March 27, 2025 • 34 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we have Zoe returning to speak her truth! From her ticket to “Paradise” to her thoughts on the finale, we’re covering all things “Bachelor” and more. We kick off the episode by picking right back up where we left off with Zoe, getting her perspective on her journey, the drama, and the inside scoop on everything. Next, she shares her thoughts on the finale and who she believed was going to get Grant’s final rose. Plus, she talks about the “Women Tell All” and what she would have wanted to say if she had been there. And, of course, we discuss “Paradise” and who she’d like to see on the beach. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
And we are here today with our lovely guests. She's
been on this podcast before, but last time we talked
to her was episode two. Zoe, welcome back to Bachelor
Happy Hour.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Thank you for having me of course.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Okay, Zoe, so we got a lot to talk about
your you've been officially casting on Paradise Hometown's Fantasy Suite
the Finale. I know you have a lot to say.
Where would you like to kick this podcast off?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean one of those topics.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh, okay, we're starting at those topics. I mean there
was stuff even before that.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, let's go to the beginning. You want to just
go all the way through.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, I want to go all the way through. I
think some other people have been on podcasts like maybe
like Rewriting History. I think we saw obviously I got
a tough start into the house and to this whole journey,
I guess you could say. And I think since they
were allowed to talk about me at the tell, all
(01:09):
I want to clear up some things is that when
I took him to the rooftop, it was after like
five six hours of playing basketball. We all had a
chance to play with the kids, we all had a
chance to play with Grant and stuff, and then we
were playing the game, things did escalate and I was
one of the few people I was like, hey, girls, like,
let's just like back off a little bit and slow down.
(01:31):
When Beverly wasn't feeling well, I told her I goho
sit with Grant. Like, you know, I was always trying
to be aware of other people's feelings. And I feel like,
you know, most of the girls, they stood up for me,
and they will obviously tell you that now. But I
think and even the audience, you know, I've had people
DM me apologies and stuff. But yeah, I think it
(01:52):
was just a high stakes environment. A lot of things
were said to me and at me, and I think
that I actually handled myself a lot better and yeah,
and then I had to basically exist in that space
going forward. So I don't think it was kind. And
I think people saying that I misunderstood more than I
had to like fight my way back to be friendly
(02:12):
in the house. That's not the case, Like you don't,
it's not being misunderstood, it's that people judged me and
they were incorrect, and a lot of the girls apologist.
I also want that to be known. It's like I'm
great with everyone now, like Eli, Jo, Serphina, love them all.
But yeah, I think it was just a tough start,
and I think the audience didn't really get to see
the whole picture and like, you know, and then going
(02:35):
into episode two, it seemed like I was just like
crying because like, oh my god, I didn't get extra
time with Grant and that absolutely was not the case.
I'm such a type a person. I think people forget,
like I'm an engineer. I was working on Wall Street,
so I'm used to like getting the right answers. And
all the girls were so excited to see Hannah Burner,
but I was so excited to see Daniel from Shark Tank.
(02:58):
Like I was like, oh my god, take like I'm
you know, trying to win him over and I'm not
getting any rewards, and like it was such a large
group date, and by that time, Grant had already formed
connections with some people, so it was kind of like, oh,
like I'm drowning in like all aspects of this date.
And there were lots of comments made to me throughout
again between the first date and the second date, and
(03:20):
I didn't do anything to anyone outside of what Grant saw,
and he said he liked that I had taken him
to the rooftop the day that had happened, and so
it was just kind of like I was drowning, Like
that's why I was upset. And I also think that
like a lot of the girls had the same they were,
you know, on the same page, and I always want
to be the person like we don't all have to
(03:41):
think the same. So like me being like, no, I
didn't have fun today, Like it was just so stressful.
It was to open a dialogue for like anyone else
that was also feeling the same way. It wasn't like
oh my god, like look at me, like I need
the attention. And so I think, as we said, the
girls got to know me and they were like, yeah,
I think we just made thought one thing. And so
(04:03):
I think after that day and again even that night
when I told Grant I was not sitting there listing
off names and listening off grievances. It genuinely was like
I am fighting for my life in this house and
I want that to be known of like why my
energy has shifted on this date, and for him to
then come in and kind of drop the bomb and
(04:24):
not actually like support me in that situation was a
bit off guard. So like that's kind of why I
just like pulled away and kept to myself. But yeah,
I wanted that like to be critic and as I said,
all the girls after that night, a lot of them
either came up and apologized and or like we hashed
it out and we're good.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
You did you watch the women tall all?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I did?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, Okay, So that's one thing. That's one thing I'm
not a huge fan of when someone's.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Not I know, we were hoping we would have loved
to see them bring you just for a segment at
least because it it's it's hard for the girls because
they obviously are gonna have to speak gone what happened,
But then you can't have this like full dialogue that
includes you. And we did see Seraphina kind of try
to jump to your defense at points, but it's not
(05:09):
the same obviously as like words coming directly out of
your mouth.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I think words coming out of my mouth. But also
like to see that I don't have any issues with
anyone on that stage and I think that's the.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's not what it felt like watching it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's not well, first off, Ali Joe she allowed to
speak her piece. She was the one involved in this,
you know, and I'm glad that she got to stand
up for herself. I don't mind that another girl that
did need to give her two cents and what she
was saying wasn't true. I don't appreciate that. But I know,
and I think too, a lot of people don't want
to put the target on their back. So maybe people
(05:43):
who did agree with me or understood me, like aren't
going to speak up because they don't want to get
involved in the drama. But I think that is like
when people see like, oh, like I'm not I'm friends
with everyone, or the majority of people like it's not
like I'm just it's not the narrative of Bible not
in there to like not make a single friend. I'm
a very reserved person. I have been through very tough things,
(06:06):
and I've dealt with very you know, different situations where
it's just not been good to just be open and vulnerable.
And I think going into a place like this, when
we are literally all competing for the same prize, to
me it's not my natural instinct to be like, I'm
going to go in here and be best friends with
all of you and be fake, because that's just not me.
(06:27):
And there were some things that were being said at
the very first night. I was like, I don't really
like I don't vibe with so I kept to myself,
but at the same time in a respectful way, or
like in ways that I thought was being respectful. And
as I said, at the end of the day, when
I got to know people genuinely, then I'm genuine friends
with them, and I do love them and I want
to support them, and I'm so glad that we all
(06:48):
were in this process together. But that's the way I operate.
If someone else operates differently, that's not wrong. But if
my biggest flaw is being reserved and you know, keeping
to myself, I'll take that.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
What do you feel like the shift was from your
relationship with the girls in episode one and two to
kind of three, four or five. It feels like after
episode two things did start to look up and your
relationships did start to form well.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
As I staid from the jump, I expected people to
be like, oh, she's stealing him. She must like want
the attention. She like, must want all this time with him.
And as I said, when you were there and you understood,
we had been playing for five hours. It's not like
we just stepped foot the basketball court. Grant, can I
take you? That's disrespectful. It's not like I had the
one on one and then I'm taking him. That's disrespectful.
