January 21, 2025 • 34 mins
One was classic, the other is being called “classless.” Amy and T. J. debate the two standout fashion statements from the inauguration from Melania Trump and Lauren Sanchez.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, the folks in this episode bra and a blue
brimmed hat. Two fashion statements still the show at Trump's inauguration.
One was for its elegance in class, the other classless,
at least according to some Welcome Everybody to Amy and TJ.
I had a bra roapes. The hat in question was
on the head of Milania Trump. The bra was worn
(00:21):
by Lauren Sanchez, fiance of Amazon founder Jeff Bezos. And
that's where we'll start. You saw her outfit. Did you
have an initial reaction all that was going on, and
then the first time we see Lauren Sanchez, did you
have a reaction immediately to what she was wearing?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
If I'm being honest, the answer is yes, I did
have an immediate reaction to what she was wearing.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay, I was just a little shocked.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Look. Look, I'm not one to pile on or judge.
I think women should be able to express themselves in
whatever way they'd like. And she you know, it was
a beautiful suit and a beautiful bra, and it would
have looked killer on a red carpet. I just was
a little I was just taken aback because I wasn't
(01:06):
expecting to see that look at a presidential inauguration. And
I don't want to stand on my high horse and say, oh,
I've never made a fashion mistake. That's just not true.
But definitely I was. I immediately had a reaction, which
I voiced, and then I believe you started looking online.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well yeah, but my reaction was, oh, I was supposed
to react to that. I really was, And I asked
you at the time. I just I didn't look at
her and take it in. I guess the context of
where she was. I didn't put it all together. I
don't have that kind of fashion sense. I can look
at what somebody's wearing and say you look good in that,
(01:48):
or that doesn't look so good on you. I don't
have the ability to say, well, you're wearing that, but
you're wearing it here on a Tuesday and it's after
four pm, so you know you're not see that kind
of a thing. I know it's not that technical, but
I'm saying I didn't have the I didn't immediately see
her and go with the environment she was in think
anything of it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, maybe, and maybe it's not fair, but women are
held I think, to a very high standard where when
it comes to what you wear to a wedding, what
you wear to a funeral.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
We didn't talk about a single dude.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Suit yesterday exactly, and honestly, we talked about Lauren, and
we talked about Milania. But I can't remember what one
dude was wearing, except for maybe hegseeth because his suit
stood out as a little too flashy blue. So but
short of that, you're right. I mean our focus was
and usually is on what women are wearing, and we
(02:39):
do we I do want to make sure that I
say this. I think we all need to give one another,
meaning women to women, especially all break and I think
that Lauren looked smoking in it like she did look great?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Okay? Can we can you help me? First of all?
And what was it? Okay? That was underneath? I heard
it referred to as a bra, a boostier. I think
a lace corset. What can I describe it as? Underneath?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
At least so to me, it looked like a lacey, sexy, designer,
expensive white bra. Okay, but you can call it whatever
you want, a form fitting white lace boostier.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Is that really the right technical term for what? That was?
The pressure?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
A lace push up broad A lace looked super hot
and I'm sure it costs a lot more, but just for.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
What it was, is the right thing to call it
a bra a boostier. I see corset throwing around genuinelyra.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Or a boostier and normally look, I would think that
the suit was gorgeous and tailored and beautiful. And I think,
you know, she had paired it with a tight blouse
or like that. Would it just was a little extra.
And I like, to me, I thought when she was
turning and she you know, the camp, she was in
a very prominent position, and it looked like it was
absolutely raw because I saw her stomach, I saw her
(03:53):
midrift a little bit when she was moving around.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
So it looked like to me, okay, and we should
say what she was wearing was a white Alexander McQueen pantsuit,
low cut blazer, and that bra underneath suit was amazing.
It was a pantsuit. It was her take on a pantsuit,
which I'm told is the appropriate thing for a woman
to wear in such that environment.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, she no, she looked great. It was just to
me it was just a little shocking. But you know what,
she looked fantastic.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So it is what it is, Okay. So now let's
go back it, folks, if you haven't seen some of
the reaction. She was. Again, as of this recording, she
was trending higher than anything else related to the inauguration
on the Google trends. At least people were searching her
up more than they were searching most of the things
that Trump said. She was the number two trending topic
(04:40):
the twenty four hours after the inauguration. That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
That's the story in and of its.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Obviously everybody was talking about her, but some of the
words being thrown around, and this is something I hate
to do, not going to go through a lot and
the sign I mean, because some prominent folks came out
as well, but I'm quoting incredibly inappropriate. I'm quoting as well,
show some class. Quoting again here that she forgot to
put on a shirt. A lot of people said that,
and a lot of people got a little nasty, and
(05:06):
we're using words like prostitute and hooker.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's terrible, that's terrible. Yeah, I saw incredibly inappropriately dressed,
not acceptable. But you know, at the end of the day,
no one was harmed. There were no injuries as a
result of Lauren Sanchez looking a little sexy at the inauguration.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So there's nothing wrong with what she was wearing. The
problem people have is where she was wearing it. Is
that correct, I believe?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So that is the case.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Hey, for you as well. I mean seeing it on
a red carpet, you said anything about it that's hot?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Does it matter then that this is completely one brand
for Lauren Sanchez. If you haven't seen this woman in
the past several years, she's a lace fan. To be
honest with you, I love lace too.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
By the way, if you if you search up some
red carpet photos of me, I had a green lace
kind of boostier like dress on the red carpet. So again,
I am living in my glasshouse. I like lace's.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Oh no, again, I want to be clear you you
you put a little hard on yourself there. I don't
think you're throwing stones at Lauren Sanchez in the least bit.
But she has her look. She is literally, like really
a lace fan like you. You look at my stuff like, wow,
TJ likes black and maybe look like leather. You look, yes,
you look at her style leather, you will say, oh,
she's lace. Her look from Milan was something else. She
(06:23):
went to a what was the uh the Japanese Prime minister.
It was a state dinner at the White House. She
wore a rod Oh, she got a lacy number.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
She got a lot of hate for that as well.
And you know what, look she she understands. I'm sure
she sees and hears some of the reaction and clearly
she doesn't mind it because she's doing her a thing.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
But is it possible she ain't even thinking about it?
Is it possible this is her style? She is doing
her thing, she's not looking at what anybody is saying
about her, and she's going about her day because it's
something she likes to wear.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I hope that's what she's doing.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Oh, it's that. It's that simple. And why aren't there something?
I don't know if there artists right, certain singers they
have I wear jeans and cowboy boots everywhere. I'm gonna
always wear this hat no matter where they go. They
still stick to their thing, their brand. Is this different now?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I just think women are tough on other women when
they dress sexy somewhere that is potentially considered more formal
or more conservative.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Do you think no doubt this is all coming? I
say all, but I mean, relatively speaking, all coming from women.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yes, we're the harshest critics for one another, unfortunately. And look,
I think it's it's interesting. I did a little bit
of a deep dive on why we're so obsessed with
what women wear, specifically to an inauguration. But it is
kind of like the Oscars for Washington, and especially yesterday,
because it was all indoors. You know, Normally she would
have been bundled up.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Maybe she wouldn't have been, but she knew what she
did come in with a coat. It was cold. Yesterday,
she came in with a coat, and then she took
it off with a big reveal, a moment like the
show was starting, and you know.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What, she may have planned that and is loving it,
you know, and that's good for her, you know. I
just that was a choice. It was deliberate, it was intentional,
and she looked great, you know. And and because the
ceremony was indoors, I do think it gave women's fashion
choices a bigger spie light, spotlight than would have been otherwise.
