April 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down with Carolina to get all the details on her “Bachelor” experience! We kick off the episode with her journey to the show. From her dating life prior to applying to those first moments out of the limo, she’s telling all! Then, we dive into the peaks and valleys of her connection with Grant — the emotions were flowing and we’re getting all the details. We then discuss all the drama Carolina faced this season, starting with the infamous kiss during the R&B group date. What was the Rose situation from her perspective? She’s telling us everything! Tune in now for part one and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, every well, welcome back to beat Your Happy Hour.
I'm Jell and I'm Serena, and we are here today
with our guests from Grant season. Carolina, Welcome to Batler
Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Thank you guys. How are you good? How are you
all as well?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
All as well?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Where you were? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Now that the season's finally officially done.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, all right, where should we?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Let's start because you haven't been on our podcast, so
we haven't had a chance to talk to you during
the season. Let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Okay, how did you get on the show?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I got on the show because I saw it's funny,
because my friend my best friends always wanted me to
go on the show. We've always watched the show and
they're all married and I'm the one that's not. But
I always figured like applying would be such a hassle
and nothing would get.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Red, Like it just seems like this long form. And
I saw this.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Like a sponsored ad on Instagram and it was a
casting person saying like, oh, let me know if you
want to, So I just DMed him, did not expect
anything from it, and it just moved super quickly.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Wow, where do.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
You Where do you live? Okay, so you go, you
go on, you go on the show, you cast it.
What are your initial thoughts? Are you excited, nervous, hesitant
at all?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So I was excited.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I felt like, you know, it felt like a right fit.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It felt like Grant would be a good match with me.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I knew that he had lived, he had played basketball
in Puerto Rico and the d R, so I knew
that he had that in him. And I watched one
of his interviews on the File Files and I was like, oh,
he seems really emotionally intelligent. Like if I don't know
if you guys can tell, but I'm a very anxious person.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
And it felt like I felt at ease. Sorry, I
kind of yapped a little bit there.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's a podcast, yep, yep, all you want. You felt
at at ease because you thought Grant, you and Grant
would mesh well.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I felt that we would mesh well, and I felt
that me and production would mesh well.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It just felt it just felt like harmonious.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I don't know, No, that's a good word for it.
So going onto the show, what is your dating history
and where are you at kind of in your your
dating life, your journey and hearing The Bachelor.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
So I had only had two serious relationships prior to
the show. One of them was like the healthy kind
of love when I was younger, and it was like
a few years and it didn't work out, but it
wasn't anything negative or traumatizing or anything bad.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And then my second serious.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Relationship was the DJ that I mentioned that everyone seemed
to think was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And that one was pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
But I learned a lot about what I wanted, what
I don't want. And sounds super cheesy to say, but
I don't know if you guys have heard this, but
I've always heard that typically you have like three loves
in your life. You have like the puppy love, the
one that gives you the heartbreak and the lessons, and
then you find your person. And I just felt really
ready for that. Yeah, so that's kind of where I
(03:15):
was at.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, nice, And then what are your initial thoughts stepping
out of the limo and seeing Grant in person for
the first time.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So everyone had asked me, like, are you nervous?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I was like, no, I got this in the bag,
Like I'm gonna be confident, it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, I got so nervous.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I knew that my little bit was going to be
like in Spanish, but I didn't think it all the
way through because I thought he was going to be
like laughing at me because he didn't get it. But
I think he wanted to be respectful so he was
like but I could tell that the joke wasn't landing,
you know, and I'm like, oh my god, like he
hate for your boy home.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah it was. It was awkward, but we made it through.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It didn't Watching it watching it as an audience member
did didn't feel awkward. But we also had subtitles, so
I felt like viewing it were like in on the
joke with you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, I think I also like said the same thing twice.
Maybe with the subtitles you can't tell.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But wait, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
That's okay, my dogs are deciding to not behave right
now one sec.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
This is not the first puppy interruption we have had.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean I used to podcast with her dog
interrupted us every time. Okay, okay, our grant was physically
is he your type?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well I okay, I don't really have a type because
you if you if you look at my dating history,
like everyone looks super different, but I thought it was
really attractive.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Okay, that's good. Okay, that's gonna start.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And then walk us through your first conversation with him
night one.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It was really sweet.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Uh I Also I still felt awkward though.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You're not used to dating someone on camera, so.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You have like these like bright lights on you, and
it's like you feel like you know a little bit
about this person that they know nothing about you, and
you know how you don't know how much you want
to share. You don't want to get too deep on
night one, and it was never my intention to tear
up on night one, but our conversation just started flowing.
And you know, my dad had just recently gone through
(05:23):
a health scare and that's why that was really heavy
on my mind.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And it was just really sweet.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And so you your first conversation, you felt like, well,
what went well? It's obviously the most overwhelming is night wine.
You know, camera's lights. It's like kind of a jarring experience,
and obviously you got but I was in my head. Sorry, no,
it's okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Was so in my head. I was so in my head.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I was like because you see the sweet moments, but
there was definitely like a you know where someone's like, so, like, what.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Are your hobbies?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
And you're like, oh, this is not going well. Like
when you have to ask that, it's like that you
like filler question. You're like, he hates me. I'm going home.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So yeah, I think a lot of people feel that way,
Like I mean, I was in my head constantly on
that show.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, but that's interesting to hear because I feel like
watching Night One back it. You know, if we were
to name a couple of people that seemed to have
like a really good first conversation, it seemed very natural,
but you felt like you were like, oh my gosh,
I don't know how that went. Maybe I'm going home tonight.
Did you feel confident you're getting a risk?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And by the way, by the way people are saying like,
she's so dramatic, she's like shaking. I wasn't shaking of
nerves though it was really cold, but I did feel
that way on the inside. I'm like, like, my I
my name wasn't called into like the middle, which is
so dramatic of me to already be assuming that I'm
just going home, but I was like, it's not me,
it's not me, Like it's just not happening.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Okay, so let's jump to I forgot, you know, I
forgot exactly the group date, but it was the group
date where you danced with Grant, and I feel like
that's kind of that was kind of the start, yeah,
of everything for you. Ye okay, okay, So just in
the moment and like right after, how did you feel
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that interaction or that moment went with Grant?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
With Grant, I thought it was great, Like the dancing portion,
we were just like talking and laughing the whole time,
like because I didn't know what I was doing, and
it was really sweet, and yeah, we just had a
lot of fun, and I finally felt like I really
clicked with him, like I still had. I was still
in my head about the first night because the first time,
you're really just trying to like not get sent home
(07:40):
because you know that you're not gonna be able to
establish that strong.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Connection right away. So it's kind of like I did.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I felt like if I got sent home night one,
it would have sucked because he didn't know the real.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Me, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like at that point, I was like, Okay, we're really
building something and he's seeing like who I really am.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
So you're starting to feel more secure in the relationship
and ship probably also.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah, And I just think that, like I was so
nervous in like day one, and this time we were
just having fun, so I felt more at ease.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay, So then while he was dancing with you, he
was thinking of Rose, let's let's let's talk about now
we need to talk about that, because that was probably
I would that was like the biggest storyline of the show.