If I had kept doing it on other group dates,
(07:38):
which like the next financed it, I could have sat
beside him, I could have stolen him. But I didn't.
And so I think when people assumed that that's the
way that you operate and they're realizing that's not. As
I said, it was just to make my mark, let
him know that I'm here for him, and after that
everyone do their own thing, like and I think once
people realize, like, oh no, she is just like that
(07:59):
was it. That was the one thing that she wanted
to do and like you know, and at the same time,
all these girls saying I would do it. Guess what,
I made the top three. So maybe that is what
made my journey different than yours, and I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Speaking of making the top three, I think a big
story surrounding your story was the fact that you didn't
get a one on one date, and I think a
lot of people were like, I'm not giving you enough
credit for being there. Yeah, just almost like you were
by default, like it was you. Can you kind of
(08:33):
talk about that situation and your relationship with Grant and
stuff that we probably didn't see.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, I mean I think it well, first off, I've
seen a lot of like disrespect as far as that goes.
I think people forget that there's only one wife fiance
at the end of this and you're keeping people around
as like your relationship with them could change, it could
get on part with someone else's. So to sit here
and be like, oh she they have no chemistry, they
(09:01):
have nothing, or like he just wants her because she's attractive,
is like, really like insanely disrespectful. I am accomplished, I'm
well educated, I am driven, I am kind, I am
a great supportive partner. There were so many qualities and
Grant knew those. I think again, two out of like
ten of our conversations were included in the show, and
(09:24):
I think that's really unfortunate because as it does confuse
the audience. But I know the conversation we have Grant
knows the conversation we've had, neither one of us were
delusional that I was ever like his number one pick,
but not to speak on his behalf, but I think
we're in the same mindset of like, we're going to
keep giving it a chance until there's no more chances
to give. And for me, I'm like, I'm in this process,
(09:46):
and you know, there's only one bachelor that we can
choose from, and I wanted to give it my all
and I said to everyone, I'm like, I'm in this
one hundred percent. If I'm not, and I didn't get
that one on one. I didn't get that time to
see if this was or was not my person. But
the conversations we did have, and the one thing about
me is I make the most of every single situation
(10:07):
that I'm in, whether it is my job, my career, education,
this experience.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I think that came across too on the show, but yeah,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And so the conversation we had is like we had
fun conversations. That problem is like, yeah, we danced slow
dance and then I like had them trick him and
like thirty seconds in played get low and I'm dancing again.
Like it was such such a fought, like we were funny.
There was like banter, you know, I got deep. I
told him about my upbringing. We had talked about the future,
(10:39):
you know. I think our pivotal conversation was the last
one in Spain where we were talking about the future
and again not as like this is my man, but
like it could be. And I think we both were
in that boat. And I think, as he said, if
he's already had one on ones with people he knows
are not going to be his wife, and we haven't
(10:59):
had that opportunity, of course, like give me the chance.
And so I think that's what we both were doing.
And you know, and for me meeting the family, like
it's a big deal. But I don't know. I guess
I'm a little delusional, Like I'm like I don't care,
like you know, like I'll get married tomorrow if I
meet the right person. So, as I said, we started
up to be on the Bachelor. This is not the
(11:20):
craziest thing in the world that you could get engaged
without having a one on one, you know. So I
don't know that Again, that's just the way I think
a lot of the girls were so hesitant even when
we were in Madrid being like, I don't think I
could get engaged at the end of this, I'm like,
oh no, I just need one day. If I had
the right conversation, I need one day. So I think
that different mindset and the different way of dating, you know,
(11:43):
meets me to be a love bombs sometimes, but like,
I don't know, I like it. I'm fine with you no.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
And I also think people that haven't been on the show,
it's easy for them to say, like, and everyone's different.
Some people couldn't do it, but some people would probably
surprise themselves and be like, oh yeah, no, I actually
maybe I could do it. You know, it's such an
unusual experience. But so looking back, I think a lot
of people felt like surprised or confused as to how
you got all the way to fantasy suitees based on
(12:09):
the little we saw of your relationship and those conversations.
Were you surprised at all or were you like, no,
this totally makes sense to me. I have clarity and
where we're at.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Oh no, I mean I was insecure throughout the entire
process as far as where I was on the radar.
You know, he never gave me like some reassurance like
you're the one or anything like that, and it was
kind of the opposite. But I felt why I kept
having to prove myself and my intentions is he actually
(12:44):
kept like every conversation questioning my intentions, questioning if I
was emotionally available, if I had depth, if I could
be loyal when we got outside of here, which is
absolutely crazy. If you know me and like my friends,
like I'm the most loyal, sincere, authentic person, you will
find I'm not gonna say yes your proposal. I'm not
(13:05):
in this for the game. I'm not in this for
the TV show. I'm in it for a husband, And
you know, I think that is why I kept pushing
and trying so hard in a way that I would
not be doing in the real world, because I'm like,
if this is my man and this is our one opportunity,
me not having a one on one at the end
of the day, like we'll get you know, we'll get married,
it doesn't matter. We have a lifetime of one on ones.
(13:27):
But I think knowing my qualities and knowing that connection
that we had, as I said, I think I knew
until the end that like we were both giving it
a chance. Yeah, And I think it's just he only
needs to pick.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
On right, So what why do you think he was
Why do you think he was questioning your loyalty?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I think there's something about me where people like always
assume I'm different than I am. I feel like maybe
you guys, even when you probably watched the episode too,
you're like, oh gosh, like this girl's not made a
far like she's you know, just very very I'm a
very confident woman. I'm driven and like I think that
can come again. And I came in, I'm I'm already modeling.
(14:10):
I live in New York City, you know. I think
I'm the archetype of someone who could just be here
for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
For what we've seen maybe in the past on the
show exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And so I think in his head his biggest fear
was choosing someone who was here for the wrong reason.
I think we forget he was on gen season where
we had the biggest like dupe of as so far
as I know, in like Bachelor history. So I think
him coming off the back of that, I was probably like,
you know, fearing that like maybe people like me were
(14:42):
doing the same, and I'm like, no, like I'm I'm
I'm already living my life. I am successful in these industry.
