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June 13, 2024 34 mins

With Justin behind bars, the Rutherford family tries to move forward. But grief and anxiety loom large. Meanwhile, Justin plots a way out of jail with the help of an unlikely accomplice – his elderly godmother. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I remember sitting there crying, and I was like, this
child who you called yours, This is the child that
you loved so much, and you want him burned in
a barrel. How disgusting.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm Andrea Gunning. This is Betrayal, Season three, episode four,
Him or Me, Doctor Justin Rutherford never expected to be incarcerated.
He seemed genuinely surprised to be in jail. Stacy and
her family had moved back to the Virginia area to

(00:46):
be closer to family and friends. Justin's godmother, Nanny Dee,
had done the same. He wrote frequent letters to Nanny.
She looked after him as a child and had always
been there for him as an adult. She did not
believe the accusations against him. He shared his complaints with
her about the lack of amenities in jail.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
The only chairs here are hard as well as the beds.
And this is probably TMI, but the diet they give
us caused me the worst constipation. It really makes things terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Once Tyler came forward, the Burkes County District Attorney's office
was able to build a strong case against Justin. There
was a good chance he could be sentenced to decades
in jail, and that was largely because of what Tyler
was able to share during his forensic interview.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I don't remember if it was Detective Fick or Weaver,
one of them I had spoken to, and they said
they were so proud of Tyler because they had never
seen a child, or heard a child give such a
detailed interview as far as how much information he recalled.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
As a trial date drew closer, Justin's letters to family
and friends grew more frenzied.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Nanny call around to some of the lawyers below, explain
my charges and deal that was offered, which is basically
fifteen to thirty or open plea, see if they think
they could do better, and see if they would do
pro bono or reduced fee due to money already spent

(02:21):
on current lawyer.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Justin's father had an adopted daughter.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Justin wrote to her, it's been a while since we
have spoken. I miss you and the fam so much.
I feel like we were the closest and you came
to visit regularly. I am curious what you think of

(02:48):
all of this shit. This is a compliment. You were
always the shadiest in our group of siblings, and I
was wondering if you still have contacts into the shady realm.

(03:08):
Send me the answer through text on the tablet, but
don't mention the question, as everything is recorded through text
and phone. If the answer is yes, I will send
you another letter with more info. Please keep this between us. Please.
On the contrary, if you think I'm a piece of

(03:30):
shit who deserves to be here, just ignore this letter.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
She ignored it.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Nanny, however, stayed in regular contact with Justin, and he
sent her many letters from jail like this.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I can't live life knowing I won't be able to
be with my kids until they are adults, that I
was a failure and not given a chance at redemption.
And honestly, if it comes down to it, I guess
I'll have to take the pain away myself. I don't

(04:08):
want it to end that way, but I literally can't
do it. I'm not strong enough to serve so long.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Justin was doing anything he could to get out of
the Burkes County jail where he was awaiting trial. Tyler
was in a kind of jail as well, a jail
that Justin had built.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
When the abuse was going on. That was just my
normal day to day life. I didn't think much of it.
It was just how things went and it was expected
to happen. It wasn't a shock. I was used to it.
I was trained, and I finally had time to deal
with all those motions away from justin. It was like

(04:55):
my first time actually trying to get through it on
instead of just like be numb to it or whatnot.
All the emotions they just flood into your mind, flood
into your body. It's just overwhelming, over stimulating. Anything is
gonna set you off. It's like you have a short fuse.

