April 18, 2025 • 61 mins
Ryan and Emily discuss Americans detained by Trump admin amid migrant crackdown, Van Hollen meets with Abrego Garcia in El Salvador, Trump attacks Jerome Powell on rate cuts, Trump doubles down on tariffs, Cuomo flips out on AOC and Bernie, Dems lose it on DNC Vice Chair David Hogg.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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with that, let's kick it over to Ryan and Emily.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good morning, Thank you so much for joining us on
another exciting Friday show.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Ryan, how you doing, I'm doing well? How about yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good? Have a good Friday to everyone. We're missing Crystal
and Sager today. They'll be with us in spirit, for sure.
They helped come up with a lot of the things
we're going to talk about today, so at least they
will be with us through the elements that they have chosen.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yes, exactly, We're just we're at we're at their mercy
here today.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yes, now, Ryan, I know that you have an update
on one of our favorite guests, Drop site writer Abu Baker.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, if the people might have noticed this on social media.
They have, and they should go go check out Abu
Baker's feed, you know, after a long and agonizing decision
and also then process, you know, he has left Gaza. Uh,
he'll he'll have more to say about, you know, where
he's going, what he's what he's doing next. I could
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say that Jeremy is with him now. Uh. This the
story of of you know, get of getting out is
one that is you know, harrowing, and that I think he'll,
you know, he'll he'll want to tell it himself, So
I don't want to take anything away from that. Uh.
People should also remember this is his first time ever
(01:58):
leaving Gaza, so, you know, setting aside the unbearable, unthinkable
experience that he's had over the past eighteen months, to
leave Gaza for the first time in your life, in
your twenties and to see the world with those eyes
for the first time must be just an unimaginable perspective
(02:20):
and it will be I think a fascinating one because
he'll he'll be seeing the world, you know, through through
that perspective, and which would I think will help us,
you know, see that world in kind of a new way.
If it was an agonizing decision that no human beings
should be forced to make to either, you know, stay
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with your family, stay with your people, stay committed to
what you're doing and quite plausibly die of malnutrition, or
leave your family, leave your people, and and pursue the
fight from elsewhere. Like it's it's a choice that I
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can't even imagine what it must be like to have
had to wrestle with that. I'm thankful that he's that
he's safe right now.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, we're excited, I think to be able to hear
more from him about how harrowing exactly that journey was.
Brian looks like my camera just DROs again. There it is, okay,
So we have a lot to get through because the
case of Kilmar Abreo Garcia continued to be there were
(03:36):
developments throughout the day yesterday in the case of Kilmar
Aberdo Garcia, but also ran. There's a drop site, a
drop site scoop that we're actually going to start with
about deportations and people having trouble with their ability to
remain in the United States. We'll get in all of that.
We're going to talk about some market updates. Elizabeth Warren
actually did battle on CNBC yesterday, So we have some
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cool clips from that and more from Bernie and Aosi's
war on the Democratic Party or the Democratic Parties war
on Bernie and aoc H. And we'll be joined by
the author of the squad for that block. That's of course,
Ryan Grim. All right, Yeah, I can put this drop
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side element up on the screen. This is a scoop
that you guys got yesterday.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I would I would call this a I would call
this a Huffington Post level scoop in the sense that
it wasn't ours. A terrific reporter Jackieano's for The Florida
Phoenix has been has been tracking this story. But what
we used to do it so effectively at the Huffington Post,
in which we still do at which we still do
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with our social media feed, is we'll we'll try to
elevate things that that the rest of the national media
is missing and the Beadia had missed this. The story
is why and it had I guess it has a
good ending at this point. He was one Carlos Lopez Gomez,
who was at the center of it, was eventually freed
late late yesterday, But effectively, what happened. Florida passed a
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law that says that if you bring an unauthorized alien
into the state of Florida, you know, that is a
state crime, on top of it being a federal crime
in a matter for ice. And so this guy, Lopez
Gomez was driving from Georgia, or he was in a
passenger seat coming from Georgia to Florida. They got pulled
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over and he didn't speak English, and so they arrest
him and hold him. It turns out he was born
in Georgia. When he was one, he moved to southern
Mexico and basically grew up there, and he grew up
speaking a Mayan language. You should tell I think it's
called People can correct me on that. It's a very
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common language in Guatemala and southern Mexico. And obviously it
has been spoken on this continent for I guess probably
thousands of years at this point, which is, let's underscore
the irony here of you know you're here speak English.
It's like, well, England is a is an island that's
many thousands of miles away from here. This is a
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language that's been spoken here for thousands of years. Setting
that aside, the cops are like confused by this situation.
At best, they arrest him. He gets his he gets
his day in court, and his mother shows up with
his birth certificate and his Social Security card, which, Okay, Florida,
Florida cops made a mistake. Let let the guy go.
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The Florida prosecutor insists on holding him and says that
there is also a an ICE order that he be
held because now you know, Florida is cooperating with ICE
on all of these matters. And the judge in the case,
you know, she holds up the birth certificate, she's holds
it in the lights. I see the watermark. This is
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an authentic birth certificate. There's an authentic Sold Security card.
This is an American citizen. But I'm a state judge.
The prosecutor and ier insisting that this man continued to
be held and so I have no authority to release him.
It was only then after there was a huge outcry
and this incident kind of took on viral velocity that
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that they that they announced that they were going to
be releasing him. Now, what if they had decided in
that time to ship him to El Salvador, m Like,
you know, and then they could say, well, we made
a mistake. It turns out that he is a citizen.
This was an authentic birth certificate. That's our bad. We
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made a mistake. We acknowledged that we made a mistake.
But who are we to tell Boo Kelly you know,
what to do with people that are in his custody.
There is no gap in the legal life that applies
to a Brigo Garcia that they're applying to a Brigo
Garcia that would have that wouldn't apply to this, uh,
this American citizen here. So hopefully this is the end
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of the the end of it for Lopez Gomez. But
you know, it's only April, and they're already, you know,
detain you know, they already had detained an American citizen,
and it'd be one thing was a mistake, and okay,
sorry about this once they saw his birth certificate and
sold security card from his mother, and and they still
insist it's one thing is that judge is powerless. The
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prosecutor was not powerless. Ice was not powerless. They insisted
on pushing through the evidence in front of their face
that he was an American citizen, and insisted on continuing
to detain him. The I guess the only upside is
that public pressure still means something like that. That's that's
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a hopeful sign. But I don't know what what did
you see this circulating on the right or did this
happen too quickly to No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
See its circulating all. No, I didn't see its circulating
on the right at all. But before we get into actually,
I think this is a good segue into the clip
of Tim Burchett that we wanted to play, because before
we get into Abrigo Garcia and the dangers when you
start at treating American citizens, uh, in this way, I
want to roll this interview from Tim Burchett is a
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Republican congressman. Probably have seen him on CNN and he
does that all the time, But this time he's on
News Nation, uh, talking about whether or not American citizens,
as the President has floated, should go to places like
Seacott in Al Salvador. So let me pull this up
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right now.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And some are wondering, though, if it's a slippery slip,
what's your reaction to President Trump suggesting that homegrown criminals
could be sent to El Salvador next American citizens?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
They're criminals. They broke our laws. They need to suffer
our punishment. But I don't want Donald Trump teaching my
daughter's Sunday school class. But Dad got my like him
in the White House because he understands the rule of law.
I feel like in America is sick of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay, So, Ryan, I Burchett basically said they're criminals, they
should follow our laws. And I mean, did he listen
to the question, Like I don't. That's what I was
just going to say.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But either way, it's you know, if you think questions
that should Americans be sent to a dungeon in a
foreign country, you would listen to the question.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, yeah, but he I, Yeah, exactly. He did the
sort of thing that Republican congressmen often do when asked
about Donald Trump, which is just sort of deflect and
move on to your sort of general talking point. I
don't want him teaching my daughter's Sunday school class, but
you know, he's right for the American people, And I
just it's so the reason I wanted to talk about
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this clip in that context. To your point, Ryan, an
American citizen gets sent to El Salvador and lawyers can't
get in touch, and it's up to the Calae to
bring people unless we want to do like a military
invasion of El Salvador. I mean, it's just the things
that they're playing with here are so they're just so disturbing.
(11:17):
And one of the other reasons I want to talk
about this is the the some people on the rights
bul fetish is so weird, and I think.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
That Palestinian.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
This is Trump's favorite insult. Yeah, but it's not. I mean,
it's not inexplicable, and it's not everyone, but it is
so weird. Like, we can take care we have our
own law enforcement. Do we not believe that we're, you know,
on the right. Do we not believe that we're the
greatest country in the world. Do we need to be
outsourcing our law enforcement to El Salvador? Give me a break.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah. To me, it reflects a real contempt, within a
signal constrain of the right for the American values, in
American capacity to handle our own problems. I think I
think you're right, like and you even see it reflected
slightly in jd Vance's fighting with z and everybody else
on Twitter over the last few days, where he keeps
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throwing his hands up and saying what do you want
us to do? You know, Biden let in millions of
people illegally, what what do you want us to do?
It's like, well, if you don't like the laws that
are on the books, then take the campaign pledges that
you made while you ran for office, take them to
Congress and write new laws like you already the Democrats
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already show like and then you hear push, oh the
Democrats won't vote for it. Well, then you get rid
of the filibuster. If you want, you have, you have
the votes. Also, Democrats have shown they're they're willing to
be utterly spineless and give you whatever you want. On
the question of immigration, you know the Lake and Riley
Act I don't allows h immigration authority is to go
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back and deport anybody who has been charged with a crime. Charged, accused,
that's it, just charged there there. You don't even have
need to have due process. That's just process. All you
have to do is write up a charge and Democrats
rubber stamp that for you. So you're telling me what
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the this weak little opposition party that Republicans can't find
a way to use America's system of government to create
the kind of process that they believe is a just
way to respond to what they see as the injustice
of Bind's immigration policy. Like if you don't, if you
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don't even think that you have the capacity to do
that as a governing majority, and you have to outsource
it to this tinpot dictator in El Salvador, don't you
have some sense of shame? Like don't you have any
self respet act? Like I find it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
A little bit emasculating, to be honest, these Republican congressman
to go to the prison and pose with like bou
Kelly's prisoners.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's just awful, it isn't it's it's really embarrassing. Yeah,
don't you do you have no dignity that this is
like this is your king? Yeah, it's really looks he
looks good in sunglasses, Like, but is that your bar He.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Looks like he's like a theater kid when he's putting
his sunglasses on.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I was trying to be generous to him, but you're.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But in all seriousness, let's get into some of this
book Cala abrego Garcia stuff. Because also it's just like
the Trump administration is pejoratively referring to Zelenski as a dictator.
I actually I think there's some meat on those bones.
You can make that argument pretty well. But Kelly walks
around calling himself a dictator, right, it's a cool dictator.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Don't they call itself a cool dictator?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, it's coolest dictator. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Nobody, by the way, who's cool has ever called themselves cool.
Just let's let's be clear about that before we go
to abrio Garcia. Let's just put it real quickly. This uh,
this like lunatic thing that's going on in uh, not
just Pennsylvania, but you've got all these American citizens who
are reporting and and you've got their immigration attorneys vouching
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for the fact that these are all authentic. Get they're
just like ICE is now spamming people telling them to
get out of the country, including a bunch of American citizens.
