July 11, 2024 • 47 mins
17-year-old Kaitlyn Coones is a runaway from a group home in Canton, Ohio, and is staying with Jonathon Jones, 33, at his mother's residence. Nicole Jones, 53, mother of Jonathon Jones, is unaware that her son has snuck a teen into his bedroom. Days later, Kaitlyn Jones calls a case worker at the Canton group home informing her she has done something terrible and is on the road with Jonathon Jones. Canton Police call for a welfare check and officers discover Nicole Jones has vanished. Jones car, her son Jonathon, and Kaitlyn Coones are also missing.
In this episode of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe explains what evidence, recovered by investigators, lead police to say Nicole Jones is dead Dave Mack goes behind the headlines explaining the relationship dynamic between Jonathon Jones and Kaitlyn Coones to determine if the teen is a victim, a suspect, or both.
Transcript Highlights
00:00:03 Introduction – teen kidnapped, mother missing, convicted son being sought
00:04:47 Discussion of missing mom’s car tracked to Arizona and New Mexico
00:07:52 Talk about attention focus when child is involved
00:11:47 Discussion of 33-year-old man sneaks teen into his bedroom
00:16:59 Discussion of Jonathon Jones and Kaitlyn Coones
00:22:29 Talk about Nicole Jones being murdered in kitchen
00:27:18 Discussion of circumstantial evidence
00:32:30 Discussion about rock used as murder weapon
00:36:44 Talk about Kaitlyn Coones giving Jonathon Jones 5 hours to kill
00:40:03 Discussion of using GPS to track movement of suspects
00:42:03 Discussion of blood and hair evidence
00:44:02 Discussion of Jonathon Jones failure to disarm GPS tracker
00:45:51 Talk about focus on Kaitlyn Coones being underage victim and suspect
00:46:56 Conclusion Nicole Jones body will never be found, Jones and Coones are in prison
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Body does, but Joseph's gotten more. It's an understatement nowadays,
in particular, to say that we have a problem in
this country relative to children who are being kidnapped or trafficked,
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or that just simply vanish into thin air. As a parent,
as a daddy, as a papa, it sends a chill
up my spine every time one of these cases appears
in the news, and I think that for most of us,
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we take at face value what the media might tell
us about a particular case and about a child that
has gone missing. However, as in life, things are not
always as they seem. We're going to have a discussion
(01:15):
about one of the more disturbing cases that I've come
across in some time, relative to a missing teen and
an older man who has allegedly taken her and fled
(01:38):
to Mexico. Oh and by the way, this is body bags,
and of course there's a death that we have to
talk about, the death of that man's mother that turns
out to be a homicide. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and
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this his body backs. I have been plagued throughout my
life as a parent, and I think a lot of
this has to do Dave, with the profession that I
was in. I've been plagued by fear, fear that something
was going to happen to my kids, that some great
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harm was going to come to them.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You know, we were recently at at crime Con, Dave,
and uh we got we got to see mister Walsh
up on stage and the stuff that you know, that
catalyst for him, you know, that started his his journey.
Uh boy, what a journey when his son, you know,
(02:43):
went missing, Adam, and you know kind of you know,
the whole that's foundationally, that's what his organization has been
built upon in America's most wanted, you know, looking for
these kids that are out there that have seemingly vanished
into in air or trying to track down these folks
that have done great harm to members of our fellow citizens.
(03:10):
And you know, you hear that theme that runs over
and over again. But you know, today, this case, this case,
it has put us, you and I kind of on
a twisted path from a narrative, And I'd really like
to get into this and kind of discuss first off,
the victim in this case, because the victim is and
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it's kind of overshadowed by some of the other circumstances.
The victim is a mother. She's a mother to a
man that still lives at home with her. He's in
his thirties, and she's vanished and presumed to be dead.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And you know, the when we started looking at this story,
it actually was well the way it was originally reported
in the news media. A thirty three year old man
has kidnapped a seventeen year old girl, a teen and
(04:11):
has fled to Mexico in his mother's car, and his
mother can't be found. That was your headline. That was
the breathless reporting. This seventeen year old girl is now
in harm's way. And where is Nicole Jones, the fifty
three year old mother of Jonathan Jones. Where are these
You know what's going on? You know you got us
(04:32):
marshals looking for this guy because they've tracked Nicole Jones'
car again. She's the victim here. They don't know where
she is. She's missing. They've tracked her car being driven
by her son down into Arizona and now in New Mexico.
I did something very quickly because you and I when
(04:54):
we started looking at this case, you know, you're.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Looking at it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
From the end, you know, starting at the very end
where you have a resolution, and it just seems well, okay,
a murder, but not a whole lot there other than
a murder. And as you peel the onion, you realize
for those living in Canton, Ohio and in that area,
(05:20):
they've covered this story since day one when it began
with how many times has the story begun with? Could
you go make a call? Check on Joe Scott Morton,
check on my mom. I don't know. I can't get
her on the phone, you know, I haven't seen her.
And that's what happened with Nicole Jones.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
A welfare check. Yep, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, And these welfare checks oftentimes are part of our
story when we begin telling it. And in this particular case,
it was Nicole Jones fifty three year old mother whose
thirty three year old son lives with her. And there
was I'm trying to remember exactly how to get into this,
(06:03):
there was a girl that was raised in foster care.
Her name is Caitlin J. Kaitlyn Coons. Kaitlyn Coons is
a teenager and she has had a rough life. Kaitlyn
Coons is living in a group home in Ohio and
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she goes missing, well not missing, runaway. She sends a
text message to the nurse at the group home she
claims she's killed two people and she's on the run.
Seventeen year old Kaitlyn Coons claiming to have killed two
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people and is on the run. Meanwhile, police go and
do a welfare check on Nicole Jones fifty three years old.
Haven't seen her, can't get her on the phone. They
get there and she's not there. So that's kind of
where this whole story begins. As police are trying to
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figure out what happened. Got a seventeen year old girl
over here, She's got ties to Jonathan Jones. Jonathan Jones
is the son of Nicole Jones, and she's missing. It's confusing,
but police have a plan, and they are not a plan.
They have a story to tell, and the story is
Jonathan Jones, who is a guy who is has been
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arrested in charge with doing some things with children, young girls.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
He's on the run, yeah he is. And you know
the you know kind of with these kind of cases,
the tempo picks up very quickly when you start talking
about an underage child, which she was seventeen at this time,
Caitlyn Coons, and she's with a guy that is known
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to have been involved in, you know, some pretty dastardly
things when it comes to children, and you get that
connectivity and there's that urgency I think on the part
of police to try to find her, because you know,
you think about a child and how you know, in
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seventeen years old to me is a child, and by law,
as a child, you think about how easily influenced it is.
I mean, jeez, man, I mean you think about you know,
people that are on social media, the stuff that the
stupid stuff that people do across a wide age range,
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but particularly those that are very young just to get attention.
They're impressionable. They can be kind of led along by
somebody that might be more sophisticated than them, and certainly
people that might have a history of females that are
in a younger group where you know, Jonathan Jones has
(09:07):
all of the characteristics of a sexual predator, and so
they can be highly manipulative. You know, That's why they
talk about things like grooming and all that sort of
thing to kind of drive the narrative of what they're doing.
But Dave, I got to tell you, this case is
super bizarre in the sense that it doesn't seem like
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it doesn't seem like this child, Caitlin, has necessarily left
under duress. But the police don't necessarily know that at
that particular time, do they.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
See I'm I have my own opinion as what the
police know. But the story in the media is that
a teenager girl has been kidnapped by a sexual predator
named Jonathan Jones. By the way, Jonathan Jones had already
been charged with and was later convicted of child endangering,
(10:02):
attempted pandering, obscenity involving miners, and a few other things,
all dealing with children people underage. I don't know if
we're dealing with small children because they don't tell us
the truth or not. They don't tell us the whole
story when it comes to these charges, and I'd kind
of like to know because if he was charged with
dealing with girls that were at fourteen fifteen years old,
(10:23):
then a seventeen year old that goes missing with him
means a whole lot more. Oh yeah, and so, but
police have a missing wayward team, A girl raised in
Foster care she's missing and has sent a crazy text
message to a nurse. They don't believe anything she says,
by the way, for various reasons, so they probably don't
(10:44):
take that as seriously as one might think. She leaves
the group home and she's picked up by Jonathan Jones
at a restaurant. Jonathan Jones then takes her name, just
escaped me, k Caitlyn. Jonathan Jones takes Caitlyn Coons back
to his house that he lives with his mother, Katelyn.
