Call It Botox, Threads and Fillers…Oh My!

Camilla becomes a full-blown fangirl over today’s guest, Vanessa Lee RN!

Vanessa gives a blunt answer as to what work she’s recommending Camilla get done while Jess gets the lowdown on beauty must haves.

They also find out what Vanessa really thinks about “baby botox” and Lindsay Lohan’s recent glow-up.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
It Crew, and welcome to another episode of Call It
What It Is.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
It is.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Okay, this person.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
We're both very excited about this.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
We're so excited.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
She was on my original list of guests when we
first started the podcast. Because I'm so obsessed with her,
I've been stalking her on social media, watching every video ever.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Her name is Vanessa Lee m hmm.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
And she is the owner of the beauty concept bar
The Things we Do here in Los Angeles, and she
is a world renowned medical esthetic provider. She is incredible.
And the reason I know about her is because when
my Glam team we're over here, we've talked about the
The Glam team know all the things. A couple of

(01:02):
years ago, I was like, tell me who everyone loves?
Who is it that everyone goes to? Who do they love?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
And they were like, Vanessaly the Things we do?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
So I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I can't And honestly, I haven't been to see her
for anything. I just watch her videos. That's not me
saying like, you know, I'm so good, because I totally
believe in whatever you want to do do And I'm
going to ask her all the questions about my own face.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, I say, can we get a little consultation?

Speaker 4 (01:24):
No, this is All'm gonna use this as an what
do I do?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
An active consultation? Tell me what it is that I need? Well,
hold on, I'm gonna start with this as like a mindset.
I actually really do think this is important to say.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Anyone needs anything.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
No, I think that there are I hear people talk
about the things that bother them just about like I
don't know that started when you were teeny tiny and
you had your first idea about what you saw when
you looked in the mirror. And we all have and
we all know those friends that are like I don't
like this, and you're like you're crazy, right, and not
what you should say, but that's how you feel, right,

(01:59):
You're like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Even I kind of see that.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
So I think that this relationship that we have with
you know, these kinds of you know, medical aesthetic providers,
is like I think it's really important to go into
it saying like this is what I see.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I know, I don't need anything.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
I am perfect as I am, but or and yeah,
here is the thing I see and how could we
what would you suggest that we do about that? I
just want to highlight that I really do, I really
do think that we don't need this, but I do
think we live in a culture that is gets very
excited about its possibilities.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, listen, I one hundred percent agree with you. And
there was a long time when I have was feeling
like I'm never gonna do anything because I just like,
I'm gonna be fine.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I'm gonna be one of these people that you like.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And I, at forty one, see the first signs of
like aging because I've had a baby face, so I've
been very lucky.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
But now I see it and I'm like, oh no, oh.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
No, I'm not going down without a fight doing all
the things. But the truth is, though, is that like
I really, I have not there's no filler in my base.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
I don't even know if I need it.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm already around you, but I don't know a lot
about it. So I'm going into this trying to educate
myself too, as well as anyone listening that has a
sound no me too.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Me too, me too? Okay, I want to hear all
the things.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yes, geek allies.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (03:23):
I'm so so excited.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
So before you Vanessa, welcome to call it what it is,
but I have to tell you your intro was this. I
had my glam team over a couple of years ago
and I said, who does everyone?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Whose are the people to ask? By the way, sorry,
I think it's important to say this. So the glam
team says, your hair and your makeup, because they're not
just doing your hair and makeup.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
They're all around town doing all the people's hair and makeup.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
So they're with people that you likely know or have
seen many different versions of and everyone's journey this kind
of thing is very specific and unique to them.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
And so okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
So I said, who is the person? Yeah, I said,
there's someone. There's someone in the city that's doing that's
doing the best work. Who is it? And they said you.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So I've been stalking you on social media for like
two years. Yes, I imagine what I might need might
not need.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I mean, actually we just talked about this. We don't
need anything what you might.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Suggest, Yeah, yeah, you don't need a thing.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I agree. And also the hairstylists of I think the
Los Angeles entertainment industry. Hairstylists and makeup artists are the
best walking billboards. They have the biggest mouths possible in
the best way possible. It's so thankful, but.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
It's so cool. They talk about this a lot. We
talk about this a lot. It's where you go get
all the good gossip.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
And by the way, you give none unless you're ready
for it to keep going like it. Put it on
a train and you don't know where that train's going.
But I think that they do. They know all, and
they've and they I've seen it from all different angles,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, and I trust them. I was going to ask
her to tell us the story of how she got started.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, the year was two thousand and eight. I just
graduated nursing school. I was forced into nursing school by
my sweet Filipino mother. By the way, I wanted to
originally be a writer. And first year in college I
was doing communications and she was like, no way, I
didn't come to this country, so you can be doing
She called it arting, so you can be in the arts.
She's like, no art thing, art thing. I came a

