March 13, 2025 • 35 mins
You can blame "Harry" and "Steve" for making the costume designer's job more challenging. Find out why they made it so hard to dress Charlotte and Miranda.
Molly Rogers is back to let us in on the secrets of the costume closet.
Is fashion worth the pain? Kristin reveals a bloody injury caused by her wardrobe and how it almost ruined the outfit and the scene. Find out the cover up!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you
a Charlotte. Mollie Rogers is back for part two.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome back, Molly.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Michael brought up the is it the deor the huge,
huge dress that we brought back in and just like that.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Was it Dior, Versace, the real flour, Yeah, the mil
flir Yeah yeah, Versace, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Versace got it? How did it happen?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
There was a big Vogue spread, I think it was
called Alice in Wonderland and there were dresses in that
and I believe that was one of them, that gown
and Pat was like, call this in for me. I
want to see them, and actually call in all the
gowns in that. Shoot.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And I have fitting photos of Sarah Jessica on the
dirty fitting room floor pretending like she's asleep and each
of those gowns.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Wow, we need those pictures, Mollie.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The rejects are really some of the best outfits on
all of you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh, the region.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
The things that didn't make yeah, reason whatever. Oh and
you you know I have the picture way back for
season one probably you'll remember, and you've got a tennis
outfit on and then you just played tennis in and.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Just like that, I know, which is crazy, right? And
also I just watched the episode where I have a little,
a little, a little fling with this hasidic Jewish artist
named schmool Uh what foreshadowing to Harry do you?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah? Do you know that actor that played that guy?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I vaguely remember there's some story, right, what is it?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah? I worked with him on a cop show when no,
he's adorable. He's in the Joker, the what's his name?
Slices his neck up? But yeah, he told me when
I met when he said, he said, I want you
to know you worked on Sex and the City And
I said yes, he said, I want you to know
that I played the seed um wow with Charlte And
(02:15):
I said you're kidding and he was like, and guess what,
it was my first acting job.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Adorable. I love to hear.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
That, isn't that he's such an incredible actor.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Wow. I remember being very into that.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I mean, I would not have said that at the time.
I'm sure I was trying to hide it. But when
I look back at it, I'm like, what's going on
with me?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Then?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And I remember he was very present, you know, like
in a way that a lot of the guys weren't,
especially in the beginning when no one knew what the
show was, right, Like, I think for the guys, and
I haven't talked about this that much, but the guys
kind of had to play like a girlfriend part. They
weren't really used to it.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You need to get into that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Don't I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I I don't know if I should have a guy
on and try to talk to him about it. Is
that weird? Molly?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
No, I think you know they all were. It was
role reversal.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It really was, and it threw them sometimes. They were
just like deer in the headlights, you know what I'm saying.
And I have another episode that hasn't come on yet,
but I remember this, and I'm trying to get into
call Hall Officiner to come on. She's she's not come
on yet. I don't know why, but I'm gonna. I'm
gonna pursue her, Okay, But I think I think it
was one that she directed. And I have a guy
(03:28):
and you know how Michael and Melfie and Darren would
cast these like very good looking, like there was a
type in the beginning, do you know what I'm saying?
And they're making right.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Their type exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And this guy comes in, very handsome guy, and I'm
supposed to be I don't know if I'm picking him
up at a bar or flirting with him at a bar,
or if we're meeting at a bar, but we're at
a bar and he's supposed to say to me, you're
so hot. So we're at this rehearsal and you know,
people didn't know the show right first or second season,
(04:01):
didn't really know the show, and numerous different actors who
came in would say like, well, I'm not gonna say
these lines, am I.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And we'd be like, uh, yes, you are.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know, we take this seriously, like you are going
to say those lines. So I'm sitting there and he's like,
I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna tell her
she's hot. And I'm like, oh god, uh you know me?
And secure me. I'm like, oh god, he doesn't think
I'm hot, you know. But also, like what woman would
come on to a show and say that. No woman
would come onto a show and be like I'm not
(04:31):
gonna say that that guy is hot.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
No one would do that.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That is a fascinating story, and you need to go scratch.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Okay, I will, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I don't know that actor's name, and I feel bad
even talking about it. It's gonna be some whack out headline.
But it was truly happened, you know, it did happen.
I don't want to make him feel bad, but you know,
he was like, I'm not gonna say that to her,
and I was like, oh god. And then I remember
Nicole going like, well, you need you you really need
to just say it to her. Just throw it just,
you know, just throw it off like second, you know,
(05:02):
like like you know nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You want to watch that again?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well? See, this is the joy of rewatching, right, Like,
so much comes back to you. It's quite amazing. You
should come back on and rewatch with me, babe.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's really fun to watch reruns.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It is.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I never had watched them.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I hadn't either, right there. I have a couple of times,
and it's it holds up.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It does. It's so interesting to look at I know,
and we're so young, my god, we're so young.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
But also the thing.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That I enjoy about it it moves so quickly and
it's over so quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, how do we fit it all in? I know
it's like bam bam, bam, bam bam.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And I mean at the point that I am in
the first season, we don't even really have it structured
in the way that it became structured where her voiceover
would tie in to you know, Meanwhile, downtown Charlotte was
doing blah blah blah blah, and uptown Miranda was doing
blah blah blah. You know, we're not even there yet, right,
It's still very Hodgepodge and Sarah Jessica is still having
(06:07):
to talk to the camera sometimes. Wow, but you know
she's just dying inside, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Oh my gosh, can you remember that every single season?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Apparently I am well fantastic. Sometimes I lay in bed.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And I'm like, oh my god, ninety eight episodes. I'm
gonna watch ninety eight episodes. I know it is so
much to talk about, and I really need you guys
to come on and help me. Okay, we will, thank you, baby.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Many of the people that have memories.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I know, everyone has memories, which is joy. And I'm
going to look at this list now because obviously I
could just roll with you and talk about anything.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
But okay, look, this is a good question.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Just off the top. Was there a lot of experimenting,
because I remember some experimenting you guys tried to do
on me that I was like, no.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh yeah, I think that for some reason, you Pat,
you know, Pat just had this Betty Page vision of
Charlotte interpreted Betty Page interpreted into the upper east side. Right,
that was her head and she just wanted you so
(07:19):
much in wiggle skirts. Oh my gosh, I hope this
doesn't trigger you.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It's okay.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
But he wanted to clip on bang on you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So she wanted it bad you guys.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Pat wanted me to have the mini micro bang so
badly that she took my head shot because you know,
when you're doing a TV show, you have everyone's picture
up on the board, right, like their head shots back
in the olden days. But that's what we called it.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And she drew in a mini a mini bang.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And then not only that, so she wanted me to
have a mini bang, but she also wanted me to
have a role like like like in the forties because
sometimes when I was doing my hair, we would pin
it up like temporarily, okay in the you like that.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Right, She wanted me to wear that like in the show.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, she's so adorable. But what I remember is like,
for me, I was stressing over my idea, which was
kind of very classic Upper east Side, long straight hair,
very Ralph Lauren, you know, very park Avenue, park Avenue,
(08:30):
stereotypical Park Avenue, right, not interesting park Avenue, just very
like if you walked into the Ralph Laurence store and
just bought head to tell Ralph Lauren, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And the person that would also go and look at
China at birds.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Exactly and just happens to be an art girl. So
maybe there could be some you know, something more structured
than that, but not necessarily, you know, some of the.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Things that that wanted.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So I remember one time, and I don't remember why.