This one here, Lisa Anderson, born in Pennsylvania, you know,
said that she's never had any interaction with immigration ever,
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and she got an email telling her like this doctor
like telling her get out of the country. It would
be it would be ironic if ICE is profiling doctors,
like assuming that if you're a doctor, you weren't born
here in this country, like what what would that say
about ICE's confidence American born people here like, oh, oh
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you're a doctor, you're probably an immigrant. I think if
that's the situation where ICE has found itself, I think
we have a a lot bigger problems than the number
of people that Biden led into the country.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
So Chris van Holland, Maryland Democrat senator obviously had a
hell of a day yesterday. Let's get into some of that.
So first he had been denied access into Seacott. So
that's the maximum security massive prison that according to a
Wall Street Journal report, I think that just came out yesterday,
Bukellay is planning to expand basically double in size. The
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sourcing was basically Christy Nome to the Wall Street Journal
story saying that bu Kelly is planning and really because
already one in fifty seven Salvadorian citizens is locked up.
It sounds like, and this is the dots that the
Wall Street Journal connected, that's going to be deportations, deportees
from the United States. That's sort of the plan.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So growth industry.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, so if we are working with El Salvador to
do that, so many more questions to be asked. We'll
see how that develops. But Chris van Holland tried to
get in yesterday because that's where Abrallo Garcia is being held,
and that did not go well for him. So then
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we got we received actually this picture. Let me share
this one Kilmar Abrago Garcia. This is a tweet from
Boucel miraculously risen from the quote death camps end quote
torture now sipping Margarita's with Senator Van Holland in the
tropical paradise of Al Salvador. Ryan reaction to this.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I mean, on the one hand, I think this is
like Chris van and we live in a cynical age.
But I think Chris van Holland deserves, you know, some
serious credit, whether you agree with them or disagree with them.
Like he he saw what he believed to be an
injustice that was being carried out against his constituent. And
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if you don't think that a resident counts as a constituent,
you can count his wife, who is this constituent. And
he went down to El Salvador to try to write
that injustice. Van Holland has an interesting backstory, like the
kind of what you would call deep state connected. Both
his mother and father worked in either the State Department
or the CIA. Van Holland himself was actually born in
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Pakistan while while his uh while his while his parents
were like stationed over there. He was a Senate Foreign
Relations staffer before becoming a senator, and he and Peter
Galbraith kind of famously snuck into northern Iraq after Saddam
Hussein's nineteen ninety one kind of attack on the Curve.
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If people know the history of this, it was this
kind of almost genocidal attack on an uprising in northern
Iraq where he used where he used weapons of mass
destruction against them, and Van Hollen snuck into northern Iraq
through Syria, through Turkey, I mean, and secreted it out
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an enormous trunch of evidence to like validate the claims
that were being made that Saddam Hussein had done this
and had used these chemical weapons against the Kurds who
people kept calling his own people. He gassed his own people.
Courage did not like it if you would call call
him Saddam Hussein's people. So this is a guy who
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has worked within the system, and he's part of the system,
but he's always been willing to take risks as well.
And so I think the fact that the fact that
he pressured Bukelli not just to meet him, but to
get him out of the prison certainly undermines Bukelli's Trump's
claim that you can't do that. What bo County and
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Trump were leaning on was too bad. This is a
this is a prison for terrorists, and you know, you
go in and you come out in a box like
that's it, there's no way out, and you know you
still have JD Vance online saying, look, the guy deserves
to be deported, continuing to allie the issue, which is
should he be held for life in a in a
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prison notorious for its like unspeakable conditions, which is a
different question than should somebody be deported from one country
to another? What did you? What did you make of?
It feels like the right is almost kind of enjoying this,
like that they think they're winning this.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Well.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I mean, so, Chris van Holland, I think there's I
think what he did was legitimately personally brave, like physically brave,
but I think he is not walking the fine line
between treating a Brigo Garcia as a victim and a martyr.
And I think a Brego Garcia is a victim of
a bad poula see by the Trump administration. I think
the right is significantly downplaying how grave of a quote
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unquote mistake it was to just say, whoops, sorry, he had.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
This withholding literally like whoopsie, oh he said.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That about the Venezuelan plane that was about he may
have been a break up. Garcia actually may have been
on the plane.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Probably on that plane yet because it was part of
that deportation.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, yeah, he may have been on that plane. And yeah.
The so anyway, all that is to say that is
I mean, it is not just a minor error. That
is a significant error. He had the withholding order. He
was you know, in a legal process with our country
and was just sent somewhere. Court said that he could
not be sent to The Trump administration did nothing to
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rectify it and basically laughed the entire way. That was
a huge mistake. I think Van Hollens is creeping into
significantly creating creeping into martyr territory. I think politically, I'll
get to the substance in a second. I think politically
it looked pretty I think the White House got them
when they brought the mother of the woman who was
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the girl who was killed in Maryland to the White
House press briefing. I think that was really a brutal
look for Chris ben Holland. Yeah, I think you disagree.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, right. And so the hit was that there was
a murder victim in Maryland and Van Holland had not,
like called the mother. I had bad news about Maryland,
that a lot of people get murdered in Maryland, and yeah,
good if every senator called every every parent of every
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murder victim. The strong implication from the White House there
was that kill mar Albrigo Garcia had killed.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This No, no, no, no, I think.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
What's it like, what exactly is the the.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Mom point the mom was saying, you are exerting all
of this effort to bring home this man who was
in the country, who crossed through the country illegally and
was deportable, not deportable to El Salvador, but was deportable,
and you didn't devote enough attention to the problem that
led to my daughter's death. That was the contention. I
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think that is. I think that hits home with a
lot of people. That's just the politics of it, the
substance of it. Yeah, I think Van Holland is treating
him more as a martyr than a victim, and I
think he is a victim. But because your victim doesn't
mean you have to be sort of treated as someone
who's like a martyr in and of itself. Now, that said,
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the Trump administration's position on this is absolutely insane and
was also not good for the Trump administration. So it's
not like the everyone's a It's not like there are
any I don't think there are any real winners here
at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
And I think it is it is. It is always
difficult in politics to stand up for a principle if
if your case is not you know, absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, we have Jesse Waters talking about this. Did you
see this clip, Brian.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
No, let's I did see this. You want to roll
this and then we can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, because you were just getting into this argument that
he starts making. Here, here we go, Jesse. You have
to have a victim that is pure.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
You can't have a Floyd, you can't have a Smolette,
you can't have a Garcia.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Your example, a victimhood.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Has to be a sympathetic victim, not someone who beats
his wife.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And traffics humans. And so his wife did get successfully
get a temporary abrego. Garcia's wife did successfully get a
temporary restraining order with really awful allegations of violence towards her.
But right to the point that you were making, when
our courts are violated, it's unsympathetic victims that you sort
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of bring out the principles among lawmakers, elected officials and
the political class.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Right right and for for Jess by the way, on
the on the on the domestic violence. So his wife
has since come out and said that she had previously
been in a in a in a violent relationship and
that she got into a fight with Kilmar that did
not turn violent at all, and in order to and
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because of the trauma that she'd been through before, she
kind of made up some of that stuff so that
she could get have a restraining order like ready to
go in case she needed it. Like that's what she's
that's what she says. Now. Uh. The irony of Jesse
Waters now being a believe all women like me too supporter,
like he has finally found he has finally found allegations
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against a man that he is like immediately willing to
accept shut just Wow, how what what a coincidence that
he's become this like me too, champion. But yeah, you're right,
like when you're standing up for a principal, you have
to stand up for it, like no, no, no matter what,
and even even if even if the person isn't perfect.
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But on the other hand, it doesn't you know, doesn't
does seem like he's like that bad a guy according
to his wife, like she kind of she she shouldn't
have she should not have done that, like you should
not make up allegations. Now maybe now she's saying that now.
Either way, none of it means that the Trump administration
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should be allowed to ignore a court order and send
somebody illegally to a terror dungeon, a torture dungeon. And
that's what that's what somehow keeps getting missed in this conversation,
like hell, okay, look, jd Vance, nobody would there would
be some people complaining. But if you just depour him
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to El Salvador and you violated the court order about
yeah that he can't go to L Salvador, but he
were living with his parents in l Salvador, and you
know he was at some risk because of the gang.
But then on the other hand, you know, bu Kelly
has probably crushed a lot of the gang that was
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intimidating him in the past. If that was the situation,
it wouldn't be an international story. It would be it
would be the Trump administration ignoring a court order, which
would be bad and which should be pushed back on,
and the courts should take that up as well. But
it would not be captivating the imaginations of the world
if he weren't in a dungeon, the likes of which
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are just like impossible to contemplate sleeping you know, fluorescent
lights twenty four hours a day on a metal you
sleep on a metal sheet with no mattress, you just
fed beans and rice to eat by hand. Uh, presumably
there's just you know, violence at all hours, because you know,
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it's a decent number of violent people in there already
and now they're all absolutely losing their minds in this situation,
just absolutely horrifying, and in a place that nobody's expected
to leave alive. If that's where he was sent and
that keeps getting lost.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, and you know, again, if the Trump administration had
deported him with like actual in compliance with that withholding order,
or they had gotten the holding order removed, and Bukell
accepted his own citizen and did what he wanted to
do to his own citizen. It's totally different than us
making a mistake and then allowing him to fester in
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the prison because they're like, oh, he can't get right.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
But at the same time, like the Bush administration used
to rendition, you know, before it started torturing people on
its own, it would take people and send them to Egypt,
and oftentimes there's evidence that CIA officials would go along
with them and would be part of these or observing
these interrogations. So they would take people and they'd send
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them to torture chambers in Egypt or Syria actually where
they would be then tortured on behalf of the United States.
Those are called extraordinary renditions. Was the term that Chaining
came up with for them. It was it was decided that, no,
you can't do that, Like that's insane, Like if if
you're doing that, that that's not a get out of
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the constitution free card, like we still are against cruel
in humane punishment. Like we're like, that's that's that's unconstitutional,
and there's no work around that says, oh, well, we're
going to outsource it. So if we knew so, if
we were going to send him to El Salvador knew
that bu Kelly was going to torture him as a result,
then we could not do that. What we could do
(29:52):
is you could deport him to Mexico.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, they absolutely could have done that.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
All you have to do is call Mexico and ask.
But the problem now Jadie Vass's point is that's annoying.
I don't want to have to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
No, I mean he has a So that then results
in US and if you're Mexico, you're not the American
court system. You don't know whether people who are being
deported actually are gang members or aren't gang members. And
so then you have the United States saying, hey, we'd
like to dump some of these suspected gang members into
Mexico because they were in our country illegally, they were deportable,
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they didn't have citizenship, and we are now trying to
do quote unquote mass deportations because the Biden administration let
a net, according to New York Times, eight million people
into the country over the course of three four years.
If you say to Mexico, we have to you know,
maybe just you know, five hundred thousand over the course
of the next four years. We don't know for sure.
