Exclusive: One-on-One with New Bachelorette Michelle Young

In a “Bachelor Happy Hour” podcast exclusive, Michelle Young opens up about saying goodbye to Matt James and looking ahead to her role as the Bachelorette. Michelle discusses her final day with Matt, and why the breakup took her by surprise. Plus, she reveals how she’s feeling now after seeing Matt on the “AFR” stage and what she really thought of that beard!  

Then, Michelle asks Becca and guest co-host Tayshia all her burning Bachelorette questions as she prepares for her journey to begin. Michelle also shares the one side of her personality we didn’t get to see on Matt’s season, and what the most important thing is that she’ll be looking for in a husband.   

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, welcome back Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Tasha and
I just had a little dance party before just kicked
this off. The caffeine is kicking in these days, and
you know what, it's a big week because we had
a major finale just go down last night, and I
cannot wait to get into some of the recap, but
I more so can't wait to get into our guests today.

(00:24):
And I'm so excited because I have my girl Tasha
on today. Next week, she'll she'll be taking a break now. Yes,
I'm still here filling in for Rachel, but she'll be
back next week to reclaim her throne. So don't you
less stress. I'm still I'm not ready to leave yet.
I'm still having fun. I know this has been such
a great time. It's fun to switch things up, and
people don't always love change, but I feel like you

(00:46):
needed every now and again, and that's what we've had
bringing you on taking over Bachelor Happy Hour with me.
That's what we saw go down last night during after
the final rows. You know, obviously Chris Harrison in his
typical fashion, but that's okay because we got something new
and fresh, a different perspective, something that I think was needed.

(01:06):
So let's just get into last night while we're here. Yeah,
but we have the newly announced bachelorette, not Katie because
she's currently in the bubble, but we have none other
than my Minnesota girl Michelle coming on and we're so thrilled.
I mean, I've just been anticipating this conversation. But before that,

(01:26):
t Shaw, we saw something very different last night. So
let's get into I don't even want to recap the episode.
I just want to get into after the final Rows
because that was like the big ticket item, the most
historical impactful I think after the final Rows Batchel Nation
has ever seen. So overall, did you have any highlights,

(01:49):
any conversations that really stuck out to you? You know,
I just actually say I really appreciated the way that
Emanel just approached all the conversations, like he did kind
of dive in to how uncomfortable things may be. But
he also he didn't let Matt or Rachel off the hook,
like he grilled kind of them both as well as

(02:11):
Michelle asking straight up like are you still in love
with him? And like he's right here is the last
time you're going to see him? You have anything else
to say, And I just thought he bought such a
fresh perspective and I'm really happy he was the one
that was chosen for Afar just putting that out there
at first, I am I am too. I think like

(02:31):
it's such a weird position to be in. You know,
this is nothing like we've ever seen before. Chris Harrison
has been doing this twenty years. But I think Emmanuel
was the perfect host because it's not like he's infiltrated
with Batchel Nation. He's right biased. He approached each never
conversation very uniquely, I think, and you could really tell
that he sat in those emotions of like when he

(02:53):
was sitting with Michelle and like really feeling for her,
having to like relive and stir up some of the emotions.
But I mean the part where he first sat down
with bat James and said, look like, a conversation between
two women is completely different than a conversation with two athletes.
But like, the conversation between two black men is something unique,

(03:16):
and that is something that we have never ever ever
seen on that stage before, the fact that two black
men can sit down and talk about race and diversity
and the issues of this franchise and yes, still the
love story. I thought. The moment he said that, I
was like, we are hooked. No really though it's a

(03:37):
different perspective than we've ever gotten, and we ever we
would never get really exactly like christ person couldn't have
done that, and I can't say that, no he can't.
And even if he tried to. This is the thing
I know, as like the man he is and as
the house he is, he would try to. But it's
a totally different level of having someone actually understand what
it's like to as Matt James continue to say, be

(04:00):
a black man in America, and oh my god. As
soon as he said that, I was like, no, this
is gonna be freaking good because it's true. No one
else could really. It was just and Chris, I mean
he has been he is a professional. He's an incredible host,
Like he knows how to get out emotion and have
that dialogue. But this was just so much more real.

(04:23):
It was raw, as he said at times, it was uncomfortable,
but that's okay, that's what we need to be having
these days. And like, overall, if people sat through that
Afar and like didn't have a major takeaway or learn
something like go back and watch it again and listen,
because it's so much more than just a love story.
Like yeah, like there was one. I mean, there wasn't

(04:47):
just one. There was several parts, several points that Emmanuel
had made that I was like, damn, this hits home,
This hits hard, But like this is what we need
to be hearing right now. Is He made a comment
at one point when he was talking to Rachel. Yeah,
I think everybody know you're gonna say it's so good.
He got, he got well. He his quote wasn't I
don't want to watch it. I tried to write it

(05:08):
down word for word, but he says, prejudice is a
willful commitment to ignorance and coming from somebody in the
franchise who you know, news flash, I'm this white girl
from Minnesota. I've i you know, have kind of lived
through Rachel's shoes in the past. We saw that go
down in my relationship on the show and after with
social media. It hit hard because, like, you know, we've

(05:31):
all not I shouldn't say we all, but like many
of us, especially who watched the show, the demographic, you know,
we've been that girl. We've been similar to Rachel. We
have done things ignorantly and insensitively that we didn't even know.
Like sometimes you don't know what you don't know. But
when he said, you know, prejudice is a willful commitment
to ignorance, but like, don't have it, be willful, like

(05:53):
you know, try to do better, try to be better,
try to educate yourself. And so that struck a chord
because I'm sitting there, like, you know, I can feel
for Rachel because I've lived through a very similar situation.
But but he just articulates it in such a good
way that like really hit me as if you were

(06:14):
hard And I hope that that other people could take
that away too. I think it was. Yeah, I could
tell that Rachel was really struggling in her conversation with him,
but she was also very open and honest, and I
think she's really putting in the work. But your takeaway,
you know, because as a black woman, you probably had

(06:35):
different takeaways than me than what I did. Yeah. No,
but I actually really appreciate you saying that because you
can relate to Rachel in that way and the fact
that you are aware now it's a totally different ball game,
and now you know what I mean like it's it's
something that needs to be seen, it's something that needs
to be talked about for other people to be aware

(06:57):
and to educate themselves. And I think that, I mean,
You'll said it honest, it was perfect. He said what
you did and what the party attended was more so
regarding racial and sensitivities and racial ignorance. He doesn't he
doesn't say like you're a racist, but the fact is

(07:21):
the actions that you had were racially ignorant. And I
think that that is so important for people to hear
coming from a black man on TV, because it's not
he's not sitting there being like I think people have
this perception that everyone's just like you know, African American
people or mix people, whatever it is, are just like

(07:41):
automatically calling you a racist a second you do something wrong.
That's not what we're saying. We're just saying you're being
racially insensitive right now, you are being racially ignorant, Like
let's just take a step back and like educate ourselves
for a second. And I think that he just articulated
it so well and put it in a way that
I think is going to impact a lot more people
than just for Kconnell and yeah, you know what I mean,