(11:06):
They don't go in the front door. Jonathan goes in
the front door. Caitlyn climbs through his bedroom windows so
mom doesn't know she's there.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You can you hang on one second, because I came
across the same information, Dave. Let's just sit and pause
for a moment and think about the age of this fellow. Right, Okay,
you think about the age of this fellow. And look, yeah,
I guess you got a hard life. You know you're
(11:34):
dealing with issues in your life. But dude, you're thirty
three years old, right, You're thirty three years old, and
you have got a seventeen year old girl, Yeah, climbing
through your window, so that you're not detected by your mama.
(12:00):
I am. You know when you consider, you know, kind
of that statement, and you begin to think about that,
and you think about, you know, where was this guy's mind?
You know, you you think about somebody that's thirty three
years old that is inngaged in this kind of behavior,
and you've got someone sneaking in too into the bedroom
(12:26):
so your mom can't find it. I'd like to know,
you know, I'm thinking about it. Maybe it's an unfair comparison,
but I'd really like to know how old was Audie
Murphy when he won the Medal of Honor, you know,
And I think about, you know, the generations, how they've changed,
and you've still got this guy at home with his mother.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You guys are going to have to google Audie Murphy.
He was the most decorated warrior of World War Two
and in the movies.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, exactly. And I think about that, and then I
think about this, this idea of a seven ten year
old girl sneaking in his window. I mean, it literally
sounds like something that young teens would be doing, yes,
and that you and I both know have been done
over the years. For all I know, you did it,
(13:14):
Dave I don't know, but you know, as teenagers we
do nutty things.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And one time we've I ever ran for office, my
slogan would be yes I did, but yes I did,
so throwing that out there.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Joe, Yeah, I'm I'm just saying, you know, you think
about that when you when you look at this, and
I like to use this analogy, you look, though it
might be cracked, you look at it through this lens,
and it kind of creates a completely different view of
what's what's going on here, this kind of childish, childlike mentality,
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perhaps not being able to break the bonds of your
mama and you're living at home with her, and you're
still engaging even as a grown man, and you're still
engaging in behaviors with children. Yeah, I mean, I guess
he's got an inclination toward young girls. But again, where
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is he in his mind? Does he view himself equally
as a seventeen year old boy, which he is not.
He is, He's a grown man, and he's got this
girl sneaking into the house so that she would be undetected.
Now I know there's a much more sinister reason why
Kaitlyn Coons climbed through the window, and I got to
(14:35):
tell you, Dave, at the end of this, I was
flabbergasted and amazed by what I heard about what Kaitlyn
Coons actually did when she got in to that home.
(15:05):
I've actually stood over bodies in homes before. You know,
the area is bathed in blood, and you think about,
I do at least or did think about what happened
in this environment. You think about and I'm not just
(15:28):
talking about from the physical evidence that I see kind
of laying before me, but you think about those moments
prior to a horrific act of violence, and you think about,
did that person pause that perpetrated this, Did they have
a moment of humanity where they said this is not
(15:52):
something that I should be doing, or you know, they're
having this kind of moral discussion. And then look, I
understand it. I understand that people fly into rages and
all these sorts of things. But when you think about
a pre meditative event, you do have time to consider
and think about what you're entering into. Maybe the key
(16:15):
is do you have the emotional maturity and the moral
fiber to stop, to pause, to say that this is
probably something I shouldn't do. Taking the long view of it.
I'm sure that there are many people that now kind
of sit back in prison somewhere and they have those moments,
(16:38):
they have those thoughts where they think I should have
taken the other path. But Dave, in this particular case,
thinking about Jonathan Jones and Caitlin is seventeen year old,
I don't know. I guess the best word I can
use is companion. Yeah. I refuse to say girlfriend, wow,
(17:00):
but companion. I wonder if they had that moment. I
wonder if if she had that moment.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's a good question, Joe in looking at this relationship now,
I'm not talking about romantic I'm just talking about being
together as two human beings. And seventeen years old, Kaylin
Koons had lived a life not one that many of
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us can relate to. I'm not justifying anything she did
by just pointing out her life was not like mine.
She grew up in the foster care system. There are
many horrible tales of the foster care system in different
states and for different individuals.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You bet there is.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I don't know what hers was like.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
What we do know is from the time that she
was in a group home and when she left, we
don't know yet. We'll find out how her relationship with
Jonathan Jones began or what transpired to bring her into
the house sneaking into the house. But here's your bottom line.
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Somewhere during the course of their time together at the
home that Nicole Jones, fifty three year old mother of
Jonathan Jones, it's her house, her son lives there with her,
he sneaks in. Kaitlyn Coons seventeen at the time. Kaylyn
Coons then allegedly gives him an ultimatum, kill your mother.
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Kaitlyn Coons seventeen tells Jonathan Jones, thirty three, you got
five hours to kill your mother. At five hours, Joe
Jonathan hadn't killed his mother, says, you got one more
hour then I'm taking over. Well, Jonathan Jones didn't kill
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her in that hour, so Kaitlyn Coons and I want
to know how they are saying this show. But Kaylyn
Coons allegedly went into the kitchen. While Nicole Jones is
near the refrigerator opening the door looking in, Kaitlyn Coons
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comes up behind her and starts strangling her in the kitchen.
Jonathan Jones is watching TV in the living room, He's
propped up in the recliner, not doing anything, not protecting
his mother, not stopping as a girl.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Well whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And when she can't, when Kaylen Coons cannot strangle Nicole
Jones into passing out unconsciousness, when that doesn't happen, she
starts beating her with a blunt object and eventually kills
Nicole Jones. Nicole Jones, then her body has to be
(20:06):
disposed of. And this is I'm gonna leave it right
there for a minute, because Joe, how do you, as
an investigator figure out I probably need to throw this
out there? Nicole Jones' body has not been found. We
don't have a body. Joe, how do you prove how
(20:32):
do you figure out what I just told you as fact?
I said, this was a fact that Caitlin kun strangled her,
then beat her, and they disposed of her body somehow
because we don't have it. How does anything? How do
you prove that? How do you as an investigator make
sense of what I just said?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Every bit of it is circumstantial information at that point.
Your absence the corpus delecti the body of the crime.
I love that term. Corpus DELECTI just rolls off the tongue.
I and that's a legal term. I know that talks
about the body of the crime, but I like it
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as it applies to as it applies to human remains
as well, because you know, I've always hold that the
body in any case is the central focal point of
any kind of death investigation. I know that seems rather obvious, However,
it contains that information that we're looking for and when
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we begin to think about assessment of injuries, because we
have several things that have been put forward. Right, first off,
this is a blind attack I have. You know, I'm
envisioning in my mind that the glow of the light
from inside of the refrigerator is there. You know, she's
bending over, perhaps maybe looking into the refrigerator, maybe trying
(21:55):
to get a closer look. I mean, think about it.