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That is genuinely a really difficult thing to do. And
this is where the Trump administration is going to hit
an absolute brick wall. And I think they've already realized
that they've hit the brick wall, because now I say
this as somebody who thinks that there is a significant
problem here. And I don't know what mass deportation means
because it doesn't have a number, but there are a
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lot of people in this country who I don't think
some of them are decent and hard working and don't
deserve to live in the shadows without an answer on
their citizenship for years and years. I don't think that's
good for anybody. And so now they're in this situation
where it's like, well, you have all of these people
from Venezuela, Marco Rubio, we like, like Venezuelan's fleeing communism.
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That's like your whole thing, Cubans, What are you going
to do with people who are like in these situations.
You can't send them to Venezuela, you can't send them
back to Cuba. So what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And I think you're breaking up for a second. But
you know, I interviewed the Venezuelan Foreign minister a little
a while ago and under the Biden administration, and he
had said, he basically suggested that look, if we if
we can normalize relationship, normanize relations with the United States again,
you lift these sanctions, you know, get back to a
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normal way of doing business, we can take we can
take a ton of these Venezuelans back into Venezuela. The
same would be true of Cuba, the same would be
true of Haiti. Like we've destroyed these countries, created this
mass exodus, and now we're like, oh gee, there's nothing
we can do with these people.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
The Venezuela point isn't a bad argument for Trump's perspective,
because you know, he loves being the historic deal breaker
or the deal maker, not breaker deal maker, and this
idea of like a generational thaw in the relationship with
Venezuela in order to accept I mean tons of Venezuelan
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migrants that he surely wants to sweep up and quote
mass deportations. I don't know, He's not boxed in like
a president Marco Rubio would be. But he certainly has
Marco Rubio as the Secretary of Date and people who
see the issue like Rubio does surrounding him. And that's
the very traditional Cold War conservative perspective on total that
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Ronald Reagan actually violated, to criticism for a lot of
people of total non cooperation and like non contact basically
with these types of countries. And so if Trump breaks
that in order to get his his migrants supported, that'll
be interesting.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I don't see it happening, But I would love to
be wrong if my favorite thing is to be wrong
in a good direction. So let's let's see a last
thing I.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Was gonna say. I've told people in who I know
who work on some of these issues that it might
not be an idea, a bad idea to talk to
Trump about Cuba.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, I mean come on, yeah, Or I mean they're
just trying to create a failed state. That's the current
the current policies. Let's create a failed state and see
what happens.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
He wants to do ai era in Gaza. Let me
tell you Donald Trump what you could do with Havana.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yes, he can get his mob buddies over there. We
can get the band back together. Last thing before we
move on this, there's a new poll out that shows
that the American people, like by a very very wide margin,
are just not supportive of this idea that we should
be deporting students on behalf of Israel, on behalf of
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like you know, for the before simply expressing support for
Palestine by a wide margin, fifty four to twenty three
percent opposed deporting Greeden card holders, fifty two to twenty
six opposed deporting student visa holders. That's as a two
to one margin with you know, you've got a quota
of the people in the middle saying we're not sure.
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So it's you know, there aren't a lot of issues
in the US that are two to one, but this is.
But this is one him and we do.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Have one thing lastly as well, which is just that
Donald Trump was asked about compliance with the courts yesterday
and his pressor with Georgia Maloney. So let's go ahead
and take a listen.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
Will you take steps to return Kilmarregio Garcia the United States.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
And prettim in front of a judge. Well, I'm not
involved in it. I'm going to respond by saying he'll
have to speak to the lawyers the DOJ. I've heard
many things about him, and we'll have to find out
what the truth is.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So Ryan, the reason I thought that was useful, just
as we're closing out the segment is I was scrolling
through Bukelly's Twitter just now and he's retweeting things saying
that he confirmed that Abregio Garcia is staying in El Salvador.
People may have seen the Bukelly tweet saying he now
has the privilege of staying in Al Salvador. And on
top of that, Bukelly was tweeting things about how he's
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been trolling Democrats, and so it's like, you just like
Trump is now like excusing himself from the conversation, and
just you know what is the Taylor Swift line, I'd
very much like to be excluded from this this narrative
or this conversation. That's what he's he's doing. A couple
of days ago, he was sitting in the exact same spot,
very much wanting to be included in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, Trump famously respects the independence of the Department of Justice,
and so he's not gonna get involved in the those affairs.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, let's go to another significant quote from that press conference.
As we move over to the markets. This is Donald Trump.
A lot of news yesterday on the Fed front, so
much to break down. Let's start with Trump being asked
about Jerome Powell. He had a lot to say about
Jerome Powell in this press conference yesterday where he was
sitting beside Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney. So here's Trump on.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Not fast enough.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
He says he didn't ask him to.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
Oh he'll live. If I to, he'll be out of there.
But don't I don't think he's I don't think he
I don't think he's doing the job. He's too late,
always too late, a little slow, and I'm not.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Happy with him.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I let him know it.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
And oh, if I want him out, he'll be out
of their real fast believe me.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You a question, yeah, question, all right, Ryan reaction.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah. So the markets are, you know, sending a signal
that if if Trump, you know, forcibly removes the the
Chairman of the FED, that they would they would they
would lose that much more confidence in the American economy.
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Like the U the U. S economy is the envy
of the world, and it is the kind of place
where people, you know, try to find safety and sanctuary
because it is understood to be stable and to follow
the rule of law, because it is very it is
hard around the world to find. Like the Chinese Stock Exchange,
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for instance, would be doing a lot better relative to
Chinese economic capacity if there was more faith from international
investors that the investments were safe and that rule of
law was followed. So if you know, he's already you know,
taken a huge hammer to the idea of the stability
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of the American economy, if he goes and you know,
throws out the FED chair in order to kind of
prop up his terriff policy, what that would do is
it would be another signal to Wall Street, which is
currently kind of somewhere in the stage of denial or
anger about the tariff policy. Like wall Street is still
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desperately hoping that this guy can't be serious. He's like
in ninety days, he's please tell us he's not coming
back and trying this again. And if he pushes out
the FED chair, that would be a signal that, oh no, no,
this guy is deadly serious and he thinks that if
he can just get control of the monetary flow, he
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can If he can mess with that spigot, then he's
got then then his tariff policy is going to have
some real staying power.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Right And you're echoing Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett. This is
what's on the screen right here. This was a Politico story.
Besstont has been privately underscoring that acting Powell would feed
instability in the market, sources say, and Trump is also
aware of the stakes. That means that though Trump is
mad again at Powell, his job looks safer. Now, sorry
to interrupt, I just you had Scott Bessntt sitting there
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very stiffly in the press conference as Donald Trump was
making those comments, and Bessett seems to be having a
lot of his own perspectives taken very very seriously. That's
a lot of the reporting that Trump is leaning on
bess heavily right now, both Besson and Latink. Maybe it's
like a good and bad angel on the shoulder type dynamic.
(40:13):
But this is the argument that you were just making,
is apparently the argument his Treasury secretary is making to him.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah. Uh, if if I agree with the Trump's Treasury secretary,
then it should make.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
He's got a great Treasury secretary.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yes, so let's you know, he also defended his I
can pull this up here, also defended his tariff policy
to maloney, let mean, let's get this answer you plan
to use forward.
Speaker 8 (40:46):
No tariffs are making us rich.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
We were.
Speaker 8 (40:50):
Losing a lot of money under Biden, trillions of dollars
trillions on trade, and now that's that whole tide has
turned making a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
We're taking in a lot of money.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Don't forget. We're taking in twenty five percent on cars,
twenty five percent on steel, twenty five percent on the
aluminum ten baseline.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
And so the first estimates came came in well under
what what Trump was expecting, right, Apparently five hundred million
dollars has been collected through the tariff policy so far,
which is, you know, it's just just a complete pittance. Uh,
it's just kind of like laughable in the face of
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the amount of money that has moved and changed hands.
And we're talking about trillions of dollars. As he joked,
you know, Charles Schwab made two point five billion through
some shady insider trading in one day. So the entire
American people have just gotten a fifth of that sounds
like we're sounds like now we're really getting ripped off.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Well, and in this grand cost benefit analysis, we're starting
to get some examples of people posting. Actually, this is
one man who posted an example of what the tariffs
actually looked like. So he says, I got hit with
my first This is Aaron Rubin, my first twenty percent
terrifyed of China ship before that jump to one forty
five percent. I included the bill from CBP below. It's
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called the cn slash HKEO twenty percent duty. The product
isn't worth selling with one hundred and forty five percent tariffs.
So despite selling over one million of this SKU and
my tiny e comm business and customers being fairly happy,
I will be discontinuing this product. And there's another example.
This is Ryan Peterson. Two of our American customers, devastated
by the tariff, gave up and sold themselves to saw
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themselves to their Chinese factories in the last week, and
he posted I believe an entire thread of examples. Yeah,
thousands and the millions of American small businesses, including many
iconic brands, would go bankrupt this year if the tariff
policies on China don't change. He says. The manufacturers in
Vietnam and elsewhere can't be bothered with small batch production
jobs typical of small businesses. Why it just keeps going
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down the line, basically explaining, he says, when they die,
it may actually be the final victory for the Chinese manufacturers.
They scoop up brands that took decades to build through
the blood, sweat and tears. Are some of the most
creative and entrepreneurial people in the world. American brand builders
are second to none worldwide.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Right. Yeah, the deal that we had stitched out with
China so far is that we had the IP we
came up with these ideas. We've got the executives working
the nice, coashy jobs, and we want to reduce our
costs and you know, brust our unions, and so we're
going to ship the production over to China. And what
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Trump is going to do is not going to bring
the manufacturing back to the United States. What's going to
happen is that the Chinese company that makes the thing
was always a threat. Like That's the the similarity throughout
history is the kind of guards that organize themselves around
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an emperor or a president or a dictator, like those
guards are always the biggest risk of actually taking power
because they're like, wait a minute, like why are we
protecting this princeling? We could actually just we're the ones
with the weapons. Let's just take power. The parallels in China,
you had all these manufacturers who are like these executives
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over in Los Angeles are not that smart, Like, okay,
they came up with the name for this, this this handbag,
but we're the ones that make it, and we all
we have to figure out how to do is just
sell it to people around the world. The deal was
always that you're not going to do that. We've got
this arrangement that works for everybody. I mean, it doesn't
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work for the American workers necessarily, but this is.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
The arrangement were the Chinese workers or you.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Know, gradually, you know, and because of some equitable distribution,
some more equitable distribution works better for them. You know,
they had the fastest you know, reduction and poverty in
world history as a result of some of this. But
now they're saying, you know what, okay, fine, you are
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you you are putting your own companies out of business.