I mean, we've talked, can we go?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Can't we back to rock real quick?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I want to. I want. I just wanted to be
known that the crowd was screaming kiss, Kiss, Kiss, So
to me, it really felt like like it's like a performance,
like we're having like we're joking with it, we're having fun.
And that is why I felt so bad, because I
was like, it felt like we were all such great friends.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Up until this point.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And I just remember even from night one, everyone was
talking about how they kissed him and what and it
felt like it was just like girly pop chat, like
no one's that invested yet.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And I was insecure because I didn't kiss him.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And so I was just like whatever, like we're having fun.
It's like it's like I meant it, but it was
like a performative like it was you know, so I
that it. That's kind of why I felt so bad
after the fact, because it was like wait oh, like.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Oops, yeah, you kissed him in front of the entire group.
But also like, but.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
When a crowd is chanting kiss kids, like what do
you do? No, like stay shy and not do it, like.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And it happens every season, Like You're not the first
girl to kiss him in front of the rest of
the girls at a group date.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, I will say, and I can admit the straddling
was a lot, but I will in my defense and
I am sorry to everyone. I remember when I was
with him from night one, I was like, I don't
know how I'm ever going to kiss this guy because
my dresses are tight and like I'm never like I'm
like awkwardly, like it felt like this is like I'm
wearing pants. This is the one time I could get
(10:00):
comfortable to kiss him, because that was another thing that
I was so terrified of kissing him on camera and
it being so awkward.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So yeah, because you were like in a little mini
like and.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
A little and like he's so tall, and you're like
you're like, you know, like it's just.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, okay, so okay, so let's talk about like, give.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Let's talk about the night portion of that date. Yeah,
so we go to the night portion. Energy is a
little off. You've kissed him, you've had a little extra
dance time, the girls are not feeling so hot. Tell
us how that night unfolded for you.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
So, right after we danced, I had noticed that the
girls seemed like off, but I thought everyone was tired
or I was getting like I tried my very best
throughout this whole process to not make assumptions, so I
was like, maybe they're just like tired, and I get it,
like I'm tired too, and they were just ding there
(11:00):
for a while, like at least I had like the
adrenaline going up like dancing, so you know, I did
pick up on that, But then it felt like everything
was fine. You know, we go we change and I
had I was only with one girl and she was
happy and seemed normal. So like walking in, I didn't
realize that anything was off, Like I felt like walking in,
everyone looked fine.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Again and like re energize or rejuvenate or I don't
know what word I'm looking for.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So that's why I was like, wait, so you guys
are frustrated, Like.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Did they say yes to that? Were they like we are?
And did you guys talk about it?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Well, that's also where my frustration comes in. There was
one comment that was made that was like, yeah, we
are frustrated, but like because we all tried so hard,
but see, we're such great friends that we didn't make
you feel like we were.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And for someone to say that, I was.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Like, well, then let me tell you that you're a
great like you're kind of like backtracking and by letting
me know that you're not making me feel bad, like
do you want me to give you like brownie points
for that? And that was where I felt that, like, oh, okay, damn,
this is gonna be a conversation that keeps happening all
throughout the night because that's what it seemed like, and
(12:19):
people were coming back from their conversations with him saying like, yep,
we talked about that, and so that's why I was like,
why is everyone like focusing on me?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like I really am sorry.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
I didn't mean to hurt anyone, but also we knew
that it was a competition and that someone was gonna
win the time, Like, it wasn't like he decided to
not give somebody else attention. It was like we we
knew it was a competition and so someone had to win.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, so address that.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, And to be honest, I don't think like I
left that night thinking that we were good like I did.
Not to me didn't feel as dramatic from the group
as it did from one person. So I thought it
was one person that started the train of the conversations
going a certain direction, and it felt like it was
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all like we were all over it by the next day.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So do you feel like that night the frustration was
more about the situation or do you feel like it
was really about you? And where did you feel like
your relationship with the girls stood kind of leaving that night.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Leaving that night, I felt awkward, but it didn't feel
like it was the start of.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Drama like I think.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
They were felt like it was like a tough night,
but like, yeah, we're gonna move past this.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It felt like the girls were saying like, look, we
were forced to watch you do that, But we're not
going to like really hold it against you, like, yeah,
it sucked, but you know, it seemed like we were fine.
So my frustration was more about one girl starting a
train of like, damn, does this completely invalidate like all
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the good time that I just had, Like I want
us all to be support Like, I'm not always going
to win the competition, so I want to be able
to be happy for the person that wins the next time,
because that's how competition is.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
So it was like, your feelings are valid, but it's
also like, oh, like that sucks.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
You know. She also had said on the way there
that if there was any drama that we should try
to address it with each other because of what had
happened with the basketball date, rather than bring it.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Up with Grant. I was like, that's a great plan.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So it felt kind of like, wait, so you said
this and then you're like dragging me into something.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I don't know. It just felt icky.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, your hope was that everything could get resolved amongst
the girls and not have Grant get involved.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, that was always the goal for me. Oops.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Okay, so let's now jump to what was the It
really seemed like the story of the season, which was
the conversation that happened off camera with you and Rose
and Roseta. Correct.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Latia wasn't in the first part of that conversation, Okay,
when he when he's when she said what Grant said?
It was me, Rose and Dina in the room.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Okay, do you want to walk us through that conversation?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Sure? I was expressing to them because we had all
already discussed so Rose. Rose had already told me that
Grant did the exact same thing for her and for Latia.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
On the finance date.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
So we were kind of like, how much of this
is Grant versus how much of this is forced on
him to do certain things? But then how much is
real and how much can we trust?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Wait by exact same thing. What are you referring to?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't know what it was because they never even
aired it, but I guess he like did like some
grand gesture for.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Them, like on their one on one time during night.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
On the on the on the either the basketball date
or the financing I don't I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, so finance because they were yeah, so you So.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
You guys are kind of piecing together in this moment,
like Grant is saying and doing some of the same
things for all of us, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
For them too. And I had just gotten back.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
From my one on one and we were just kind
of like, so, how much, like we know, we signed
up for a TV show, but like what is real
and what's like performative and how much of that is
his choice?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And like how much you know?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
And I mean on my one on one, Grant said.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
A lot.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
And you have to keep in mind that, like, for
me opening up the way that I did, that's not
something that I talk about with anyone. Like I knew
that I was going to open up for not just him,
but for the world, and it was only something that
I was willing to do if I felt really good
about him in the moment, because it is really scary
(17:00):
for me. And we can talk about that some more
later if you want. But but you know, I have
this like amazing date and the guy is super into me,
it seems. And unfortunately, once I finish my epilepsy story,
it like wraps up like that and it's like you
gotta go, and I'm like, wait, but what about you?