Anytime you go into your kitchen, you're looking for something
in your refrigerator, and you're totally you have tunnel vision, right,
you have tunnel vision. In that moment, Tom, you don't
know what's to your left or the right. You don't
really pay attention because you're so focused on opening that
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little door to look inside, and all of a sudden
this demon ascends upon you, wraps her hands around your throat,
wraps a ligature around your throat, tries to get you
in some kind of choke hold, perhaps attempting to squeeze
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the life out of you. You're taking completely unawares. But
you know, we don't have a body here in order
to make that physical assessment, so we're reliant upon the
idea that this information is coming in. Secondarily, it's all
circumstantial data that's coming into us as a result of
(23:01):
the police doing their due diligence to try to dig
into this case, to try to find Nicole, try to
find her body, try to discover what happened to her.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
You know, you and Joe and I were talking about
this earlier, friends, because in the media, I know how
things are played out, writing headlines and stories of interest,
you know, that get people's attention. In this particular case,
I think the police knew a whole lot more than
they were sharing. Because they didn't have a body of
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Nicole Jones. They didn't know where Jonathan Jones, her son was,
or kateln Coon's for that matter. They didn't know where
they were. They knew that Jonathan Jones had taken off
in his mother's car. They knew they couldn't find her,
so they immediately went there and said, Okay, we probably
aren't going to find her alive. But in order to
get the media behind it, they positioned this, and I'm
(23:52):
not knocking them. They positioned it as this thirty three
year old man kidnapped a seventeen year old teenager and
has fled the country in his mother's car. Yeah, in
Mexico probably, And that was the story that they put
out because to be honest with you, you want my attention.
(24:14):
A man kidnapping a kid and taking it. Yeah, you've
got my attention.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You got my attention. I'm in Okay, what do you
want to tell me next? Because I look, I might
live in Alabama or something, but if you give me
the car descript I might put it on my social
media and I can tell you if I'm going to
run out to the store, my head's going to be
on a swivel.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Not that they would show up here, but you know
what about those individuals that do in fact live in
the Canton, Ohio area. You know, I can tell you
their head's going to be on a swivel. They're going
to be looking everywhere, and of course do they know
at this point in time that Mexico has factored into this.
Perhaps you had mentioned that they had picked up the
(24:54):
authorities down in Arizona had actually picked up the fact
that they had been seen in this woman's car. But
if we could go back to the scene just a second,
because I know all of our friends that listen to
bodybags are going to be saying, Morgan and there's something
else they could have found at the scene, and a
relative to evidence of a homicide. Okay, we have to
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back this up and think, well, we know that there
was an attempt to perhaps choke her out, and then
when that collapsed, that method collapsed. We know, according to
circumstantial evidence, that there was a blunt object that was
used to beat her to death with. Now here's an
(25:40):
interesting little factoid. Just because you have a bludgeoning, just
because you have someone that is striking in another person,
there's no guarantee there's going to be blood left behind.
Because I know people are thinking, well, why couldn't you
go in with a blue star, Why couldn't you go
in with luminol and look for blood evidence at the scene,
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And again going back to that term corpus delecti. The
corpus delecti here can actually you can use blood evidence
to say, yes, there is a copious amount of blood
that is inconsistent or incompatible with life. They're not seeing that,
I'm thinking, and so that again, you know, you're thinking, well,
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how are they going to if they can prove this,
how are they going to say that it actually happened?
And again we come back to the circumstantial evidence. I
don't know do you think, Dave, that an element of
circumstantial evidence is the fact that they fled, That they
fled collectively. You know, they hop in Mom's car, she's
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the body is no longer there, and they have fled,
you know, is flight evidence of wrongdoing? I think that
that's a big question, and it's certainly certainly something that
if a juror member was asked that question, they'd be
they'd want it, they take it under advisement and analyze
that and and couple that with all the other circumstantial evidence,
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and that they're seeking to flee the country, to get away,
to escape the long arm of the law. Dave, you know,
(27:30):
what are we to do as an investigator if we
if we're absent this kind of information. Well, there has
been a bit revealed. It turns out that actually the
blunt object that has been alluded to that initially that
kept kind of mask but a detective has stated that
a rock was actually used, which is you know, wow,
(27:54):
how primal is that?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Dave a rock in the kitchen?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, a rock in the kitchen, And I find that
fascinating that so, you know, and I'm thinking, Okay, you're
inside of a household. My default position would not be
in the kitchen, would not be rock. It would probably
be rolling pin perhaps, or maybe a meat tenderizing hammer
or a frying pan or something, you know, something other
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than a rock, which is kind of interesting because that
that implies unless you're using the rock as a door prop,
which I've actually done in my life, that implies that
you've gone and retrieved a rock from out in the
yard and that you're going to specifically use this as
(28:45):
a bludgeoning weapon. So there's a detective that is saying
that not only was there an attempt to asphyxiate Nicole
at the hands of coons, okay, but she also showed
up with this rock in hand and prepared to use
it and she begins to beat her with this in
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the kitchen. Now, the detective also revealed, which is kind
of fascinating, that they have evidence that both Jones and
Coons Jones being Jonathan Jones, the son of Nicole, went
to two separate, two separate stores and purchased items plastic
(29:29):
bags that would be used in order to get rid
of evidence, and namely the biggest piece of evidence, Nicole three,
a fifty three year old woman.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, Joe, are we sure they did this after they
killed like that she's dead and then they go find
the bags and stuff or did they pre plant it?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That that's going to be a huge piece to this case, Dave,
because if they can say what is it? Our friend
Nancy Gray says, premeditation can be formed in the twinkling
of an eye that goes beyond the twinkling of an eye,
that demonstrates that you've gone out to a store and
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you've purchased all of these items, and that you're showing
up prepared. Remember, she's think about this. A seventeen year
old child is speaking to a thirty plus year old
man giving him an ultimatum about killing his mama. So
you got five hours. He knows how cold that is.
(30:30):
I mean, that is that's the stuff that you hear
about in some kind of concentration camp or something like that,
where you're putting somebody in a position where they're going
to have to commit a homicide, and not just a homicide,
but the homicide of your own mother. What is it
that coons can leverage him with affection? I don't know.
(30:54):
I don't see how a thirty three year old man
can see that this is actually right or that this
is the correct choice to make. But you've got her
telling him that he's got five hours to do this.
So if she's in the house for five hours with him,
(31:14):
we understand that Nicole did not approve of the relationship
that he had with this girl that she had apparently
made appearances throughout a period of time at their home.
Trust me, mamas know what their sons are involved in.
He's been on the police radar before they know what's
going on. She knows what's going on with her son.
(31:36):
And here he is, and he's showing up with this girl,
the seventeen year old girl who is in foster care.
Something ain't right, you know, thirty three year old men
don't hang out with seventeen year old girls. I'm sorry,
it's just that's the reality of it. It's wrong feeling
back that onion. Yeah, you know, he told you earlier
that that Jonathan John had already been convicted of a
(32:04):
crime with underage with a minor with a female minor. Yeah,
well he was the female miner in question, Caitlin Combs
when she was fifteen. See that's your touch here, that
they have been involved in. No, you cannot be involved
in a relationship with a fifteen year old child that
(32:25):
you can rape them, you know, you can kill them,
but you cannot call that a relationship relationship. You can't
do that. You can't go down that path.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I really don't like to say that, but he was.
They were a couple, a romantic couple so to speak,
or that's I don't know. Again, I hate saying that
out loud because it just that's where our society is
leaning right now, and I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's a tough, tough bit of road to consider that
these two were actually in a quote unquote relationship.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
But that's where his that's where his conviction came from,
was from being involved with her when she was fifteen,
so he sneaks her into the house, she goes, she
leaves the group home. On April eleventh, she hooks up
with Jones. He sneaks her into the house, and during
this time period where he is hiding her, she's prodding him,
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you got to kill your mom. You got to kill
your mom.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
That's all I can picture is this guy is so perverted, sick,
whatever you want to call it. She's telling him, you
got to kill her, and she puts the deadline to it. Yeah,
five hours, dude, kill her, kill her.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Talk talk TikTok.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, it looks something out of a movie.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And then she gives him another hour. And when he
doesn't act. At that point, Tom, she flies into the race.
She says, I'm going to handle it. Now we know
that Nicole did not approve of this relationship. She had
voiced that information to them. But once you you know,
once you've stepped off into the deep end. At this
point in Tom, can you imagine if he is sitting
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what we think has been stated, if he was seated
in the other room and was not a participant in
this event. If he seated in the other room and
suddenly she comes and gathers him and says they have
killed Jamama. You imagine walking into that kitchen where she's
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literally prepared meals for this man, maybe his entire life.