So therefore, we're just going to do that last leg
of it. And while this thing was making let's say
it was one hundred million dollar revenue, you were getting
eighty million, we were getting twenty million. We like the
idea of us getting you know, ninety million, and you
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getting ten as our kind of distribution network at the
very end of the chain that we will own from
beginning to end. So yeah, we like this. We'll keep
all the money, and the result will be a collapse
in standard of living in the United States.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Right. I don't know if you saw these charts that
Derek Thompson put up. These are from I think these
are from the Philadelphia are This one that's on the
screen right now is from the New York FED, a
survey from the New York FED. The one that was
just on the screen is from Philly FED. But this
is current in future general activity indexes, and you see
a decline that is starting on a trajectory that almost
looks similar. It looks like it's going to a similar
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trajectory to twenty twenty and COVID ERA. If we go
back to this Philly FED survey, you see differences in
general business conditions, new orders, and shipments between March and April,
and again, Ran, I think the way that I'm looking
at this is it is a long term cost benefit
analysis that is guaranteed to have short term pain. There
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is a possibility that there are long term gains, but
long the biggest question is whether those long term gains,
if they come outweigh the short term and then of
course the long term losses. And so the White House
has lists of you know, deals it has with countries
or new businesses that have agreed to a new deals
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with businesses that have agreed to invest more in the country.
But I mean in the last couple of weeks, those
are so far outweigh by the negatives in my estimation.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, right, The long term gains will go to the
companies and the countries that can take advantage of this moment,
and those at this point are Chinese companies and China.
Like it boggles my mind that Trump somehow thinks that
all of these companies that he is deliberately driving out
of business and into bankruptcy will somehow take advantage of
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his tariff policy and rebuild the American manufacturing capacity. Like
that's like he's wiping out the people who would do
the thing he wants them to do. The ultimate irony,
of course, is that if you look at the manufacturing
like numbers under the Biden administration, they were skyrocketing and
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it was through bipartisan industrial policy. Let's keep Trump's tariffs
in very targeted areas and let's subsidize domestic manufacturing in
the United States. Like that's it. Like that, That's what
you do if you wanted to do this. Trump instead
is like fighting against the subsidies, call you know, and
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then driving these companies that are driving this boom out
of business. So how he thinks that they'll somehow come
around and lead a long term turnaround is at least
beyond my capacity to think.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Should we roll these clips of Elizabeth Warren doing battle
on CNBC? I knew you would be excited about these,
So here is the first one there. She seemed to
be on for quite a long time. Right, Oh, I'm sorry,
This is a CNBC poll that's actually worth looking at
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before we even roll into this. I knew CNBC pool
that found Trump's job approval forty four fifty one. He's
down twelve points on the economy, done sixteen on tariffs,
and down twenty three points on inflation and cost of living.
So even by CNBC's metrics, that's where this is for Trump.
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Here we go with Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 6 (49:09):
But evidence are you pointing to that this is a
corrupt policy?
Speaker 7 (49:14):
Well, he right out in front announces a terror policy,
says there's going to be no exceptions that policy, and
then he says I talked to Tim Cook.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Oh really should be talking to Well. Then he follows
it up.
Speaker 7 (49:28):
I sing, and all of a sudden, great deal available
for Tim Cook. Tim Cook, who by the way, put
a million that's.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Great deal available for Americans who have to buy iPhone.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
No, it is a great deal for one company. But
how many of the competitors now get hurt? In fact,
I like to know what else goes on in this deal?
Is it that Tim Cook and his interest at protection?
But any of his competitors, I don't know. They get
a higher interest rate? What happens to them?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
All the corruption?
Speaker 6 (49:58):
And on what evidence ares rolling?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
The next clip here as.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
A reminder, So Congress gives the FED the authority. Can
the president terminate not that he said he's going to
do this, but can he terminate Powell's chairmanship? Earlier than
his end in term. No, under no circumstance. No, that's
not a concern for him.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Does it. Well?
Speaker 7 (50:20):
I thought we were talking about legally, Bryan, But this
is a president who has shown himself willing to violate
laws every police he goes, including willing to violate the
Constitution of the United States. So that obviously puts things
a little more in play than we ever would have guessed.
But I really want to make a pitch here for
a second about the importance of Powell staying in his job.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
And it's unusual coming from him. It's very critical of him.
Speaker 7 (50:47):
I have tangled with him on a regular basis about
both regulations and interest rates. But understand this, if Chairman
Pell can be fired by the President of the United States,
it will crash the markets in the United States. The
infrastructure that keeps this stock market strong and therefore a
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big part of our economy strong and therefore a big
part of the world economy strong, is the idea that
the big pieces move independent of the politics, that somebody
is making his there her best decisions economically and independently.
If we understand that if the New York Stock Exchange,
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if interest rates in the United states are subject to
a president who just wants to waive his magic wand
this doesn't distinguish us then from any other two bit
dictatorship around the world.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Ryan go off, Queen Well, I mean, she's right on
that point, but I also kind of understand a populist
argument for why the FED actually should be democratically controlled,
Like this is this is the people's reserve, this is
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the people's monetary policy. Now, I think that there needs
to be a democratic system applied to it, so it's
not because if you just allow the president without any
input from Congress, then he's going to just play games
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with the economy in the you know, leading into every election,
and that that makes a mockery of democracy because like,
if the goal is to have the feder be controlled
by the will of the public, but the will of
the public is manipulated by the president's control of monetary policy,
then then you don't actually have that right.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
You're substituting Jerome Powell for Trump, who's at least democratically
elected but still has what Elizabeth Warren is saying, the
underlying principle he's using. He's invoked emergency powers for these
terror for example, which is actually again in principle, sort
of getst the argument that she's making about the whims
of a principle being able to dictate these like significant
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market changes, which is historically why investments in the United
States were different than investments a lot of other places.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Right, Yeah, we do we like being a global economic
superpower or not? Like do we like?
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (53:22):
You know what? What what all this really shows is
that if we want to keep our position as an
economic superpower, we have to confront massive wealth and income
inequality because it is making us crazy like that, the
it is is driving us like economically insane, and we're
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going to then commit economic suicide, which is what we're
doing now if we don't, if we don't turn if
we don't turn this around, and that that will put
a dent in inequality in the sense that it will
take you know, some of these billionaire's wealth from like,
you know, five hundred billion down to three hundred billion.
But that doesn't change their lives and it doesn't make anybody,
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any of us, feel any better.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
So, in the interest of sharing what we mentioned earlier,
the White Houses, the sort of deals that they're pointing
to here, I just pulled up a press release that
they sent. I think this was from last week, but
you could see they have all of these bullet points.
JSW Steel announced will be adding jobs that it's Ohio
Steel plant. BMW is considering adding shifts to boot production
at South Carolina plant. And I did click through some
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of these last week when I got it, and some
of them predated Liberation Day, so take that for what
it is. But Mark announced it will invest eight billion
in the US for the next several years after opening
a new billion dollar in North Carolina manufacturing. There are
some of these example. There are all of these examples,
some of which are Paris Bagatt and that's the one
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hundred and sixty billion dollars investment, some of which are
bigger than others. But I think, Grian, this is where
I'm coming from. In the sort of long term cost
benefit analys like thirty thousand foot vantage point, you'll look
at all of these and you can put side by
side this a list of that's just as long of
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things that have like negative consequences post Liberation Day. And
so it's just to act as though this is definitively
I think definitively like good. I think the evidence points
that it's I don't want to say it's definitively like
over it's ruined, this isn't do any good. But so
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far I think it seems pretty clear that the bad
through the uncertainty, is outweighing the good.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Right And the question is, well, two questions, like how
many of these announcements are real and how many of
them are just trying to get on Trump's good side
to get exemptions from the future tariff policy, which is
the problem with having just one guy control all the
tariff policy. And the other is how many of these
announcements that are real were impossible otherwise, Like we're We're
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a very big, powerful country with a huge market and
a lot of incentives to offer people. If we wanted
those companies to do what they're doing invest in our
country like that, You know that that was happening, that
it was moving in that direction, and we could keep
doing it, and we and we and we should have
like there there is an industrial policy that uses targeted
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tariffs and subsidies and and other economic incentives to move
in that direction. Just go ahead and do it. Doesn't
mean you have to bankrupt hundreds of thousands of small
businesses along the way.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Uh it's I mean, so now that we're what is
this the third week of Liberation Day, what is your
assessment right of just this last week? Right?
Speaker 3 (56:47):
I mean, the he still seems committed to this like
incorrect understanding of of how he's going to like turn
this thing around. Like he he does not seem seem
to understand that China holds the cards and that the
US does have the capacity to commit economic suicide. And
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he's walking us off that cliff.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
He's well, he obviously maintains he's walking us off.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
To the golden era.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
I was gonna say what he used that what looks
like a cliff is actually a stairway to heaven.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, well it might be.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
It might be that, well, well maybe it'll listen. I'm
I'm not like as convinced that nothing, nothing good at
all will come of this, But I think as time
wears on, there's no industrial policy that's being coupled with us,
no significant industrial policy that's being coupled with this. There
is no certainty on the horizon. It is just indefinite uncertainty,
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not just a week of uncertainty that's used as leverage
just to cure really obviously good deals, and we still
over the course of this week not gotten evidence of
significantly good deals. If seventy seventy five countries are calling
the White House up, and I'm sure some of them
are because we do have China has cards, we obviously
have cards too, because we have a massive market of consumers,
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a huge consumer market. So there's you know, there's a
lot to be negotiated. But I just I mean, obviously
Maloney was here this week. I don't know how much
progress was made, and the EU does want to cut
a deal with us, but I've just haven't seen a
lot of emergent evidence in this last week that those
deals are really significant and being cut.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Right. That's the other thing is that these deals could
be cut without trying to blow up the world like he.
I see all of his defenders talking as if the
only way for the United States to get like Maloney
on the phone is to first blow up the world,
like again, have some self respect. The United States of America,
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the most powerful country history of the world. You want
to trade deal with EU, you can do a trade
deal with the EU. You don't have to throw his
appertantrum to get that to get those calls. Like I
see all his defenders saying all his phone is ringing
off the hill. He's the president of the United States.
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He can get anybody on the phone he wants. He
didn't need to do this. He has significantly weakened his
own negotiating position.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
I think there's an argument just to.
Speaker 3 (59:26):
Get Maloney on the phone or in the Oval office.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
I think there's an argument that if the uncertainty had
been that dramatic for a week, that is actually significant leverage.
That signals you are, like, this is Donald Trump not
messing around, and he's completely serious about doing what everyone
thinks is crazy. He doesn't think it's crazy. And if
he maintains it for a week, maybe he maintains it
for two weeks, then you know, you signal to people
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it's always like foreign policy, like he is not. This
is not him just throwing out different range ideas like
taking Canada. It's not him like joking around about the
fifty first state. This is completely serious. But now we're
just lingering into this ninety day pause period of uncertainty
on the reciprocal tariffs. And it's the water is so
completely muddy, and so if you keep this up long
(01:00:16):
enough that uncertainty means people are going to choose to
invest elsewhere, and it doesn't become its value as leverage
is overtaken by the cost of people needing certainty and
choosing where they can get certainty.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Yeah, And I just don't I just don't think that repeatedly,
like banging yourself over the head with a hammer, is
a way of showing that you're serious. Yeah, that shows
you're a crazy person that is eventually going to knock
yourself out.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Well, I think you could show your crazy person, yeah,
like briefly and then you have to return from the
events to actually.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Get to see those just two hammer blows.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good morning, Thank you so much for joining us on
another exciting Friday show.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Ryan, how you doing, I'm doing well? How about yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good? Have a good Friday to everyone. We're missing Crystal
and Sager today. They'll be with us in spirit, for sure.