It could have been the Hampton's episode that's coming when
I have to pretend that I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Younger or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But do you remember she tried to get me the
Cone brother No way, Oh my gosh, so funny. Do
you remember the Cone bra she tried to get me
to wear. And again, this was like a Madonna Heyday
type moment. It was from the store, I believe. I mean,
I remember going to the store and having a fitting
at some point and there was like a very tight, tight,
tight tube skirt, which I was like, I can't do it, Pat,
(09:26):
I can't pull it off. This is what you guys
had to put up with me, you know for a while,
right as you know, thinking like I can't wear that,
and then and Pat being like what why not? You know,
And then there was a like tool it had like
little ruffles of tool on it, like you know, and
then like a cone bra and.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So wild.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I know, I love it too, but I said.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
No, I mean it was just more photo shoot ish
or something. I just it was editorial, yes, which her,
you know, she just had a bigger view of everything,
you know, which God love her for it, right, But
for me as as a as an actor, as a
as a character as you know, trying to play its character,
sometimes I just felt like I couldn't go handle it.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah. But then I feel like we found it. It
just took us some time to find the middle ground
of the agreed.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Agreed. Then when the two of you, you know, it's you,
she had her bang, you had this other idea, and
you guys came together.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And yeah, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Archetype of a person.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Absolutely absolutely, and thank goodness, she wasn't you know, as
a kind of pigeonholed as I wanted her to be.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And isn't it great to work with people that have
strong opinions and aren't with she while she or they're
not twenty cooks in the kitchen like somebody is. This
is how it is.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Definitely debate it, definitely, But I think that's the thing
about our show. And you know, it's hard to really
describe to other people. But you know, when I have
gone on to other projects or other shows and maybe
people aren't around all the time or they're you know,
they just kind of like, well, this is just my area.
I'm just gonna do my area. Like that's not how
(11:20):
you make something good?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
No, and when are you? I mean, I'll speak for myself.
It's rare that you get to experiment or have the
luxury of finding your way in something.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Now, It's true, it is rare.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
But I think that's our whole mo like in terms
of just the show in general, the fact that they
let us find our way, you know, like abst you know,
we didn't know.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
The heyday of HBO.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I know, I know we're so lucky takers so good,
so good. Do you remember that time you guys dressed
me and I can't remember what I was doing. I
was wearing a vintage thing that also involved lace, and
we got I think the only note that I ever
remember getting from HBO about my clothes. They said, do
not put Charlotte in vintage. Do you remember this?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Because it was a little bit grandma ish vintage. They
thought was.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It white islet or something that it was.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It was black lace. It was black lace over white.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, and they didn't get it. And also I think
that what happened was it wasn't tight enough. Oh so
it looked fluffy, you know what I'm saying, like dowdyish,
grandma e vintage, And so they didn't necessarily understand. They
were like, no vintage, and you guys were like, what
you know, how dare you.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Place?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It was a little tiny moment. I don't think it lasted,
you know. But also the other thing was that they
didn't I don't think they probably realized that Sarah's four
coat was vented. Like there were so many vintage things
that you had from the get go, oh.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
My god, and that we could afford, which you can
barely afford vintage.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Now I know it.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
In a great way, in a good way, in a
sad way, and whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's so true, it's so so true. Who did you
enjoy dressing the most?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Molly? Now? That is no one in their right mind
is going to choose their favorite child.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
See that's why I didn't ask her.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's why I didn't ask her. But okay, so let's
just go over a little bit vague vague notes for
all of us.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Okay, Well, you know I have the receipts. I can
look through photos and I can remember, you know, some
of the you know, mind numbing things fitting Cynthia Nixon
when she was actually pregnant and fitting her when she
was show pregnant. Right, those moments that you know, pregnant
(13:58):
season shows are really really tough, aren't they. You remember
the little things like I don't know what they do now,
but I remember it. The thing that everybody just said
you had to use was bird seed for the.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Boobs, which makes no sense. I don't really understand, so Dinosaury, now, yeah, like,
why why would they say that? It's so interesting? Do
you remember when I Charlotte gets pregnant and we got
the fake belly and it had a belly button and
Michael Patrick was like, no, that's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That is one of my favorite Charlotte outfits with big s.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
The door. Yeah, the door was good.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Someone just brought that up on an Instagram post the
other day and it was good. It was vintage door
from their archives, I believe, really, yeah, because it wasn't
current and it wasn't my size, you know, because it
had to be pregnant. And the thing that I remember
about that, I think that was my first day on
the that's the first movie, right, the first movie must
(15:01):
be right, And I, you know how my ears, you know,
my allergy to certain metals, My ears had closed up
and I.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Didn't realize it.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So I'm in the hair and makeup trailer. I'm behind,
of course because it's our first day, and there's this
massive crowd up outside, you know, and I'm so stressed
about the crowd, and I'm thinking to myself, does Michael
Patrick realize that he has my very first scene outside
with like, you know, the pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Does he remember that?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You know that there's just happening, yeah, And like, do
you remember there were people there from the magazines with
like their tape recorders and like writing notes, and Chris
and I walk over there thinking that they're fans, and
they're like asking us questions and we're like, oh god,
oh god.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Oh, we've got to leave.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
We've got to leave exactly, run run, someone help us.
But I'm in the hair and makeup trailer. They're trying
to get me ready, you know, They're like, they're ready
for me, ready for me, and you're stressing. And I
realized it. Don't have my Van Cleef and our pel
earrings in they're supposed to go with my outfit, and
I have to read pierced this ear myself and blood
drips onto the white vintage de Or silk and I'm dying. Okay,
(16:08):
Can I tell you my ear is still messed up
from that. My ear has never recovered.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Oh my gosh. That was the true sacrifice. There was bloodshed.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
There was bloodshed onto the door, which of course I'm mortified.
I'm like, oh my god, there's blood on the door.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
You see it in the scene or something.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I don't think so, I don't think so. Oh, I'm
sure you guys were on top of me. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I called you, like, help me, I got blood on
the door.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's such a good insider story.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I know I might have had the bags on that shoulder.