(08:23):
Now we always do traditionally. Look, I mean I remember
covering when Barack Obama and Michelle Obama came out. Jay
cru sold out of the gloves that Michelle Obama was wearing.
Sasha and Malia had Jay Crewe outfits on our coats.
I remember when I was working for the Today Show,
they sent me to Jay crew Uh to talk about,
you know, the affordable fashion worn by the First Family
(08:45):
that everybody now wanted. You think about even the royals,
from Princess Diana Tock, Princess Kate to Megan Markle. Anytime
they wear anything, it's scrutinized, it's disgust and usually those
items are sold out. So women know when they walk
into even if it's in a political forum or in
(09:05):
a formal setting, what they wear sometimes, unfortunately becomes more
important or a bigger deal than what is said, or
what policy is being made, or what peaceful transition of
power is happening.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, I mean, the difference in your scenario there is
that she is not in the First Family. She was
not a part of the First Family, She is not
the First Lady. She is just a guess sitting next
to a dude. Well, I mean, at the end of
the day, just to do will we be talking about
any other woman dressed like this? Is because of where
she is in the prominence, of her prominence, of her seat.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That did make a big, big difference. And she is
someone now who is engaged to Jeff Bezos, of course,
the head of Amazon. She is meeting heads of state.
You know, suddenly now we're seeing, at least in this administration,
that tech titans and billionaires and people who might not
normally be in a position of confidence or power within
(10:00):
our own political structure are now kind of a part
of the direction our country is heading in. So her influence,
her prominence next to Bezos, who's next to Trump, all
somehow becomes more important.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Now, wait a minute, you're equating her outfit to what
I'm just sting because she's dressed this, because she's around
certain people, she now needs to change how she's.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
No, I'm not saying she needs to change. What I'm
saying is people care more now because what she's wearing. Yes, yeah,
it matters more because it's in a brighter spotlight.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Does it matter or is this just the spotlight doesn't matter?
Doesn't Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Actually, but look think about it. We have an entire
and it was it's one of my favorite displays. I'm
not a big museum person, but if you go to
the National Museum of American History. The First Lady's Collection
is one of the most popular exhibit because everyone wants
to see what the First Ladies wore to their inaugural balls.
I mean, that's a part of who we are, right.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'll keep hooting and hollering, this is she's just a guest.
I understand about the First Ladies. She's a guest. And again,
this will be a cycle, it'll be quick, it'll happen.
But still, I why is it that we I say why?
Everybody knows the answer, and it's kind of a will,
of course, But how do we get beyond the just?
Of course we're going to talk about women's and women's
(11:28):
fashion and what they're wearing marlv and of course that's
what's gonna happen. And you, if you're honest with yourself,
was you were watching yesterday you saw, oh, look what
she's wearing. Ooh she decided to wear that. Oh she
looks nice today? Of random women you just sawlun te
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I'm guilty of it. I do it when I watched
the Red Carpet previews. And I think most women, if
they're honest, and some men too, we all do it.
It's look a red.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Carpet preview is different from yesterday.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It kind of felt a little bit like that. I
even saw we were watching, you know, even like Barack
Obama walk down what kind of seemed like a red
carpets strutting down, like we were even discussing how people
were walking with or without confidence. These aren't people who
aren't necessarily trained to step and repeat and pose and
you know, behead turners. So it's just interesting to watch
(12:14):
the whole procession and pomp and circumstance take place as
much as we have that in this kind.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Of and poor Marcus Zuckerberg, poor fellow, I mean, this
is going around and around in just as much a
part of the story as anything, and probably highlighted what
she was wearing more than anything because he was sitting
right next to her during the event. And at some
point you'll see the still image everywhere and the headline
will say Marcus Zuckerberg caught what looking sneaking a peek, yes,
(12:40):
or even staring. Some are saying at her cleavage. And
if you see the image, the still image, it does
look like his eyes are trained down right next to
him where.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
She says, isn't it hard for men? I'm just curious.
You're a man, You're sitting next to a woman wearing that,
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Eyes front, eyes front you. It's a you have to
do it. You have to train yourself to do it.
And I am around and in my career been round
enough and enough pictures have been taken that you do
not ever want to be in that position. And it's
and now I was going to ask you that question.
Back to Zuckerberg. If you look at the video, he's
obviously not staring. He took a glance that. It was
(13:19):
a split second and I'm not even sure if he
was looking down at her chest or not if he
was okay, but I'm saying it was a quick glance.
So if you see a steel frame of him just
staring it, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
An unfair characterization of what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But yes, it does look like he glanced that glances down.
My question to you, to every woman and every guy
is listening, what is proper behavior when someone is dressed
in such a way revealing, sexy, beautiful, whatever you want
to call it, but expose or at least showcasing some
(13:54):
asset of theirs. In such a way, whether that's legs,
whether that's butt, whether that's chest. Is it ever appropriate
to look, not gawk, not stare, not sexualize. Is it
ever okay if you see a guy looking at you
in that asset where it's not offensive.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh, this is such a tricky question. So I am
of the belief not everyone is gonna agree with me.
A lingering glance, a gross lecherous glance. No, never, okay,
that means like lasting more than a second. Like that
to me feels like you're being ogled. Now, I'm not look.
(14:38):
I don't know how people would characterize how I dress.
But if I know that, I'm clearly showing off some cleavage,
which I don't really I don't think that's really my mL.
But if I chose to do that, that's great. If
I chose to, If I, you know what, a short
skirt showing a lot of leg I have absolutely done that.
(14:59):
If some one glances, I would take it as a compliment.
And clearly I'm I'm dressed in a way where I
am showcasing or I am highlighting something that I think
is an asset of mind. I think most women dress
with that in mind. When they think about what they're
gonna wear, especially to a public event where they know
they're going to be photographed or they know they're going
to be cameras. I think you do try at least
(15:20):
I try to say what would I like to highlight?
Would I like to hide? And so if someone glance
is it's something that I want to highlight, I take
it as a compliment. Now there is a facial expression
or a lingering glance that can suggest something that feels not.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
There's so much nuance here.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There is nuance.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So the timing up. You tell me a second, so
you are speaking on behalf of all women when you
say fellas, you can look for one second and one
second only.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You can look for a yeah, for like a short
like a glance, a glance. And I am somebody who
said I don't mind if someone says you look nice tonight,
but if you're like, damn, look at those legs or wow,
look at that rack, that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Nobody's gonna say that.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's not what we're talking about, clearly, But this is
this is such a thing where a woman wants to
show off, yes, a particular asset, and then it's viewed
as well.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You better not look at that asset. Look.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I know that I am not speaking for everyone here.
I don't if I'm gonna show something off. I don't
mind if people look.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
But where'd you think of zuckerberber Dickie.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I think it was innocent. I think he loves his wife,
and I think I might have even taken a glance.
I think I might have even taken a glance too,
if I were sitting next to Lauren Sanchez, like damn,
in a complimentary way, not in a judgment.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Way, like I wouldn't have it. The whole ceremony. We've
been talking about what's wrong with TJ's neck. He won't
turn it to the left or right, he's just looking
straight ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Do you think that it's appropriate for man to even
glance at a woman who is dressed a certain way?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I would recommend to every fella on planet Earth don't
do it. Don't just don't do it. It's not worth it.
It's just not. I mean, you see, we all see
beautiful things all day long, and you take a look
at that beautiful thing. You don't have to sexualize, you
don't desire, you're not going after it. It's just not
I've seen guys in nice suits and I'll check him out, like, wow,
(17:20):
that's the cook at the cut on that suit man.