(08:03):
it was just like Okay. It kind of makes you
step back a second, because I feel like when people
are quote unquote feeling attacked, they kind of turn off
to being like, well, no I'm not, and they automatically
get defensive and they don't hear what you're trying to say.
And so I just I'm just so happy that Emmanuel
was the one that did this afar because I feel

(08:23):
like he I mean, he hit my heart in a
different way, so I can only imagine him hitting a
lot of other people. Yeah, I think, And I will say,
like Emmanuel has become a friend, like we've had several
conversations about this, m and yeah to play To add
to your point, I think like the verbiage was like

(08:45):
racial ignorance and racial insensitivity can play itself out in
forms of racism, but that doesn't automatically make you that,
which I think is important. And I think like in
this day and age, it's so easy to cancel people,
it's so easy to label people. Um, but if people
can realize their ignorance and their insensitivity and like for me,
realizing my white privilege and how that hinders where we're

(09:08):
at like where we should be in this country, um,
and to be able to check ourselves. I think that's
the first step. That's the most you know, acknowledging and
holding yourself accountable and moving forward in a positive way
where you're not willfully committing to that ignorance. Um. It's
the first step that I think we're seeing with Rachel now.

(09:30):
M definitely. And another good point that he made was
that because you know, and I've I've read DMS, I've
seen what has been being circulated regarding Rachel and the
Antebellum themed photos, and yeah, um, you know, like people
are still having the argument of like, oh, well what

(09:50):
she did wasn't bad. And I don't want to get
all into that because I don't want to, you know,
I don't want to take away from that conversation that
was had last night. But he did make a great
point that said his story can be remembered, but not
all history was meant to be celebrated. Which keep that
in mind. We're not saying erase this history, forget this history,

(10:11):
but acknowledge it and remember it, but you don't have
to like revel in it in a way. So I
think that was another major takeaway moment too for me.
So overall, I mean, it's not something that we're used to.
And again, I know people don't like change, people aren't
used to change. At times, it's hard, it's uncomfortable. But

(10:31):
I think after everything we've seen in twenty twenty and
at the beginning of twenty twenty one, there was no
better person I think to come in and host that
and to make Macuel wanted to make Michelle feel comfortable
and just to have a real, raw, open dialogue with Rachel.
So I also think, like with Rachel, I look, it's

(10:55):
an uncomfortable situation to be in, you know what I mean,
But at some point conversation was going to be had,
and I'm glad that we were able to have it.
But I do appreciate the fact that number one, she
has apologized, but also that she was just sitting there
and listening. She wasn't trying to defend herself, and I
think it's so easy to, i don't know, just be
scared and try to give yourself a little like help

(11:16):
yourself out a little bit. But the fact that she
just was trying to listen I appreciated, and I think
I hope it was so hard for me to watch,
like the conversation between her and Matt, or should I
say the lack thereof. I hope that those feelings are
the feelings that she uses to motivate her to do better, yes,

(11:39):
because I know I know she felt how hurt Matt was,
and I know that she It was just an awkward silence,
and I think, I know that was really hard for Matt.
But I feel like that's what he felt at the time,
and that's what you have to You have to appreciate that,
you know what I mean. Of course we wanted to
hear more from him, but at the same time, like
that's how he was feeling, and that was granted. And

(12:01):
I really hope that Rachel took that. Yeah, yeah, he's hurt.
They're both. I mean, a breakup in itself is never
easy to break up on a public platform, and with
the pressures of being the first black batcher, I can't
even fathom the range of emotion. And I don't think
it's going to be fixed overnight. It's not something that's
gonna you know, Like like I said, he can't just

(12:22):
turn off his feelings for her like a light switch.
It's going to take time. So for everyone listening, please
allow them as individuals to do what they have to
do internally to move on from this, to heal their
hearts and their heads. And allow Rachel the room, Like
if she's very genuinely wanting to be better, to educate herself,

(12:44):
to put herself in this new space of growth and acceptance,
please allow her to do that too, because that's that's
what we here in this country. You know, Like if
she was to say, you know, I screwed up, but
I'm not going to change, Like that's one thing. But
I think she, Um, I hope she means it from
from what she was saying yesterday, I could. I think

(13:07):
she's she's really trying to put in that work. Um.
But for Matt two, like he's gravy and they're going
through this weird heartbreak and it's there's enough pressure just
being on the show, So like, please give them room
and space and time. You know, no one likes dams
being blown up when you're going through something like this,
I know from experience, So just allow them time time
to heal. Another thing that really struck a chord with

(13:30):
me is with when Matt said that just you know,
with everything going on in the country and the social
injustice and everything that it sucks that he felt like
he had to take all of that on and be
the voice for all of that. And I empathize with
him for that because I never would want him to

(13:50):
feel like he had to take that on and be
the voice for the country, like for all a bachelor franchise,
because I don't think that was ever like the intention.
There's just so much the has happened in the last
two years that I think we were all kind of
a lot of people were looking for people to have
like the right words to say and the voice of reason,
and like, you know, I just empathize with him because

(14:13):
I really hope that he's able to move on from
life and not feel like he currently he constantly has
to carry that burden because he has enough to worry
about just being a black man. So, Matt, I also
just want to say that you did such a spectacular
job and if you haven't anything, you have us. Yeah,

(14:33):
you're part of us, part of this crazy Boucher family,
whether you like it or not. I can't get rid
of us. A baby. Yeah, I know, Matt said several times,
like he didn't sign up for what all transpired. You know.
He signed up to find love, I think, and to
do what we've all wanted to do when we became this,

(14:56):
like as the lead. But but he signed up for
that love like that we I'll do like you go in.
I think anyone goes into this not naively but just
being like I want to find my person, you know,
And there was so much more to it, And I'm
sure you felt it too, as as bachelorette in twenty twenty,
you probably felt a certain amount of pressure in the
same way he felt. So thank you both for I

(15:19):
think handling it as you did. Everyone's journey is different,
everyone handles situations and these types of conversations differently. So,
but as long as we're having these conversations, we can't
just watch this and be done. Like I want this
to continue to be shown in the franchise to be
I want like I want what we see in society

(15:40):
to be reflected in the franchise more and I think
this was a major step in doing that, with having
Emmanuel on after the final Rows was a major step
in doing that. If you want to continue to have
these conversations in your circles, like I highly recommend checking
out Emmanuel's book. It's called Uncomfortable Conversations with the Black Man.
I just finished it about two weeks ago, and it's

(16:01):
so eye opening. I think I turned over every page
with a different takeaway. I was highlighting it like crazy.
So a very good read, especially for me, like that
I can now take certain conversations back in my white
circles and continue it. Okay, Patitia, Before we bring on
our guest, we have another major revelation. We have a couple. Actually,
the first is that we don't only have one batchelorrette