Like I want to know you, I want to know
more about your story, I want to like connect more.
(17:23):
And I also don't want it to come across as
if I'm ungrateful, Like the plane is great, the jumping
out of something is great. But I even told him
like this isn't real life, Like I want to have
more conversations with you. That's all I can really care about.
And so we didn't have the time to do that.
And then I get back home. Sorry, I feel like
I'm literally going in circles again.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
No, no, you're just tell you tell your story. But
let's yeah, okay. So then going back to the conversation,
after you're one on one, you have a conversation with Rose,
things are said, can you kind of break down that
situation for us?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, so Rose that told me that granted the exact
same thing for her.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
In Latia, and you know, he he.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Was saying a lot to me.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
On my one on one I'm piecing it all together
because in the moment when you're living it, you're kind
of like so happy, and then you haven't really processed.
So I'm processing all of this in real time with Rose,
who was telling me, you know, he did the same
thing for Latilla, and then he was he was also
(18:33):
saying a lot to Dina and we were both like damn,
like like.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
This is crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And I will say she did say should we keep
going or are we gonna hurt each other?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And I was like, no, let's like let's help each other, like.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Not fall for any anything, you know, like if this
guy's like playing us, tell me.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't think that Rose just pulled that out of
thin air.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I think she really thought he said that, and it
was obviously very concerning and it's not something that I
can let slide, like if this guy is just respecting
me like that, I don't want to be a part
of it. And I really really didn't want to get
her involved in the drama. I tried my best. I
feel really bad that I did. I tried to protect
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her identity. And when I left my conversation with Grant,
it felt like, I mean, that's another thing. He told
me he wasn't going to look into it. He told
me he was gonna he told me I'm gonna protect you.
I'm not going to look into it because I told him,
I know you're probably frustrated. We can discuss it later
on if you really need to. I promise you this
person has no bad intentions. She's not just you know,
it was just miscommunication.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And I was telling him.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I was coming at him from a place of you're
doing a lot and saying a lot to a lot
of people, even to me. And I even told him
because I was still trying to protect him. I was like,
you whispered something in my ear during our one on one.
I didn't even want to repeat it on camera to
protect him, but you're doing a lot, and I need
I need to be able to trust you. And I'm
kind of you know, and I felt so good and
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so like, Wow, that's a man. When he's like, you're fine,
I'm gonna protect you. I'm not going to look into
it like it's fine. I was like, oh that is,
like that's hot, Okay, I'm sold. And you know, then
he comes and finds me, apologizes for going to Rose
because he figured it out, and I'm like, damn, Like
I'm frustrated, but I get why you had to do it.
I just wish the next time you could like tell
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me ahead of time before you drag me into it.
Like and then I come back in the house and
minutes later, Chloe's crying because he told her about the drama.
And now the whole house knows, and so not only
did he make a promise that he couldn't keep and
went to Rose, he now brought it to the entire house,
knowing that I was really scared that it would lead
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to drama.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So I was really disappointed.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Okay, So but when you left that conversation with Rose,
what was agreed upon between both of you was it was?
It was there no understanding. Did you say like, hey,
I won't repeat this, You won't repeat this?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
No? Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So what so so.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
We we kind of mad made jokes like oh, we're
going to protect each other, and like Dina and Rose
like giggled and I tried giggling too, but it really
was still sitting with me. It was a pit in
my stomach feeling. And had I told her that I.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Wasn't going to repeat it, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I would never like my word means everything to me,
and I remember thinking like, I hope she doesn't ask
me to not bring it up, because I don't know
how to move forward without it. And I was like,
I need to sit with it and think about how
I can not betray her but still find the answers
that I need. And I went to bed, trying to
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like pretend that everything was fine, but it wasn't. In
the next morning, you can ask anyone like I really
had like a pit.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
In my stomach feeling.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I was like, like I was so anxious, you know,
I thought I was just gonna go home.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Because I believed her.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Looking back on that night specifically, is there anything you
wish you had done differently? And is there anything you
wish Grant had done differently that you feel like could
have allowed the situation to unfold in a better way.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I wish Grant had stuck to had stuck to his word.
I wish Grant had you know. My frustration with Grant
is like, don't make promises you can't keep. Like if
he had just told me, hey, I need to address
it with Rose, we could have both gone and addressed
it with her.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think, I mean, I do feel really bad.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I feel really really bad that Rose was dragged into it.
I really tried to protect her. I thought I did
a good enough job. Like I walked away from that
conversation thinking he doesn't know who it is. When he's
listing names, I'm like, no, what's stop? Because I didn't
want him to. There's there's a moment when someone says like,
is it this person? You're like, I'm not going to
tell you. It kind of sounds like you are. And
(23:07):
I definitely didn't want to like attribute it to someone
who wasn't it. But I'm like, no, what's stop right now?
Like I didn't want him to keep going down the list.
And I also didn't realize that there were two people
that had been on that date who had already left.
So in the moment, I think in my head, I'm
picturing the date and I'm thinking there's still other people
(23:27):
that it could have been. It just felt like he
doesn't know and he's okay with it, and I'm walking
away with it with the resolution that I needed. And
I didn't let my friend down, And you know that
was that.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So I do wish sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Looking back on it now, do you wish you would
have told Rose like, hey, this is affecting me and
if I talked to Grant, I may bring it up.
Do you wish you would have given her that heads up?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I I wish no. I wish I could have done
a better job of protecting her. I felt like if
I told her that I wanted to bring it up.
She would have asked me not to, and again, I
can't commit to something and then not follow through. So
I wouldn't have been able to tell her I won't
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do it.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And then do it anyway, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And I was just I really really wanted to protect
her and I didn't want to stress her out and
have everything it's going to get back to me, Like,
you know, I thought I was gonna be able to
pull it off.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I really did so world it would have been like,
bring it to Grant and it ends there, like you
have your one conversation with Grant and like Rose's name
never gets brought up, and you guys like air it
out well initially and then it's done.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Initially, I was so confident that what she said was
right that I was gonna like walk up to him
and be like I'm done, Like I'm not even discussing it,
like I want to leave this show right now.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm over it.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But then I let it sit with me, and I
was like, I'm I'm thinking it all through, and I'm like,
I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And what I'm assuming might have happened is he.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
May have said it in a way to like pacify
the situation from that group day where everyone was upset.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
But what I was letting him know.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Was, if it is me at the end of all
of this, I don't want to watch it back and
be humiliated. And I said those exact words to him.