I might have put the bags on that shoulder just
so that you didn't see the blood on the door.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I'm sure you did some cute little.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Trip I tried.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I wish we had kept that because it was just, Oh,
what a fantastic I mean, you guys have done. When
you think about everything that you guys have done just
for us, obviously you have other careers, but I mean jobs,
other jobs in your career, If you think about everything
that you have done, do you feel proud?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I just am so speechless when I think of how
fortunate and oftentimes I think about and what we accomplished
in everything, and how amazing it was to go to
a couture show and you know that HBO sent us
several several times. That is unheard of, unheard care But
(17:28):
you know, I think about what it would be like
if it hadn't been the four of you, Like I
often think about what if it wasn't seem you know
who what this casting it's just all so aligned. It's
very witchy.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It is witchy because there's no, there was not a
lot of you know, we never read together. You know,
we didn't really know each other. It's just magic that
it worked. But again my feeling is, first of all, yes,
Kis meant some kind of like magic came together. But
also I feel I feel also that you know, the
the important parts of it that I think about are
(18:08):
the collaboration, the willingness to come in with these very
strong personalities, you know, Darren, Michael, pat you know Sarah, right, Yeah,
everyone had extremely strong thoughts and opinions and instincts, right,
but it was never you were not in trouble for
(18:29):
having that. You were more in trouble if you didn't
have that, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
That's true, right, And I think that's an amazing kind
of specialness of our show.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And I think that when you and I reminisce sometimes
in your trailer when you have a down moment, which
is never and talk about fights or major drama situations
on the show, those were as good to talk They're
as good to think about in hindsight as the.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
High Absolutely, I think that's part of the reason for
the success is.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Because at the moment, yeah, it's right.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right at the moment. It's kind of tiring.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You can wear yourself out with the dramas. But the
dramas happened because everyone felt so strongly, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, the passion of it. Yeah, when you look back
now you're like, Okay, that's horrible when I was getting
screamed at in front of the crew, But now I
find it fascinating. Let's dis say it and talk about it.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Definitely, definitely, And I feel like also it's the thing
of like, you know, everyone involved was so incredibly smart
about their own area. Like I was just looking at
the credits for this one of six, and I ever
thought about Jeremy Conway.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Whereber Jeremy, I.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Do who went on to do the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
The Olympics, I know, because he's brilliant, Like our show
would not still exist and look like it does if
Jeremy hadn't been our production designer. You know, he was
just super super brilliant and cared about all the little
details and would come talk to me.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I remember, even back.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I mean we had no you remember, in the beginning,
we had no producer credit whatsoever. But I remember everyone
would include us, you know, with the exception occasionally of directors,
which then we would have to go above their heads.
But if they didn't understand that we were an integral
part of the decision making process and we're.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Just so lucky with the title, but you were.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
We were, And that's so special and unique, you know,
to have for actors, much less actresses, right to be
thought of like, oh, this person is an integral part
of this production, and she has a say in how
her house looks, how her apartment looks, how her clothes looks.
You know, what art would she have? What art wouldn't
she have? Like it was so collaborative.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I remember Sarah Jessica with Sabrina Wright, who was like
five generation props yep, picking out what magazines would be
on that table in that apartment.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That's right, like that level of detail. I remember me
sending Sabrina what wedding rings I wanted, Oh wow, and
making her get them from Kathy Waterman, who happened to
be in Los Angeles. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes? I do. Is there anything that you because we
reminisce and you're watching the older episode, do you have
a memento that you framed at home?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't have that.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You have that you is sacred and that you know,
I know, you know, being framed. What if she have
framed it's some kind of poeme.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh, that's nice. I don't think I knew that. I
should ask her about that. What do you have framed?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Okay? This, this won't get us in trouble.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay, you know talking.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
About talking about passionate thing moments. There's a moment you
know when when people do not want you to wear something,
or anyone to wear something, and they it will ruin
their dialogue or it will take away from the scene.
They can go wild in the office, try to tell
(22:06):
you their point. This is why she should not wear this.
I have a torn picture of you guys. It's torn
from Michael King. They're never wearing this, oh my gosh.
And I showed it to him one time and he
just thought it was so funny that I can't and.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
What were we wearing? And did we wear it? No,
it's not going to get us in trouble.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
No, it's a funny passionate like did we wear it?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Who won that argument?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
No, he brought up in when I talked to him,
he brought up that he had said no to the
fisace millful and then yeah, that he had initially said no,
and that then he had really learned like no, no,
because his thing was, well, why would she be wearing it? Right?
Because you know how he's literal because he's writing right,
like it's a different job. And then he says, you know,
(23:01):
it really taught me that you don't always have to
have a reason. You know that it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Incredible, right, I never do that. That's such a good
behind the scenes. I never knew that he was like
anti that.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I think it was anti that for in the hotel room,
like how would she have gotten it there? You know,
like practical?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Right, he's very good. I remember Pat explaining why she
borrowed it when she was there, right, why is in
her closet? And where she keeps it?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We have no idea, right, right, exactly right?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I think it's in a box.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Doesn't she get it back out of a box when
she needs it?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You have to kind of stretch your imagination there, right.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
But that's okay because it was part of what our show,
Like it was like the you know, the like building
blocks of our show. I feel like, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And I love about him and all of you too
as producers that you if you consider something and you're
against it and then you've slept on it and you've
changed your mind and you correct it, you will you
correct yourselves. You're not You're like, I thought about that
(24:15):
wrong and I think you're right, But I'm not gonna
wear that bang, pat Well.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I think some of that is from the history too,
like like in the beginning, because when I look back
on these early episodes, to me, I seem like like
a floppy puppy or like a little child or something
like I look so young, and I seem so like
out of my element almost, you know, like the rest
of them seem so sophisticated, and I feel like I'm like, right,
(24:42):
you know, but I remember.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I just remember that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like, and I'm also wearing weird clothes, like like.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I think I went shopping.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't know this is.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I think those are weird.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I see them, right, What are they?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I tell you that's where we went.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
We they're Bloomingdale's. I think they're either Bloomingdales or that
I went somewhere and bought something and was like, hey,
can I wear this? You know, which I think is
why Darren then took me to dinner to say, listen,
you have to let Pat dress you because she can
dress you better than you can. And I was like, okay,
I'm sure she can. I just need to understand what
we're doing and that I can do it. I needed
(25:20):
so much confidence like built up in me that I
could actually wear the things that I perceived as being
what people in Vogue were like. I just had trouble
making that leap myself, you know. So it took some time,
and it took some time for Pat and I to
find our way to each other in terms of, like,
you know, she was trying to accentuate the part of
(25:43):
my body that I've been trying to hide, which was
my hips in my butt, but at the same time
she sometimes would you know, kind of slightly criticize them.
