April 5, 2024 • 54 mins
Blaine Anderson himself is on the pod!! And his stories are so good we are back with Part 2!
Darren Criss joins Jenna and Kevin to talk about his journey on Glee, including meeting Chris Colfer for the first time and the sweet and funny story of what Darren did to get to know Chris better. He also breaks down the filming of "Somewhere Only We Know," shares his favorite Glee songs, and cringe…he talks about his most unhinged storyline.
Plus, Darren reveals how he really feels now about his time on Glee, his first time hanging out with Dianna and Naya, and a crazy full-circle moment involving Glee and Comic Con you won't want to miss!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to and that's what you really miss podcasts. This
is Darren Chris Part two. Boo boo boo, boo boo.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
He's the best storyteller. This episode could have been eight
hours long and I wouldn't have been mad.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We literally don't have to do anything. He just has
to talk and didn't like the best way possible.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, just prompted a little bit and then he just
goes so without further ado. Here's the rest of our
conversation with Darren Chris.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
What was your favorite Warbler song to do? And speaking
of music, I.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Mean, gosh, I'm sure people ask you guys all the
time what your favorite number was, and it's hard because
there were so many, And so there's the differentiation between
what was fun too a song I liked next to
how much fun I had like shooting it right and
(01:00):
like what the day was, you know?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, yeah, we have a hard time seperating like seasons
that way, because we were so attached to some seasons.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And then it's the memory versus watching it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I remember the making far more than I remember the
seeing it because I haven't watched many episodes of Glee,
not by avoiding it just because I just I just
never got around to I never got around to it.
So or I would watch the premieres with you guys,
which I've always loved. I loved, like I didn't ever
(01:32):
want to watch it, not with people I made it with,
Like if I missed, because we listeners should know that
we would at lunchtime. I loved that. That's such a
fun memory. Lunchtime we would go into one of the
theaters and watch whatever we had just made and with
the people we made it with, and everyone's rooting.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
For each other, the crew. It's so cool to watch it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, and everyone's having to laugh and knowing what it
was like to make. And so if I missed those
for whatever reason, if I wasn't there that day, then
I would just like never see the episode because I
only wanted to experience it with the people that I
made it with. Yeah, that was really really, really special.
But having said that, my memories are more tied to
the days, so uh, and I definitely want I watched
(02:12):
all the musical numbers for sure, like you know, because
they'd be on YouTube or whatever. So I would have
an ability to see them much easier. Yeah than like
if I missed it nine o'clock at fuck eight o'clock
on Tuesday then But I don't know. I for Warbler stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I mean, there's definitely a fan favorite.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I think, what's a fan favorite somewhere only we know?
M hmm, yeah, somewhere only we know. I cannot believe
became a fan favorite because that didn't really emerge from
my to my attention until like the Pandemic and TikTok.
It was like when I was doing the show like
Teenage Dream, that was like the moment for me and
(02:51):
for everybody. And I love teenagers like I have no like,
I'm happy to do it. I love playing it at concerts.
It's my favorite. Like no complaints about about that song
at all. There were so many funny things about Somewhere
only we know, which is a the resurgence of it
that happened. I think there was like a on TikTok
it was like a slowed down version of it or something,
and that got picked up and that was and then
(03:13):
that shot up as at least on streaming O. That's
the the marker of like well it is frankly, is
it is the marker of if.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
On Spotify?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I think, shut up, really, I think it might be. Yeah, oh,
I thought it was the most streamed as one of
my of mine. But if it is, that's because of TikTok,
because there's a new audience. So, I guys, Keen was
like one of my favorite bands in high school. I'm like,
we've talked about our love for ang anglophilic shit, Kevin,
you and I love we love Keen, we love we
(03:44):
love McFly, We have like we obsessed with British pop charts.
We talked a lot about this, Kevin and I for
a British fans, you'll appreciate like we like two thousands
British pop rock charts. Is like we love gold Standard.
So I'm a senior in high school, which is like
one of the most potent years of music conception of
your life. I'm starting to drive, you know, the CDs
(04:07):
that are in your car when you're starting to have
agency of your destiny, like driving a car like that,
those are the fucking you know yea.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I remember the first CD when I got my license,
like it yeah, imprinted.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
But that but that moment I was going to say,
is like how driver's license is written. You know, it's
those nineteen eighteen years old experiences and moments in your
car feel like you're the king of the world and
everything speaks to you in this really amazing way. It's
it's a it's a really magical time. So Keen. I
remember going on a trip, my first trip to London
with my parents. I was like seventeen or eighteen, and
(04:40):
I saw a music video and I always watched like
foreign countries MTV because you know, it's it's not what
would be playing here, and it's not that we like
we were not in the global cultural economy that we
are now where I can, like I have easy as
much access to like the top one hundred.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And even buy songs off of iTunes in another country right.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Off of like HM v UK oh nice, Yeah dude,
I remember that shit, yeah, getting it on the well
or or I would I would buy records when I
was there, Like I would go to the record stores
locally and see what was going on. So I saw
a video for a song by Keene, which was the
single they were pushing at the time, was a song
called Everybody's Changing. That was I think the single off
(05:23):
that album was not somewhere only we know. And I
remember buying this record as ston as I could. Maybe
I bought it in London or I bought it when
I came back, But anyway, my senior year was sort
of scored by their album Hopes and Fears, And uh,
I can I remember so vividly all the drives, like
with friends, like blasting the ship. You know, that feeling
that's just goosebumps central, you know. So imagine my surprise
(05:46):
when years later, I'm I'm reading a script it since
Summer only, you know, by Keen, and I'm like, Okay,
this isn't exactly like a popular song, Like this is
a song that I like, I don't ever was it
that popular? And maybe in the think did you know
the song? In my mind, I didn't know it. Maybe
in my mind I thought it was just this song
(06:06):
that but certainly not as popular as the other ones
that were knowing it was like this, this wouldn't have
made the cut of songs that would be obviously done
by by me. Uh, And so I was like, cool,
I don't know who's calling these shots. But I happened
to have a very personal connection with this song, and
I remember doing this recond I record and I recorded
it with the same guy in the same way. Did
(06:28):
I go to near for this one. I think by
this point we started doing it in La. It's getting expensive,
I know, to make it right. So I was doing
it in La and I remember just being really weirded
out by it, because like, I love this record and
(06:48):
I'm like hearing my voice on it. I kept going
shut up, like like I want to hear I forget
his name, but I want I want to the real
singer like yet, So I didn't dislike it. I just
kind of had this oh God, I don't know, like
this is such a great record and I don't want
to like tarnish this. Yeah, and uh, and that's how
(07:10):
I felt. I was like, this is not the best
representation of this song that I love so much. And
then on the day we were at that school Burstein
YEP with Bernstein High and Uh. I have really sensitive eyes.
I don't know if it's a light eye thing, but
like Courty was so bright. It was really bright, and
(07:33):
it was a day where they had like those giant mirrors.
It was like a comedy routine where I was already
like the fuck what's going on? And then they go
like it was melting. My eyes are getting fucking melted
out of my sockets, and I remember I have to
like sing to Chris and every angle they went, this
was the day that I learned this one trick that
I'm sure optometerist would tell me it's a terrible idea,
(07:53):
but apparently it's a trick where if you, if it's
too bright for your eyes, close your eyes and look
right at the sun. I remember, yeah, and so just
to get your eyes as used to a bright So
I'm sure this is a horrible idea, but I would
do it and then open I'm like, you have three
seconds because if you're filming this and using this this
(08:14):
becomes the internet, it would be like and action. So yeah,
like it was so hard, So I have to watch
it again because I forget. I just remember the entire
time shooting it, going like god damn it, it's so
bright out. The song is not as good as the
original record, and I have to like act and all
I can do is this. I'm like tearing up, and
(08:35):
I remember asking can I wear sunglasses? Like at the time,
like there was a pink sunglasses thing that was like
my trade berk before I got in the show, and
so they wanted to put in there. It's the whole thing.
But I just remember doing that. I just it was
so hard. I was squinty McGee doing this. Maybe they
thought I was like really emoting. I was just barely
trying to keep my fucking eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I don't think I noticed it, But that's really funny.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's also such a good I forgot how bright that
would be, like filming there at a certain time of day,
if it was sunny reflecting.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, it's like, really that was hard, but that's what
I remember the most, and so now people have this.
But the lesson that I take away from this is
a reinforcement something I wheartily believe in, which is once
you make something in like if you make a piece
of art and it's released to the world, it does
not belong to you anymore, and it never did in
(09:29):
the first place. Like whatever experience people have with something
that you made, it belongs to them and their experience
and how they experienced it. Like I'm never gonna sit
here and like pooh pooh. People's like positive response to that,
like what a beautiful thing, Like they're supremely unaware of
my like kind of funny relationship with it. I'm not
saying I dislike it. I just had like a flimsy
kind of you know, connection to it, you know, as
(09:51):
shooting it and recording it. But people really love it,
and like that's all that matters. Like they don't they
don't give Yeah, well I love that people love it,
So that's, you know, something that I owe them to,
you know, be like, well, if you love it, then
like let's love it together, you know, like that's all
that matters. There was a girl that I did, Kadiza,
I'll shout out Kadijah, who was one of our urchins
in Little Shop who she she joined the show when
(10:14):
she was eighteen and she turned twenty one during our run.
I mean, she's grown up doing this show and she is,
you know, a young gleek. She loves glee and hearing.
She she really loves that song, and I love this girl.
So I'm just like fuck yeah, dude, Like that's so special,
Like what an amazing thing. It is so cool, like
getting the.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Twenty one year old knows su Quinez or like a
song like yes exactly, because ultimately it's promoting the band
that you love exactly, they get the check, you get
to hear their music great.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Exactly, And and it's just like that show was such
a gateway for so many other people, Like I'm not
gonna lie like the first like I didn't hear about
I don't know led Zeppelin because of like growing up
in the seventies. It's because they were on a soundtrack
for a movie that I loved growing up in the nineties.
So it's like there's there's gotta be some gateway, Like
it's not all gonna be because you were there in
that moment. Like there's like she really got into musical
(11:02):
theater and it is now doing a musical theater show
with me because of Glee, And I'm like, that's fucking amazing. Also,
you're saying a twenty one year old that knows Keen.
I'm like a twenty one year old that knows Glee.
There's still I mean, you guys must be experienced this
all the time. Like it's amazing that there's this new
there's there's still seems to be this interest that I
thought would be outdated, but it still seems to.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I know a lot of New York, like New York
when I go, because people are just out more. You're
in the streets and things. Yeah, yeah, LA don't really
feel it. But if I go to New York, I'm like, damn,
why are you guys still watching this?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, it's well. Also, you know, there are some things
there you go like that's definitely specific to that time.
So I don't know if I would necessarily do that now,
but but yeah, people seem to not give a shit.
They stick to the the thing that is the most fun,
which is like the the vibrancy and the youthfulness and
the and the fun and and and for lack of
(11:56):
a better fucking word, the glee of it all. Yeah,
literally and figures in the music. So yeah, it's going
twenty one. Yeah, crazy, she loves that shit, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, it is. It is nice that I feel like
that generation that has had that has found it the
past couple of years inherently understands that it was of
a different era, a different time. Yeah, because obviously there
are things that have not aged well, but like, you
can't go back and redo it, but it is, but it.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Is well because it's that's not the main that's not
what the show's now just in the way that there
are things in Friends that I go it doesn't really
work now, but it's such a nominal part of what
makes Friends great and sort of like everlasting, that it's
not gonna, like, you know, delete it from its like potency.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I want to hear about when you first started
working with Chris, because obviously, I mean Chris and Darren,
Blaine and Kurt became a worldwide cultural sensation, and as
(13:06):
a closet gay kid growing up, I would I was
desperate for any you're gay. Sometimes what shocking is is
is Darren's not. And I walked up on Darren once.
