March 5, 2025 • 52 mins
Krystal, Saagar, Ryan and Emily react to Trump's State Of The Union speech.
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first Joint Address slash State of the Union. According to
our research, if it was a State of the Union,
which can we all agree to it.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Is, it would be the longest State of the Union.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Ever delivered by an American president, beating significantly President Clinton's
record in the year of two thousand, which was an
hour and twenty eight minutes. This one, by my rough
back of the Napkin math, is roughly around an hour
and forty three And yeah, it was long.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It was long.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Could have used an edit.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Could have used a few more kind of reminded.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Remember, God, I'm trying to think of the first one
of the first ones we covered here where Biden was
just like literally a laundry list.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I think we were all watching.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It's very common.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's very common.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I mean, let's not constituencies, they got to check the
box on whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
But yeah, it needed a good edit.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It was long.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It was long, and so that's we're trying to call
some of the best takeaways for all of you.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I would say the biggest one was no new.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Policy announcement on Ukraine, but there were some significant domestic
policy events that are that definitely bear registration. But the
thing is is that we should probably start with the
Democratic protest by Congressman Al Green, who opened the remarks.
There was some initial booing that was happening from the
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Democratic side. Congressman Green was standing for the duration of
the first couple of minutes before he was kicked out.
Anyone want to saying anything before we before.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We make people subject people to more clips from this
very long we just it just gets on top of
the like sure top of mind thoughts. I mean to me,
the big takeaways were the actually lack of new policy
specifics with regard to tariffs in Ukraine in particular, where
I think, you know, that's certainly where we perked up
(02:21):
and we're listening like, is you going to.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Say, are the terriffs on? Are the tariffs off?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Still don't know, which I think probably indicates that the
signaling that they might be rolled back could be the case,
because he certainly wasn't touting the Canada in Mexico twenty
five percent across the board. He was focusing on, Oh
we did this with China with steel. Oh we're looking
we're doing these reciprocal tariffs April, second, April, second down
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the road. He mentioned Canada and Mexico, but he did
not specifically tout the terrorifts that just went into effect,
which you know, if I'm reading in between the lines,
I feel like, Okay, well, that's probably an indication that
it is Lutnik was right. They are probably rolling back
or diminished to something.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Ukraine. I kind of feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know, he talked about the letter that he got
from Zelensky that we talked about earlier that is already public.
He talked about the desire to make a deal, and
you know, moving forward, So I think probably the reporting
about them continuing to work on this rare semnial deal
is also probably let's too accurate. I mean, it seems
like based on what he's saying, but he did not
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confirm any of those pieces.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, it is actually kind of surprising that there was
no new major initiative either on the tariffs on Ukraine,
especially because they were hyping that from news level. A
lot of the speech was basically messaging, So I was
clocking the time, so statistically most people turn off around
ten pm. Just they watched the first like thirty to
forty five minutes. Yeah, the first thirty forty five minutes.
(03:46):
So this is basically just a campaign speech. It was
like we won the election, historic landslide mandate. That's with
the Algreen protests and all of that happened. There was
a lot of culture war stuff there during that time period,
a lot of DEI trans CRT basically all the greatest
hits uh from Trump. We eventually then started to get
to the economy, doge and social security, and we're going
to play some of that for you, But any other thoughts.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
One of you guys gives your Mirror summary too before
we play, at least on the tariffs.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
On the tariffs front, at least he described why he
was going to do them, Like with with the Canada
and Mexico ones. He's just been telling us they've been
ripping us off and we subsidized Canada. And that's quite
light on those though. He went back to the old school.
We're going to if you're not a if you don't
have steel, you don't have a country. We're going to
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make steel, right, and so we're going to do these
targeted tariffs on steel and like aluminum, like so at
least like there was some like ethos behind it, like
back to the Oh, that's that's the thing about tariffs.
You're trying to actually build up industry inside the country
rather than we've been suffering through this like fiction about
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these these tariffs being fentanyl related.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, heyl there too, the minuscules.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I can either agree with it or disagree with it.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
That's you know.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
I think we've spent almost a decade now always potentially
anticipating I don't mean we so much, I mean the
media more broadly, some new version of Donald Trump, like
he doesn't have to run for re election now. He
felt like he was coasting on these high approval ratings
as his administration started.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
He's got Elon Musk by his side.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
And what he did was give a very like classic Trump, rambling, riffing,
very partisan. He ribbed Pocahontas in front of her face
like Elizabeth Warren. He called her Pocahontas during this media.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, what she must have done something something about the war,
like hold something up, Like I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
What was this?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The only I saw her like scrolling on her phone
at one point. But I didn't even make her like
participating in the protest whatever. But I mean, I don't
know that she necessarily had to do it. He just
has like animistic He just you know, whatever.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
It's a thing he doesn't changed, I think change on.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yes and no.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
The style of the speech, yes, typical Trump, you know,
going through his greatest hits in terms of his grand
election victory, and you know, calling Democrats out to their
fail like you would never clap for me, no matter what,
you know, putting them on.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Flats like that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's so said, no mater, how I did what I did,
it wouldn't be enough for you people. And then you know,
at the end of course, he's got to. He goes
back to retell the story of the assassination attempt and
how he was saved by God to save the country,
which makes me very uncomfortable when people start putting themselves
in those sort of messianic terms.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
But you know, again classic Trump up.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
But you know, on the like on the economic policy front,
as I'm just listening to the actual policies, like this
is a freaking Paul Ryan speech, Like we're talking about deregulation,
we're talking about social security, we're talking about tax cuts.
I mean, it was very I was like, this is
a coke network policy agenda.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You have a with tariffs?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
He did, Yeah, that got but again that he's like,
I mean, we're not even clear on what that is.
But the piece that he frontloaded with was all the
just like standard conventional Republican stuff that he ran so
hard against and positioned himself so hard against back in
twenty fifteen. Now we all know the record of the
actual Trump administration the first time around, where their biggest
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accomplishment was a giant tax cut for the rich.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
But to me, that combined with he.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Was you know, trying to get applause lines on oh
we're going to get rid of the budget deficit, and
then reading down the list of all the wasteful government
programs like the transgender mice, you know, all of those things,
like that's Fox. I used to do a lot of
Fox News hits back in the you know, post to.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Like twenty eleven time frame.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
That was the spot.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And yeah, it was every day.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It was like, oh my god, they spent ten dollars
per month in at this conference.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Or they're always very love it was all.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And so I'm like, oh, this is such a throwback
to the Paul Ryan talking points, just delivered through a
Trump you know Trumpian pinas.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
All that chaos and all we get is like different
lies about social security.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, he's out.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
There saying that like one hundred and sixty year olds
are getting solid security.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And it's like even Fox News actually debunks that talking.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay, let's say let's say that commentary. So do you
want to just do the social skillity, Go.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ahead and cueue up social security. Let me see what
number number five? Number five guys, if you can cueue
this up where he starts talking about social security and
he's reiterating the lies that Elon spread about the you know,
people who are supposedly three hundred years old or whatever
and still getting so scary. We know none of this
is true, but it doesn't matter. It's still in the
present speech. If we've got that, let's go ahead and
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roll it.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
We're also identifying shocking levels of incompetence and probable fraud
in the Social Security program for our seniors, and that
areur seniors and people that we love rely on. Believe
it or not, Government databases list four point seven million
Social Security members from people aged one hundred to one
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hundred nine years old.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I mean, make no mistake when you're setting up. And
this is why it was significant.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
That Trump brought it up.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
When you were bringing this up, you were creating a
pretext to cut the program, and again totally counter to
the way Trump has always positioned himself. And he'll use this,
these lies about alleged fraud to justify the cuts. And
we already see, you know, dogs gutting the Social Security
administration is actually a warning from Martin Malley, who was
previously Social Security Administrator, that it cannot the system cannot
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handle that level of cuts, and that people should start
saving their money in anticipation that the program could face
disruption just from not.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Having a enough staff the hotline.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You know, people who answer the hotlines are being cut
offices across the country are being cut. So to me,
when the word social security came out of his mouth
in the context of like, oh, there's all this giant
fraud et cetera, et cetera, that is a huge indication
of direction.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That was the most important political moment of the speech
to me. I think I said that to you guys
at the time. I was like, that is very important.
Not only is it Donald Trump endorsing the elon strategy
around that, but he's taking ownership of what is very
likely to be extremely unpopular. And this gets to the
way that this will all happen. So it's very unlikely
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to see a top line across the board cut of
Social Security right pass by the Congress and the next
tax bill, even in terms of entitlement reform or whatever.
But there may be at least elements to chip away
at the program or at the very least like reduced
successibility now currently regardless, I mean, you've got your hand
basically right there on the rail the most potent political weapon.
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I mean, I remember being with the four of you
guys talking when Biden had that problem where he's like hey,
He's like, okay, we're all agreeing, we're not going to
cut Social Security. So the problem that they have is
even if they pursue no cuts, is that even tampering
with the program is going to have tremendous blowback from
a lot of people. But last thing on this, they
may be able to get around it because they also
(11:22):
said during the speech the no tax on Social Security,
which we all won't know, will be extremely popular with
a lot of seniors. I mean how much I'm thinking
if you're one hundred percent reliant on Social Security, like
that's what probably what almost ten fifteen to twenty five
percent of your income that's going back to tax. I've
said before, I think it's crazy, Like why does the
government give you money if just to take it back?
It actually is very inefficient.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
The Reagan Compromise brought that in, which is what to
have income tax on social It didn't used to be taxed.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
It's like, why would you give you a lump sum
of money and then take a portion of it back
and expect you to file it and then we'll take
it back forty five days later.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
If there's only one interesting thing other than everything you
guys have said that I noticed on this point is
his line about social security as he started this conversation.
He is slightly new framing from the old Republican talking point.
He says, we are also identifying shocking levels of incompetence
and probable fraud in the social security program our seniors
rely on, which is interesting because Republicans used to just
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demonize social Security, and in this he's trying to frame
it as saying, I'm saving our seniors from the fraud
that is dragging down social security. To Ryan's point about
you're just dressing up the same old talking points about
social security in different language, that's basically the best example
of it. He's saying, we're doing all of this tea
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party talking points or all this tea party rhetoric if
you tweak it to say we're doing this to save
the program.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Paul Ryan two was saying he was going to save
social security. Yes, by privatizy.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
He was like, We're going to raise a retirement agent.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But the idea the way it's always framed, Oh my god,
this is going that I care so much about is
going bankrupt and we have to save it.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Like that's the way it's always Frank trying to.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
End since the nineteen thirties, Right, we really loved so much.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But we're just really interested in the best interest of
this program. That's what these cuts are all about. So,
but it is a little bit of a twist.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
On that, but it's not that far from the way
that it was portrayed in the Paul Ryan era.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
But it's not.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Yeah, I think that's the thing, Like overall, it did
sound like twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, yeah, Look so at this point, anyone who's surprised
by that, Like, I don't know what it was Like
we had him for whole first time, didn't we Like
where all of this went through.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
He said he won't touch security, Medicare. He probably won't
at the top.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Line in the way that Paul Ryan and all those
other folks will this chipping away and all of that,
Like I don't, I don't. I'm not yet sure how
far they're going to go or if they're really that stupid,
Like are you really so stupid that you would actually
acts what's seventy five percent of the SSA offices or
privatize it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's like, good luck. See how it happened to George W.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Bush in a project two thousand and five, a project
led by two billionaires.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean the optive optics of it would be insane,
especially if it happened at the very same time that
you passed a massive tax cut and extension for the rich, which.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
They are all on record they're going to do it, Like.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
The only question is if they also include the no
tax on tips. I will say I do think that
the tips and social security thing could potentially I wouldn't
say it saved them, but make it more of a
wash than the last time. Twenty seventeen was just so
naked in terms of what the actual policy was. But
the tips thing, I mean, we all know it's gonna
be very popular and they're going to message the hell
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out of it. And same with the no tax on
social security. I could see that being like some sort
of counter valance and all that. But I mean, look, they're.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Playing with fire. They're playing with the same fire they're
playing with under Rick Scott. Like it just never ends.