So it was very confusing to me, as you know,
because you were there.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That's not an easy thing to do in front of
the dressing room mirror, you know what I mean, when
you're comfortable and we all have those parts of us
that were like, no, I'm camouflaging that, this is whatever stopped. Yeah,
So yeah, it's it's it's interesting that you you uh,
you had a journey.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh my god, big time, such a journey, such a journey,
and it continues, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
You know, maybe that's what is weird. A little bit
about your clothes. Maybe they're in the early early days,
Uh huh, they've got that little touch of West, you know,
like definitely needed to be sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You were in Manhattan, definitely, and I definitely. I mean,
I just see that there's some kind of of lack
of clarity. And also I think also what you're reminding
me of is that we didn't have the budget, we
didn't have the ability to borrow, so so you know,
we haven't gotten there yet. But also I don't even
(26:58):
know what I what I would have wanted. Like the
first time that I remember feeling great, and I don't
know what episode this is is when I was wearing
this black dress with the you know it's got like
like panels down it. Oh you know what else I love?
And I also don't know if this first your second season.
Do you remember that time at the gallery where Willie's
there and all of us are there and Pat convinced
(27:20):
me to have a high pony with a hair piece,
so it's really long ponytail. And she put me in
diamond hoop ear rings, which literally I never wear.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Oh, I want to see this so bad.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And I feel like I might have a turtleneck kind
of a sheath on, you know, like some kind of
pretty sophisticated thing for me.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
For Charlotte that sounds very gallery.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It was very gallery, and I feel like I might
even have a red lip on. All kind of shocking elements. Right,
I'm sitting, but it's good. It's good, and I remember
moments like that early on where things came together and
I think for me, and I'm sure she was probably
just cursing me right at this point, but like for me,
I just had to find my way to it, like
(28:02):
who is this woman? Because as we've discussed with Michael
and everybody else, really nobody knew who Charlotte was in
the beginning, which is why they tried to demote me,
you know, to recurring or whatever. And thank goodness I
didn't let them. Oh that, Oh baby, you got to
listen to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No I will. I've been catching backs and snippets because
I love these stories.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I know, because no one knows all the stories that's
the fun that's the funny.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Because you have seen them in such a while is
also a great thing.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh yeah, oh, I haven't seen them in twenty something
twenty five years. Because for me, like if they were
on E which was the first time they got syndicated,
I feel like, you know, it was like, first of all,
it was toned down because they'd edded so much out,
and second of all, it was living in the past,
and I felt like, well, I don't want to live
in the past. I want to live now because partly
we were still doing the show, and we were doing
(28:49):
the movies and you know, doing other things obviously, and
now because it is so incredibly long ago, it's amazing
to watch it. But it is a little bit like
there therapy, I have to say, like it is a
little bit like wow, like I need to really think
about my own journey.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Right, Like that is a lot of chronicling, you know,
so much of a journey for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
But I love it and I love that we can
all be on record together about our experience.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, I'm so glad you're getting everybody to come in
and discuss everything with you.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
We're not all the way there, yet, but having you
has been amazing. I was like, we got to get Molly.
We got to get Molly.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Thank you so much. And you said when you texted me,
we won't have any problem finding something to talk about.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
As we never do, as we never do. Okay, Mollie Rogers,
thank you for joining us. I love you so much.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Thank you for having It was so much fun. Let's
do it again.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Let's do it again. Hey, how do you feel.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
About actually rewatching?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Cool, I mean we don't have to do it live together,
but like you can watch and then let's write about
our thoughts or what we remember.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Hilarious.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Oh my god, I forgot to ask your bus and
it's so important. I'm gonna take my glasses off for this.
I gotta ask her about the naked dress. The naked dress,
Well do I know the answer?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
What about the naked dress?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Was the dress that she wears in the show and
the dress that ends up on the bus.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Do you remember the bus?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Is this the billboard that is on the bus and
that someone draws graffiti of a personal part? And yeah, yes,
and it's in the In the she's wearing the tutu
when she sees the bus obviously in the opening credits,
but in the show it's a story point. She's doing
a photo shoot for her column and she's wearing this
DK and Y and or Donna, Karen Proper, I'm not
(30:54):
sure which. It's a nude colored dress. It's very nineties,
and and she comes she shows up. We're all there
for moral supports. It's her first date with Big, and
she comes out and I'm like, oh, like you can tell.
Charlie's like somewhat mortified that this is what she's wearing.
And Amanda says, uh, it's tits on toast, which is
(31:18):
really funny. And she's like, is it too much? And
Samantha's like, it's fabulous, darling. And then she wears it.
And she walks out and sees Big on the street
with the fur coat, and he goes, interesting dress, and
she goes meaning and he says interesting dress, and I'm
(31:39):
just like, what a jerk. Like sometimes I look back
on Big and I'm like, wow, yeah, he's kind of
a jerk. Yeah, you know, but some lines, I mean, right, gosh.
Then they get in the car and they make out
because it's like this naked dress, and I guess she
felt like what interesting dress is a compliment or whatever.
(31:59):
I don't know, but do you remember this dress?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I do, and I want to remind you and you'll go, oh, yeah,
that's right. First of all, it's in her storage because
I touched.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It last year, your Way.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
It's in tissue and I was like, what.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It has plastic string, not like a plastic like a whatever,
plastic bra strap where you're trying to hide. You know
that it's it's a little fishing wire.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Now here is the original continuity photo. Remember when we
olaroids and yes and wrote it all by hand.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh my gosh, will you send that to me?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I will? It says dress and Pat describes it naked,
g string, beige, Cosabella. Oh yeah, that's all your Manolo beige,
actor's own a purse, snake skin long, actor's own coat,
(33:02):
vintage for earrings studs.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Wow, adorable.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
And you somebody took a picture of her on set. Yeah,
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, I know they have a hole.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
She she's in the apartment with us, and she goes
out onto the street.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Then they're in the cab.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Then it's this big. It's like a notepad.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I mean, it is interestingly naked. In terms of what's
going on up top, I hadn't really remembered all of it.