She was providing him with shelter. His murdered mother is
laying there and they have to make a decision. Well,
what are they going to do with her? Well, the
police going to say that they had taken the body
of Nicole, wrapped her up, they cleaned up, they wrapped
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her up, and then they went to an apartment complex
not too far from where they were and put her
in a dumpster. Now here's the real problem with this.
Maybe she's got evidence of blunt force trauma. Maybe she
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had evidence of having exterior trauma to her neck. That
would be evidence of an attempted asphyxiation, you know, throttling
squeezing the life.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Out of her.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
But guess what the cops are saying. There's they have
no hope. When do you get to that point you
have we have no hope of finding her body because
her body, you know, you have time that elapses because
they fled to Mexico. Her body in that dumpster has
been you know, dumped into the back of a big
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trash truck hauled off to the local landfill and dumped
out there. Landfills are very dynamic environments from a biological standpoint.
There's always decomposition going on, always always, and there's always
here's the other thing, Dave. There's always churning that's going on.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If you
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ever look at the equipment that you used at a
landfill and you see those large earth movers out there,
they don't have rubber tires. They have these spike these
spike wheels on them that have these knobs that are
on them, and they're driving back and forth and back,
and they're they're kind of stirring the thing up. It's
almost like mulching, oh wow. And it's kind of spinning
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all the stuff up and co mingling. So even if
you think you're going to have a jackpot moment, you
know where you're going to show up and there's going
to be a skull sitting there, or there's going to
be a long, long bone protruding up out of a
bunch of milk jugs that have been ain't going to
happen wow, because this stuff has been pulpified it's been
shredded out there. I can understand why the police have
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kind of lost hope and attempting to find the cole's body.
But they still have these two that they are going
to look to to try to extract as much information
as I possibly can, and also any kind of digital
evidence that you can track their movements, GPS, that sort
of thing, and GPS actually did play in to this
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case where they're tracking the movements of these two as
they're trying you know, they're egressing toward toward Mexico.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
They figured it out that okay, we have them together.
Now in the media, they're saying that Jonathan Jones has
kidnapped this teenager and they have fled to me and
he has fled with her to Mexico. We need all
everybody on the lookout for these two people. She's in danger.
And that's that's how they got the attention. That's actually
how they were found, is how the US Marshalls end
up in Mexico to help find the guy. Now when
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they do, by the way, click timeline. April eleventh is
when Kaitlyn Coons sneaks into Jonathan Jones's bedroom and the
homie chairs with his mother, Nicole. April nineteenth is the
day Kaitlyn Coons kills Nicole Jones and going to assume
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they fled shortly thereafter. I mean they cleaned up the mess,
which are you going to find in the kitchen where
we believe that missus that Jonathan Jones's mother, Nicole was murdered.
Are we going to find blood and all that all
over the floor. I mean, even if they clean it
all up, we're still going to find blood remnant, right, Yes?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Would they be looking for anything else? Hair, things like
that that might have fallen underneath the stove or the refrigerator.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Are those types of things going to be found on
that floor?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
A lot of that is dependent upon the level of
violence that we're talking about. And yeah, I would think that, boy,
wouldn't it be fantastic to get your hand on that rock?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
And I'd like to try to understand how they concluded that,
because when you think about a rock and being in
most rocks that you can consider people and it can
be like an aggregate of broken concrete or I've seen
multiple things being referred to as a rock. When you
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think about a rock generally does not have smooth edges
to it that they're not going to leave a mark behind.
It's going to be jagged ridges that cover the surface
of it. So let's just think about this. Every time
that you make a strike with a rock that has
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a surface like this, you can have contact trace that
pulls away from the body. Particularly you know, you mentioned hair.
That's significant here because when and if you do multiple
strikes and you do break the scalp, which probably would
with a rock, there'll be blood transfer onto the rock.
Blood's very tacky, people understand that. And every time you strike,
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you're pulling away more evidence from the body that would
be transferred to that rock.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Would there be an opportunity to find something in the
home like that? Well, yeah, you could say, yeah, we
found a hair, but just because you found a hair
in the home, you would expect to find hair her
hair and that home. So I don't know if that's
really going to lead. You would have to find something
a bit more robust, like a torn piece of flesh. Perhaps.
Is there something like that that is left behind and
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that's where that you know, that idea of kind of
the violence of a bludgeoning, you know, but you do
have bludgeonings that you know, fracture the underlying skull, but
it doesn't leave a lot of blood evidence behind. Wow.
So it's yeah, I know it gets it gets very
very complex forensical, but it could be there and it
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could be there, and it all depends on how deep,
how deep that the authorities at that particular time wanted
to wanted to dig into this.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
One thing you mentioned was GPS, and I wanted to
get to this very quickly because on the timeline now
we have April nineteenth, where Nicole Jones is murdered in
her kitchen by Kitlyn Coons. Allegedly they get rid of
the body and take off. Now in March, a couple
of weeks before Kaitlyn Coons left the group home and
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hooked up back up with Jonathan Jones. He was convicted
in March of the previous charges that involved Caitlyn Coons
when she was fifteen.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
He is fitted with a.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
GPS tracking device when he leaves court that day, and
he's still wearing that device on April nineteenth when his
mother is murdered, so as he fails to disarm this
And this is the important part because as I told you,
it's being reported in the media that Jonathan Jones has
kidnapped a teenager and has fled to Mexico.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
He didn't.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is how they knew because he did not disarm
the GPS tracking device and so they knew where he
was pretty much. Now, according to the prosecuting attorney, they
believe that Jonathan Jones was having sex with underage girls
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for years and that's what they're using to get people
involved in tracking him and the girl. Now they believe
they have murdered him. The police already believe a lot
of things they're not sharing with the public because they
got to find them in Mexico. The US Marshall Service
catches up with Jonathan Jones on do I say March
(42:31):
is May okay May eighth. US Marshall's Service Missing Child Unit, Okay,
Missing Child Unit is what captured Jonathan Jones. That's how
they were able to get the focus because of Caitlin
Coon's being underage, so they get him a mathe You
know what I did, Joe, because we know what all
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was going on, and you guys now have learned a
lot of things that the media then pressed didn't share
right off the bat. This happened, you know, last year
April and May of twenty twenty three. I went back
and I looked up Kaitlyn Kuhn's Facebook page and I thought,
let's just see what was going on. On April fourteenth,
twenty twenty three, five days before the murder of Nicole Jones,
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Kaitlyn Coons wrote, I was in a car accident February
twenty second and it changed me. I've realized so much
and I've become more aware and also gained new passions.
You know what they say, it will hit you when
you least expect it and make you realize you had
it better. Now I'm somewhere safe and looking forward to
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almost becoming eighteen. She writes this, five days before she
kills her boyfriend's mother May sixth. We know they're on
the run. We know this is two days before Jonathan
Jones was picked up in Mexico by US Marshall's Joe.
This is what she writes on Facebook. I am not
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on the run, so stop saying I am. I am
literally in Ohio about to be eighteen, and by myself.
I don't know any Jonathan. I'm a new person, not
like before. I've been doing really well and you guys
are trying to say I ran when I didn't. Please
stop lying for one last time.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Please.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I'm just trying to enjoy my life and this happens, Like,
come on, stop the drama. I'm in Ohio and not missing.
That's what she writes on May sixth. The next day,
May seventh, I don't know any Jonathan Jones and you
guys are putting us together. Shame on you people. You're
telling people the danger when he isn't causing, and that's
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not civil or fair anyway. So I thought I would
just share that. That's what she was posting on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Wow, that's it's a very interesting narrative because you wonder
if again planning. Yes, that's that's what I'm thinking here.
You know, you're trying to s social media. It's possible
for people to at least contemplate doing that because people
that follow her. Maybe even if she's thinking the cops
are going to be looking at her social media, it
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gives you idea or she's trying to plant that seed
that Hey, you know, I'm pure's the driven snow here.
I haven't done anything, but you know, Dave, that brings
us back to how sinister this case is in the
sense that for his part, Jonathan Jones is let's face it,
he's an evil sob I mean, he is purely evil.
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You know, he's participated in these behaviors, these rapes, as
you had mentioned just second ago, with these underage with
an underage child. But then it's almost like it's kicked up.