(16:23):
this year. We have two. So before we even get
into Michelle's season, we have Katie, who is currently in
the bubble ready to meet her men. But Katie's not
the only one in the bubble. You and Caitlin Brassa,
So you're both there. You are going to be her mentor,
her advisor, her friend, her confidante, somebody who has been

(16:44):
in her shoes, who has walked through this crazy journey
that is the Bouchelorette. So how are you feeling knowing
what you're about to get into? I mean, the fact
that I'm in my third you know, season is insane,
just because I wasn't Matt season I made the Boopers,
so in case you didn't know that. But I have

(17:09):
to say, like, I am so excited to be here
for Katie. Um, I mean, one of the best parts
about my journey was having all of you guys come
and see me and nothing. No one can give you
more sound advice than another bachelor at a previous Bachelor
because no one really gets what you're going through. And
the fact that I can be here for Katie and

(17:30):
help her along the way is so fun. And I
feel like I hope that I can really add to
her experience and um, help her in times of need
because I know I wish I had you guys a
little bit more than I did at times when I
was just like I need a girl, Yes, my girl.
UM So if I can be her friend, her mentor

(17:51):
her confident, whatever she needs at the time, I will
definitely do it. I cannot believe I'm here. I cannot
wait for her. She's gonna be amazing. Um. I just
can't wait to get her like I want to get
it my girl engage. I would just want to get
her started. I'm so excited for her. The show needs
more love we need another relationship like what you and
Zach found on the show. Um, I'm I feel like

(18:12):
she's in the best hands with you and Caitlin, Like
I have no doubt that you will be there for her,
that you will make her laugh when she needs to laugh,
that you'll have different emotions than than what she probably
could have if you two weren't there. So I'm so
excited to not only watch her, but to see you
and Caitlin on the big screen again, because you know
we can't get because I love you, guys, so I
can't get enough of you. Um. I will have to

(18:34):
send you some of my bordone that you guys can
pop and drink over your CoA, have some Amoses in
the mornings. Um, but send her my love, give her
all of my best regards, give her a huge hug
for me, and just know that I will be thinking
of you all when you're along this journey with her. UM.
So I can't wait to see I can't wait to
get all the tea like you know, I'm gonna be

(18:55):
blowing up your crazy. I'm also so excited to be
doing this with Caitlin. I feel like Caitlin and I
have such different personalities and we've had such different seasons,
and I think, you know, Katie is very lucky to
have both of our different perspectives. But her and I
have just been through a lot also through this entire

(19:15):
like franchise and journey, so I feel like we have
the experience in order to help her. Caitlyn and I
gotta rock it. She has the best wing women. I
will say with you too, It's going to be incredible.
I cannot wait. I'm thrilled. Also, the fact is, like
Caitlin and I both had very different seasons. I mean

(19:36):
like she shared a season in the beginning with Brett,
I shared my season with Claire, and now although Katie
is her own bachelorette, but now Michelle's also the bachelorette.
So it's just like this sisterhood. It's just weird parallels,
that are all. It is very weird. But also at
the same time, I feel like we are definitely the

(19:57):
right girls for the jobs. So we've got you back.
I'm so bommed, I'm so parmmed for this year. It's
gonna be crazy like boom boo boom, season after season
after season, but like, hey, we kind of took a
break in twenty twenties, so I feel like we're just
making up, making up for the last season. So this
is gonna be great. So with that all being said,

(20:17):
Bachelor Nation, I mean, we have to just get into
this because I know you don't want to just listen
to Tasha as much as I think we have the
woman of the Hour coming on very shortly, So without
further ado, I think it's time to bring her out.
She took time out of her classroom to chat with
us today and we can't wait to get to know
her better. So everybody, please welcome your newest bachelorette. She

(20:41):
is upgraded from missus James to America's Bachelorette. Please welcome
to Shell. Okay, well, I'm just going to dive right
in because we are so incredibly excited to have you
and I'm I'm a very selfish person and to have
a fellow Minnesotan on the line here. I've been waiting
for this moment since the second you stepped out of

(21:01):
the late arrival limo, if you will, So, how are
you doing? I'm doing so well. It's been such a
crazy season. I mean, watching it, it's just watching it
back is something that you can't really prepare for, and
so it's been interesting. It's been a wave of emotions.

(21:22):
But I'm I'm doing well. I am a considered Well
you look great. Yeah, it's amazing. You're so gone. And
before we really dive in, we I want to first
start by saying, like, we don't want to really dwell
on the past. We'll ask you a few questions about
Matt and that relationship obviously, but like this is a

(21:43):
time to celebrate you because your world is about to change.
It's about to blow up in the best way as possible.
And so before all of that, like we want to
check in because obviously this major news dropped, like you
were announced as the official second bachelorette of this year,
which is the world has never seen before. Like this
is crazy, and it's because people love you so much.

(22:05):
You are such a fan favorite. So now that this
news is out in the open, like, how are you
feeling in your head and your heart? You know, I'm
kind of laughing because you're saying, are you ready for
your world to blow up? And I'm like it already
has blown up. I mean so weird going to out
to eat with my family or going to the grocery

(22:25):
store and people recognize you. That's just something that I'm
not necessarily used to. And they recognize my family too,
so they're kind of going through that with me. But
it's been really supportive from everyone. And it's a lot
of teachers that have reached out to me and just
have spoken about how they're so happy that I was

(22:47):
honest about the difficulties of this school year and that
they feel inspired. And so it's really nice that the
attention and the support that I'm getting is because they
felt like guy inspired them in some way and even
to like not even only adults, but I can only
imagine how your students feel watching you. And let's be honest,

(23:08):
Like I can say this because I'm from Minnesota, I
lived there for twenty eight years, that not a ton
happens in that state, you know, like we have some
claim to fame, like we had Prayans, But like I
feel like when I was on spatch Rode, it was
like the coolest thing that had happened to Minnesota in
a long time. And now I think that I could
probably speak from experience. I know like that the people

(23:31):
that live there are probably going to be so excited
and embrace you. But how has it been for your
students who maybe not they don't necessarily watch the show,
but they know kind of you know, oh that my
teacher's on the screen and she's going to become the
batch roode. How are they receiving everything and like celebrating you.
So I had the students that were on that hometown episode.

