rest was
history after that. But I prayed and I said, God,
if this is what you have for my son, give
me a sign. And do you know the first movie
he ever booked, he played Billy Graham and it was
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a small independent movie called Billy the Early Years, and
it is the sweetest movie. He carried the entire movie
and he'd never been in a movie before. But here's
the great part. We all flew to Nashville and he
was filming this scene where he's in this little church
where Billy Graham first started ministry, and he gives an
(39:18):
actual sermon, part of a sermon that Billy Graham gave
from all of his old writings, and at the very
end he holds his hands out and he says, give
your life to Christ. Well, I mean the church, lady,
I was a disaster. I'm like sobbing in the pews,
and I'm like, okay, God, I let go.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I released. This is what you called him to do.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
But again, it doesn't mean it's all going to be
hunky Doris, Right.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah, you had to go through what he went through.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
And now I leave and I say, Armie, you after
filming Social Network, you had Clint Eastwood call you and
say I want you to star in my next movie
with Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
That was j Edker, and so.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I knew he had talent or that wouldn't be happening.
So I said, Armie, if you had that talent while
you were medicating and drinking a lot and doing drugs.
Can you imagine what you could do now being sober?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Wow, that's amazing, you know, listening to how you raised
him and how close you all are and how close
your family is. I mean, it's really powerful. I'm curious
as a mom, what was like? Where were you when
you started to hear some of these allegations and was
there any part of you that believed them?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
How shocked were you?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I just I can't imagine as a mom what those
moments must have been like. And I'm just curious how
you received them and how you reacted.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Well.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I was heartbroken, and first of all, you know, nobody
wants to think that their parents ever have sex, right,
I mean, let's just get down that corrective.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Right, Yeah, Jesus see.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
It in movies. I don't want to hear about it.
I don't want to hear lude texas that my son
and other girls wrote to each other. It's just downright creepy.
That's all there is to it. But then again, you know,
are you going to let it destroy you or are
you going to be the mom that calls him up
and say, you know what, no matter what, you are,
(41:27):
my son and I love you and I will always
be praying for you, because I know God has a
plan for your life.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Drew, do you think that there are people out there
who actually believe your son is a cannibal?
Speaker 5 (41:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I mean, I can't imagine. It's pretty hard to imagine,
to be perfectly honest. And again, you know I have
said before, oh my gosh, that baby, I could.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Just eat you up. I'm not eating that baby.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
So I think it was all circumstantial what he wrote
in stupid text being high and drunk, and you know,
girls throwing themselves at him. Sorry, but I basically say
in my book that I think these young girls saw
him as mister Wright and he saw them as ms
(42:20):
right now, so it wasn't morally right. And he says,
I take responsibility. Did I take advantage being the older
person and being the actor, And you know, you can
imagine he had girls throwing himself themselves at him. He
takes responsibility for that. But again, you know I met
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them and one of them stayed in my home. I
had dinner with them, and they were madly in love
with him.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
And did you reach out? I believe I saw that
you reached out to two of them, after all of
this happened and came out, one.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Of them kept writing that, you know, he tied her
down and carved an a on her, and you know,
and she actually was standing in my dining room and
was so proud of it and showed it to me
and it's this little bitty tiny a and she was
proud of it, saying, oh, look what I had Army do.
(43:21):
So when she was saying that, I just told her,
I said, I'm so happy I had the opportunity to
meet you. But in my dining room, you showed it
to me and you were very proud of that. And
you know, next thing, she was being tied down and
you know whatever. I don't need to get into details.
But and after that, I never did it again because
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you know, what's the point.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Okay, well, okay, church lady, Mama hammer let me.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I got to ask this.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
But it's one thing emotions, heartbreak, relationships. We have all
been there and done things that were silly and we're
not proud of. But it's another level when someone makes
allegations that destroy somebody's life and career. That's different. You
can gotch scratch his car, you know, but a knife
(44:11):
and is tired. There are other options. I'm not saying
those are good ones, but what does it tell you?
Help us understand? And you met these women, that's another
level of anger and emotion that goes just beyond I'm hurt.
This was like a concerted effort to do harm by
telling the most vicious like you say, of lies. Help
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us understand these women and why it went that far?
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Well, and I think as well is they are influencers,
and they went from having several thousand followers to you
can imagine every single one of them, and we have
texts and emails that they all colluded together. But then again,
it all gets down to forgiveness. And I am not
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going to spend the rest of my life harboring unforgiveness.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
So you've forgiven those women, Well, you've forgiven those women.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
I actually feel sorry for them, and I would I
told one of them, both of them, two of them,
how much you know Jesus loves them.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
How did they respond?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Not?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Well, I can only imagine.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
But why not? Why wouldn't you respond? You were right,
It sounds like you were extending grace, but still it
wasn't received with grace.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
No, Actually, one of them went to a dinner with
Army's cousins and actually mocked me for it. But that's
okay because guess what if they mocked Jesus and Jesus
was ridiculed and mocked and you know, flogged and crucified.
If we're going to stand up for what's right and
(45:58):
for Jesus's way and his words, why would we expect
any differently? Right, I'm not running a popularity contest, and
if I was, I would not have written hammered because
I'm not running a popularity contest with the world. And
when I first moved to Beverly Hills, I would go
around sharing Christ with everybody, and most people weren't open
(46:21):
to it. So I went and led their housekeepers to Jesus.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Grand came in Secrets in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Have you watched? What do you think about it? Oh?