(05:27):
medical field. Now, okay, Okay, there's like I'm an only child,
so there was a lot of pressure and I was like,
you know what, I'll just do this to like please
parents and then I'll do my writing stuff. Anyways, I've
always loved the arts. I've always painted. I've always been
like a more creative side of you know that brain.
During nursing school, I realized that, like you know, there
are softer there's a softer side of medicine. There is

(05:50):
the plastic surgery side also that is more artistic, and
there's a less invasive side of the plastics that I
should probably explore. And I remember my last semester nursing school,
my preceptor was like, so what are you going to
do after this? What a floor are you hoping to
work on? And I was like, I plan on being
a botox nurse and they were like what the hell.

(06:11):
And my callings were like, you know, we're going to er,
We're going to neurosurgery, We're going to all of these things.
And I was like, I'm hoping to work in a
smaller wing of a plastic surgery office that will hopefully
allow me to do some lasers and botox injections. And
I still worked in the er, still worked in neurosurgery,
but part time I was always doing esthetics, and after

(06:32):
year two and a half three of doing both, I
was like, you know what, I really love bonding with
women and following them through the refreshing, you know, the rejuvenating,
the helping people feel confident in the own skin again.
Now I've been in the industry for sixteen years, but
six years ago I opened up my own practice, which

(06:53):
now we have five locations. It's called The Things We Do.
And at year ten, I realized there is a huge
miss in our industry. I feel like we really were
missing the heart in that side of medicine because I
was working with these prominent plastic surgeons and dermatologists and
still at the end of the day, I felt like
I was just being taught to upsell and upsell and

(07:17):
on people's imperfections and insecurities, and I was like, this
is not what I want to do. This is not
I always was like the black sheep at offices because
I would constantly say no to patients.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I was going to ask one of my questions.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, the doctors. I still say no all the time,
and I feel like that's why I became a bit
of a enigma in our industry, like the quiet whispers
of like you know, oh it's Vanessa. I really don't
care if patients talk about us or not on socials
or like our celebrity patients, if they mentioned us or not,
Like it doesn't hurt me when somebody says, you know,

(07:55):
alive oil or something whatever. I don't care about that stuff,
you know. But I think I got to this point
because we're just really honest about things, and we're here
to just guide you through a process if you're open
to it. I'm just going to give you your best and
your safest options, and so will the rest of my team,
and if something doesn't serve you, then we pivot.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I've been seeing this, this whole.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Your vibe, everything you've been doing for years now, and
I just this is exactly why I love you.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
And we have a ton of questions for you. Okay,
I'm ready, ready, Okay, jess Well.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
I kind of want to start with the starting point
because I'm curious if it really is specific to the
person when people come in, what are they, how old
are they coming in at, and what are they talking about?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
First?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Sure, so, Jessica that's such a great question, and I
think the answer is not cookie cutter as far as
like where someone starts off. I will say that every
single person who comes in across all of our locations,
we are are highly highly trained to make sure that
we have a very specific consultation and initial assessment process.

(09:07):
I think what we're lacking as far as like a
society is getting to know ourselves more and what I
need instead of seeing what this great influencer is doing
for herself and just everything that she's suggesting. It's like
the whole analysis thing is really taking off because we're
finally realizing it's whatever this person is doing is not

(09:28):
going to serve everyone, Like, we have to figure ourselves out.
So what we're really strong with at the things we
do is the initial assessment or like the facial balancing analysis.
So if you guys have heard of facial balancing before,
I am the creator of that term within our industry.
I created it back in twenty seventeen. I've got the trademark.
It's like a whole thing, But what that consists of

(09:48):
and what our true training is is looking at the
different thirds of the face, which third of the face
stands out more, which third of the face seems a
little left behind and shadowed? How can we balance the
thirds of the face.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
All I want to know is both of those things
about my own face. Okay, look, okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Can you do it?

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Now?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
How do you?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
How do you?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
So?

Speaker 4 (10:07):
How do you do this analysis?