(05:18):
At least it was for me.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Stacey wanted to do something nice for the kids to
get away from the whole mess at home, so she
took them to Disney World. It's called the happiest place
on Earth, but for Tyler it was anything.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
But everyone smile on their faces, and like in my head,
it was a completely different atmosphere. It was like I
was in a different spot. Like Stranger Things, how they
have the upside down, That's where I was. I mean,
I was in the same place, but in my mind,
I was in a different atmosphere. A few nights, I

(05:57):
was just sitting on the balcony by myself. Everyone was inside.
I just wanted to jump because we were about like
four or five stories up, Like I didn't really want to,
but I guess I just I didn't see another way
to stop the anxiety. It was so bad. That was

(06:18):
just like a way to switch it off and know.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Going back at Disney, Tyler started fearing for his little
brother and sister, the lines, throngs of people everywhere.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
He still carries that with him.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
I just I worry with the littles being in public.
I hate when they run off. I don't like them
being more than like a foot from me, But I
just worry so much. I don't know if it's fear
of them getting hurt, fear of somebody taking them, but
when they're in public, I want them to be raped
by either me or my mom's side, and nowhere else.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
He appreciated his mom trying to show the kids a
good time after all they'd been through, but the anxiety
was unrelenting, punishing. It followed Tyler when he was awake, asleep.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
It didn't matter. Tyler had a.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Great therapist, but that weekly meeting was no match for
the pervasive thoughts that plagued him.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Twenty four to seven.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
I definitely struggled with both depression and anxiety, but to me,
anxiety was my killer. They just seemed like there was
no way to get by it. This was about a
week after the Disney trip. I was at school. It
was just a normal day, and I started to have

(07:39):
some pretty bad anxiety I would say more so like
a panic attack, Like my heart was beating really fast,
and the thoughts were just going left and right in
my head, going crazy, and I just I couldn't shake
it no matter what I did. It was terrible. It
lasted all the way till I got back home. I'm like,
damn it, I'm ten hours into this and it's just

(08:01):
getting worse and worse. So I decided I was gonna
take matters into my own hands. That day, I wanted
to kill myself, but I didn't want my family to
know I tried to do that or hurt them, so
I tried to make it look natural, like a heart
attack and down like a whole tub of pre workout
Jim energy drinks and whatnot. You're usually supposed to take

(08:24):
like a scoop, Like two scoops is too much and
your heart's going crazy. So I wouldn't say I downed
the whole tub, but I definitely tried to down as
much as I could in a short period of time,
and that just made it even worse, to the point
where it literally felt like my heart was going to
come out of my chest, like I thought I was dying.

(08:46):
So I called my sister.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
I got the phone call. It was a FaceTime video
from him. He's crying and he's like, I'm scared. My
chest feels funny, and he's like I took something. I
made him stay on the phone with me, and Ems

(09:10):
got there.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
Mom got there, They sent the paramedics. They said I
was all right, I would just have a very fast
heart rate for a while.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Was all the caffeine.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
They took him to the hospital and then that's when
he got admitted.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Tyler was admitted into a mental health facility in Virginia
with a reputable youth program.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Not only did Justin ruin his childhood, but now he
doesn't even want to live on this earth. I felt
like he had took enough from him, and I think
that's what made me angry, is he knew how much
my kids meant to me. If Tyler would have died,
I say I probably would have just jumped with him,

(09:56):
because I don't know how parents live without their kids.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
I stayed there for I think about eight days, and
the whole time just went through therapy.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
The impatient program gave him helpful strategies to deal with
his anxiety.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
They gave us a bunch of like papers and handouts
to keep. It had like good coping mechanisms on there.
I kept that paper and took it with me wherever
I went.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Tyler recognized his treatment as an opportunity.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
You just gotta want it, because there's definitely kids in
there who didn't want it and therefore didn't help them
like it did me. Like I know a kid who
said he'd been in and out of him for like
six years, and then after you go so many times,
they make you stay longer and longer. And he was
telling me his last stand one was like nine months.