Speaker 5 (46:31):
My goodness, Wow.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
That's a hell of an endorsement there.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Well.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
I mean, if your grandchildren are on television, your former
you know, daughter in law is putting her life out there.
That's given everything that's happened, I can't that's got to
be a tough spot to be in.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
I'm just going to answer it this way. I love
my daughter in law, and I always want a relationship
with my grandchildren and I will never do anything to
sever those ties.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Okay, perfect answer, Well, can we get you out of
here on this? Will you please give some advice counsel
to everyone who's listening, who's on social media, and they're
so quick to jump on something that's hot, a hashtag,
a scandalous story, and one person says it and it
just goes like wildfire and it has consequences. Your son
(47:24):
lost a career because of some stuff that started floating
around on the internet. Can you give any all of
us what advice or counsel to just maybe take a
beat from this stuff and not be so quick to
jump and judge, just given where you're coming from, can
you give some advice to all of us which you
would all hope from us?
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Well, I think, first of all, social media is dangerous
in many ways. And you know, people put out this
persona that life's perfect, everything's great, and then it's the
people that sit at home and they're not happy and
they attack people who they believe are are happy, who
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are happy, I should say, and I think it's really damaging.
And here's what I would say, about it. I remember
that saying growing up as a child, sticks and stones
may break my bones, but words will never harm me.
I think that is the biggest lie that's ever been fed,
because I think words are the most cutting things in
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the world, and I think we have to remember that
hurt people hurt people. So I think it's people lashing
out from their own hurt and then trying to tear
down someone else to make them feel better. But instead
of that, I would always give the advice seek God
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and if you don't have hope, ask God to give
you hope instead of tearing down other people, because it
is very damaging to people to careers, and then you
have to think about the children involved, you know. And
that's one reason why Army wouldn't speak out, is he said,
you know, the more you speak about it, the more
it puts it out in the press, and then your
(49:10):
children are more damaged by it. So I forgive and
let's move on. This is a tough life, right, I
always say, this life is not for sissies.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
You were a mat Drew. Thank you so much. Thank
you for writing this book, Hammered, and thank you for
being on the podcast. You have just you have filled
all of us with hope. Your resilience and your faith
is inspiring.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Thank you so much. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
All right, well, yeah, of course the book Hammered is
out now. I think it comes with a copy of
the Bible.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I just.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Hammered is out now. We want to give people remind
you get hope dot Ai. All right, get hope dot Ai.
You can check that.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Out as well as buy the book.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
You can buy the book on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles,
or on my way website Drewville d R U D
I L L E dot com.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Thank you so much. We hope to see you back
here in New York all. Thank you so much, and folks,
you know where to find us as always on our
official Instagram at Amy and t J Podcast
Hey, folks, people who know Armie Hammer spoke up about
him publicly and it cost him his career. Well, someone
who probably knows him better than anyone is speaking up
publicly now, his mama, and she is here with us
on this episode, Robes, we're revisiting. There's a little distance
(00:25):
between that controversy and I remember it so well with
Armie Hammer, and I know you probably covered it at
some point. I probably covered at some point, but some
I don't remember a whole lot of details, except for
one unfortunately that stuck in people's minds that from our understanding,
wasn't even true.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
He was accused just people looked at his texts and
certainly had I think three women specifically who he had
been seeing come out and share some texts and share
some of his personal life that maybe none of us
ever even wanted to know. And there were accusations of
criminal behavior. But the big one, of course, was that
Armie Hammer, it's even hard to say, was a cannibal,
(01:08):
and he is refutely denied that from the beginning, and
we should mention too, with all of the allegations of
any sort of criminal romdoing, he was completely cleared of
that by the Los Angeles Police Department, who took their
time truly investigating him for months and months and said
there is not enough evidence to pursue any charges.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
So all of that said, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
We have learned, and so many people have learned, in
the court of public opinion, perception becomes reality. The facts
tend to be forgotten and people just remember the catchy
click baity headlines, and that, as we've seen personally and
in so many other cases, can ruin someone's career soever.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So that's what we're talking. This is the guy who's
never been charged with anything necessarily. I mean, he was
never goes far as convicted, he was never charged with anything,
but he lost a career, a career that was going really, really,
really really well. Obviously, a lot of people listening to
our voices are very familiar with a lot of his work,
and in the past several years that has dried up
(02:16):
for him. So what's next we don't know, But his
mom is speaking out about it in a new book
that she has to go through. I guess they're some
family history, what she has done, what she has accomplished,
but also being there for her son and talking about
what he went through in the book.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Is called Hammered by Drew Hammer, and we have the
pleasure of having Drew with us on the podcast today.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Drew, thank you so much for being with us, and
how are you doing.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I'm doing great and actually you don't even need me.
That was the perfect introduction at all.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
But we can get down to Submitigrid.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
What did we get it right? And again you're very
as you're closer to it than anybody. But did we
get right? I guess what kind of your son went
through and where we are now, I think.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
You did get it right.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
They actually, the Los Angeles Police Department did a two
and a half year investigation and with the perfect storm
that it was being during COVID, people were, you know,
in their homes, they weren't.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
In the office place.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It was kind of a feeding frenzy and the funniest
Well no, it's not funny actually, but I will say
I was saying that subjectively. But also when you read
that your son is a cannibal, of course I pick
up the phone and I was like, Armie, I just
have a question for you. Are there any women out
there with limbs missing?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I mean, do you know what you have to do
to be a cannibal, you have to actually eat somebody.
