April 17, 2025 • 15 mins
It all started with a SHOCKING and mysterious Facebook message... Now, after a full year of trying to track this listener down, we finally have some answers and it might be the most emotional closure call we've ever had to do!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We've been doing the closure calls for a while now,
but today is a first because we reached out to
someone that our listener has never even met before, never
seen in person either.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Why would you need closure for someone who is not
part of your life at all?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
These are good questions that we should ask her, but
they desperately need to get closure on this, and from
the little bit that I do know, it is a
very interesting, very shocking, mysterious story.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Okay, I was thinking, why is our producer picking this person?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Let's ask some of these questions to Marissa and welcome
to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hey Marissa, how's it going?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Hey guys, it's going okay? How are you? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Are you like hitting up like Madonna to ask her
why she's not making music anymore?
Speaker 6 (00:50):
She's actually still making.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Good music. Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, maybe thanks for the We can speculate, but let's
just have Marissa tell us what made you email the
show for help?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Okay, So this is kind of a crazy story. It
kind of blows my mind too. But this this chick
name asked then hit me up okay instant our direct
message okay, and said she had a crazy story for me.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Did she tell you the story right away or was
it one of those like, I don't know, she's setting
you up for a scam or something.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Funny you mentioned that I thought it was a scam
at first because it's so crazy. But she said she
just found out that thirty years ago she was accidentally
swapped at birth for another baby at the hospital and
that baby was me.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Wha what whoa wait, she's claiming, how would she know what?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Ye a swap sisters. I was like, Okay, that sounds really.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Weird, like swap sisters. Dude, it sounds like a show
on TLC.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
She's saying, your parents aren't your parents, that they're her parents. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Crazy, right? So I deleted it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, oh you thought it was a scam questions, No way, dude,
I would think it's a.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
I mean, you can tell if you're related, dear. Well,
I mean if you do a DNA test.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean you can do those tests, and a lot
of people are finding out stuff like like, oh, that's
not really my dad is usually how it goes down. Yeah,
typically you know who your mom is, you know, Yeah,
kind of makes more sense.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
She sent me another message and she's like, this is
not a scam. So I hit up my parents and
I was like, Mom, duy, can you tell me about this?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And they well, that's what happens with swap babies.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
The parents don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That's the big like to do about it, right, It's
like back in the day they'd take the babies into
a room. Now, you're never separated from your baby after
you give birth, really, unless you ask them to take
it away so you can sleep.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So your parents, who raised you, they didn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
They thought it was a scam too, like some elaborate
AI thing.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh my gosh. So wait, did you go to Aspen's page?
Speaker 6 (02:58):
Could you see any resemblance?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, so she sent me some pictures and what's weird
as the photos looked exactly like me of her parents.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Wait what, oh you look like her parents?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah? So I faintly wrote back here and I was like,
how do you know all this information?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And what else can you tell me?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
What else can you tell me? Okay? What she say?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Her last message was something totally mysterious. She thinks her
mom and dad might know about it, but they're so
mad at me for bringing up they won't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh, so she's saying she actually doesn't even know all
the details. She just knows that their family all knows.
It's like some big family secret and they don't want
to Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, I think she might have gotten in trouble for
even reaching out to me.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Oh so the fact that they don't want any information
or hey, drop it like that makes it sound like
it is LEGiT's self asking questions like.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, I guess like if you have an adult child, right,
you've raiseden your whole life and then you just then
find out that they were swapped at birth, It's like, I.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Know you're twenty three, but we're sending.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You back to the office.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Switch.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
What's that saying? Like, you know, not knowing is bliss,
ignorance is ignorances. Maybe that was their stance on it,
But like, how.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Are you feeling?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I'm just kind of freaked out, to be honest, Like,
this is the weirdest thing that I think has ever
happened to me, if it's true.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But oh yeah, and how long has this been going on?
You with the back and forth with this girl?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
This happened four years ago?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Oh four years ago? Wait, you've been sitting on this
for four years.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Did you get DNA tested with your parents?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But I think I found my mom on Facebook, but
she wouldn't respond.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Wait, you're already calling her my mom?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Wow? What should she call her?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Bro?
Speaker 6 (04:47):
The woman?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't know what her name is, but like, no,
you know that one for a fact, and too, like
your mom is still your mom?