I don't ever recall a case like this where it's
kicked up to another level where you have this child
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who actually becomes a true perpetrator.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
And ra Adam is now the victim, is now evil.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Oh boy. Yeah, And you know, and I guess people
could you know, could sit around and coffee shop talk
to us as long as they wanted to and say, well,
it was because of his influence on her that she
became evil. But at the end, at the end of
the day, we know that there's a high probability that
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Nicole Jones, her mortal remains will never be found, that
her body will forever be entombed in a landfill somewhere.
But I think that at least maybe for the moment,
we can rest easy in the fact that we know
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that both Kaylen Coons and Jonathan Jones are in prison
now and hopefully for a very very long time. I'm
Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks
Body does, but Joseph's gotten more. It's an understatement nowadays,
in particular, to say that we have a problem in
this country relative to children who are being kidnapped or trafficked,
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or that just simply vanish into thin air. As a parent,
as a daddy, as a papa, it sends a chill
up my spine every time one of these cases appears
in the news, and I think that for most of us,
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we take at face value what the media might tell
us about a particular case and about a child that
has gone missing. However, as in life, things are not
always as they seem. We're going to have a discussion
(01:15):
about one of the more disturbing cases that I've come
across in some time, relative to a missing teen and
an older man who has allegedly taken her and fled
(01:38):
to Mexico. Oh and by the way, this is body bags,
and of course there's a death that we have to
talk about, the death of that man's mother that turns
out to be a homicide. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and
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this his body backs. I have been plagued throughout my
life as a parent, and I think a lot of
this has to do Dave, with the profession that I
was in. I've been plagued by fear, fear that something
was going to happen to my kids, that some great
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harm was going to come to them.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You know, we were recently at at crime Con, Dave,
and uh we got we got to see mister Walsh
up on stage and the stuff that you know, that
catalyst for him, you know, that started his his journey.
Uh boy, what a journey when his son, you know,
(02:43):
went missing, Adam, and you know kind of you know,
the whole that's foundationally, that's what his organization has been
built upon in America's most wanted, you know, looking for
these kids that are out there that have seemingly vanished
into in air or trying to track down these folks
that have done great harm to members of our fellow citizens.
(03:10):
And you know, you hear that theme that runs over
and over again. But you know, today, this case, this case,
it has put us, you and I kind of on
a twisted path from a narrative, And I'd really like
to get into this and kind of discuss first off,
the victim in this case, because the victim is and
(03:32):
it's kind of overshadowed by some of the other circumstances.
The victim is a mother. She's a mother to a
man that still lives at home with her. He's in
his thirties, and she's vanished and presumed to be dead.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And you know, the when we started looking at this story,
it actually was well the way it was originally reported
in the news media. A thirty three year old man
has kidnapped a seventeen year old girl, a teen and
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has fled to Mexico in his mother's car, and his
mother can't be found. That was your headline. That was
the breathless reporting. This seventeen year old girl is now
in harm's way. And where is Nicole Jones, the fifty
three year old mother of Jonathan Jones. Where are these
You know what's going on? You know you got us
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marshals looking for this guy because they've tracked Nicole Jones'
car again. She's the victim here. They don't know where
she is. She's missing. They've tracked her car being driven
by her son down into Arizona and now in New Mexico.
I did something very quickly because you and I when
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we started looking at this case, you know, you're.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Looking at it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
From the end, you know, starting at the very end
where you have a resolution, and it just seems well, okay,
a murder, but not a whole lot there other than
a murder. And as you peel the onion, you realize
for those living in Canton, Ohio and in that area,
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they've covered this story since day one when it began
with how many times has the story begun with? Could
you go make a call? Check on Joe Scott Morton,
check on my mom. I don't know. I can't get
her on the phone, you know, I haven't seen her.
And that's what happened with Nicole Jones.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
A welfare check. Yep, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, And these welfare checks oftentimes are part of our
story when we begin telling it. And in this particular case,
it was Nicole Jones fifty three year old mother whose
thirty three year old son lives with her. And there
was I'm trying to remember exactly how to get into this,
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there was a girl that was raised in foster care.
Her name is Caitlin J. Kaitlyn Coons. Kaitlyn Coons is
a teenager and she has had a rough life. Kaitlyn
Coons is living in a group home in Ohio and
(06:28):
she goes missing, well not missing, runaway. She sends a
text message to the nurse at the group home she
claims she's killed two people and she's on the run.
Seventeen year old Kaitlyn Coons claiming to have killed two
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people and is on the run. Meanwhile, police go and
do a welfare check on Nicole Jones fifty three years old.
Haven't seen her, can't get her on the phone. They
get there and she's not there. So that's kind of
where this whole story begins. As police are trying to
(07:11):
figure out what happened. Got a seventeen year old girl
over here, She's got ties to Jonathan Jones. Jonathan Jones
is the son of Nicole Jones, and she's missing. It's confusing,
but police have a plan, and they are not a plan.
They have a story to tell, and the story is
Jonathan Jones, who is a guy who is has been
(07:34):
arrested in charge with doing some things with children, young girls.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
He's on the run, yeah he is. And you know
the you know kind of with these kind of cases,
the tempo picks up very quickly when you start talking
about an underage child, which she was seventeen at this time,
Caitlyn Coons, and she's with a guy that is known
(08:01):
to have been involved in, you know, some pretty dastardly
things when it comes to children, and you get that
connectivity and there's that urgency I think on the part
of police to try to find her, because you know,
you think about a child and how you know, in
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seventeen years old to me is a child, and by law,
as a child, you think about how easily influenced it is.
I mean, jeez, man, I mean you think about you know,
people that are on social media, the stuff that the
stupid stuff that people do across a wide age range,
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but particularly those that are very young just to get attention.
They're impressionable. They can be kind of led along by
somebody that might be more sophisticated than them, and certainly
people that might have a history of females that are
in a younger group where you know, Jonathan Jones has
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all of the characteristics of a sexual predator, and so
they can be highly manipulative. You know, That's why they
talk about things like grooming and all that sort of
thing to kind of drive the narrative of what they're doing.
But Dave, I got to tell you, this case is
super bizarre in the sense that it doesn't seem like
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it doesn't seem like this child, Caitlin, has necessarily left
under duress. But the police don't necessarily know that at
that particular time, do they.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
See I'm I have my own opinion as what the
police know. But the story in the media is that
a teenager girl has been kidnapped by a sexual predator
named Jonathan Jones. By the way, Jonathan Jones had already
been charged with and was later convicted of child endangering,
(10:02):
attempted pandering, obscenity involving miners, and a few other things,
all dealing with children people underage. I don't know if
we're dealing with small children because they don't tell us
the truth or not. They don't tell us the whole
story when it comes to these charges, and I'd kind
of like to know because if he was charged with
dealing with girls that were at fourteen fifteen years old,
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then a seventeen year old that goes missing with him
means a whole lot more. Oh yeah, and so, but
police have a missing wayward team, A girl raised in
Foster care she's missing and has sent a crazy text
message to a nurse. They don't believe anything she says,
by the way, for various reasons, so they probably don't
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take that as seriously as one might think. She leaves
the group home and she's picked up by Jonathan Jones
at a restaurant. Jonathan Jones then takes her name, just
escaped me, k Caitlyn. Jonathan Jones takes Caitlyn Coons back
to his house that he lives with his mother, Katelyn.
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They don't go in the front door. Jonathan goes in
the front door. Caitlyn climbs through his bedroom windows so
mom doesn't know she's there.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You can you hang on one second, because I came
across the same information, Dave. Let's just sit and pause
for a moment and think about the age of this fellow. Right, Okay,
you think about the age of this fellow. And look, yeah,
I guess you got a hard life. You know you're
(11:34):
dealing with issues in your life. But dude, you're thirty
three years old, right, You're thirty three years old, and
you have got a seventeen year old girl, Yeah, climbing
through your window, so that you're not detected by your mama.
(12:00):
I am. You know when you consider, you know, kind
of that statement, and you begin to think about that,
and you think about, you know, where was this guy's mind?