And he said, Mom, I've heard you say, oh my gosh,
that baby's so cute.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I could eat them up.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And you mix alcohol, you mix drugs, you mix I
would say sexual tension, maybe in Texas, and it's certainly
something a mother does not want to hear, so you
can imagine. But I was very respectful through the whole thing,
because you can imagine I had Vanity Fair all the
(04:20):
publications calling me wanting my perspective because I knew the girls.
One of them even stayed in my home over Thanksgiving
and was madly in love with Armies. So I did
know that the relationships were consensual. And how I sum
it up is he was not criminally wrong, because when
(04:42):
you accuse someone of rape and then you stalk them
for two and a half years after that, there's no
case there. And when Gloria already drops the case, you
know there's no base there. Because Army's attorney said, you
know tons, I would say, probably hundreds of texts of
person stalking Army after accusing him of that, but nobody
(05:04):
knows that, and Army would not come out and speak
about any of it. And because of that, of course
I was going to be respectful. But as I wrote
the book, the book is not necessarily just about Army.
I have two sons. They're amazing. You know, our whole
family crashed and burned. But I did send him both
(05:25):
my sons chapter eighteen, and I said, let me know.
If there's something that A is not right, you know,
B you do not want me to talk about or
is not appropriate, I'm happy to take any of it
out because you're my sons and I want to respect you.
And Army's response was, Mom, I think you handled it
beautifully because I say in there, I don't believe he
(05:48):
was criminally wrong, and I believe that's been proven, but
he was morally wrong. And I know because I've been
in a marriage with infidelities. But to me, my choice
was to forgive. I would have never gone out and
been in the trades and spoken about anything in our
relationship because I think it's very private. And I was
(06:10):
raised in a very strong Christian home and my parents
taught us the importance of forgiveness. And with my former husband,
he's now passed away, but we were incredibly good friends
and we spent holidays together with our grandchildren.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
And I loved him. He was the love of my life.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And I know he loved me, and he would call
me begging me, how did I do this? I made
the biggest mistake in my life. And I'm like, yep,
you sure did. But I forgive you. And I think
forgiveness is a very strong tool.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It certainly is.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And you've said that Army is not criminally wrong, but
you know, you just said again there that he made
some mistakes when it comes to morality, are you Are
you simply talking about the infidelities he had while married
when you say you felt like he made morally bad choices,
what specifically are you referencing?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Well, the infidelities, but also I think when you're in
Hollywood and there's a lot thrown at you. And Army
also had to deal with something which I cover in
the book and I probably won't get into detail of this,
but he dealt with something at fourteen that was very
(07:26):
harmful to him. And of course you know, unfortunately it
happened in a youth group at church. So when that
happens to a child, you can tend to blame God.
And I always say people will fail us, but God
will never fail us.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
And God is faithful.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
But I think as a parent, I would love to
say this that when things happen that are not right,
I didn't handle it properly because the perpetrator, if you will,
grooms not only this, but grooms the parents. This young
man traveled with us, went on family vacations with us,
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would look us in the eyes, would go to dinner
with us, and then all of a sudden, Army said
I'm not going back. When he absolutely loved his youth group,
and because he took the blame himself, he told us
nothing really happened, and it did, and I wish I
would have handled it better. So really, this book is
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so much about can you forgive? And if it's hard
to forgive, there is a God who will help you forgive.
And I always say you can call God a crutch.
I remember I was on one of Army's movie sets
and guy Ritchie goes, I heard, you're one of those
born again Christians. I think it's such a crutch. And
I said, well, maybe it's a crutch, but you and
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I have both been through very difficult divorces. And what
I will see is when I needed even more than
a crutch. God carried me and he goes damn. That
was a good answer.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I just think it the truth.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
So the reason why I wrote the book is, yes,
you know, our family crashed and burned. There was a
terrible documentary that came out and the aunt who did
the documentary had not even seen Army since he was
seven years old. She didn't even know us. And then
the girls in it. You know, I didn't watch all
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of it because it's just hard watching that, especially when
your son's just being completely crucified. And I was even
on a podcast the other day and they were like,
did you see behavior where your son was killing animals
when he was a child, And I'm.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Like, what are you kidding me? What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
You know, listen, we all know how vicious press could be, right,
yes we do. I am not out for press personally.
My book is about that when you crash and burn,
I said, our family, When you go through things, and
you go through things in public, it just multiplies it
that many times more. And when you crash and burn,
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there's two ways you can handle this. You can be bitter.
And I meet women all the time who have been
through divorce, and I was just so astonished because they
would be so venomous and talking so horribly about their
ex spouse. And I at first thought, I said, oh, well,
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did you just go through divorce. Oh no, it's been
fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
So I'm like.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
That for fifteen years. I said, by the way, it
doesn't hurt him. He's moved on with your best friend.
And oh, I said, you're hurting yourself by that. And
when my former husband passed away this past year, and
on top of that, you know, then Armies and Victor's
father died of brain cancer. So we've just been through
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a lot in our family. But I would go to
the hospital and I would or go to his home
before he was in the hospital, and I would climb
in bed with him and put my arms around him
and say, I love you, and I've always loved you
as you know, the father of my children, and you know,
I exonerate you for being such an incredible father to
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our children. I'd lay in bed with him and pray
over him, and I have no regrets. Of course, I
have sadness because I loved him, but I just think
it's how we treat adversity in our lives is how
it really really shapes our futures.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And you sound so much like my mama and my parents,
and really and some of that, some of the things
you're saying can only come from experience, and surely you
and your family have had some to an extent A
lot of people hopefully can never understand and will understand.