I felt like I caught him watching porn.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Go on, Where's where's this going?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He's sitting in the auditorium and I go up and
I'm looking at it, see over his shoulder, like what
he's watching. And I sit next to him and he
looks at me like dad just walked in and caught me.
He was watching a Judy Garland video on YouTube, the
Judy Garden Christ Special, and all he says is, I
know I'm like gay, but without allay all the gay stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Thank you. I feel seen. I feel like I'm aspirationally gay.
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It was the perfect summation. I was like, thank you, Yeah,
it was great.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, I'm I'm a season ticket holder, like lifetime subscriber
of gay culture, like like the huge majority of the
things that I admire aspire to be try and like copy,
Like it's it's all from queer culture. So it's like
I make no I'm no pretense about my absolute love
(14:23):
of what we can affectually call gay shit. Gay shit
is my shit ndred percent.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So how did you feel coming into the show to
that storyline?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Like how well, you know we were talking about earlier
about me having this background in you know, in like
in create creating stuff and music, and in many regards,
it's this sort of slum dog millionaire moment where like
the questions asked for were the answers that I'd kind
of come in knowing just by sheer coincidence and serendipity.
I talked about this to great length when we were
(14:54):
kind of going around the press circuit of like my
time on Glee when I really came in. But d
I grew up in San Francisco in the nineties, like
I have not that that makes me some fucking like
hyper authority on the gay experience. I wasn't about to,
like straight splain gayness in any way, shape or form.
And I think anytime I talk about this, people who
(15:16):
are maybe perhaps a less less attuned to the grace
of allowing people to have their experience in relativity to
others might kind of misconstrue this. This what I'm trying
to say. But I came in with luckily, I think
the tools to kind of really appreciate what I was
(15:36):
doing in some way. And again that doesn't make me
some fucking saint or anything. I just so happened to
have had a very strong and comfortable relationship with queerness itself.
It wasn't a thing that was like, oh, like, it's
just like so much of my like I live a
very culturally queer life, like the people around me and
(15:59):
like the thing that I like, it's just it's just
such a part of the way that I experience life
that getting to be the guy that got to represent
that I felt was a huge responsibility. But also I
was like, man, I am glad that it's me because
I don't mind doing like talking about this or like
(16:20):
I don't get skittish about like oh I gotta talk.
It's like, no, I love this is this is a
community of men and women that I love dearly and
feel so connected to, like on so many levels that
I go few Like it'd be just like if you know,
if I'm playing like a fucking like pro baseball player,
i'd be like anything of like like I know basic
(16:42):
sort of like surface level shit about baseball, but like like, yeah,
I saw moneyball, like I like, I like the giants,
like I know, I know the players that I grew
up loving, but I don't I can't, like I can't
talk literally inside baseball. But like there like there is
the the the the gay struggle, the gay narrative that
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I grew up around. I had enough understanding of and
comfort with that it wasn't foreign. And again I'm not
saying I was an expert or that like I was
the only person for the job. By no fucking means,
I just go well, and compared to a lot of
other people, like I perhaps was well suited to be
(17:23):
put in this position. Obviously there's still a lot to learn,
is still a lot to kind of navigate, but like,
it didn't scare me. It was wildly exciting, Like it
was a very fun thing to be a part of. Now,
speaking of gay shit, this is one of my favorite
stories with meeting Chris Colfer. So, Chris and we used
to joke on paper, and I think Chris would corroborate
this that on paper, like I'm like culturally way gayer
(17:44):
than Chris. Wonderful thing that Chris said. I think I
was talking about like old movies or some like you know,
broad stereotype about like you know, like gay men, about
like knowing like old Hollywood musicals or stuff like this,
that is the stereotypes. And I was like going off
on like some movie or some musical and I was like,
you don't know, blah blah blah. And then Chris Fantasy
said to me, He's like, can I just be gay
(18:06):
without the whole like gay thing? And he is right
like that, you know, there's a spectrum of all experiences.
Like it's unfair that there are certain things that you're
you're expected to be familiar with, Like that's just ridiculous,
you know, So I happen to know a certain amount
of things just because it interested me. But why I
bring that up? So oh so gay shit. So when
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I meet Chris and you know, I've watched him on TV,
like I know how much people love him, Like I'm
supremely aware of like this relationship. Anytime spent with him
will be near impossible outside of Glee once the episode
is on. So, guys, and I give fo's a very
sweet story, which is why I will forever have such
(18:47):
affection for Chris Colfer. I met him the first day.
It was a scene where we were at Burns back
to Bernstein Bernstein, Bernstein, Tomato Tomato, and we go Karowski.
Max Adler, who's the first person I ever met from Glee,
by the way, who was Who's why He's always such
a sweetheart in my book? He was so nice to me.
The first is he like pins him up against the
(19:08):
fucking like wall. And you know this are the three
guys that I meet is Max Adler and Chris Colfer.
And uh, for anybody listening, going like, where's he going
with this with this gay shit thing? Oh Buffalo seat belts.
So I U I had tickets to go see Sonton
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Foster do her concert, her cabaret concert. Bro that I
am to go see her at your c LA And
this is.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
What I'm saying, ship.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, Yeah, I love I love that I can say
this now. I think that like the like the culture
around has more of like a tongue in cheap relationship
with getting to talk what we're talking about. If I
said this years ago, people would be so We've get
so many things in a twist about what I'm saying.
It's like, dude, like, come on, we're all having fun here,
like we we all love each other, we all like
respect each other's like experience. Yeah, thank you very much.
(20:10):
So I so I have tickets to go see some
fucking Fosters you do across town. I think like the
next day or that night if it's that If it's
that night, then I really like, oh, Chris even more credit.
I've just met this person, okay, and he's like a
big deal, right, He's like a very recognizable like cultural
(20:33):
figure at this point. Yeah, And I say like, hey, man,
like and this is just how I operate, Like, Hey,
if we're gonna be doing this thing together, it'd be
nice to get dinner sometime and like maybe talk about
what we're gonna do and get to know each other
a little better. If we're gonna spend time with each other,
And I remember saying that. I was like, dude, you know,
it'd be nice to kind of talk about this stuff.
And I remember thinking, like, as soon as the episode
comes out, we can never be seen together in public
(20:54):
because I just be weird or or would make this
person feel uncomfortable. So I said, hey, man, I have
an extra ticket to see Sutton Foster tonight, Like, do
you want to go like my treat, Like, let's get
some dinner to get to know each other a little
bit because we have all these scenes coming up, and
be nice to you know, just to start this relationship
(21:16):
in a more personal way than what we're doing on set.
And bless his fucking heart, he said yes, Chris, Chris Colfer,
who doesn't leave his house, like I said yes to me,
and certainly at this time, and it was really sweet.
We went to uh we went to uc I forget
the concert space in the UCLA. I don't know if
they still do it, but whatever concert serious they had.
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We went to go see her, and I remember being
around people like everyone's bum rushing him taking pictures and
I feel kind of bad, and he was. He was
already pretty good at like, you know, like balancing that
act of being gracious, but you know, not trying to
start a thing. And we went to go see Sutton
Foster and it was awesome because Sutton Foster rules. And
then we and then we got we got sushi afterwards,
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and I was just asking about the I forget my questions,
but I was asking about the part. I was asking
about the process and just trying to do as much
as I could. And I think that is the last
and only time we ever went out just the two
of us in like a public space. And I'm so
glad we'll always have Sutton Foster, me and my story.
I love telling that story. Yeah, but also that's s
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gay as fuck. I had in the best way possible.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I'm actually great.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
So yeah, that's how it all started. Was that was
my first like day with another because I had done stuff.
I don't know if I've even shot with the Warblers
at this point, but either way, I had never met
anybody from your guys as set. We were two different
planets a long time. I was on my own show,
different building.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
By the time we ever interacting with you guys, you
guys were your own like click family.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah. Yeah, and I mean I even remember like tour
was really the first time I ever got to spend
time with you guys. Like personally, I'll never forget like
walking around Toronto by myself and you know me, Jenna,
I'm always the last one of the party, but I'll
be there, always last one in so many ways, literally
and figuratively, I'm the last one to know everything because
I never know what's going on. But I'll get there eventually.
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If you guys are throwing a party, I'll be there.
I'll just be there like two in the morning, ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Literally.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I will say this in your defense. I was just
having this conversation with somebody yesterday about people who are really,
really present, and like John Graff is up there, Matt
Boehmer is up there at your brother, and of course, yeah,
you're up there, because I think when you are really
present and whenever you're doing you might be the last
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one to get somewhere or find out something because you
were just like you're face to face whatever's in front
of you. You are really there and engaged in it.
And I think it's.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
That well, I I, well, this is why I was
bugging out about not being here. Like if I'm I'm
really I always say I'm LA's worst nightmare with making
plans because if I say I'm gonna be there, I'll
fucking be there like im. And if I'm not, I'm
gonna explain why and what happened. If you're the kind
of person that meets me to party, you let's drink
some time, I go okay, and I fucking remember it,
and I make time and plans because you said let's
(24:27):
get drinks, so I go okay. Like there's no casualness
if you have a thing, like I'll fucking be there, Like,
don't say come through. I don't want me to come through,
because I'll come through. But having said that, this is
the setup to being in Toronto and just kind of
like walking around on my own. You can just do
my thing and I'm just getting drinks with the Warblers.
We had a really fun day whatever it was. I
(24:48):
was just walking around and I remember walking into a
bar and uh Nya and Diana were just like having
drinks in the back. And at this point I don't
really know them. There's just these two like beautiful, like
all angelic ladies that I've been somewhat in proximity of,
and I remember it was like, oh, hey, what's going on?
They're like, yeah, come sit down. We like kind of
tied one on and having a good time. And I
just remember there was like at the end of that,
(25:09):
it was like, still gonna meet you guys. You guys
are a lot of fun. This is great. I had
never spent time with them, you know, I ran into
them in a bar because I again, we were in
separate spaces. But that was like the first time I
ever got to hang out and talk with them a
little bit. So yeah, in many ways, that was how
did they come up? Kevin was talking about just.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
The tour, talking about tour, like the tour, Yeah, finally
being able to hang out with you exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Those tour moments were so special, like when we know
we would pair off for like group up in different
groupings and like go around a city and do things.
I loved those moments.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Did you guys know that what we were doing was extraordinary?
Because I fucking did, Like I I definitely knew. Not
saying we were extraordinary, I'm saying the circumstance to the
arena tour. I was supremely aware in the moment. I
was like, this is not how people do things in
any situation in less.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yours, then I think you have a different person.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I knew sad, yeah, because you would tour it around
a little bit. Yeah, I knew that. Like yeah, I
was like we were the only ones maybe yeah, because well,
to be fair, like nobody really there signed up that
they were going to be like you know, pseudo pop stars.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No, it's exactly what you were saying, because I remember
when we got to London and the girls were having
a tough go of it the first day, and I
remember walking to the stage and you know, people were
like I just want to go home and see my family,
and I was like, we have seven sold out shows
at the O two two. That is never happening again
(26:49):
for any of us. That is bonkers. People work their
entire lives to hope the statistically not and it's just
like absolutely insane. But in that moment, I also had
the realization that I'm with a lot of people who
have been on Broadway, and if someone said to me,
you have to go do X amount of shows on
(27:12):
Broadway and that's all you're doing, I'd be like, fuck,
I don't want to do that because that is not
my dream. That is like at that age I had
zero relationship to musical theater, That's right, and so me
getting to go two or whatever arena that we were
at was my dream realized. And so I understood that, Okay,
(27:34):
these people don't have the perspective because this is this
was never their dream to do this.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, you're right, like nobody and why would we have.