(10:53):
So I saw that and took that as a sign
that I need to learn what I need to learn
and get it out of here and go live my life.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Tyler was determined to make strides in his mental health.
He didn't want this to be the rest of his life.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
I honestly thought it was like a good break from
life like. I actually enjoyed it because it was just
calm and it helped teach me a lot.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Tyler told me that he still has some rough patches
and weeks of feeling bad, but he's doing much better
and suicide doesn't.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Enter his mind anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Stacy and Tyler had a lot of dates to deal with,
meetings with prosecutors and court appearances. A few months after
Tyler finished his treatment. In about two years after Justin
was arrested, there was.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
A special day.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Stacy's whole family was looking forward to the August twenty
twenty three wedding of Stacy's eldest daughter, Mikayla, to her
long time boyfriend Tommy. There was a lot of joy
leading up to the wedding, but it was also a
time of reflection. Justin's absence was deeply felt. Even with
the knowledge of his crimes. Mikaela was like his daughter.

(12:14):
She called Justin debt.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
She felt cheated for Father's Day one year, I said,
when I'm old enough and find the right man who
loves me the way that you do, well, you walk
me down the aisle. Some nights we would be planning
and I would cry. It's like a missing piece, but
also like I don't want that piece here.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Mikila walked a fine line between feeling excitement for her
big day and respecting the grief around her.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
It was hard for me to be truly happy with it,
like oh, I'm getting married because everyone around me is miserable,
and here I am like, oh.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
What color do you want to wear to my wife?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
When the day finally came, the whole family rose the occasion.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Just talking about it makes Stacy emotional.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Michayla's wedding was beautiful in August. There was so much
joy that day, and that was a day that was
going to be really hard for me. That ended up
not not at all like and that was I get
one hundred percent say a god thing because you know
it just it was.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
A beautiful day.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
They were all dressed beautifully, they danced. Mikayla and Tommy
are a great couple. It was a celebration of them,
a family, of survival, of making it this far for.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
A window of a weekend. I think we just forgot
about things like I would have just loved to live
in that weekend in Michayla's wedding because that was our
first time where we just had fun. We didn't think
about it, we didn't talk about it, like today's a
day and being joyful and new beginnings. And there's a

(14:00):
lot missing that day, but there was also so much more.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
While the family reveled in a new chapter of love,
Justin continued steing in jail. A trial was just months away.
Now he knew he couldn't stay there. He organized his
thoughts and came up with three strategies to avoid prisent
options one, two, and three. Option one had been mentioned

(14:27):
in his letters with both Stacy and Nanny.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
The option was suicide.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Though Stacy didn't fall for Justin's threats to take his life,
it probably hurt Nanny much more. Option two was mentioned
but still vague. We'll return to that later. And then
there was option three, persuading Tyler to recant his statement
to detectives.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Dear Nanny, thank you for trying option three. If you could,
please try to continue to push for him to drop it.
Here's why I can't go to trial, and they say
there's too much evidence. It is true that I did
the camera. I have an issue with voyeurism. It's true.

(15:13):
Please keep this to yourself.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Finally, an admission that he did put the camera in
the house.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
The camera is basically what screwed me, because there is
no evidence otherwise for the rape charges. I do swear
to you, Nanny, that I never raped anyone. So basically
I should be serving maybe a year for my true crimes,
but instead may end up serving much more. I'm not

(15:47):
gonna lie. I got myself in a pickle, but please
don't let me serve time that is unjust.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
This is hard to stomach.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I got myself in a pickle as something you say
when you make plans with two different friends on the
same night, not a phrase when you use to describe
these kinds of charges.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
He continues, I would be institutionalized and have no way
to ever retire. It's literally the worst ending to my
life I could imagine. Please keep trying option three because
we're approaching the line of no return. Love Justin.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Sergeant Fick found the relationship between Nanny Dee and Justin puzzling.

Speaker 8 (16:36):
I listened to a lot of jail house calls from
her and Justin.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Their communication did not sound like an aunt and nephew
or godmother and godson.