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Are you just looking at someone's face doing it and
they're looking in a mirror?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Or is there is there another way to do it?
You're just doing that?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
So we're looking at the patient, We're walking them through
what we're seeing in the mirror, and a lot of
times patients will just start like pointing things out to us,
and we have a very gentle nonverbal cue of like
you know, just a little, I hear you. And we're
going to get to all of those things. But let's
take a look at features. Let's take a look at
features that maybe don't stand out as much. So then
from there we look at the right side to left

(10:36):
side of the face, so oh wow, yeah, and then
we look at your stronger side. And in Eastern medicine,
I'm a certified face reader and Chinese traditional medicine. In
Eastern medicine, your right side is your maternal side. Or
the side do you associate with your mother the relationship,
and the left side is more so your father's side.
Your right side is who you present to the world

(10:58):
and it represents your personality to world, and your left
side is who you really are on the inside, out
of the public eye.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
You're really Martin Leunnington. Yeah, her father's name is Martin Lettington. Yeah,
left side is.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
No, my left side is not Martin Lunnington. Watch it, Jess.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
When you're saying this, are you saying that you can
see people's features? It almost manifesting in that way too,
Is there more like a yes?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I will ask patients once I get to know them
a little bit more, tell me about your your relationship
with your mom, tell me about your dad, and like
you know, say, I'll pick up different things in the
face that tell me about their like life path and
their journey and their habits and their all of that stuff.
And most of the time, when I end up picking
up on some of these clues, it tends to follow

(11:59):
through with my finding. So that's been a really fascinating
part of the usual balancing you assessment. So besides right
to left side, I also look at your habits. So
if somebody has a much stronger massiter on one side
versus the other, and that side of the face is
more tone, I usually can pick up that's the side

(12:19):
that they prefer to chew on. So maybe there were
some dental issues on the pass on the last side
and on the other side, and there's like less toning
of that cheek and that jawline. I also look at
the side that has the lower brow, So the side
that has the lower brow is typically the side in
motion that picks up a lot higher. So then I
have to think about botox wise, I have to address
that side of the forehead differently because her strength is

(12:40):
on that side and it tends to that's the side
that someone sleeps on as well. So I can look
at the necklines and see how you sleep. What you're
positioning is. You can tell so much by looking at
someone's face and just picking up on these like tiny nuances.
And then we'll look at the harmony of the features.
So if you have smaller birdy features that are closer
towards the center of the face, but you have a

(13:00):
larger face shape and more surface area, we look towards
how can we kind of use the larger surface areas,
or utilize the fullness in the face to match more
of the harmony of the centralized features. Or if you
have these really large, more stronger characteristics of the face,
but you don't have the surface area to carry it,
and your features seem overwhelming, how can I add towards

(13:21):
the lower third of the face so that things seem
more balance. So we also look at face shapes. There's
five plastic face shapes, and each face shape ages in
very hallmark ways. So rounds you and me, Camilla rounds.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
I you consider yourself a round, ye, I'm around, I'm around.
I'm actually a rounded square kind of you're a.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Heart square classic I have hearts. Your heart square and
Camila are round. You're just like me. So hearts over
time tend to deal with more under eye issues, and
then the chin can be a little bit pointy. Heart
squares because you can have combination shapes heart squares to
not deal with gowls as much. It's more so mid

(14:03):
face tissue collecting towards the center of the face. Rounds
always deal with heavy jowls, is what the complaints of
and they always fire more angles in the face and
face is the more angle, like to be a little
bit more rounded out, so the grass is always greener.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I wonder if you're over for anyone listening that's like
an oval shape face, what do they deal with with aging?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Often oval faces tend they tend to complain of less
dimension in the face. They feel like they're very one dimensional.
So the desire is to have more cheekbones. So usually
when we are dealing with cheekbones, we try to talk
people off a ledge and we're like less cheek less,
cheek less cheek that's like really a way of doing.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
It because people want to put filler in it.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yes, and people with high cheek bones think, oh, the
aging is coming from the cheek bones. I want to
replace that, when really it's not volume that they need.
It's structure and strengthening the scaffolding of the skin, and
it's a stimulator that they need instead, it's not fillers.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
It's awesome. By the way, I think it's true.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
I don't think I'm saying something new that there's a
real math to beauty. There's a real like I mean,
we can use words like balance or symmetry or whatever,
but there's angles, but there's a real beauty is balanced, right.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yes, And there's ratios that plastic surgeons often talk about,
and there's certain measurements to those ratios that they'll literally
will put in like a simulation of your photos, Like
they'll show you if we put this like specific algorithm
of measurements on you, how you can become. It's kind
of gross to say, but I've heard of plastic surgeons
say it, how you can become a ten out of

(15:33):
ten instead of an eight out of ten, And that
really is dangerous to me.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
I think, yeah, well, also, what's the ten that we're
moving towards.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah, it's his ten, what's my my? Yeah, my ten
might be different to your ten.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
But also I.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Find that I mean again, I mean we're I think
we're probably going to be all over the place. The
one thing I have noticed is that the more things
that people are rumored to have had done, the more
I actually don't know. I cannot deciphe further age. Like
it's it's like there are twenty two year olds that
to me, I would be like, oh, I should probably
in an early thirties because but I would say, like
the forty year old that's getting the same treatments is