I mean even I like, I'm not going to sit
here and pretend that I had like massive touring experience.
I just had. I don't know, it just kind of
objectively nowhere went what was happening and like getting you know,
our own plane in our own bus. I was like
Jesus Christ, like.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
That was insane. I think there were just different price
alreadies people had at that time.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
People A lot of the girls like wanted to see
their family, they wanted to rest, they wanted to go home.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Which understand for you guys for sure, yes you had
you had a tough I have to give you guys credit.
And I always talk about this when people ask the
they talk ask about like the sort of boot camp
that was Glee. Again, my time on that show, I
I completely acknowledge was so charmed. Like again, I had
I had the the Golden ticket of like coming in
(28:27):
you know, after you guys had built it, like the
machine was built again, turnkey apartment, all the amenities, furnished everything,
Like everything was kind of handed to me in a
way that I count my lucky stars every day. I
cannot believe the extraordinary circumstances which was on which I
got to just ride the magic carpet on top of this.
By the time I had joined it, I've done the
I've done the reverse engineering and kind of like added
(28:50):
it up. You guys shot your pilot. You did the
Australia thing, right. You did this promo in Australia like
a trail Wow. No, then you then you shot shot
more a back nine right, and then you correct me wrong.
And then you did like a mini tour like a
(29:11):
radio city thing it was for then you and then
you went and then you went right back into shooting
season two. And then right after season two you went
on this tour. You had like a good two to
three years maybe two years of just like fucking every NonStop.
I come in at like the eleventh hour, like, hey, guys,
(29:33):
like he has this guy's way from energy. Yeah we
were tired. Yeah, but I'm not shooting every day. I'm
shooting like maybe a day or two. And when I do,
it's just my shit as opposed to like you guys
are in the cruise. So it's like those long days
where it's someone else's thing and it's exhausting, right because
you're like, I'll show up if I'm doing my thing.
(29:53):
But you know, the giving everybody representation on the pie
was hard, right, So for me, like it was all
if I was there, then I was doing something. Even
on the tour, guys, if you remember, you did eighty
five percent of the show, I park my fucking blazered
ass on stage for like ten minutes, do three songs
and Bob's your uncle, Yeah, and I was out.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
We'd be heading to stage and I'd see Darren backstage
like not dressed. It was like, oh yeah, he's got
another hour.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, like like on a skateboard, just cruising around a
fucking arena, gotting travel, traveling around the world, like.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Walking in with food the crowd. I was in there,
the show was starting in minutes, and he just like
walked in like, hey, guys, have a good shit.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah, I'm telling you, like I know how Like I
would have punched me in the fucking day. I was
fuck this guy, Like I totally understood what was going on,
and like, I'm playing video games with the fucking Wards
in the back because you guys are working your asses
off upstairs and all the stuff. And I came on
for the last few numbers with you guys, but yeah,
the War Wars came up for like just a couple
of songs and like, and that was it. So it
(30:54):
was again so charmed for me. But when I was
realizing what was happening, I was like, these guys are
so like like they've been run ragged and uh. And
this did cause cause very understandable contention. I know, there
was a lot of stuff with I think we got
watches out of it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh god, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Watching.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
There was a bit of a wow, you guys been
working really hard, so here's your rolexes. I mean, I'm
a like, listen, my grandkids are gonna get that fucking watch.
Like I I got it.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I I mean I ensured mine and then it got stolen.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
So all the time quarters with me. Just a couple
of days ago, I came to see little Shop and
we went out afterwards about the same way.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I was like, you had your brother Matt Bomer come
visit you.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
How was that I did? He didn't tell me. I
I like it. I like knowing when people come to shows,
you'll you know this once you guys do Little Shop
or whatever Broadway show or whatever theater show you do
one day. Some people are very like I don't like knowing.
I'd get too nervous. I love knowing he's in the
audience because it makes me work harder where I'm like,
oh this was yeah, or if like I'm tired. It's
(32:08):
like a matinee and a Saturday Jenna, and like if
you and I were sitting there going like do you
know anybody? And you say no, and I say I
don't know anybody out there, we go, okay, let's just
like just want phone it in. But let's just like
kind of we can put a lid on it. We
won't go plus yeah exactly, c plus passing grade performance
just to savor energy for the Saturday night performance. But
if you told me fucking Sam Rockwell's in the house,
(32:31):
I go, oh shit, yeah, let's yeah, let's go coffee bang,
Like let's do it for Sam, you know him, because
i'd be like, I know, but I get excited about that,
and not to disrespect any of the people who are
there to see you and your audience. You know, you
do every day and you're tired. You need some juice.
So uh yeah. I remember he didn't tell me, and
(32:54):
I was like, man, how come we didn't tell me
you were here? But I saw him afterwards and he
looked like a fucking god.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
He always looks like a guy.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
God.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He is so gorgeous, painfully handsome.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It's like piercing eyes.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I know. Yeah. I say this about Evan rachel Wood too,
especially the hair, but they look like American war propaganda.
Like if I saw a poster of Matt Bomer pointing
at me with that jawline in those eyes and a
nice suit being like, join us, I'll be like, okay,
I'll jump on a fucking mind for you. You seem
(33:30):
like a sensible, handsome gentleman. Yeah. It's it's painful, and
it's worse in person.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Because that it's not as good as he.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Is a gorgeous man. Holy ship. When I heard that
he was playing my brother, I was like, that's I'm
very flattered, but like.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Are my favorite episodes of this season, and it is.
It is the funniest performance. He gives the funny his
fucking performance. It was totally underrated in my book until
I rewatched it and was like, what how did I
miss it?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I got it?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I got to watch that so good. I love that episode.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
My relationship with Matt would evolve because he ended up
directing me on uh and was he directed on the episode?
He was so great, it was so fun. Oh my god,
what a dear lovely man. He should be his his
his likeness should be like protected by the US government,
likes like he's one of our finest specimens as human. Yeah,
(34:35):
he's actually nicer than he is hot, because actually it's not.
I don't think he can be anything more than he
is hot. So he's Yes, he's probably just slightly nicer,
less nicer than he is hot, because anymore than.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, so he came to which is annoying.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
You know what this is gonna find Matt Bohmer. So
I'm just gonna and say, you know what, fuck you,
Matt Bohmer, fuck you and your beautiful family whole thing.
Just take that much goodness, much good no more of you, please, copy,
copy paste paste paste paste paste.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Please, No, we love Matt Bomer. Okay, I have a
rabid fire for you, Darren.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
You know this isn't gonna go well. You know you're
gonna ask me a quick thing. I'm gonna give you
twenty minute answer.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
So I have a.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Question for you and then you can tell your story.
So I have a line up there.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Okay, Okay, okay, a plan.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, So what is your favorite song from Glee?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
And it could be performance, it could be song, it
could be experienced.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
You pick you, just pick one. You don't have to,
it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I'll say Jacob Artists was one of the most talented
parts of that show, and had he joined the first season,
he would be justin Timberlake. I think he would be
at a place where he'd be if that's what he
wanted to do, because that that being that level requires
the drive to want to do that. So I'm not
(35:53):
saying if he wanted it, I think that could have
been in his in his future. So he did many
songs that I just remember going like this kid is amazing.
Remember what he's rhythm nation?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, without like without You.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I was gonna say, was one of my favorites. He
was one of my favorite things to watch.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
But what.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
His He just sounded so beautiful. He looks great, he
dances great, he sings great. Like I just was so obsessed.
He was like, it's it's all about timing. Like I
think at that point, you know, the sort of the
white hot flame of Glee had started to wane a
little bit in the in the in the public sort
(36:40):
of like appetite and uh by no fault of his own.
I just like I I'm always shocked when people say
we're just Fay Party Glee and I say Jacob Artists
and like, and they don't know who I'm talking about,
Like you mean the kid that fucking came in and
like rocked the fucking ship out of it. Like, yeah,
I don't remember his I don't remember his character name Jake.
(37:01):
Was it Jake? Maybe that's what I don't remember because
it's just his name, Jake. God. I also love reminding
people that Phineas was on our show. That's always a fun.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I actually don't think I ever met him.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Really, he was there on I Lived.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
I had an a conversation. You know what's crazy is
Phineas performs even though you didn't record it. He's like
lip syncing. I have Phineas on camera performing a song
that I wrote and produced because I wrote a song.
I wrote a song called Rise that was on an
episode where the kids sang it. Yeah, and it's just
weird now that I go, like what I wouldn't do
(37:39):
for Phineas cut? But boy has a Darren Chris cut.
He doesn't really because he's just lip syncing and he
didn't actually do anything on But yeah, Phineas. Oh, just
as far as the kids that came in the latter
hours of Glee, even though Jake came much earlier than Phineas.
I remember talking to Phineas at I think I told
him the story recently because he's like about town, Like
holy shit, Actually it's not sure he's not about town,
(38:01):
but boy, I ran into him and me getting excited
wanting to talk to him and like wondering if I'd
get the opportunity because he's, you know, basically like the
he is the A team at the moment. M hmm.
So oh, I was gonna say, uh, I got to
I was at this event with him and I was
reminding him, oh, because this is what happened is the story?
Remember when he was because he was seventeen.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Isn't that crazy? Because my sister told me a story
a couple of weeks ago about how because she was
there that day and talked with him for a long time,
she's like, yeah, he said like, oh yeah, my sister
and I just like starting to make some music.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yes, So this is what I remember, and maybe my
memory is augmenting it because obviously we now know what
kind of became of them. But we talked a lot
about music, and even then I remember being very taken
with him, and you know, you meet people with her
energy where they're so eloquent about a thing that I'm like,
you're probably I'm just gonna go ahead and bet the
fucking farm on you're probably very good.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He talked like he was exactly.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
He was an old soul exactly. He was like we
were talking about production and music writing and guitar playing,
and I was like, oh, like, this is a teenager,
and like in my mind the dog years between like
seventeen and what, I'm twenty six or something like almost
ten years older than this guy. And I was like,
you're so young, and he's talking about producing music and
writing music. And I was really impressed, and I remember
he invited me. He's like, he's like, I have a
thing with my sister, and I don't know what their
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age gap is. What is it, like five years?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I don't know something like that.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
I think, let's say it's five years, so Billie's twelve.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Okay, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Maybe getting the math wrong. I just but just for
the purpose of the story, like if it's a five years,
she's very, very very young. So I'm sitting we're talking
about this, and he's like, yeah, Like I was like,
and I asked this anytime my musicians. I was, oh,
he just gigging or anything. And then he's yeah, actually
we're paying like a like a little fair. Me and
my sister. We're doing this thing. It's like in our neighborhood.
We're playing. It was maybe like a street fair or
(39:48):
something and or some small thing. Maybe I've gotten it wrong. Athhenius.