But you said something. I know you didn't want to
get a details about it, but it stood out to me.
(12:02):
And I want to ask about Army at fourteen years old? Right?
Did you something happened when he was fourteen? You can
get into it as much as you want or as loud
as you want, but a lot that's going to a
lot of people's ears are going to come up. So
I'm going back to it. But did you did you
know when? Did you know about it? You said he
didn't tell you necessarily as things were happening to him.
Did you find out about it? I mean months later,
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weeks later, it was even years later? And how do
you now view that episode of his life and you
being there? And maybe do you have any guilt or
maybe wish that maybe I didn't catch something there or
didn't do something in that moment to help my son.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yes, and you always wish. You can always look back
and say should have, could have, would have. I wished
I'd had done more. But basically Army talks about it.
He came out with an article in airmail and he
goes into much more detail. And again I believe that's
his story, but we can probably you know, guestimate.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
What it was.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
But when he came to us, he just said, I'm
not going anymore because I'm uncomfortable. Well, obviously, as a parent,
you go uncomfortable. I mean, this was your favorite place
in the world. You live for Friday nights to go
to Malibu, your youth group. And he said, look, we
took them to a child Christian psychiatrist or psychologists, i
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should say, and he went three or four times, and
he said, I don't need to go anymore because nothing happened.
I was able to be a whistleblower. It did happen
to several other young boys in the youth group, and
I took it at face value. And it's not that
my son was intentionally lying to us. But children tend
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to have shame and they have guilt that it was
their fault, so they say, oh, nothing happened. Nothing happened,
And then I found out five years ago that things
did happen. You look back as a mother and you're like,
oh my gosh, why didn't I do more? Why didn't I?
You know, So I really pray that I have a
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platform to kind of give parents signs and are not
going to come to you and for the most part
and say this, this and this happened, you know, because
again they're ashamed and they feel like it's their fault
when it absolutely is not. Because that older person has
the power over them.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, they've been groomed to believe it's their fault. That
makes a lot of sense. I have a question for you, Drew.
How close were you with Army before the scandal broke
and then how close are you now?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Well, I'll tell you what happened is he knows, you know,
he jokes around and calls me the church lady, and
you know, I literally tell him, Armie Hammer.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
I just want you to know.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
One thing, you do not have a chance in hell
because you have a praying mama and it's not going
to happen. But when he was going through it, this
is actually kind of a funny story is we were
in contact, but he knew. You know, I am not
a popular mom. I'm not going to win any popularity contest.
I'm a mother and I don't read retirement in the Bible.
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So now I am very close to both my sons,
but I'm still their mothers. And he would be on
Jimmy Kimmel and he would say, oh man, you know,
he'd tell a story and he'd say, my mother is
going to hate this story.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
I would pick.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Up that phone and go, you're right, I hate that story.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
I didn't raise you that way. I don't want you
living that way. And I'll tell you another funny thing.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
He was over one day and I would call him
and he knew why I was calling. You know, I'd
be going, why are you saying these things? Why are
you writing these things? So he sometimes wouldn't call me back.
So I took his phone and took out Mama and
put Paramount Studios.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh, oh, yes, I did.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I waited a couple of days and then I call
up and he's like hello, and I'm like, you're so busted.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Oh my goodness, what would you change in my phone
to make sure I answered, yeah, daughter, that's a good point.
That's a good point. Hey, why is it we we
were guilty of this or we made a misstep that
when things were happening, we didn't come out publicly and
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speak and clear the record, and maybe things would have
been different. We tried, We thought we were doing the
right thing by being quiet. Let it run its cycle.
Nobody's gonna believe this foolishness that people are lying about.
D Why didn't your son speak? Why didn't he want
and all that time come out and just defend himself?
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And some say save his career possibly by doing so.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I think a.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Lot of it is he told me one time, he said, Mom,
I will never say anything disparagingly against the mother of
my children.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And you know you said that the protective mother, and
you wanted to be let loose, You wanted to defend
your son. You honored where he was, and so you
chose not to speak. But what would you have said
in those first few days, even those first few weeks,
when just everything just kept piling up and mounting up,
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How would you have defended army when it all started
to break.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I would have probably said read the textas and the
emails between the girls that were let out impress but
died immediately. And I will say this, I think there
is absolutely a place for the me too movement. There
is a place for cancel culture because there are things
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that happen that are not right. But I also believe
that cancel culture and me too can sometimes go too far,
and they can accuse people without ever having, you know,
any proof whatsoever. And a lot of people got canceled
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and got destroyed when there was no evidence. It was
just he said, she said. And I think that's a
very dangerous tool. I think there always needs to be
both sides need to have the right to share their side.
And Army did let out just a few little things,
you know, like some of the stalking Texas, you know,
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showing up on movie sets, and that was never put
out in press. It just died because let's be honest,
sweet Hallmark stories don't sell dirt cells.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
And it became yet.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
And it becomes a feeding frenzy. And again it happened
during COVID when people are shut up in their homes,
and it just becomes this feeding frenzy and grows and
grows and grows. So you know, I really admire Army
because I'm not sure I would have had the maturity to.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Be quiet like that.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
And yeah, I just really admire him, and of course
I respect my son, but you know, as a mama bear,
I'm like, well, if you're not going to say anything,
can I? But we just both decided we are not
going to fight back in the press because you cannot win.