(23:51):
Those were my students that I had the previous two
years actually, and so I knew them really well, they
knew me really well. And to leave for the film
of The Bachelor, I had only been in the classroom
that I'm in now with those students for two weeks,
and so this is kind of a new group that
I'm working with, and there's been a lot of adjustments

(24:12):
because of the pandemic, and so we're kind of in
a position where it's we're like on week two of
getting to know each other, and nobody had mentioned anything
for the first week or so, and then I had
to leave to tape Afar, and when I came back,
I was completely interrogated, and they had found out and
they had all of the questions in the world and

(24:35):
they were miss young. Why didn't you tell us and
I'm just like, oh, can you imagine having this conversation
with your students, well, you know exactly, And so I
let them ask a few questions. And I had thought
they found out earlier because someone said, miss Young, I

(24:56):
know that you're famous, and I'm thinking, okay, here we
go and they're like, yeah, you're on TV. And I'm like,
all right, I got by so so much time without
actually having people find out we're saying anything. And then
they're like, yeah, we're basketball. So there are all these
moments where I thought they knew, But according to last week,
they all know. Now. Um, I'm not sure of if

(25:17):
they know about the whole bachelorette thing quite yet. Um,
they'll have time the basketball that someone's gonna find out.
But I mean they think it's pretty cool. Um, their
families or their parents watch, and I've spoken highly of me.
So yeah, they're a little star struck at times. But

(25:38):
you know, when I give them homeless back into shape.
So if you get your A on your test and
you can ask me a question like, yeah, one thing
I do want to touch on throughout your entire season
with Matt and even at Afar and the conversation that
you had in the last episode with Matt's family was
a lot of it was about trust, which I think

(25:59):
any woman can late to wanting and meant to man
can relate to wanting in a relationship. It was such
a big thing for you and Matt, and obviously at
the end of this you were very blindsided in the
way that he ended things. You know, most people go
into that last day either expecting to get engaged or
get broken up with at that older quote unquote if

(26:19):
you will say that, so, I'm sure you didn't expect
him to call things off when he did. So what
was it like when in terms of trust, what was
it like when when he was sitting there talking with
you about to leave and breaking things off? And then
is it still something moving forward that you keep high
on your list in relationships when you become the batchright

(26:41):
moving forward? Yeah, it's gonna I mean when after people watch,
it's very clear that I didn't excuse me, I didn't
know it was coming. It was a thing where I'm
a person that I read other people's body language, and
you know, if I kind of felt like he was
holding back a little bit, I would have two and

(27:01):
I would have you know, kind of figured out what's wrong,
what's going on. But that was something that you know,
Matt and I even spoke about. He kind of put
on a face that day. And as much as I
understand that, it was also really difficult because, as you know,
being on the show a few hours or minutes together,
your relationship really is expedited. This is not a situation

(27:24):
where you know, you spend all day, every day together
and it's a slow moving relationship. It's like every hour,
every minute counts. And so for me, it was so
hard to continue to put myself in that vulnerable position
and fall even throughout that, you know, repelling the chateau date,
and continue to fall to then get to the evening portion.

(27:46):
And these uneasy feelings were going on the entire time,
and so I think that was the difficult part is
I understood that things were going to change fast. I
understand that I wanted the best for him, and the
show was about him find his person, But it was
more for me caught off guard as I asked how
he was doing it, asked, you know, all of those

(28:07):
questions during the day, and I kind of kept getting
a positive response, and so that was the hardest part.
For me is that I felt like I did the
groundwork to you know, cover my bases, to make sure, okay, cool,
I'm going to keep being vulnerable, and then it was
you know, pulled away a little bit and also the
nature of this show, and I get that, but that

(28:29):
I honestly think I was sitting there trying not to
throw up because my stomach was turning when I was happening,
and so it was difficult. It really is. But I'm
doing okay well. For women who have gone through something
similar and have been you know, we've all been now
broken up in very weird ways, very probable ways. It's
never comfortable. It's never easy. You know, at the end

(28:52):
of the day, I hope that you realize, like you
came out on top, you're winning now and every I
hate to say this because it's so cliche, but everything
happens for a reason. And I think you, like you
needed that moment and I'm kind of glad that he
did it prior to actually that last day where you
think you could potentially be getting engaged. But yeah, it's

(29:12):
never easy, like and it's so hard to articulate those
breakups because like when you're blindsided at least for me,
like I'm shocked. I don't know how to put into
words when I'm feeling. But you expressed yourself so well,
and in the moment, I think women especially I mean
me watching it, when you were like, well do I
need to fight for you? Like what is this? I
was like, yeas girl, you asked those questions because I

(29:33):
felt like when I was being broken up with on
the after the Bachelor season, I just like shut down
completely and didn't have any words, like didn't you couldn't
even fathom the questions at that point. And so I
think in that moment during that breakup and then even
at Afar, like you asked the right questions, like you
worded everything so well where you left it all out
on the table. I hope you got your closure. How

(29:54):
are you feeling now after seeing him on that stage? Yeah?
I after that up, it was really hard for me
to get closure, and there was a conversation that I
wanted to have because I was really struggling, and as
I was coming back to Minnesota leaving Pennsylvania, it was
really I felt like I was spinning in circles and

(30:14):
I felt like I was trying to put the relationship
down and I had, but emotionally I wasn't able to
move forward. It was really difficult. And so because I
wasn't able to get that closure from Matt at that time,
I think that's what was making it hard for me.
But I think the most valuable thing that I've actually
learned from this process is that I now know that

(30:35):
I can get the answers and closure within myself to
give that. So even walking on that stage for Afar,
I had the closure I needed. I had some questions,
but I also wasn't putting the ability for me to
get closure on Matt's responses, if that makes sense, and
so so yeah, it was it was hard to sit
down and have those conversations and honestly get back into

(30:58):
that headspace of leaving and what that felt like and
the questions that I had at that time because in
the end I had already given myself closure. I love
that you say that you are able to ask the
questions in order to get the response you kind of need,
like you were doing the ground where you could try
to understand if, like you know, get the reassurance, because

(31:21):
I feel like it's so important in this process and
that's part of the reason why you can make this
such a transforming journey if you will on yourself, because
again you're shut off from the world, but you rely
on yourself to make those questions and decisions. You don't
have anybody else to really consult, being like okay, so
should I call them or text? You don't have the
opportunity to do that, So you like are sitting in

(31:42):
the moment and you're trying to get as much clarity
as you can, and when you don't get it, it's
more like a feeling. You have to just be like no,
like I know better, you know, and she always gonna
go with this, Oh yeah. But the fact is, as
hard as this journey was for you, I'm so I'm
kind of happy you went through it. So that way,
when you are the bachelorette, you kind of understand how

(32:05):
these people are feeling, you know, in that moment of time.
And again, as hard as it was for him to
break up with you that day, as opposed to like
making you go to the ultar like I've even been
there in that situation, and as weird as it, it's
hard to comprehend he was doing that because he cares
for you, so it's like one day you will You're

(32:26):
gonna see it very soon. But um, you'll be in
that situation to where you can kind of I don't know,
you'll you'll be feeling the same things. You'll kind of
get it on a different level. So but the fact
that you were able to I don't know. Yeah, and
that's something back, Yeah, I look back and understand is
that you know, I'm very a black and white person

(32:48):
at times asking the questions and just just say yes
or just saying that I don't need a reasoning. Thats do.
I fight for that too? Okay, you know, but I wish,
But I mean to go back to what you said also, Becca,
it really has helped me think about what I would
do for the men coming in on my season of

(33:11):
how do I handle those situations? How you know, when
someone is pouring their heart out to me and maybe
I don't feel the same way, how can I respond
in an honest and authentic way, you know, at times
when I know that the relationship is no longer going
to be there and I'm going to be putting down
or I have to put it down. And so yeah,

(33:33):
it's such a hard balance. I mean, yeah, I'd be
curious to learn about any tips you have for that.
I have a feeling that this is going to be
the first of many conversations that you will have with
all of us women. And welcome, I guess let me

(33:53):
just say that to welcome to this Bachelorrette family. If
you will, we will. You will soon be added to
the group chat between all of us women. It's such
a fun, uplifting, supportive group, like we're all behind you,
supporting both you and Katie all of the way. So
and anytime, I mean like we are all open books here,
like come to us at any point. We will give
you lots of advice. I don't know if you should.