Ever hears this, it'll be like, dude, it was the
fucking Troubadour, Like who knows, but whatever it was, it
was some small thing with his sister. But I just
remember him saying I come through and maybe like that
sounds great man, I don't have to be able to
make it. But you know, anyway, like I said, you
asked one question and give you different answer. So Jacob
artists without you. That's one that's like any of the
(40:08):
stuff that he did. I think. Yeah, So it was
so beautiful and I was very taken with and I
like to shout it out because I don't want people
to not like remember that moment, which I thought was
so cool.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
No, it's really such a good one.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Okay, what was the most And I don't know if
you all know this because you didn't really watch Clear
all that much. Do you have like an we talk
about unhinged storylines like very off kilter or bad storylines
that were like actually really wild. Do you have any
in your memory that you felt like were really crazy?
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Much like the difficulty I have mentioned my favorite song,
because there were hundreds of times, there was hundreds of
songs we recorded. There were hundreds of unhinged story lines
that I can't I can't even remember what which one.
You're right, I almost don't want to say it because
I don't want to even remind people that it happened exactly. Okay, guys,
(41:12):
I'll say it dude, Blaine and Kurowski ended up dating. Yeah,
that happened. That's what I'm saying. If I hadn't said it,
you wouldn't have remembered it because your brain kind of black.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
We never remembered it. I will watch it.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
My brain has I just I forget about.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
All that stuff from my memory too.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Well, not like consciously, it's just clearly my brain hasn't
prioritized it as very important, which is another reason why
I'm embarrassed. I missed last week and so uh so
my uh my, my brain did my my frontal lobe
did not. There was I was in conflict something new
that I had to be somewhere, but my frontal lobe
was too tied to my calendar anyway, both my frontal
(41:55):
and other lobes aren't. Yeah, that was. I can agree
that that that storyline was was wacky. Uh And Max
is like a is a great pal. Yeah. I love
Max and I see Max off and we have sort
of like bi annual like like lunch like four hour
lunch dates where we just talk about everything. And so
I care about Max very much, and I uh yeah,
(42:19):
every now and then when we're talking would have like
Dawn on us, like did that happen like that? That
would be absurd, it would be and it was, but
it happened.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So you know, Okay, this one's easy, and this is
my last one. We ask everybody this question. So, what
is the feeling that Glee leaves you with?
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Fucking it's the gift that keeps on giving, I would say,
I would say, for lack of a better fucking answer,
it's the cliche that I don't want to deliver. But
fucking Glee, Man, it's one of the great titles of
the show. Like it. It is such a gleeful experience.
I truly, like, I know there's a lot of like,
you know, hairy things that that people may think they
(43:03):
know happened on the show or project happened to the show.
Maybe because I'm a happy idiot, maybe because I can
block out that stuff, Maybe because that's just in the
right place at the right time. Maybe because I am
late to the party. Chris and I never was privy
to a lot of whatever difficulty or contention that may
or may not have existed between people in situations. I
had an a fucking plus experience on that show. I
(43:24):
loved every minute. I loved every person, truly, And anytime
people ask me about Glee, I'll go, like, you want
the t I'll give you the tea. I'll tell you
everything that I know because all of it is fucking
glowingly positive and I have a positive I have a positive,
wonderful story about every single person individually that if anybody
ever said, think, well, I don't know I heard this,
I'd be like, tell you what you want to hear
(43:45):
a really really wonderful story about that person, then I
have them. I have them all. I have all the
receipts on great moments with everybody. And yeah, Glee was
a gleef. Was so gleeful for me. It was a joy.
It was a joyous experience, and uh it was. It
was a fucking blast. I've loved I loved working on
that show. I had so much fun with you guys.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I believe you. Yeah, I totally believe you.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Yeah again, happy idiot, Like that's just the way I
process that kind of experience.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Like though it's not everybody's experience, and it certainly wasn't
everybody's experience, but like for you, it was, and it
was very real and very honest and like every day
Darren came in with a smile on his face.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I'm not kidding.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
I wish yeah, and I was, and I was, and
I was careful with it too, because I'd be like,
you know, I know, I I really I'm very aware
of whatever energy I give off because I don't ever
want to alienate or or antagonize people that aren't particularly
like you know, like happy, go lucky, because I don't
want to be a dick, Like I don't want to
(44:45):
let my positivity like rain on the front of you're
not yeah, So like I try and like put a
lid on it, you know. And I was very careful
to not and like not to say every like listen,
we had hard days, but on the whole, I was
always like this is rat this is great, you know,
Like there were there were certain days that people were
like like where shit was tough and we're tired of
was like something that is going on that in the
(45:07):
on the inside, I'd be like pushing down the desire
to be like yeah, but guys in this rad yeah,
because it's just like get a punch from all like
every and you would have rightfully like it would have
been Darren, shut the fuck up, not now that would
have been the correct response, which is why I would
you never did.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I think I feel like we can talk to each
other like that. I feel like some.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
People yeah, And actually if you did, like I would
never be like, oh god, I'd be like, yeah, you know,
like I I think I understood I Again, I had
a very bird's eye view experience of the whole thing,
where I understood where where you guys were coming from
the experience that you had, and I tried to be
as as sensitive to that experience as possible. But I
(45:51):
can currently had my own experience that was like this
sort of semi charmed life as it were, you know,
this fucking charmed Candyland experience that set me up for
a really joyous experience that it could have been a
lot of other things, and it just so happened to
not be. And in the way that I kind of,
you know, not wanting to bring up certain storylines because
(46:13):
my brain blocked them out, Like if there's anything bad
that happened, I've kind of like blocked out because because
they're so eclipsed by things that were like so extraordinary
and wild that I just like I don't care to
like have give that any more shelf life in my brain,
Like I got too much shit to remember and cherish
(46:33):
and love to like leave room for any bullshit that
like would taint. How how shiny some of those beautiful
moments really were, you know, like it's a one in
a million experience, one in a zillion experience. Like who
gets that, you know at that age?
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Not everybody, yeah, ever in their whole life. Okay, you're
allowed to tell your story now.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Uh, I will say this kind of connects the pot
or stuff. I mean, there's so many weird sort of
side stories, so if you can't tell, but my general disposition,
I am a comic con convention going person.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Right.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I went to comic Con before we were asked to
go to comic Con, Like, I waited in line all night.
I like, was that's like a thing. It was like
it was a it was a fun like pilgrimage I
would make growing up in San Francisco to San Diego
to go to ComicCon and my I think my first
year so I graduated, like may, I moved to l A.
(47:30):
So July Comic Con I went down to Comic Con
with him buddy Joey Richter, who would actually end up
being on Glee. He was one of the dance one
of the guys in I like Big Butts Wild. He was.
He was the Ron Weasley to my Harry Potter and
the Potter stuff. He's a big figure in the Star
Kid uh sort of pantheon. And so we drove down
(47:52):
and I think we were we like slept outside all
night to be in Hall h to see the Lost
panel because it was the last than a Loss, and
we had a really great time, like sinking into parties
and like just it was always a fun thing for us.
And actually to make it even crazier is I remember
we drove from my Eastwick callback to that wow funny. Yeah,
(48:13):
that was wild. And I remember even oh because I
had my w my Warner Brothers pass for going on
that lot for that callback and uh, and I remember
going to the Eastwick panel and going waiting in line
for autographs from Rebecca Romain and all the stars of
Eastwick and I had them sign my my I've been
(48:34):
looking for that past everywhere. I don't know where it is,
but like Rebecca Romain like signed it, and then like
two weeks on set with them being like I meant
you guys at Comic Con. Oh so that's its own
little side story. But we were also there a very
Potter musical had just been kind of released, and so
we went down because we were also asked to talk
on a fan panel for like Harry Potter fandom. And
(48:58):
this is really exciting because like, yeah, so we got
to spend our Saturday doing all the fun stuff and
Sunday was the Sunday since to be like perhaps not
as like the high demand stuff, but we're in the
smaller hall. We're like on this panel talking about this
musical that we did and like the Harry Potter fandom
as we've been experiencing it, and the joke I had
(49:20):
at the time on this panel. I don't know if
there's video of it. Of this panel across the way
in Hall H where I just spent the night sleeping
outside of the previous night was the Glee panel. All
h right, I'm not on the show. I have an
audition for the show I have, but this but this
is the earlier one, like for college, like the I
(49:40):
had audition for it. But you know, so like Glee
is happening and I'm like making jokes during the Harry
Potter panel saying like, just you guys know, just to clarify,
this is not the Glee panel. We don't want a
confusion here. That's actually in hall h And I kept
saying that, like making fun of ourselves for not being
as popular as Glee. The next year, when they asked
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me to be on that panel again if I wanted
to come back, I had to say no because I
was on the Glee panel.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
And Holly, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Cool. So I have a lot of weird sort of
ins and out like parallel. Yeah, it's a special little thing.
So it's all kind of life's wacky stick around man,
crazy writers. Every season they've got some crazy writers, some
unhinged storylines, dare I say life? Yeah? Yes, A lot
(50:32):
of special, weird things like that were happening for me,
and that's kind of how I felt about Glee. There
were full these little magic, little holy shit moments that
that continue that can like with somewhere only we know.
They pop up in new ways and they keep happening
and getting to reflect upon it with you guys make
them more real in my life. I had to remember
ten years ago. I don't know if I want to
(50:53):
put this on the video but you know when your
phone does whatever. Yeah, it was for some reason it
was the pictures from uh what the fox say?
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Oh God, don't.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
A somewhat notorious moment. I know we were ending on
such a positive things were going, they were actually and
for some reason it was that. And it was me
with like sort of almost lucious malefoy hair because of
they gave me this do for the applause Gaga. Oh
it wasn't what the Fox say, it was for raar.
(51:29):
I just it was a jungle. So maybe I'm putting
those two together. Oh that's why it was because it
would have been the Cadie Gaga. So I was in
Gaga and the next stuff and you and Jenna you
were in like a Tarzani kind of yea.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I took a bunch of pictures of all of you.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Oh, yes, we had it. We we had some time
that day because I have a lot of pictures that day.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
Yeah, that one comes up on my phone a lot.
I'd probably just gotten a new phone. Then that's why
it's like the the like the earliest memory of my
phone has so again, things come up all the time,
and I'm boys are minded now of the things I
really missed.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Look at that one of them not being the podcast today.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm using this in a different context, but yes,
that was my including you guys.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
We love you and you guys.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
It's nice to do this. I love getting to do
this with you guys.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Truly, I really appreciate you doing this again.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
We're four, Well, we're in the three. We just finished
three and we're starting for.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
So this is this the first episode of the season
or the last episode.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Of three, last episode of the season.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Wow, Wow, what an honor your fine season three.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Thank you for spending this much time with us and
really really appreciate it. We have to have you back.
There's even more.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
There's always more, so much more, so much, always more.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
You're the best always. Thank you for being filtered talking
through all of.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
The I love you, Darren.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Congrats on the beautiful family you just you guys are
the best.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
Bye, guys.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
We hope you enjoyed that is Darren Chris.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
I feel like if you've listened to this entire interview,
you get a very good sense of who Darren is.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
And truly it is true like he'd show up happy,
like most days, he'd be like the one that you'd
be like, even if you were in a bad mood
that day, you'd be like, Okay, I'm gonna just like
put a smile on my face because you know what,
You're right. We should be lucky that we're here and
we should enjoy it because this is it's just like
being reminded and pulled out of it sometimes. And Darren
was like always that person if he wasn't snapping on Figgins's.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Couch very consistently, the cheerleader on set correct and that way.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Well, we hope you enjoyed the episode, and if you
haven't listened to part one, go.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Back listen and thank you so much to Darren. That
was incredible. Thank you for giving us how much of
your time and opening up to us, and that's what
you really miss. Thanks for listening and follow us on
Instagram at and that's what you really miss. Pod. Make
sure to write us a review and leave us five stars.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
See you next time.