If you did say this, even if you didn't mean it,
even if even if now you feel different because now
you're more into me or whatever it is, like, I
(25:40):
don't want to watch his back and be humiliated. I
want a man that like stands by his word and
doesn't have to like bring me down to lift someone
else up. But I also thought maybe he didn't mention
my name, Maybe he was just trying to you know,
so in giving him that benefit of the doubt, that's
kind of like all I wanted to do, and and
I hope that that's.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Not what he had said.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
What do you believe? What do you believe?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
What do you think really happened? Do you think he
said it or you.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I don't think he mentioned my name from from what
we saw, okay and that clip. But I do think
that Rose was valid in thinking what she did because
he's saying I'm not gonna lie like I was thinking
about you, and it kind of sounds like like, oh, like,
I'm not going to pretend that I wasn't too her
because I was thinking about you.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I well, I don't know. That's that's very different. Like
if if Grant said like I was thinking about you
on the date, that's very different from saying I was
thinking about you while I was dancing with Carolina, like
those are.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But I feel like watching the clip, I can.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I see both sides should happen.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I see both sides, and that's what I wanted to believe,
And I was like, I can see both sides. But
I also think that Grant is saying weird things to
too many people, and I'm just trying to tell him, like,
you can do things and reassure other people without doing
too much and being disrespectful.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And that's what I really wanted to clear the air with.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Do you feel like you had a sense of anxiety
or paranoia about the way Grant was moving after this
incident with Rose?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Absolutely? Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I it's frustrating because Rose wasn't mad at me that night.
She was mad at him, and she came crying to
me and we talked about it in the room, and
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
She changed her story.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Later and wasn't mad at you. After No found out
you said that to Grant, she was fine.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
No, she came to me like, no, she wasn't fine.
She was crying.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
But we went up to her room to talk about it.
I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry whatever,
and she's like, no, like I don't even know if
I want to be here. So it was kind of
like both of us like talking about him, and I
was like, oh damn. And that's already a red flag
for me too, because it's kind of like if you're
not treating rosewell and if you're not treating the other
(27:59):
women well, and like why, Like that's still a red
flag for me, right, Like I want a guy who's
gonna be respectful to everyone. There was just a lot
going on in my mind that I was just like,
can I trust this guy?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And I was crucified for.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That, So I was gonna say so I was, yeah,
jumping from Rose because we kind of see that unfold
and then we see Rose goes home the following week.
Let's move on to your conversation with Juliana. Can you
just walk us through, you know, Juliana pulls you outside.
(28:33):
It seems like you are unassuming of like what is
about to happen, what she's pulling you aside for, and
we see she wants to a dress. Kind of your
behavior in the house and how it's affecting the other women.
Were you surprised by this conversation or did you have
a sense of like there was turmoil in the house
(28:56):
surrounding your relationships a little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I was surprised about the topic of the conversation. I
was not surprised that Juliana was trying to stow the pod,
which is why I was like trying to shut it down.
I was like, you're not gonna catch me fighting another
woman on TV. Like I was just like this, I'm bored,
Like I I don't want to be a part of this.
(29:23):
She said, I believe on your podcast that she lost
her pool when the Rose situation happened, and she did
so after the Rose situation. Juliana came at Rose while
Rose was already crying right after that Rose ceremony, and
she's like, in front of everyone, she's calling her out
like she should have like talked to her grant directly.
Blah blah blah, and I had to step in and
(29:43):
defend Rose and be like, if anything, blame me, but like,
why are we doing this. Let's not fight with women
like it's it's gonna be fine, Like let's move on.
So you know, I never had like a friendship with Juliana,
so when she told me, I was like, Okay, what's
this going to be about? And yeah, it just felt
(30:04):
like it was performative. I feel like at the hotel
we could have talked about it. We could have had
a civil conversation the same way that we me and
Rose did. We didn't want me and Rose didn't feel
like we were trying to create drama for a TV show.
It felt like we were friends. And with Juliana, I
was like, you you couldn't I've told her this. I
was like, you could have addressed this at the hotel.
(30:25):
You don't have to be doing this like for show.
And the way that she approached it is she comes
up to me and she's like, I'm just going to
keep it real because we've been talking shit about you
and I just want you to know before it airs.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So that's why I'm like, okay, so.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
What is your question? Like I don't even know you're
not trying to have a conversation with me. You're trying
to I don't know if it's like a cert dominance
or have like this hero like arc or something that
you're protecting grant.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I don't. It just felt like it came out of
left field, and.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I and her sayecause I remember that, I remember that
conversation and being like, what did we just watch? Like
what was And I just.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Didn't understand because you also watch it with the interviews,
so you know what they're saying or they're thinking going
into it. But like when she's coming at me and
saying that they're talking about me, I'm like, about what like?
And then she's like, well, you have like doubts about
(31:26):
being here, and I'm like, well, the thing is like
and you guys know how this works.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
In the real world.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You don't talk about you don't talk about your relationship
with the guy with the same girls that are dating him.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
But here we have to write.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
And so I was like, how am I being negative
by being neutral by saying I do like him, but
I still have questions.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I still need to get to know him more.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I still like I feel like that's always been a
part of the show, like we've always part of the
show is struggling with getting to know the guy while
he's still spending time.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
With other women.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
And and it was like, what do you mean, I'm negative?
Like what is I wasn't seeing like where was coming from.
So I just didn't understand it.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, it seemed like a lot of the women were
under the It was just like Carolina has gotten time
with him, and she's not appreciative, and she's complaining and
doesn't want to be here or doesn't think this is working. Meanwhile,
(32:26):
none of us have time, have gotten time, right, Like
that was kind of.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The general argument.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Way, Yeah, but I think anything that well, I just
think that like just like Grant didn't know who he
wanted to be with, and that's fair, Like it seems
so like, I don't know, like embarrassing anti like anti
feminists to be like I'm going to bow down to
this man because he's the bachelor and have no doubts
(32:54):
about him because he's the bachelor. So like I at
this moment, I remember asking Juliana, I was like, so
you mean to tell me that if he proposed to you,
you can absolutely say that you will say yes, And
she's like yeah, and I'm like, well, then I'm sad
for you because you haven't even been on a one
on one So how can you know that you want
to be with the guy? Like, I don't think you know.
(33:15):
It's it's a whole process, and even that whole process
is really short. It's a short amount of time to
get married, to get engaged to someone.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But like, we still had more time to go.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
So I wasn't saying I hate the guy, I don't
want to be here. I was saying I feel like
I need more time.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay, I think this is
a good place to stop the interview. Everyone, please stay
tuned because we will be doing part two with Carolina.