I genuinely just want a husband from this experience, like
anything else great, but like I'm not thinking about those
other things.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And and then I think, at any point did you
start to question if he was your person? Like if
he's constantly questioning you and your character, were you at
any point like hmm, maybe I don't know or were you,
Like I'm going to keep progressing this forward until you
know the end because.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We do we actually we hear you say near the end,
like you've asked me so much, but like I don't
I don't know if I know enough about you.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I don't think I was ever like questioning, like in
the sense of like, oh, I need to leave this experience,
like he's not my person because as I said, until
the very end, so we didn't get that time. And
so and maybe this is also like the bad part
of the trauma that I have of like feeling like
I have to constantly like prove myself and like not
(15:46):
staying up for myself in a situation like this, But
I was we hadn't had that time where I could
be definitively like this is not my person. If I'm
being totally a good man and he's husband material and
he's looking for a wife, like, then let me just
stick it out and we get that time together. And
I knew worst case scenario when you have an entire
night with someone with no cameras. I'm going to get
(16:08):
the answers that I need. And ultimately after overnights, I
stood on business before we went to overnights, and I
my conversation with him was not let me know more
about you. It was I've been given the short end
of the stick in this experience. You knew that I
told you I was being bullied or like you know,
put down and was not feel uncomfortable, and you kept
(16:29):
having me on these large group dates and competitive situations,
never gave me that opportunity to just open up and
be vulnerable on a one on one time and were
questioning me throughout this process. And I'm still here. And
if I was here for the wrong reasons, I would,
you know, have left not getting that one on one
in the fancy date. And he apologized, you know, and
(16:49):
I said, like, that's not the behavior that I would
take going outside of here. I'm willing to accept it
because this is a one time situation, and so that
was kind of the turning point for me. I was like,
I don't want my man to think that I'm not
worthy of romance and you know, kind gestures and to
(17:09):
be his number one pick, and you know, I think
we got to overnights. So we were talking for hours, and.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
This is during this is during overnight.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
No, this is before we went to overnight's. And so
this is just the epitome of my experience on that side.
I'm extremely rachnophobic. We're having this like like uh relationship,
all during conversation, We've been in it for like a
couple hours. All of a sudden, I see a caravan
looking down and then in my line of sight was
(17:46):
my number one fear was a tarantula crawling around outside.
I've never seen one in my life. I was no,
and it was not like it's not funny me out.
I had a full blown panic attack. I'm crying, I'm shaking,
I'm like the heck out of here. I cannot stay here.
And they were like, well, this is where your overnight
was supposed to be. And I was like, oh no, no, no, no,
(18:07):
like I need to leave.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
He was inside like outside.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh so it was like the most like insane thing,
like Grant was comforting me, and like ultimately like we
were allowed to go to a different location for our overnight.
But I think that ultimately not only put me like
in this like high stress, but it took away a
couple hours of our like overnight. But by that point
(18:31):
we had a conversation. We had our conversations, and I
think that was the point I realized, oh, like, I
don't think this is my man Like it was not
what I was hoping to get out of the conversation.
I don't feel like I was being seen as my
full person. I felt like I was being seen in
like one category versus another category. And I need someone
(18:53):
who loves and wants to accept all of me. And
so when I left the overnight, I was this was
the first time I was I don't think I would
say yes if he gave me a rose. And ultimately,
like I didn't have to come to that decision. And
another you think.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You were did you think you were going to potentially
have to come to that decision or did you kind
of know it wasn't you?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, so I had a I thought it was one
hundred percent Latia.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
That was going to end up with him or get
sent home.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now, that was going to end up with him, Okay, okay.
And so I'm at the end of the day, I'm like,
it's a fifty to fifty chance that I get the
second rose. And but I was like, there was nothing
life changing about our night. So I'm like, I just
I generally I had no clue because I'm still here.
I don't know what I don't. You don't get to
see other people's relationships other than Latilla kept getting validated,
(19:44):
and that was obvious.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Did you know? Did you see that though, because you're
saying like you saying one hundred percent is pretty like
you're you're an analytical person. You said you've worked on
Wall Street. If you're throwing one hundred percent out there,
what evidence do you have to back that?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Well, this is it. And what I think people don't
realize is Juliana and I were in the same boat
up until Scotland, right. I mean, obviously she knows her
conversation that I had. I know the conversation I had.
But as far as like validation, Latia got the first
group day rose. Latia got a three on one. Latia
was hand selected for the one on one from the
(20:20):
three on one and then she got the final one
on one, and just knowing her she's an amazing woman,
I'm like, oh, like it has to be her, like
you know, like so, and we only had so many.
He had only had so many one on ones this season,
which is the only reason why I was not so
salty about not having one. There were only what seven
(20:40):
of them?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, it was the super short season.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, And so to my knowledge and based on our conversation,
I was thinking, it's one hundred percent Latilla. But he
obviously you know, but maybe he wants you know, you
just don't know what people are thinking. And so I
was just like, I don't know, it might be me,
it might not be me, like to be said, and
I was like, I don't know if I would say yes.
(21:03):
But they also I didn't want to take away his
power as the Bachelor, which people may or may not
think is right. Like people are like, well I would
have just left. Well if he's having me here, like,
I don't want to take away his power or make
him regret having me here. And then like he could
have furthered his relationship with like Dina, you know what
I mean. Yeah, And it's also.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
So short, like you have your overnight, and like typically
in the real world, if you're having like doubts on
if this is your person, you talk to them for
another week or two, you go on another date, you
like talk to your friends, whereas like literally you're in
a rose ceremony two days later.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Probably oh no, no, no, I'm sorry, no, no, no, My
overnight was last.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh you had the last one?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Okay, yeah, so I was the last overnight, yes, And
so it was less than twelve hours before the Roastummer.
So that's why I was like I'm getting ready. I'm
like thinking, and I'm like I don't know where my
head's at. And that's also like knowing I had the
last one, like well he's already wort with the other
two and like, well we're still going and trying. So
I was, I don't know. I was just by that
point was just very confused about where I was in
(22:08):
this process. And I think, as I said, I don't
I have never really watched the show. I've seen snippets
here and there, and like maybe a season a year
or two after it's aired, So I don't know, I
was just kind of there and I was like, I
want to give it a chance, and I don't want
to stop my blessing if this is meant to be
my person. So that was the first time I think
of this entire time. I was like, if I don't
(22:28):
get a rose, I'm not going to be like I
didn't get to see this through.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Right, You're like, maybe my journey is coming to an end.
And if I don't get a rose, that's just a
sign he's not my person.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah. The Taransla was the first sign.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, the Taransla you need to meet. You'll meet Hakeem
in Paradise because we know he's going to and you
guys can bond over your rachnophobia.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
They're definitely gonna put something's gonna happen with you.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
No, yeah, you guys.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
You mentioned you mentioned earlier in the conference. I want
to talk a little bit about the latia of it
all from last night, but you mentioned you have stuff
to say about the Carolina situation of everything. What is
your opinion on.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
All of that, from the season to what you watched
at the Women Tell All to now maybe if there's
been more.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, so I think and because The thing I don't
like is that I'm being looped in on like we
did the same thing, and therefore I should be defending her.
That's not the case. What actually happened is the same
woman who kept attacking me twice on two group dates
attempted to attack Carolina off camera after the rose ceremony.