And I had a pastor say one time, he said,
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if you come to your own defense, it's the only
defense you're going to have. Let God come to your defense.
And that's kind of what I've done. And I said,
you know what, God, it's never in my timing. What
happened to Army happened over twenty three or four years ago.
And did I want it solved, then absolutely, But God's
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timing is different. And Army will tell you he was
just on Piers Morgan and he said, I've lost, you know,
my career money, and you know, let's be honest. He's
not begging on a street corner. But I was also
a very strict mother because there's nothing worse than a
spoiled child. And I had a friend once say I
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had up my child's her allowance because you know, valley
parking is so expensive in la and I go, well,
I don't even give my children enough money to go
to restaurants that have valley.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I love that. That is exactly that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
For my kids.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And I was raised in this amazing godly family, and
my parents were not religious. They loved the Lord, and
they found God in their thirties, their late twenties, their
early thirties, so they had a beautiful perspective. It wasn't
about religion. My dad said to me one time, he said,
drew the longest distance in the world is twelve inches.
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It's moving God from here to here. And that's why
in my book, I even put a little prayer at
the bottom of each paragraph, end of each chapter. Excuse me,
because prayer to me is conversation with God. You all
have children. I have two sons. I brought them into
this world because I want a relationship with them. And
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I believe God is the creator of the universe, and
I believe he brought us into this world because He
desires a relationship with us. And that's why humans are physical, mental,
and spiritual beings. And God desires a relationship with us,
and it's not about reading some wrote prayer, you know,
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on a bulletin. Prayer is conversation with God. And I
can honestly say I got through this when we were
being you know, basically roasted on a fire like a marshmallow.
But I got through it because I had a safety net.
I had God that I turned to, and I taught
my sons to turn to God. And Army has come
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full circle. And he'll say, now, it's the best thing
that's ever happened to me. He got sober five months
before he even went to rehab. He went to rehab
for five months after that, and then of course it
comes out that it was a publicity stunt. Every actor
you know who's being canceled goes to rehab, you know,
for a publicity stunt. And I said, well, maybe for
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thirty days, but he said, Mom, I'm not coming home
until I feel like I'm well as a human being.
And you know, it's been a struggle, it's been tough.
But again, I just I came out with the book
now because I really believe my story has come full
circle and I've been through a lot of things that
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many people have been through. I've just probably been through
all of them. I mean, you know, I can count,
I can check them off, let me tell you. But
I just want to tell people. I just think this
world now, there's so little hope in people today, and
I just believe that God is a God of hope.
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And that's why I did this AI project and it's
called get Hope dot ai and you can there's a
website for that dot ai and there's also an app
for it. And it's over a thousand questions of what
does the Bible say? Because I do believe that the
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Bible is a daily manual that God gives us. You know,
if you buy a computer, you have to learn how
to use it, and I believe the Bible is our
daily man well, And it's fifteen hundred questions total about
my book, my life and what does the Bible say?
And I also did a three hundred and sixty five
journey that you can also get on that website or
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on Drewville dot com. And my company name is Drewville
because I've renovated over forty properties. I love real estate
and the creative outlet. And my sons tell everyone they
grew up in Hooveville because I decorate with hot pinks
and live greens and lemon yellows, so I thought, well,
Drewville seems pretty appropriate if they grew.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Up at Hoover.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
All of this is going in. Most of the proceeds
except for expenses and employees and all that are going
into my foundation because I really want to help people.
I work with abused children, I've worked with human trafficking victims.
I you know, I help with women having gone through
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divorce and men who are left absolutely penniless, and you know,
so I really believe that sometimes the world gives us lemons,
but God can turn them to lemonade. And I have
such a passion because I did go through these things.
So I do believe everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Is this the toughest thing what you and you crashed
and burned? I wrote wrote that down. But what happened
with your son with Army and what the family went
through at the time, was that the toughest thing you've
experienced in life? And if not, I guess what were
some of those other challenges? Like you said, you've been
through it all, but I guess it was this one
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of certainly the toughest, if not the toughest thing you've
experienced with family.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Well, yeah, I'm you know, just saying a mother is
as happy as her least happy child. And I have
one son that is this rule keeper and he has
his MBA and with Morgan Stanley, and you know, we
go to football games in high school and be home
at nine o'clock at night.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
He was just a rule keeper.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
So they're totally opposite, and a left side of praying
and the other one.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
James Dobson, this wonderful Bible teacher for years, he described
children like grocery carts. You can go to the grocery
store and you can get that cart, wear one finger,
and that cart will go straight down the aisle exactly
where it should go. And there's the others that you
put your entire weight behind it, and that cart is
going to go where it wants to go, no matter
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what you say or do about it. But that's the
beauty of life. I love it that children can come
out of the same womb and be so totally opposite.
But I would actually long way around to answer that question.
I would say my divorce was the first hardest thing
that I've ever been through. No, that's not true. Army
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going through that. Yes, the cancel, but I was already
divorced when the cancel culture and we found out the
severity of Army situation. I was married for twenty five years.
I loved him. We met on an airplane. He was
from a Russian Jewish family, armand Hammer's only grandson. And
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I was thrown into a crazy world. You know, here
I am.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I was two.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Stepping on the weekends at Oklahoma State University, and I'm
thrown in this crazy world in Beverly Hills, And all
of a sudden, I'm flying on armand seven twenty seven
around the world and meeting with Princess Die And I's
a crazy world. I'm not name dropping it just it
is what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh, you can drop a name like princes Died.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I mean, if you've had that experience, why not share it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Well, In the third time I met her, I shared
christ with her because we you know, we were young,
and we were thrown into the same situation several times
at different events. And the third time she came up
to me and she said, you know, Drew, I'm so sorry.