Thank you for tuning in to Better app Yall.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, and be sure to tune into part two. Thanks
for listening. Bye,
Hey, every well, welcome back to beat Your Happy Hour.
I'm Jell and I'm Serena, and we are here today
with our guests from Grant season. Carolina, Welcome to Batler
Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Thank you guys. How are you good? How are you
all as well?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
All as well?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Where you were? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Now that the season's finally officially done.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, all right, where should we?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Let's start because you haven't been on our podcast, so
we haven't had a chance to talk to you during
the season. Let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Okay, how did you get on the show?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I got on the show because I saw it's funny,
because my friend my best friends always wanted me to
go on the show. We've always watched the show and
they're all married and I'm the one that's not. But
I always figured like applying would be such a hassle
and nothing would get.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Red, Like it just seems like this long form. And
I saw this.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Like a sponsored ad on Instagram and it was a
casting person saying like, oh, let me know if you
want to, So I just DMed him, did not expect
anything from it, and it just moved super quickly.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Wow, where do.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
You Where do you live? Okay, so you go, you
go on, you go on the show, you cast it.
What are your initial thoughts? Are you excited, nervous, hesitant
at all?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So I was excited.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I felt like, you know, it felt like a right fit.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It felt like Grant would be a good match with me.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I knew that he had lived, he had played basketball
in Puerto Rico and the d R, so I knew
that he had that in him. And I watched one
of his interviews on the File Files and I was like, oh,
he seems really emotionally intelligent. Like if I don't know
if you guys can tell, but I'm a very anxious person.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
And it felt like I felt at ease. Sorry, I
kind of yapped a little bit there.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's a podcast, yep, yep, all you want. You felt
at at ease because you thought Grant, you and Grant
would mesh well.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I felt that we would mesh well, and I felt
that me and production would mesh well.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It just felt it just felt like harmonious.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I don't know, No, that's a good word for it.
So going onto the show, what is your dating history
and where are you at kind of in your your
dating life, your journey and hearing The Bachelor.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
So I had only had two serious relationships prior to
the show. One of them was like the healthy kind
of love when I was younger, and it was like
a few years and it didn't work out, but it
wasn't anything negative or traumatizing or anything bad.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And then my second serious.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Relationship was the DJ that I mentioned that everyone seemed
to think was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And that one was pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
But I learned a lot about what I wanted, what
I don't want. And sounds super cheesy to say, but
I don't know if you guys have heard this, but
I've always heard that typically you have like three loves
in your life. You have like the puppy love, the
one that gives you the heartbreak and the lessons, and
then you find your person. And I just felt really
ready for that. Yeah, so that's kind of where I
(03:15):
was at.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, nice, And then what are your initial thoughts stepping
out of the limo and seeing Grant in person for
the first time.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So everyone had asked me, like, are you nervous?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I was like, no, I got this in the bag,
Like I'm gonna be confident, it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, I got so nervous.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I knew that my little bit was going to be
like in Spanish, but I didn't think it all the
way through because I thought he was going to be
like laughing at me because he didn't get it. But
I think he wanted to be respectful so he was
like but I could tell that the joke wasn't landing,
you know, and I'm like, oh my god, like he
hate for your boy home.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah it was. It was awkward, but we made it through.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It didn't Watching it watching it as an audience member
did didn't feel awkward. But we also had subtitles, so
I felt like viewing it were like in on the
joke with you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, I think I also like said the same thing twice.
Maybe with the subtitles you can't tell.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But wait, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
That's okay, my dogs are deciding to not behave right
now one sec.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
This is not the first puppy interruption we have had.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean I used to podcast with her dog
interrupted us every time. Okay, okay, our grant was physically
is he your type?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well I okay, I don't really have a type because
you if you if you look at my dating history,
like everyone looks super different, but I thought it was
really attractive.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Okay, that's good. Okay, that's gonna start.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And then walk us through your first conversation with him
night one.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It was really sweet.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Uh I Also I still felt awkward though.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You're not used to dating someone on camera, so.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You have like these like bright lights on you, and
it's like you feel like you know a little bit
about this person that they know nothing about you, and
you know how you don't know how much you want
to share. You don't want to get too deep on
night one, and it was never my intention to tear
up on night one, but our conversation just started flowing.
And you know, my dad had just recently gone through
(05:23):
a health scare and that's why that was really heavy
on my mind.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And it was just really sweet.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And so you your first conversation, you felt like, well,
what went well? It's obviously the most overwhelming is night wine.
You know, camera's lights. It's like kind of a jarring experience,
and obviously you got but I was in my head. Sorry, no,
it's okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Was so in my head. I was so in my head.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I was like because you see the sweet moments, but
there was definitely like a you know where someone's like, so, like, what.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Are your hobbies?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
And you're like, oh, this is not going well. Like
when you have to ask that, it's like that you
like filler question. You're like, he hates me. I'm going home.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So yeah, I think a lot of people feel that way,
Like I mean, I was in my head constantly on
that show.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, but that's interesting to hear because I feel like
watching Night One back it. You know, if we were
to name a couple of people that seemed to have
like a really good first conversation, it seemed very natural,
but you felt like you were like, oh my gosh,
I don't know how that went. Maybe I'm going home tonight.
Did you feel confident you're getting a risk?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And by the way, by the way people are saying like,
she's so dramatic, she's like shaking. I wasn't shaking of
nerves though it was really cold, but I did feel
that way on the inside. I'm like, like, my I
my name wasn't called into like the middle, which is
so dramatic of me to already be assuming that I'm
just going home, but I was like, it's not me,
it's not me, Like it's just not happening.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Okay, so let's jump to I forgot, you know, I
forgot exactly the group date, but it was the group
date where you danced with Grant, and I feel like
that's kind of that was kind of the start, yeah,
of everything for you. Ye okay, okay, So just in
the moment and like right after, how did you feel
(07:10):
that interaction or that moment went with Grant?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
With Grant, I thought it was great, Like the dancing portion,
we were just like talking and laughing the whole time,
like because I didn't know what I was doing, and
it was really sweet, and yeah, we just had a
lot of fun, and I finally felt like I really
clicked with him, like I still had. I was still
in my head about the first night because the first time,
you're really just trying to like not get sent home
(07:40):
because you know that you're not gonna be able to
establish that strong.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Connection right away. So it's kind of like I did.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I felt like if I got sent home night one,
it would have sucked because he didn't know the real.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Me, if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like at that point, I was like, Okay, we're really
building something and he's seeing like who I really am.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
So you're starting to feel more secure in the relationship
and ship probably also.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah, And I just think that, like I was so
nervous in like day one, and this time we were
just having fun, so I felt more at ease.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay, So then while he was dancing with you, he
was thinking of Rose, let's let's let's talk about now
we need to talk about that, because that was probably
I would that was like the biggest storyline of the show.