And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to and that's what you really miss podcasts. This
is Darren Chris Part two. Boo boo boo, boo boo.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
He's the best storyteller. This episode could have been eight
hours long and I wouldn't have been mad.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We literally don't have to do anything. He just has
to talk and didn't like the best way possible.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, just prompted a little bit and then he just
goes so without further ado. Here's the rest of our
conversation with Darren Chris.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
What was your favorite Warbler song to do? And speaking
of music, I.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Mean, gosh, I'm sure people ask you guys all the
time what your favorite number was, and it's hard because
there were so many, And so there's the differentiation between
what was fun too a song I liked next to
how much fun I had like shooting it right and
(01:00):
like what the day was, you know?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, yeah, we have a hard time seperating like seasons
that way, because we were so attached to some seasons.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And then it's the memory versus watching it.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I remember the making far more than I remember the
seeing it because I haven't watched many episodes of Glee,
not by avoiding it just because I just I just
never got around to I never got around to it.
So or I would watch the premieres with you guys,
which I've always loved. I loved, like I didn't ever
(01:32):
want to watch it, not with people I made it with,
Like if I missed, because we listeners should know that
we would at lunchtime. I loved that. That's such a
fun memory. Lunchtime we would go into one of the
theaters and watch whatever we had just made and with
the people we made it with, and everyone's rooting.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
For each other, the crew. It's so cool to watch it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, and everyone's having to laugh and knowing what it
was like to make. And so if I missed those
for whatever reason, if I wasn't there that day, then
I would just like never see the episode because I
only wanted to experience it with the people that I
made it with. Yeah, that was really really, really special.
But having said that, my memories are more tied to
the days, so uh, and I definitely want I watched
(02:12):
all the musical numbers for sure, like you know, because
they'd be on YouTube or whatever. So I would have
an ability to see them much easier. Yeah than like
if I missed it nine o'clock at fuck eight o'clock
on Tuesday then But I don't know. I for Warbler stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I mean, there's definitely a fan favorite.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I think, what's a fan favorite somewhere only we know?
M hmm, yeah, somewhere only we know. I cannot believe
became a fan favorite because that didn't really emerge from
my to my attention until like the Pandemic and TikTok.
It was like when I was doing the show like
Teenage Dream, that was like the moment for me and
(02:51):
for everybody. And I love teenagers like I have no like,
I'm happy to do it. I love playing it at concerts.
It's my favorite. Like no complaints about about that song
at all. There were so many funny things about Somewhere
only we know, which is a the resurgence of it
that happened. I think there was like a on TikTok
it was like a slowed down version of it or something,
and that got picked up and that was and then
(03:13):
that shot up as at least on streaming O. That's
the the marker of like well it is frankly, is
it is the marker of if.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
On Spotify?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I think, shut up, really, I think it might be. Yeah, oh,
I thought it was the most streamed as one of
my of mine. But if it is, that's because of TikTok,
because there's a new audience. So, I guys, Keen was
like one of my favorite bands in high school. I'm like,
we've talked about our love for ang anglophilic shit, Kevin,
you and I love we love Keen, we love we
(03:44):
love McFly, We have like we obsessed with British pop charts.
We talked a lot about this, Kevin and I for
a British fans, you'll appreciate like we like two thousands
British pop rock charts. Is like we love gold Standard.
So I'm a senior in high school, which is like
one of the most potent years of music conception of
your life. I'm starting to drive, you know, the CDs
(04:07):
that are in your car when you're starting to have
agency of your destiny, like driving a car like that,
those are the fucking you know yea.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I remember the first CD when I got my license,
like it yeah, imprinted.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
But that but that moment I was going to say,
is like how driver's license is written. You know, it's
those nineteen eighteen years old experiences and moments in your
car feel like you're the king of the world and
everything speaks to you in this really amazing way. It's
it's a it's a really magical time. So Keen. I
remember going on a trip, my first trip to London
with my parents. I was like seventeen or eighteen, and
(04:40):
I saw a music video and I always watched like
foreign countries MTV because you know, it's it's not what
would be playing here, and it's not that we like
we were not in the global cultural economy that we
are now where I can, like I have easy as
much access to like the top one hundred.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And even buy songs off of iTunes in another country right.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Off of like HM v UK oh nice, Yeah dude,
I remember that shit, yeah, getting it on the well
or or I would I would buy records when I
was there, Like I would go to the record stores
locally and see what was going on. So I saw
a video for a song by Keene, which was the
single they were pushing at the time, was a song
called Everybody's Changing. That was I think the single off
(05:23):
that album was not somewhere only we know. And I
remember buying this record as ston as I could. Maybe
I bought it in London or I bought it when
I came back, But anyway, my senior year was sort
of scored by their album Hopes and Fears, And uh,
I can I remember so vividly all the drives, like
with friends, like blasting the ship. You know, that feeling
that's just goosebumps central, you know. So imagine my surprise
(05:46):
when years later, I'm I'm reading a script it since
Summer only, you know, by Keen, and I'm like, Okay,
this isn't exactly like a popular song, Like this is
a song that I like, I don't ever was it
that popular? And maybe in the think did you know
the song? In my mind, I didn't know it. Maybe
in my mind I thought it was just this song
(06:06):
that but certainly not as popular as the other ones
that were knowing it was like this, this wouldn't have
made the cut of songs that would be obviously done
by by me. Uh, And so I was like, cool,
I don't know who's calling these shots. But I happened
to have a very personal connection with this song, and
I remember doing this recond I record and I recorded
it with the same guy in the same way. Did
(06:28):
I go to near for this one. I think by
this point we started doing it in La. It's getting expensive,
I know, to make it right. So I was doing
it in La and I remember just being really weirded
out by it, because like, I love this record and
(06:48):
I'm like hearing my voice on it. I kept going
shut up, like like I want to hear I forget
his name, but I want I want to the real
singer like yet, So I didn't dislike it. I just
kind of had this oh God, I don't know, like
this is such a great record and I don't want
to like tarnish this. Yeah, and uh, and that's how
(07:10):
I felt. I was like, this is not the best
representation of this song that I love so much. And
then on the day we were at that school Burstein
YEP with Bernstein High and Uh. I have really sensitive eyes.
I don't know if it's a light eye thing, but
like Courty was so bright. It was really bright, and
(07:33):
it was a day where they had like those giant mirrors.
It was like a comedy routine where I was already
like the fuck what's going on? And then they go
like it was melting. My eyes are getting fucking melted
out of my sockets, and I remember I have to
like sing to Chris and every angle they went, this
was the day that I learned this one trick that
I'm sure optometerist would tell me it's a terrible idea,
(07:53):
but apparently it's a trick where if you, if it's
too bright for your eyes, close your eyes and look
right at the sun. I remember, yeah, and so just
to get your eyes as used to a bright So
I'm sure this is a horrible idea, but I would
do it and then open I'm like, you have three
seconds because if you're filming this and using this this
(08:14):
becomes the internet, it would be like and action. So yeah,
like it was so hard, So I have to watch
it again because I forget. I just remember the entire
time shooting it, going like god damn it, it's so
bright out. The song is not as good as the
original record, and I have to like act and all
I can do is this. I'm like tearing up, and
(08:35):
I remember asking can I wear sunglasses? Like at the time,
like there was a pink sunglasses thing that was like
my trade berk before I got in the show, and
so they wanted to put in there. It's the whole thing.
But I just remember doing that. I just it was
so hard. I was squinty McGee doing this. Maybe they
thought I was like really emoting. I was just barely
trying to keep my fucking eyes.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I don't think I noticed it, But that's really funny.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's also such a good I forgot how bright that
would be, like filming there at a certain time of day,
if it was sunny reflecting.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, it's like, really that was hard, but that's what
I remember the most, and so now people have this.
But the lesson that I take away from this is
a reinforcement something I wheartily believe in, which is once
you make something in like if you make a piece
of art and it's released to the world, it does
not belong to you anymore, and it never did in
(09:29):
the first place. Like whatever experience people have with something
that you made, it belongs to them and their experience
and how they experienced it. Like I'm never gonna sit
here and like pooh pooh. People's like positive response to that,
like what a beautiful thing, Like they're supremely unaware of
my like kind of funny relationship with it. I'm not
saying I dislike it. I just had like a flimsy
kind of you know, connection to it, you know, as
(09:51):
shooting it and recording it. But people really love it,
and like that's all that matters. Like they don't they
don't give Yeah, well I love that people love it,
So that's, you know, something that I owe them to,
you know, be like, well, if you love it, then
like let's love it together, you know, like that's all
that matters. There was a girl that I did, Kadiza,
I'll shout out Kadijah, who was one of our urchins
in Little Shop who she she joined the show when
(10:14):
she was eighteen and she turned twenty one during our run.
I mean, she's grown up doing this show and she is,
you know, a young gleek. She loves glee and hearing.
She she really loves that song, and I love this girl.
So I'm just like fuck yeah, dude, Like that's so special,
Like what an amazing thing. It is so cool, like
getting the.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Twenty one year old knows su Quinez or like a
song like yes exactly, because ultimately it's promoting the band
that you love exactly, they get the check, you get
to hear their music great.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Exactly, And and it's just like that show was such
a gateway for so many other people, Like I'm not
gonna lie like the first like I didn't hear about
I don't know led Zeppelin because of like growing up
in the seventies. It's because they were on a soundtrack
for a movie that I loved growing up in the nineties.
So it's like there's there's gotta be some gateway, Like
it's not all gonna be because you were there in
that moment. Like there's like she really got into musical
(11:02):
theater and it is now doing a musical theater show
with me because of Glee, And I'm like, that's fucking amazing. Also,
you're saying a twenty one year old that knows Keen.
I'm like a twenty one year old that knows Glee.
There's still I mean, you guys must be experienced this
all the time. Like it's amazing that there's this new
there's there's still seems to be this interest that I
thought would be outdated, but it still seems to.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I know a lot of New York, like New York
when I go, because people are just out more. You're
in the streets and things. Yeah, yeah, LA don't really
feel it. But if I go to New York, I'm like, damn,
why are you guys still watching this?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, it's well. Also, you know, there are some things
there you go like that's definitely specific to that time.
So I don't know if I would necessarily do that now,
but but yeah, people seem to not give a shit.
They stick to the the thing that is the most fun,
which is like the the vibrancy and the youthfulness and
the and the fun and and and for lack of
(11:56):
a better fucking word, the glee of it all. Yeah,
literally and figures in the music. So yeah, it's going
twenty one. Yeah, crazy, she loves that shit, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, it is. It is nice that I feel like
that generation that has had that has found it the
past couple of years inherently understands that it was of
a different era, a different time. Yeah, because obviously there
are things that have not aged well, but like, you
can't go back and redo it, but it is, but it.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Is well because it's that's not the main that's not
what the show's now just in the way that there
are things in Friends that I go it doesn't really
work now, but it's such a nominal part of what
makes Friends great and sort of like everlasting, that it's
not gonna, like, you know, delete it from its like potency.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I want to hear about when you first started
working with Chris, because obviously, I mean Chris and Darren,
Blaine and Kurt became a worldwide cultural sensation, and as
(13:06):
a closet gay kid growing up, I would I was
desperate for any you're gay. Sometimes what shocking is is
is Darren's not. And I walked up on Darren once.