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
There's also no guarantees that those policies make it in.
I mean, it's not spell down in the Republican budget
and actually.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
The yeah, they don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The numbers as they exist, you know, and what they
have said that they're working with in terms of the
amount that they've allocated for tax cuts would not be
sufficient to include no tax on tips and no tax
on we know, the four trillion dollar tax cut, like
that part is locked in the rest of it. And
then you also have to throw in there the salt
tax situation.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, they got to go to twenty percent.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
For them as well, and that's yeah, that's expensive. So
there's also just like no guarantee that any of that
actually happens. And like I said, it was not actually
in the Republican budget that passed the House that Trump
had backed.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
The ideal is we all just stop all this fakery
on the debt and we just include all those things.
You know. It's like can actually put some of the
good stuff in there at the very least. So we
talked about social security, we should definitely talk about doze.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, so we've got number four guys, if you could
queue that up.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
So Elon got a huge shout out from Donald Trump.
Donald Trump may have slipped up a little bit here, though,
because in this acknowledgment he not only acknowledges Elon, he
actually says Elon is the head of Doze, which is
the opposite of what his government is currently arguing in court.
But nonetheless it was important because.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Amy there to get her round of apply America.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
She's in South America.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
She's the one that playing.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
She's a She's a three hundred and twenty six year
old woman in South America.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Uh so Elon got a shout out.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
This was important just for I mean, look like Maga
is now like equals Elon. And you really see this
where Trump acknowledges him, he gets the entire Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The optics of this are.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Wild who are on the floor of the House of
Representatives to look up and to clap at Elon.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
As Elon stands. He did wear a suit.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Though, so apparently the guy does O one number four guys,
let's take a lesson, and.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
To that end, I have created the brand new Department
of Government Efficiency Go perhaps you've.
Speaker 9 (16:55):
Heard of it, which is headed by Elon Musk, who's
in the gallery tonight.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So there you go not only huge Elon shout out,
but then you know, subsequently talking about there was a
good I would say, what do you guys think like
five to seven.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Minute period of just listing dose stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
That's where the transmis thing comes from. So that I
thought was pretty important just in terms of not only
not backing away from Doge openly endorsing it, making Elon
a central part of the state of the Union talking
here about the social security So on the economic front,
this is the one where they they don't yet seem
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to sense what they perceive, that they perceive any danger.
I think the only sign of it maybe is on
the egg price line that he did deliver.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, that's all I really saw, how he kind of
opened the economic piece. But yeah, I was just trying
to look back up the tweet. But Portnoy had tweeted
something about like Trump had a line that was, you know,
will no longer be ruled.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
By unelected bureaucrats?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And port Nooy right, really was like, well, that's kind
of a tough thing to make really, and Elon is
out there running the entire government as co president, so
that is ruled by unelected bureaucrats.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, why Dave's Matt is because there's a crypto recession
right now and he's got shit coins, so he still
needs to sell to that.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
He's working through.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
He's working through some things, but still interesting to see
the Portnoy response there. I mean, listen, it's this is
the most significant difference between Trump two point zero and
Trump one point zero is elon And you know, you
see it in the way that Trump has shifted his ideology.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I mean always some.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Of his populist rhetoric and approach was fakery, given the
commitment to tax cuts for the rich.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
But the austerity.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Framing, like spending all of these minutes going through these
quote unquote wasteful programs which they frame us fraud and
that always irritates me because it's really just like spending
that you don't like. Ryan grim here is the one
who has found the most fraud than anyone.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I did not get credit from the podium was outrageous.
I gave you credit. Were Trump right?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
They're the ones that found the four hundred million dollars the.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Armored Tesla thing that actually was It looks like they
like cook the books to be like, oh, we could
slip this in and no one will notice wrong, Ryan
Grim will notice. So I think Jeremy Scahill called it
the Department of Grim Efficiency.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That's a dosee I could get behind.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Had four hundred million dollars armored Tesla's who needs an
armored tesla?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Losing action?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You could have set electric vehicles and then it would
be like, you know, very lip coded, get.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Away with it, all right, We have the egg price,
guys number three, can you queue that up?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So this was an important line for Trump.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
It's kind of how it began the Economics Action, but
it was an acknowledgment of being elected with a mandate
on inflation and trying.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
To address it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So let's go ahead and put it up there on
the screen and play it for everyone, just to give
everyone a taste.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
Joe Biden especially, let the price of eggs get out
of control. The egg price is out of control, and
we're working hard to get it back down.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Secretary, do a good job on that. You inherited a
total mess from the previous administration.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Do a good job, all right.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
So you can also see some of the Democrats that
were leaving there with the resist t shirts that were on.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I think that was. I think that was Jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes, it was. Do we want to clount on some
of the Democrats? What do you think, Well, me, let.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Me climb on the egg thing.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well, it's just, I mean, hard to really make this
case on a day when you announced twenty five percent
across the board terrace Canada and Mexico. And he has
said that he does not really think that inflation is
the reason that people voted for him, and that has
certainly been reflective in the lack of any sort of
an approach to dealing with inflation. And so to me,
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it was really noteworthy that this was kind of the
first he did a bunch of culture war stuff and
a lot of like patting himself on the back for
an election victory and trying to own the Libs and
the Dems whatever, and then the first economic.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Piece he gets to is eggs.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So it did indicate to me like, Okay, the administration,
whoever wrote this speech and Trump himself feel like they've
got a bit of a problem here.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
And the pulse have reflected that if you ask people,
do you feel like they.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Are doing enough on prices, pretty overwhelming when people are
like no, I do not feel like they're doing enough
on prices, and that is one of the political challenges
and warning signs for them. Also, as we played in
that Harry Entin sat before we got into this, you know,
his numbers, his economic numbers in terms of the approval
of his handling of the economy are low, and that's
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always been a strong suit for him.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
So I do feel like they were.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Trying to play a little bit of cleanup on the
egg prices thing, you know, blame it on Biden, say well,
I promise we're working really hard on it, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
And that was noteworthy to me.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, it could work for now, Like I said, you know,
you have a little bit of runway, but after two three.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Months, like you know, the runways, the runway is going
to be over.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Especially if they feel all this doze stuff. This is
my greatest I mean, I still can't get away from this.
It's almost fifty days in to the Trump administration, almost
halfway of the first one hundred days. The most consequential
part and what it's just been doge elon Like there's
been almost nothing else.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I haven't even seen deportation take Matt.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
You know, like that I saw I think it was
Joe Wisenthal said that he's like the only thing that's
really surprised me other than Doge is the fact that
deportation has not taken such a center stage like they've
had Tom Homan on, They've had a few like high.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Profiles out there. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, Jack, they're trying to you know, I was watching
Fox News at home, not by choice because the whole
Ukraine thing. I was trying to watch it live, and
I got an ad from Kirsty No telling I legal
immigrants to go home.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Like are they watching Fox News?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
There's some ways that they That's as.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I was shocked by it. I was like, this is
like the most inicient views of money.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
These are a bunch of like seventy year old white
boomers who are watching this right now daytime Fox as well.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
So anyway, he did the Guantanamo things because it's a spectacle.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, but it was just a number he needs.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But that's my point on that is that even with that,
I mean, as far as I know all of that,
it hasn't been like a particularly large number.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
They haven't necessarily been prioritizing criminals as opposed to like
just whoever they happen to round up. There's never been
any like transparency around it. They haven't released the daily
figures the way that they have. Instead, they're trying to
make these flash like spectacle things like you guys are saying,
but like empirically, I mean, you can just look at
the number and you can say this is not impressive whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I mean, look, you know, give credit where due.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I guess on the border crossings, but that's not the
same thing as opposed to kind of what was promised.
So if you look at you know, on the inflation
and the immigration point where there's two things, I would
say he's probably the most responsible for getting him elected.
You have not seen the vast majority of the energy
getting focused on that he is hoping. And this speech
really did crystallize a lot of like the Trump victory
(24:19):
to me is look, I mean, he if you listen
to the first forty five minutes of this, which statistically
most people are watching, what was it was culture war
all day long?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Right, he believed it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Wasn't just bad it was, but it was that it
was that, but it was like trans it was the
greatest hits, like of all the Republican culture with.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Our country important, woke, Our country will be woke.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Free speech is back on a day that you know,
when they're announcing their requires people actually read.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
He went on vaccines as well, like this was a
lot of culture we're talking points.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
He was actually talking about how I can pull this up.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, well, Bobby Kennedy is looking into Bobby Kennedy is
looking into.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
We should look at he said.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
This is the quote he said we have.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
He's not at the end, but there was much later on.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Right, But it's like the culture war thing.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
He said, since nineteen seventy five, rates of child cancer
have increased more than forty percent. Reversing this trend as
one of the top priorities of our new presidential Commission
to Make America Healthy Again, Chared Bran, new Secretary of
HHS RFK Junior. Our goals to get ToxS inst out
of our environment, poisons out of our foods, supplying keep
our children healthy and strong. As an example, not long ago,
one in ten thousand children had autism.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Now it's one in thirty.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So the first part of that makes me so irritated, because,
first of all, obviously they just cut a bunch of
funding for research, including into you know, cancer, and in addition,
they have spent the first period in office rolling back
some of the restrictions on chemicals like pfasts.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
So yeah, it's just so I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Me, it's just so he ended that section of a
speech by saying something is wrong and we're going to
find out what it is.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So I mean, something is wrong. It's true.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Yeah, yeah, of that is.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
RK.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Junior is looking into the vaccines. I don't idea.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I mean, I if you want it that, if you
want that, you could take that from it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But I don't know. I didn't see it was necessarily.