They helped come up with a lot of the things
we're going to talk about today, so at least they
will be with us through the elements that they have chosen.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yes, exactly, We're just we're at we're at their mercy
here today.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yes, now, Ryan, I know that you have an update
on one of our favorite guests, Drop site writer Abu Baker.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, if the people might have noticed this on social media.
They have, and they should go go check out Abu
Baker's feed, you know, after a long and agonizing decision
and also then process, you know, he has left Gaza. Uh,
he'll he'll have more to say about, you know, where
he's going, what he's what he's doing next. I could
(01:35):
say that Jeremy is with him now. Uh. This the
story of of you know, get of getting out is
one that is you know, harrowing, and that I think he'll,
you know, he'll he'll want to tell it himself, So
I don't want to take anything away from that. Uh.
People should also remember this is his first time ever
(01:58):
leaving Gaza, so, you know, setting aside the unbearable, unthinkable
experience that he's had over the past eighteen months, to
leave Gaza for the first time in your life, in
your twenties and to see the world with those eyes
for the first time must be just an unimaginable perspective
(02:20):
and it will be I think a fascinating one because
he'll he'll be seeing the world, you know, through through
that perspective, and which would I think will help us,
you know, see that world in kind of a new way.
If it was an agonizing decision that no human beings
should be forced to make to either, you know, stay
(02:42):
with your family, stay with your people, stay committed to
what you're doing and quite plausibly die of malnutrition, or
leave your family, leave your people, and and pursue the
fight from elsewhere. Like it's it's a choice that I
(03:04):
can't even imagine what it must be like to have
had to wrestle with that. I'm thankful that he's that
he's safe right now.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, we're excited, I think to be able to hear
more from him about how harrowing exactly that journey was.
Brian looks like my camera just DROs again. There it is, okay,
So we have a lot to get through because the
case of Kilmar Abreo Garcia continued to be there were
(03:36):
developments throughout the day yesterday in the case of Kilmar
Aberdo Garcia, but also ran. There's a drop site, a
drop site scoop that we're actually going to start with
about deportations and people having trouble with their ability to
remain in the United States. We'll get in all of that.
We're going to talk about some market updates. Elizabeth Warren
actually did battle on CNBC yesterday, So we have some
(03:58):
cool clips from that and more from Bernie and Aosi's
war on the Democratic Party or the Democratic Parties war
on Bernie and aoc H. And we'll be joined by
the author of the squad for that block. That's of course,
Ryan Grim. All right, Yeah, I can put this drop
(04:19):
side element up on the screen. This is a scoop
that you guys got yesterday.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I would I would call this a I would call
this a Huffington Post level scoop in the sense that
it wasn't ours. A terrific reporter Jackieano's for The Florida
Phoenix has been has been tracking this story. But what
we used to do it so effectively at the Huffington Post,
in which we still do at which we still do
(04:48):
with our social media feed, is we'll we'll try to
elevate things that that the rest of the national media
is missing and the Beadia had missed this. The story
is why and it had I guess it has a
good ending at this point. He was one Carlos Lopez Gomez,
who was at the center of it, was eventually freed
late late yesterday, But effectively, what happened. Florida passed a
(05:13):
law that says that if you bring an unauthorized alien
into the state of Florida, you know, that is a
state crime, on top of it being a federal crime
in a matter for ice. And so this guy, Lopez
Gomez was driving from Georgia, or he was in a
passenger seat coming from Georgia to Florida. They got pulled
(05:33):
over and he didn't speak English, and so they arrest
him and hold him. It turns out he was born
in Georgia. When he was one, he moved to southern
Mexico and basically grew up there, and he grew up
speaking a Mayan language. You should tell I think it's
called People can correct me on that. It's a very
(05:55):
common language in Guatemala and southern Mexico. And obviously it
has been spoken on this continent for I guess probably
thousands of years at this point, which is, let's underscore
the irony here of you know you're here speak English.
It's like, well, England is a is an island that's
many thousands of miles away from here. This is a
(06:17):
language that's been spoken here for thousands of years. Setting
that aside, the cops are like confused by this situation.
At best, they arrest him. He gets his he gets
his day in court, and his mother shows up with
his birth certificate and his Social Security card, which, Okay, Florida,
Florida cops made a mistake. Let let the guy go.
(06:41):
The Florida prosecutor insists on holding him and says that
there is also a an ICE order that he be
held because now you know, Florida is cooperating with ICE
on all of these matters. And the judge in the case,
you know, she holds up the birth certificate, she's holds
it in the lights. I see the watermark. This is
(07:01):
an authentic birth certificate. There's an authentic Sold Security card.
This is an American citizen. But I'm a state judge.
The prosecutor and ier insisting that this man continued to
be held and so I have no authority to release him.
It was only then after there was a huge outcry
and this incident kind of took on viral velocity that
(07:24):
that they that they announced that they were going to
be releasing him. Now, what if they had decided in
that time to ship him to El Salvador, m Like,
you know, and then they could say, well, we made
a mistake. It turns out that he is a citizen.
This was an authentic birth certificate. That's our bad. We
(07:47):
made a mistake. We acknowledged that we made a mistake.
But who are we to tell Boo Kelly you know,
what to do with people that are in his custody.
There is no gap in the legal life that applies
to a Brigo Garcia that they're applying to a Brigo
Garcia that would have that wouldn't apply to this, uh,
this American citizen here. So hopefully this is the end
(08:11):
of the the end of it for Lopez Gomez. But
you know, it's only April, and they're already, you know,
detain you know, they already had detained an American citizen,
and it'd be one thing was a mistake, and okay,
sorry about this once they saw his birth certificate and
sold security card from his mother, and and they still
insist it's one thing is that judge is powerless. The
(08:33):
prosecutor was not powerless. Ice was not powerless. They insisted
on pushing through the evidence in front of their face
that he was an American citizen, and insisted on continuing
to detain him. The I guess the only upside is
that public pressure still means something like that. That's that's
(08:54):
a hopeful sign. But I don't know what what did
you see this circulating on the right or did this
happen too quickly to No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
See its circulating all. No, I didn't see its circulating
on the right at all. But before we get into actually,
I think this is a good segue into the clip
of Tim Burchett that we wanted to play, because before
we get into Abrigo Garcia and the dangers when you
start at treating American citizens, uh, in this way, I
want to roll this interview from Tim Burchett is a
(09:24):
Republican congressman. Probably have seen him on CNN and he
does that all the time, But this time he's on
News Nation, uh, talking about whether or not American citizens,
as the President has floated, should go to places like
Seacott in Al Salvador. So let me pull this up
(09:45):
right now.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And some are wondering, though, if it's a slippery slip,
what's your reaction to President Trump suggesting that homegrown criminals
could be sent to El Salvador next American citizens?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
They're criminals. They broke our laws. They need to suffer
our punishment. But I don't want Donald Trump teaching my
daughter's Sunday school class. But Dad got my like him
in the White House because he understands the rule of law.
I feel like in America is sick of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay, So, Ryan, I Burchett basically said they're criminals, they
should follow our laws. And I mean, did he listen
to the question, Like I don't. That's what I was
just going to say.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But either way, it's you know, if you think questions
that should Americans be sent to a dungeon in a
foreign country, you would listen to the question.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, yeah, but he I, Yeah, exactly. He did the
sort of thing that Republican congressmen often do when asked
about Donald Trump, which is just sort of deflect and
move on to your sort of general talking point. I
don't want him teaching my daughter's Sunday school class, but
you know, he's right for the American people, And I
just it's so the reason I wanted to talk about
(10:55):
this clip in that context. To your point, Ryan, an
American citizen gets sent to El Salvador and lawyers can't
get in touch, and it's up to the Calae to
bring people unless we want to do like a military
invasion of El Salvador. I mean, it's just the things
that they're playing with here are so they're just so disturbing.
(11:17):
And one of the other reasons I want to talk
about this is the the some people on the rights
bul fetish is so weird, and I think.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
That Palestinian.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
This is Trump's favorite insult. Yeah, but it's not. I mean,
it's not inexplicable, and it's not everyone, but it is
so weird. Like, we can take care we have our
own law enforcement. Do we not believe that we're, you know,
on the right. Do we not believe that we're the
greatest country in the world. Do we need to be
outsourcing our law enforcement to El Salvador? Give me a break.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah. To me, it reflects a real contempt, within a
signal constrain of the right for the American values, in
American capacity to handle our own problems. I think I
think you're right, like and you even see it reflected
slightly in jd Vance's fighting with z and everybody else
on Twitter over the last few days, where he keeps
(12:15):
throwing his hands up and saying what do you want
us to do? You know, Biden let in millions of
people illegally, what what do you want us to do?
It's like, well, if you don't like the laws that
are on the books, then take the campaign pledges that
you made while you ran for office, take them to
Congress and write new laws like you already the Democrats
(12:38):
already show like and then you hear push, oh the
Democrats won't vote for it. Well, then you get rid
of the filibuster. If you want, you have, you have
the votes. Also, Democrats have shown they're they're willing to
be utterly spineless and give you whatever you want. On
the question of immigration, you know the Lake and Riley
Act I don't allows h immigration authority is to go
(13:00):
back and deport anybody who has been charged with a crime. Charged, accused,
that's it, just charged there there. You don't even have
need to have due process. That's just process. All you
have to do is write up a charge and Democrats
rubber stamp that for you. So you're telling me what
(13:22):
the this weak little opposition party that Republicans can't find
a way to use America's system of government to create
the kind of process that they believe is a just
way to respond to what they see as the injustice
of Bind's immigration policy. Like if you don't, if you
(13:44):
don't even think that you have the capacity to do
that as a governing majority, and you have to outsource
it to this tinpot dictator in El Salvador, don't you
have some sense of shame? Like don't you have any
self respet act? Like I find it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
A little bit emasculating, to be honest, these Republican congressman
to go to the prison and pose with like bou
Kelly's prisoners.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's just awful, it isn't it's it's really embarrassing. Yeah,
don't you do you have no dignity that this is
like this is your king? Yeah, it's really looks he
looks good in sunglasses, Like, but is that your bar He.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Looks like he's like a theater kid when he's putting
his sunglasses on.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I was trying to be generous to him, but you're.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But in all seriousness, let's get into some of this
book Cala abrego Garcia stuff. Because also it's just like
the Trump administration is pejoratively referring to Zelenski as a dictator.
I actually I think there's some meat on those bones.
You can make that argument pretty well. But Kelly walks
around calling himself a dictator, right, it's a cool dictator.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Don't they call itself a cool dictator?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, it's coolest dictator. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Nobody, by the way, who's cool has ever called themselves cool.
Just let's let's be clear about that before we go
to abrio Garcia. Let's just put it real quickly. This uh,
this like lunatic thing that's going on in uh, not
just Pennsylvania, but you've got all these American citizens who
are reporting and and you've got their immigration attorneys vouching
(15:19):
for the fact that these are all authentic. Get they're
just like ICE is now spamming people telling them to
get out of the country, including a bunch of American citizens.