(16:08):
like i'd say, oh, yeah, she's in her early thirties,
but it's like everybody's moving towards a median age or
something like that, because the look is all the same.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, I understand. Here's how I feel about that.
Right now. I think we're in an age of everything's confusing.
You're right. You know, there's these people on TikTok who
are like, you, guys, guess my age, and then like
they're being ripped up in the comments because they're way
older than they actually are. And it's because, you know,
there's all these hacks of like how to look perfect
by the age of like nineteen, like looks maxing. You know,

(16:38):
I don't know if you guys have heard about this where.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
It's like, oh what is that?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Oh my god, it's it's a new thing. So you
send in your photo to this random TikTok account, by
the way, that seems strange to me to begin and
then you say, look, look max me and you end
up getting like a whole AI makeover picture back and
they post it and then it tells you how to
get there. It get talks here, get a chemical peel
cut your hair like this. This is what fits you best,

(17:05):
and then before and afters really are kind of irrefutably,
I mean impressive. And some of these people are doing
this because people are trying to figure out, like, what
is it like? Can you just tell me? And I
think we need to figure out for ourselves what really
is that ten right? Personally, when I'm explaining these things
to patients of what would benefit them, I'm going off

(17:25):
of what your god given features are. So I want
you to look like a different person or somebody else.
I want you to look like when you were that
Facebook photo you've been holding on to for the past
ten years, that you haven't changed that favorite Facebook yours
before the divorce, or before grad school, or before whatever
stressful thing you went through. I want you to feel
like you're getting yourself back, like your best version of yourself.

(17:48):
And I know that people say that all the time,
but I tell people, if we can get you to
a point where your favorite features are coming back to you,
because that's the beginning of our consultation, is what's your
favorite feature? It's the first question I asked. I like that, Yeah,
so we asked what's your favorite feature? And immediately patients
either start crying there's like three things that happen. People
either start crying because they don't think about themselves in

(18:12):
those terms, and they're not ready to talk about those things.
When they come in to see us, they're ready to
talk about everything. They want to change. The other reply
that we get is well, I kind of and this
is mainly from men. I like everything. I just want
a refresher, which is happy.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Good job man, Listen, I'm jealous.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I always happy to hear everything.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
You can learn a thing or two right from that reply.
The other thing is, well, my favorite feature used to
be this, but the last like five years, I feel
like I've really lost the twinkle in my eye. I've
lost my eye lost, you know, the thing about what
I really love about my smile has now changed because
there's some distracting shadows or like lines or this fullness

(18:55):
of shifting. I don't know what it is, but my
favorite feature used to be my smile. We're able to
replace that for you or give it back to you
and just kind of return to that favorite thing that
is the driving factor. And then we talk about like
deep assessment and going into like the symmetry shape and
all of that stuff. But the most important thing, and

(19:16):
I think what brings us to that ten is when
we feel the most comfortable in our own skin.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
Again, Yes, So for people who might not be able
to see you, basically rewind like five minutes and listen
to everything she'd have said, so that you can synthesize
for yourself what those questions might be for whoever you
get to go see, and make.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Sure that that person checks those boxes and passes muster
because there's a lot of times I think that people
don't I hear so many times. By the way, what
does it say about me that people call me all
the time or this kind of advice?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Oh, I'm just realizing this as I'm saying it.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Anyways, I think that you know you, how do you
find you know someone that you're going to trust? And
I think that's really important, and to make sure that
you actually have a good feeling and that you've asked
all the questions.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yes, yeah, because otherwise you get the yeah craziness.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Vanessa.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I'm just going to share things that I've noticed about
myself as I'm aging that maybe other people can relate to,
and then what I've heard is not the right thing
to do or horror horror stories out about and just
want to know sort of how you would treat certain things.
So I've noticed as I've aged, I don't have toffee.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Under I have the opposite. I have like a hollowing.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
And then I've heard that like, okay, so filler is
something that's good for that. And then I've heard horror
stories about like no, do not do filler under your eye.
It can be placed wrong. You should place it this
way and if you don't, or a different way. So
how would you how is that? I feel like a
lot of people are not sleeping. It's twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
How would you treat that hollowness?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
So, first of all, that is a very hallmark sign
of a circle, because the fat shifting in the upper
cheek to the lower cheek and in the lower face
is something that's common over time. Even if it's not shifting,
the fat pocket itself is starting to shrink, so we
don't have this fullness that's kind of everywhere in the
top of the cheese.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
So this is a round the situations, it's a round facer.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's a few different shapes. Is typical for around as well,
So I would say it's very common Also it's just
very common for like, yeah, well life and aging. It's
like fine if you're starting to notice those changes. There
are a few options that we have for patients I
don't like to. Here's what I'll say about filler. First,
we have been leading the industry as far as like