I mean, he was obviously signaling it if he.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Like for the people who want to hear that, but
it's also like on an empirical basis when people hear
that those I'm not against.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That, right, but it's me. It's my point around it
all was.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I was like, he believes that that is the most
important reason why you want to me.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
There's no other reason why you would start forty five
minutes of your speech off this way.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's obvious.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
So he thinks that this alone is going to be
enough to coast him. And by the way, I think
he could be right.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
I mean, there's a huge you know, the whole Maga
universe online and all this, all the transgender like the
woman who's standing up, who was hit by a woman
by the.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Volleyball thing like that.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You know, that's what they live for, right, Like that's
that's the reason Ben Shapiro and Matt Walshalls are in
the audience.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
But it's it's also to get a contrast with Democrats
not applauding those lines. It's very intentional, and that's I
think it's powerful.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
With Peyton mcnat I read it a little different. You
won't be surprised to hear.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I mean, listen, it's the exact thing that Democrats do
when they want to cover for their lack of agenda
that delivers for working class people. They fix it on
identity and cultural issues. And it's the same shit. It's
just from Trump. This is you know, they like, people
aren't happy with how the economy is going. They feel
that it's getting worse and it already wasn't great. The
(27:38):
you know, obviously today the stock market fell off a
cliff and you've got, as we were saying before, the
super sentiment can super spending down, and there's warnings in.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
The manufacturing sector.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You've got this warning from the Atlanta Fed like people
are not satisfied with that direction. And he really isn't
offering anything in the near term that you can point to.
I mean maybe no tax on tips, maybe, but so instead, ed,
what do you do You usher in an agenda that's
been really good for people like Elon Musk and other
oligarchs by saying, oh.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
This is about DEI this is about woke. Woke is over.
Don't you feel great?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So that's how I read the reason why it was
front loaded with culture war, the same reason that you
know that Democrats who weren't delivering for working class people
also would be in the culture war.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I'm not disagreeing with the word you're saying.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, I mean, I do think it's still obviously very
politically powerful. Unfortunately, this is the hold that Trump has.
Oh yeah, guys, please remind me on a future show.
A listener of our show who works for the DoD
who voted for Trump sent me a very long email
about why he voted for Republicans even though he works
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within the d D and his reasoning. It reminds me
of all this because it was for cultural war reasons,
specifically talking about Pepjoes whatever. If you recall I made
that comment, I was like, I don't I was like,
anyone who voted for the federal voted for Trump, and
he worked for the federal government.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I was like, I don't really know what to tell you.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I was like, you're kind of an idiot if you
didn't think that something like this was going to happen
to me. He sent me a very long justification for
why he did it. I actually think it bears discussion
with all of us. But that's a tease for the futures.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Her. Now he's still like, yeah, I did the right then, No,
he does not regret it.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
He's voted for Trump for three times.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
He voted for Trump because Democrats could not define what
a woman is. But he is upset about the doche
cuts and in the in the logic of the email,
it really hit home for me why I still think
that this is very politically, very politically strong.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Territory for Trump. Now how long he can ride on it.
I have no idea. Right, we'll be America.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
They'll give you the runway, and this will you know,
this will keep people feeling as if things are very different.
It's still you know, only a month or so into
the new administration, but how long until it gets old?
And that's when I think it starts to become from And.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
This is what I don't think Republicans are doing this
on purpose, but I do think one of the big
lessons for Democrats should be that if you're asked to
choose between Trump and Republicans, red meat, culture warfare and Democrats,
for many voters, Republicans still come out on top, even
if they don't like the way that Donald Trump talks. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
(30:07):
And so that's where I know we're going to talk
about al Green. We teased it a little bit earlier
and the like resist t shirt walk out the paddle
signs that looked like, as some people were joking, fogo
to chow can bring me my meat signs.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
And so again for a lot of voters that Democrats
are like, it's I get it.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Like Trump.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Trump went for an hour and forty minutes an extremely
partisan speech and said some wild stuff and called the
senator Pocahontas to her face.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
But then they look at the Democrats, They're like you
guys deserve it.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
So let's start with the Al Green thing. That what
is that number one? So this was the first Democratic protest.
I thought there were going to be a lot more.
Actually I was surprised that there won't again.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
A rock star. Yeah, they got to a very start
and then became extremely lame.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
So Al Green here being escorted out of the House chamber.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
He was shaking, literally shaking his cane.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Donald Trump, not since Charles Sumner, right right, Ryan, Not
since Charles Sumner is a cane so loudly been felt
on the floor of the United States Congress.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 12 (31:15):
Finding that members continue to engage in willful and concert
the disruption or proper decorum, the Chair now directs the
Sergeant at Arms to restore order, remove this gentleman from
the chamber.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
All right, So that was Al Green, congressman getting escorted out.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
He said he was shouting at him he have no
mandate to cut medicaid.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Let's also put a number. Apparently that's what he that's
what he claims kicks out.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Apparently people only heard you have no mandate. Let's go
to the number two. Please the screenshot. Can you guys
put that up while I talk. This is the one
that's going pretty viral from what people are saying, it's lame.
Some of the what are the like placards being piled up, signs.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Small signs, small round bingo like signs.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Being held up by Democrats include musk stels, that's a lie,
that's from Rashida to leave, she's a whiteboard, false false,
musk steels, save medicaid, musk steels some false and that going.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
They should have all said save medicaid.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Seriously, Yeah, I agree, I was like, save medicaid. That
is probably the most powerful one. You Crystal scent to
this from the Daily Show. Fun fact, Democrats are wearing
pink tonight as a symbolic protest against people who want
them to do something meaningful. So that's pretty damn Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
So personal.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I mean, clearly like they are getting the message that
people want them to do more, but they just have
no idea what that actually looks like.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I will say I thought.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Rocanna and Tim Walls had a really good idea, which
is all these Republicans are like, oh, we're not going
to do town halls anymore, and they're like, okay, well
come your district, new town. You know, that's smart, and
I think we'll play really well and you know, put
pressure on Republicans like, ah shit, this guy's doing a
town all my district. I guess I need to show up,
or at least it's sort of shameful to them to
not show up. Bernie Sanders obviously, he's also I think,
(33:15):
delivering a response along with Alyssa's luck in.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yes, she's speaking right now, she's speaking right now.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I'm monitoring the quote.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, the deep stat is responding Alyssa's sludge.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Currently says Reagan is rolling in his grave afirmatively talking
about Reagan.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Let's see what else here.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
But I also think, you know, the Bernie Sanders oligarchy
tour going to specifically swing Republican districts where you know,
the Republican House they need every single vote to be
able to do anything, and so he's recognized that as
a pressure point. I think that's also very intelligent. But yeah,
I mean these things just read is like sort of.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
The only indication that Democrats would be getting the message
would be if they said, you know what, Bernie, you'd
do the response, yes, that would at least be surprising
to people.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
So instead they picked a CIA spook from Michigan who
actually says no guardrails on what they do. We need
more efficient government. You want to cut waste, I'll help
you do it. But does but change doesn't need to
be chaotic or make us less safe.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, I mean she's one of the ones that she's
voted for a bunch of Trump pets. She voted for
the Lake and Riley act, Like you know, she's that's
who she is. And it also speaks to okay, not
just would it indicate they're getting it from a sort
of like policy perspective if they had Bernie Sanders respond.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
But people would actually watch right now.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Bernie is racking up there, it would go viral millions of.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Views on everything he does.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean, he is an absolute TikTok sensation, and these
town halls were getting insane views like everything he says
and does is going viral.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
So why wouldn't you be like, maybe that guy.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Should be the one or row you know, or row
or listen the whole thing about giving the oversight ranking
Committee member to Jerry Connolly instead of AGOC, Like what
are you thinking? One of these people knows how to
communicate and understands the attention economy and is on it
and understands the online like attention ecosystem.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
But the other one earned it, Crystal, and the other
one he's been waiting this.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
You know, it's in line follow.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
It's just total total insanity.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
If the Dems get a tea party, how big was
a tea party blowout in twenty ten?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It was like they've picked up like sixty.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Jenuine.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I want to say something.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
If that happened to the Dems, would that happen like
the Jerry Connolly stuff still happened, and would Hakeem like
get to keep his seat?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Ca Yeah, b.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Who the Democrats if they get a Republican style tea
party blowout when in the House of Representatives and Democrats,
Democrats take control, definitely.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I mean the Keems.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
So you think he'll stay even though they don't like him.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It depends on.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
It's kind of depends on the kind of characters who win,
and it depends on if that dem tea party also
consists of not just winning in Republican seats but primary
people that they're you.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Know, disgusting.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
And I've mentioned this before, but I went back and
looked at the Tea Party era polling for Republican base
voters how they felt about Republican congressional leaders, and it
is very similar to the way that Democratic voters feel
right now about democratic leadership. Democratic leaders are underwater by
like nine points in the last pole that we saw.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
This is so different from twenty sixty.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
You guys know poloc shift like they sell, Oh, these
people are doing the thing we want.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Them to do. These are our heroes, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It is not like that anymore. And so you know,
if you had some of these people who have been
the most disappointing getting primaried, and you have a more
sort of like forceful radical group that comes in that
doesn't owe their seats to the Party of Styles, then
you could end up with some different dynamics. And I
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think the other thing that opens up that possibility is
that liberals are also completely disenchanted with their media outlets,
and so that creates a really different dynamic as well.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
So there's a lot of IFFs here about how this
will all.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Go down, but I will say I think the indications
are very much in the direction of you're probably going
to have a blowout your blue waveyear for Democrats. Just
you know, if you look at history and backlash to
parties that have complete power, if you look at we're
so early and there's already this level of sentiment and
Republicans who are hiding and worried, and Elon is just
(37:37):
doing his thing and they're going after Social Security and
the economy is on the brink. I think you could
be setting up quite a catastrophe for.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
The work could be.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I mean, it could phase out because it's he party
peaked in what oh nine, right around nine months in.
That's when the t That's when the Obamacare stuff was
really happened, and then it is special he was right
there at the tail of nine into ten and then
going into the midtermine.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
Well, I guess.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
I mean I would say maybe, honestly, I would put
it through the Senate the what did Obama call it
the route or whatever he said in twenty four lacking, Yeah,
shellacking in twenty fourteen. I would I would extend it
through that.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely. I was just thinking in terms
of timing. So if the Democratic whatever.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
Coffee oh, I say, ok.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
The Coffee Party peaks like thirty days in because Trump
administration it could still you know, it could still like
it could still actually phase out, or you know, who knows.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
So much depends on what Trump's policies due to the economy.
I think, yeah, I think you're right, because you know,
he could back off. He could say no, it's just
kidding on these tariffs. Federal workers are allowed back in
with a federal judge, and then he could say we're
going to fire them all in September, and then he
doesn't actually fire them in September because things are struggling
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then and you get a little downturn and then it
comes back up. Or you could get this full on
Trump thing where he's like, no, we're really true, we're
doing some major transition. Like in his speech tonight, he's
alluding to real difficulties ahead.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, he said to the farmers, he said, there'll be
they'll be a little bit of adjustment, but we're okay
with that, which you know Elon also promised like hardship,
temporary hardship.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
He's trying to do.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
He's trying to do a thing that politicians have done
many times over the generations, bring people together in times
of hardships that we collectively can then get to a
better place. Except he also wants to do it while dismissing, attacking,
and calling the other half the country a bunch of
traders and losers. So FDR had you know, sixty plus
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seats in the Senate and sixty you know, and one
massive mandate, so he could say, all right.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
We're all doing this, we're all doing.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
This together, we're rowing together, and it's just the bankers
that are against us. Trump's like, we're all in this together,
except like half the country, the universities, the doctors.