I was like, Wow, it's quite something.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
It's bold, it's in storage, it's in tis.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
She Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I cannot wait until she has the retrospective show in
the future. It's going to be quite something.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I've got a lot of great pictures she can have
of you for that show, for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Really, I do send them to me.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Send them, take pictures of the pictures and send them
to me.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I might send you the most shocking one I have
in a fitting and you will not believe what you
actually tried on you. Wow, take a alcacette, sir. Yeah,
I need to see it.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I need to see it.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
One of my favorite favorite I have a stack of
photos myself of when we're trying to find the Vera
Wang wedding dress for the Kyle wedding, the Trey wedding,
and we went to Vera Wang a few times. Do
you remember this. I mean we must have put on
thirty dresses and we took polaroids of all of them
because we had to get everybody to agree, which was
so difficult. Do you remember. And there's one where Pat
(34:41):
is literally under my skirt. She's completely hidden, her little
feet are picking out, she's doing something under there, and
I'm just standing there because it was so normal and it's.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Really remember yeah, yesterday, me too. I remember being at
badgely Mishka.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
That was for the second, for the hairy wedding.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I have a lot of those fitting photos of those.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yay, I don't have those. Let's share our photos.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Molly, I will okay, see you soon.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Love you,
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you
a Charlotte. Mollie Rogers is back for part two.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome back, Molly.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Michael brought up the is it the deor the huge,
huge dress that we brought back in and just like that.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Was it Dior, Versace, the real flour, Yeah, the mil
flir Yeah yeah, Versace, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Versace got it? How did it happen?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
There was a big Vogue spread, I think it was
called Alice in Wonderland and there were dresses in that
and I believe that was one of them, that gown
and Pat was like, call this in for me. I
want to see them, and actually call in all the
gowns in that. Shoot.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And I have fitting photos of Sarah Jessica on the
dirty fitting room floor pretending like she's asleep and each
of those gowns.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Wow, we need those pictures, Mollie.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The rejects are really some of the best outfits on
all of you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh, the region.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
The things that didn't make yeah, reason whatever. Oh and
you you know I have the picture way back for
season one probably you'll remember, and you've got a tennis
outfit on and then you just played tennis in and.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Just like that, I know, which is crazy, right? And
also I just watched the episode where I have a little,
a little, a little fling with this hasidic Jewish artist
named schmool Uh what foreshadowing to Harry do you?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah? Do you know that actor that played that guy?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I vaguely remember there's some story, right, what is it?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah? I worked with him on a cop show when no,
he's adorable. He's in the Joker, the what's his name?
Slices his neck up? But yeah, he told me when
I met when he said, he said, I want you
to know you worked on Sex and the City And
I said yes, he said, I want you to know
that I played the seed um wow with Charlte And
(02:15):
I said you're kidding and he was like, and guess what,
it was my first acting job.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Adorable. I love to hear.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
That, isn't that he's such an incredible actor.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Wow. I remember being very into that.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I mean, I would not have said that at the time.
I'm sure I was trying to hide it. But when
I look back at it, I'm like, what's going on
with me?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Then?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And I remember he was very present, you know, like
in a way that a lot of the guys weren't,
especially in the beginning when no one knew what the
show was, right, Like, I think for the guys, and
I haven't talked about this that much, but the guys
kind of had to play like a girlfriend part. They
weren't really used to it.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You need to get into that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Don't I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I I don't know if I should have a guy
on and try to talk to him about it. Is
that weird? Molly?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
No, I think you know they all were. It was
role reversal.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It really was, and it threw them sometimes. They were
just like deer in the headlights, you know what I'm saying.
And I have another episode that hasn't come on yet,
but I remember this, and I'm trying to get into
call Hall Officiner to come on. She's she's not come
on yet. I don't know why, but I'm gonna. I'm
gonna pursue her, Okay, But I think I think it
was one that she directed. And I have a guy
(03:28):
and you know how Michael and Melfie and Darren would
cast these like very good looking, like there was a
type in the beginning, do you know what I'm saying?
And they're making right.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Their type exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And this guy comes in, very handsome guy, and I'm
supposed to be I don't know if I'm picking him
up at a bar or flirting with him at a bar,
or if we're meeting at a bar, but we're at
a bar and he's supposed to say to me, you're
so hot. So we're at this rehearsal and you know,
people didn't know the show right first or second season,
(04:01):
didn't really know the show, and numerous different actors who
came in would say like, well, I'm not gonna say
these lines, am I.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And we'd be like, uh, yes, you are.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know, we take this seriously, like you are going
to say those lines. So I'm sitting there and he's like,
I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna tell her
she's hot. And I'm like, oh god, uh you know me?
And secure me. I'm like, oh god, he doesn't think
I'm hot, you know. But also, like what woman would
come on to a show and say that. No woman
would come onto a show and be like I'm not
(04:31):
gonna say that that guy is hot.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
No one would do that.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That is a fascinating story, and you need to go scratch.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Okay, I will, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I don't know that actor's name, and I feel bad
even talking about it. It's gonna be some whack out headline.
But it was truly happened, you know, it did happen.
I don't want to make him feel bad, but you know,
he was like, I'm not gonna say that to her,
and I was like, oh god. And then I remember
Nicole going like, well, you need you you really need
to just say it to her. Just throw it just,
you know, just throw it off like second, you know,
(05:02):
like like you know nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You want to watch that again?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well? See, this is the joy of rewatching, right, Like,
so much comes back to you. It's quite amazing. You
should come back on and rewatch with me, babe.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's really fun to watch reruns.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
It is.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I never had watched them.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I hadn't either, right there. I have a couple of times,
and it's it holds up.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It does. It's so interesting to look at I know,
and we're so young, my god, we're so young.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
But also the thing.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That I enjoy about it it moves so quickly and
it's over so quickly.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, how do we fit it all in? I know
it's like bam bam, bam, bam bam.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And I mean at the point that I am in
the first season, we don't even really have it structured
in the way that it became structured where her voiceover
would tie in to you know, Meanwhile, downtown Charlotte was
doing blah blah blah blah, and uptown Miranda was doing
blah blah blah. You know, we're not even there yet, right,
It's still very Hodgepodge and Sarah Jessica is still having
(06:07):
to talk to the camera sometimes. Wow, but you know
she's just dying inside, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Oh my gosh, can you remember that every single season?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Apparently I am well fantastic. Sometimes I lay in bed.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And I'm like, oh my god, ninety eight episodes. I'm
gonna watch ninety eight episodes. I know it is so
much to talk about, and I really need you guys
to come on and help me. Okay, we will, thank you, baby.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Many of the people that have memories.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I know, everyone has memories, which is joy. And I'm
going to look at this list now because obviously I
could just roll with you and talk about anything.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
But okay, look, this is a good question.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Just off the top. Was there a lot of experimenting,
because I remember some experimenting you guys tried to do
on me that I was like, no.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh yeah, I think that for some reason, you Pat,
you know, Pat just had this Betty Page vision of
Charlotte interpreted Betty Page interpreted into the upper east side. Right,
that was her head and she just wanted you so
(07:19):
much in wiggle skirts. Oh my gosh, I hope this
doesn't trigger you.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It's okay.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
But he wanted to clip on bang on you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So she wanted it bad you guys.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Pat wanted me to have the mini micro bang so
badly that she took my head shot because you know,
when you're doing a TV show, you have everyone's picture
up on the board, right, like their head shots back
in the olden days. But that's what we called it.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
And she drew in a mini a mini bang.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And then not only that, so she wanted me to
have a mini bang, but she also wanted me to
have a role like like like in the forties because
sometimes when I was doing my hair, we would pin
it up like temporarily, okay in the you like that.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Right, She wanted me to wear that like in the show.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, she's so adorable. But what I remember is like,
for me, I was stressing over my idea, which was
kind of very classic Upper east Side, long straight hair,
very Ralph Lauren, you know, very park Avenue, park Avenue,
(08:30):
stereotypical Park Avenue, right, not interesting park Avenue, just very
like if you walked into the Ralph Laurence store and
just bought head to tell Ralph Lauren, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And the person that would also go and look at
China at birds.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Exactly and just happens to be an art girl. So
maybe there could be some you know, something more structured
than that, but not necessarily, you know, some of the.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Things that that wanted.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So I remember one time, and I don't remember why.