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Yeah, I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You've got to be like a whole identity crisis because
of it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And so your biological mom wasn't responding to your messages,
and that's when you reached out to us.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Right, my supposed biological mom that looks like me.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Oh my gosh, is that the case? Wait? Is that
who you wrote with our producer? You wrote the biological
mom with the questions? Right?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
She actually emailed us about a year ago, it turns out,
and our producer has been working on this every single week,
trying to soften up the mom in.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Order to respond.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Marissa, you know that we wouldn't have you on the
show right now if she didn't answer us.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
She finally answered after a year.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, she said stop contacting. We got her responses back
a couple of days ago.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Oh my god, Wait, asthmen, are you sitting down. Are
you in a safe place? Sorry, I mean Marissa.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, okay, maybe you should lie down for this one
because it could get kind of emotional. But we can
help give you some finality when we do your closure
call right after this.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Thank you, so hold on.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Brook and Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
This could be such an emotional closure call. I think
we need to have some sad piano music for it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
No, wait, no.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I said, I said sad piano, not bad piano.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
I see the mix up.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
This is why I have to listen to the music
ahead of time. Stop this. Yeah, let me let me
get some sad piano music.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
This is not.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It's kind of impressive, but it doesn't fit. The tone
does bring the music down?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
No, no, no, no, it's sad like emotional music.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Okay, it's not. I know.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
I want to go back to the happy one.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
We're talking about swapped at birth because it just doesn't
feel right.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Frustration. You're frustrated at the music, Yeah I'm not, but.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Swapped at birth this is something that you don't hear
about much anymore, thankfully, because the hospitals are better not
doing it but thirty years ago.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Or they're better at hiding it.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, maybe that's the case. Thirty years ago, though it
did happen to one of our listeners, Marissa No. You
got a random message on her socials from a girl
named Aspen claiming to be her swap sister, saying they
were accidentally swapped at the hospital and they've been raised
by each other's parents for years, which.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
By the way, I wouldn't google search the term swap sister.
I just think that you're gonna end up Sah, you
don't want to see.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It's not an official term. Aspen came up with it.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But the thing is, the details about it were a
little bit sketchy and there was some hesitation to answer everything.
That's why a year ago Marissa reached out to us,
asking if we could contact her biological mom for her
and hopefully get her some closure on what really happened.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I usually if you hit us.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Up a year in advance, we don't get to it
just because we're lazy.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Been working on this a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, we're running out of time thanks to all the
bad piano music, so we better just get to it.
We sent four questions to Marissa's mom, Marissa, are.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You ready to hear some answers?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
To this.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I know you've been waiting a long time.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, yes, what musical track do you want him to
play behind it when he reads it? What important your
tears in the back round?
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Can you start crying? I'm joking. I'm joking, Marissa.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I mean this is crazy because I mean you're going
to finally, no, hopefully you're going to hear from the mom.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean this has been a time coming
just seeing some of these answers I've been looking for.
You know, it's just been such a mystery.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Let's get to the first one, and this is going
to be the first time I've read the answers to
I was just handed the sheet with what she.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Wrote back, you needed to preread them, Jeff, so that
you were crying. Pro went through all this. I'm sure
I needed to focus on the piano music.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You focus harder so it would have gone better.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
But sure, question one, we said your daughter Aspen reached
out to me years ago telling me you were my
real biological mom. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Is this true? So she wrote back, Oh.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
My gosh, are you ready for this?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Okay, because if you said no, we would have had
to stop the segment, and that would have been really annoying,
but she wrote back, it is true, but Aspen didn't
reach out to you.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I did.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
I need to call Wait, I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm confused.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
So she faked?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
She says, I made up a fake Facebook account for
her because I was too ashamed to speak directly to you.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
So is Aspen the girl that you were really swapped?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, Mearissa?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Are you okay?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Do you have all the answers you need or would
you like to content?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Hey? Check on her? She sounds upset.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Okay, No, it's it's just shocking. It's amazing and shocking.
And I can't thank you guys enough for reaching out
to her and helping me.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But I mean it's not Wait, so you just leave
her straight out the gate, like this is a woman
who's faking to be Aspen.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah. I mean, I really don't know what to believe.