(23:36):
And I straight up said, we're not doing that. No
one stood up for me. But I'm gonna go who.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Is this woman? You don't want to say?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And I said, we're not doing that. We have all
been it's been a long day, we've been drinking. We're
gonna go to bad and we'll talk about this when
we're sober. So I did stand up for her. I said,
we're not What you did was wrong. She had the rose,
she took very long time during the cocktail party. Girls
went home that didn't did not get to speak to
(24:05):
him or were speaking about her when they were getting
sent home. So girls had the right to be upset
the same way they had the right to be upset
about me. But we also need to be kind when
we're addressing our frustrations with one another. And so I
did stick up for her. I don't but and then
the other thing that was she's I think she rubbed
(24:28):
every person the wrong way continuously, whether or not you
were on her dates. So it started with that, and
then it went to what she was having on and
off camera conversation. So we're like, what are you talking
about an off camera conversation. We're on a show, So
that part I think rubbed some of us the wrong
way with the girls and that, and then wouldn't tell
(24:51):
us what the drama was about. So we're like, well,
you just monopolize all of our time, and now you're
trying to have certain conversations on camera and certain conversations
off camera. That's kind of calculating. So we did not
like that. She was like wanted selfies, wanted to stop
the bus on the way to our group day to
take a photo of herself. Was But my final straw
(25:16):
was we were trying to kindly talk to her. As
you saw, Juliana took her away because we didn't want
to attack her in a group let her know what
was happening. We come back and we're just like kindly saying,
these are the kind of the things we've been seeing
one by one, no voices raised, no cussing, no one
talking over her giving her a chance to speak, and
her initial reaction was, y'all are attacking me? Why are
(25:39):
you attacking me? Zoe? I stood up for you. Why
are you talking about? Like? This is not an attack, girl,
Like this is accountability, it's not an attack, and it's
not even accountablity was just a we're telling you questions
and our concerns.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, so we do have Carolina coming on for an interview.
I'm Bachelor Happy Hour shortly. What would you hope to
see from kro Lena in that interview after watching the
season back as well as how she handled women?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Tell all you know, I hope just like accountability. I
think all we've we've seen her blame grant, We've seen
her blame production, We've seen her complain about the format
of the show. We all agreed to go on it,
we all did and behave in the ways that we
didn't and behave. And I think that it's just like
(26:35):
just to stop with the digs and just to say like, hey,
I could have done this differently, or maybe I should
have just left if I wasn't in this one hundred percent, yeah,
and just move on.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, all right, So let's let's cut to the finale.
You're someone, you were there, you probably know better than
everyone watching. Letia ends up being sent home. Now you're
you're saying you one hundred percent thought it was Latia.
It seemed like Lytia one hundred percent thought it was her.
(27:11):
What are your thoughts on everything? And Latia essentially said Grant,
I mean led her on the entire way, all the
way up until the end. And did Letia ever open
up to you about how much Grant was talking her
up and validating her and basically making it seem like
(27:33):
she was the one?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
So I think that she is one hundred percent valid.
I don't at this point in time. I can't quite
tell you if it was intentionally malicious that he said
these things and he was in the back of his
head thinking, you know, he had a different number one,
or he just got caught up and trying to be
a kind bachelor. I will say the way that he's
(27:58):
kind of acted so we've left filming was a bit
different than the man that he was showing us while
we were filming, you know, And I think specifically for
me to be questioned about my intentions, it's a bit
ironic and for that. I don't love that. I don't
love how he has spoken about the two of us
(28:22):
and all the women since leaving. I think that he
can just acknowledge the facts and the reality of what
we were in You're allowed to change your mind, You're
allowed to have said maybe you shouldn't have said these things,
or maybe you should have done less, and you can
just say that you were like caught up. You know.
I'm grateful that I didn't feel led on, but I
(28:44):
think she's one hundred percent valid to feel that way.
I think that the same thing with Carolina, Like it's
better to just acknowledge the facts of what happened, own
up to it, and move on, like instead of like
not even rewriting history. Right, there's reality, there's TV, and
(29:05):
there's reality TV. Just because things were not aired does
not mean they did not happen, Right, So I think
that we need to remember that and just we're all people,
and we were all this is all of our first experiences,
you know, And yeah, so I just I really don't
appreciate and I don't think she appreciates what happened since
(29:28):
we left, and I assume she probably feels gas lit,
which I would too.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
It sounds like the time between filming and everything airing
was probably really stressful and tense for a lot of reasons.
Once cameras dropped at the end of AFR and the
season officially has wrapped, what was the energy like in
the room amongst everyone.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I think we were all glad it was over. I
think it's for some of us it's been a much
more tumultuous and you're like, you know, I didn't even
know I was like relentlessly cyberbullid for like the first
two or three weeks of this show air, like completely unjustified,
and then her having to deal with this huge public
heartbreak and probably embarrassment, and also like you're tied to
(30:19):
him until you're off the show, so it's kind of
like this really long process of like rehashing old wounds
over and over and over, and you kind of can't
move on until it's all said to done. And at
this point where two days removed, so you know, I
think we can all finally get back into reality. But
I think it was tough. I think it's tough for her,
But she is a beautiful, confident woman who is going
(30:41):
to find her man, and I think him and Julianna
are great for each other and they you know, will
hopefully have a happy, long relationship, and I think like
it makes sense and we're happy for them. I think
it was just like the process was just confusing to
a lot of us.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Do you think they will You think Juliana and Grant
will make it?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I you know, I only know parts of them. As
I said, I think Grant have a lot of pressures
on his shoulders to be the Bachelor. I think maybe
he behaved and said things that he maybe was trying
to be a certain persona than who he really is.
But if she's supporting, you know, his desire to do
(31:26):
music and you know, be a little bit more on
socials and doing and saying these things, then good for
her girl, and good for them. I hope they laugh
like I love love, and yes, as long as they're
genuine with each other.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Okay, I was gonna say, before we let you go,
we have to quickly chat about you had a hot
seat at the end of the night, which was so exciting.
We see that you're officially invited to go to Paradise,
and we also get an announcement that some of the
Golden can test we see Leslie and Gary come out,
(32:01):
are going to be joining as well. Give us all
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I'm excited me to Paradise. I thurvive in an ocean setting.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Do you have your eyes on anyone?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Okay, so not really because as I said, I didn't
watch this like I don't watch the show, Like I
was just thrown into this space. So I kind of
did a little bit of research Screenshartus and like random name,
but like this guy's kind of cute, but like I
don't know no one like one hundred percent, But there's
some cute guys and fascination so we'll see hopefully not
(32:36):
a TikToker though, I like a man with the job.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Knowing what you know now about your experience on The Bachelor,
where is your headspace going into Paradise.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, A lot of people ask me like, aren't you
like this was not a great experience for you? But
I do love the people running Paradise, and I now
know what Bachchin Nation is like outside of here, and
I also am grateful that it's like I don't have
to just go in there looking to chase some man
and like breed my up my insecurities like I can
(33:12):
go in there as a confident woman, and if these
meant like if my person's out there, I don't feel
like like I have to like prove myself to one person.
And I'm excited for that to have more power and autonomy.