Speaker 8 (16:45):
I mean, there's times they talked like their husband and wife.
I was confused by that. I know she supports Justin.
He has a lot of people Fulden's family.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Meg McCallum, the lead Assistant District Attorney of Burke's County,
was busy preparing for true she was assigned to prosecute
the case.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
I have been specifically doing sexual assault prosecution for ten
and a half years now. When it comes forward, these
families are devastated because, unfortunately, nine times out of ten,
what we were seeing is that it was somebody very close,
if not a family member, who has committed these crimes

(17:25):
against these children. It is hard because there's that part
of them that you love, that you have grown a relationship,
grown this family with. It's not all bad, and it's
similar with domestic violence victims, where the cycle just kind
of keeps going because he was doing good, kind, helpful things,

(17:47):
and those parts of him that were not hidden were
the good parts and were probably genuinely good to them.
But he obviously had this side that nobody would have anticipated,
nobody would have expected him to do where he was
raping this little boy since he was tiny.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Ada McCallum pointed out that there are times when these
cases can't be prosecuted.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
Sometimes I have to make the hard decision where I
don't believe a child is going to be able to
make it through the process, or I just don't think
that we're going to be able to get a beyond
the reasonable doubt verdict, and so sometimes those cases are
not approved. That's actually probably the hardest thing that I
have to do, because then I have to tell that
family it's not the time for this.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
And what about Tyler? Could he make it through a trial?

Speaker 7 (18:42):
There was no question based on my review of his
interview and his discussions with my detectives, and even when
I met him at the preliminary hearing, he was going
to be okay and would have.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Just and got what he wanted. And Tyler didn't testify.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
If Tyler didn't cooperate, and if Tyler wasn't willing to
testify in this case at a trial, we would not
be able to convict Justin Rutherford of the crimes for
his conduct against Tyler. In Pennsylvania, specifically, I have to
call child victims to testify unless there is some other
evidence where it's videotaped or something like that, or somebody

(19:22):
witnesses it. In order to sustain my convictions. And so,
because sexual offenses occur secretly, they happen for a very
long time. We have almost no evidence ever, other than
the victim's own words. Their words become the most important
thing for the prosecution.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
The District Attorney's office had solid evidence against Justin. They
believed he needed to be held accountable for his crimes
and kept off the streets, so they made a plea offer.
Justin found the offer unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Dear Nanny, I am so sad that you want me
to take this deal. I don't understand how you think
it is okay for me to be in here for
fifteen thirty years. Do you think I'm guilty? Do you
not believe me? I mean, I know it's not your

(20:20):
fault I'm in here, but I thought you would do
everything you could to prevent this injustice. I don't know
how you sit there idly by and watch as he
takes everything, not just for me, but you and the kids.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
He takes everything the he is Tyler.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
He is a sixteen year old boy who has just
lost everything. According to Justin, Tyler was doing this to him,
to Nanny d and the kids, and Nanny wasn't doing
anything about it.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
I lost my wife, house, car job. If I took
this deal, I would not only lose my kids since
I would not be out until they were adults, but
I would lose my career. I would never practice medicine
again if they had my DNA or an eyewitness but

(21:27):
literally they have nothing.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
If Justin thought nothing of Tyler's testimony, why was he
trying so hard to have him recant.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
You always said you would do anything for me. You
could negotiate other terms such as money, treatment, etc. I'll
complete treatment and never contact him if he recants and
doesn't testify. I know I'm putting you in a difficult
spot and it's not something I like to do. But Nanny,

(22:01):
this is not fair, and you know it. I am
backed into a corner with nowhere to go. I just
can't take the pain of not being there for you
and the kids, the pain of being labeled, you know what,
the pain of losing my reputation career, and the pain

(22:24):
of being a failure bad father.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
In these letters, Justin emotionally torments his godmother Nanny. He
uses suicide and dying as a negotiation tactic. The blood
would be on her hands Justin must have thought that
would work on Nanny. He knew that she really loved him.