I'm I'm really curious to know what she says next.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You almost wanted to be real.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Well, let's get to the second question, which was tell
me what you know about me getting swapped at birth?
How did you find out about that? She wrote back, Well, honestly,
when I reached out four years ago, I made it up?
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Oh what wait, she says, who is she?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Then? I knew I wanted to speak with you, but
I didn't know how to do it without making it
seem like I was a terrible parent, because the truth
is I gave you up for adoption at birth.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Oh the question, she said, I'm sorry again?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Whoa?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
So she still is your mom, but it wasn't a.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Swap again, so she was ashamed to admit the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did you know you were adopted by your by your mom, your.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Par Maybe the parents didn't know that they adopted her.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
No, definitely could be in the dark, but the mom
would be pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeff.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But why would your parents not come clean with you
when you approach them about being swapped at birth? They
would know you were like gonna finding out.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I don't know. I think it was just too much
for them, you know, and then just to mention it.
Fuck thing.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We're getting a lot of text in at seventy five
nine to two from listeners who are supporting you, by
the way, Marisa, so.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Keep those coming.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
We're going to forward those to her after the segment
so that she could read them all. But this is
already going way different than we thought this call was
going to be so I don't know if the third
question is going to be relevant still, because again we
write all the questions before we know the answers. But
the third question was, how do I know this is
really my biological mom? My parents who raised me are
(11:47):
both shocked and know nothing about it. Do you have
any proof?
Speaker 6 (11:50):
That's still a valid question, I mean valid questions.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Still we're talking right to like what if this is
still someone who's I mean, she already lied about you know,
the whole story.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Uh what did she say?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
She wrote back, there are birth records that I had you,
and we both have the same color blonde hair as
I've shown you in the pictures I sent. I'm not
sure I'm ready for a DNA test, but it would also.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Prove it as well.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Huh, I'm sorry, lady. She keeps saying I'm sorry at
the end of every answer, so she clearly feels pretty bad.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
But she shouldn't feel bad.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You have a great life, like I mean, if she
couldn't provide you with what you needed as a child.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I don't understand. So that means my parents are lying
or something, or she's lying.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean, somebody is not telling the truth in this situation,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Maybe trying to protect you. One party is trying to
protect you from something. But let's go to the fourth
question because we are running out of time here. It says,
is there anything else that I should know about what happened?
We like to leave it kind of open in general
for them to fill in the blanks.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, thank god we did, since we didn't know what
the hell was going on?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Was taking a turn. But your mom wrote back.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
She said, there is obviously a lot to tell you,
but I'm sure you're angry at me about how I
handled it. I am getting older, though, and I just
wanted to have a chance to get to meet my
daughter and know you, She says. I don't expect you
to forgive me, but I would love to meet up
with you in person if you're willing.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I guess I just needs some time to think about it.
I mean, I'm curious too, but I have so many
unanswered questions at this moment, even for my parents to
raise me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know, I know it feels like you have a
lot to deal with before you even think about meeting
up with this woman who claims to be your biological mom.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Yeah, like who's your dad? Then too? Like there's so
many up.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But this is a woman who, like we've tried to
reach out to on Facebook, and is clearly used to lying.
We don't know if any of this is actually true,
so I wouldn't necessarily come in with guns of blazing.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I totally agree. I would come in super guarded. I mean,
like I said, somebody's lying to you, my instinct would
be this woman because you don't even know her. You know,
you would trust your parents more.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You need to bring your current parents with the biological
mom and have them meet and maybe something will be
comfort What does your birth certificate say?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I don't know. I haven't really got it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Go get it. We'll wait. Maybe you come back with
it later. But I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know this is a lot of information that was
just tossed on you. Will give you some time to process.
But do you feel like maybe it helped get you
a step towards closure?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I feeling a lot more questions, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I was thinking opens everything up, doesn't
close anything.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We'll stay in touch with you and hopefully we can
do a closure call update and figure out what's really
going on if you do meet up with your biological mom,
if she is your biological mom.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, okay, thank you guys.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
All right, I just want to give you a hug
right now.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Give me some happy piano music to play us out please.
Okay it's kind of tense. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That was a that's dramatic, successful closure, successful at all.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
All right, well it was a closure call, yeah, with
zero closure.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's Brook and Jeffrey the other one in the morning.