And I also think like there's more love and like
couples that come out of it because there's like a
better chance. So I just want my person. I want
(33:33):
a husband, and so I'm really excited for that potential
and hopefully this would be my love story. Kay.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We hope so too.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, we're excited for you. Thank you so much for
taking the time out of your day and talking with us,
and yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, thanks so ya.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Thank you guys, and.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Thank you to all our listeners. Thank you for tuning
into Better Happy Hour. Make sure you stay tuned, download
and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Thanks for listening. Bye.
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
And we are here today with our lovely guests. She's
been on this podcast before, but last time we talked
to her was episode two. Zoe, welcome back to Bachelor
Happy Hour.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Thank you for having me of course.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Okay, Zoe, so we got a lot to talk about
your you've been officially casting on Paradise Hometown's Fantasy Suite
the Finale. I know you have a lot to say.
Where would you like to kick this podcast off?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean one of those topics.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh, okay, we're starting at those topics. I mean there
was stuff even before that.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, let's go to the beginning. You want to just
go all the way through.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, I want to go all the way through. I
think some other people have been on podcasts like maybe
like Rewriting History. I think we saw obviously I got
a tough start into the house and to this whole journey,
I guess you could say. And I think since they
were allowed to talk about me at the tell, all
(01:09):
I want to clear up some things is that when
I took him to the rooftop, it was after like
five six hours of playing basketball. We all had a
chance to play with the kids, we all had a
chance to play with Grant and stuff, and then we
were playing the game, things did escalate and I was
one of the few people I was like, hey, girls, like,
let's just like back off a little bit and slow down.
(01:31):
When Beverly wasn't feeling well, I told her I goho
sit with Grant. Like, you know, I was always trying
to be aware of other people's feelings. And I feel like,
you know, most of the girls, they stood up for me,
and they will obviously tell you that now. But I
think and even the audience, you know, I've had people
DM me apologies and stuff. But yeah, I think it
(01:52):
was just a high stakes environment. A lot of things
were said to me and at me, and I think
that I actually handled myself a lot better and yeah,
and then I had to basically exist in that space
going forward. So I don't think it was kind. And
I think people saying that I misunderstood more than I
had to like fight my way back to be friendly
(02:12):
in the house. That's not the case, Like you don't,
it's not being misunderstood, it's that people judged me and
they were incorrect, and a lot of the girls apologist.
I also want that to be known. It's like I'm
great with everyone now, like Eli, Jo, Serphina, love them all.
But yeah, I think it was just a tough start,
and I think the audience didn't really get to see
the whole picture and like, you know, and then going
(02:35):
into episode two, it seemed like I was just like
crying because like, oh my god, I didn't get extra
time with Grant and that absolutely was not the case.
I'm such a type a person. I think people forget,
like I'm an engineer. I was working on Wall Street,
so I'm used to like getting the right answers. And
all the girls were so excited to see Hannah Burner,
but I was so excited to see Daniel from Shark Tank.
(02:58):
Like I was like, oh my god, take like I'm
you know, trying to win him over and I'm not
getting any rewards, and like it was such a large
group date, and by that time, Grant had already formed
connections with some people, so it was kind of like, oh,
like I'm drowning in like all aspects of this date.
And there were lots of comments made to me throughout
again between the first date and the second date, and
(03:20):
I didn't do anything to anyone outside of what Grant saw,
and he said he liked that I had taken him
to the rooftop the day that had happened, and so
it was just kind of like I was drowning, Like
that's why I was upset. And I also think that
like a lot of the girls had the same they were,
you know, on the same page, and I always want
to be the person like we don't all have to
(03:41):
think the same. So like me being like, no, I
didn't have fun today, Like it was just so stressful.
It was to open a dialogue for like anyone else
that was also feeling the same way. It wasn't like
oh my god, like look at me, like I need
the attention. And so I think, as we said, the
girls got to know me and they were like, yeah,
I think we just made thought one thing. And so
(04:03):
I think after that day and again even that night
when I told Grant I was not sitting there listing
off names and listening off grievances. It genuinely was like
I am fighting for my life in this house and
I want that to be known of like why my
energy has shifted on this date, and for him to
then come in and kind of drop the bomb and
(04:24):
not actually like support me in that situation was a
bit off guard. So like that's kind of why I
just like pulled away and kept to myself. But yeah,
I wanted that like to be critic and as I said,
all the girls after that night, a lot of them
either came up and apologized and or like we hashed
it out and we're good.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
You did you watch the women tall all?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I did?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, Okay, So that's one thing. That's one thing I'm
not a huge fan of when someone's.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Not I know, we were hoping we would have loved
to see them bring you just for a segment at
least because it it's it's hard for the girls because
they obviously are gonna have to speak gone what happened,
But then you can't have this like full dialogue that
includes you. And we did see Seraphina kind of try
to jump to your defense at points, but it's not
(05:09):
the same obviously as like words coming directly out of
your mouth.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I think words coming out of my mouth. But also
like to see that I don't have any issues with
anyone on that stage and I think that's the.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's not what it felt like watching it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's not well, first off, Ali Joe she allowed to
speak her piece. She was the one involved in this,
you know, and I'm glad that she got to stand
up for herself. I don't mind that another girl that
did need to give her two cents and what she
was saying wasn't true. I don't appreciate that. But I know,
and I think too, a lot of people don't want
to put the target on their back. So maybe people
(05:43):
who did agree with me or understood me, like aren't
going to speak up because they don't want to get
involved in the drama. But I think that is like
when people see like, oh, like I'm not I'm friends
with everyone, or the majority of people like it's not
like I'm just it's not the narrative of Bible not
in there to like not make a single friend. I'm
a very reserved person. I have been through very tough things,
(06:06):
and I've dealt with very you know, different situations where
it's just not been good to just be open and vulnerable.
And I think going into a place like this, when
we are literally all competing for the same prize, to
me it's not my natural instinct to be like, I'm
going to go in here and be best friends with
all of you and be fake, because that's just not me.
(06:27):
And there were some things that were being said at
the very first night. I was like, I don't really
like I don't vibe with so I kept to myself,
but at the same time in a respectful way, or
like in ways that I thought was being respectful. And
as I said, at the end of the day, when
I got to know people genuinely, then I'm genuine friends
with them, and I do love them and I want
to support them, and I'm so glad that we all
(06:48):
were in this process together. But that's the way I operate.
If someone else operates differently, that's not wrong. But if
my biggest flaw is being reserved and you know, keeping
to myself, I'll take that.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
What do you feel like the shift was from your
relationship with the girls in episode one and two to
kind of three, four or five. It feels like after
episode two things did start to look up and your
relationships did start to form well.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
As I staid from the jump, I expected people to
be like, oh, she's stealing him. She must like want
the attention. She like, must want all this time with him.
And as I said, when you were there and you understood,
we had been playing for five hours. It's not like
we just stepped foot the basketball court. Grant, can I
take you? That's disrespectful. It's not like I had the
one on one and then I'm taking him. That's disrespectful.
If I had kept doing it on other group dates,
(07:38):
which like the next financed it, I could have sat
beside him, I could have stolen him. But I didn't.