You know, you you think about somebody that's thirty three
years old that is inngaged in this kind of behavior,
and you've got someone sneaking in too into the bedroom
(12:26):
so your mom can't find it. I'd like to know,
you know, I'm thinking about it. Maybe it's an unfair comparison,
but I'd really like to know how old was Audie
Murphy when he won the Medal of Honor, you know,
And I think about, you know, the generations, how they've changed,
and you've still got this guy at home with his mother.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
You guys are going to have to google Audie Murphy.
He was the most decorated warrior of World War Two
and in the movies.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, exactly. And I think about that, and then I
think about this, this idea of a seven ten year
old girl sneaking in his window. I mean, it literally
sounds like something that young teens would be doing, yes,
and that you and I both know have been done
over the years. For all I know, you did it,
(13:14):
Dave I don't know, but you know, as teenagers we
do nutty things.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And one time we've I ever ran for office, my
slogan would be yes I did, but yes I did,
so throwing that out there.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Joe, Yeah, I'm I'm just saying, you know, you think
about that when you when you look at this, and
I like to use this analogy, you look, though it
might be cracked, you look at it through this lens,
and it kind of creates a completely different view of
what's what's going on here, this kind of childish, childlike mentality,
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perhaps not being able to break the bonds of your
mama and you're living at home with her, and you're
still engaging even as a grown man, and you're still
engaging in behaviors with children. Yeah, I mean, I guess
he's got an inclination toward young girls. But again, where
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is he in his mind? Does he view himself equally
as a seventeen year old boy, which he is not.
He is, He's a grown man, and he's got this
girl sneaking into the house so that she would be undetected.
Now I know there's a much more sinister reason why
Kaitlyn Coons climbed through the window, and I got to
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tell you, Dave, at the end of this, I was
flabbergasted and amazed by what I heard about what Kaitlyn
Coons actually did when she got in to that home.
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I've actually stood over bodies in homes before. You know,
the area is bathed in blood, and you think about,
I do at least or did think about what happened
in this environment. You think about and I'm not just
(15:28):
talking about from the physical evidence that I see kind
of laying before me, but you think about those moments
prior to a horrific act of violence, and you think about,
did that person pause that perpetrated this, Did they have
a moment of humanity where they said this is not
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something that I should be doing, or you know, they're
having this kind of moral discussion. And then look, I
understand it. I understand that people fly into rages and
all these sorts of things. But when you think about
a pre meditative event, you do have time to consider
and think about what you're entering into. Maybe the key
(16:15):
is do you have the emotional maturity and the moral
fiber to stop, to pause, to say that this is
probably something I shouldn't do. Taking the long view of it.
I'm sure that there are many people that now kind
of sit back in prison somewhere and they have those moments,
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they have those thoughts where they think I should have
taken the other path. But Dave, in this particular case,
thinking about Jonathan Jones and Caitlin is seventeen year old,
I don't know. I guess the best word I can
use is companion. Yeah. I refuse to say girlfriend, wow,
(17:00):
but companion. I wonder if they had that moment. I
wonder if if she had that moment.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's a good question, Joe in looking at this relationship now,
I'm not talking about romantic I'm just talking about being
together as two human beings. And seventeen years old, Kaylin
Koons had lived a life not one that many of
(17:33):
us can relate to. I'm not justifying anything she did
by just pointing out her life was not like mine.
She grew up in the foster care system. There are
many horrible tales of the foster care system in different
states and for different individuals.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You bet there is.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I don't know what hers was like.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
What we do know is from the time that she
was in a group home and when she left, we
don't know yet. We'll find out how her relationship with
Jonathan Jones began or what transpired to bring her into
the house sneaking into the house. But here's your bottom line.
(18:15):
Somewhere during the course of their time together at the
home that Nicole Jones, fifty three year old mother of
Jonathan Jones, it's her house, her son lives there with her,
he sneaks in. Kaitlyn Coons seventeen at the time. Kaylyn
Coons then allegedly gives him an ultimatum, kill your mother.
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Kaitlyn Coons seventeen tells Jonathan Jones, thirty three, you got
five hours to kill your mother. At five hours, Joe
Jonathan hadn't killed his mother, says, you got one more
hour then I'm taking over. Well, Jonathan Jones didn't kill
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her in that hour, so Kaitlyn Coons and I want
to know how they are saying this show. But Kaylyn
Coons allegedly went into the kitchen. While Nicole Jones is
near the refrigerator opening the door looking in, Kaitlyn Coons
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comes up behind her and starts strangling her in the kitchen.
Jonathan Jones is watching TV in the living room, He's
propped up in the recliner, not doing anything, not protecting
his mother, not stopping as a girl.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Well whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And when she can't, when Kaylen Coons cannot strangle Nicole
Jones into passing out unconsciousness, when that doesn't happen, she
starts beating her with a blunt object and eventually kills
Nicole Jones. Nicole Jones, then her body has to be
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disposed of. And this is I'm gonna leave it right
there for a minute, because Joe, how do you, as
an investigator figure out I probably need to throw this
out there? Nicole Jones' body has not been found. We
don't have a body. Joe, how do you prove how
(20:32):
do you figure out what I just told you as fact?
I said, this was a fact that Caitlin kun strangled her,
then beat her, and they disposed of her body somehow
because we don't have it. How does anything? How do
you prove that? How do you as an investigator make
sense of what I just said?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Every bit of it is circumstantial information at that point.
Your absence the corpus delecti the body of the crime.
I love that term. Corpus DELECTI just rolls off the tongue.
I and that's a legal term. I know that talks
about the body of the crime, but I like it
(21:10):
as it applies to as it applies to human remains
as well, because you know, I've always hold that the
body in any case is the central focal point of
any kind of death investigation. I know that seems rather obvious, However,
it contains that information that we're looking for and when
(21:31):
we begin to think about assessment of injuries, because we
have several things that have been put forward. Right, first off,
this is a blind attack I have. You know, I'm
envisioning in my mind that the glow of the light
from inside of the refrigerator is there. You know, she's
bending over, perhaps maybe looking into the refrigerator, maybe trying
(21:55):
to get a closer look. I mean, think about it.
Anytime you go into your kitchen, you're looking for something
in your refrigerator, and you're totally you have tunnel vision, right,
you have tunnel vision. In that moment, Tom, you don't
know what's to your left or the right. You don't
really pay attention because you're so focused on opening that
(22:16):
little door to look inside, and all of a sudden
this demon ascends upon you, wraps her hands around your throat,
wraps a ligature around your throat, tries to get you
in some kind of choke hold, perhaps attempting to squeeze
(22:38):
the life out of you. You're taking completely unawares. But
you know, we don't have a body here in order
to make that physical assessment, so we're reliant upon the
idea that this information is coming in. Secondarily, it's all
circumstantial data that's coming into us as a result of
(23:01):
the police doing their due diligence to try to dig
into this case, to try to find Nicole, try to
find her body, try to discover what happened to her.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
You know, you and Joe and I were talking about
this earlier, friends, because in the media, I know how
things are played out, writing headlines and stories of interest,
you know, that get people's attention. In this particular case,
I think the police knew a whole lot more than
they were sharing. Because they didn't have a body of
(23:30):
Nicole Jones. They didn't know where Jonathan Jones, her son was,
or kateln Coon's for that matter. They didn't know where
they were. They knew that Jonathan Jones had taken off
in his mother's car. They knew they couldn't find her,
so they immediately went there and said, Okay, we probably
aren't going to find her alive. But in order to
get the media behind it, they positioned this, and I'm
(23:52):
not knocking them. They positioned it as this thirty three
year old man kidnapped a seventeen year old teenager and
has fled the country in his mother's car. Yeah, in
Mexico probably, And that was the story that they put
out because to be honest with you, you want my attention.
(24:14):
A man kidnapping a kid and taking it. Yeah, you've
got my attention.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You got my attention. I'm in Okay, what do you
want to tell me next? Because I look, I might
live in Alabama or something, but if you give me
the car descript I might put it on my social
media and I can tell you if I'm going to
run out to the store, my head's going to be
on a swivel.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Not that they would show up here, but you know
what about those individuals that do in fact live in
the Canton, Ohio area. You know, I can tell you
their head's going to be on a swivel. They're going
to be looking everywhere, and of course do they know
at this point in time that Mexico has factored into this.