It could have been the Hampton's episode that's coming when
I have to pretend that I'm.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Younger or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But do you remember she tried to get me the
Cone brother No way, Oh my gosh, so funny. Do
you remember the Cone bra she tried to get me
to wear. And again, this was like a Madonna Heyday
type moment. It was from the store, I believe. I mean,
I remember going to the store and having a fitting
at some point and there was like a very tight, tight,
tight tube skirt, which I was like, I can't do it, Pat,
(09:26):
I can't pull it off. This is what you guys
had to put up with me, you know for a while,
right as you know, thinking like I can't wear that,
and then and Pat being like what why not? You know,
And then there was a like tool it had like
little ruffles of tool on it, like you know, and
then like a cone bra and.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So wild.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I know, I love it too, but I said.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
No, I mean it was just more photo shoot ish
or something. I just it was editorial, yes, which her,
you know, she just had a bigger view of everything,
you know, which God love her for it, right, But
for me as as a as an actor, as a
as a character as you know, trying to play its character,
sometimes I just felt like I couldn't go handle it.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah. But then I feel like we found it. It
just took us some time to find the middle ground
of the agreed.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Agreed. Then when the two of you, you know, it's you,
she had her bang, you had this other idea, and
you guys came together.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And yeah, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Archetype of a person.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Absolutely absolutely, and thank goodness, she wasn't you know, as
a kind of pigeonholed as I wanted her to be.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And isn't it great to work with people that have
strong opinions and aren't with she while she or they're
not twenty cooks in the kitchen like somebody is. This
is how it is.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Definitely debate it, definitely, But I think that's the thing
about our show. And you know, it's hard to really
describe to other people. But you know, when I have
gone on to other projects or other shows and maybe
people aren't around all the time or they're you know,
they just kind of like, well, this is just my area.
I'm just gonna do my area. Like that's not how
(11:20):
you make something good?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
No, and when are you? I mean, I'll speak for myself.
It's rare that you get to experiment or have the
luxury of finding your way in something.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Now, It's true, it is rare.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
But I think that's our whole mo like in terms
of just the show in general, the fact that they
let us find our way, you know, like abst you know,
we didn't know.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
The heyday of HBO.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I know, I know we're so lucky takers so good,
so good. Do you remember that time you guys dressed
me and I can't remember what I was doing. I
was wearing a vintage thing that also involved lace, and
we got I think the only note that I ever
remember getting from HBO about my clothes. They said, do
not put Charlotte in vintage. Do you remember this?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Because it was a little bit grandma ish vintage. They
thought was.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
It white islet or something that it was.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It was black lace. It was black lace over white.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, and they didn't get it. And also I think
that what happened was it wasn't tight enough. Oh so
it looked fluffy, you know what I'm saying, like dowdyish,
grandma e vintage, And so they didn't necessarily understand. They
were like, no vintage, and you guys were like, what
you know, how dare you.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Place?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It was a little tiny moment. I don't think it lasted,
you know. But also the other thing was that they
didn't I don't think they probably realized that Sarah's four
coat was vented. Like there were so many vintage things
that you had from the get go, oh.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
My god, and that we could afford, which you can
barely afford vintage.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Now I know it.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
In a great way, in a good way, in a
sad way, and whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's so true, it's so so true. Who did you
enjoy dressing the most?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Molly? Now? That is no one in their right mind
is going to choose their favorite child.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
See that's why I didn't ask her.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's why I didn't ask her. But okay, so let's
just go over a little bit vague vague notes for
all of us.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Okay, Well, you know I have the receipts. I can
look through photos and I can remember, you know, some
of the you know, mind numbing things fitting Cynthia Nixon
when she was actually pregnant and fitting her when she
was show pregnant. Right, those moments that you know, pregnant
(13:58):
season shows are really really tough, aren't they. You remember
the little things like I don't know what they do now,
but I remember it. The thing that everybody just said
you had to use was bird seed for the.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Boobs, which makes no sense. I don't really understand, so Dinosaury, now, yeah, like,
why why would they say that? It's so interesting? Do
you remember when I Charlotte gets pregnant and we got
the fake belly and it had a belly button and
Michael Patrick was like, no, that's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
That is one of my favorite Charlotte outfits with big s.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
The door. Yeah, the door was good.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Someone just brought that up on an Instagram post the
other day and it was good. It was vintage door
from their archives, I believe, really, yeah, because it wasn't
current and it wasn't my size, you know, because it
had to be pregnant. And the thing that I remember
about that, I think that was my first day on
the that's the first movie, right, the first movie must
(15:01):
be right, And I, you know how my ears, you know,
my allergy to certain metals, My ears had closed up
and I.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Didn't realize it.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So I'm in the hair and makeup trailer. I'm behind,
of course because it's our first day, and there's this
massive crowd up outside, you know, and I'm so stressed
about the crowd, and I'm thinking to myself, does Michael
Patrick realize that he has my very first scene outside
with like, you know, the pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Does he remember that?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You know that there's just happening, yeah, And like, do
you remember there were people there from the magazines with
like their tape recorders and like writing notes, and Chris
and I walk over there thinking that they're fans, and
they're like asking us questions and we're like, oh god,
oh god.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Oh, we've got to leave.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
We've got to leave exactly, run run, someone help us.
But I'm in the hair and makeup trailer. They're trying
to get me ready, you know, They're like, they're ready
for me, ready for me, and you're stressing. And I
realized it. Don't have my Van Cleef and our pel
earrings in they're supposed to go with my outfit, and
I have to read pierced this ear myself and blood
drips onto the white vintage de Or silk and I'm dying. Okay,
(16:08):
Can I tell you my ear is still messed up
from that. My ear has never recovered.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Oh my gosh. That was the true sacrifice. There was bloodshed.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
There was bloodshed onto the door, which of course I'm mortified.
I'm like, oh my god, there's blood on the door.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
You see it in the scene or something.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I don't think so, I don't think so. Oh, I'm
sure you guys were on top of me. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I called you, like, help me, I got blood on
the door.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
That's such a good insider story.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I know I might have had the bags on that shoulder.
I might have put the bags on that shoulder just
so that you didn't see the blood on the door.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I'm sure you did some cute little.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Trip I tried.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I wish we had kept that because it was just, Oh,
what a fantastic I mean, you guys have done. When
you think about everything that you guys have done just
for us, obviously you have other careers, but I mean jobs,
other jobs in your career, If you think about everything
that you have done, do you feel proud?