They got rid of that neck roll and everything. Yes,
I've done that.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's admiring someone and admiring the beauty of something or someone,
and it's meant in a positive way, not in a
sexual way. And I think you kind of just nailed
it in a way that maybe I was struggling with
how to how to characterize it. But you can tell
immediately the way someone's looking at you As a woman,
I can tell if someone is looking at me in
(17:45):
a complimentary way or in a very sexualized way, and
you just know it. It's like your eyes or your
facial expression. There's something about it that either feels complimentary
or like repulsive.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Well, no guy is going to I think should should
bank on a woman be able, being able to look.
She's gonna know this look is just a friendly look.
It'll be No, fellas, do not leave that for a second.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I'm leading I'm leading men down a dangerous pith. Sorry,
don't look.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Don't listen to this one. But no, it's just one
of it. Bade me think about it all the time,
and I and I get it. It is I would
always err on the side of do not do it.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
That is smart, That is smart.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And I have and I think I've talked to you
about this when it's there, you know what, having a
conversation with someone who has on something that Lauren had
on right exposed right since she waits cleavage, Having a
conversation with those folks that those women think I'm looking
through to their souls because my eye I widen my
eyes and I stare into their eyes the whole time
(18:49):
to make sure she understands I am only looking at
your eyes, dear lady, only looking at your eyes. But no,
that was was fascinating yesterday. Will continue to be talked about.
It just I what's appropriate dress? What's not appropriate dress?
Who gets to say what's appropriate? And I guess how
much freedom does she get to be herself and express
herself in all venues. She didn't walk in there with something.
(19:12):
I mean, she don't walk in there naked. Some people
are saying, well, TJ, did you see it right now? Okay,
I get what you're trying to say, but I mean,
she what's I don't know. I just embrace I see
people walk red carpets. I see people walk down the
streets of New York. I see people dressed all the
time going wow, really.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's an interesting choice.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I think.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I was like, that's a choice, that's kind of the
thing I usually say, Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Even on red carpets, we have seen people go wow,
that was on that that's inappropriate, that's you need to
cover up a little bit. Yes, daring. Well, she's just
a little bit daring in an otherwise place that's usually boring.
And what do you say about John Fetterman? Senator Fetterman
of Pennsylvania showed up at the inauguration in shorts and
(19:58):
a car heart hoodie okay or was it caterpillar? Excuse me,
one of the two. He was in a hoodie and shorts,
so that's in line with him. He walks the halls
of the Senate in that all the time. Is anybody
want to argue that, hey, that's inappropriate for the halls
of Congress, that's inappropriate for an inauguration. Do we want
(20:21):
to go after him?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And I think you make a really good pointe Yeah,
because women aren't threatened by that. And I'm not saying
anyone was threatened by Lauren but I do think somehow
it might strike a chord deep down within a woman, saying,
(20:46):
you know, she is doing something she shouldn't do because
we don't like it, because it makes us feel a
certain way about ourselves. I would never do that. Maybe
I could never pull that look off, and so I'm
annoyed that someone else can so well. I mean, there
are a lot of things I think as women, we
can ask ourselves why we felt something potentially negative about
Lauren Sanchez when she looked gorgeous. So you know, you
(21:08):
can have your own opinion, but maybe it's just this
is a moment to examine why we have those opinions.
And usually when we think something about someone else, it
usually refers back to some issue with our own insecurity,
or our own feelings about our own bodies, or what
we choose to wear. And I just think if we
can all give each other a little bit of a break.
I mean, I was being honest and saying I was
definitely shocked by what she chose, but I really have
(21:30):
tried to examine why she Again, she didn't hurt anyone
by her choices, and she felt good about what she
walked into that room with and who's to say what
she should or shouldn't have done.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I will give I know you saw a lot of
headlines as well, several of you listening to us probably
saw a lot of headlines. This, I thought, Vogue least,
I'll give them credit for this headline. I thought they
struck the best balance that could be struck. Lauren Sanchez
Forgo's inaugurations style codes in a daring white pantsuit and
lace bra.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, you know what that is saying what happened without
any judgment. Yes, and I appreciate that. And if we
can do more of that more often, all of us,
I think, will all be the better for it. Let
people be who they are and express themselves how they
want to express themselves, as long as they're not harming
(22:25):
anyone else in the process.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So it's funny, Sanchez, I didn't react at all. Right,
I'm sitting there with you and I go, oh, it's
a big deal. But the one fashion I thing I
did react to yesterday to the point that I screamed
at you into the other room, say hey, come check
out Milania. You did because she stepped out of that
(22:47):
suv and I said, whoa she was? Put together?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Had to tell you know, it's funny. One of the
headlines that I saw was Malania Trump's patriotic statement, Lauren
Sanchez's faux pas, and Avanka's jack moment. So everyone wanted
to draw a comparison. But Milania we were trying to
figure out because she looked felt sleek, ready for business,
yet so fashionable. And the hat just you were gaga
(23:14):
over the hat.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I was going great, the double breasted jacket, coach she
was wearing, the way it fit, and then complimented with
the perfect matching hat. I thought it was it was
just stunning.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
If she was stunning, agreed and if we can all
you know, I love the idea of looking at these
choices as an expression of yourself of the day and
take it for what it is. But I saw, I read,
and I'm going to read it for you because I
love this. One of the folks who's paid to talk
about fashion said this about Malania's outfit. Milania looks armed
(23:50):
for a historical long day in a Navy look, ready
for battle. Her military inspired look allows her to blend
into the background, but the distinctive boater hat sets her apart.
A wool boater rather than the traditional straw is unexpected
and screams fashion elegant yet effortlessly care free. And I
just thought that was cool because if we can look
(24:11):
at it more of just kind of art in a way,
you know, you're expressing what you want to put out
in the world by how you're dressed from head to toe.
And she really put out a statement and one you
were liking.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Say the designer's name, Adam, I'm so sorry l i
pp E Slippe.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Is I think he's a New York designer.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I'm just messing up his name right now. But
she was wearing a navy wool double breasted coat, navy skirt,
cream blouse. The hat, though, is what got so much
attention by American designer Eric Javits. Now, she's worn hats
from him in the past, so that he made this
one by hand looks great.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But but I know what the butt is.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I the thing that jumped out after I was got
got Google over how she looked. I was then scratching
my hand hand ahead about why she wore something that
seemed the hat at least her face was covered most
of the day.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Her eyes were definitely couldn't see her I.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Mean you couldn't see her on a day that you
know the whole world is going to be watching her.
It's I don't know if it was it was a
choice to wear the hat. Was it a choice to
cover the eyes? It was a choice to wear that
hat that way? I don't know, but it's everything looked great,
but you could not see her eyes for most of
the day.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
But think about it. You love to wear sunglasses. Why
do you love to wear sunglasses other than protecting your
eyes from the sun.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You just brought her home for me. I know why
Malania didn't know, because oftentimes I wear sunglasses. Not because
I'm trying to keep the sun out of my eyes,
but I don't want you to see where my eyes
are going.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
There you go, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You to see what I'm looking at that I'm checking
you out over there trying to check me out. I'm not.
I absolutely and I only learned this strict the past
couple of years. You look at celebrities all the time, Wow,
they wear sunglasses inside Why Yeah, they're flashing bulbs and there.