And so I think when people assumed that that's the
way that you operate and they're realizing that's not. As
I said, it was just to make my mark, let
him know that I'm here for him, and after that
everyone do their own thing, like and I think once
people realize, like, oh no, she is just like that
(07:59):
was it. That was the one thing that she wanted
to do and like you know, and at the same time,
all these girls saying I would do it. Guess what,
I made the top three. So maybe that is what
made my journey different than yours, and I'm grateful for that.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Speaking of making the top three, I think a big
story surrounding your story was the fact that you didn't
get a one on one date, and I think a
lot of people were like, I'm not giving you enough
credit for being there. Yeah, just almost like you were
by default, like it was you. Can you kind of
(08:33):
talk about that situation and your relationship with Grant and
stuff that we probably didn't see.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, I mean I think it well, first off, I've
seen a lot of like disrespect as far as that goes.
I think people forget that there's only one wife fiance
at the end of this and you're keeping people around
as like your relationship with them could change, it could
get on part with someone else's. So to sit here
and be like, oh she they have no chemistry, they
(09:01):
have nothing, or like he just wants her because she's attractive,
is like, really like insanely disrespectful. I am accomplished, I'm
well educated, I am driven, I am kind, I am
a great supportive partner. There were so many qualities and
Grant knew those. I think again, two out of like
ten of our conversations were included in the show, and
(09:24):
I think that's really unfortunate because as it does confuse
the audience. But I know the conversation we have Grant
knows the conversation we've had, neither one of us were
delusional that I was ever like his number one pick,
but not to speak on his behalf, but I think
we're in the same mindset of like, we're going to
keep giving it a chance until there's no more chances
to give. And for me, I'm like, I'm in this process,
(09:46):
and you know, there's only one bachelor that we can
choose from, and I wanted to give it my all
and I said to everyone, I'm like, I'm in this
one hundred percent. If I'm not, and I didn't get
that one on one. I didn't get that time to
see if this was or was not my person. But
the conversations we did have, and the one thing about
me is I make the most of every single situation
(10:07):
that I'm in, whether it is my job, my career, education,
this experience.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I think that came across too on the show, but yeah,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And so the conversation we had is like we had
fun conversations. That problem is like, yeah, we danced slow
dance and then I like had them trick him and
like thirty seconds in played get low and I'm dancing again.
Like it was such such a fought, like we were funny.
There was like banter, you know, I got deep. I
told him about my upbringing. We had talked about the future,
(10:39):
you know. I think our pivotal conversation was the last
one in Spain where we were talking about the future
and again not as like this is my man, but
like it could be. And I think we both were
in that boat. And I think, as he said, if
he's already had one on ones with people he knows
are not going to be his wife, and we haven't
(10:59):
had that opportunity, of course, like give me the chance.
And so I think that's what we both were doing.
And you know, and for me meeting the family, like
it's a big deal. But I don't know. I guess
I'm a little delusional, Like I'm like I don't care,
like you know, like I'll get married tomorrow if I
meet the right person. So, as I said, we started
up to be on the Bachelor. This is not the
(11:20):
craziest thing in the world that you could get engaged
without having a one on one, you know. So I
don't know that Again, that's just the way I think
a lot of the girls were so hesitant even when
we were in Madrid being like, I don't think I
could get engaged at the end of this, I'm like,
oh no, I just need one day. If I had
the right conversation, I need one day. So I think
that different mindset and the different way of dating, you know,
(11:43):
meets me to be a love bombs sometimes, but like,
I don't know, I like it. I'm fine with you no.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
And I also think people that haven't been on the show,
it's easy for them to say, like, and everyone's different.
Some people couldn't do it, but some people would probably
surprise themselves and be like, oh yeah, no, I actually
maybe I could do it. You know, it's such an
unusual experience. But so looking back, I think a lot
of people felt like surprised or confused as to how
you got all the way to fantasy suitees based on
(12:09):
the little we saw of your relationship and those conversations.
Were you surprised at all or were you like, no,
this totally makes sense to me. I have clarity and
where we're at.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Oh no, I mean I was insecure throughout the entire
process as far as where I was on the radar.
You know, he never gave me like some reassurance like
you're the one or anything like that, and it was
kind of the opposite. But I felt why I kept
having to prove myself and my intentions is he actually
(12:44):
kept like every conversation questioning my intentions, questioning if I
was emotionally available, if I had depth, if I could
be loyal when we got outside of here, which is
absolutely crazy. If you know me and like my friends,
like I'm the most loyal, sincere, authentic person, you will
find I'm not gonna say yes your proposal. I'm not
(13:05):
in this for the game. I'm not in this for
the TV show. I'm in it for a husband, And
you know, I think that is why I kept pushing
and trying so hard in a way that I would
not be doing in the real world, because I'm like,
if this is my man and this is our one opportunity,
me not having a one on one at the end
of the day, like we'll get you know, we'll get married,
it doesn't matter. We have a lifetime of one on ones.
(13:27):
But I think knowing my qualities and knowing that connection
that we had, as I said, I think I knew
until the end that like we were both giving it
a chance. Yeah, And I think it's just he only
needs to pick.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
On right, So what why do you think he was
Why do you think he was questioning your loyalty?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I think there's something about me where people like always
assume I'm different than I am. I feel like maybe
you guys, even when you probably watched the episode too,
you're like, oh gosh, like this girl's not made a
far like she's you know, just very very I'm a
very confident woman. I'm driven and like I think that
can come again. And I came in, I'm I'm already modeling.
(14:10):
I live in New York City, you know. I think
I'm the archetype of someone who could just be here
for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
For what we've seen maybe in the past on the
show exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And so I think in his head his biggest fear
was choosing someone who was here for the wrong reason.
I think we forget he was on gen season where
we had the biggest like dupe of as so far
as I know, in like Bachelor history. So I think
him coming off the back of that, I was probably like,
you know, fearing that like maybe people like me were
(14:42):
doing the same, and I'm like, no, like I'm I'm
I'm already living my life. I am successful in these industry.
I genuinely just want a husband from this experience, like
anything else great, but like I'm not thinking about those
other things.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And and then I think, at any point did you
start to question if he was your person? Like if
he's constantly questioning you and your character, were you at
any point like hmm, maybe I don't know or were you,
Like I'm going to keep progressing this forward until you
know the end because.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We do we actually we hear you say near the end,
like you've asked me so much, but like I don't
I don't know if I know enough about you.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I don't think I was ever like questioning, like in
the sense of like, oh, I need to leave this experience,
like he's not my person because as I said, until
the very end, so we didn't get that time. And
so and maybe this is also like the bad part
of the trauma that I have of like feeling like
I have to constantly like prove myself and like not
(15:46):
staying up for myself in a situation like this, But
I was we hadn't had that time where I could
be definitively like this is not my person. If I'm
being totally a good man and he's husband material and
he's looking for a wife, like, then let me just
stick it out and we get that time together. And
I knew worst case scenario when you have an entire
night with someone with no cameras. I'm going to get
(16:08):
the answers that I need. And ultimately after overnights, I
stood on business before we went to overnights, and I
my conversation with him was not let me know more
about you. It was I've been given the short end
of the stick in this experience. You knew that I
told you I was being bullied or like you know,
put down and was not feel uncomfortable, and you kept
(16:29):
having me on these large group dates and competitive situations,
never gave me that opportunity to just open up and
be vulnerable on a one on one time and were
questioning me throughout this process. And I'm still here. And
if I was here for the wrong reasons, I would,
you know, have left not getting that one on one
in the fancy date. And he apologized, you know, and
(16:49):
I said, like, that's not the behavior that I would
take going outside of here. I'm willing to accept it
because this is a one time situation, and so that
was kind of the turning point for me. I was like,
I don't want my man to think that I'm not
worthy of romance and you know, kind gestures and to
(17:09):
be his number one pick, and you know, I think
we got to overnights. So we were talking for hours, and.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
This is during this is during overnight.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
No, this is before we went to overnight's. And so
this is just the epitome of my experience on that side.