Speaker 13 (39:57):
Every federal every federal someone's got to that university, all
the teachers, the capitol police, like, but everyone else, Yeah,
we're in it.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
We're in it.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
So I don't know how you do both of those things,
because he wants to do he wants to ask for
shared sacrifice without sharing any common value.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We're sharing the sacrifice among people like Elon Musk who
are getting you know, just after Lusk wants.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
To be joyful about what he's doing to people, rather
than like read people in and say this is why
we're doing I.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Think your point though about if they back off after
a catastrophic three months or not even catastrophic bad three
months I.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Mean that's long enough time.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
You know, that's almost what several months to go to
the midterms, and so you could at least see some
sort of change. The problem is is that right now
we have no indication that that's.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Going to happen.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Elon's getting a shout out, the State of the Union,
those is getting you know, lists getting read off. You've
got the Social Security fraud thing, and we're going a
whole hog on the tariff. So it's like, okay, well
that that's all we can really go off right now. Yeah,
tax cut, that's the thing. The tax is a separate category.
That's gonna happen. That's not changing at all. Oh, I
see the other stuff might change at top.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Of that, likely medicaid cuts, you.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Know, and in the same way that social here actually
do flub some Social Security checks, like all people.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Will lose it. I agree with you. Yeah, and they
should lose it. That's that's that's great.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
They're flirting with that. I mean, you're flirting with that.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
They're flirting with another plane crash that really can be laid.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I left that out.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
You're exactly right, which is that if there's a major
natural disaster, if there's a major hurricane after they've been
cutting all these Noah things, and where they can't properly
call a category four or a category five, and some.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
People, even if it's not their fault, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Where they've gutted FEMA and they can't properly respond to
which you know, responding to a natural disaster even with
the best of government funding levels is difficult.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
You've got a potential shutdown coming up.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I mean, there's just there's just disaster around every corner
and an economy that's already starting to turn south. So
I think, you know, it would take a lot at
this point to recover from the trajectory that they've already
set things on, and you know, to see Elon there.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
It's just this is the part that I.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Could not have predicted, is how much of the presidency
he would see to Elon like I just could not
have seen that, nobody would have.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
And the thing is is it goes against everything that
we know about Donald exactly. Why would he ever see
I still don't understand it. Why would you ever seed
so much? Could not control? What does Trump care about?
Attention media? Every probably American at this point who's even
tangentially aware of the Trump News could.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Tell you about Elon could be a good thing, could
be a bad thing. Why would you want that? Why
would you want your presidency defined?
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Find this guy with fifteen kids and all this other
baggage and weird shit that he does all the time.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
He's really tied his brand literally one of the most
eccentric and polarizing people in the world, right and he
could be having he could actually be having roughs vote
like out there doing doge, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And it would it would not even be a headline.
It would it would be first of all, we were
done properly. Second of all, it would be done or
verse like legally or you know, in terms of it
would be it would be much more within the line
of like traditional Washington process and they could fight it
out and in the institutions and the norms like and
I mean it seems to be. That seems why Vivek
(43:25):
ultimately left Dose was really over a beef on something
like this his white people tweet acide. But yeah, just
putting it together, I mean, that's just the most shocking
part about all of this is like he's playing the
fire and I think that's the theme that I've I've
really come away from this state of the Union. I
think there was a ton of raid meat. If your maga,
you'll love it. And of course you you're gonna love
You're gonna love anything. The guy says, there's lots of
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culture war stuff and all that. But you know, for
for us, like when we look at the dangers of
natural disaster, social security, economic problems, and then just you know,
chaotic nature, people feeling as if they are not in control,
those are all very very dangerous places.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I also, I also think that the amount of gutting
of like white color police that they've done is a risk,
is like gutting the CFPP and gutting the SEC enforcement.
I mean, you've just got such like out right crop.
You guys see the story about people paying a million
or five million dollars to.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Have five five million, five million dollars to have a
one on one dinner.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
With which Trump, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Just he doesn't even need the money.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
It's it's for campaign, the coin, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
It's to a campaign fund. And why do you need
five million dollars for your campaign?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
I mean, you've got that, You've got the crypto dude
who gave him, you know, seventy five million dollars into
his mean coin, and then oh SEC dropped enforcement. And
so when you put all of these together, it's like
this is just like Elon and his billionaire buddies, like
they're just robbing and plundering the government.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
I mean, the picture adds up. It's it does.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Doesn't take a genius political messenger, even this lame ass
Democratic Party can put those pieces together to say like
this administration is about the rich. And but you know,
to go back to the Trump and Elon point, like
even just to see the spotlight of his State of
the Union address for standing ovation to Elon, I don't
(45:22):
think any of us could have anticipated that. And it
really does ask some questions about like, what the hell
is going on here? Does he care? Is there some
sort of a deal? What has made it so that
he is just really ceeded his previous ideological positioning to
Elon and the most prominent, most public parts of his
entire government administration to Elon. And you're to your point
(45:45):
about immigration, like I'm glad he's not making good on
this particular promises nice the same as job but are
actually lower than Joe Biden and that was the part
that you know, in terms of one of the promises
to work in class people again, and I don't this
isn't accurate in my view, and I don't think that
a mass deportation would help. I think that would further
hurt the economy. But that was like the prep pledge
(46:07):
to working class people was that this is.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
The thing that's really going to help you.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
And because it's not a priority of Elon, it's the
part that's actually not really getting done again. I'm glad
about that, but it is noteworthy to me that the
part that has been so central to Trump but is
not really particularly priority to Elon outside of him currying
favor with MAGA, that part has kind of fallen, by.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
The way, right on top of the Golden visa thing,
which is like a Silicon Valley wet dream where they
get to just buy their citizenship in.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
H one B, which he sided with Elon or.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah, and he even mentioned that in this he's actually
trying to fuse Golden Visa with He's trying to.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Fuse Golden visa with the H one B program. If
you heard there, it's like at any of these.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Universities, Facebook can pay five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
So yeah, Facebook gonna pay five million dollars for a coder. Okay,
well the whole point the h one.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's like that made you think me.
All right, we've been talking for long enough. You guys
got any last things he wants to say?
Speaker 6 (47:01):
Actually, all I was going to say is and Democrats
were sitting there with their stupid paddle signs, and so,
I mean, I don't disagree with everything that we've all said.
I just think the big takeaway, to the extent that
Americans pay attention to this, I think Donald Trump successfully
baited Democrats into a complete public relations disaster for themselves.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yea, I wouldn't say it's a disaster. I don't know.
I think I disagree on that.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
Cool Wallas is already saying that little kid DJ.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
It was like the highlight human Republicans, Democrats all find
a good human story in every state of the Union.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
This was the one from that. He's already saying.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Nicole Wallace, she's already out on the MSNBC airway of saying,
I hope he has a long life as a law
enforcement officer, but I hope he never has to defend
the United States Capitol against Donald Trump supporters, and if
he does, I hope he has one of the sex
who loses his life to suicide.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
I just you know, it's like, I don't disagree that
it's cringed, but I wouldn't call it a relations.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
They're not I mean, their memes are, They're not the
center of the evening.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, I think. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (48:11):
I think it was so bad that those I think
those I think those optics were so bad with them
with the paddle signs, they're just like perfect meme fodder.
Speaker 7 (48:19):
I think that was so so bad. That idea was
so bad.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
I don't know, Al Green waving the.
Speaker 6 (48:24):
Cane and the paddle signs. I think it was so
bad that it will a lot of people will see that.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I think you could be right. I see a lot
of right wing like, oh, they didn't even clap for this.
Is that's people really like? And also it was one
hundred minute speech. It is long. Yeah, I don't think anything.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Here's one other thing that I that I would point to,
Emily is I was looking at the some of the
pulling around this and the approval rating of like Democrats
and the Democratic Party and Congressional Democrats is in the tank. Yes,
And yet when you ask people who do you prefer
on a generic congresstional ballot Democrats, I'm the latest one
(49:05):
was by five, which is significant. Yeah, which is going
to I mean, listen, you take them with a gardenissal whatever.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
But you shouldn't look.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
At the fact that their approval, Like when people are
like do you like these people are like no, but
you like them better than these other people? They are
like yeah, kind you know, because and that's that is
a natural ebb and flow to politics. But also Republicans
are truly enacting an agenda, and Trump in particular that
is polls that is really unpopular. I mean, the Greenland
stuff is unpopular, Gaza is unpopular. The even the Gulf
(49:36):
of America thing, which I thought people might eat up,
even that's unpopular, right, a lot of these pieces, and
Doge is unpopular, and Elon's unpopular, and cutting social security
and cutting medicaid and getting taxes were like, all of
these things are really really unpopular. And so when you
put that together and it's like, hey, do you want.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Maybe a check on that? Even if these people are
kind of lame.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
They're like, yeah, probably not to mention, Democrats have the
benefit now of the co that previously used to benefit
Republicans and mintterms, which is their people freaking show up.
Speaker 7 (50:04):
Yeah, that's true the midterm election.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
That matters a lot.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
So that's why I listen luck and at between now
and blah blah blah, caveats, et cetera. But I would
I think we're probably headed in the direction of a
major political direction, even if the Democrats trying to.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Be freaking Like, if Trump does blow things up, then
people remember, oh yeah, they shook the cane at them.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
They didn't like what they were right about with those paddles.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
They were right, they were dated.
Speaker 6 (50:31):
I generally think that says don't make a big difference.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
I shouldn't don't.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
I shouldn't preface it with that anyway, in terms of
like electoral outcomes, they don't.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Although again I don't know why people love the State
of the Union like people watch it. It's always the
only political event in the top one hundred newscat or
broadcast in the argophy.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Really honestly, it's born.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Oh yeah, people people like us who watched public like
the debates are way more important, you know, stuff like that,
the debate fun.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
There's even just a regular old Trump presser.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Like a lot more Oh yeah, there's way more ship.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
A lot more ris actually going to happen.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
People like the show, So what ation for this being
a country rights aspiration?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
This being a real country like this is serious? Tune
in and here we are.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
I should take my scolding away. Everyone should keep.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Watching if nonetheless, just because we always covered it is
a fun It's a fun thing that.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
We enjoy doing here. It's an annual tradition.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Ryan and I will be doing a special show for
everybody tomorrow that will be dropping somewhere around midday, and
then Crystal I will be back for a normal show
on Thursday, so we will see you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
We're also going to have.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
By the way, Adam ham away very briefly. He was
Bonnie Watson Coleman's guest at the State of the Union.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
She'll join as well. She's a Democrat for New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
He's the doctor who who saved Tammy Duckworth's life and.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Was stuck in Gaza.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
So he was in the audience. I'll see what he
see what he thought about that awesome before where you
get on.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
A lot on the Middle East, looking forward to it
really yeah zero.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Just the hostage was.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
That he's tirelessly working.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, working, tireless working, tires working tirelessly. We need to
retire that one from one all right, We'll see you
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first Joint Address slash State of the Union. According to
our research, if it was a State of the Union,
which can we all agree to it.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Is, it would be the longest State of the Union.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Ever delivered by an American president, beating significantly President Clinton's
record in the year of two thousand, which was an
hour and twenty eight minutes. This one, by my rough
back of the Napkin math, is roughly around an hour
and forty three And yeah, it was long.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
It was long.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Could have used an edit.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Could have used a few more kind of reminded.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Remember, God, I'm trying to think of the first one
of the first ones we covered here where Biden was
just like literally a laundry list.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I think we were all watching.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It's very common.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's very common.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I mean, let's not constituencies, they got to check the
box on whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
But yeah, it needed a good edit.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It was long.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It was long, and so that's we're trying to call
some of the best takeaways for all of you.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I would say the biggest one was no new.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Policy announcement on Ukraine, but there were some significant domestic
policy events that are that definitely bear registration. But the
thing is is that we should probably start with the
Democratic protest by Congressman Al Green, who opened the remarks.