I mean, we've talked, can we go?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Can't we back to rock real quick?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I want to. I want. I just wanted to be
known that the crowd was screaming kiss, Kiss, Kiss, So
to me, it really felt like like it's like a performance,
like we're having like we're joking with it, we're having fun.
And that is why I felt so bad, because I
was like, it felt like we were all such great friends.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Up until this point.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And I just remember even from night one, everyone was
talking about how they kissed him and what and it
felt like it was just like girly pop chat, like
no one's that invested yet.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And I was insecure because I didn't kiss him.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And so I was just like whatever, like we're having fun.
It's like it's like I meant it, but it was
like a performative like it was you know, so I
that it. That's kind of why I felt so bad
after the fact, because it was like wait oh, like.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Oops, yeah, you kissed him in front of the entire group.
But also like, but.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
When a crowd is chanting kiss kids, like what do
you do? No, like stay shy and not do it, like.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And it happens every season, Like You're not the first
girl to kiss him in front of the rest of
the girls at a group date.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, I will say, and I can admit the straddling
was a lot, but I will in my defense and
I am sorry to everyone. I remember when I was
with him from night one, I was like, I don't
know how I'm ever going to kiss this guy because
my dresses are tight and like I'm never like I'm
like awkwardly, like it felt like this is like I'm
wearing pants. This is the one time I could get
(10:00):
comfortable to kiss him, because that was another thing that
I was so terrified of kissing him on camera and
it being so awkward.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So yeah, because you were like in a little mini
like and.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
A little and like he's so tall, and you're like
you're like, you know, like it's just.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, okay, so okay, so let's talk about like, give.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Let's talk about the night portion of that date. Yeah,
so we go to the night portion. Energy is a
little off. You've kissed him, you've had a little extra
dance time, the girls are not feeling so hot. Tell
us how that night unfolded for you.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
So, right after we danced, I had noticed that the
girls seemed like off, but I thought everyone was tired
or I was getting like I tried my very best
throughout this whole process to not make assumptions, so I
was like, maybe they're just like tired, and I get it,
like I'm tired too, and they were just ding there
(11:00):
for a while, like at least I had like the
adrenaline going up like dancing, so you know, I did
pick up on that, But then it felt like everything
was fine. You know, we go we change and I
had I was only with one girl and she was
happy and seemed normal. So like walking in, I didn't
realize that anything was off, Like I felt like walking in,
everyone looked fine.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Again and like re energize or rejuvenate or I don't
know what word I'm looking for.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So that's why I was like, wait, so you guys
are frustrated, Like.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Did they say yes to that? Were they like we are?
And did you guys talk about it?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Well, that's also where my frustration comes in. There was
one comment that was made that was like, yeah, we
are frustrated, but like because we all tried so hard,
but see, we're such great friends that we didn't make
you feel like we were.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And for someone to say that, I was.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Like, well, then let me tell you that you're a
great like you're kind of like backtracking and by letting
me know that you're not making me feel bad, like
do you want me to give you like brownie points
for that? And that was where I felt that, like, oh, okay, damn,
this is gonna be a conversation that keeps happening all
throughout the night because that's what it seemed like, and
(12:19):
people were coming back from their conversations with him saying like, yep,
we talked about that, and so that's why I was like,
why is everyone like focusing on me?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like I really am sorry.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
I didn't mean to hurt anyone, but also we knew
that it was a competition and that someone was gonna
win the time, Like, it wasn't like he decided to
not give somebody else attention. It was like we we
knew it was a competition and so someone had to win.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, so address that.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, And to be honest, I don't think like I
left that night thinking that we were good like I did.
Not to me didn't feel as dramatic from the group
as it did from one person. So I thought it
was one person that started the train of the conversations
going a certain direction, and it felt like it was
(13:06):
all like we were all over it by the next day.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So do you feel like that night the frustration was
more about the situation or do you feel like it
was really about you? And where did you feel like
your relationship with the girls stood kind of leaving that night.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Leaving that night, I felt awkward, but it didn't feel
like it was the start of.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Drama like I think.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
They were felt like it was like a tough night,
but like, yeah, we're gonna move past this.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It felt like the girls were saying like, look, we
were forced to watch you do that, But we're not
going to like really hold it against you, like, yeah,
it sucked, but you know, it seemed like we were fine.
So my frustration was more about one girl starting a
train of like, damn, does this completely invalidate like all
(13:59):
the good time that I just had, Like I want
us all to be support Like, I'm not always going
to win the competition, so I want to be able
to be happy for the person that wins the next time,
because that's how competition is.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
So it was like, your feelings are valid, but it's
also like, oh, like that sucks.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
You know. She also had said on the way there
that if there was any drama that we should try
to address it with each other because of what had
happened with the basketball date, rather than bring it.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Up with Grant. I was like, that's a great plan.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So it felt kind of like, wait, so you said
this and then you're like dragging me into something.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I don't know. It just felt icky.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, your hope was that everything could get resolved amongst
the girls and not have Grant get involved.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, that was always the goal for me. Oops.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Okay, so let's now jump to what was the It
really seemed like the story of the season, which was
the conversation that happened off camera with you and Rose
and Roseta. Correct.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Latia wasn't in the first part of that conversation, Okay,
when he when he's when she said what Grant said?
It was me, Rose and Dina in the room.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Okay, do you want to walk us through that conversation?
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Sure? I was expressing to them because we had all
already discussed so Rose. Rose had already told me that
Grant did the exact same thing for her and for Latia.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
On the finance date.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
So we were kind of like, how much of this
is Grant versus how much of this is forced on
him to do certain things? But then how much is
real and how much can we trust?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Wait by exact same thing. What are you referring to?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't know what it was because they never even
aired it, but I guess he like did like some
grand gesture for.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Them, like on their one on one time during night.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
On the on the on the either the basketball date
or the financing I don't I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, so finance because they were yeah, so you So.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
You guys are kind of piecing together in this moment,
like Grant is saying and doing some of the same
things for all of us, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
For them too. And I had just gotten back.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
From my one on one and we were just kind
of like, so, how much, like we know, we signed
up for a TV show, but like what is real
and what's like performative and how much of that is
his choice?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And like how much you know?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
And I mean on my one on one, Grant said.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
A lot.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
And you have to keep in mind that, like, for
me opening up the way that I did, that's not
something that I talk about with anyone. Like I knew
that I was going to open up for not just him,
but for the world, and it was only something that
I was willing to do if I felt really good
about him in the moment, because it is really scary
(17:00):
for me. And we can talk about that some more
later if you want. But but you know, I have
this like amazing date and the guy is super into me,
it seems. And unfortunately, once I finish my epilepsy story,
it like wraps up like that and it's like you
gotta go, and I'm like, wait, but what about you?