Perhaps you had mentioned that they had picked up the
(24:54):
authorities down in Arizona had actually picked up the fact
that they had been seen in this woman's car. But
if we could go back to the scene just a second,
because I know all of our friends that listen to
bodybags are going to be saying, Morgan and there's something
else they could have found at the scene, and a
relative to evidence of a homicide. Okay, we have to
(25:18):
back this up and think, well, we know that there
was an attempt to perhaps choke her out, and then
when that collapsed, that method collapsed. We know, according to
circumstantial evidence, that there was a blunt object that was
used to beat her to death with. Now here's an
(25:40):
interesting little factoid. Just because you have a bludgeoning, just
because you have someone that is striking in another person,
there's no guarantee there's going to be blood left behind.
Because I know people are thinking, well, why couldn't you
go in with a blue star, Why couldn't you go
in with luminol and look for blood evidence at the scene,
(26:00):
And again going back to that term corpus delecti. The
corpus delecti here can actually you can use blood evidence
to say, yes, there is a copious amount of blood
that is inconsistent or incompatible with life. They're not seeing that,
I'm thinking, and so that again, you know, you're thinking, well,
(26:23):
how are they going to if they can prove this,
how are they going to say that it actually happened?
And again we come back to the circumstantial evidence. I
don't know do you think, Dave, that an element of
circumstantial evidence is the fact that they fled, That they
fled collectively. You know, they hop in Mom's car, she's
(26:44):
the body is no longer there, and they have fled,
you know, is flight evidence of wrongdoing? I think that
that's a big question, and it's certainly certainly something that
if a juror member was asked that question, they'd be
they'd want it, they take it under advisement and analyze
that and and couple that with all the other circumstantial evidence,
(27:09):
and that they're seeking to flee the country, to get away,
to escape the long arm of the law. Dave, you know,
(27:30):
what are we to do as an investigator if we
if we're absent this kind of information. Well, there has
been a bit revealed. It turns out that actually the
blunt object that has been alluded to that initially that
kept kind of mask but a detective has stated that
a rock was actually used, which is you know, wow,
(27:54):
how primal is that?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Dave a rock in the kitchen?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, a rock in the kitchen, And I find that
fascinating that so, you know, and I'm thinking, Okay, you're
inside of a household. My default position would not be
in the kitchen, would not be rock. It would probably
be rolling pin perhaps, or maybe a meat tenderizing hammer
or a frying pan or something, you know, something other
(28:22):
than a rock, which is kind of interesting because that
that implies unless you're using the rock as a door prop,
which I've actually done in my life, that implies that
you've gone and retrieved a rock from out in the
yard and that you're going to specifically use this as
(28:45):
a bludgeoning weapon. So there's a detective that is saying
that not only was there an attempt to asphyxiate Nicole
at the hands of coons, okay, but she also showed
up with this rock in hand and prepared to use
it and she begins to beat her with this in
(29:07):
the kitchen. Now, the detective also revealed, which is kind
of fascinating, that they have evidence that both Jones and
Coons Jones being Jonathan Jones, the son of Nicole, went
to two separate, two separate stores and purchased items plastic
(29:29):
bags that would be used in order to get rid
of evidence, and namely the biggest piece of evidence, Nicole three,
a fifty three year old woman.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, Joe, are we sure they did this after they
killed like that she's dead and then they go find
the bags and stuff or did they pre plant it?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
That that's going to be a huge piece to this case, Dave,
because if they can say what is it? Our friend
Nancy Gray says, premeditation can be formed in the twinkling
of an eye that goes beyond the twinkling of an eye,
that demonstrates that you've gone out to a store and
(30:09):
you've purchased all of these items, and that you're showing
up prepared. Remember, she's think about this. A seventeen year
old child is speaking to a thirty plus year old
man giving him an ultimatum about killing his mama. So
you got five hours. He knows how cold that is.
(30:30):
I mean, that is that's the stuff that you hear
about in some kind of concentration camp or something like that,
where you're putting somebody in a position where they're going
to have to commit a homicide, and not just a homicide,
but the homicide of your own mother. What is it
that coons can leverage him with affection? I don't know.
(30:54):
I don't see how a thirty three year old man
can see that this is actually right or that this
is the correct choice to make. But you've got her
telling him that he's got five hours to do this.
So if she's in the house for five hours with him,
(31:14):
we understand that Nicole did not approve of the relationship
that he had with this girl that she had apparently
made appearances throughout a period of time at their home.
Trust me, mamas know what their sons are involved in.
He's been on the police radar before they know what's
going on. She knows what's going on with her son.
(31:36):
And here he is, and he's showing up with this girl,
the seventeen year old girl who is in foster care.
Something ain't right, you know, thirty three year old men
don't hang out with seventeen year old girls. I'm sorry,
it's just that's the reality of it. It's wrong feeling
back that onion. Yeah, you know, he told you earlier
that that Jonathan John had already been convicted of a
(32:04):
crime with underage with a minor with a female minor. Yeah,
well he was the female miner in question, Caitlin Combs
when she was fifteen. See that's your touch here, that
they have been involved in. No, you cannot be involved
in a relationship with a fifteen year old child that
(32:25):
you can rape them, you know, you can kill them,
but you cannot call that a relationship relationship. You can't
do that. You can't go down that path.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I really don't like to say that, but he was.
They were a couple, a romantic couple so to speak,
or that's I don't know. Again, I hate saying that
out loud because it just that's where our society is
leaning right now, and I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's a tough, tough bit of road to consider that
these two were actually in a quote unquote relationship.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
But that's where his that's where his conviction came from,
was from being involved with her when she was fifteen,
so he sneaks her into the house, she goes, she
leaves the group home. On April eleventh, she hooks up
with Jones. He sneaks her into the house, and during
this time period where he is hiding her, she's prodding him,
(33:15):
you got to kill your mom. You got to kill
your mom.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
That's all I can picture is this guy is so perverted, sick,
whatever you want to call it. She's telling him, you
got to kill her, and she puts the deadline to it. Yeah,
five hours, dude, kill her, kill her.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Talk talk TikTok.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, it looks something out of a movie.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And then she gives him another hour. And when he
doesn't act. At that point, Tom, she flies into the race.
She says, I'm going to handle it. Now we know
that Nicole did not approve of this relationship. She had
voiced that information to them. But once you you know,
once you've stepped off into the deep end. At this
point in Tom, can you imagine if he is sitting
(33:59):
what we think has been stated, if he was seated
in the other room and was not a participant in
this event. If he seated in the other room and
suddenly she comes and gathers him and says they have
killed Jamama. You imagine walking into that kitchen where she's
(34:22):
literally prepared meals for this man, maybe his entire life.
She was providing him with shelter. His murdered mother is
laying there and they have to make a decision. Well,
what are they going to do with her? Well, the
police going to say that they had taken the body
of Nicole, wrapped her up, they cleaned up, they wrapped
(34:45):
her up, and then they went to an apartment complex
not too far from where they were and put her
in a dumpster. Now here's the real problem with this.
Maybe she's got evidence of blunt force trauma. Maybe she
(35:05):
had evidence of having exterior trauma to her neck. That
would be evidence of an attempted asphyxiation, you know, throttling
squeezing the life.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Out of her.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
But guess what the cops are saying. There's they have
no hope. When do you get to that point you
have we have no hope of finding her body because
her body, you know, you have time that elapses because
they fled to Mexico. Her body in that dumpster has
been you know, dumped into the back of a big
(35:42):
trash truck hauled off to the local landfill and dumped
out there. Landfills are very dynamic environments from a biological standpoint.