Don't want you to see what they're looking at. Mark
Zuckerberg could use a pair of sung I was gonna bring.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
The full circle with that exact same thought because she
covered her eyes. But maybe that's just brilliance combined with
excellent fashion taste, because she can look at and react
to what she wants without people knowing where she's looking
and what she's thinking. And you know, the eyes of
(26:22):
the soul are the window to the soul, right, so
when you see someone taking a glance, they shouldn't rolling
their eyes perhaps when they shouldn't reacting. In a lot
of ways, we do it with our eyes. So if
your eyes are covered, you feel free to feel what
you're feeling. And maybe that's exactly what she wanted to
be able to do today while she or yesterday while
she was on full display.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Don't want to suggest at all that that's the case
of making accusation. Oh that's what it was. But it
stood out that you couldn't see her eyes. It stood
out to me on that day, and you know, now
to think about it, I would have been in there
with sunglasses on. That was too much to look at.
I would have been all over the place checking everybody
out in that room. It was incredible.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean we were doing that from our couch without
anyone looking at us looking at them.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It was incredible, but the hat was amazing. Congrats to
this to the American diaer Eric Jabbetts. I believe he's
from New York originally, but he's now based in Florida.
He said he made this by hand, and it's one
thing when the hat's in your hand and you're making it,
he said, But then he saw it on TV and
saw it on her head and it came to life,
and she gave it a whole new life and energy
and elegance and power, I think is the word he
(27:28):
used once she put it on. But she was on
point yesterday.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, and look, you know, people made comments about Ivanka
had a gorgeous green It also looked military esque forest
green skirt suit with a thin black belt and a
matching green hat. She also pulled the hat off. The
hat look off as well, and some people referred to
her as a Jackie Oh moment. Other people were saying
(27:52):
she looked like the wives from Handmaid's Tail. So it's like,
no matter what you wear, some people are gonna like it,
some people aren't, but certainly you are making a statement
with what you choose. And I thought she looked fantastic.
You pointed out Ivanka's daughter who had that cape coat on.
It was like like a beige almost like a rose
(28:12):
beige coat, and you were like, she looks fantastic.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Is there a single dude we can comment on what
he was wearing yesterday? Is there Pete.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Pete Hegsath He had on that his one suit, blue
suit that he also wore. It seemed as if it
were the same one that he wore the confirmation hearing
in the Senate Armed Service.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
But because of the color of his suit. But any who,
what guy's outfit? You want to break down? Whose outfit
did you see? Again? I mentioned the feederman here just
because he wore shorts and a hoodie.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Everyone else had a blue tie or a red tie
or a green tie.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
The former presidents. Were they wearing anything that stood out?
Any senator? Can you remember anybody wearing anything yesterday?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I only remember not a guy, the opera singer had
a velvet jacket on that I thought would have looked
really nice on you without a tie. But everyone else
kind of looked.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
And the reason you remember him is because, wow, he's
not wearing a tie. And you said, you know, he
needs to make sure his Voca gords are loose and
didn't want to time. Okay, we understand what the velvet jack?
Who nobody. I don't remember anybody all day that I
would look at a guy say hmmm, can't think of one.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But it's and it's interesting because.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Our producers over here googling.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, I'm trying to think, does anybody remember anything? Any man?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You usually yes. But I'm just making the point that
this is how it goes sometimes. If this was a
red carbon event, Hollywood guys do dress better than us senators.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
What they call Washington d C Hollywood for ugly people.
They've said that for a very long time. I did
not say that. That is a phrase. I used to
live in DC and people used to say that all
the time. You know, do you see this Hollywood for
ugly people? Thanks, ma'am. I would say for rich, smart
and powerful people. You don't have to throw in the
barb there because it's not necessarily true. But not quite
like Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But again, I was only making the point, we just
don't remember or what any guy wears. But look, it's
a great here we go. But this is a part
of it, and a part of it I understand a
part of it is still disappointing that so much emphasis
is put on what a woman is wearing, but then
the next step of that seems to be she's attacked
for what she was wearing in very vicious, vicious ways.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Attacked and judged. Like I think that's where I think
it's really tough to actually somehow equate a woman's character,
a woman's worth based on what she's dressed in. And look,
women get it, and especially anyone who has been in
the public eye. Lauren Sanchez worked. She's been in media
(30:38):
for her entire professional career. She has been in front
of cameras her entire professional life, so she knew exactly
what she was doing when she chose the outfit she
was choosing, and that's like, that's good. She We know
what's going to be probably possibly said when we choose
an outfit and walk out in front of the cameras,
and it's just and I just think we should all
(30:59):
give each other a little grace to say, hey, you
looked fantastic.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But even if you don't want to go that far,
it's a difference between saying I wouldn't wear that, versus
you slut, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
People may saying something that I mean, you can give.
People have opinions, and if you're in the spotlight, you
expected to a certain degree, but that's just so mean. Well,
I can't stay over what she's wearing.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I can't stand the slutshaming, I think. And the truth
is women are most responsible for doing it to one another.
It's it's it's very really a man saying this about
a woman. It is women saying it about other women.
And so I think we can all maybe just you know,
I would just love for us to be able to
support one another. And if you, you know, go back
to what your mom told you, if you don't have
(31:42):
something nice to say, don't say anything at all. And
I think it's okay to say it was a little shocking.
I think it's okay to say, wow, I've never seen
that before. Is that appropriate to wear to the Capitol
rotunda for a presidential inauguration? I haven't seen that before,
but wow, I mean she wears it well, and those
kind of were my my headspace was, well.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
She fits right in in DC right now because there's
a lot going on there we ain't ever seen before,
and it will be for the next four years. So folks, yes,
with that, you know, does Sydney have a microphone in
front of her? Over there by?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Actually, it's funny. We have Sydney in here, one of
our amazing producers, and I was going to ask her
a question, but I too didn't know if she had
a microphone.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I wanted to ask this earlier. Yeah, I wanted to
ask earlier. You would be another opinion woman in the
room about Lauren Sanchez and what your no. I had no.
Actually the question I want to ask you might have
a different one. What are guys? What would you be
your recommendation for what guys should do when a woman
you wearing something revealing or you're accentuating a particular asset
(32:40):
of yours, but if the guy their looks, it's usually
deemed inappropriate. Where do you come down on that?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I honestly agreed with Amy. I agreed with what you
had to say, Like, there is a difference between you know,
making a comment or like, but if I'm wearing something
that I I know is a little bit revealing, like
a skirt or a top, I know what's gonna come
from that, And I am like that that's it's on purpose,
(33:09):
like I.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But on purpose. You didn't go that far on purpose?
Oh you? But you do?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know you're going to get attention.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
But do you want okay, do you want it? Yes? Yes,
if I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Wearing that, I want attention. But I just think time
and place for miss Sanchez that was and she knows
the time and she knows the place, and she made
a decision exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
So I'm naive to think that she just decided, you
know what, I'll wear this today and didn't think you're
laughing at me. You think I'm naive to think you're cute? Okay?
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And the planning that goes into an outfit for an
event that big, she knew.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
And she knew all eyes were going to be honest.
We saw her looking around for the cameras. You and
I both noticed that, like you know what, or.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
She might have been just looking to see where her
friends were that were coming behind her. That could have
been all kinds of things. You and I both know
better than to assume what's going on, even from what
is right in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I agree with you. My point was she knew people
were looking. It's intentional, right, Well, and I'm not upset
about it. I mean, we all do it. If we
all want to be honest about it, we all do it.
And if you make a choice with an outfit, you
might be like, what are people saying? What are they doing?
What are they thinking? And that's a natural human response,
(34:25):
I think, But yes, it's a.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Choice right well, folks, we appreciate you, But there's the
thing with us as always, you know, you can always
catch us and going to run with us every single
morning Monday through Friday, The Morning Run. It's our daily
news podcast that you can check out as well. But
for now, we appreciate you spending some time with us.