That's what you get when you email us for help.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Brooken Jeffrey in the morning.
We've been doing the closure calls for a while now,
but today is a first because we reached out to
someone that our listener has never even met before, never
seen in person either.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Why would you need closure for someone who is not
part of your life at all?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
These are good questions that we should ask her, but
they desperately need to get closure on this, and from
the little bit that I do know, it is a
very interesting, very shocking, mysterious story.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Okay, I was thinking, why is our producer picking this person?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Let's ask some of these questions to Marissa and welcome
to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hey Marissa, how's it going?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Hey guys, it's going okay? How are you? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Are you like hitting up like Madonna to ask her
why she's not making music anymore?
Speaker 6 (00:50):
She's actually still making.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Good music. Thank you?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, maybe thanks for the We can speculate, but let's
just have Marissa tell us what made you email the
show for help?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Okay, So this is kind of a crazy story. It
kind of blows my mind too. But this this chick
name asked then hit me up okay instant our direct
message okay, and said she had a crazy story for me.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Did she tell you the story right away or was
it one of those like, I don't know, she's setting
you up for a scam or something.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Funny you mentioned that I thought it was a scam
at first because it's so crazy. But she said she
just found out that thirty years ago she was accidentally
swapped at birth for another baby at the hospital and
that baby was me.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Wha what whoa wait, she's claiming, how would she know what?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Ye a swap sisters. I was like, Okay, that sounds really.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Weird, like swap sisters. Dude, it sounds like a show
on TLC.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
She's saying, your parents aren't your parents, that they're her parents. Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Crazy, right? So I deleted it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, oh you thought it was a scam questions, No way, dude,
I would think it's a.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
I mean, you can tell if you're related, dear. Well,
I mean if you do a DNA test.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I mean you can do those tests, and a lot
of people are finding out stuff like like, oh, that's
not really my dad is usually how it goes down. Yeah,
typically you know who your mom is, you know, Yeah,
kind of makes more sense.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
She sent me another message and she's like, this is
not a scam. So I hit up my parents and
I was like, Mom, duy, can you tell me about this?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And they well, that's what happens with swap babies.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
The parents don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That's the big like to do about it, right, It's
like back in the day they'd take the babies into
a room. Now, you're never separated from your baby after
you give birth, really, unless you ask them to take
it away so you can sleep.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So your parents, who raised you, they didn't believe it.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
They thought it was a scam too, like some elaborate
AI thing.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh my gosh. So wait, did you go to Aspen's page?
Speaker 6 (02:58):
Could you see any resemblance?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, so she sent me some pictures and what's weird
as the photos looked exactly like me of her parents.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Wait what, oh you look like her parents?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah? So I faintly wrote back here and I was like,
how do you know all this information?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
And what else can you tell me?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
What else can you tell me? Okay? What she say?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Her last message was something totally mysterious. She thinks her
mom and dad might know about it, but they're so
mad at me for bringing up they won't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh, so she's saying she actually doesn't even know all
the details. She just knows that their family all knows.
It's like some big family secret and they don't want
to Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, I think she might have gotten in trouble for
even reaching out to me.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Oh so the fact that they don't want any information
or hey, drop it like that makes it sound like
it is LEGiT's self asking questions like.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, I guess like if you have an adult child, right,
you've raiseden your whole life and then you just then
find out that they were swapped at birth, It's like, I.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Know you're twenty three, but we're sending.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You back to the office.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
Switch.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
What's that saying? Like, you know, not knowing is bliss,
ignorance is ignorances. Maybe that was their stance on it,
But like, how.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Are you feeling?
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I'm just kind of freaked out, to be honest, Like,
this is the weirdest thing that I think has ever
happened to me, if it's true.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But oh yeah, and how long has this been going on?
You with the back and forth with this girl?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
This happened four years ago?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Oh four years ago? Wait, you've been sitting on this
for four years.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Did you get DNA tested with your parents?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
But I think I found my mom on Facebook, but
she wouldn't respond.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Wait, you're already calling her my mom?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Wow? What should she call her?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Bro?
Speaker 6 (04:47):
The woman?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't know what her name is, but like, no,
you know that one for a fact, and too, like
your mom is still your mom?