There's always decomposition going on, always always, and there's always
here's the other thing, Dave. There's always churning that's going on.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If you
(36:03):
ever look at the equipment that you used at a
landfill and you see those large earth movers out there,
they don't have rubber tires. They have these spike these
spike wheels on them that have these knobs that are
on them, and they're driving back and forth and back,
and they're they're kind of stirring the thing up. It's
almost like mulching, oh wow. And it's kind of spinning
(36:25):
all the stuff up and co mingling. So even if
you think you're going to have a jackpot moment, you
know where you're going to show up and there's going
to be a skull sitting there, or there's going to
be a long, long bone protruding up out of a
bunch of milk jugs that have been ain't going to
happen wow, because this stuff has been pulpified it's been
shredded out there. I can understand why the police have
(36:49):
kind of lost hope and attempting to find the cole's body.
But they still have these two that they are going
to look to to try to extract as much information
as I possibly can, and also any kind of digital
evidence that you can track their movements, GPS, that sort
of thing, and GPS actually did play in to this
(37:12):
case where they're tracking the movements of these two as
they're trying you know, they're egressing toward toward Mexico.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
They figured it out that okay, we have them together.
Now in the media, they're saying that Jonathan Jones has
kidnapped this teenager and they have fled to me and
he has fled with her to Mexico. We need all
everybody on the lookout for these two people. She's in danger.
And that's that's how they got the attention. That's actually
how they were found, is how the US Marshalls end
up in Mexico to help find the guy. Now when
(37:42):
they do, by the way, click timeline. April eleventh is
when Kaitlyn Coons sneaks into Jonathan Jones's bedroom and the
homie chairs with his mother, Nicole. April nineteenth is the
day Kaitlyn Coons kills Nicole Jones and going to assume
(38:04):
they fled shortly thereafter. I mean they cleaned up the mess,
which are you going to find in the kitchen where
we believe that missus that Jonathan Jones's mother, Nicole was murdered.
Are we going to find blood and all that all
over the floor. I mean, even if they clean it
all up, we're still going to find blood remnant, right, Yes?
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Would they be looking for anything else? Hair, things like
that that might have fallen underneath the stove or the refrigerator.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Are those types of things going to be found on
that floor?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
A lot of that is dependent upon the level of
violence that we're talking about. And yeah, I would think that, boy,
wouldn't it be fantastic to get your hand on that rock?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:49):
And I'd like to try to understand how they concluded that,
because when you think about a rock and being in
most rocks that you can consider people and it can
be like an aggregate of broken concrete or I've seen
multiple things being referred to as a rock. When you
(39:11):
think about a rock generally does not have smooth edges
to it that they're not going to leave a mark behind.
It's going to be jagged ridges that cover the surface
of it. So let's just think about this. Every time
that you make a strike with a rock that has
(39:33):
a surface like this, you can have contact trace that
pulls away from the body. Particularly you know, you mentioned hair.
That's significant here because when and if you do multiple
strikes and you do break the scalp, which probably would
with a rock, there'll be blood transfer onto the rock.
Blood's very tacky, people understand that. And every time you strike,
(39:56):
you're pulling away more evidence from the body that would
be transferred to that rock.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Would there be an opportunity to find something in the
home like that? Well, yeah, you could say, yeah, we
found a hair, but just because you found a hair
in the home, you would expect to find hair her
hair and that home. So I don't know if that's
really going to lead. You would have to find something
a bit more robust, like a torn piece of flesh. Perhaps.
Is there something like that that is left behind and
(40:23):
that's where that you know, that idea of kind of
the violence of a bludgeoning, you know, but you do
have bludgeonings that you know, fracture the underlying skull, but
it doesn't leave a lot of blood evidence behind. Wow.
So it's yeah, I know it gets it gets very
very complex forensical, but it could be there and it
(40:44):
could be there, and it all depends on how deep,
how deep that the authorities at that particular time wanted
to wanted to dig into this.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
One thing you mentioned was GPS, and I wanted to
get to this very quickly because on the timeline now
we have April nineteenth, where Nicole Jones is murdered in
her kitchen by Kitlyn Coons. Allegedly they get rid of
the body and take off. Now in March, a couple
of weeks before Kaitlyn Coons left the group home and
(41:14):
hooked up back up with Jonathan Jones. He was convicted
in March of the previous charges that involved Caitlyn Coons
when she was fifteen.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
He is fitted with a.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
GPS tracking device when he leaves court that day, and
he's still wearing that device on April nineteenth when his
mother is murdered, so as he fails to disarm this
And this is the important part because as I told you,
it's being reported in the media that Jonathan Jones has
kidnapped a teenager and has fled to Mexico.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
He didn't.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is how they knew because he did not disarm
the GPS tracking device and so they knew where he
was pretty much. Now, according to the prosecuting attorney, they
believe that Jonathan Jones was having sex with underage girls
(42:07):
for years and that's what they're using to get people
involved in tracking him and the girl. Now they believe
they have murdered him. The police already believe a lot
of things they're not sharing with the public because they
got to find them in Mexico. The US Marshall Service
catches up with Jonathan Jones on do I say March
(42:31):
is May okay May eighth. US Marshall's Service Missing Child Unit, Okay,
Missing Child Unit is what captured Jonathan Jones. That's how
they were able to get the focus because of Caitlin
Coon's being underage, so they get him a mathe You
know what I did, Joe, because we know what all
(42:51):
was going on, and you guys now have learned a
lot of things that the media then pressed didn't share
right off the bat. This happened, you know, last year
April and May of twenty twenty three. I went back
and I looked up Kaitlyn Kuhn's Facebook page and I thought,
let's just see what was going on. On April fourteenth,
twenty twenty three, five days before the murder of Nicole Jones,
(43:15):
Kaitlyn Coons wrote, I was in a car accident February
twenty second and it changed me. I've realized so much
and I've become more aware and also gained new passions.
You know what they say, it will hit you when
you least expect it and make you realize you had
it better. Now I'm somewhere safe and looking forward to
(43:36):
almost becoming eighteen. She writes this, five days before she
kills her boyfriend's mother May sixth. We know they're on
the run. We know this is two days before Jonathan
Jones was picked up in Mexico by US Marshall's Joe.
This is what she writes on Facebook. I am not
(43:57):
on the run, so stop saying I am. I am
literally in Ohio about to be eighteen, and by myself.
I don't know any Jonathan. I'm a new person, not
like before. I've been doing really well and you guys
are trying to say I ran when I didn't. Please
stop lying for one last time.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Please.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I'm just trying to enjoy my life and this happens, Like,
come on, stop the drama. I'm in Ohio and not missing.
That's what she writes on May sixth. The next day,
May seventh, I don't know any Jonathan Jones and you
guys are putting us together. Shame on you people. You're
telling people the danger when he isn't causing, and that's
(44:41):
not civil or fair anyway. So I thought I would
just share that. That's what she was posting on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Wow, that's it's a very interesting narrative because you wonder
if again planning. Yes, that's that's what I'm thinking here.
You know, you're trying to s social media. It's possible
for people to at least contemplate doing that because people
that follow her. Maybe even if she's thinking the cops
are going to be looking at her social media, it
(45:11):
gives you idea or she's trying to plant that seed
that Hey, you know, I'm pure's the driven snow here.
I haven't done anything, but you know, Dave, that brings
us back to how sinister this case is in the
sense that for his part, Jonathan Jones is let's face it,
he's an evil sob I mean, he is purely evil.
(45:33):
You know, he's participated in these behaviors, these rapes, as
you had mentioned just second ago, with these underage with
an underage child. But then it's almost like it's kicked up.
I don't ever recall a case like this where it's
kicked up to another level where you have this child
(45:55):
who actually becomes a true perpetrator.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
And ra Adam is now the victim, is now evil.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Oh boy. Yeah, And you know, and I guess people
could you know, could sit around and coffee shop talk
to us as long as they wanted to and say, well,
it was because of his influence on her that she
became evil. But at the end, at the end of
the day, we know that there's a high probability that
(46:24):
Nicole Jones, her mortal remains will never be found, that
her body will forever be entombed in a landfill somewhere.
But I think that at least maybe for the moment,
we can rest easy in the fact that we know
(46:49):
that both Kaylen Coons and Jonathan Jones are in prison
now and hopefully for a very very long time. I'm
Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks
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