(34:15):
I mean, what's madness. You probably shouldn't take my advice,
but stop it, stop it, Yes you should. But you
have something that Matt James never had, Like he had
never filmed anything before, like this was his first season
going into it blind with you women, and so now
you have the ability to know. Okay, I've been on
the contestant side, I've been one of many women, so

(34:37):
I kind of know how the men will be feeling
in this situation or if this were to happen, or
if somebody were to say this, or if they're upset
over something like you can you can revert to where
you just were in Matt season to know kind of
how you would be feeling and how to navigate that,
which I think gives you such a like up. You know,
it'll help you empathize with them so much more than

(34:58):
what Matt was ever able to do. Um, So you're
in a really great position for that. But like, let's
just get in to the men. Let's get into the future,
because that is the exciting stuff, like big, you just
lit up. Okay, I saw you show. Let me just
say this one more time. You are the bachelorette. It

(35:19):
still hasn't sunk it a thousand more times. And then
maybe I'll wake up one morning and be like, Okay,
you might not like I still to this day, three
years I'll wake up and I'm like that, like, did
that actually happen? I will feel like that for a
while and I still got I got a man by
my side. I'm like, but where did you come from?
Oh yes, let's just look down at that ring, like,
oh yeah, we went through all of that to get

(35:41):
to this moment. I'm telling you right now, I don't
think it takes a minute to think it. It's such
a surreal experience. But I'm very happy to be passing
my crown to one of my favorites along with another favorite.
So I'm happy for you. We are so excited. Oh
my gosh, Michelle. Yeah, but you are glowing and it's
just incredible. And it's only just begun. It's only just begun.

(36:04):
To buckle up. Okay, one thing before we get into
the future and all the incredible things. What's something major
or something that we didn't learn about you on your
season that you feel like the world now that you
are announced as Batcherette, needs to know about Michelle Young.
It's such a strong question. I think that, I mean,

(36:30):
this is a side that people maybe had glimpses of.
But I am pretty goofy, Like I'm pretty, you know,
don't get embarrassed easily. I'm constantly laughing at myself. I
don't really take life too seriously, but I can have
serious conversations, and so yeah, I think that America might

(36:51):
see my goofy side come out a little bit more.
And I mean they saw they saw glimpses of it
in the bloopers. But yeah, yeah, I like to joke,
ram I can't wait. I mean you you seem so
well rounded, like intelligent, kind, patient, and we did see
the goofy side you out of any of the women

(37:13):
on Matt season, I think brought out that fun, playful,
goofy side to him. I agree with that. I completely
agree with that, and you picked it up like right away.
It was never like it took a little bit of progression.
It was just like boom boom boom. But wait, okay,
so something that they haven't learned about you? But what
about like for your relationship, like something that you're like
truly looking for in a guy, and what kind of

(37:37):
guys do you date? What's your type? What are you
looking for? I think, you know, I think the biggest
thing that I look for and someone is if they
have that intrinsic motivation. I'm a very motivated person. I
have a lot of goals. I want to make an impact,
and that's super important for me to have that in

(38:00):
my partner. And you can bring the best side out
of each other when you're with the right person, and
I love that. But also I think it's super important
for whoever I'm with to come into that relationship with
that intrinsic motivation, because that's something that I'm really attracted
to somebody who is not just going to super cliche

(38:21):
talk to talk, but also walk the walk. Also emotional intelligence.
I mean, are you not that you have to perfectly
be able to talk about your feelings, but to know
what you're feeling and to be empathetic to the person
that you're with, and to be open minded. I mean,
have an argument with someone who's closed minded, and that's

(38:43):
that's a really difficult situation. And so I think those
are the two things that I'm really looking for challenged
a little bit. I love that I can't wait to
watch this season. I'm just gonna say, like I obviously
have to watch it for the podcast, but I have
no doubt that you are going to have some of
the best conversations. You are going to push these men

(39:06):
in ways that they've probably never been pushed before. And
I mean in terms of emotional intelligence. You know, going
on the show, like there are certain like everything is
so sped up, and there are certain conversations and discussions
that have to be had, like very very early on,
and I think it's a good test to see who
is able to kind of get themselves out of that
comfort zone and who might be more guarded and able

(39:28):
to open up. And I think you will do an
incredible job at that with the men. I think that
they'll be able to feel comfortable with you in the past.
Have you ever dated like a certain type of guy?
Like are you? Are you like? Is there anything on
your list that you like? Are really besides the motivation
in EI like looks wise like anything else or that
you want or do not want that? What is a

(39:49):
hard no for you? Oh? I'm like in the hem
you know what I mean? Yeah, to see with eyes open? Yea, yeah,
that was. You could add that to my list everyone
listening up, all the casting producers add that to the
very top. But I think one thing. I mean, I'm

(40:15):
a very active person as far as lifestyles, and so
I go to the gym, I lift weights, I stay active,
I you know, play on club basketball or kickball or
all these different things. And not that you have to
be this chiseled athletic person, right, but I want you

(40:36):
to be able to live fit lifestyle with me because
I think that's, you know, something that can hold two
people together and when life gets busy and you both
are going to work or you have all these other
things going on. Being able to go to the gym
together and knock out a quick workout is something that
I would love to have in my partner, and so
I think that's something that I really look for. They

(40:57):
got to keep up with you. You got to be
able to keep up with me. You know, if you
could keep up with the whole classrom of kids, that
means you got like you got the energy to do it.
They better stab. Oh yeah, that's a different type of energy.
I'll say that. That's a more exhausted energy. I can
only imagine. Well, okay, we just got to throw this
out there. This is the perfect time to say, because

(41:18):
like we want nothing but the best for our baby,
Like we want the top of the line men, but
a brother, a cousin, a best friend, just an incredible
man in your life. Please submit them for our girl, Michelle.
And if you don't know where to go, I mean
we say it before and every during every episode, you
have to just head to bachel Nation dot com slash

(41:39):
apply and like, I'm not Katie when I say Michelle,
like I'm ready to sift through some of these applications
and find men for you because we need it's going
to be hipped men who are motivated, who are driven,
who are ambitious, who are kind, like all the things like,
please apply for great men for our girl, Michelle. What

(42:00):
kinds of things does a guy have to do to
really impress you? Like, what's one thing if a man
does it on a date or just like in general,
you're like, oh, damn, he's a good one. I think
when somebody listens to the small things, and so listen
to the small things. And it's not just I mean,
I'm not going to even go into the love languages,