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Yeah, I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You've got to be like a whole identity crisis because
of it.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And so your biological mom wasn't responding to your messages,
and that's when you reached out to us.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Right, my supposed biological mom that looks like me.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Oh my gosh, is that the case? Wait? Is that
who you wrote with our producer? You wrote the biological
mom with the questions? Right?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
She actually emailed us about a year ago, it turns out,
and our producer has been working on this every single week,
trying to soften up the mom in.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Order to respond.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Marissa, you know that we wouldn't have you on the
show right now if she didn't answer us.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
She finally answered after a year.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, she said stop contacting. We got her responses back
a couple of days ago.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Oh my god, Wait, asthmen, are you sitting down. Are
you in a safe place? Sorry, I mean Marissa.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, okay, maybe you should lie down for this one
because it could get kind of emotional. But we can
help give you some finality when we do your closure
call right after this.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Thank you, so hold on.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Brook and Jeffrey in the morning.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
This could be such an emotional closure call. I think
we need to have some sad piano music for it.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
No, wait, no.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I said, I said sad piano, not bad piano.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
I see the mix up.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
This is why I have to listen to the music
ahead of time. Stop this. Yeah, let me let me
get some sad piano music.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
This is not.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It's kind of impressive, but it doesn't fit. The tone
does bring the music down?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
No, no, no, no, it's sad like emotional music.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Okay, it's not. I know.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
I want to go back to the happy one.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
We're talking about swapped at birth because it just doesn't
feel right.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Frustration. You're frustrated at the music, Yeah I'm not, but.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Swapped at birth this is something that you don't hear
about much anymore, thankfully, because the hospitals are better not
doing it but thirty years ago.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Or they're better at hiding it.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, maybe that's the case. Thirty years ago, though it
did happen to one of our listeners, Marissa No. You
got a random message on her socials from a girl
named Aspen claiming to be her swap sister, saying they
were accidentally swapped at the hospital and they've been raised
by each other's parents for years, which.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
By the way, I wouldn't google search the term swap sister.
I just think that you're gonna end up Sah, you
don't want to see.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It's not an official term. Aspen came up with it.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
But the thing is, the details about it were a
little bit sketchy and there was some hesitation to answer everything.
That's why a year ago Marissa reached out to us,
asking if we could contact her biological mom for her
and hopefully get her some closure on what really happened.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I usually if you hit us.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Up a year in advance, we don't get to it
just because we're lazy.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Been working on this a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, we're running out of time thanks to all the
bad piano music, so we better just get to it.
We sent four questions to Marissa's mom, Marissa, are.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You ready to hear some answers?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
To this.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I know you've been waiting a long time.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, yes, what musical track do you want him to
play behind it when he reads it? What important your
tears in the back round?
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Can you start crying? I'm joking. I'm joking, Marissa.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I mean this is crazy because I mean you're going
to finally, no, hopefully you're going to hear from the mom.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean this has been a time coming
just seeing some of these answers I've been looking for.
You know, it's just been such a mystery.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Let's get to the first one, and this is going
to be the first time I've read the answers to
I was just handed the sheet with what she.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Wrote back, you needed to preread them, Jeff, so that
you were crying. Pro went through all this. I'm sure
I needed to focus on the piano music.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You focus harder so it would have gone better.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
But sure, question one, we said your daughter Aspen reached
out to me years ago telling me you were my
real biological mom. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Is this true? So she wrote back, Oh.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
My gosh, are you ready for this?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Okay, because if you said no, we would have had
to stop the segment, and that would have been really annoying,
but she wrote back, it is true, but Aspen didn't
reach out to you.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I did.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
I need to call Wait, I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm confused.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
So she faked?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
She says, I made up a fake Facebook account for
her because I was too ashamed to speak directly to you.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
So is Aspen the girl that you were really swapped?
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, Mearissa?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Are you okay?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Do you have all the answers you need or would
you like to content?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Hey? Check on her? She sounds upset.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Okay, No, it's it's just shocking. It's amazing and shocking.
And I can't thank you guys enough for reaching out
to her and helping me.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But I mean it's not Wait, so you just leave
her straight out the gate, like this is a woman
who's faking to be Aspen.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah. I mean, I really don't know what to believe.
I'm I'm really curious to know what she says next.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You almost wanted to be real.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Well, let's get to the second question, which was tell
me what you know about me getting swapped at birth?