I felt like I caught him watching porn.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Go on, Where's where's this going?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He's sitting in the auditorium and I go up and
I'm looking at it, see over his shoulder, like what
he's watching. And I sit next to him and he
looks at me like dad just walked in and caught me.
He was watching a Judy Garland video on YouTube, the
Judy Garden Christ Special, and all he says is, I
know I'm like gay, but without allay all the gay stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Thank you. I feel seen. I feel like I'm aspirationally gay.
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It was the perfect summation. I was like, thank you, Yeah,
it was great.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, I'm I'm a season ticket holder, like lifetime subscriber
of gay culture, like like the huge majority of the
things that I admire aspire to be try and like copy,
Like it's it's all from queer culture. So it's like
I make no I'm no pretense about my absolute love
(14:23):
of what we can affectually call gay shit. Gay shit
is my shit ndred percent.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So how did you feel coming into the show to
that storyline?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Like how well, you know we were talking about earlier
about me having this background in you know, in like
in create creating stuff and music, and in many regards,
it's this sort of slum dog millionaire moment where like
the questions asked for were the answers that I'd kind
of come in knowing just by sheer coincidence and serendipity.
I talked about this to great length when we were
(14:54):
kind of going around the press circuit of like my
time on Glee when I really came in. But d
I grew up in San Francisco in the nineties, like
I have not that that makes me some fucking like
hyper authority on the gay experience. I wasn't about to,
like straight splain gayness in any way, shape or form.
And I think anytime I talk about this, people who
(15:16):
are maybe perhaps a less less attuned to the grace
of allowing people to have their experience in relativity to
others might kind of misconstrue this. This what I'm trying
to say. But I came in with luckily, I think
the tools to kind of really appreciate what I was
(15:36):
doing in some way. And again that doesn't make me
some fucking saint or anything. I just so happened to
have had a very strong and comfortable relationship with queerness itself.
It wasn't a thing that was like, oh, like, it's
just like so much of my like I live a
very culturally queer life, like the people around me and
(15:59):
like the thing that I like, it's just it's just
such a part of the way that I experience life
that getting to be the guy that got to represent
that I felt was a huge responsibility. But also I
was like, man, I am glad that it's me because
I don't mind doing like talking about this or like
(16:20):
I don't get skittish about like oh I gotta talk.
It's like, no, I love this is this is a
community of men and women that I love dearly and
feel so connected to, like on so many levels that
I go few Like it'd be just like if you know,
if I'm playing like a fucking like pro baseball player,
i'd be like anything of like like I know basic
(16:42):
sort of like surface level shit about baseball, but like like, yeah,
I saw moneyball, like I like, I like the giants,
like I know, I know the players that I grew
up loving, but I don't I can't, like I can't
talk literally inside baseball. But like there like there is
the the the the gay struggle, the gay narrative that
(17:02):
I grew up around. I had enough understanding of and
comfort with that it wasn't foreign. And again I'm not
saying I was an expert or that like I was
the only person for the job. By no fucking means,
I just go well, and compared to a lot of
other people, like I perhaps was well suited to be
(17:23):
put in this position. Obviously there's still a lot to learn,
is still a lot to kind of navigate, but like,
it didn't scare me. It was wildly exciting, Like it
was a very fun thing to be a part of. Now,
speaking of gay shit, this is one of my favorite
stories with meeting Chris Colfer. So, Chris and we used
to joke on paper, and I think Chris would corroborate
this that on paper, like I'm like culturally way gayer
(17:44):
than Chris. Wonderful thing that Chris said. I think I
was talking about like old movies or some like you know,
broad stereotype about like you know, like gay men, about
like knowing like old Hollywood musicals or stuff like this,
that is the stereotypes. And I was like going off
on like some movie or some musical and I was like,
you don't know, blah blah blah. And then Chris Fantasy
said to me, He's like, can I just be gay
(18:06):
without the whole like gay thing? And he is right
like that, you know, there's a spectrum of all experiences.
Like it's unfair that there are certain things that you're
you're expected to be familiar with, Like that's just ridiculous,
you know, So I happen to know a certain amount
of things just because it interested me. But why I
bring that up? So oh so gay shit. So when
(18:26):
I meet Chris and you know, I've watched him on TV,
like I know how much people love him, Like I'm
supremely aware of like this relationship. Anytime spent with him
will be near impossible outside of Glee once the episode
is on. So, guys, and I give fo's a very
sweet story, which is why I will forever have such
(18:47):
affection for Chris Colfer. I met him the first day.
It was a scene where we were at Burns back
to Bernstein Bernstein, Bernstein, Tomato Tomato, and we go Karowski.
Max Adler, who's the first person I ever met from Glee,
by the way, who was Who's why He's always such
a sweetheart in my book? He was so nice to me.
The first is he like pins him up against the
(19:08):
fucking like wall. And you know this are the three
guys that I meet is Max Adler and Chris Colfer.
And uh, for anybody listening, going like, where's he going
with this with this gay shit thing? Oh Buffalo seat belts.
So I U I had tickets to go see Sonton
(19:29):
Foster do her concert, her cabaret concert. Bro that I
am to go see her at your c LA And
this is.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
What I'm saying, ship.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, Yeah, I love I love that I can say
this now. I think that like the like the culture
around has more of like a tongue in cheap relationship
with getting to talk what we're talking about. If I
said this years ago, people would be so We've get
so many things in a twist about what I'm saying.
It's like, dude, like, come on, we're all having fun here,
like we we all love each other, we all like
respect each other's like experience. Yeah, thank you very much.
(20:10):
So I so I have tickets to go see some
fucking Fosters you do across town. I think like the
next day or that night if it's that If it's
that night, then I really like, oh, Chris even more credit.
I've just met this person, okay, and he's like a
big deal, right, He's like a very recognizable like cultural
(20:33):
figure at this point. Yeah, And I say like, hey, man,
like and this is just how I operate, Like, Hey,
if we're gonna be doing this thing together, it'd be
nice to get dinner sometime and like maybe talk about
what we're gonna do and get to know each other
a little better. If we're gonna spend time with each other,
And I remember saying that. I was like, dude, you know,
it'd be nice to kind of talk about this stuff.
And I remember thinking, like, as soon as the episode
comes out, we can never be seen together in public
(20:54):
because I just be weird or or would make this
person feel uncomfortable. So I said, hey, man, I have
an extra ticket to see Sutton Foster tonight, Like, do
you want to go like my treat, Like, let's get
some dinner to get to know each other a little
bit because we have all these scenes coming up, and
be nice to you know, just to start this relationship
(21:16):
in a more personal way than what we're doing on set.
And bless his fucking heart, he said yes, Chris, Chris Colfer,
who doesn't leave his house, like I said yes to me,
and certainly at this time, and it was really sweet.
We went to uh we went to uc I forget
the concert space in the UCLA. I don't know if
they still do it, but whatever concert serious they had.
(21:37):
We went to go see her, and I remember being
around people like everyone's bum rushing him taking pictures and
I feel kind of bad, and he was. He was
already pretty good at like, you know, like balancing that
act of being gracious, but you know, not trying to
start a thing. And we went to go see Sutton
Foster and it was awesome because Sutton Foster rules. And
then we and then we got we got sushi afterwards,
(21:58):
and I was just asking about the I forget my questions,
but I was asking about the part. I was asking
about the process and just trying to do as much
as I could. And I think that is the last
and only time we ever went out just the two
of us in like a public space. And I'm so
glad we'll always have Sutton Foster, me and my story.
I love telling that story. Yeah, but also that's s
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gay as fuck. I had in the best way possible.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I'm actually great.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
So yeah, that's how it all started. Was that was
my first like day with another because I had done stuff.
I don't know if I've even shot with the Warblers
at this point, but either way, I had never met
anybody from your guys as set. We were two different
planets a long time. I was on my own show,
different building.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
By the time we ever interacting with you guys, you
guys were your own like click family.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah. Yeah, and I mean I even remember like tour
was really the first time I ever got to spend
time with you guys. Like personally, I'll never forget like
walking around Toronto by myself and you know me, Jenna,
I'm always the last one of the party, but I'll
be there, always last one in so many ways, literally
and figuratively, I'm the last one to know everything because
I never know what's going on. But I'll get there eventually.
(23:16):
If you guys are throwing a party, I'll be there.
I'll just be there like two in the morning, ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Literally.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I will say this in your defense. I was just
having this conversation with somebody yesterday about people who are really,
really present, and like John Graff is up there, Matt
Boehmer is up there at your brother, and of course, yeah,
you're up there, because I think when you are really
present and whenever you're doing you might be the last
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one to get somewhere or find out something because you
were just like you're face to face whatever's in front
of you. You are really there and engaged in it.
And I think it's.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
That well, I I, well, this is why I was
bugging out about not being here. Like if I'm I'm
really I always say I'm LA's worst nightmare with making
plans because if I say I'm gonna be there, I'll
fucking be there like im. And if I'm not, I'm
gonna explain why and what happened. If you're the kind
of person that meets me to party, you let's drink
some time, I go okay, and I fucking remember it,
and I make time and plans because you said let's
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get drinks, so I go okay. Like there's no casualness
if you have a thing, like I'll fucking be there, Like,
don't say come through. I don't want me to come through,
because I'll come through. But having said that, this is
the setup to being in Toronto and just kind of
like walking around on my own. You can just do
my thing and I'm just getting drinks with the Warblers.
We had a really fun day whatever it was. I
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was just walking around and I remember walking into a
bar and uh Nya and Diana were just like having
drinks in the back. And at this point I don't
really know them. There's just these two like beautiful, like
all angelic ladies that I've been somewhat in proximity of,
and I remember it was like, oh, hey, what's going on?
They're like, yeah, come sit down. We like kind of
tied one on and having a good time. And I
just remember there was like at the end of that,
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it was like, still gonna meet you guys. You guys
are a lot of fun. This is great. I had
never spent time with them, you know, I ran into
them in a bar because I again, we were in
separate spaces. But that was like the first time I
ever got to hang out and talk with them a
little bit. So yeah, in many ways, that was how
did they come up? Kevin was talking about just.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
The tour, talking about tour, like the tour, Yeah, finally
being able to hang out with you exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Those tour moments were so special, like when we know
we would pair off for like group up in different
groupings and like go around a city and do things.
I loved those moments.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Did you guys know that what we were doing was extraordinary?
Because I fucking did, Like I I definitely knew. Not
saying we were extraordinary, I'm saying the circumstance to the
arena tour. I was supremely aware in the moment. I
was like, this is not how people do things in
any situation in less.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yours, then I think you have a different person.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I knew sad, yeah, because you would tour it around
a little bit. Yeah, I knew that. Like yeah, I
was like we were the only ones maybe yeah, because well,
to be fair, like nobody really there signed up that
they were going to be like you know, pseudo pop stars.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No, it's exactly what you were saying, because I remember
when we got to London and the girls were having
a tough go of it the first day, and I
remember walking to the stage and you know, people were
like I just want to go home and see my family,
and I was like, we have seven sold out shows
at the O two two. That is never happening again
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for any of us. That is bonkers. People work their
entire lives to hope the statistically not and it's just
like absolutely insane. But in that moment, I also had
the realization that I'm with a lot of people who
have been on Broadway, and if someone said to me,
you have to go do X amount of shows on
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Broadway and that's all you're doing, I'd be like, fuck,
I don't want to do that because that is not
my dream. That is like at that age I had
zero relationship to musical theater, That's right, and so me
getting to go two or whatever arena that we were
at was my dream realized. And so I understood that, Okay,
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these people don't have the perspective because this is this
was never their dream to do this.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, you're right, like nobody and why would we have.