(42:21):
because I feel like everyone goes into the love languages,
but I think it's super important that when you are talking,
that that other person is genuinely listening to you and
genuinely interacting in those conversations and is able to bring
up those things that you said at a later time,
because that's how you know that they were listening. And
so that's something that I look for. And obviously that's

(42:44):
going to be kind of hard for me too. That's
gonna be a challenge because now I have this wide
array of men and I have to listen and I'm
going to do my best to remember everything that is said.
But yeah, I have a lot of people helping you
with that. Yeah, it's gonna be hard, but you'll be fine.
You'll be fine. I seen there with a little notepad
making notes, but I could you imagine that. But yeah,

(43:04):
somebody can truly listen and understand and learn about you,
and somebody who actually wants to continue to learn about you.
And when I was on the season with Matt, I
talked a lot about staying in love and I got
a lot of that from my parents because I've watched
how they treat each other, how they listened to each
other when they're talking, and that goes such a long way. Well, okay,

(43:31):
I want to get into your parents because I think
all of America fell in love with them when we
saw them at your hometown, like they were just the
absolute cutest. I mean, can I just say hashtag couple
goals like they were. They're like they just seemed like
they had sot like this zess and this love for
each other and for you. It was very apparent. It
was and we've said this on the podcast, like it

(43:53):
was one of our favorite hometowns, especially this season. I
would say for sure. So, how are they feeling for you,
Like what if they could manifest anything for you, what
would they want for you? You know, in the episode
where Matt got to meet my family and my mom
asked us here to like dad, that was something that

(44:16):
was very true. Is when I was dating, when I
was looking for my person, and when I'm going to
be looking for my person, it is somebody who really
does treat me like my dad treats my mom because
he's so respectful, he continues to go out of his
way to do whatever he can for her. He's so supportive,

(44:38):
gives her a voice in times and vice versa. And
so I think that's what I'm so thankful for is
that I had this amazing, healthy relationship that I could
see grow continuously as I was growing up and still
now and supporting each other. And that's something that I'm
going to look for, and I know it's out there,

(45:00):
might it might be hard to find, but that that's okay.
I'm not willing to settles. It's so rare too. So
congratulations to your parents and able to like show you
exactly what a healthy, good relationship is. And I think
it's so hard to I don't know, especially when you're
in your own relationship, there's so much to navigate, and
if you don't know how to do those like navigated

(45:20):
properly and you have those tools, it makes it really hard.
I mean it's doable still, but it just makes it
really hard. And so you're honestly one step ahead kind
of been a lot of people so which and also too,
I mean you like you're coming in in such a special,
unique way and much like like you're coming in your

(45:41):
face like your parents are this beautiful interracial couple. Like
have you been able to and maybe you had this
prior to the show too, but also being on the
show and like moving forward knowing that you're going to
meet twenty five thirty men of all walks of life
of you know, black, white, Asian, you'll see more so
than you've ever been able to date, probably in Minnesota.

(46:04):
Are you able to navigate those types of relationships with
your parents and get advice in terms of like potentially
being in an interracial couple with them. Yeah, I think
my parents have a lot of insight on sometimes the
challenges of being an interracial couple and growing up by
me and I knew that there were some situations that

(46:25):
my parents had experienced where they were traveling and they
walked into a restaurant and were treated completely different because
they were an interracial couple. And so we've talked about
those things, We've talked about those challenges. I've seen how
they've handled those challenges, and so that kind of gave
me a perfect example of what to do, how to

(46:46):
handle it having children that are biracial and potentially the
challenges that that can bring with people's views unfortunately. And
so yeah, I do think that I'm in a good
place where I have had that example and I can.
I mean, they're always going to support me, and they're

(47:07):
always willing to give my advice, give me advice in
an open way. So I'm yeah, I'll be leaning on
them a little bit. Yeah, I'll definitely say. You're going
to start dating people that you probably have never even
imagined yourself dating. But I think that's the best part
about this process, is like you are given opportunities that
you might not have had before and just to lean

(47:30):
in into every single one. You never know who will
surprise you. And I feel like, I mean, that's what
happened to me, and I feel like, I don't know,
just be so open minded and don't take anything off
the table, like feel it out, like this is your
time to actually do it, because you might be coming
out like engage, you know, and then you ain't got
no time to do it again. Take a full advantage

(47:50):
and definitely utilize your parents when they come. I am
so excited for you to do this entire journey. I
feel like it's it definitely comes out of nowhere. I
know that, but I feel like you have such a
good foundation and you're exactly what you know the franchise
needs and an example for a lot of people. So

(48:11):
I'm so happy you're you're coming up, Honey, you're coming up,
coming up. I want to I want to leave some
time because I feel like, so we've had a bad
shread Bible in the past where we've passed it down
to all of the bad charts. I think it was
given to me actually on my season so three years
ago from Caitlin, Jojo and Rachel. But do you have

(48:32):
any advice or do you want to ask us any
advice or tips before you go in? I mean, I
know that you have some time. Like I said, we
will continue to talk, but right now, just since it's
also fresh, like anything that you want to ask us
since we've been in your shoes, I honestly want to
know what you feel like. The helpful the most helpful

(48:53):
tip is going into this position or after you've finished,
if you're looking back and you're like, oh, oh, I
really wish I did this or I really wish I
would have thought of that beforehand. So, now that you've
been through the experience that you have, what is the
biggest tip or yeah, that you would have for someone
like me. Oh, one thing that I would say and

(49:18):
I feel like you're going to do this, like so
I feel like I don't even really need to like
explain it that much is to stay open minded in
the sense of, like you know, when you're dating, you
have the luxury to like go on one day and
be like, m they're not for me, I'm not into
them here. You still have to keep a certain amount
of guys around each week, as you know, and when

(49:41):
I say stay open, like, you never know who's going
to surprise you. So you could have one date or
one group date with somebody or one conversation and be like,
I don't know if they're for me, Like you know,
it's not all there yet, but keep pushing through because
some people will pleasantly surprise you and you will be
so talked. Like I went through most of my entire

(50:02):
season thinking it was going to be one person. I
was like dead set, and then like towards the end,
I started to open up and be more surprised by
like the other men, where I was like, Okay, I'm
glad I didn't write this person off week one or
week two and they got to week five or six whenever.
So just keep that in mind, like there's gonna be
times where you're gonna be exhausted and you're gonna make

(50:23):
a I'm over this person, like I wasn't feeling it
this night. They might have had an off night. You
might have had an off night. So just just be
open to that, Like you never know when it's going
to slop you in the face and you're like, oh,
I actually really like this person one thing in hindsight,
and I can say this now years later because I've
done a lot of thinking about it, and you know, um,

(50:45):
really going back through like how I handled my season
versus then and now, ask the right questions in the
right way. I went in thinking, you know, I wentn't
thinking knew, and I know what like I know what
I'm here for, I know what I want, I know
what I need in a partner when I'm demanding under
these men. And I thought I did an okay job