(22:53):
Time was running out for Justin. His court date was approaching.
He realized that Option three's waiting Tyler to recant was
not going to happen. He didn't seem too eager to
pull the trigger on option one, taking his own life.
He was ready to deploy option two. He wrote to Nanny.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Even the Bible is full of God smiting one's enemies,
for example, David versus Goliath. At this point, you have
to choose a side. It's either me or him.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
He should have known that the police monitored his communication,
but at that point he didn't seem to care. He
was done being reasonable.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I really need you to do this, and I mean asap.
Look I have tried every other way. I'm not saying
you have to do it personally.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Was he really suggesting what I think he is suggesting.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I am done fucking around. The offer they gave me
is the same as this twenty three year old kid
who stabbed his mother sixty plus times, all because of
stories that were made up after the camera thing went down.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
He even suggested this.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Go downtown Martinsburg and look for a druggie, just get
it done. Offer less than ten thousand pay after cash.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Any old druggie would do to kill Tyler. Remember this
man was a doctor. Justin always told Nanny he loved
her and would look after her and his letters, but
he seemed quite willing to risk her freedom.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Nanny, I am asking you to trade your few remaining
years for my forty plus. That is, if you do
it obviously, talk to no one else and ask for
a lawyer immediately if questioned.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
And if she could find a willing assassin. He offered
guidance on the best time to approach the target.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I recommend after work, but you do it how you wish.
This is not the road I wanted, but it is
the one that must be taken. It's either that.

Speaker 8 (25:35):
Or me.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
In case Nanny wasn't taking the suicide threat to heart.
He concluded the letter with his own obituary.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Thirty three year old male with so much potential good doctor,
good father, wrongfully accused survived.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Nanny wasn't going to find someone to kill Tyler.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
He would take the matter into his own hands and
find someone on the inside.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
What was Justin offering money?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Of course, other inmates probably thought he was rich since
he was a doctor.

Speaker 8 (26:14):
He just basically said, you know, when I get out
of here, I'll make sure that you're comfortable.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Justin would do anything, anything to save himself. The details
were all in the affidavid of probable cause. The affidavid
says Rutherford wrote down the victim's address, his schedule, the
car he operates, his interests in other personal identifying information.

(26:41):
Rutherford also drew a floor plan of the victim's residents.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
It continues.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Through the use of covert recording devices, investigators were able
to intercept communications Rutherford made while incarcerated at Burke's County
Jail system. During this interception, and investigators heard Rutherford discuss
having the victim murdered. During the interception, Rutherford stated that
a Monday night after seven pm would be the best time,

(27:11):
as it is dark and no one else would be home.
Rutherford stated to use gloves and to wear layers of
clothing so no DNA is found. Rutherford stated, as soon
as you knock him out, it's painless and no evidence.
The affidavit also contained Justin's instructions for disposing the body.

(27:32):
Rutherford also stated that the victim could be buried in
the forest somewhere. Rutherford also stated that the victim could
be burned in a barrel, as this would be like
a cremation and is also a good way to get
rid of any evidence.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
It was all on tape.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Sergeant Fick had suspected that Justin wouldn't just try to
persuade his godmother nanny.

Speaker 8 (28:00):
We got possession of the jail house letters. I wanted
to arrest him for that. At that point, we were
told they felt we needed more. I went to other
state prisons and interviewed individuals that were cellmates and on
the block with Justin, and they all told me that's
all he would talk about. But the good news is

(28:22):
we did have the chance to use an informant to
obtain information how he wanted to have Tyler killed.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
They caught a break.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Another prisoner whose release date was near came forward. He
was disturbed by Justin's persistent solicitation of him to kill
Tyler when he was released.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
At first, the informant didn't believe Justin.