How did you find out about that? She wrote back, Well, honestly,
when I reached out four years ago, I made it up?
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Oh what wait, she says, who is she?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Then? I knew I wanted to speak with you, but
I didn't know how to do it without making it
seem like I was a terrible parent, because the truth
is I gave you up for adoption at birth.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Oh the question, she said, I'm sorry again?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Whoa?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
So she still is your mom, but it wasn't a.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Swap again, so she was ashamed to admit the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did you know you were adopted by your by your mom, your.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Par Maybe the parents didn't know that they adopted her.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
No, definitely could be in the dark, but the mom
would be pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeff.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But why would your parents not come clean with you
when you approach them about being swapped at birth? They
would know you were like gonna finding out.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I don't know. I think it was just too much
for them, you know, and then just to mention it.
Fuck thing.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We're getting a lot of text in at seventy five
nine to two from listeners who are supporting you, by
the way, Marisa, so.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Keep those coming.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
We're going to forward those to her after the segment
so that she could read them all. But this is
already going way different than we thought this call was
going to be so I don't know if the third
question is going to be relevant still, because again we
write all the questions before we know the answers. But
the third question was, how do I know this is
really my biological mom? My parents who raised me are
(11:47):
both shocked and know nothing about it. Do you have
any proof?
Speaker 6 (11:50):
That's still a valid question, I mean valid questions.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Still we're talking right to like what if this is
still someone who's I mean, she already lied about you know,
the whole story.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Uh what did she say?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
She wrote back, there are birth records that I had you,
and we both have the same color blonde hair as
I've shown you in the pictures I sent. I'm not
sure I'm ready for a DNA test, but it would also.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Prove it as well.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Huh, I'm sorry, lady. She keeps saying I'm sorry at
the end of every answer, so she clearly feels pretty bad.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
But she shouldn't feel bad.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You have a great life, like I mean, if she
couldn't provide you with what you needed as a child.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I don't understand. So that means my parents are lying
or something, or she's lying.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean, somebody is not telling the truth in this situation,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Maybe trying to protect you. One party is trying to
protect you from something. But let's go to the fourth
question because we are running out of time here. It says,
is there anything else that I should know about what happened?
We like to leave it kind of open in general
for them to fill in the blanks.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, thank god we did, since we didn't know what
the hell was going on?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Was taking a turn. But your mom wrote back.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
She said, there is obviously a lot to tell you,
but I'm sure you're angry at me about how I
handled it. I am getting older, though, and I just
wanted to have a chance to get to meet my
daughter and know you, She says. I don't expect you
to forgive me, but I would love to meet up
with you in person if you're willing.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I guess I just needs some time to think about it.
I mean, I'm curious too, but I have so many
unanswered questions at this moment, even for my parents to
raise me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
You know, I know it feels like you have a
lot to deal with before you even think about meeting
up with this woman who claims to be your biological mom.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Yeah, like who's your dad? Then too? Like there's so
many up.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But this is a woman who, like we've tried to
reach out to on Facebook, and is clearly used to lying.
We don't know if any of this is actually true,
so I wouldn't necessarily come in with guns of blazing.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I totally agree. I would come in super guarded. I mean,
like I said, somebody's lying to you, my instinct would
be this woman because you don't even know her. You know,
you would trust your parents more.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You need to bring your current parents with the biological
mom and have them meet and maybe something will be
comfort What does your birth certificate say?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
I don't know. I haven't really got it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Go get it. We'll wait. Maybe you come back with
it later. But I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know this is a lot of information that was
just tossed on you. Will give you some time to process.
But do you feel like maybe it helped get you
a step towards closure?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I feeling a lot more questions, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I was thinking opens everything up, doesn't
close anything.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
We'll stay in touch with you and hopefully we can
do a closure call update and figure out what's really
going on if you do meet up with your biological mom,
if she is your biological mom.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, okay, thank you guys.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
All right, I just want to give you a hug
right now.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Give me some happy piano music to play us out please.
Okay it's kind of tense. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
That was a that's dramatic, successful closure, successful at all.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
All right, well it was a closure call, yeah, with
zero closure.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's Brook and Jeffrey the other one in the morning.
That's what you get when you email us for help.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Brooken Jeffrey in the morning.
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