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I just am so speechless when I think of how
fortunate and oftentimes I think about and what we accomplished
in everything, and how amazing it was to go to
a couture show and you know that HBO sent us
several several times. That is unheard of, unheard care But
(17:28):
you know, I think about what it would be like
if it hadn't been the four of you, Like I
often think about what if it wasn't seem you know
who what this casting it's just all so aligned. It's
very witchy.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It is witchy because there's no, there was not a
lot of you know, we never read together. You know,
we didn't really know each other. It's just magic that
it worked. But again my feeling is, first of all, yes,
Kis meant some kind of like magic came together. But
also I feel I feel also that you know, the
the important parts of it that I think about are
(18:08):
the collaboration, the willingness to come in with these very
strong personalities, you know, Darren, Michael, pat you know Sarah, right, Yeah,
everyone had extremely strong thoughts and opinions and instincts, right,
but it was never you were not in trouble for
(18:29):
having that. You were more in trouble if you didn't
have that, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
That's true, right, And I think that's an amazing kind
of specialness of our show.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And I think that when you and I reminisce sometimes
in your trailer when you have a down moment, which
is never and talk about fights or major drama situations
on the show, those were as good to talk They're
as good to think about in hindsight as the.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
High Absolutely, I think that's part of the reason for
the success is.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Because at the moment, yeah, it's right.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right at the moment. It's kind of tiring.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You can wear yourself out with the dramas. But the
dramas happened because everyone felt so strongly, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, the passion of it. Yeah, when you look back
now you're like, Okay, that's horrible when I was getting
screamed at in front of the crew, But now I
find it fascinating. Let's dis say it and talk about it.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Definitely, definitely, And I feel like also it's the thing
of like, you know, everyone involved was so incredibly smart
about their own area. Like I was just looking at
the credits for this one of six, and I ever
thought about Jeremy Conway.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Whereber Jeremy, I.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Do who went on to do the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
The Olympics, I know, because he's brilliant, Like our show
would not still exist and look like it does if
Jeremy hadn't been our production designer. You know, he was
just super super brilliant and cared about all the little
details and would come talk to me.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I remember, even back.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I mean we had no you remember, in the beginning,
we had no producer credit whatsoever. But I remember everyone
would include us, you know, with the exception occasionally of directors,
which then we would have to go above their heads.
But if they didn't understand that we were an integral
part of the decision making process and we're.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Just so lucky with the title, but you were.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
We were, And that's so special and unique, you know,
to have for actors, much less actresses, right to be
thought of like, oh, this person is an integral part
of this production, and she has a say in how
her house looks, how her apartment looks, how her clothes looks.
You know, what art would she have? What art wouldn't
she have? Like it was so collaborative.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I remember Sarah Jessica with Sabrina Wright, who was like
five generation props yep, picking out what magazines would be
on that table in that apartment.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That's right, like that level of detail. I remember me
sending Sabrina what wedding rings I wanted, Oh wow, and
making her get them from Kathy Waterman, who happened to
be in Los Angeles. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes? I do. Is there anything that you because we
reminisce and you're watching the older episode, do you have
a memento that you framed at home?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't have that.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You have that you is sacred and that you know,
I know, you know, being framed. What if she have
framed it's some kind of poeme.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh, that's nice. I don't think I knew that. I
should ask her about that. What do you have framed?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Okay? This, this won't get us in trouble.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay, you know talking.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
About talking about passionate thing moments. There's a moment you
know when when people do not want you to wear something,
or anyone to wear something, and they it will ruin
their dialogue or it will take away from the scene.
They can go wild in the office, try to tell
(22:06):
you their point. This is why she should not wear this.
I have a torn picture of you guys. It's torn
from Michael King. They're never wearing this, oh my gosh.
And I showed it to him one time and he
just thought it was so funny that I can't and.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
What were we wearing? And did we wear it? No,
it's not going to get us in trouble.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
No, it's a funny passionate like did we wear it?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Who won that argument?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
No, he brought up in when I talked to him,
he brought up that he had said no to the
fisace millful and then yeah, that he had initially said no,
and that then he had really learned like no, no,
because his thing was, well, why would she be wearing it? Right?
Because you know how he's literal because he's writing right,
like it's a different job. And then he says, you know,
(23:01):
it really taught me that you don't always have to
have a reason. You know that it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Incredible, right, I never do that. That's such a good
behind the scenes. I never knew that he was like
anti that.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I think it was anti that for in the hotel room,
like how would she have gotten it there? You know,
like practical?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Right, he's very good. I remember Pat explaining why she
borrowed it when she was there, right, why is in
her closet? And where she keeps it?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We have no idea, right, right, exactly right?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I think it's in a box.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Doesn't she get it back out of a box when
she needs it?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You have to kind of stretch your imagination there, right.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
But that's okay because it was part of what our show,
Like it was like the you know, the like building
blocks of our show. I feel like, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And I love about him and all of you too
as producers that you if you consider something and you're
against it and then you've slept on it and you've
changed your mind and you correct it, you will you
correct yourselves. You're not You're like, I thought about that
(24:15):
wrong and I think you're right, But I'm not gonna
wear that bang, pat Well.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I think some of that is from the history too,
like like in the beginning, because when I look back
on these early episodes, to me, I seem like like
a floppy puppy or like a little child or something
like I look so young, and I seem so like
out of my element almost, you know, like the rest
of them seem so sophisticated, and I feel like I'm like, right,
(24:42):
you know, but I remember.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I just remember that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like, and I'm also wearing weird clothes, like like.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I think I went shopping.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I don't know this is.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I think those are weird.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I see them, right, What are they?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I tell you that's where we went.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
We they're Bloomingdale's. I think they're either Bloomingdales or that
I went somewhere and bought something and was like, hey,
can I wear this? You know, which I think is
why Darren then took me to dinner to say, listen,
you have to let Pat dress you because she can
dress you better than you can. And I was like, okay,
I'm sure she can. I just need to understand what
we're doing and that I can do it. I needed
(25:20):
so much confidence like built up in me that I
could actually wear the things that I perceived as being
what people in Vogue were like. I just had trouble
making that leap myself, you know. So it took some time,
and it took some time for Pat and I to
find our way to each other in terms of, like,
you know, she was trying to accentuate the part of
(25:43):
my body that I've been trying to hide, which was
my hips in my butt, but at the same time
she sometimes would you know, kind of slightly criticize them.