I'm extremely rachnophobic. We're having this like like uh relationship,
all during conversation, We've been in it for like a
couple hours. All of a sudden, I see a caravan
looking down and then in my line of sight was
(17:46):
my number one fear was a tarantula crawling around outside.
I've never seen one in my life. I was no,
and it was not like it's not funny me out.
I had a full blown panic attack. I'm crying, I'm shaking,
I'm like the heck out of here. I cannot stay here.
And they were like, well, this is where your overnight
was supposed to be. And I was like, oh no, no, no, no,
(18:07):
like I need to leave.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
He was inside like outside.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh so it was like the most like insane thing,
like Grant was comforting me, and like ultimately like we
were allowed to go to a different location for our overnight.
But I think that ultimately not only put me like
in this like high stress, but it took away a
couple hours of our like overnight. But by that point
(18:31):
we had a conversation. We had our conversations, and I
think that was the point I realized, oh, like, I
don't think this is my man Like it was not
what I was hoping to get out of the conversation.
I don't feel like I was being seen as my
full person. I felt like I was being seen in
like one category versus another category. And I need someone
(18:53):
who loves and wants to accept all of me. And
so when I left the overnight, I was this was
the first time I was I don't think I would
say yes if he gave me a rose. And ultimately,
like I didn't have to come to that decision. And
another you think.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You were did you think you were going to potentially
have to come to that decision or did you kind
of know it wasn't you?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, so I had a I thought it was one
hundred percent Latia.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
That was going to end up with him or get
sent home.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now, that was going to end up with him, Okay, okay.
And so I'm at the end of the day, I'm like,
it's a fifty to fifty chance that I get the
second rose. And but I was like, there was nothing
life changing about our night. So I'm like, I just
I generally I had no clue because I'm still here.
I don't know what I don't. You don't get to
see other people's relationships other than Latilla kept getting validated,
(19:44):
and that was obvious.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Did you know? Did you see that though, because you're
saying like you saying one hundred percent is pretty like
you're you're an analytical person. You said you've worked on
Wall Street. If you're throwing one hundred percent out there,
what evidence do you have to back that?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Well, this is it. And what I think people don't
realize is Juliana and I were in the same boat
up until Scotland, right. I mean, obviously she knows her
conversation that I had. I know the conversation I had.
But as far as like validation, Latia got the first
group day rose. Latia got a three on one. Latia
was hand selected for the one on one from the
(20:20):
three on one and then she got the final one
on one, and just knowing her she's an amazing woman,
I'm like, oh, like it has to be her, like
you know, like so, and we only had so many.
He had only had so many one on ones this season,
which is the only reason why I was not so
salty about not having one. There were only what seven
(20:40):
of them?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, it was the super short season.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, And so to my knowledge and based on our conversation,
I was thinking, it's one hundred percent Latilla. But he
obviously you know, but maybe he wants you know, you
just don't know what people are thinking. And so I
was just like, I don't know, it might be me,
it might not be me, like to be said, and
I was like, I don't know if I would say yes.
(21:03):
But they also I didn't want to take away his
power as the Bachelor, which people may or may not
think is right. Like people are like, well I would
have just left. Well if he's having me here, like,
I don't want to take away his power or make
him regret having me here. And then like he could
have furthered his relationship with like Dina, you know what
I mean. Yeah, And it's also.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
So short, like you have your overnight, and like typically
in the real world, if you're having like doubts on
if this is your person, you talk to them for
another week or two, you go on another date, you
like talk to your friends, whereas like literally you're in
a rose ceremony two days later.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Probably oh no, no, no, I'm sorry, no, no, no, My
overnight was last.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh you had the last one?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Okay, yeah, so I was the last overnight, yes, And
so it was less than twelve hours before the Roastummer.
So that's why I was like I'm getting ready. I'm
like thinking, and I'm like I don't know where my
head's at. And that's also like knowing I had the
last one, like well he's already wort with the other
two and like, well we're still going and trying. So
I was, I don't know. I was just by that
point was just very confused about where I was in
(22:08):
this process. And I think, as I said, I don't
I have never really watched the show. I've seen snippets
here and there, and like maybe a season a year
or two after it's aired, So I don't know, I
was just kind of there and I was like, I
want to give it a chance, and I don't want
to stop my blessing if this is meant to be
my person. So that was the first time I think
of this entire time. I was like, if I don't
(22:28):
get a rose, I'm not going to be like I
didn't get to see this through.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Right, You're like, maybe my journey is coming to an end.
And if I don't get a rose, that's just a
sign he's not my person.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah. The Taransla was the first sign.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, the Taransla you need to meet. You'll meet Hakeem
in Paradise because we know he's going to and you
guys can bond over your rachnophobia.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
They're definitely gonna put something's gonna happen with you.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
No, yeah, you guys.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
You mentioned you mentioned earlier in the conference. I want
to talk a little bit about the latia of it
all from last night, but you mentioned you have stuff
to say about the Carolina situation of everything. What is
your opinion on.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
All of that, from the season to what you watched
at the Women Tell All to now maybe if there's
been more.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, so I think and because The thing I don't
like is that I'm being looped in on like we
did the same thing, and therefore I should be defending her.
That's not the case. What actually happened is the same
woman who kept attacking me twice on two group dates
attempted to attack Carolina off camera after the rose ceremony.
(23:36):
And I straight up said, we're not doing that. No
one stood up for me. But I'm gonna go who.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Is this woman? You don't want to say?