There was some initial booing that was happening from the
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Democratic side. Congressman Green was standing for the duration of
the first couple of minutes before he was kicked out.
Anyone want to saying anything before we before.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
We make people subject people to more clips from this
very long we just it just gets on top of
the like sure top of mind thoughts. I mean to me,
the big takeaways were the actually lack of new policy
specifics with regard to tariffs in Ukraine in particular, where
I think, you know, that's certainly where we perked up
(02:21):
and we're listening like, is you going to.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Say, are the terriffs on? Are the tariffs off?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Still don't know, which I think probably indicates that the
signaling that they might be rolled back could be the case,
because he certainly wasn't touting the Canada in Mexico twenty
five percent across the board. He was focusing on, Oh
we did this with China with steel. Oh we're looking
we're doing these reciprocal tariffs April, second, April, second down
(02:46):
the road. He mentioned Canada and Mexico, but he did
not specifically tout the terrorifts that just went into effect,
which you know, if I'm reading in between the lines,
I feel like, Okay, well, that's probably an indication that
it is Lutnik was right. They are probably rolling back
or diminished to something.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Ukraine. I kind of feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know, he talked about the letter that he got
from Zelensky that we talked about earlier that is already public.
He talked about the desire to make a deal, and
you know, moving forward, So I think probably the reporting
about them continuing to work on this rare semnial deal
is also probably let's too accurate. I mean, it seems
like based on what he's saying, but he did not
(03:24):
confirm any of those pieces.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, it is actually kind of surprising that there was
no new major initiative either on the tariffs on Ukraine,
especially because they were hyping that from news level. A
lot of the speech was basically messaging, So I was
clocking the time, so statistically most people turn off around
ten pm. Just they watched the first like thirty to
forty five minutes. Yeah, the first thirty forty five minutes.
(03:46):
So this is basically just a campaign speech. It was
like we won the election, historic landslide mandate. That's with
the Algreen protests and all of that happened. There was
a lot of culture war stuff there during that time period,
a lot of DEI trans CRT basically all the greatest
hits uh from Trump. We eventually then started to get
to the economy, doge and social security, and we're going
to play some of that for you, But any other thoughts.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
One of you guys gives your Mirror summary too before
we play, at least on the tariffs.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
On the tariffs front, at least he described why he
was going to do them, Like with with the Canada
and Mexico ones. He's just been telling us they've been
ripping us off and we subsidized Canada. And that's quite
light on those though. He went back to the old school.
We're going to if you're not a if you don't
have steel, you don't have a country. We're going to
(04:32):
make steel, right, and so we're going to do these
targeted tariffs on steel and like aluminum, like so at
least like there was some like ethos behind it, like
back to the Oh, that's that's the thing about tariffs.
You're trying to actually build up industry inside the country
rather than we've been suffering through this like fiction about
(04:54):
these these tariffs being fentanyl related.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, heyl there too, the minuscules.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I can either agree with it or disagree with it.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
That's you know.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
I think we've spent almost a decade now always potentially
anticipating I don't mean we so much, I mean the
media more broadly, some new version of Donald Trump, like
he doesn't have to run for re election now. He
felt like he was coasting on these high approval ratings
as his administration started.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
He's got Elon Musk by his side.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
And what he did was give a very like classic Trump, rambling, riffing,
very partisan. He ribbed Pocahontas in front of her face
like Elizabeth Warren. He called her Pocahontas during this media.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, what she must have done something something about the war,
like hold something up, Like I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
What was this?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
The only I saw her like scrolling on her phone
at one point. But I didn't even make her like
participating in the protest whatever. But I mean, I don't
know that she necessarily had to do it. He just
has like animistic He just you know, whatever.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
It's a thing he doesn't changed, I think change on.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yes and no.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
The style of the speech, yes, typical Trump, you know,
going through his greatest hits in terms of his grand
election victory, and you know, calling Democrats out to their
fail like you would never clap for me, no matter what,
you know, putting them on.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Flats like that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's so said, no mater, how I did what I did,
it wouldn't be enough for you people. And then you know,
at the end of course, he's got to. He goes
back to retell the story of the assassination attempt and
how he was saved by God to save the country,
which makes me very uncomfortable when people start putting themselves
in those sort of messianic terms.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
But you know, again classic Trump up.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
But you know, on the like on the economic policy front,
as I'm just listening to the actual policies, like this
is a freaking Paul Ryan speech, Like we're talking about deregulation,
we're talking about social security, we're talking about tax cuts.
I mean, it was very I was like, this is
a coke network policy agenda.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You have a with tariffs?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
He did, Yeah, that got but again that he's like,
I mean, we're not even clear on what that is.
But the piece that he frontloaded with was all the
just like standard conventional Republican stuff that he ran so
hard against and positioned himself so hard against back in
twenty fifteen. Now we all know the record of the
actual Trump administration the first time around, where their biggest
(07:29):
accomplishment was a giant tax cut for the rich.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
But to me, that combined with he.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Was you know, trying to get applause lines on oh
we're going to get rid of the budget deficit, and
then reading down the list of all the wasteful government
programs like the transgender mice, you know, all of those things,
like that's Fox. I used to do a lot of
Fox News hits back in the you know, post to.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Like twenty eleven time frame.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
That was the spot.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And yeah, it was every day.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It was like, oh my god, they spent ten dollars
per month in at this conference.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Or they're always very love it was all.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And so I'm like, oh, this is such a throwback
to the Paul Ryan talking points, just delivered through a
Trump you know Trumpian pinas.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
All that chaos and all we get is like different
lies about social security.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, he's out.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
There saying that like one hundred and sixty year olds
are getting solid security.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And it's like even Fox News actually debunks that talking.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay, let's say let's say that commentary. So do you
want to just do the social skillity, Go.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ahead and cueue up social security. Let me see what
number number five? Number five guys, if you can cueue
this up where he starts talking about social security and
he's reiterating the lies that Elon spread about the you know,
people who are supposedly three hundred years old or whatever
and still getting so scary. We know none of this
is true, but it doesn't matter. It's still in the
present speech. If we've got that, let's go ahead and
(08:54):
roll it.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
We're also identifying shocking levels of incompetence and probable fraud
in the Social Security program for our seniors, and that
areur seniors and people that we love rely on. Believe
it or not, Government databases list four point seven million
Social Security members from people aged one hundred to one
(09:17):
hundred nine years old.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I mean, make no mistake when you're setting up. And
this is why it was significant.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
That Trump brought it up.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
When you were bringing this up, you were creating a
pretext to cut the program, and again totally counter to
the way Trump has always positioned himself. And he'll use this,
these lies about alleged fraud to justify the cuts. And
we already see, you know, dogs gutting the Social Security
administration is actually a warning from Martin Malley, who was
previously Social Security Administrator, that it cannot the system cannot
(09:52):
handle that level of cuts, and that people should start
saving their money in anticipation that the program could face
disruption just from not.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Having a enough staff the hotline.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You know, people who answer the hotlines are being cut
offices across the country are being cut. So to me,
when the word social security came out of his mouth
in the context of like, oh, there's all this giant
fraud et cetera, et cetera, that is a huge indication
of direction.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That was the most important political moment of the speech
to me. I think I said that to you guys
at the time. I was like, that is very important.
Not only is it Donald Trump endorsing the elon strategy
around that, but he's taking ownership of what is very
likely to be extremely unpopular. And this gets to the
way that this will all happen. So it's very unlikely
(10:38):
to see a top line across the board cut of
Social Security right pass by the Congress and the next
tax bill, even in terms of entitlement reform or whatever.
But there may be at least elements to chip away
at the program or at the very least like reduced
successibility now currently regardless, I mean, you've got your hand
basically right there on the rail the most potent political weapon.
(11:02):
I mean, I remember being with the four of you
guys talking when Biden had that problem where he's like hey,
He's like, okay, we're all agreeing, we're not going to
cut Social Security. So the problem that they have is
even if they pursue no cuts, is that even tampering
with the program is going to have tremendous blowback from
a lot of people. But last thing on this, they
may be able to get around it because they also
(11:22):
said during the speech the no tax on Social Security,
which we all won't know, will be extremely popular with
a lot of seniors. I mean how much I'm thinking
if you're one hundred percent reliant on Social Security, like
that's what probably what almost ten fifteen to twenty five
percent of your income that's going back to tax. I've
said before, I think it's crazy, Like why does the
government give you money if just to take it back?
It actually is very inefficient.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
The Reagan Compromise brought that in, which is what to
have income tax on social It didn't used to be taxed.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
It's like, why would you give you a lump sum
of money and then take a portion of it back
and expect you to file it and then we'll take
it back forty five days later.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
If there's only one interesting thing other than everything you
guys have said that I noticed on this point is
his line about social security as he started this conversation.
He is slightly new framing from the old Republican talking point.
He says, we are also identifying shocking levels of incompetence
and probable fraud in the social security program our seniors
rely on, which is interesting because Republicans used to just
(12:20):
demonize social Security, and in this he's trying to frame
it as saying, I'm saving our seniors from the fraud
that is dragging down social security. To Ryan's point about
you're just dressing up the same old talking points about
social security in different language, that's basically the best example
of it. He's saying, we're doing all of this tea
(12:41):
party talking points or all this tea party rhetoric if
you tweak it to say we're doing this to save
the program.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Paul Ryan two was saying he was going to save
social security. Yes, by privatizy.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
He was like, We're going to raise a retirement agent.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But the idea the way it's always framed, Oh my god,
this is going that I care so much about is
going bankrupt and we have to save it.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Like that's the way it's always Frank trying to.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
End since the nineteen thirties, Right, we really loved so much.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But we're just really interested in the best interest of
this program. That's what these cuts are all about. So,
but it is a little bit of a twist.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
On that, but it's not that far from the way
that it was portrayed in the Paul Ryan era.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
But it's not.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Yeah, I think that's the thing, Like overall, it did
sound like twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, yeah, Look so at this point, anyone who's surprised
by that, Like, I don't know what it was Like
we had him for whole first time, didn't we Like
where all of this went through.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
He said he won't touch security, Medicare. He probably won't
at the top.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Line in the way that Paul Ryan and all those
other folks will this chipping away and all of that,
Like I don't, I don't. I'm not yet sure how
far they're going to go or if they're really that stupid,
Like are you really so stupid that you would actually
acts what's seventy five percent of the SSA offices or
privatize it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's like, good luck. See how it happened to George W.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Bush in a project two thousand and five, a project
led by two billionaires.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I mean the optive optics of it would be insane,
especially if it happened at the very same time that
you passed a massive tax cut and extension for the rich, which.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
They are all on record they're going to do it, Like.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
The only question is if they also include the no
tax on tips. I will say I do think that
the tips and social security thing could potentially I wouldn't
say it saved them, but make it more of a
wash than the last time. Twenty seventeen was just so
naked in terms of what the actual policy was. But
the tips thing, I mean, we all know it's gonna
be very popular and they're going to message the hell
(14:37):
out of it. And same with the no tax on
social security. I could see that being like some sort
of counter valance and all that. But I mean, look, they're.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Playing with fire. They're playing with the same fire they're
playing with under Rick Scott. Like it just never ends.