This one here, Lisa Anderson, born in Pennsylvania, you know,
said that she's never had any interaction with immigration ever,
(15:41):
and she got an email telling her like this doctor
like telling her get out of the country. It would
be it would be ironic if ICE is profiling doctors,
like assuming that if you're a doctor, you weren't born
here in this country, like what what would that say
about ICE's confidence American born people here like, oh, oh
(16:04):
you're a doctor, you're probably an immigrant. I think if
that's the situation where ICE has found itself, I think
we have a a lot bigger problems than the number
of people that Biden led into the country.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
So Chris van Holland, Maryland Democrat senator obviously had a
hell of a day yesterday. Let's get into some of that.
So first he had been denied access into Seacott. So
that's the maximum security massive prison that according to a
Wall Street Journal report, I think that just came out yesterday,
Bukellay is planning to expand basically double in size. The
(16:42):
sourcing was basically Christy Nome to the Wall Street Journal
story saying that bu Kelly is planning and really because
already one in fifty seven Salvadorian citizens is locked up.
It sounds like, and this is the dots that the
Wall Street Journal connected, that's going to be deportations, deportees
from the United States. That's sort of the plan.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So growth industry.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, so if we are working with El Salvador to
do that, so many more questions to be asked. We'll
see how that develops. But Chris van Holland tried to
get in yesterday because that's where Abrallo Garcia is being held,
and that did not go well for him. So then
(17:26):
we got we received actually this picture. Let me share
this one Kilmar Abrago Garcia. This is a tweet from
Boucel miraculously risen from the quote death camps end quote
torture now sipping Margarita's with Senator Van Holland in the
tropical paradise of Al Salvador. Ryan reaction to this.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I mean, on the one hand, I think this is
like Chris van and we live in a cynical age.
But I think Chris van Holland deserves, you know, some
serious credit, whether you agree with them or disagree with them.
Like he he saw what he believed to be an
injustice that was being carried out against his constituent. And
(18:13):
if you don't think that a resident counts as a constituent,
you can count his wife, who is this constituent. And
he went down to El Salvador to try to write
that injustice. Van Holland has an interesting backstory, like the
kind of what you would call deep state connected. Both
his mother and father worked in either the State Department
or the CIA. Van Holland himself was actually born in
(18:35):
Pakistan while while his uh while his while his parents
were like stationed over there. He was a Senate Foreign
Relations staffer before becoming a senator, and he and Peter
Galbraith kind of famously snuck into northern Iraq after Saddam
Hussein's nineteen ninety one kind of attack on the Curve.
(19:00):
If people know the history of this, it was this
kind of almost genocidal attack on an uprising in northern
Iraq where he used where he used weapons of mass
destruction against them, and Van Hollen snuck into northern Iraq
through Syria, through Turkey, I mean, and secreted it out
(19:21):
an enormous trunch of evidence to like validate the claims
that were being made that Saddam Hussein had done this
and had used these chemical weapons against the Kurds who
people kept calling his own people. He gassed his own people.
Courage did not like it if you would call call
him Saddam Hussein's people. So this is a guy who
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has worked within the system, and he's part of the system,
but he's always been willing to take risks as well.
And so I think the fact that the fact that
he pressured Bukelli not just to meet him, but to
get him out of the prison certainly undermines Bukelli's Trump's
claim that you can't do that. What bo County and
(20:03):
Trump were leaning on was too bad. This is a
this is a prison for terrorists, and you know, you
go in and you come out in a box like
that's it, there's no way out, and you know you
still have JD Vance online saying, look, the guy deserves
to be deported, continuing to allie the issue, which is
should he be held for life in a in a
(20:25):
prison notorious for its like unspeakable conditions, which is a
different question than should somebody be deported from one country
to another? What did you? What did you make of?
It feels like the right is almost kind of enjoying this,
like that they think they're winning this.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Well.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I mean, so, Chris van Holland, I think there's I
think what he did was legitimately personally brave, like physically brave,
but I think he is not walking the fine line
between treating a Brigo Garcia as a victim and a martyr.
And I think a Brego Garcia is a victim of
a bad poula see by the Trump administration. I think
the right is significantly downplaying how grave of a quote
(21:05):
unquote mistake it was to just say, whoops, sorry, he had.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
This withholding literally like whoopsie, oh he said.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
That about the Venezuelan plane that was about he may
have been a break up. Garcia actually may have been
on the plane.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Probably on that plane yet because it was part of
that deportation.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, yeah, he may have been on that plane. And yeah.
The so anyway, all that is to say that is
I mean, it is not just a minor error. That
is a significant error. He had the withholding order. He
was you know, in a legal process with our country
and was just sent somewhere. Court said that he could
not be sent to The Trump administration did nothing to
(21:43):
rectify it and basically laughed the entire way. That was
a huge mistake. I think Van Hollens is creeping into
significantly creating creeping into martyr territory. I think politically, I'll
get to the substance in a second. I think politically
it looked pretty I think the White House got them
when they brought the mother of the woman who was
(22:06):
the girl who was killed in Maryland to the White
House press briefing. I think that was really a brutal
look for Chris ben Holland. Yeah, I think you disagree.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, right. And so the hit was that there was
a murder victim in Maryland and Van Holland had not,
like called the mother. I had bad news about Maryland,
that a lot of people get murdered in Maryland, and yeah,
good if every senator called every every parent of every
(22:39):
murder victim. The strong implication from the White House there
was that kill mar Albrigo Garcia had killed.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This No, no, no, no, I think.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
What's it like, what exactly is the the.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Mom point the mom was saying, you are exerting all
of this effort to bring home this man who was
in the country, who crossed through the country illegally and
was deportable, not deportable to El Salvador, but was deportable,
and you didn't devote enough attention to the problem that
led to my daughter's death. That was the contention. I
(23:16):
think that is. I think that hits home with a
lot of people. That's just the politics of it, the
substance of it. Yeah, I think Van Holland is treating
him more as a martyr than a victim, and I
think he is a victim. But because your victim doesn't
mean you have to be sort of treated as someone
who's like a martyr in and of itself. Now, that said,
(23:37):
the Trump administration's position on this is absolutely insane and
was also not good for the Trump administration. So it's
not like the everyone's a It's not like there are
any I don't think there are any real winners here
at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
And I think it is it is. It is always
difficult in politics to stand up for a principle if
if your case is not you know, absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, we have Jesse Waters talking about this. Did you
see this clip, Brian.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
No, let's I did see this. You want to roll
this and then we can talk about it.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, because you were just getting into this argument that
he starts making. Here, here we go, Jesse. You have
to have a victim that is pure.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
You can't have a Floyd, you can't have a Smolette,
you can't have a Garcia.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Your example, a victimhood.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Has to be a sympathetic victim, not someone who beats
his wife.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And traffics humans. And so his wife did get successfully
get a temporary abrego. Garcia's wife did successfully get a
temporary restraining order with really awful allegations of violence towards her.
But right to the point that you were making, when
our courts are violated, it's unsympathetic victims that you sort
(25:01):
of bring out the principles among lawmakers, elected officials and
the political class.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Right right and for for Jess by the way, on
the on the on the domestic violence. So his wife
has since come out and said that she had previously
been in a in a in a violent relationship and
that she got into a fight with Kilmar that did
not turn violent at all, and in order to and
(25:31):
because of the trauma that she'd been through before, she
kind of made up some of that stuff so that
she could get have a restraining order like ready to
go in case she needed it. Like that's what she's
that's what she says. Now. Uh. The irony of Jesse
Waters now being a believe all women like me too supporter,
like he has finally found he has finally found allegations
(25:55):
against a man that he is like immediately willing to
accept shut just Wow, how what what a coincidence that
he's become this like me too, champion. But yeah, you're right,
like when you're standing up for a principal, you have
to stand up for it, like no, no, no matter what,
and even even if even if the person isn't perfect.
(26:17):
But on the other hand, it doesn't you know, doesn't
does seem like he's like that bad a guy according
to his wife, like she kind of she she shouldn't
have she should not have done that, like you should
not make up allegations. Now maybe now she's saying that now.
Either way, none of it means that the Trump administration
(26:39):
should be allowed to ignore a court order and send
somebody illegally to a terror dungeon, a torture dungeon. And
that's what that's what somehow keeps getting missed in this conversation,
like hell, okay, look, jd Vance, nobody would there would
be some people complaining. But if you just depour him
(27:00):
to El Salvador and you violated the court order about
yeah that he can't go to L Salvador, but he
were living with his parents in l Salvador, and you
know he was at some risk because of the gang.
But then on the other hand, you know, bu Kelly
has probably crushed a lot of the gang that was
(27:20):
intimidating him in the past. If that was the situation,
it wouldn't be an international story. It would be it
would be the Trump administration ignoring a court order, which
would be bad and which should be pushed back on,
and the courts should take that up as well. But
it would not be captivating the imaginations of the world
if he weren't in a dungeon, the likes of which
(27:44):
are just like impossible to contemplate sleeping you know, fluorescent
lights twenty four hours a day on a metal you
sleep on a metal sheet with no mattress, you just
fed beans and rice to eat by hand. Uh, presumably
there's just you know, violence at all hours, because you know,
(28:06):
it's a decent number of violent people in there already
and now they're all absolutely losing their minds in this situation,
just absolutely horrifying, and in a place that nobody's expected
to leave alive. If that's where he was sent and
that keeps getting lost.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, and you know, again, if the Trump administration had
deported him with like actual in compliance with that withholding order,
or they had gotten the holding order removed, and Bukell
accepted his own citizen and did what he wanted to
do to his own citizen. It's totally different than us
making a mistake and then allowing him to fester in
(28:46):
the prison because they're like, oh, he can't get right.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
But at the same time, like the Bush administration used
to rendition, you know, before it started torturing people on
its own, it would take people and send them to Egypt,
and oftentimes there's evidence that CIA officials would go along
with them and would be part of these or observing
these interrogations. So they would take people and they'd send
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them to torture chambers in Egypt or Syria actually where
they would be then tortured on behalf of the United States.
Those are called extraordinary renditions. Was the term that Chaining
came up with for them. It was it was decided that, no,
you can't do that, Like that's insane, Like if if
you're doing that, that that's not a get out of
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the constitution free card, like we still are against cruel
in humane punishment. Like we're like, that's that's that's unconstitutional,
and there's no work around that says, oh, well, we're
going to outsource it. So if we knew so, if
we were going to send him to El Salvador knew
that bu Kelly was going to torture him as a result,
then we could not do that. What we could do
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is you could deport him to Mexico.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, they absolutely could have done that.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
All you have to do is call Mexico and ask.
But the problem now Jadie Vass's point is that's annoying.
I don't want to have to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
No, I mean he has a So that then results
in US and if you're Mexico, you're not the American
court system. You don't know whether people who are being
deported actually are gang members or aren't gang members. And
so then you have the United States saying, hey, we'd
like to dump some of these suspected gang members into
Mexico because they were in our country illegally, they were deportable,
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they didn't have citizenship, and we are now trying to
do quote unquote mass deportations because the Biden administration let
a net, according to New York Times, eight million people
into the country over the course of three four years.
If you say to Mexico, we have to you know,
maybe just you know, five hundred thousand over the course
of the next four years. We don't know for sure.