I mean even I like, I'm not going to sit
here and pretend that I had like massive touring experience.
I just had. I don't know, it just kind of
objectively nowhere went what was happening and like getting you know,
our own plane in our own bus. I was like
Jesus Christ, like.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
That was insane. I think there were just different price
alreadies people had at that time.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
People A lot of the girls like wanted to see
their family, they wanted to rest, they wanted to go home.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Which understand for you guys for sure, yes you had
you had a tough I have to give you guys credit.
And I always talk about this when people ask the
they talk ask about like the sort of boot camp
that was Glee. Again, my time on that show, I
I completely acknowledge was so charmed. Like again, I had
I had the the Golden ticket of like coming in
(28:27):
you know, after you guys had built it, like the
machine was built again, turnkey apartment, all the amenities, furnished everything,
Like everything was kind of handed to me in a
way that I count my lucky stars every day. I
cannot believe the extraordinary circumstances which was on which I
got to just ride the magic carpet on top of this.
By the time I had joined it, I've done the
I've done the reverse engineering and kind of like added
(28:50):
it up. You guys shot your pilot. You did the
Australia thing, right. You did this promo in Australia like
a trail Wow. No, then you then you shot shot
more a back nine right, and then you correct me wrong.
And then you did like a mini tour like a
(29:11):
radio city thing it was for then you and then
you went and then you went right back into shooting
season two. And then right after season two you went
on this tour. You had like a good two to
three years maybe two years of just like fucking every NonStop.
I come in at like the eleventh hour, like, hey, guys,
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like he has this guy's way from energy. Yeah we
were tired. Yeah, but I'm not shooting every day. I'm
shooting like maybe a day or two. And when I do,
it's just my shit as opposed to like you guys
are in the cruise. So it's like those long days
where it's someone else's thing and it's exhausting, right because
you're like, I'll show up if I'm doing my thing.
(29:53):
But you know, the giving everybody representation on the pie
was hard, right, So for me, like it was all
if I was there, then I was doing something. Even
on the tour, guys, if you remember, you did eighty
five percent of the show, I park my fucking blazered
ass on stage for like ten minutes, do three songs
and Bob's your uncle, Yeah, and I was out.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
We'd be heading to stage and I'd see Darren backstage
like not dressed. It was like, oh yeah, he's got
another hour.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, like like on a skateboard, just cruising around a
fucking arena, gotting travel, traveling around the world, like.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Walking in with food the crowd. I was in there,
the show was starting in minutes, and he just like
walked in like, hey, guys, have a good shit.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah, I'm telling you, like I know how Like I
would have punched me in the fucking day. I was
fuck this guy, Like I totally understood what was going on,
and like, I'm playing video games with the fucking Wards
in the back because you guys are working your asses
off upstairs and all the stuff. And I came on
for the last few numbers with you guys, but yeah,
the War Wars came up for like just a couple
of songs and like, and that was it. So it
(30:54):
was again so charmed for me. But when I was
realizing what was happening, I was like, these guys are
so like like they've been run ragged and uh. And
this did cause cause very understandable contention. I know, there
was a lot of stuff with I think we got
watches out of it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh god, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Watching.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
There was a bit of a wow, you guys been
working really hard, so here's your rolexes. I mean, I'm
a like, listen, my grandkids are gonna get that fucking watch.
Like I I got it.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I I mean I ensured mine and then it got stolen.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
So all the time quarters with me. Just a couple
of days ago, I came to see little Shop and
we went out afterwards about the same way.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I was like, you had your brother Matt Bomer come
visit you.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
How was that I did? He didn't tell me. I
I like it. I like knowing when people come to shows,
you'll you know this once you guys do Little Shop
or whatever Broadway show or whatever theater show you do
one day. Some people are very like I don't like knowing.
I'd get too nervous. I love knowing he's in the
audience because it makes me work harder where I'm like,
oh this was yeah, or if like I'm tired. It's
(32:08):
like a matinee and a Saturday Jenna, and like if
you and I were sitting there going like do you
know anybody? And you say no, and I say I
don't know anybody out there, we go, okay, let's just
like just want phone it in. But let's just like
kind of we can put a lid on it. We
won't go plus yeah exactly, c plus passing grade performance
just to savor energy for the Saturday night performance. But
if you told me fucking Sam Rockwell's in the house,
(32:31):
I go, oh shit, yeah, let's yeah, let's go coffee bang,
Like let's do it for Sam, you know him, because
i'd be like, I know, but I get excited about that,
and not to disrespect any of the people who are
there to see you and your audience. You know, you
do every day and you're tired. You need some juice.
So uh yeah. I remember he didn't tell me, and
(32:54):
I was like, man, how come we didn't tell me
you were here? But I saw him afterwards and he
looked like a fucking god.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
He always looks like a guy.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
God.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He is so gorgeous, painfully handsome.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It's like piercing eyes.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I know. Yeah. I say this about Evan rachel Wood too,
especially the hair, but they look like American war propaganda.
Like if I saw a poster of Matt Bomer pointing
at me with that jawline in those eyes and a
nice suit being like, join us, I'll be like, okay,
I'll jump on a fucking mind for you. You seem
(33:30):
like a sensible, handsome gentleman. Yeah. It's it's painful, and
it's worse in person.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Because that it's not as good as he.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Is a gorgeous man. Holy ship. When I heard that
he was playing my brother, I was like, that's I'm
very flattered, but like.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Are my favorite episodes of this season, and it is.
It is the funniest performance. He gives the funny his
fucking performance. It was totally underrated in my book until
I rewatched it and was like, what how did I
miss it?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I got it?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I got to watch that so good. I love that episode.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
My relationship with Matt would evolve because he ended up
directing me on uh and was he directed on the episode?
He was so great, it was so fun. Oh my god,
what a dear lovely man. He should be his his
his likeness should be like protected by the US government,
likes like he's one of our finest specimens as human. Yeah,
(34:35):
he's actually nicer than he is hot, because actually it's not.
I don't think he can be anything more than he
is hot. So he's Yes, he's probably just slightly nicer,
less nicer than he is hot, because anymore than.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, so he came to which is annoying.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
You know what this is gonna find Matt Bohmer. So
I'm just gonna and say, you know what, fuck you,
Matt Bohmer, fuck you and your beautiful family whole thing.
Just take that much goodness, much good no more of you, please, copy,
copy paste paste paste paste paste.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Please, No, we love Matt Bomer. Okay, I have a
rabid fire for you, Darren.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
You know this isn't gonna go well. You know you're
gonna ask me a quick thing. I'm gonna give you
twenty minute answer.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
So I have a.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Question for you and then you can tell your story.
So I have a line up there.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Okay, Okay, okay, a plan.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, So what is your favorite song from Glee?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
And it could be performance, it could be song, it
could be experienced.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
You pick you, just pick one. You don't have to,
it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I'll say Jacob Artists was one of the most talented
parts of that show, and had he joined the first season,
he would be justin Timberlake. I think he would be
at a place where he'd be if that's what he
wanted to do, because that that being that level requires
the drive to want to do that. So I'm not
(35:53):
saying if he wanted it, I think that could have
been in his in his future. So he did many
songs that I just remember going like this kid is amazing.
Remember what he's rhythm nation?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yes, without like without You.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
I was gonna say, was one of my favorites. He
was one of my favorite things to watch.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
But what.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
His He just sounded so beautiful. He looks great, he
dances great, he sings great. Like I just was so obsessed.
He was like, it's it's all about timing. Like I
think at that point, you know, the sort of the
white hot flame of Glee had started to wane a
little bit in the in the in the public sort
(36:40):
of like appetite and uh by no fault of his own.
I just like I I'm always shocked when people say
we're just Fay Party Glee and I say Jacob Artists
and like, and they don't know who I'm talking about,
Like you mean the kid that fucking came in and
like rocked the fucking ship out of it. Like, yeah,
I don't remember his I don't remember his character name Jake.
(37:01):
Was it Jake? Maybe that's what I don't remember because
it's just his name, Jake. God. I also love reminding
people that Phineas was on our show. That's always a fun.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I actually don't think I ever met him.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Really, he was there on I Lived.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
I had an a conversation. You know what's crazy is
Phineas performs even though you didn't record it. He's like
lip syncing. I have Phineas on camera performing a song
that I wrote and produced because I wrote a song.
I wrote a song called Rise that was on an
episode where the kids sang it. Yeah, and it's just
weird now that I go, like what I wouldn't do
(37:39):
for Phineas cut? But boy has a Darren Chris cut.
He doesn't really because he's just lip syncing and he
didn't actually do anything on But yeah, Phineas. Oh, just
as far as the kids that came in the latter
hours of Glee, even though Jake came much earlier than Phineas.
I remember talking to Phineas at I think I told
him the story recently because he's like about town, Like
holy shit, Actually it's not sure he's not about town,
(38:01):
but boy, I ran into him and me getting excited
wanting to talk to him and like wondering if I'd
get the opportunity because he's, you know, basically like the
he is the A team at the moment. M hmm.
So oh, I was gonna say, uh, I got to
I was at this event with him and I was
reminding him, oh, because this is what happened is the story?
Remember when he was because he was seventeen.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Isn't that crazy? Because my sister told me a story
a couple of weeks ago about how because she was
there that day and talked with him for a long time,
she's like, yeah, he said like, oh yeah, my sister
and I just like starting to make some music.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yes, So this is what I remember, and maybe my
memory is augmenting it because obviously we now know what
kind of became of them. But we talked a lot
about music, and even then I remember being very taken
with him, and you know, you meet people with her
energy where they're so eloquent about a thing that I'm like,
you're probably I'm just gonna go ahead and bet the
fucking farm on you're probably very good.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
He talked like he was exactly.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
He was an old soul exactly. He was like we
were talking about production and music writing and guitar playing,
and I was like, oh, like, this is a teenager,
and like in my mind the dog years between like
seventeen and what, I'm twenty six or something like almost
ten years older than this guy. And I was like,
you're so young, and he's talking about producing music and
writing music. And I was really impressed, and I remember
he invited me. He's like, he's like, I have a
thing with my sister, and I don't know what their
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age gap is. What is it, like five years?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I don't know something like that.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
I think, let's say it's five years, so Billie's twelve.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Okay, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Maybe getting the math wrong. I just but just for
the purpose of the story, like if it's a five years,
she's very, very very young. So I'm sitting we're talking
about this, and he's like, yeah, Like I was like,
and I asked this anytime my musicians. I was, oh,
he just gigging or anything. And then he's yeah, actually
we're paying like a like a little fair. Me and
my sister. We're doing this thing. It's like in our neighborhood.
We're playing. It was maybe like a street fair or
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something and or some small thing. Maybe I've gotten it wrong. Athhenius.
Ever hears this, it'll be like, dude, it was the
fucking Troubadour, Like who knows, but whatever it was, it
was some small thing with his sister. But I just
remember him saying I come through and maybe like that
sounds great man, I don't have to be able to
make it. But you know, anyway, like I said, you
asked one question and give you different answer. So Jacob
artists without you. That's one that's like any of the
(40:08):
stuff that he did. I think. Yeah, So it was
so beautiful and I was very taken with and I
like to shout it out because I don't want people
to not like remember that moment, which I thought was
so cool.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
No, it's really such a good one.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Okay, what was the most And I don't know if
you all know this because you didn't really watch Clear
all that much. Do you have like an we talk
about unhinged storylines like very off kilter or bad storylines
that were like actually really wild. Do you have any
in your memory that you felt like were really crazy?