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
There's also no guarantees that those policies make it in.
I mean, it's not spell down in the Republican budget
and actually.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
The yeah, they don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The numbers as they exist, you know, and what they
have said that they're working with in terms of the
amount that they've allocated for tax cuts would not be
sufficient to include no tax on tips and no tax
on we know, the four trillion dollar tax cut, like
that part is locked in the rest of it. And
then you also have to throw in there the salt
tax situation.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, they got to go to twenty percent.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
For them as well, and that's yeah, that's expensive. So
there's also just like no guarantee that any of that
actually happens. And like I said, it was not actually
in the Republican budget that passed the House that Trump
had backed.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
The ideal is we all just stop all this fakery
on the debt and we just include all those things.
You know. It's like can actually put some of the
good stuff in there at the very least. So we
talked about social security, we should definitely talk about doze.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, so we've got number four guys, if you could
queue that up.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
So Elon got a huge shout out from Donald Trump.
Donald Trump may have slipped up a little bit here, though,
because in this acknowledgment he not only acknowledges Elon, he
actually says Elon is the head of Doze, which is
the opposite of what his government is currently arguing in court.
But nonetheless it was important because.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Amy there to get her round of apply America.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
She's in South America.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
She's the one that playing.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
She's a She's a three hundred and twenty six year
old woman in South America.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Uh so Elon got a shout out.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
This was important just for I mean, look like Maga
is now like equals Elon. And you really see this
where Trump acknowledges him, he gets the entire Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The optics of this are.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Wild who are on the floor of the House of
Representatives to look up and to clap at Elon.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
As Elon stands. He did wear a suit.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Though, so apparently the guy does O one number four guys,
let's take a lesson, and.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
To that end, I have created the brand new Department
of Government Efficiency Go perhaps you've.
Speaker 9 (16:55):
Heard of it, which is headed by Elon Musk, who's
in the gallery tonight.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So there you go not only huge Elon shout out,
but then you know, subsequently talking about there was a
good I would say, what do you guys think like
five to seven.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Minute period of just listing dose stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
That's where the transmis thing comes from. So that I
thought was pretty important just in terms of not only
not backing away from Doge openly endorsing it, making Elon
a central part of the state of the Union talking
here about the social security So on the economic front,
this is the one where they they don't yet seem
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to sense what they perceive, that they perceive any danger.
I think the only sign of it maybe is on
the egg price line that he did deliver.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, that's all I really saw, how he kind of
opened the economic piece. But yeah, I was just trying
to look back up the tweet. But Portnoy had tweeted
something about like Trump had a line that was, you know,
will no longer be ruled.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
By unelected bureaucrats?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And port Nooy right, really was like, well, that's kind
of a tough thing to make really, and Elon is
out there running the entire government as co president, so
that is ruled by unelected bureaucrats.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, why Dave's Matt is because there's a crypto recession
right now and he's got shit coins, so he still
needs to sell to that.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
He's working through.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
He's working through some things, but still interesting to see
the Portnoy response there. I mean, listen, it's this is
the most significant difference between Trump two point zero and
Trump one point zero is elon And you know, you
see it in the way that Trump has shifted his ideology.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I mean always some.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Of his populist rhetoric and approach was fakery, given the
commitment to tax cuts for the rich.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
But the austerity.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Framing, like spending all of these minutes going through these
quote unquote wasteful programs which they frame us fraud and
that always irritates me because it's really just like spending
that you don't like. Ryan grim here is the one
who has found the most fraud than anyone.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I did not get credit from the podium was outrageous.
I gave you credit. Were Trump right?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
They're the ones that found the four hundred million dollars the.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Armored Tesla thing that actually was It looks like they
like cook the books to be like, oh, we could
slip this in and no one will notice wrong, Ryan
Grim will notice. So I think Jeremy Scahill called it
the Department of Grim Efficiency.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That's a dosee I could get behind.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Had four hundred million dollars armored Tesla's who needs an
armored tesla?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Losing action?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You could have set electric vehicles and then it would
be like, you know, very lip coded, get.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Away with it, all right, We have the egg price,
guys number three, can you queue that up?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So this was an important line for Trump.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
It's kind of how it began the Economics Action, but
it was an acknowledgment of being elected with a mandate
on inflation and trying.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
To address it.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So let's go ahead and put it up there on
the screen and play it for everyone, just to give
everyone a taste.
Speaker 10 (20:12):
Joe Biden especially, let the price of eggs get out
of control. The egg price is out of control, and
we're working hard to get it back down.
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Secretary, do a good job on that. You inherited a
total mess from the previous administration.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Do a good job, all right.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
So you can also see some of the Democrats that
were leaving there with the resist t shirts that were on.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I think that was. I think that was Jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes, it was. Do we want to clount on some
of the Democrats? What do you think, Well, me, let.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Me climb on the egg thing.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well, it's just, I mean, hard to really make this
case on a day when you announced twenty five percent
across the board terrace Canada and Mexico. And he has
said that he does not really think that inflation is
the reason that people voted for him, and that has
certainly been reflective in the lack of any sort of
an approach to dealing with inflation. And so to me,
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it was really noteworthy that this was kind of the
first he did a bunch of culture war stuff and
a lot of like patting himself on the back for
an election victory and trying to own the Libs and
the Dems whatever, and then the first economic.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Piece he gets to is eggs.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So it did indicate to me like, Okay, the administration,
whoever wrote this speech and Trump himself feel like they've
got a bit of a problem here.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
And the pulse have reflected that if you ask people,
do you feel like they.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Are doing enough on prices, pretty overwhelming when people are
like no, I do not feel like they're doing enough
on prices, and that is one of the political challenges
and warning signs for them. Also, as we played in
that Harry Entin sat before we got into this, you know,
his numbers, his economic numbers in terms of the approval
of his handling of the economy are low, and that's
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always been a strong suit for him.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
So I do feel like they were.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Trying to play a little bit of cleanup on the
egg prices thing, you know, blame it on Biden, say well,
I promise we're working really hard on it, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
And that was noteworthy to me.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, it could work for now, Like I said, you know,
you have a little bit of runway, but after two three.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Months, like you know, the runways, the runway is going
to be over.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Especially if they feel all this doze stuff. This is
my greatest I mean, I still can't get away from this.
It's almost fifty days in to the Trump administration, almost
halfway of the first one hundred days. The most consequential
part and what it's just been doge elon Like there's
been almost nothing else.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I haven't even seen deportation take Matt.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
You know, like that I saw I think it was
Joe Wisenthal said that he's like the only thing that's
really surprised me other than Doge is the fact that
deportation has not taken such a center stage like they've
had Tom Homan on, They've had a few like high.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Profiles out there. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, Jack, they're trying to you know, I was watching
Fox News at home, not by choice because the whole
Ukraine thing. I was trying to watch it live, and
I got an ad from Kirsty No telling I legal
immigrants to go home.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Like are they watching Fox News?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
There's some ways that they That's as.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I was shocked by it. I was like, this is
like the most inicient views of money.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
These are a bunch of like seventy year old white
boomers who are watching this right now daytime Fox as well.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
So anyway, he did the Guantanamo things because it's a spectacle.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, but it was just a number he needs.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But that's my point on that is that even with that,
I mean, as far as I know all of that,
it hasn't been like a particularly large number.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
They haven't necessarily been prioritizing criminals as opposed to like
just whoever they happen to round up. There's never been
any like transparency around it. They haven't released the daily
figures the way that they have. Instead, they're trying to
make these flash like spectacle things like you guys are saying,
but like empirically, I mean, you can just look at
the number and you can say this is not impressive whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I mean, look, you know, give credit where due.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I guess on the border crossings, but that's not the
same thing as opposed to kind of what was promised.
So if you look at you know, on the inflation
and the immigration point where there's two things, I would
say he's probably the most responsible for getting him elected.
You have not seen the vast majority of the energy
getting focused on that he is hoping. And this speech
really did crystallize a lot of like the Trump victory
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to me is look, I mean, he if you listen
to the first forty five minutes of this, which statistically
most people are watching, what was it was culture war
all day long?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Right, he believed it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Wasn't just bad it was, but it was that it
was that, but it was like trans it was the
greatest hits, like of all the Republican culture with.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Our country important, woke, Our country will be woke.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Free speech is back on a day that you know,
when they're announcing their requires people actually read.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
He went on vaccines as well, like this was a
lot of culture we're talking points.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
He was actually talking about how I can pull this up.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, well, Bobby Kennedy is looking into Bobby Kennedy is
looking into.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
We should look at he said.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
This is the quote he said we have.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
He's not at the end, but there was much later on.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Right, But it's like the culture war thing.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
He said, since nineteen seventy five, rates of child cancer
have increased more than forty percent. Reversing this trend as
one of the top priorities of our new presidential Commission
to Make America Healthy Again, Chared Bran, new Secretary of
HHS RFK Junior. Our goals to get ToxS inst out
of our environment, poisons out of our foods, supplying keep
our children healthy and strong. As an example, not long ago,
one in ten thousand children had autism.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
Now it's one in thirty.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So the first part of that makes me so irritated, because,
first of all, obviously they just cut a bunch of
funding for research, including into you know, cancer, and in addition,
they have spent the first period in office rolling back
some of the restrictions on chemicals like pfasts.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
So yeah, it's just so I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Me, it's just so he ended that section of a
speech by saying something is wrong and we're going to
find out what it is.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So I mean, something is wrong. It's true.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Yeah, yeah, of that is.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
RK.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Junior is looking into the vaccines. I don't idea.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I mean, I if you want it that, if you
want that, you could take that from it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But I don't know. I didn't see it was necessarily.