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That is genuinely a really difficult thing to do. And
this is where the Trump administration is going to hit
an absolute brick wall. And I think they've already realized
that they've hit the brick wall, because now I say
this as somebody who thinks that there is a significant
problem here. And I don't know what mass deportation means
because it doesn't have a number, but there are a
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lot of people in this country who I don't think
some of them are decent and hard working and don't
deserve to live in the shadows without an answer on
their citizenship for years and years. I don't think that's
good for anybody. And so now they're in this situation
where it's like, well, you have all of these people
from Venezuela, Marco Rubio, we like, like Venezuelan's fleeing communism.
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That's like your whole thing, Cubans, What are you going
to do with people who are like in these situations.
You can't send them to Venezuela, you can't send them
back to Cuba. So what are you going to do?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And I think you're breaking up for a second. But
you know, I interviewed the Venezuelan Foreign minister a little
a while ago and under the Biden administration, and he
had said, he basically suggested that look, if we if
we can normalize relationship, normanize relations with the United States again,
you lift these sanctions, you know, get back to a
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normal way of doing business, we can take we can
take a ton of these Venezuelans back into Venezuela. The
same would be true of Cuba, the same would be
true of Haiti. Like we've destroyed these countries, created this
mass exodus, and now we're like, oh gee, there's nothing
we can do with these people.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
The Venezuela point isn't a bad argument for Trump's perspective,
because you know, he loves being the historic deal breaker
or the deal maker, not breaker deal maker, and this
idea of like a generational thaw in the relationship with
Venezuela in order to accept I mean tons of Venezuelan
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migrants that he surely wants to sweep up and quote
mass deportations. I don't know, He's not boxed in like
a president Marco Rubio would be. But he certainly has
Marco Rubio as the Secretary of Date and people who
see the issue like Rubio does surrounding him. And that's
the very traditional Cold War conservative perspective on total that
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Ronald Reagan actually violated, to criticism for a lot of
people of total non cooperation and like non contact basically
with these types of countries. And so if Trump breaks
that in order to get his his migrants supported, that'll
be interesting.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I don't see it happening, But I would love to
be wrong if my favorite thing is to be wrong
in a good direction. So let's let's see a last
thing I.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Was gonna say. I've told people in who I know
who work on some of these issues that it might
not be an idea, a bad idea to talk to
Trump about Cuba.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, I mean come on, yeah, Or I mean they're
just trying to create a failed state. That's the current
the current policies. Let's create a failed state and see
what happens.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
He wants to do ai era in Gaza. Let me
tell you Donald Trump what you could do with Havana.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yes, he can get his mob buddies over there. We
can get the band back together. Last thing before we
move on this, there's a new poll out that shows
that the American people, like by a very very wide margin,
are just not supportive of this idea that we should
be deporting students on behalf of Israel, on behalf of
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like you know, for the before simply expressing support for
Palestine by a wide margin, fifty four to twenty three
percent opposed deporting Greeden card holders, fifty two to twenty
six opposed deporting student visa holders. That's as a two
to one margin with you know, you've got a quota
of the people in the middle saying we're not sure.
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So it's you know, there aren't a lot of issues
in the US that are two to one, but this is.
But this is one him and we do.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Have one thing lastly as well, which is just that
Donald Trump was asked about compliance with the courts yesterday
and his pressor with Georgia Maloney. So let's go ahead
and take a listen.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
Will you take steps to return Kilmarregio Garcia the United States.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
And prettim in front of a judge. Well, I'm not
involved in it. I'm going to respond by saying he'll
have to speak to the lawyers the DOJ. I've heard
many things about him, and we'll have to find out
what the truth is.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So Ryan, the reason I thought that was useful, just
as we're closing out the segment is I was scrolling
through Bukelly's Twitter just now and he's retweeting things saying
that he confirmed that Abregio Garcia is staying in El Salvador.
People may have seen the Bukelly tweet saying he now
has the privilege of staying in Al Salvador. And on
top of that, Bukelly was tweeting things about how he's
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been trolling Democrats, and so it's like, you just like
Trump is now like excusing himself from the conversation, and
just you know what is the Taylor Swift line, I'd
very much like to be excluded from this this narrative
or this conversation. That's what he's he's doing. A couple
of days ago, he was sitting in the exact same spot,
very much wanting to be included in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, Trump famously respects the independence of the Department of Justice,
and so he's not gonna get involved in the those affairs.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, let's go to another significant quote from that press conference.
As we move over to the markets. This is Donald Trump.
A lot of news yesterday on the Fed front, so
much to break down. Let's start with Trump being asked
about Jerome Powell. He had a lot to say about
Jerome Powell in this press conference yesterday where he was
sitting beside Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney. So here's Trump on.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Not fast enough.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
He says he didn't ask him to.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
Oh he'll live. If I to, he'll be out of there.
But don't I don't think he's I don't think he
I don't think he's doing the job. He's too late,
always too late, a little slow, and I'm not.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Happy with him.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I let him know it.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
And oh, if I want him out, he'll be out
of their real fast believe me.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You a question, yeah, question, all right, Ryan reaction.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah. So the markets are, you know, sending a signal
that if if Trump, you know, forcibly removes the the
Chairman of the FED, that they would they would they
would lose that much more confidence in the American economy.
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Like the U the U. S economy is the envy
of the world, and it is the kind of place
where people, you know, try to find safety and sanctuary
because it is understood to be stable and to follow
the rule of law, because it is very it is
hard around the world to find. Like the Chinese Stock Exchange,
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for instance, would be doing a lot better relative to
Chinese economic capacity if there was more faith from international
investors that the investments were safe and that rule of
law was followed. So if you know, he's already you know,
taken a huge hammer to the idea of the stability
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of the American economy, if he goes and you know,
throws out the FED chair in order to kind of
prop up his terriff policy, what that would do is
it would be another signal to Wall Street, which is
currently kind of somewhere in the stage of denial or
anger about the tariff policy. Like wall Street is still
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desperately hoping that this guy can't be serious. He's like
in ninety days, he's please tell us he's not coming
back and trying this again. And if he pushes out
the FED chair, that would be a signal that, oh no, no,
this guy is deadly serious and he thinks that if
he can just get control of the monetary flow, he
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can If he can mess with that spigot, then he's
got then then his tariff policy is going to have
some real staying power.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Right And you're echoing Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett. This is
what's on the screen right here. This was a Politico story.
Besstont has been privately underscoring that acting Powell would feed
instability in the market, sources say, and Trump is also
aware of the stakes. That means that though Trump is
mad again at Powell, his job looks safer. Now, sorry
to interrupt, I just you had Scott Bessntt sitting there
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very stiffly in the press conference as Donald Trump was
making those comments, and Bessett seems to be having a
lot of his own perspectives taken very very seriously. That's
a lot of the reporting that Trump is leaning on
bess heavily right now, both Besson and Latink. Maybe it's
like a good and bad angel on the shoulder type dynamic.
(40:13):
But this is the argument that you were just making,
is apparently the argument his Treasury secretary is making to him.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah. Uh, if if I agree with the Trump's Treasury secretary,
then it should make.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
He's got a great Treasury secretary.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yes, so let's you know, he also defended his I
can pull this up here, also defended his tariff policy
to maloney, let mean, let's get this answer you plan
to use forward.
Speaker 8 (40:46):
No tariffs are making us rich.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
We were.
Speaker 8 (40:50):
Losing a lot of money under Biden, trillions of dollars
trillions on trade, and now that's that whole tide has
turned making a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
We're taking in a lot of money.
Speaker 8 (41:02):
Don't forget. We're taking in twenty five percent on cars,
twenty five percent on steel, twenty five percent on the
aluminum ten baseline.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
And so the first estimates came came in well under
what what Trump was expecting, right, Apparently five hundred million
dollars has been collected through the tariff policy so far,
which is, you know, it's just just a complete pittance. Uh,
it's just kind of like laughable in the face of
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the amount of money that has moved and changed hands.
And we're talking about trillions of dollars. As he joked,
you know, Charles Schwab made two point five billion through
some shady insider trading in one day. So the entire
American people have just gotten a fifth of that sounds
like we're sounds like now we're really getting ripped off.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Well, and in this grand cost benefit analysis, we're starting
to get some examples of people posting. Actually, this is
one man who posted an example of what the tariffs
actually looked like. So he says, I got hit with
my first This is Aaron Rubin, my first twenty percent
terrifyed of China ship before that jump to one forty
five percent. I included the bill from CBP below. It's
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called the cn slash HKEO twenty percent duty. The product
isn't worth selling with one hundred and forty five percent tariffs.
So despite selling over one million of this SKU and
my tiny e comm business and customers being fairly happy,
I will be discontinuing this product. And there's another example.
This is Ryan Peterson. Two of our American customers, devastated
by the tariff, gave up and sold themselves to saw
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themselves to their Chinese factories in the last week, and
he posted I believe an entire thread of examples. Yeah,
thousands and the millions of American small businesses, including many
iconic brands, would go bankrupt this year if the tariff
policies on China don't change. He says. The manufacturers in
Vietnam and elsewhere can't be bothered with small batch production
jobs typical of small businesses. Why it just keeps going
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down the line, basically explaining, he says, when they die,
it may actually be the final victory for the Chinese manufacturers.
They scoop up brands that took decades to build through
the blood, sweat and tears. Are some of the most
creative and entrepreneurial people in the world. American brand builders
are second to none worldwide.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Right. Yeah, the deal that we had stitched out with
China so far is that we had the IP we
came up with these ideas. We've got the executives working
the nice, coashy jobs, and we want to reduce our
costs and you know, brust our unions, and so we're
going to ship the production over to China. And what
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Trump is going to do is not going to bring
the manufacturing back to the United States. What's going to
happen is that the Chinese company that makes the thing
was always a threat. Like That's the the similarity throughout
history is the kind of guards that organize themselves around
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an emperor or a president or a dictator, like those
guards are always the biggest risk of actually taking power
because they're like, wait a minute, like why are we
protecting this princeling? We could actually just we're the ones
with the weapons. Let's just take power. The parallels in China,
you had all these manufacturers who are like these executives
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over in Los Angeles are not that smart, Like, okay,
they came up with the name for this, this this handbag,
but we're the ones that make it, and we all
we have to figure out how to do is just
sell it to people around the world. The deal was
always that you're not going to do that. We've got
this arrangement that works for everybody. I mean, it doesn't
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work for the American workers necessarily, but this is.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
The arrangement were the Chinese workers or you.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Know, gradually, you know, and because of some equitable distribution,
some more equitable distribution works better for them. You know,
they had the fastest you know, reduction and poverty in
world history as a result of some of this. But
now they're saying, you know what, okay, fine, you are
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you you are putting your own companies out of business.