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And I said, we're not doing that. We have all
been it's been a long day, we've been drinking. We're
gonna go to bad and we'll talk about this when
we're sober. So I did stand up for her. I said,
we're not What you did was wrong. She had the rose,
she took very long time during the cocktail party. Girls
went home that didn't did not get to speak to
(24:05):
him or were speaking about her when they were getting
sent home. So girls had the right to be upset
the same way they had the right to be upset
about me. But we also need to be kind when
we're addressing our frustrations with one another. And so I
did stick up for her. I don't but and then
the other thing that was she's I think she rubbed
(24:28):
every person the wrong way continuously, whether or not you
were on her dates. So it started with that, and
then it went to what she was having on and
off camera conversation. So we're like, what are you talking
about an off camera conversation. We're on a show, So
that part I think rubbed some of us the wrong
way with the girls and that, and then wouldn't tell
(24:51):
us what the drama was about. So we're like, well,
you just monopolize all of our time, and now you're
trying to have certain conversations on camera and certain conversations
off camera. That's kind of calculating. So we did not
like that. She was like wanted selfies, wanted to stop
the bus on the way to our group day to
take a photo of herself. Was But my final straw
(25:16):
was we were trying to kindly talk to her. As
you saw, Juliana took her away because we didn't want
to attack her in a group let her know what
was happening. We come back and we're just like kindly saying,
these are the kind of the things we've been seeing
one by one, no voices raised, no cussing, no one
talking over her giving her a chance to speak, and
her initial reaction was, y'all are attacking me? Why are
(25:39):
you attacking me? Zoe? I stood up for you. Why
are you talking about? Like? This is not an attack, girl,
Like this is accountability, it's not an attack, and it's
not even accountablity was just a we're telling you questions
and our concerns.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, so we do have Carolina coming on for an interview.
I'm Bachelor Happy Hour shortly. What would you hope to
see from kro Lena in that interview after watching the
season back as well as how she handled women?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Tell all you know, I hope just like accountability. I
think all we've we've seen her blame grant, We've seen
her blame production, We've seen her complain about the format
of the show. We all agreed to go on it,
we all did and behave in the ways that we
didn't and behave. And I think that it's just like
(26:35):
just to stop with the digs and just to say like, hey,
I could have done this differently, or maybe I should
have just left if I wasn't in this one hundred percent, yeah,
and just move on.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, all right, So let's let's cut to the finale.
You're someone, you were there, you probably know better than
everyone watching. Letia ends up being sent home. Now you're
you're saying you one hundred percent thought it was Latia.
It seemed like Lytia one hundred percent thought it was her.
(27:11):
What are your thoughts on everything? And Latia essentially said Grant,
I mean led her on the entire way, all the
way up until the end. And did Letia ever open
up to you about how much Grant was talking her
up and validating her and basically making it seem like
(27:33):
she was the one?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
So I think that she is one hundred percent valid.
I don't at this point in time. I can't quite
tell you if it was intentionally malicious that he said
these things and he was in the back of his
head thinking, you know, he had a different number one,
or he just got caught up and trying to be
a kind bachelor. I will say the way that he's
(27:58):
kind of acted so we've left filming was a bit
different than the man that he was showing us while
we were filming, you know, And I think specifically for
me to be questioned about my intentions, it's a bit
ironic and for that. I don't love that. I don't
love how he has spoken about the two of us
(28:22):
and all the women since leaving. I think that he
can just acknowledge the facts and the reality of what
we were in You're allowed to change your mind, You're
allowed to have said maybe you shouldn't have said these things,
or maybe you should have done less, and you can
just say that you were like caught up. You know.
I'm grateful that I didn't feel led on, but I
(28:44):
think she's one hundred percent valid to feel that way.
I think that the same thing with Carolina, Like it's
better to just acknowledge the facts of what happened, own
up to it, and move on, like instead of like
not even rewriting history. Right, there's reality, there's TV, and
(29:05):
there's reality TV. Just because things were not aired does
not mean they did not happen, Right, So I think
that we need to remember that and just we're all people,
and we were all this is all of our first experiences,
you know, And yeah, so I just I really don't
appreciate and I don't think she appreciates what happened since
(29:28):
we left, and I assume she probably feels gas lit,
which I would too.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
It sounds like the time between filming and everything airing
was probably really stressful and tense for a lot of reasons.
Once cameras dropped at the end of AFR and the
season officially has wrapped, what was the energy like in
the room amongst everyone.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I think we were all glad it was over. I
think it's for some of us it's been a much
more tumultuous and you're like, you know, I didn't even
know I was like relentlessly cyberbullid for like the first
two or three weeks of this show air, like completely unjustified,
and then her having to deal with this huge public
heartbreak and probably embarrassment, and also like you're tied to
(30:19):
him until you're off the show, so it's kind of
like this really long process of like rehashing old wounds
over and over and over, and you kind of can't
move on until it's all said to done. And at
this point where two days removed, so you know, I
think we can all finally get back into reality. But
I think it was tough. I think it's tough for her,
But she is a beautiful, confident woman who is going
(30:41):
to find her man, and I think him and Julianna
are great for each other and they you know, will
hopefully have a happy, long relationship, and I think like
it makes sense and we're happy for them. I think
it was just like the process was just confusing to
a lot of us.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Do you think they will You think Juliana and Grant
will make it?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
I you know, I only know parts of them. As
I said, I think Grant have a lot of pressures
on his shoulders to be the Bachelor. I think maybe
he behaved and said things that he maybe was trying
to be a certain persona than who he really is.
But if she's supporting, you know, his desire to do
(31:26):
music and you know, be a little bit more on
socials and doing and saying these things, then good for
her girl, and good for them. I hope they laugh
like I love love, and yes, as long as they're
genuine with each other.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Okay, I was gonna say, before we let you go,
we have to quickly chat about you had a hot
seat at the end of the night, which was so exciting.
We see that you're officially invited to go to Paradise,
and we also get an announcement that some of the
Golden can test we see Leslie and Gary come out,
(32:01):
are going to be joining as well. Give us all
your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I'm excited me to Paradise. I thurvive in an ocean setting.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Do you have your eyes on anyone?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Okay, so not really because as I said, I didn't
watch this like I don't watch the show, Like I
was just thrown into this space. So I kind of
did a little bit of research Screenshartus and like random name,
but like this guy's kind of cute, but like I
don't know no one like one hundred percent, But there's
some cute guys and fascination so we'll see hopefully not
(32:36):
a TikToker though, I like a man with the job.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Knowing what you know now about your experience on The Bachelor,
where is your headspace going into Paradise.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, A lot of people ask me like, aren't you
like this was not a great experience for you? But
I do love the people running Paradise, and I now
know what Bachchin Nation is like outside of here, and
I also am grateful that it's like I don't have
to just go in there looking to chase some man
and like breed my up my insecurities like I can
(33:12):
go in there as a confident woman, and if these
meant like if my person's out there, I don't feel
like like I have to like prove myself to one person.
And I'm excited for that to have more power and autonomy.
And I also think like there's more love and like
couples that come out of it because there's like a
better chance. So I just want my person. I want
(33:33):
a husband, and so I'm really excited for that potential
and hopefully this would be my love story. Kay.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We hope so too.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, we're excited for you. Thank you so much for
taking the time out of your day and talking with us,
and yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, thanks so ya.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Thank you guys, and.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Thank you to all our listeners. Thank you for tuning
into Better Happy Hour. Make sure you stay tuned, download
and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Thanks for listening. Bye.
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