For our super producers Andy and Sydney who are in
(34:47):
the room.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm DJ and I'm Amy Robot. Have a great day everyone,
Hey, the folks in this episode bra and a blue
brimmed hat. Two fashion statements still the show at Trump's inauguration.
One was for its elegance in class, the other classless,
at least according to some Welcome Everybody to Amy and TJ.
I had a bra roapes. The hat in question was
on the head of Milania Trump. The bra was worn
(00:21):
by Lauren Sanchez, fiance of Amazon founder Jeff Bezos. And
that's where we'll start. You saw her outfit. Did you
have an initial reaction all that was going on, and
then the first time we see Lauren Sanchez, did you
have a reaction immediately to what she was wearing?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
If I'm being honest, the answer is yes, I did
have an immediate reaction to what she was wearing.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay, I was just a little shocked.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Look. Look, I'm not one to pile on or judge.
I think women should be able to express themselves in
whatever way they'd like. And she you know, it was
a beautiful suit and a beautiful bra, and it would
have looked killer on a red carpet. I just was
a little I was just taken aback because I wasn't
(01:06):
expecting to see that look at a presidential inauguration. And
I don't want to stand on my high horse and say, oh,
I've never made a fashion mistake. That's just not true.
But definitely I was. I immediately had a reaction, which
I voiced, and then I believe you started looking online.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well yeah, but my reaction was, oh, I was supposed
to react to that. I really was, And I asked
you at the time. I just I didn't look at
her and take it in. I guess the context of
where she was. I didn't put it all together. I
don't have that kind of fashion sense. I can look
at what somebody's wearing and say you look good in that,
(01:48):
or that doesn't look so good on you. I don't
have the ability to say, well, you're wearing that, but
you're wearing it here on a Tuesday and it's after
four pm, so you know you're not see that kind
of a thing. I know it's not that technical, but
I'm saying I didn't have the I didn't immediately see
her and go with the environment she was in think
anything of it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, maybe, and maybe it's not fair, but women are
held I think, to a very high standard where when
it comes to what you wear to a wedding, what
you wear to a funeral.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
We didn't talk about a single dude.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Suit yesterday exactly, and honestly, we talked about Lauren, and
we talked about Milania. But I can't remember what one
dude was wearing, except for maybe hegseeth because his suit
stood out as a little too flashy blue. So but
short of that, you're right. I mean our focus was
and usually is on what women are wearing, and we
(02:39):
do we I do want to make sure that I
say this. I think we all need to give one another,
meaning women to women, especially all break and I think
that Lauren looked smoking in it like she did look great?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Okay? Can we can you help me? First of all?
And what was it? Okay? That was underneath? I heard
it referred to as a bra, a boostier. I think
a lace corset. What can I describe it as? Underneath?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
At least so to me, it looked like a lacey, sexy, designer,
expensive white bra. Okay, but you can call it whatever
you want, a form fitting white lace boostier.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Is that really the right technical term for what? That was?
The pressure?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
A lace push up broad A lace looked super hot
and I'm sure it costs a lot more, but just for.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
What it was, is the right thing to call it
a bra a boostier. I see corset throwing around genuinelyra.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Or a boostier and normally look, I would think that
the suit was gorgeous and tailored and beautiful. And I think,
you know, she had paired it with a tight blouse
or like that. Would it just was a little extra.
And I like, to me, I thought when she was
turning and she you know, the camp, she was in
a very prominent position, and it looked like it was
absolutely raw because I saw her stomach, I saw her
(03:53):
midrift a little bit when she was moving around.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
So it looked like to me, okay, and we should
say what she was wearing was a white Alexander McQueen pantsuit,
low cut blazer, and that bra underneath suit was amazing.
It was a pantsuit. It was her take on a pantsuit,
which I'm told is the appropriate thing for a woman
to wear in such that environment.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, she no, she looked great. It was just to
me it was just a little shocking. But you know what,
she looked fantastic.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So it is what it is, Okay. So now let's
go back it, folks, if you haven't seen some of
the reaction. She was. Again, as of this recording, she
was trending higher than anything else related to the inauguration
on the Google trends. At least people were searching her
up more than they were searching most of the things
that Trump said. She was the number two trending topic
(04:40):
the twenty four hours after the inauguration. That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
That's the story in and of its.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Obviously everybody was talking about her, but some of the
words being thrown around, and this is something I hate
to do, not going to go through a lot and
the sign I mean, because some prominent folks came out
as well, but I'm quoting incredibly inappropriate. I'm quoting as well,
show some class. Quoting again here that she forgot to
put on a shirt. A lot of people said that,
and a lot of people got a little nasty, and
(05:06):
we're using words like prostitute and hooker.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's terrible, that's terrible. Yeah, I saw incredibly inappropriately dressed,
not acceptable. But you know, at the end of the day,
no one was harmed. There were no injuries as a
result of Lauren Sanchez looking a little sexy at the inauguration.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So there's nothing wrong with what she was wearing. The
problem people have is where she was wearing it. Is
that correct, I believe?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So that is the case.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Hey, for you as well. I mean seeing it on
a red carpet, you said anything about it that's hot?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Does it matter then that this is completely one brand
for Lauren Sanchez. If you haven't seen this woman in
the past several years, she's a lace fan. To be
honest with you, I love lace too.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
By the way, if you if you search up some
red carpet photos of me, I had a green lace
kind of boostier like dress on the red carpet. So again,
I am living in my glasshouse. I like lace's.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Oh no, again, I want to be clear you you
you put a little hard on yourself there. I don't
think you're throwing stones at Lauren Sanchez in the least bit.
But she has her look. She is literally, like really
a lace fan like you. You look at my stuff like, wow,
TJ likes black and maybe look like leather. You look, yes,
you look at her style leather, you will say, oh,
she's lace. Her look from Milan was something else. She
(06:23):
went to a what was the uh the Japanese Prime minister.
It was a state dinner at the White House. She
wore a rod Oh, she got a lacy number.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
She got a lot of hate for that as well.
And you know what, look she she understands. I'm sure
she sees and hears some of the reaction and clearly
she doesn't mind it because she's doing her a thing.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
But is it possible she ain't even thinking about it?
Is it possible this is her style? She is doing
her thing, she's not looking at what anybody is saying
about her, and she's going about her day because it's
something she likes to wear.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I hope that's what she's doing.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Oh, it's that. It's that simple. And why aren't there something?
I don't know if there artists right, certain singers they
have I wear jeans and cowboy boots everywhere. I'm gonna
always wear this hat no matter where they go. They
still stick to their thing, their brand. Is this different now?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I just think women are tough on other women when
they dress sexy somewhere that is potentially considered more formal
or more conservative.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Do you think no doubt this is all coming? I
say all, but I mean, relatively speaking, all coming from women.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yes, we're the harshest critics for one another, unfortunately. And look,
I think it's it's interesting. I did a little bit
of a deep dive on why we're so obsessed with
what women wear, specifically to an inauguration. But it is
kind of like the Oscars for Washington, and especially yesterday,
because it was all indoors. You know, Normally she would
have been bundled up.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Maybe she wouldn't have been, but she knew what she
did come in with a coat. It was cold. Yesterday,
she came in with a coat, and then she took
it off with a big reveal, a moment like the
show was starting, and you know.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What, she may have planned that and is loving it,
you know, and that's good for her, you know. I
just that was a choice. It was deliberate, it was intentional,
and she looked great, you know. And and because the
ceremony was indoors, I do think it gave women's fashion
choices a bigger spie light, spotlight than would have been otherwise.
(08:23):
Now we always do traditionally. Look, I mean I remember
covering when Barack Obama and Michelle Obama came out. Jay
cru sold out of the gloves that Michelle Obama was wearing.