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Much like the difficulty I have mentioned my favorite song,
because there were hundreds of times, there was hundreds of
songs we recorded. There were hundreds of unhinged story lines
that I can't I can't even remember what which one.
You're right, I almost don't want to say it because
I don't want to even remind people that it happened exactly. Okay, guys,
(41:12):
I'll say it dude, Blaine and Kurowski ended up dating. Yeah,
that happened. That's what I'm saying. If I hadn't said it,
you wouldn't have remembered it because your brain kind of black.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
We never remembered it. I will watch it.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
My brain has I just I forget about.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
All that stuff from my memory too.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Well, not like consciously, it's just clearly my brain hasn't
prioritized it as very important, which is another reason why
I'm embarrassed. I missed last week and so uh so
my uh my, my brain did my my frontal lobe
did not. There was I was in conflict something new
that I had to be somewhere, but my frontal lobe
was too tied to my calendar anyway, both my frontal
(41:55):
and other lobes aren't. Yeah, that was. I can agree
that that that storyline was was wacky. Uh And Max
is like a is a great pal. Yeah. I love
Max and I see Max off and we have sort
of like bi annual like like lunch like four hour
lunch dates where we just talk about everything. And so
I care about Max very much, and I uh yeah,
(42:19):
every now and then when we're talking would have like
Dawn on us, like did that happen like that? That
would be absurd, it would be and it was, but
it happened.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
So you know, Okay, this one's easy, and this is
my last one. We ask everybody this question. So, what
is the feeling that Glee leaves you with?
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Fucking it's the gift that keeps on giving, I would say,
I would say, for lack of a better fucking answer,
it's the cliche that I don't want to deliver. But
fucking Glee, Man, it's one of the great titles of
the show. Like it. It is such a gleeful experience.
I truly, like, I know there's a lot of like,
you know, hairy things that that people may think they
(43:03):
know happened on the show or project happened to the show.
Maybe because I'm a happy idiot, maybe because I can
block out that stuff, Maybe because that's just in the
right place at the right time. Maybe because I am
late to the party. Chris and I never was privy
to a lot of whatever difficulty or contention that may
or may not have existed between people in situations. I
had an a fucking plus experience on that show. I
(43:24):
loved every minute. I loved every person, truly, And anytime
people ask me about Glee, I'll go, like, you want
the t I'll give you the tea. I'll tell you
everything that I know because all of it is fucking
glowingly positive and I have a positive I have a positive,
wonderful story about every single person individually that if anybody
ever said, think, well, I don't know I heard this,
I'd be like, tell you what you want to hear
(43:45):
a really really wonderful story about that person, then I
have them. I have them all. I have all the
receipts on great moments with everybody. And yeah, Glee was
a gleef. Was so gleeful for me. It was a joy.
It was a joyous experience, and uh it was. It
was a fucking blast. I've loved I loved working on
that show. I had so much fun with you guys.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I believe you. Yeah, I totally believe you.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Yeah again, happy idiot, Like that's just the way I
process that kind of experience.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Like though it's not everybody's experience, and it certainly wasn't
everybody's experience, but like for you, it was, and it
was very real and very honest and like every day
Darren came in with a smile on his face.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I'm not kidding.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
I wish yeah, and I was, and I was, and
I was careful with it too, because I'd be like,
you know, I know, I I really I'm very aware
of whatever energy I give off because I don't ever
want to alienate or or antagonize people that aren't particularly
like you know, like happy, go lucky, because I don't
want to be a dick, Like I don't want to
(44:45):
let my positivity like rain on the front of you're
not yeah, So like I try and like put a
lid on it, you know. And I was very careful
to not and like not to say every like listen,
we had hard days, but on the whole, I was
always like this is rat this is great, you know,
Like there were there were certain days that people were
like like where shit was tough and we're tired of
was like something that is going on that in the
(45:07):
on the inside, I'd be like pushing down the desire
to be like yeah, but guys in this rad yeah,
because it's just like get a punch from all like
every and you would have rightfully like it would have
been Darren, shut the fuck up, not now that would
have been the correct response, which is why I would
you never did.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I think I feel like we can talk to each
other like that. I feel like some.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
People yeah, And actually if you did, like I would
never be like, oh god, I'd be like, yeah, you know,
like I I think I understood I Again, I had
a very bird's eye view experience of the whole thing,
where I understood where where you guys were coming from
the experience that you had, and I tried to be
as as sensitive to that experience as possible. But I
(45:51):
can currently had my own experience that was like this
sort of semi charmed life as it were, you know,
this fucking charmed Candyland experience that set me up for
a really joyous experience that it could have been a
lot of other things, and it just so happened to
not be. And in the way that I kind of,
you know, not wanting to bring up certain storylines because
(46:13):
my brain blocked them out, Like if there's anything bad
that happened, I've kind of like blocked out because because
they're so eclipsed by things that were like so extraordinary
and wild that I just like I don't care to
like have give that any more shelf life in my brain,
Like I got too much shit to remember and cherish
(46:33):
and love to like leave room for any bullshit that
like would taint. How how shiny some of those beautiful
moments really were, you know, like it's a one in
a million experience, one in a zillion experience. Like who
gets that, you know at that age?
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Not everybody, yeah, ever in their whole life. Okay, you're
allowed to tell your story now.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
Uh, I will say this kind of connects the pot
or stuff. I mean, there's so many weird sort of
side stories, so if you can't tell, but my general disposition,
I am a comic con convention going person.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Right.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I went to comic Con before we were asked to
go to comic Con, Like, I waited in line all night.
I like, was that's like a thing. It was like
it was a it was a fun like pilgrimage I
would make growing up in San Francisco to San Diego
to go to ComicCon and my I think my first
year so I graduated, like may, I moved to l A.
(47:30):
So July Comic Con I went down to Comic Con
with him buddy Joey Richter, who would actually end up
being on Glee. He was one of the dance one
of the guys in I like Big Butts Wild. He was.
He was the Ron Weasley to my Harry Potter and
the Potter stuff. He's a big figure in the Star
Kid uh sort of pantheon. And so we drove down
(47:52):
and I think we were we like slept outside all
night to be in Hall h to see the Lost
panel because it was the last than a Loss, and
we had a really great time, like sinking into parties
and like just it was always a fun thing for us.
And actually to make it even crazier is I remember
we drove from my Eastwick callback to that wow funny. Yeah,
(48:13):
that was wild. And I remember even oh because I
had my w my Warner Brothers pass for going on
that lot for that callback and uh, and I remember
going to the Eastwick panel and going waiting in line
for autographs from Rebecca Romain and all the stars of
Eastwick and I had them sign my my I've been
(48:34):
looking for that past everywhere. I don't know where it is,
but like Rebecca Romain like signed it, and then like
two weeks on set with them being like I meant
you guys at Comic Con. Oh so that's its own
little side story. But we were also there a very
Potter musical had just been kind of released, and so
we went down because we were also asked to talk
on a fan panel for like Harry Potter fandom. And
(48:58):
this is really exciting because like, yeah, so we got
to spend our Saturday doing all the fun stuff and
Sunday was the Sunday since to be like perhaps not
as like the high demand stuff, but we're in the
smaller hall. We're like on this panel talking about this
musical that we did and like the Harry Potter fandom
as we've been experiencing it, and the joke I had
(49:20):
at the time on this panel. I don't know if
there's video of it. Of this panel across the way
in Hall H where I just spent the night sleeping
outside of the previous night was the Glee panel. All
h right, I'm not on the show. I have an
audition for the show I have, but this but this
is the earlier one, like for college, like the I
(49:40):
had audition for it. But you know, so like Glee
is happening and I'm like making jokes during the Harry
Potter panel saying like, just you guys know, just to clarify,
this is not the Glee panel. We don't want a
confusion here. That's actually in hall h And I kept
saying that, like making fun of ourselves for not being
as popular as Glee. The next year, when they asked
(50:02):
me to be on that panel again if I wanted
to come back, I had to say no because I
was on the Glee panel.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
And Holly, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Cool. So I have a lot of weird sort of
ins and out like parallel. Yeah, it's a special little thing.
So it's all kind of life's wacky stick around man,
crazy writers. Every season they've got some crazy writers, some
unhinged storylines, dare I say life? Yeah? Yes, A lot
(50:32):
of special, weird things like that were happening for me,
and that's kind of how I felt about Glee. There
were full these little magic, little holy shit moments that
that continue that can like with somewhere only we know.
They pop up in new ways and they keep happening
and getting to reflect upon it with you guys make
them more real in my life. I had to remember
ten years ago. I don't know if I want to
(50:53):
put this on the video but you know when your
phone does whatever. Yeah, it was for some reason it
was the pictures from uh what the fox say?
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Oh God, don't.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
A somewhat notorious moment. I know we were ending on
such a positive things were going, they were actually and
for some reason it was that. And it was me
with like sort of almost lucious malefoy hair because of
they gave me this do for the applause Gaga. Oh
it wasn't what the Fox say, it was for raar.
(51:29):
I just it was a jungle. So maybe I'm putting
those two together. Oh that's why it was because it
would have been the Cadie Gaga. So I was in
Gaga and the next stuff and you and Jenna you
were in like a Tarzani kind of yea.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I took a bunch of pictures of all of you.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Oh, yes, we had it. We we had some time
that day because I have a lot of pictures that day.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
Yeah, that one comes up on my phone a lot.
I'd probably just gotten a new phone. Then that's why
it's like the the like the earliest memory of my
phone has so again, things come up all the time,
and I'm boys are minded now of the things I
really missed.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Look at that one of them not being the podcast today.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm using this in a different context, but yes,
that was my including you guys.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
We love you and you guys.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
It's nice to do this. I love getting to do
this with you guys.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Truly, I really appreciate you doing this again.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
We're four, Well, we're in the three. We just finished
three and we're starting for.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
So this is this the first episode of the season
or the last episode.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Of three, last episode of the season.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Wow, Wow, what an honor your fine season three.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Thank you for spending this much time with us and
really really appreciate it. We have to have you back.
There's even more.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
There's always more, so much more, so much, always more.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
You're the best always. Thank you for being filtered talking
through all of.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
The I love you, Darren.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Congrats on the beautiful family you just you guys are
the best.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
Bye, guys.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
We hope you enjoyed that is Darren Chris.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
I feel like if you've listened to this entire interview,
you get a very good sense of who Darren is.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
And truly it is true like he'd show up happy,
like most days, he'd be like the one that you'd
be like, even if you were in a bad mood
that day, you'd be like, Okay, I'm gonna just like
put a smile on my face because you know what,
You're right. We should be lucky that we're here and
we should enjoy it because this is it's just like
being reminded and pulled out of it sometimes. And Darren
was like always that person if he wasn't snapping on Figgins's.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Couch very consistently, the cheerleader on set correct and that way.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Well, we hope you enjoyed the episode, and if you
haven't listened to part one, go.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Back listen and thank you so much to Darren. That
was incredible. Thank you for giving us how much of
your time and opening up to us, and that's what
you really miss. Thanks for listening and follow us on
Instagram at and that's what you really miss. Pod. Make
sure to write us a review and leave us five stars.
Speaker 4 (54:08):
See you next time.
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