(51:07):
at the time of like navigating certain conversations and asking
certain questions, whether it was on camera or off. Looking back,
now I didn't. And so now I would just like
be so direct and intentional in what you're wanting to
find out about these men, even if it's uncomfortable, even
if it's going to be hard, even if it could
lead to like the end of whatever relationship you're having

(51:28):
with any of the men. Just be very intentional about
what and how you're asking things. Good point, that's me.
I mean I could I could go on and on,
but like, like the main takeaways at this point, Dasha
probably has completely different ones. No, that's not true. I
kind of agree with you. But I feel like you
know that now because you're you're you're more mature, like

(51:49):
you've grown and you know what you want now. I
feel like, Michelle, you have a really good head on
your shoulders, and I feel like I don't know, I
feel like I'm not worried about you asking the questions
that you're gonna need answer it. But I feel okay,
So going in, I will say, have I already told
you have no expectations and don't just cling to what

(52:12):
you're used to. I feel like that's what you would
be most pleasantly surprised at. It is because like when
you open yourself and you're just allowing the moment to
just happen and not overthinking everything, it allows you to
put your guard down. The guys actually see who you are.
They automatically become more like calm and like able to
open up to you, and it it just take it

(52:35):
for as normal as you can make it. It's very abnormal.
But at this point you kind of have a little
bit of experience under your belt and just be confident
in who you are, like you own it, like you
know what you have to offer. So just go make
them work a little. Just just be you like it's fine,

(52:56):
don't think about it, and like I said, test out
all the waters. But as far as like looking back,
to be honest with you, obviously, I don't regret anything
because I'm happily engaged, but I really truly think that
I was myself, and even if I did mess up
or I, you know, I could have asked a little

(53:17):
bit more questions. I think that I have a good
enough intuition and I think I have a good enough,
you know, sense of self that I was able to
navigate those waters. And so I think that's also really
a big part of it again, being reassured that you
know what you're doing and you're making the right decisions,
because you can continuously think that you're not doing the

(53:38):
right thing and then they're away. Another relationship that should
have been you know what I mean, like second guess
in yourself. You don't need to do all that. We
always play a fun game with our guests, which we
will get into, but I want to leave the floor
open to you because your big moment will be coming
up in a few short months. But before that, we
obviously know that Katie is going to be the current
Bachelor at a little bit before you, so before before

(54:01):
she goes off into filming and all that, is there
anything that you want to say to her, any words
of encouragement, Like what sentiment would you leave for Katie
at this point? I think it's a lot about what
you too just spoke about is truly being yourself. I
mean this process if you do throw yourself in. I
mean there's that quote that everyone says, trust the process process,

(54:23):
But really, when you put down social media in your
phone and you kind of put down small talk, you
can really dig deep and get to know one And
I think the biggest thing is to not she doesn't
need to be robotic. She can be her complete, genuine,
authentic self, so that at the end of this, even

(54:43):
when the cameras are done rolling, those two people, her
and whoever you know, hopefully she ends up with truly
know each other and it's not necessarily the situation where
it's a surprise coming later. And obviously there are going
to be bumps because it's a relationship in such a
short period of time. But I think Katie will stick.

(55:05):
I think Katie will stay true to herself, and I
think she'll do a really good job with that. But
like you, like you just posted, that's the biggest thing
that someone in this position can do. Wait, I want
to know, Michelle, who were you closest with at the resort? Yeah,
I was, quote well Ryan, we were. We were roomies
for a little bit, and then Serena pe and Bree. Okay,

(55:29):
oh good group. Oh cool? And do you still stay
in touch with most of the women or I guess
those women? Oh yeah, we talk every day. Yeah, I
love it. Maybe seems more your faces on your season too, So, um,
I can't wait. Okay, game time because we know that
you're all about the games. Okay, So Michelle being the

(55:49):
new batcherette, we're gonna play a game called a Rose
or goes. I'm gonna try to put on my best
announcer voice. Okay, Rose or goes. We're gonna give you
a few scenarios that could happen on your season, okay,
and you have to tell if it's a rose or
if they'll go. So I will kick it off. We're
just gonna give you different scenarios. You tell us are
they gonna stay? Are they gonna get that rose or go?
It's very straightforward obviously, um. And some of these have

(56:12):
happened on past seasons, so I don't know if you
would handle them the same way. Some maybe are just
like made up scenarios. But here we go. It's night
one and a guy steps out of the lima wearing
a costume, maybe a squirrel costume is it a rose
or does he go oh gosh, I feel like I'd
had to talk to the squirrel. But I'm gonna say Rose. Okay,

(56:37):
maybe nobody, maybe not my final Rose. I don't know,
but some kind of that's we're working with. Maybe you
were the costume. I feel like they don't ever make
it that far. Well, oh that's true. I mean, remember
open minded, you don't know you're construe. I would talk
to the squirrel. And I always say this people. People

(57:02):
always knock the costumes, but night ones are always long,
there always freezing, and so it's like if they can
get a leg up and stay warm in that costume.
I mean, I had a guy show up in a
chicken party, but I was jealous by the end of
the night because I was so cold. I was like,
can I wear this? Yeah? Okay, rapid fire, Okay, you
gotta go quickly to theives. Okay. Ready, You're at a
cocktail party and a guy spray champagne in his face.

(57:25):
Is he a rose? Or goes Rose? Rose? Rose? Alright,
it's night one and a guy wants to be the
life of the party and cannonballs into the pool. Rose
or goes goes Yeah, a guy arrives late a few
weeks into your journey rose or goes rose? Obviously a rose?

(57:47):
Look at look at the gold we got out of
the literally literally yeah. What if a guy rides up
in a horse rose, A guy walks up the drive
a with all for one Sarah eating you? Does he
get a rose? Or does he go? He gets a rose? Okay?
What about a guy? What about if a guy drives

(58:09):
up in a hot tub car? Did I get in? Yeah?
You better? Okay? What if a guy steps out of
a little and speaks to you in another language? Rose
or goes after I Google translate M can tell you

(58:30):
what are you saying? If he just leaves your hanging,
It's like, come on it? What else do that talking
to do? Okay? What I wants to do? A wedding
photo shoot with you? Goes? Speed up? Take Tasia and

(58:50):
Zach they had to do this? Awkward? Why didn't shoot
date and look and look at this ring on her finger?
Show it off, Tasia? Well, I'm getting it resized, so
I don't have it all right now? This is really awkward.
Literally so up. I swear it should be coming tomorrow
or whatever anyway, but I will say, look, that was

(59:11):
the most uncomfortable situation. But literally the way that he
handled it is what kind of made me second, Like
like take him seem a different light, and I was like,
oh wait, he's very attentive. This is amazing. As long
as they're not like one up in you and like
taking all the spotlight in this photo, it's okay, Like
he clearly knew I was uncomfortable. It was like, maybe
you shouldn't do you know, so it might be it
might be helpful. Okay, what is something that a guy

(59:35):
can do that definitely means he's getting the rose. Oh
I'm trying to think about something different than I already
said something different. Um, I don't motivated. Honestly, if someone's lazy,
that's like the biggest turn off for me. Do you