Sasha and Malia had Jay Crewe outfits on our coats.
I remember when I was working for the Today Show,
they sent me to Jay crew Uh to talk about,
you know, the affordable fashion worn by the First Family
(08:45):
that everybody now wanted. You think about even the royals,
from Princess Diana Tock, Princess Kate to Megan Markle. Anytime
they wear anything, it's scrutinized, it's disgust and usually those
items are sold out. So women know when they walk
into even if it's in a political forum or in
(09:05):
a formal setting, what they wear sometimes, unfortunately becomes more
important or a bigger deal than what is said, or
what policy is being made, or what peaceful transition of
power is happening.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, I mean, the difference in your scenario there is
that she is not in the First Family. She was
not a part of the First Family, She is not
the First Lady. She is just a guess sitting next
to a dude. Well, I mean, at the end of
the day, just to do will we be talking about
any other woman dressed like this? Is because of where
she is in the prominence, of her prominence, of her seat.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That did make a big, big difference. And she is
someone now who is engaged to Jeff Bezos, of course,
the head of Amazon. She is meeting heads of state.
You know, suddenly now we're seeing, at least in this administration,
that tech titans and billionaires and people who might not
normally be in a position of confidence or power within
(10:00):
our own political structure are now kind of a part
of the direction our country is heading in. So her influence,
her prominence next to Bezos, who's next to Trump, all
somehow becomes more important.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Now, wait a minute, you're equating her outfit to what
I'm just sting because she's dressed this, because she's around
certain people, she now needs to change how she's.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
No, I'm not saying she needs to change. What I'm
saying is people care more now because what she's wearing. Yes, yeah,
it matters more because it's in a brighter spotlight.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Does it matter or is this just the spotlight doesn't matter?
Doesn't Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Actually, but look think about it. We have an entire
and it was it's one of my favorite displays. I'm
not a big museum person, but if you go to
the National Museum of American History. The First Lady's Collection
is one of the most popular exhibit because everyone wants
to see what the First Ladies wore to their inaugural balls.
I mean, that's a part of who we are, right.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I'll keep hooting and hollering, this is she's just a guest.
I understand about the First Ladies. She's a guest. And again,
this will be a cycle, it'll be quick, it'll happen.
But still, I why is it that we I say why?
Everybody knows the answer, and it's kind of a will,
of course, But how do we get beyond the just?
Of course we're going to talk about women's and women's
(11:28):
fashion and what they're wearing marlv and of course that's
what's gonna happen. And you, if you're honest with yourself,
was you were watching yesterday you saw, oh, look what
she's wearing. Ooh she decided to wear that. Oh she
looks nice today? Of random women you just sawlun te
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I'm guilty of it. I do it when I watched
the Red Carpet previews. And I think most women, if
they're honest, and some men too, we all do it.
It's look a red.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Carpet preview is different from yesterday.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It kind of felt a little bit like that. I
even saw we were watching, you know, even like Barack
Obama walk down what kind of seemed like a red
carpets strutting down, like we were even discussing how people
were walking with or without confidence. These aren't people who
aren't necessarily trained to step and repeat and pose and
you know, behead turners. So it's just interesting to watch
(12:14):
the whole procession and pomp and circumstance take place as
much as we have that in this kind.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Of and poor Marcus Zuckerberg, poor fellow, I mean, this
is going around and around in just as much a
part of the story as anything, and probably highlighted what
she was wearing more than anything because he was sitting
right next to her during the event. And at some
point you'll see the still image everywhere and the headline
will say Marcus Zuckerberg caught what looking sneaking a peek, yes,
(12:40):
or even staring. Some are saying at her cleavage. And
if you see the image, the still image, it does
look like his eyes are trained down right next to
him where.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
She says, isn't it hard for men? I'm just curious.
You're a man, You're sitting next to a woman wearing that,
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Eyes front, eyes front you. It's a you have to
do it. You have to train yourself to do it.
And I am around and in my career been round
enough and enough pictures have been taken that you do
not ever want to be in that position. And it's
and now I was going to ask you that question.
Back to Zuckerberg. If you look at the video, he's
obviously not staring. He took a glance that. It was
(13:19):
a split second and I'm not even sure if he
was looking down at her chest or not if he
was okay, but I'm saying it was a quick glance.
So if you see a steel frame of him just
staring it, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
An unfair characterization of what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But yes, it does look like he glanced that glances down.
My question to you, to every woman and every guy
is listening, what is proper behavior when someone is dressed
in such a way revealing, sexy, beautiful, whatever you want
to call it, but expose or at least showcasing some
(13:54):
asset of theirs. In such a way, whether that's legs,
whether that's butt, whether that's chest. Is it ever appropriate
to look, not gawk, not stare, not sexualize. Is it
ever okay if you see a guy looking at you
in that asset where it's not offensive.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh, this is such a tricky question. So I am
of the belief not everyone is gonna agree with me.
A lingering glance, a gross lecherous glance. No, never, okay,
that means like lasting more than a second. Like that
to me feels like you're being ogled. Now, I'm not look.
(14:38):
I don't know how people would characterize how I dress.
But if I know that, I'm clearly showing off some cleavage,
which I don't really I don't think that's really my mL.
But if I chose to do that, that's great. If
I chose to, If I, you know what, a short
skirt showing a lot of leg I have absolutely done that.
(14:59):
If some one glances, I would take it as a compliment.
And clearly I'm I'm dressed in a way where I
am showcasing or I am highlighting something that I think
is an asset of mind. I think most women dress
with that in mind. When they think about what they're
gonna wear, especially to a public event where they know
they're going to be photographed or they know they're going
to be cameras. I think you do try at least
(15:20):
I try to say what would I like to highlight?
Would I like to hide? And so if someone glance
is it's something that I want to highlight, I take
it as a compliment. Now there is a facial expression
or a lingering glance that can suggest something that feels not.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
There's so much nuance here.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There is nuance.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
So the timing up. You tell me a second, so
you are speaking on behalf of all women when you
say fellas, you can look for one second and one
second only.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
You can look for a yeah, for like a short
like a glance, a glance. And I am somebody who
said I don't mind if someone says you look nice tonight,
but if you're like, damn, look at those legs or wow,
look at that rack, that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Nobody's gonna say that.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's not what we're talking about, clearly, But this is
this is such a thing where a woman wants to
show off, yes, a particular asset, and then it's viewed
as well.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You better not look at that asset. Look.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I know that I am not speaking for everyone here.
I don't if I'm gonna show something off. I don't
mind if people look.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
But where'd you think of zuckerberber Dickie.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I think it was innocent. I think he loves his wife,
and I think I might have even taken a glance.
I think I might have even taken a glance too,
if I were sitting next to Lauren Sanchez, like damn,
in a complimentary way, not in a judgment.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Way, like I wouldn't have it. The whole ceremony. We've
been talking about what's wrong with TJ's neck. He won't
turn it to the left or right, he's just looking
straight ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Do you think that it's appropriate for man to even
glance at a woman who is dressed a certain way?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I would recommend to every fella on planet Earth don't
do it. Don't just don't do it. It's not worth it.
It's just not. I mean, you see, we all see
beautiful things all day long, and you take a look
at that beautiful thing. You don't have to sexualize, you
don't desire, you're not going after it. It's just not
I've seen guys in nice suits and I'll check him out, like, wow,
(17:20):
that's the cook at the cut on that suit man.