And at first I went, wait, princess died, knows my name.
How wack adoodle is that? But you know, God put
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me together with certain people and I was able to
share Christ with her, and details are in my book.
I know, we don't have the time to go into it.
And Armond, a ninety one year old Russian Jew, when
his wife passed away, called me because I used to
always talk to him about Christ and I didn't know
enough to be intimidated by the family. I walked into
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their home and there were Modiglianis. I didn't even know
what they were. I mean, I was so uncultured.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I'm cultured. I'm uncultured as well.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
You have to tell me, well, it's like a Monet
or a ren Lack or artist.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
You're talking to two people who lived in the South
as well, went to state school. So we're right there
with you. We would have been in the same position
as you exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
And you know that does that's not happiness anyway. I
always say nobody goes to heaven with U haul.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Right, that's so true.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
So anyway, Armand called me when his wife died and said, Drew,
you have something.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I don't have.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
I go, well, the only thing I have that you
don't have is Jesus is my Messiah. And he said, yes,
I know, and I need that. So I ended up
having the privilege of leading the entire family, except for
the aunt who did the documentary, but that's another whole story.
But hey, I still pray for her.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I love her.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
She's part of the family, She's a hammer I love her,
and I pray that I get an opportunity to share
God with her again that.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
God loves her.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
So you know, I was obviously put in that family
for a reason, and when I went through the divorce,
it really broke me. I was so broken. We had
been married twenty five years and we never fought. But again,
I hope God gives me the platform to share this
because he was severely abused as a child armand only
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had one child, And how do you compete with doctor
armandhammer right who bought Occidental Petroleum with three employees and
paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars is a tax
write off, So how do you compete with that. He's
all over the world and his son was an alcoholic
addicted to prescription pills. I would go to his home
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and there'd be pornography all over the house, and I
didn't even know people like that existed. I grew up
in this little Christian bubble in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I
always say Tulsa is the buckle of the Bible belt.
But God had a reason. But when I went through divorce,
I was so heartbroken because my parents prayed their whole
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lives for the right godly mates. But here's what I wish.
I wish looking back that I knew then what I
know now, because he was severely abused as a child
emotionally in a lot of different ways, and we never
dealt with it, and it was under the carpet. And
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I believe if we would have been in Christian counseling,
because he did believe in God and he loved Jesus,
and I believe if he was in counseling, we would
have dealt with it and then we could have moved
on from there. But it was never dealt with and
because of that, I think infidelity was the way that
he acquired self esteem, if you will. But you know
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what could a should have would Again, we can all
look back and say I wish I'd have done that.
I wish I hadn't done that, but reality is it happened.
I was heartbroken. But there's a great story in the
book where I went to Israel with Kathy Lee Gifford.
She took me there after my divorce and I had
a real God moment and God spoke to me and said,
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I found this little stone right in cesarea where Paul
stood trial. And when I picked it up. When I
first went to Israel, I was like a Stepford wife.
I just shut down all of my emotions because I
was I'm a little stubborn and I'm like, I'm not
even going to cry through this divorce. I will never
show him that, you know what he's done to me.
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How ridiculous is that? Right? So, as I was in Israel,
when I picked up this stone, it was a stone
that looked like a jeweler had hammered it. And actually
this is taken from the original mold of the stone.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You've got it around your neck. Wow.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
And when I was holding this stone, the Lord spoke
to me, and it felt like warm oil was being
poured over my body. And I wasn't sure I was
going to be okay at that time. And when I
was holding this stone, God spoke to me, and he said, Drew,
I'm going to take your heart of stone and I'm
going to turn it to flesh, and I'm going to
heal your heart. And I'm not going to say my
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life was easy from then on, because it wasn't. I've
been through a lot, but I knew I was going
to be okay because God was there with me.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That is a beautiful story and transformative.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's interesting you say that your son, you know, he
has been starting to speak up and speak out.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
You mentioned Peers Morgan. I think he did a podcast too.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I don't know which place he said this, but he said,
had none of this gone on, speaking about being canceled,
my life would have kept going exactly as it was.
And I know that that would ultimately only lead to
one place, and that's death.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yes, do you think your son was.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
His life was at risk the way he was living,
and that this almost had to happen the way it
happened for him to find life and to find a
better way of life.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Well, it's interesting because I'm not sure he was really
an alcoholic or a drug edict. He just did everything
to extreme to mask this pain because he quit drinking,
you know, Robert Downey Junior called to him and said,
I think I need to pay it forward. Do you
want to get sober? And he said, yes, I do.
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He said, I'm calling you at nine am, and if
you're serious, answer the phone and let's get started. He's
never taken a drink or done drug since. But one
of the reasons why he said that is because mom,
I did everything in extreme and you know he was
if you will, he was a happy drunk and I
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mean life of the party. But he said, I have
so many friends who didn't stop, and because of fentanyl
and everything that's happening in the drugs. He said, I've
had three friends die. And he said that could have
so easily happened to me, and he was basically going
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down the wrong road. So in a way, I can
thank God that all this happened, even though it was
excruciating to him. He was in an unhappy marriage. They
were both unhappy, and he likened it in the Pierce Morgan.