So therefore, we're just going to do that last leg
of it. And while this thing was making let's say
it was one hundred million dollar revenue, you were getting
eighty million, we were getting twenty million. We like the
idea of us getting you know, ninety million, and you
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getting ten as our kind of distribution network at the
very end of the chain that we will own from
beginning to end. So yeah, we like this. We'll keep
all the money, and the result will be a collapse
in standard of living in the United States.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Right. I don't know if you saw these charts that
Derek Thompson put up. These are from I think these
are from the Philadelphia are This one that's on the
screen right now is from the New York FED, a
survey from the New York FED. The one that was
just on the screen is from Philly FED. But this
is current in future general activity indexes, and you see
a decline that is starting on a trajectory that almost
looks similar. It looks like it's going to a similar
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trajectory to twenty twenty and COVID ERA. If we go
back to this Philly FED survey, you see differences in
general business conditions, new orders, and shipments between March and April,
and again, Ran, I think the way that I'm looking
at this is it is a long term cost benefit
analysis that is guaranteed to have short term pain. There
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is a possibility that there are long term gains, but
long the biggest question is whether those long term gains,
if they come outweigh the short term and then of
course the long term losses. And so the White House
has lists of you know, deals it has with countries
or new businesses that have agreed to a new deals
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with businesses that have agreed to invest more in the country.
But I mean in the last couple of weeks, those
are so far outweigh by the negatives in my estimation.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, right, The long term gains will go to the
companies and the countries that can take advantage of this moment,
and those at this point are Chinese companies and China.
Like it boggles my mind that Trump somehow thinks that
all of these companies that he is deliberately driving out
of business and into bankruptcy will somehow take advantage of
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his tariff policy and rebuild the American manufacturing capacity. Like
that's like he's wiping out the people who would do
the thing he wants them to do. The ultimate irony,
of course, is that if you look at the manufacturing
like numbers under the Biden administration, they were skyrocketing and
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it was through bipartisan industrial policy. Let's keep Trump's tariffs
in very targeted areas and let's subsidize domestic manufacturing in
the United States. Like that's it. Like that, That's what
you do if you wanted to do this. Trump instead
is like fighting against the subsidies, call you know, and
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then driving these companies that are driving this boom out
of business. So how he thinks that they'll somehow come
around and lead a long term turnaround is at least
beyond my capacity to think.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Should we roll these clips of Elizabeth Warren doing battle
on CNBC? I knew you would be excited about these,
So here is the first one there. She seemed to
be on for quite a long time. Right, Oh, I'm sorry,
This is a CNBC poll that's actually worth looking at
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before we even roll into this. I knew CNBC pool
that found Trump's job approval forty four fifty one. He's
down twelve points on the economy, done sixteen on tariffs,
and down twenty three points on inflation and cost of living.
So even by CNBC's metrics, that's where this is for Trump.
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Here we go with Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 6 (49:09):
But evidence are you pointing to that this is a
corrupt policy?
Speaker 7 (49:14):
Well, he right out in front announces a terror policy,
says there's going to be no exceptions that policy, and
then he says I talked to Tim Cook.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Oh really should be talking to Well. Then he follows
it up.
Speaker 7 (49:28):
I sing, and all of a sudden, great deal available
for Tim Cook. Tim Cook, who by the way, put
a million that's.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Great deal available for Americans who have to buy iPhone.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
No, it is a great deal for one company. But
how many of the competitors now get hurt? In fact,
I like to know what else goes on in this deal?
Is it that Tim Cook and his interest at protection?
But any of his competitors, I don't know. They get
a higher interest rate? What happens to them?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
All the corruption?
Speaker 6 (49:58):
And on what evidence ares rolling?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
The next clip here as.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
A reminder, So Congress gives the FED the authority. Can
the president terminate not that he said he's going to
do this, but can he terminate Powell's chairmanship? Earlier than
his end in term. No, under no circumstance. No, that's
not a concern for him.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Does it. Well?
Speaker 7 (50:20):
I thought we were talking about legally, Bryan, But this
is a president who has shown himself willing to violate
laws every police he goes, including willing to violate the
Constitution of the United States. So that obviously puts things
a little more in play than we ever would have guessed.
But I really want to make a pitch here for
a second about the importance of Powell staying in his job.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
And it's unusual coming from him. It's very critical of him.
Speaker 7 (50:47):
I have tangled with him on a regular basis about
both regulations and interest rates. But understand this, if Chairman
Pell can be fired by the President of the United States,
it will crash the markets in the United States. The
infrastructure that keeps this stock market strong and therefore a
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big part of our economy strong and therefore a big
part of the world economy strong, is the idea that
the big pieces move independent of the politics, that somebody
is making his there her best decisions economically and independently.
If we understand that if the New York Stock Exchange,
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if interest rates in the United states are subject to
a president who just wants to waive his magic wand
this doesn't distinguish us then from any other two bit
dictatorship around the world.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Ryan go off, Queen Well, I mean, she's right on
that point, but I also kind of understand a populist
argument for why the FED actually should be democratically controlled,
Like this is this is the people's reserve, this is
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the people's monetary policy. Now, I think that there needs
to be a democratic system applied to it, so it's
not because if you just allow the president without any
input from Congress, then he's going to just play games
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with the economy in the you know, leading into every election,
and that that makes a mockery of democracy because like,
if the goal is to have the feder be controlled
by the will of the public, but the will of
the public is manipulated by the president's control of monetary policy,
then then you don't actually have that right.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
You're substituting Jerome Powell for Trump, who's at least democratically
elected but still has what Elizabeth Warren is saying, the
underlying principle he's using. He's invoked emergency powers for these
terror for example, which is actually again in principle, sort
of getst the argument that she's making about the whims
of a principle being able to dictate these like significant
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market changes, which is historically why investments in the United
States were different than investments a lot of other places.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Right, Yeah, we do we like being a global economic
superpower or not? Like do we like?
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (53:22):
You know what? What what all this really shows is
that if we want to keep our position as an
economic superpower, we have to confront massive wealth and income
inequality because it is making us crazy like that, the
it is is driving us like economically insane, and we're
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going to then commit economic suicide, which is what we're
doing now if we don't, if we don't turn if
we don't turn this around, and that that will put
a dent in inequality in the sense that it will
take you know, some of these billionaire's wealth from like,
you know, five hundred billion down to three hundred billion.
But that doesn't change their lives and it doesn't make anybody,
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any of us, feel any better.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
So, in the interest of sharing what we mentioned earlier,
the White Houses, the sort of deals that they're pointing
to here, I just pulled up a press release that
they sent. I think this was from last week, but
you could see they have all of these bullet points.
JSW Steel announced will be adding jobs that it's Ohio
Steel plant. BMW is considering adding shifts to boot production
at South Carolina plant. And I did click through some
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of these last week when I got it, and some
of them predated Liberation Day, so take that for what
it is. But Mark announced it will invest eight billion
in the US for the next several years after opening
a new billion dollar in North Carolina manufacturing. There are
some of these example. There are all of these examples,
some of which are Paris Bagatt and that's the one
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hundred and sixty billion dollars investment, some of which are
bigger than others. But I think, Grian, this is where
I'm coming from. In the sort of long term cost
benefit analys like thirty thousand foot vantage point, you'll look
at all of these and you can put side by
side this a list of that's just as long of
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things that have like negative consequences post Liberation Day. And
so it's just to act as though this is definitively
I think definitively like good. I think the evidence points
that it's I don't want to say it's definitively like
over it's ruined, this isn't do any good. But so
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far I think it seems pretty clear that the bad
through the uncertainty, is outweighing the good.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Right And the question is, well, two questions, like how
many of these announcements are real and how many of
them are just trying to get on Trump's good side
to get exemptions from the future tariff policy, which is
the problem with having just one guy control all the
tariff policy. And the other is how many of these
announcements that are real were impossible otherwise, Like we're We're
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a very big, powerful country with a huge market and
a lot of incentives to offer people. If we wanted
those companies to do what they're doing invest in our
country like that, You know that that was happening, that
it was moving in that direction, and we could keep
doing it, and we and we and we should have
like there there is an industrial policy that uses targeted
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tariffs and subsidies and and other economic incentives to move
in that direction. Just go ahead and do it. Doesn't
mean you have to bankrupt hundreds of thousands of small
businesses along the way.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Uh it's I mean, so now that we're what is
this the third week of Liberation Day, what is your
assessment right of just this last week? Right?
Speaker 3 (56:47):
I mean, the he still seems committed to this like
incorrect understanding of of how he's going to like turn
this thing around. Like he he does not seem seem
to understand that China holds the cards and that the
US does have the capacity to commit economic suicide. And
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he's walking us off that cliff.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
He's well, he obviously maintains he's walking us off.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
To the golden era.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
I was gonna say what he used that what looks
like a cliff is actually a stairway to heaven.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, well it might be.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
It might be that, well, well maybe it'll listen. I'm
I'm not like as convinced that nothing, nothing good at
all will come of this, But I think as time
wears on, there's no industrial policy that's being coupled with us,
no significant industrial policy that's being coupled with this. There
is no certainty on the horizon. It is just indefinite uncertainty,
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not just a week of uncertainty that's used as leverage
just to cure really obviously good deals, and we still
over the course of this week not gotten evidence of
significantly good deals. If seventy seventy five countries are calling
the White House up, and I'm sure some of them
are because we do have China has cards, we obviously
have cards too, because we have a massive market of consumers,
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a huge consumer market. So there's you know, there's a
lot to be negotiated. But I just I mean, obviously
Maloney was here this week. I don't know how much
progress was made, and the EU does want to cut
a deal with us, but I've just haven't seen a
lot of emergent evidence in this last week that those
deals are really significant and being cut.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Right. That's the other thing is that these deals could
be cut without trying to blow up the world like he.
I see all of his defenders talking as if the
only way for the United States to get like Maloney
on the phone is to first blow up the world,
like again, have some self respect. The United States of America,
(58:57):
the most powerful country history of the world. You want
to trade deal with EU, you can do a trade
deal with the EU. You don't have to throw his
appertantrum to get that to get those calls. Like I
see all his defenders saying all his phone is ringing
off the hill. He's the president of the United States.
(59:18):
He can get anybody on the phone he wants. He
didn't need to do this. He has significantly weakened his
own negotiating position.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
I think there's an argument just to.
Speaker 3 (59:26):
Get Maloney on the phone or in the Oval office.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
I think there's an argument that if the uncertainty had
been that dramatic for a week, that is actually significant leverage.
That signals you are, like, this is Donald Trump not
messing around, and he's completely serious about doing what everyone
thinks is crazy. He doesn't think it's crazy. And if
he maintains it for a week, maybe he maintains it
for two weeks, then you know, you signal to people
(59:55):
it's always like foreign policy, like he is not. This
is not him just throwing out different range ideas like
taking Canada. It's not him like joking around about the
fifty first state. This is completely serious. But now we're
just lingering into this ninety day pause period of uncertainty
on the reciprocal tariffs. And it's the water is so
completely muddy, and so if you keep this up long
(01:00:16):
enough that uncertainty means people are going to choose to
invest elsewhere, and it doesn't become its value as leverage
is overtaken by the cost of people needing certainty and
choosing where they can get certainty.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Yeah, And I just don't I just don't think that repeatedly,
like banging yourself over the head with a hammer, is
a way of showing that you're serious. Yeah, that shows
you're a crazy person that is eventually going to knock
yourself out.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Well, I think you could show your crazy person, yeah,
like briefly and then you have to return from the
events to actually.
Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Get to see those just two hammer blows.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yes, all right, thank you guys so much for watching.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
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