Speaker 8 (28:45):
He thought he was joking, because when you're in there
you have nothing else to do, you're going to blow
steam off. I wish he was dead. I get it,
but he went too far. He did not just say
I wish he was dead, or you know, I wish
someone would kill him. He actually gave details, giving him
a layout of the home, what it looks like, Tyler's interests,

(29:08):
and you know, explain different scenarios on how to kill him.
Make sure that there's no evidence. He stepped way over
that line.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Justin knew the layout of the home where Tyler was living,
the Knights, he worked, where his room was in the
new house. How In the last episode, Stacy explained that
she allowed the littles to send and receive letters from
Justin in jail, but there was more. Stacy also permitted
Justin to have video calls with them.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's how he drew the map. The kids video chatted
and wanted to show him their new house. You know,
you thought you were doing the right thing. You know,
what could it harm letting him talk to the little ones?
But then the whole time he was like plotting this
stuff in the back.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Stacey didn't want Tyler to be in the house during
these calls.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I would say, Tyler's not home this night, he's got
a work. That'd be a great night for you to
call so like he knew his work schedule. Because of that,
I never thought twice about, oh my god, I just
told him that he's at work.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Detectives drove down to Stacy's home from Brooks County to
tell her about Justin's plot in person.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I remember sitting there crying, and I was like, this
child who you called yours, This is the child that
you loved so much, and you want him burned in
a barrel. How disgusting. He knew how much my kids
mean to me, and you were okay taking that. You
were okay taking another thing from me, You were okay

(30:44):
taking another thing from your two children, their brother. It
was sick to think that the person that loved him
so much was willing to get rid of him to
save his own self. So from that point on, I
slept for the loaded gun next to my bed. I mean,
I was going to shoot to kill if he was

(31:04):
coming after me and my kids. When Tyler would come
home from work, I would stay up and wait, especially
on Monday nights, because it was supposed to be done
on a Monday night. Monday nights were really bothersome for me,
but I couldn't stop for the longest time. Waiting up

(31:26):
and watching for him to come in.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Justin thought he was smarter than everyone, but he wasn't
smarter than the Burkes County detectives. They planted a recording
device and captured evidence of his plans to kill Tyler.
Justin had exhausted his options, an option one seemed more
like a ruse to manipulate nanny. Now, Assistant District Attorney
Meg McCallum had a new option of her own, and

(31:51):
it was one Justin probably never saw coming.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
Charges were brought against Justin Rutherford for a solicitation to
commit a murder, specifically of Tyler, and I legally and
ethically believe that we had sufficient evidence to prove it
beyond a result out.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
On the next episode of Betrayal, Stacey and Tyler finally
get their day in court.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I wanted to look at him because I wanted him
to see my face when I was reading what I
said to.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Him, and Justin's words shock everyone.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
It had nothing to do with your age. I mean,
love can strike you at any point, you know, look
at Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
If you're a man who has experienced sexual abuse or assault,
or you know someone who is seeking support, go to
one in six dot org. That's the number one I
n number six dot org. Find a path to a happier,
healthier future. If you would like to reach out to
the Betrayal team, email us at betrayalpod at gmail dot com.

(33:03):
That's Betrayal Pod at gmail dot com.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Also, please be.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Sure to follow us at Glass Podcasts on Instagram for
all Betrayal content, news and updates.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
We're grateful for your support.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
One way to show support is by subscribing to our
show on Apple Podcasts, and don't forget to rate and
review Betrayal. Five star reviews go a long way. A
big thank you to all of our listeners. Betrayal is
a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group,
in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The show is executive produced

(33:36):
by Nancy Glass and Jennifer Fason, hosted and produced by
me Andrea Gunning, written and produced by Kerry Hartman, also
produced by Ben Fetterman. Associate producers are Kristin Melcury and
Caitlin Golden. Our iHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Crincheck.
Voice acting by Andrew Dabby. Special thanks to Stacy Rutherford

(33:58):
Tyler and the rest of Stacy and Tyler friends and family.
Audio editing and mixing by Matt Talfekio editing support from
Nico Aruka. Betrayals theme composed by Oliver Bains. Music library
provided by mybe Music and For more podcasts from iHeart,
visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

(34:19):
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