I'm not saying anything out of hand, but he said,
when you start in you'r a few degrees off. Each
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year you get further and further away to where you're
completely going in separate directions and you've severed your ties.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You said he's sober. Now, how long has he been sober?
He said, no alcohol, no drugs. How long has it
been there?
Speaker 5 (35:19):
Four years?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Four years? Okay? Can I ask this, mam? How is
he doing today compared to the height of his career
that you've seen and enjoying wild success? You still know
him on a personal level. It's wild to We can
understand it because it seems incredible to think that after
people go through something that your son went through. We
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can understand because we can say, good guy, we are
better off and happier because of the worst hell we
went through about a year and a half ago. But
how is he doing today and how close is he
to possibly acting again?
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Well, I can honestly say, and he will tell you
he is the happiest that he's ever been because now
he is an incredible father to his children. He has
a very peaceful relationship with his former wife. You know,
he shows up every morning at seven when I would
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go visit them in the Caymans. He goes every morning
at seven am to get his children. He makes them
breakfast with his former wife and they feed their children together.
He takes them to school, he picks them up after school.
He said, Mom, I'm sober, and I'm able to enjoy
and love my children like I was always supposed to be.
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And does he want to work again. Absolutely, He's written
a script and he always already has a few people interested.
And does he want to get back. Absolutely. And I
can honestly say when he was twelve years old, or
actually might have been ten, we were living in the
Cayman Islands at the time, and he came to me
and he said, Mom, I'm going to be an actor
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when I grow up. And being the ever encouraging mother
that I am. I'm like, that's the worst occupation in
the world. The percentage of people making it is so small.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
It's a life of rejection.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
You know, there's so much debauchery in Hollywood being the
ever supportive mother. And we made an agreement, my husband
and I we said, you know what, Army, we watch
a lot of these kids actors, and I see mothers
living vicuriously through their children. I will never be a
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you know, a mom that is going to do that.
But I do believe if that's something that God has
put on your heart, I believe it'll happen, but you're
going to wait till you get your driver's license and
can drive yourself, because I.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Want you to have a normal childhood.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Well, little did I know it was not normal because
of the incident that happened to fourteen. Excuse me, but
I said, you know, I've told both my sons, if
it's God, it's going to work out, and it's going
to happen, but you got to put the hard work
into it. And he went through seven years of beating
the pavement. People think he just walked into it and
(38:24):
became an actor, you know, and we told him. You know,
he booked social What was that show that he was
in with Blake Lively my mind.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Just gossip Girl maybe gossip Girl, thank you.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Well, he was a freshman going to UCLA and booked
gossip Girl and it was in New York and it
was a six week series and basically the rest was
history after that. But I prayed and I said, God,
if this is what you have for my son, give
me a sign. And do you know the first movie
he ever booked, he played Billy Graham and it was
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a small independent movie called Billy the Early Years, and
it is the sweetest movie. He carried the entire movie
and he'd never been in a movie before. But here's
the great part. We all flew to Nashville and he
was filming this scene where he's in this little church
where Billy Graham first started ministry, and he gives an
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actual sermon, part of a sermon that Billy Graham gave
from all of his old writings, and at the very
end he holds his hands out and he says, give
your life to Christ. Well, I mean the church, lady,
I was a disaster. I'm like sobbing in the pews,
and I'm like, okay, God, I let go.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I released. This is what you called him to do.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
But again, it doesn't mean it's all going to be
hunky Doris, Right.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Yeah, you had to go through what he went through.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
And now I leave and I say, Armie, you after
filming Social Network, you had Clint Eastwood call you and
say I want you to star in my next movie
with Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
That was j Edker, and so.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I knew he had talent or that wouldn't be happening.
So I said, Armie, if you had that talent while
you were medicating and drinking a lot and doing drugs.
Can you imagine what you could do now being sober?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Wow, that's amazing, you know, listening to how you raised
him and how close you all are and how close
your family is. I mean, it's really powerful. I'm curious
as a mom, what was like? Where were you when
you started to hear some of these allegations and was
there any part of you that believed them?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
How shocked were you?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I just I can't imagine as a mom what those
moments must have been like. And I'm just curious how
you received them and how you reacted.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Well.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I was heartbroken, and first of all, you know, nobody
wants to think that their parents ever have sex, right,
I mean, let's just get down that corrective.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Right, Yeah, Jesus see.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
It in movies. I don't want to hear about it.
I don't want to hear lude texas that my son
and other girls wrote to each other. It's just downright creepy.
That's all there is to it. But then again, you know,
are you going to let it destroy you or are
you going to be the mom that calls him up
and say, you know what, no matter what, you are,
(41:27):
my son and I love you and I will always
be praying for you, because I know God has a
plan for your life.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Drew, do you think that there are people out there
who actually believe your son is a cannibal?
Speaker 5 (41:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
I mean, I can't imagine. It's pretty hard to imagine,
to be perfectly honest. And again, you know I have
said before, oh my gosh, that baby, I could.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Just eat you up. I'm not eating that baby.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
So I think it was all circumstantial what he wrote
in stupid text being high and drunk, and you know,
girls throwing themselves at him. Sorry, but I basically say
in my book that I think these young girls saw
him as mister Wright and he saw them as ms
(42:20):
right now, so it wasn't morally right. And he says,
I take responsibility. Did I take advantage being the older
person and being the actor, And you know, you can
imagine he had girls throwing himself themselves at him. He
takes responsibility for that. But again, you know I met
(42:41):
them and one of them stayed in my home. I
had dinner with them, and they were madly in love
with him.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
And did you reach out? I believe I saw that
you reached out to two of them, after all of
this happened and came out, one.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
Of them kept writing that, you know, he tied her
down and carved an a on her, and you know,
and she actually was standing in my dining room and
was so proud of it and showed it to me
and it's this little bitty tiny a and she was
proud of it, saying, oh, look what I had Army do.