Like I want to know you, I want to know
more about your story, I want to like connect more.
(17:23):
And I also don't want it to come across as
if I'm ungrateful, Like the plane is great, the jumping
out of something is great. But I even told him
like this isn't real life, Like I want to have
more conversations with you. That's all I can really care about.
And so we didn't have the time to do that.
And then I get back home. Sorry, I feel like
I'm literally going in circles again.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
No, no, you're just tell you tell your story. But
let's yeah, okay. So then going back to the conversation,
after you're one on one, you have a conversation with Rose,
things are said, can you kind of break down that
situation for us?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, so Rose that told me that granted the exact
same thing for her.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
In Latia, and you know, he he.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Was saying a lot to me.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
On my one on one I'm piecing it all together
because in the moment when you're living it, you're kind
of like so happy, and then you haven't really processed.
So I'm processing all of this in real time with Rose,
who was telling me, you know, he did the same
thing for Latilla, and then he was he was also
(18:33):
saying a lot to Dina and we were both like damn,
like like.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
This is crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
And I will say she did say should we keep
going or are we gonna hurt each other?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And I was like, no, let's like let's help each other, like.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Not fall for any anything, you know, like if this
guy's like playing us, tell me.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't think that Rose just pulled that out of
thin air.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I think she really thought he said that, and it
was obviously very concerning and it's not something that I
can let slide, like if this guy is just respecting
me like that, I don't want to be a part
of it. And I really really didn't want to get
her involved in the drama. I tried my best. I
feel really bad that I did. I tried to protect
(19:27):
her identity. And when I left my conversation with Grant,
it felt like, I mean, that's another thing. He told
me he wasn't going to look into it. He told
me he was gonna he told me I'm gonna protect you.
I'm not going to look into it because I told him,
I know you're probably frustrated. We can discuss it later
on if you really need to. I promise you this
person has no bad intentions. She's not just you know,
it was just miscommunication.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And I was telling him.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I was coming at him from a place of you're
doing a lot and saying a lot to a lot
of people, even to me. And I even told him
because I was still trying to protect him. I was like,
you whispered something in my ear during our one on one.
I didn't even want to repeat it on camera to
protect him, but you're doing a lot, and I need
I need to be able to trust you. And I'm
kind of you know, and I felt so good and
(20:11):
so like, Wow, that's a man. When he's like, you're fine,
I'm gonna protect you. I'm not going to look into
it like it's fine. I was like, oh that is,
like that's hot, Okay, I'm sold. And you know, then
he comes and finds me, apologizes for going to Rose
because he figured it out, and I'm like, damn, Like
I'm frustrated, but I get why you had to do it.
I just wish the next time you could like tell
(20:32):
me ahead of time before you drag me into it.
Like and then I come back in the house and
minutes later, Chloe's crying because he told her about the drama.
And now the whole house knows, and so not only
did he make a promise that he couldn't keep and
went to Rose, he now brought it to the entire house,
knowing that I was really scared that it would lead
(20:54):
to drama.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So I was really disappointed.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Okay, So but when you left that conversation with Rose,
what was agreed upon between both of you was it was?
It was there no understanding. Did you say like, hey,
I won't repeat this, You won't repeat this?
Speaker 4 (21:13):
No? Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So what so so.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
We we kind of mad made jokes like oh, we're
going to protect each other, and like Dina and Rose
like giggled and I tried giggling too, but it really
was still sitting with me. It was a pit in
my stomach feeling. And had I told her that I.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Wasn't going to repeat it, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I would never like my word means everything to me,
and I remember thinking like, I hope she doesn't ask
me to not bring it up, because I don't know
how to move forward without it. And I was like,
I need to sit with it and think about how
I can not betray her but still find the answers
that I need. And I went to bed, trying to
(21:56):
like pretend that everything was fine, but it wasn't. In
the next morning, you can ask anyone like I really
had like a pit.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
In my stomach feeling.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I was like, like I was so anxious, you know,
I thought I was just gonna go home.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Because I believed her.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Looking back on that night specifically, is there anything you
wish you had done differently? And is there anything you
wish Grant had done differently that you feel like could
have allowed the situation to unfold in a better way.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I wish Grant had stuck to had stuck to his word.
I wish Grant had you know. My frustration with Grant
is like, don't make promises you can't keep. Like if
he had just told me, hey, I need to address
it with Rose, we could have both gone and addressed
it with her.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think, I mean, I do feel really bad.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I feel really really bad that Rose was dragged into it.
I really tried to protect her. I thought I did
a good enough job. Like I walked away from that
conversation thinking he doesn't know who it is. When he's
listing names, I'm like, no, what's stop? Because I didn't
want him to. There's there's a moment when someone says like,
is it this person? You're like, I'm not going to
tell you. It kind of sounds like you are. And
(23:07):
I definitely didn't want to like attribute it to someone
who wasn't it. But I'm like, no, what's stop right now?
Like I didn't want him to keep going down the list.
And I also didn't realize that there were two people
that had been on that date who had already left.
So in the moment, I think in my head, I'm
picturing the date and I'm thinking there's still other people
(23:27):
that it could have been. It just felt like he
doesn't know and he's okay with it, and I'm walking
away with it with the resolution that I needed. And
I didn't let my friend down, And you know that
was that.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So I do wish sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Looking back on it now, do you wish you would
have told Rose like, hey, this is affecting me and
if I talked to Grant, I may bring it up.
Do you wish you would have given her that heads up?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
I I wish no. I wish I could have done
a better job of protecting her. I felt like if
I told her that I wanted to bring it up.
She would have asked me not to, and again, I
can't commit to something and then not follow through. So
I wouldn't have been able to tell her I won't
(24:22):
do it.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And then do it anyway, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And I was just I really really wanted to protect
her and I didn't want to stress her out and
have everything it's going to get back to me, Like,
you know, I thought I was gonna be able to
pull it off.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I really did so world it would have been like,
bring it to Grant and it ends there, like you
have your one conversation with Grant and like Rose's name
never gets brought up, and you guys like air it
out well initially and then it's done.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Initially, I was so confident that what she said was
right that I was gonna like walk up to him
and be like I'm done, Like I'm not even discussing it,
like I want to leave this show right now.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm over it.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But then I let it sit with me, and I
was like, I'm I'm thinking it all through, and I'm like,
I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And what I'm assuming might have happened is he.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
May have said it in a way to like pacify
the situation from that group day where everyone was upset.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
But what I was letting him know.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Was, if it is me at the end of all
of this, I don't want to watch it back and
be humiliated. And I said those exact words to him.