So it was very confusing to me, as you know,
because you were there.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That's not an easy thing to do in front of
the dressing room mirror, you know what I mean, when
you're comfortable and we all have those parts of us
that were like, no, I'm camouflaging that, this is whatever stopped. Yeah,
So yeah, it's it's it's interesting that you you uh,
you had a journey.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Oh my god, big time, such a journey, such a journey,
and it continues, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
You know, maybe that's what is weird. A little bit
about your clothes. Maybe they're in the early early days,
Uh huh, they've got that little touch of West, you know,
like definitely needed to be sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You were in Manhattan, definitely, and I definitely. I mean,
I just see that there's some kind of of lack
of clarity. And also I think also what you're reminding
me of is that we didn't have the budget, we
didn't have the ability to borrow, so so you know,
we haven't gotten there yet. But also I don't even
(26:58):
know what I what I would have wanted. Like the
first time that I remember feeling great, and I don't
know what episode this is is when I was wearing
this black dress with the you know it's got like
like panels down it. Oh you know what else I love?
And I also don't know if this first your second season.
Do you remember that time at the gallery where Willie's
there and all of us are there and Pat convinced
(27:20):
me to have a high pony with a hair piece,
so it's really long ponytail. And she put me in
diamond hoop ear rings, which literally I never wear.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Oh, I want to see this so bad.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And I feel like I might have a turtleneck kind
of a sheath on, you know, like some kind of
pretty sophisticated thing for me.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
For Charlotte that sounds very gallery.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It was very gallery, and I feel like I might
even have a red lip on. All kind of shocking elements. Right,
I'm sitting, but it's good. It's good, and I remember
moments like that early on where things came together and
I think for me, and I'm sure she was probably
just cursing me right at this point, but like for me,
I just had to find my way to it, like
(28:02):
who is this woman? Because as we've discussed with Michael
and everybody else, really nobody knew who Charlotte was in
the beginning, which is why they tried to demote me,
you know, to recurring or whatever. And thank goodness I
didn't let them. Oh that, Oh baby, you got to
listen to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No I will. I've been catching backs and snippets because
I love these stories.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I know, because no one knows all the stories that's
the fun that's the funny.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Because you have seen them in such a while is
also a great thing.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh yeah, oh, I haven't seen them in twenty something
twenty five years. Because for me, like if they were
on E which was the first time they got syndicated,
I feel like, you know, it was like, first of all,
it was toned down because they'd edded so much out,
and second of all, it was living in the past,
and I felt like, well, I don't want to live
in the past. I want to live now because partly
we were still doing the show, and we were doing
(28:49):
the movies and you know, doing other things obviously, and
now because it is so incredibly long ago, it's amazing
to watch it. But it is a little bit like
there therapy, I have to say, like it is a
little bit like wow, like I need to really think
about my own journey.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Right, Like that is a lot of chronicling, you know,
so much of a journey for sure.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
But I love it and I love that we can
all be on record together about our experience.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, I'm so glad you're getting everybody to come in
and discuss everything with you.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
We're not all the way there, yet, but having you
has been amazing. I was like, we got to get Molly.
We got to get Molly.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Thank you so much. And you said when you texted me,
we won't have any problem finding something to talk about.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
As we never do, as we never do. Okay, Mollie Rogers,
thank you for joining us. I love you so much.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Thank you for having It was so much fun. Let's
do it again.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Let's do it again. Hey, how do you feel.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
About actually rewatching?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Cool, I mean we don't have to do it live together,
but like you can watch and then let's write about
our thoughts or what we remember.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Hilarious.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Oh my god, I forgot to ask your bus and
it's so important. I'm gonna take my glasses off for this.
I gotta ask her about the naked dress. The naked dress,
Well do I know the answer?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
What about the naked dress?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Was the dress that she wears in the show and
the dress that ends up on the bus.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Do you remember the bus?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Is this the billboard that is on the bus and
that someone draws graffiti of a personal part? And yeah, yes,
and it's in the In the she's wearing the tutu
when she sees the bus obviously in the opening credits,
but in the show it's a story point. She's doing
a photo shoot for her column and she's wearing this
DK and Y and or Donna, Karen Proper, I'm not
(30:54):
sure which. It's a nude colored dress. It's very nineties,
and and she comes she shows up. We're all there
for moral supports. It's her first date with Big, and
she comes out and I'm like, oh, like you can tell.
Charlie's like somewhat mortified that this is what she's wearing.
And Amanda says, uh, it's tits on toast, which is
(31:18):
really funny. And she's like, is it too much? And
Samantha's like, it's fabulous, darling. And then she wears it.
And she walks out and sees Big on the street
with the fur coat, and he goes, interesting dress, and
she goes meaning and he says interesting dress, and I'm
(31:39):
just like, what a jerk. Like sometimes I look back
on Big and I'm like, wow, yeah, he's kind of
a jerk. Yeah, you know, but some lines, I mean, right, gosh.
Then they get in the car and they make out
because it's like this naked dress, and I guess she
felt like what interesting dress is a compliment or whatever.
(31:59):
I don't know, but do you remember this dress?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I do, and I want to remind you and you'll go, oh, yeah,
that's right. First of all, it's in her storage because
I touched.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It last year, your Way.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
It's in tissue and I was like, what.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It has plastic string, not like a plastic like a whatever,
plastic bra strap where you're trying to hide. You know
that it's it's a little fishing wire.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Now here is the original continuity photo. Remember when we
olaroids and yes and wrote it all by hand.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh my gosh, will you send that to me?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I will? It says dress and Pat describes it naked,
g string, beige, Cosabella. Oh yeah, that's all your Manolo beige,
actor's own a purse, snake skin long, actor's own coat,
(33:02):
vintage for earrings studs.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Wow, adorable.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
And you somebody took a picture of her on set. Yeah,
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, I know they have a hole.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
She she's in the apartment with us, and she goes
out onto the street.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Then they're in the cab.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Then it's this big. It's like a notepad.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I mean, it is interestingly naked. In terms of what's
going on up top, I hadn't really remembered all of it.
I was like, Wow, it's quite something.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
It's bold, it's in storage, it's in tis.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
She Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I cannot wait until she has the retrospective show in
the future. It's going to be quite something.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I've got a lot of great pictures she can have
of you for that show, for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Really, I do send them to me.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Send them, take pictures of the pictures and send them
to me.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I might send you the most shocking one I have
in a fitting and you will not believe what you
actually tried on you. Wow, take a alcacette, sir. Yeah,
I need to see it.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I need to see it.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
One of my favorite favorite I have a stack of
photos myself of when we're trying to find the Vera
Wang wedding dress for the Kyle wedding, the Trey wedding,
and we went to Vera Wang a few times. Do
you remember this. I mean we must have put on
thirty dresses and we took polaroids of all of them
because we had to get everybody to agree, which was
so difficult. Do you remember. And there's one where Pat
(34:41):
is literally under my skirt. She's completely hidden, her little
feet are picking out, she's doing something under there, and
I'm just standing there because it was so normal and it's.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Really remember yeah, yesterday, me too. I remember being at
badgely Mishka.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
That was for the second, for the hairy wedding.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I have a lot of those fitting photos of those.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yay, I don't have those. Let's share our photos.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Molly, I will okay, see you soon.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Love you,
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Kristin Davis
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