(43:21):
So when she was saying that, I just told her,
I said, I'm so happy I had the opportunity to
meet you. But in my dining room, you showed it
to me and you were very proud of that. And
you know, next thing, she was being tied down and
you know whatever. I don't need to get into details.
But and after that, I never did it again because
(43:43):
you know, what's the point.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Okay, well, okay, church lady, Mama hammer let me.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I got to ask this.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
But it's one thing emotions, heartbreak, relationships. We have all
been there and done things that were silly and we're
not proud of. But it's another level when someone makes
allegations that destroy somebody's life and career. That's different. You
can gotch scratch his car, you know, but a knife
(44:11):
and is tired. There are other options. I'm not saying
those are good ones, but what does it tell you?
Help us understand? And you met these women, that's another
level of anger and emotion that goes just beyond I'm hurt.
This was like a concerted effort to do harm by
telling the most vicious like you say, of lies. Help
(44:33):
us understand these women and why it went that far?
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Well, and I think as well is they are influencers,
and they went from having several thousand followers to you
can imagine every single one of them, and we have
texts and emails that they all colluded together. But then again,
it all gets down to forgiveness. And I am not
(45:01):
going to spend the rest of my life harboring unforgiveness.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
So you've forgiven those women, Well, you've forgiven those women.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
I actually feel sorry for them, and I would I
told one of them, both of them, two of them,
how much you know Jesus loves them.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
How did they respond?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Not?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Well, I can only imagine.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
But why not? Why wouldn't you respond? You were right,
It sounds like you were extending grace, but still it
wasn't received with grace.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
No, Actually, one of them went to a dinner with
Army's cousins and actually mocked me for it. But that's
okay because guess what if they mocked Jesus and Jesus
was ridiculed and mocked and you know, flogged and crucified.
If we're going to stand up for what's right and
(45:58):
for Jesus's way and his words, why would we expect
any differently? Right, I'm not running a popularity contest, and
if I was, I would not have written hammered because
I'm not running a popularity contest with the world. And
when I first moved to Beverly Hills, I would go
around sharing Christ with everybody, and most people weren't open
(46:21):
to it. So I went and led their housekeepers to Jesus.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Grand came in Secrets in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Have you watched? What do you think about it? Oh?
Speaker 5 (46:31):
My goodness, Wow.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
That's a hell of an endorsement there.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Well.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
I mean, if your grandchildren are on television, your former
you know, daughter in law is putting her life out there.
That's given everything that's happened, I can't that's got to
be a tough spot to be in.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
I'm just going to answer it this way. I love
my daughter in law, and I always want a relationship
with my grandchildren and I will never do anything to
sever those ties.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Okay, perfect answer, Well, can we get you out of
here on this? Will you please give some advice counsel
to everyone who's listening, who's on social media, and they're
so quick to jump on something that's hot, a hashtag,
a scandalous story, and one person says it and it
just goes like wildfire and it has consequences. Your son
(47:24):
lost a career because of some stuff that started floating
around on the internet. Can you give any all of
us what advice or counsel to just maybe take a
beat from this stuff and not be so quick to
jump and judge, just given where you're coming from, can
you give some advice to all of us which you
would all hope from us?
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Well, I think, first of all, social media is dangerous
in many ways. And you know, people put out this
persona that life's perfect, everything's great, and then it's the
people that sit at home and they're not happy and
they attack people who they believe are are happy, who
(48:07):
are happy, I should say, and I think it's really damaging.
And here's what I would say, about it. I remember
that saying growing up as a child, sticks and stones
may break my bones, but words will never harm me.
I think that is the biggest lie that's ever been fed,
because I think words are the most cutting things in
(48:29):
the world, and I think we have to remember that
hurt people hurt people. So I think it's people lashing
out from their own hurt and then trying to tear
down someone else to make them feel better. But instead
of that, I would always give the advice seek God
(48:49):
and if you don't have hope, ask God to give
you hope instead of tearing down other people, because it
is very damaging to people to careers, and then you
have to think about the children involved, you know. And
that's one reason why Army wouldn't speak out, is he said,
you know, the more you speak about it, the more
it puts it out in the press, and then your
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children are more damaged by it. So I forgive and
let's move on. This is a tough life, right, I
always say, this life is not for sissies.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
You were a mat Drew. Thank you so much. Thank
you for writing this book, Hammered, and thank you for
being on the podcast. You have just you have filled
all of us with hope. Your resilience and your faith
is inspiring.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Thank you so much. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
All right, well, yeah, of course the book Hammered is
out now. I think it comes with a copy of
the Bible.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I just.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Hammered is out now. We want to give people remind
you get hope dot Ai. All right, get hope dot Ai.
You can check that.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Out as well as buy the book.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
You can buy the book on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles,
or on my way website Drewville d R U D
I L L E dot com.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Thank you so much. We hope to see you back
here in New York all. Thank you so much, and folks,
you know where to find us as always on our
official Instagram at Amy and t J Podcast
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