They got rid of that neck roll and everything. Yes,
I've done that.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
It's admiring someone and admiring the beauty of something or someone,
and it's meant in a positive way, not in a
sexual way. And I think you kind of just nailed
it in a way that maybe I was struggling with
how to how to characterize it. But you can tell
immediately the way someone's looking at you As a woman,
I can tell if someone is looking at me in
(17:45):
a complimentary way or in a very sexualized way, and
you just know it. It's like your eyes or your
facial expression. There's something about it that either feels complimentary
or like repulsive.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Well, no guy is going to I think should should
bank on a woman be able, being able to look.
She's gonna know this look is just a friendly look.
It'll be No, fellas, do not leave that for a second.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I'm leading I'm leading men down a dangerous pith. Sorry,
don't look.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Don't listen to this one. But no, it's just one
of it. Bade me think about it all the time,
and I and I get it. It is I would
always err on the side of do not do it.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
That is smart, That is smart.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And I have and I think I've talked to you
about this when it's there, you know what, having a
conversation with someone who has on something that Lauren had
on right exposed right since she waits cleavage, Having a
conversation with those folks that those women think I'm looking
through to their souls because my eye I widen my
eyes and I stare into their eyes the whole time
(18:49):
to make sure she understands I am only looking at
your eyes, dear lady, only looking at your eyes. But no,
that was was fascinating yesterday. Will continue to be talked about.
It just I what's appropriate dress? What's not appropriate dress?
Who gets to say what's appropriate? And I guess how
much freedom does she get to be herself and express
herself in all venues. She didn't walk in there with something.
(19:12):
I mean, she don't walk in there naked. Some people
are saying, well, TJ, did you see it right now? Okay,
I get what you're trying to say, but I mean,
she what's I don't know. I just embrace I see
people walk red carpets. I see people walk down the
streets of New York. I see people dressed all the
time going wow, really.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's an interesting choice.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I think.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I was like, that's a choice, that's kind of the
thing I usually say, Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Even on red carpets, we have seen people go wow,
that was on that that's inappropriate, that's you need to
cover up a little bit. Yes, daring. Well, she's just
a little bit daring in an otherwise place that's usually boring.
And what do you say about John Fetterman? Senator Fetterman
of Pennsylvania showed up at the inauguration in shorts and
(19:58):
a car heart hoodie okay or was it caterpillar? Excuse me,
one of the two. He was in a hoodie and shorts,
so that's in line with him. He walks the halls
of the Senate in that all the time. Is anybody
want to argue that, hey, that's inappropriate for the halls
of Congress, that's inappropriate for an inauguration. Do we want
(20:21):
to go after him?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And I think you make a really good pointe Yeah,
because women aren't threatened by that. And I'm not saying
anyone was threatened by Lauren but I do think somehow
it might strike a chord deep down within a woman, saying,
(20:46):
you know, she is doing something she shouldn't do because
we don't like it, because it makes us feel a
certain way about ourselves. I would never do that. Maybe
I could never pull that look off, and so I'm
annoyed that someone else can so well. I mean, there
are a lot of things I think as women, we
can ask ourselves why we felt something potentially negative about
Lauren Sanchez when she looked gorgeous. So you know, you
(21:08):
can have your own opinion, but maybe it's just this
is a moment to examine why we have those opinions.
And usually when we think something about someone else, it
usually refers back to some issue with our own insecurity,
or our own feelings about our own bodies, or what
we choose to wear. And I just think if we
can all give each other a little bit of a break.
I mean, I was being honest and saying I was
definitely shocked by what she chose, but I really have
(21:30):
tried to examine why she Again, she didn't hurt anyone
by her choices, and she felt good about what she
walked into that room with and who's to say what
she should or shouldn't have done.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I will give I know you saw a lot of
headlines as well, several of you listening to us probably
saw a lot of headlines. This, I thought, Vogue least,
I'll give them credit for this headline. I thought they
struck the best balance that could be struck. Lauren Sanchez
Forgo's inaugurations style codes in a daring white pantsuit and
lace bra.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, you know what that is saying what happened without
any judgment. Yes, and I appreciate that. And if we
can do more of that more often, all of us,
I think, will all be the better for it. Let
people be who they are and express themselves how they
want to express themselves, as long as they're not harming
(22:25):
anyone else in the process.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So it's funny, Sanchez, I didn't react at all. Right,
I'm sitting there with you and I go, oh, it's
a big deal. But the one fashion I thing I
did react to yesterday to the point that I screamed
at you into the other room, say hey, come check
out Milania. You did because she stepped out of that
(22:47):
suv and I said, whoa she was? Put together?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Had to tell you know, it's funny. One of the
headlines that I saw was Malania Trump's patriotic statement, Lauren
Sanchez's faux pas, and Avanka's jack moment. So everyone wanted
to draw a comparison. But Milania we were trying to
figure out because she looked felt sleek, ready for business,
yet so fashionable. And the hat just you were gaga
(23:14):
over the hat.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I was going great, the double breasted jacket, coach she
was wearing, the way it fit, and then complimented with
the perfect matching hat. I thought it was it was
just stunning.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
If she was stunning, agreed and if we can all
you know, I love the idea of looking at these
choices as an expression of yourself of the day and
take it for what it is. But I saw, I read,
and I'm going to read it for you because I
love this. One of the folks who's paid to talk
about fashion said this about Malania's outfit. Milania looks armed
(23:50):
for a historical long day in a Navy look, ready
for battle. Her military inspired look allows her to blend
into the background, but the distinctive boater hat sets her apart.
A wool boater rather than the traditional straw is unexpected
and screams fashion elegant yet effortlessly care free. And I
just thought that was cool because if we can look
(24:11):
at it more of just kind of art in a way,
you know, you're expressing what you want to put out
in the world by how you're dressed from head to toe.
And she really put out a statement and one you
were liking.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Say the designer's name, Adam, I'm so sorry l i
pp E Slippe.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Is I think he's a New York designer.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I'm just messing up his name right now. But
she was wearing a navy wool double breasted coat, navy skirt,
cream blouse. The hat, though, is what got so much
attention by American designer Eric Javits. Now, she's worn hats
from him in the past, so that he made this
one by hand looks great.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But but I know what the butt is.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I the thing that jumped out after I was got
got Google over how she looked. I was then scratching
my hand hand ahead about why she wore something that
seemed the hat at least her face was covered most
of the day.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Her eyes were definitely couldn't see her I.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Mean you couldn't see her on a day that you
know the whole world is going to be watching her.
It's I don't know if it was it was a
choice to wear the hat. Was it a choice to
cover the eyes? It was a choice to wear that
hat that way? I don't know, but it's everything looked great,
but you could not see her eyes for most of
the day.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
But think about it. You love to wear sunglasses. Why
do you love to wear sunglasses other than protecting your
eyes from the sun.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You just brought her home for me. I know why
Malania didn't know, because oftentimes I wear sunglasses. Not because
I'm trying to keep the sun out of my eyes,
but I don't want you to see where my eyes
are going.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
There you go, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You to see what I'm looking at that I'm checking
you out over there trying to check me out. I'm not.
I absolutely and I only learned this strict the past
couple of years. You look at celebrities all the time, Wow,
they wear sunglasses inside Why Yeah, they're flashing bulbs and there.
Don't want you to see what they're looking at. Mark
Zuckerberg could use a pair of sung I was gonna bring.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
The full circle with that exact same thought because she
covered her eyes. But maybe that's just brilliance combined with
excellent fashion taste, because she can look at and react
to what she wants without people knowing where she's looking
and what she's thinking. And you know, the eyes of
(26:22):
the soul are the window to the soul, right, so
when you see someone taking a glance, they shouldn't rolling
their eyes perhaps when they shouldn't reacting. In a lot
of ways, we do it with our eyes. So if
your eyes are covered, you feel free to feel what
you're feeling. And maybe that's exactly what she wanted to
be able to do today while she or yesterday while
she was on full display.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Don't want to suggest at all that that's the case
of making accusation. Oh that's what it was. But it
stood out that you couldn't see her eyes. It stood
out to me on that day, and you know, now
to think about it, I would have been in there
with sunglasses on. That was too much to look at.