(59:56):
do you like overly confident men or does it kind
of rudy out if it's like borderline cocky. I want
them to have confidence, but I want them to be humble.
I want them to be sure of themselves or of
what they bring to the table, but I don't want
them if they have to feel like they are showcasing
it all the time, or you know, you get a
huge group of men, if they're trying to one up

(01:00:18):
each other well spoken, like a true minnisote. My mom's
going to be listening to this and be like, I
love that. Michelle Young when I when I when I
left for my season, She's like, just stay humble, stay humble,
make sure the guys are humble. So she's gonna love
this conversation. How do you feel about like kissing? Night one? Like,
if a guy came out and kiss fresh Lemo, how

(01:00:40):
would that make you feel? Um? I like to take
things slow, which I'm cracking up because I'm a bachelor.
Good luck. I mean depending if he's a good kisser,
if his eyes are closed right, if it's not hard
to be I heard his do people, but his eyes open,

(01:01:02):
then you know we might. Would you send him home?
Night one? If you knew he was kissing me with
his eyes open top it, you would not, Michelle? I
would not, No, No, I would talk. He has PTSD?
This girl's scarred? Are you okay? PTSD? But I would
definitely a hard time to say that. What is something
that if a guy did this, he would have to

(01:01:23):
go right away? Um, if he drank too much and
was super sloppy, honestly. Yeah, no one likes sloppy. No
one likes sloppy. And this is why this is great
because everyone listening in can know exactly what we are
looking for and not looking for. And I say we like,
I'm with you because like a composed man that's kind humble,

(01:01:48):
that does make you laugh like children, It's sweet, but
like also motivated, also kind of doesn't need to work
out a lot, but is still fit. A family guy,
family guy. Yeah huge. Yeah, So anybody, if that applies
to you, go apply for Michelle season the Bachelorte. Now
I feel like a cohost or a host commercial. Yeah,

(01:02:11):
this is this is weird. Okay, yeah, so go apply.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited, Michelle. I feel like
we could have you on like a pardon. We doesn't
want to let you go, but I also realize you
are a teacher. You have to get to class. You
have thirty I'm sure thirty students that you have to
you know, look over, so we can't hug all of
your time. One last question before we let you hop off.

(01:02:32):
Overall throughout the entire season, everything that you just lived through,
what was your rose and what was your thorn? My
rose was finding other really impactful women that are so
close to me, know, I mean, Ryan, Serena Peebree. We
have such a special bond that we just get what

(01:02:55):
each other went through and being able to we say
it every day because this season has been hard. The
season season has been super heavy, but when we're on
the FaceTime at the end, we always are like, I
would do it again, or this was all worth it
because I had that because I came out so yeah,
I didn't come out with Matt, but I came out

(01:03:15):
with three bomb best friends. That's yeah, our lifelong pro
pretty funny. Honestly, it's the best. It's the bass and
those girlfriends will get you through a lot of things.
So I'm so happy you had such a good experience
and you have another one coming up, and we were
so happy to talk to you. Yeah, Michelle, it has
been such a pleasure, so excited for everything to come

(01:03:39):
for just for the world to see your own love
story unfold, like it's going to be something so special.
I cannot wait. So thank you for joining us today.
Please stay in touch when I come back to Minnesota.
You know I'm gonna make you hang out with me.
We're gonna grab wine, we'll grab coffee, whatever it might be,
we will catch up. Oh right, Tasia, I it. I

(01:04:00):
have to say I have a girl crush on the show.
I know she really is like the sweetest thing, but
she's just so I don't know, it's not I don't
want to say like down to earth, because obviously she is,
but like it's just she's humble, she's quiet, she's kind
of like reserved, like this is all very shocking to her,
which I is that what it is. I'm just gonna

(01:04:21):
keep saying that. She just I mean even even the
second she stepped out of the limbo like that not
her I mean her night one, but not at the
top of the season, Like she just brought out this different,
like wow factor. I think with that and like we
saw it early on, like she was never one to
like be guarded. She's always been very open, very vocal,

(01:04:43):
like fun, playful, smart, like all the things wrapped up
into one. She is going to make such an incredible
bad setor I both heard Katy will like completely agree
he can't wait to see what this year has in store.
Like and after like the this last season, I mean,
it felt like it just was being dragged on and
on and on and yeah so much. I truly hope,

(01:05:05):
and I say this every season, but I truly hope
for her sake, like back to the basics, back to
that love story, like she deserves somebody, like so incredible. Um,
so I can't wait, you know, And hopefully she'll stay
in touch with us and we can bounce ideas off
with her and give her advice whenever she needs. I
feel like she's not going to hesitate to be shy

(01:05:26):
about reaching out to any of the Batcherets, which absolutely
no I could already seeing. I already see her being
part of the girl very quickly. So she did such
a phenomenal job and she's gonna I can't wait to
see her men, and like it hasn't even started yet.
We've gotta get through Katie first, but one na um,
it's gonna be great. But we also want to say, Matt,

(01:05:49):
thank you for being such an amazing bachelor, Like personally,
I thought you handled a lot of the situations with
such grace and as well as you could. Um. But
we're wishing you the very very very beast and however
that journey may look like. And I think he'll figure
it out. He's got to be good having shoulders. He
you know, he went through a wild ride on his season.
It's not something that I think he expected or anyone expected.

(01:06:12):
That was very clear during you know, his chats during Afar.
But he is smart. He I'm sure has learned a
great deal about just being vulnerable and expressing more feeling
and emotion and what he does and does not want
in a relationship. So, Matt, your journey in this regard
may have come to a close, but your journey in life,
I think is just starting. So go off, take care,

(01:06:35):
stay healthy. We wish you nothing but the best, and
we hope that you find what you're looking for one
day very soon. Also, I just want to say thank
you guys so much, and you Becca for taking me
in these past couple of weeks. It's been so much fun.
But your girl Rachel has come and actually we'll be
here next week for another episode as per usual. But
thanks for having me. This was so much fun. Titia.

(01:06:56):
It's always so great to have you. I love our
girl chats. You just brings something different and unique and
fresh to these conversations. And I mean you you are
the Batchel right that literally just lived through this, so
it's it was so good to have you on to
speak with Michelle, you know, to let her know kind
of what she's in store for because I'm a little
bit removed. I don't remember everything. I'm getting old, I'm
forgetting things in the page of money. So thank you

(01:07:19):
for coming, and you guys, one more time, I'm going
to say it again. Please, if you have any incredible
men in your life that you think would be a
great fit for Michelle, don't forget to sign them up
for the show. If you want to do that, you
can head to batchelornation dot com slash apply today. So
everyone out there listening, thank you for listening through this
entire season. I know it was a rollercoaster of everything,

(01:07:44):
and I always thank you for hanging out with us
each and every Tuesday. And a huge shout out to Michelle,
thank you for stopping by. I know that your life
is crazy busy and it's going to get even busier,
so we're so excited for you and we hope to
talk to you again very soon. And as always, you
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(01:08:05):
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