I mean, he was obviously signaling it if he.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Like for the people who want to hear that, but
it's also like on an empirical basis when people hear
that those I'm not against.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That, right, but it's me. It's my point around it
all was.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I was like, he believes that that is the most
important reason why you want to me.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
There's no other reason why you would start forty five
minutes of your speech off this way.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's obvious.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
So he thinks that this alone is going to be
enough to coast him. And by the way, I think
he could be right.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
I mean, there's a huge you know, the whole Maga
universe online and all this, all the transgender like the
woman who's standing up, who was hit by a woman
by the.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Volleyball thing like that.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You know, that's what they live for, right, Like that's
that's the reason Ben Shapiro and Matt Walshalls are in
the audience.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
But it's it's also to get a contrast with Democrats
not applauding those lines. It's very intentional, and that's I
think it's powerful.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
With Peyton mcnat I read it a little different. You
won't be surprised to hear.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I mean, listen, it's the exact thing that Democrats do
when they want to cover for their lack of agenda
that delivers for working class people. They fix it on
identity and cultural issues. And it's the same shit. It's
just from Trump. This is you know, they like, people
aren't happy with how the economy is going. They feel
that it's getting worse and it already wasn't great. The
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you know, obviously today the stock market fell off a
cliff and you've got, as we were saying before, the
super sentiment can super spending down, and there's warnings in.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
The manufacturing sector.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You've got this warning from the Atlanta Fed like people
are not satisfied with that direction. And he really isn't
offering anything in the near term that you can point to.
I mean maybe no tax on tips, maybe, but so instead, ed,
what do you do You usher in an agenda that's
been really good for people like Elon Musk and other
oligarchs by saying, oh.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
This is about DEI this is about woke. Woke is over.
Don't you feel great?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So that's how I read the reason why it was
front loaded with culture war, the same reason that you
know that Democrats who weren't delivering for working class people
also would be in the culture war.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I'm not disagreeing with the word you're saying.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, I mean, I do think it's still obviously very
politically powerful. Unfortunately, this is the hold that Trump has.
Oh yeah, guys, please remind me on a future show.
A listener of our show who works for the DoD
who voted for Trump sent me a very long email
about why he voted for Republicans even though he works
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within the d D and his reasoning. It reminds me
of all this because it was for cultural war reasons,
specifically talking about Pepjoes whatever. If you recall I made
that comment, I was like, I don't I was like,
anyone who voted for the federal voted for Trump, and
he worked for the federal government.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I was like, I don't really know what to tell you.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I was like, you're kind of an idiot if you
didn't think that something like this was going to happen
to me. He sent me a very long justification for
why he did it. I actually think it bears discussion
with all of us. But that's a tease for the futures.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Her. Now he's still like, yeah, I did the right then, No,
he does not regret it.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
He's voted for Trump for three times.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
He voted for Trump because Democrats could not define what
a woman is. But he is upset about the doche
cuts and in the in the logic of the email,
it really hit home for me why I still think
that this is very politically, very politically strong.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Territory for Trump. Now how long he can ride on it.
I have no idea. Right, we'll be America.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
They'll give you the runway, and this will you know,
this will keep people feeling as if things are very different.
It's still you know, only a month or so into
the new administration, but how long until it gets old?
And that's when I think it starts to become from And.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
This is what I don't think Republicans are doing this
on purpose, but I do think one of the big
lessons for Democrats should be that if you're asked to
choose between Trump and Republicans, red meat, culture warfare and Democrats,
for many voters, Republicans still come out on top, even
if they don't like the way that Donald Trump talks. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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And so that's where I know we're going to talk
about al Green. We teased it a little bit earlier
and the like resist t shirt walk out the paddle
signs that looked like, as some people were joking, fogo
to chow can bring me my meat signs.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
And so again for a lot of voters that Democrats
are like, it's I get it.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Like Trump.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Trump went for an hour and forty minutes an extremely
partisan speech and said some wild stuff and called the
senator Pocahontas to her face.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
But then they look at the Democrats, They're like you
guys deserve it.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
So let's start with the Al Green thing. That what
is that number one? So this was the first Democratic protest.
I thought there were going to be a lot more.
Actually I was surprised that there won't again.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
A rock star. Yeah, they got to a very start
and then became extremely lame.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
So Al Green here being escorted out of the House chamber.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
He was shaking, literally shaking his cane.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Donald Trump, not since Charles Sumner, right right, Ryan, Not
since Charles Sumner is a cane so loudly been felt
on the floor of the United States Congress.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 12 (31:15):
Finding that members continue to engage in willful and concert
the disruption or proper decorum, the Chair now directs the
Sergeant at Arms to restore order, remove this gentleman from
the chamber.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
All right, So that was Al Green, congressman getting escorted out.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
He said he was shouting at him he have no
mandate to cut medicaid.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Let's also put a number. Apparently that's what he that's
what he claims kicks out.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Apparently people only heard you have no mandate. Let's go
to the number two. Please the screenshot. Can you guys
put that up while I talk. This is the one
that's going pretty viral from what people are saying, it's lame.
Some of the what are the like placards being piled up, signs.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Small signs, small round bingo like signs.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Being held up by Democrats include musk stels, that's a lie,
that's from Rashida to leave, she's a whiteboard, false false,
musk steels, save medicaid, musk steels some false and that going.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
They should have all said save medicaid.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Seriously, Yeah, I agree, I was like, save medicaid. That
is probably the most powerful one. You Crystal scent to
this from the Daily Show. Fun fact, Democrats are wearing
pink tonight as a symbolic protest against people who want
them to do something meaningful. So that's pretty damn Yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
So personal.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I mean, clearly like they are getting the message that
people want them to do more, but they just have
no idea what that actually looks like.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I will say I thought.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Rocanna and Tim Walls had a really good idea, which
is all these Republicans are like, oh, we're not going
to do town halls anymore, and they're like, okay, well
come your district, new town. You know, that's smart, and
I think we'll play really well and you know, put
pressure on Republicans like, ah shit, this guy's doing a
town all my district. I guess I need to show up,
or at least it's sort of shameful to them to
not show up. Bernie Sanders obviously, he's also I think,
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delivering a response along with Alyssa's luck in.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yes, she's speaking right now, she's speaking right now.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I'm monitoring the quote.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, the deep stat is responding Alyssa's sludge.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Currently says Reagan is rolling in his grave afirmatively talking
about Reagan.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Let's see what else here.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
But I also think, you know, the Bernie Sanders oligarchy
tour going to specifically swing Republican districts where you know,
the Republican House they need every single vote to be
able to do anything, and so he's recognized that as
a pressure point. I think that's also very intelligent. But yeah,
I mean these things just read is like sort of.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
The only indication that Democrats would be getting the message
would be if they said, you know what, Bernie, you'd
do the response, yes, that would at least be surprising
to people.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
So instead they picked a CIA spook from Michigan who
actually says no guardrails on what they do. We need
more efficient government. You want to cut waste, I'll help
you do it. But does but change doesn't need to
be chaotic or make us less safe.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, I mean she's one of the ones that she's
voted for a bunch of Trump pets. She voted for
the Lake and Riley act, Like you know, she's that's
who she is. And it also speaks to okay, not
just would it indicate they're getting it from a sort
of like policy perspective if they had Bernie Sanders respond.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
But people would actually watch right now.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Bernie is racking up there, it would go viral millions of.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Views on everything he does.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean, he is an absolute TikTok sensation, and these
town halls were getting insane views like everything he says
and does is going viral.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
So why wouldn't you be like, maybe that guy.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Should be the one or row you know, or row
or listen the whole thing about giving the oversight ranking
Committee member to Jerry Connolly instead of AGOC, Like what
are you thinking? One of these people knows how to
communicate and understands the attention economy and is on it
and understands the online like attention ecosystem.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
But the other one earned it, Crystal, and the other
one he's been waiting this.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
You know, it's in line follow.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
It's just total total insanity.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
If the Dems get a tea party, how big was
a tea party blowout in twenty ten?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
It was like they've picked up like sixty.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Jenuine.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I want to say something.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
If that happened to the Dems, would that happen like
the Jerry Connolly stuff still happened, and would Hakeem like
get to keep his seat?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Ca Yeah, b.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Who the Democrats if they get a Republican style tea
party blowout when in the House of Representatives and Democrats,
Democrats take control, definitely.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I mean the Keems.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
So you think he'll stay even though they don't like him.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It depends on.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
It's kind of depends on the kind of characters who win,
and it depends on if that dem tea party also
consists of not just winning in Republican seats but primary
people that they're you.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Know, disgusting.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
And I've mentioned this before, but I went back and
looked at the Tea Party era polling for Republican base
voters how they felt about Republican congressional leaders, and it
is very similar to the way that Democratic voters feel
right now about democratic leadership. Democratic leaders are underwater by
like nine points in the last pole that we saw.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
This is so different from twenty sixty.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
You guys know poloc shift like they sell, Oh, these
people are doing the thing we want.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Them to do. These are our heroes, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It is not like that anymore. And so you know,
if you had some of these people who have been
the most disappointing getting primaried, and you have a more
sort of like forceful radical group that comes in that
doesn't owe their seats to the Party of Styles, then
you could end up with some different dynamics. And I
(37:03):
think the other thing that opens up that possibility is
that liberals are also completely disenchanted with their media outlets,
and so that creates a really different dynamic as well.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
So there's a lot of IFFs here about how this
will all.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Go down, but I will say I think the indications
are very much in the direction of you're probably going
to have a blowout your blue waveyear for Democrats. Just
you know, if you look at history and backlash to
parties that have complete power, if you look at we're
so early and there's already this level of sentiment and
Republicans who are hiding and worried, and Elon is just
(37:37):
doing his thing and they're going after Social Security and
the economy is on the brink. I think you could
be setting up quite a catastrophe for.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
The work could be.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I mean, it could phase out because it's he party
peaked in what oh nine, right around nine months in.
That's when the t That's when the Obamacare stuff was
really happened, and then it is special he was right
there at the tail of nine into ten and then
going into the midtermine.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
Well, I guess.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
I mean I would say maybe, honestly, I would put
it through the Senate the what did Obama call it
the route or whatever he said in twenty four lacking, Yeah,
shellacking in twenty fourteen. I would I would extend it
through that.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, no, no, no, absolutely. I was just thinking in terms
of timing. So if the Democratic whatever.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
Coffee oh, I say, ok.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
The Coffee Party peaks like thirty days in because Trump
administration it could still you know, it could still like
it could still actually phase out, or you know, who knows.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
So much depends on what Trump's policies due to the economy.
I think, yeah, I think you're right, because you know,
he could back off. He could say no, it's just
kidding on these tariffs. Federal workers are allowed back in
with a federal judge, and then he could say we're
going to fire them all in September, and then he
doesn't actually fire them in September because things are struggling
(38:53):
then and you get a little downturn and then it
comes back up. Or you could get this full on
Trump thing where he's like, no, we're really true, we're
doing some major transition. Like in his speech tonight, he's
alluding to real difficulties ahead.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, he said to the farmers, he said, there'll be
they'll be a little bit of adjustment, but we're okay
with that, which you know Elon also promised like hardship,
temporary hardship.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
He's trying to do.
Speaker 5 (39:18):
He's trying to do a thing that politicians have done
many times over the generations, bring people together in times
of hardships that we collectively can then get to a
better place. Except he also wants to do it while dismissing, attacking,
and calling the other half the country a bunch of
traders and losers. So FDR had you know, sixty plus
(39:39):
seats in the Senate and sixty you know, and one
massive mandate, so he could say, all right.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
We're all doing this, we're all doing.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
This together, we're rowing together, and it's just the bankers
that are against us. Trump's like, we're all in this together,
except like half the country, the universities, the doctors.