I would have been all over the place checking everybody
out in that room. It was incredible.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean we were doing that from our couch without
anyone looking at us looking at them.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It was incredible, but the hat was amazing. Congrats to
this to the American diaer Eric Jabbetts. I believe he's
from New York originally, but he's now based in Florida.
He said he made this by hand, and it's one
thing when the hat's in your hand and you're making it,
he said, But then he saw it on TV and
saw it on her head and it came to life,
and she gave it a whole new life and energy
and elegance and power, I think is the word he
(27:28):
used once she put it on. But she was on
point yesterday.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, and look, you know, people made comments about Ivanka
had a gorgeous green It also looked military esque forest
green skirt suit with a thin black belt and a
matching green hat. She also pulled the hat off. The
hat look off as well, and some people referred to
her as a Jackie Oh moment. Other people were saying
(27:52):
she looked like the wives from Handmaid's Tail. So it's like,
no matter what you wear, some people are gonna like it,
some people aren't, but certainly you are making a statement
with what you choose. And I thought she looked fantastic.
You pointed out Ivanka's daughter who had that cape coat on.
It was like like a beige almost like a rose
(28:12):
beige coat, and you were like, she looks fantastic.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Is there a single dude we can comment on what
he was wearing yesterday? Is there Pete.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Pete Hegsath He had on that his one suit, blue
suit that he also wore. It seemed as if it
were the same one that he wore the confirmation hearing
in the Senate Armed Service.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
But because of the color of his suit. But any who,
what guy's outfit? You want to break down? Whose outfit
did you see? Again? I mentioned the feederman here just
because he wore shorts and a hoodie.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Everyone else had a blue tie or a red tie
or a green tie.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
The former presidents. Were they wearing anything that stood out?
Any senator? Can you remember anybody wearing anything yesterday?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I only remember not a guy, the opera singer had
a velvet jacket on that I thought would have looked
really nice on you without a tie. But everyone else
kind of looked.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
And the reason you remember him is because, wow, he's
not wearing a tie. And you said, you know, he
needs to make sure his Voca gords are loose and
didn't want to time. Okay, we understand what the velvet jack?
Who nobody. I don't remember anybody all day that I
would look at a guy say hmmm, can't think of one.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But it's and it's interesting because.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Our producers over here googling.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, I'm trying to think, does anybody remember anything? Any man?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
You usually yes. But I'm just making the point that
this is how it goes sometimes. If this was a
red carbon event, Hollywood guys do dress better than us senators.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
What they call Washington d C Hollywood for ugly people.
They've said that for a very long time. I did
not say that. That is a phrase. I used to
live in DC and people used to say that all
the time. You know, do you see this Hollywood for
ugly people? Thanks, ma'am. I would say for rich, smart
and powerful people. You don't have to throw in the
barb there because it's not necessarily true. But not quite
like Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But again, I was only making the point, we just
don't remember or what any guy wears. But look, it's
a great here we go. But this is a part
of it, and a part of it I understand a
part of it is still disappointing that so much emphasis
is put on what a woman is wearing, but then
the next step of that seems to be she's attacked
for what she was wearing in very vicious, vicious ways.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Attacked and judged. Like I think that's where I think
it's really tough to actually somehow equate a woman's character,
a woman's worth based on what she's dressed in. And look,
women get it, and especially anyone who has been in
the public eye. Lauren Sanchez worked. She's been in media
(30:38):
for her entire professional career. She has been in front
of cameras her entire professional life, so she knew exactly
what she was doing when she chose the outfit she
was choosing, and that's like, that's good. She We know
what's going to be probably possibly said when we choose
an outfit and walk out in front of the cameras,
and it's just and I just think we should all
(30:59):
give each other a little grace to say, hey, you
looked fantastic.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
But even if you don't want to go that far,
it's a difference between saying I wouldn't wear that, versus
you slut, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
People may saying something that I mean, you can give.
People have opinions, and if you're in the spotlight, you
expected to a certain degree, but that's just so mean. Well,
I can't stay over what she's wearing.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I can't stand the slutshaming, I think. And the truth
is women are most responsible for doing it to one another.
It's it's it's very really a man saying this about
a woman. It is women saying it about other women.
And so I think we can all maybe just you know,
I would just love for us to be able to
support one another. And if you, you know, go back
to what your mom told you, if you don't have
(31:42):
something nice to say, don't say anything at all. And
I think it's okay to say it was a little shocking.
I think it's okay to say, wow, I've never seen
that before. Is that appropriate to wear to the Capitol
rotunda for a presidential inauguration? I haven't seen that before,
but wow, I mean she wears it well, and those
kind of were my my headspace was, well.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
She fits right in in DC right now because there's
a lot going on there we ain't ever seen before,
and it will be for the next four years. So folks, yes,
with that, you know, does Sydney have a microphone in
front of her? Over there by?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Actually, it's funny. We have Sydney in here, one of
our amazing producers, and I was going to ask her
a question, but I too didn't know if she had
a microphone.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I wanted to ask this earlier. Yeah, I wanted to
ask earlier. You would be another opinion woman in the
room about Lauren Sanchez and what your no. I had no.
Actually the question I want to ask you might have
a different one. What are guys? What would you be
your recommendation for what guys should do when a woman
you wearing something revealing or you're accentuating a particular asset
(32:40):
of yours, but if the guy their looks, it's usually
deemed inappropriate. Where do you come down on that?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I honestly agreed with Amy. I agreed with what you
had to say, Like, there is a difference between you know,
making a comment or like, but if I'm wearing something
that I I know is a little bit revealing, like
a skirt or a top, I know what's gonna come
from that, And I am like that that's it's on purpose,
(33:09):
like I.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But on purpose. You didn't go that far on purpose?
Oh you? But you do?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know you're going to get attention.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
But do you want okay, do you want it? Yes? Yes,
if I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Wearing that, I want attention. But I just think time
and place for miss Sanchez that was and she knows
the time and she knows the place, and she made
a decision exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
So I'm naive to think that she just decided, you
know what, I'll wear this today and didn't think you're
laughing at me. You think I'm naive to think you're cute? Okay?
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And the planning that goes into an outfit for an
event that big, she knew.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
And she knew all eyes were going to be honest.
We saw her looking around for the cameras. You and
I both noticed that, like you know what, or.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
She might have been just looking to see where her
friends were that were coming behind her. That could have
been all kinds of things. You and I both know
better than to assume what's going on, even from what
is right in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I agree with you. My point was she knew people
were looking. It's intentional, right, Well, and I'm not upset
about it. I mean, we all do it. If we
all want to be honest about it, we all do it.
And if you make a choice with an outfit, you
might be like, what are people saying? What are they doing?
What are they thinking? And that's a natural human response,
(34:25):
I think, But yes, it's a.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Choice right well, folks, we appreciate you, But there's the
thing with us as always, you know, you can always
catch us and going to run with us every single
morning Monday through Friday, The Morning Run. It's our daily
news podcast that you can check out as well. But
for now, we appreciate you spending some time with us.
For our super producers Andy and Sydney who are in
(34:47):
the room.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm DJ and I'm Amy Robot. Have a great day everyone,
Hosts And Creators
Amy Robach
T.J. Holmes
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.