If you did say this, even if you didn't mean it,
even if even if now you feel different because now
you're more into me or whatever it is, like, I
(25:40):
don't want to watch his back and be humiliated. I
want a man that like stands by his word and
doesn't have to like bring me down to lift someone
else up. But I also thought maybe he didn't mention
my name, Maybe he was just trying to you know,
so in giving him that benefit of the doubt, that's
kind of like all I wanted to do, and and
I hope that that's.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Not what he had said.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
What do you believe? What do you believe?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
What do you think really happened? Do you think he
said it or you.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I don't think he mentioned my name from from what
we saw, okay and that clip. But I do think
that Rose was valid in thinking what she did because
he's saying I'm not gonna lie like I was thinking
about you, and it kind of sounds like like, oh, like,
I'm not going to pretend that I wasn't too her
because I was thinking about you.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I well, I don't know. That's that's very different. Like
if if Grant said like I was thinking about you
on the date, that's very different from saying I was
thinking about you while I was dancing with Carolina, like
those are.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But I feel like watching the clip, I can.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I see both sides should happen.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I see both sides, and that's what I wanted to believe,
And I was like, I can see both sides. But
I also think that Grant is saying weird things to
too many people, and I'm just trying to tell him, like,
you can do things and reassure other people without doing
too much and being disrespectful.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And that's what I really wanted to clear the air with.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Do you feel like you had a sense of anxiety
or paranoia about the way Grant was moving after this
incident with Rose?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Absolutely? Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I it's frustrating because Rose wasn't mad at me that night.
She was mad at him, and she came crying to
me and we talked about it in the room, and
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
She changed her story.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Later and wasn't mad at you. After No found out
you said that to Grant, she was fine.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
No, she came to me like, no, she wasn't fine.
She was crying.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
But we went up to her room to talk about it.
I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry whatever,
and she's like, no, like I don't even know if
I want to be here. So it was kind of
like both of us like talking about him, and I
was like, oh damn. And that's already a red flag
for me too, because it's kind of like if you're
not treating rosewell and if you're not treating the other
(27:59):
women well, and like why, Like that's still a red
flag for me, right, Like I want a guy who's
gonna be respectful to everyone. There was just a lot
going on in my mind that I was just like,
can I trust this guy?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And I was crucified for.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That, So I was gonna say so I was, yeah,
jumping from Rose because we kind of see that unfold
and then we see Rose goes home the following week.
Let's move on to your conversation with Juliana. Can you
just walk us through, you know, Juliana pulls you outside.
(28:33):
It seems like you are unassuming of like what is
about to happen, what she's pulling you aside for, and
we see she wants to a dress. Kind of your
behavior in the house and how it's affecting the other women.
Were you surprised by this conversation or did you have
a sense of like there was turmoil in the house
(28:56):
surrounding your relationships a little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I was surprised about the topic of the conversation. I
was not surprised that Juliana was trying to stow the pod,
which is why I was like trying to shut it down.
I was like, you're not gonna catch me fighting another
woman on TV. Like I was just like this, I'm bored,
Like I I don't want to be a part of this.
(29:23):
She said, I believe on your podcast that she lost
her pool when the Rose situation happened, and she did
so after the Rose situation. Juliana came at Rose while
Rose was already crying right after that Rose ceremony, and
she's like, in front of everyone, she's calling her out
like she should have like talked to her grant directly.
Blah blah blah, and I had to step in and
(29:43):
defend Rose and be like, if anything, blame me, but like,
why are we doing this. Let's not fight with women
like it's it's gonna be fine, Like let's move on.
So you know, I never had like a friendship with Juliana,
so when she told me, I was like, Okay, what's
this going to be about? And yeah, it just felt
(30:04):
like it was performative. I feel like at the hotel
we could have talked about it. We could have had
a civil conversation the same way that we me and
Rose did. We didn't want me and Rose didn't feel
like we were trying to create drama for a TV show.
It felt like we were friends. And with Juliana, I
was like, you you couldn't I've told her this. I
was like, you could have addressed this at the hotel.
(30:25):
You don't have to be doing this like for show.
And the way that she approached it is she comes
up to me and she's like, I'm just going to
keep it real because we've been talking shit about you
and I just want you to know before it airs.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
So that's why I'm like, okay, so.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
What is your question? Like I don't even know you're
not trying to have a conversation with me. You're trying
to I don't know if it's like a cert dominance
or have like this hero like arc or something that
you're protecting grant.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I don't. It just felt like it came out of
left field, and.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I and her sayecause I remember that, I remember that
conversation and being like, what did we just watch? Like
what was And I just.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Didn't understand because you also watch it with the interviews,
so you know what they're saying or they're thinking going
into it. But like when she's coming at me and
saying that they're talking about me, I'm like, about what like?
And then she's like, well, you have like doubts about
(31:26):
being here, and I'm like, well, the thing is like
and you guys know how this works.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
In the real world.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You don't talk about you don't talk about your relationship
with the guy with the same girls that are dating him.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
But here we have to write.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
And so I was like, how am I being negative
by being neutral by saying I do like him, but
I still have questions.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I still need to get to know him more.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I still like I feel like that's always been a
part of the show, like we've always part of the
show is struggling with getting to know the guy while
he's still spending time.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
With other women.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
And and it was like, what do you mean, I'm negative?
Like what is I wasn't seeing like where was coming from.
So I just didn't understand it.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, it seemed like a lot of the women were
under the It was just like Carolina has gotten time
with him, and she's not appreciative, and she's complaining and
doesn't want to be here or doesn't think this is working. Meanwhile,
(32:26):
none of us have time, have gotten time, right, Like
that was kind of.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
The general argument.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Way, Yeah, but I think anything that well, I just
think that like just like Grant didn't know who he
wanted to be with, and that's fair, Like it seems
so like, I don't know, like embarrassing anti like anti
feminists to be like I'm going to bow down to
this man because he's the bachelor and have no doubts
(32:54):
about him because he's the bachelor. So like I at
this moment, I remember asking Juliana, I was like, so
you mean to tell me that if he proposed to you,
you can absolutely say that you will say yes, And
she's like yeah, and I'm like, well, then I'm sad
for you because you haven't even been on a one
on one So how can you know that you want
to be with the guy? Like, I don't think you know.
(33:15):
It's it's a whole process, and even that whole process
is really short. It's a short amount of time to
get married, to get engaged to someone.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But like, we still had more time to go.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
So I wasn't saying I hate the guy, I don't
want to be here. I was saying I feel like
I need more time.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, I think that's fair. Okay, I think this is
a good place to stop the interview. Everyone, please stay
tuned because we will be doing part two with Carolina.
Thank you for tuning in to Better app Yall.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, and be sure to tune into part two. Thanks
for listening. Bye,
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