Speaker 13 (39:57):
Every federal every federal someone's got to that university, all
the teachers, the capitol police, like, but everyone else, Yeah,
we're in it.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
We're in it.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
So I don't know how you do both of those things,
because he wants to do he wants to ask for
shared sacrifice without sharing any common value.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We're sharing the sacrifice among people like Elon Musk who
are getting you know, just after Lusk wants.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
To be joyful about what he's doing to people, rather
than like read people in and say this is why
we're doing I.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Think your point though about if they back off after
a catastrophic three months or not even catastrophic bad three
months I.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Mean that's long enough time.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
You know, that's almost what several months to go to
the midterms, and so you could at least see some
sort of change. The problem is is that right now
we have no indication that that's.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Going to happen.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Elon's getting a shout out, the State of the Union,
those is getting you know, lists getting read off. You've
got the Social Security fraud thing, and we're going a
whole hog on the tariff. So it's like, okay, well
that that's all we can really go off right now. Yeah,
tax cut, that's the thing. The tax is a separate category.
That's gonna happen. That's not changing at all. Oh, I
see the other stuff might change at top.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Of that, likely medicaid cuts, you.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Know, and in the same way that social here actually
do flub some Social Security checks, like all people.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Will lose it. I agree with you. Yeah, and they
should lose it. That's that's that's great.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
They're flirting with that. I mean, you're flirting with that.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
They're flirting with another plane crash that really can be laid.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
I left that out.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
You're exactly right, which is that if there's a major
natural disaster, if there's a major hurricane after they've been
cutting all these Noah things, and where they can't properly
call a category four or a category five, and some.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
People, even if it's not their fault, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Where they've gutted FEMA and they can't properly respond to
which you know, responding to a natural disaster even with
the best of government funding levels is difficult.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
You've got a potential shutdown coming up.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I mean, there's just there's just disaster around every corner
and an economy that's already starting to turn south. So
I think, you know, it would take a lot at
this point to recover from the trajectory that they've already
set things on, and you know, to see Elon there.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
It's just this is the part that I.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Could not have predicted, is how much of the presidency
he would see to Elon like I just could not
have seen that, nobody would have.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
And the thing is is it goes against everything that
we know about Donald exactly. Why would he ever see
I still don't understand it. Why would you ever seed
so much? Could not control? What does Trump care about?
Attention media? Every probably American at this point who's even
tangentially aware of the Trump News could.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Tell you about Elon could be a good thing, could
be a bad thing. Why would you want that? Why
would you want your presidency defined?
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Find this guy with fifteen kids and all this other
baggage and weird shit that he does all the time.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
He's really tied his brand literally one of the most
eccentric and polarizing people in the world, right and he
could be having he could actually be having roughs vote
like out there doing doge, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And it would it would not even be a headline.
It would it would be first of all, we were
done properly. Second of all, it would be done or
verse like legally or you know, in terms of it
would be it would be much more within the line
of like traditional Washington process and they could fight it
out and in the institutions and the norms like and
I mean it seems to be. That seems why Vivek
(43:25):
ultimately left Dose was really over a beef on something
like this his white people tweet acide. But yeah, just
putting it together, I mean, that's just the most shocking
part about all of this is like he's playing the
fire and I think that's the theme that I've I've
really come away from this state of the Union. I
think there was a ton of raid meat. If your maga,
you'll love it. And of course you you're gonna love
You're gonna love anything. The guy says, there's lots of
(43:47):
culture war stuff and all that. But you know, for
for us, like when we look at the dangers of
natural disaster, social security, economic problems, and then just you know,
chaotic nature, people feeling as if they are not in control,
those are all very very dangerous places.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I also, I also think that the amount of gutting
of like white color police that they've done is a risk,
is like gutting the CFPP and gutting the SEC enforcement.
I mean, you've just got such like out right crop.
You guys see the story about people paying a million
or five million dollars to.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Have five five million, five million dollars to have a
one on one dinner.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
With which Trump, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Just he doesn't even need the money.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
It's it's for campaign, the coin, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
It's to a campaign fund. And why do you need
five million dollars for your campaign?
Speaker 2 (44:38):
I mean, you've got that, You've got the crypto dude
who gave him, you know, seventy five million dollars into
his mean coin, and then oh SEC dropped enforcement. And
so when you put all of these together, it's like
this is just like Elon and his billionaire buddies, like
they're just robbing and plundering the government.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
I mean, the picture adds up. It's it does.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Doesn't take a genius political messenger, even this lame ass
Democratic Party can put those pieces together to say like
this administration is about the rich. And but you know,
to go back to the Trump and Elon point, like
even just to see the spotlight of his State of
the Union address for standing ovation to Elon, I don't
(45:22):
think any of us could have anticipated that. And it
really does ask some questions about like, what the hell
is going on here? Does he care? Is there some
sort of a deal? What has made it so that
he is just really ceeded his previous ideological positioning to
Elon and the most prominent, most public parts of his
entire government administration to Elon. And you're to your point
(45:45):
about immigration, like I'm glad he's not making good on
this particular promises nice the same as job but are
actually lower than Joe Biden and that was the part
that you know, in terms of one of the promises
to work in class people again, and I don't this
isn't accurate in my view, and I don't think that
a mass deportation would help. I think that would further
hurt the economy. But that was like the prep pledge
(46:07):
to working class people was that this is.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
The thing that's really going to help you.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
And because it's not a priority of Elon, it's the
part that's actually not really getting done again. I'm glad
about that, but it is noteworthy to me that the
part that has been so central to Trump but is
not really particularly priority to Elon outside of him currying
favor with MAGA, that part has kind of fallen, by.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
The way, right on top of the Golden visa thing,
which is like a Silicon Valley wet dream where they
get to just buy their citizenship in.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
H one B, which he sided with Elon or.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah, and he even mentioned that in this he's actually
trying to fuse Golden Visa with He's trying to.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Fuse Golden visa with the H one B program. If
you heard there, it's like at any of these.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Universities, Facebook can pay five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
So yeah, Facebook gonna pay five million dollars for a coder. Okay,
well the whole point the h one.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, that's like that made you think me.
All right, we've been talking for long enough. You guys
got any last things he wants to say?
Speaker 6 (47:01):
Actually, all I was going to say is and Democrats
were sitting there with their stupid paddle signs, and so,
I mean, I don't disagree with everything that we've all said.
I just think the big takeaway, to the extent that
Americans pay attention to this, I think Donald Trump successfully
baited Democrats into a complete public relations disaster for themselves.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yea, I wouldn't say it's a disaster. I don't know.
I think I disagree on that.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
Cool Wallas is already saying that little kid DJ.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
It was like the highlight human Republicans, Democrats all find
a good human story in every state of the Union.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
This was the one from that. He's already saying.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Nicole Wallace, she's already out on the MSNBC airway of saying,
I hope he has a long life as a law
enforcement officer, but I hope he never has to defend
the United States Capitol against Donald Trump supporters, and if
he does, I hope he has one of the sex
who loses his life to suicide.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
I just you know, it's like, I don't disagree that
it's cringed, but I wouldn't call it a relations.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
They're not I mean, their memes are, They're not the
center of the evening.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, I think. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (48:11):
I think it was so bad that those I think
those I think those optics were so bad with them
with the paddle signs, they're just like perfect meme fodder.
Speaker 7 (48:19):
I think that was so so bad. That idea was
so bad.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
I don't know, Al Green waving the.
Speaker 6 (48:24):
Cane and the paddle signs. I think it was so
bad that it will a lot of people will see that.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I think you could be right. I see a lot
of right wing like, oh, they didn't even clap for this.
Is that's people really like? And also it was one
hundred minute speech. It is long. Yeah, I don't think anything.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Here's one other thing that I that I would point to,
Emily is I was looking at the some of the
pulling around this and the approval rating of like Democrats
and the Democratic Party and Congressional Democrats is in the tank. Yes,
And yet when you ask people who do you prefer
on a generic congresstional ballot Democrats, I'm the latest one
(49:05):
was by five, which is significant. Yeah, which is going
to I mean, listen, you take them with a gardenissal whatever.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
But you shouldn't look.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
At the fact that their approval, Like when people are
like do you like these people are like no, but
you like them better than these other people? They are
like yeah, kind you know, because and that's that is
a natural ebb and flow to politics. But also Republicans
are truly enacting an agenda, and Trump in particular that
is polls that is really unpopular. I mean, the Greenland
stuff is unpopular, Gaza is unpopular. The even the Gulf
(49:36):
of America thing, which I thought people might eat up,
even that's unpopular, right, a lot of these pieces, and
Doge is unpopular, and Elon's unpopular, and cutting social security
and cutting medicaid and getting taxes were like, all of
these things are really really unpopular. And so when you
put that together and it's like, hey, do you want.
Speaker 4 (49:52):
Maybe a check on that? Even if these people are
kind of lame.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
They're like, yeah, probably not to mention, Democrats have the
benefit now of the co that previously used to benefit
Republicans and mintterms, which is their people freaking show up.
Speaker 7 (50:04):
Yeah, that's true the midterm election.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
That matters a lot.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
So that's why I listen luck and at between now
and blah blah blah, caveats, et cetera. But I would
I think we're probably headed in the direction of a
major political direction, even if the Democrats trying to.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Be freaking Like, if Trump does blow things up, then
people remember, oh yeah, they shook the cane at them.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
They didn't like what they were right about with those paddles.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
They were right, they were dated.
Speaker 6 (50:31):
I generally think that says don't make a big difference.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
I shouldn't don't.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
I shouldn't preface it with that anyway, in terms of
like electoral outcomes, they don't.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Although again I don't know why people love the State
of the Union like people watch it. It's always the
only political event in the top one hundred newscat or
broadcast in the argophy.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Really honestly, it's born.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Oh yeah, people people like us who watched public like
the debates are way more important, you know, stuff like that,
the debate fun.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
There's even just a regular old Trump presser.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Like a lot more Oh yeah, there's way more ship.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
A lot more ris actually going to happen.
Speaker 5 (51:06):
People like the show, So what ation for this being
a country rights aspiration?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
This being a real country like this is serious? Tune
in and here we are.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
I should take my scolding away. Everyone should keep.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Watching if nonetheless, just because we always covered it is
a fun It's a fun thing that.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
We enjoy doing here. It's an annual tradition.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Ryan and I will be doing a special show for
everybody tomorrow that will be dropping somewhere around midday, and
then Crystal I will be back for a normal show
on Thursday, so we will see you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
We're also going to have.
Speaker 5 (51:39):
By the way, Adam ham away very briefly. He was
Bonnie Watson Coleman's guest at the State of the Union.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
She'll join as well. She's a Democrat for New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
He's the doctor who who saved Tammy Duckworth's life and.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
Was stuck in Gaza.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
So he was in the audience. I'll see what he
see what he thought about that awesome before where you
get on.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
A lot on the Middle East, looking forward to it
really yeah zero.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Just the hostage was.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
That he's tirelessly working.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, working, tireless working, tires working tirelessly. We need to
retire that one from one all right, We'll see you
guys later
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