(21:37):
biostimulators and combining treatments and leaning more towards like you know,
bio regenerative and those type of treatments in general since
twenty eighteen, since we've opened. I also really love filler. Okay,
So in my own face, I have around let's say
four CC's of filler right now, which I only do
once every four years, three four years. So the amount

(22:03):
of that is less than a tea spoon. Okay, So
just four ccs and four syringes sounds like I have
like eight huge bazooka guns filled with like filler. It
sounds very scary. But when somebody comes in for any
kind of like facial balancing that consists of biostimulatory treatments,
threads and also filler, I'll tell them we might use

(22:24):
you know, closer to like a half a tea spoon,
which a half a tea spoon is like two point
five syringes two and a half CC's. If you think
about what that is, a half a teaspoon, that's really small.
And if we're starting you in your forties or fifties,
you've lost a lot of volume over time. The thing is,
filler needs to be utilized correctly with the right technique
in the right plane of the face. That's a huge

(22:45):
problem is using the wrong fillers in the wrong planes
of the face. And it needs to be placed in
the appropriate areas. So, for example, if somebody wants like
a soft lip, hydration is what we call it, where
we're not making your lips bigger, we're not changing the
shape of your lips, then maybe over time you've noticed
that there's more fine lines and wrinkles in the lips
coming more inwards. I can hydrate the lips with a

(23:08):
specific type of filler. Types of fillers and characteristics of
fillers are called reology. It's the science of like how
we study the characteristics. If the reology is softer and
the consistency is like a soft honey where it just
like hydrates and spills into the fine lines, but it
is not enough to really pack a punch of like
you know, steady volume where you're really giving someone a

(23:31):
robust pout. If something's really soft and spills into fine lines,
you're not going to put that in the underreyes because
in the undereyes, you need something really stable, and you
need it deep in the tissues on top of the
bone so that you don't see any filler from the surface.
You only see support and your skin is brought to
light a bit more. But there's nothing in the skin,
there's nothing in the fat tissues, there's nothing in the muscle.
It's all the way back on top of the bone.

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So that's how I would utilize filler in the under
eye area.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
So wait, Vanessa, I have a question. So when people
are complaining about filler under eye and being to see it,
is that the wrong filler or the wrong placement.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
So here's the thing with Okay, we're going to get
into the politics of esthetics. Right now in the US,
we're very limited with the type of fillers that we have.
I just came back from Korea last week. I was
getting all of these things done. I was taking courses
with plastic surgery, plastic surgeons out there and dermatologists out there,
and then every day after class. I would like go
run and do something exciting that you can only get

(24:24):
done in Korea. In Korea, in Europe, in most of Asia,
they have like over fifty sixty one hundred different types
of injectibles. They have so many different types of reologies
where for each thing that someone is looking for, there
is a specific tool for that specific area of the face.
And here's the thing. It's so much more accessible, it's

(24:49):
a lot less expensive in Europe and in Asia. In
the US, we have a couple of companies that monopolize
the price, which is why it's so incredibly expensive. So
super I don't love t your trough filler. I don't
love scolars in that area, and it's really only for
someone who has true volume depletion. Filler is to replace

(25:11):
volume loss. If you don't have volume loss and the
shadow that you're seeing is due to this skin scaffolding
really starting to thin out or like the skin creepiness,
then you should use a biostimulator instead.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
So what is a biostimulator that's is that an injectable
that's collagen?

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Like what is that? Because I have no.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Idea, So biostimulators can be a few different things. Sculpture
is a type of biostimulator. PRFM, which is the next
generation of PRP, which is growth factor that comes from
your blood, is a type of blood stimulator. There's also exosomes.
There's also hyperdiluted.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I've been hearing about those a lot, like.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
What is that? I don't even know what that is though,
if you talk about all.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Of those things, it's specifically in the under eye area.
PRFM which stands for a platelet rich fibrin matrix. It's
your own jelly matrix that's made from your growth factors
of your blood, from your PRP. It helps thick in
the scaffolding of your skin. And essentially what's happening is
your skin has less shadowing because now it has a

(26:24):
more collagenated matrix. That neocologenesis that has happened has spurred
your collagen in elastin fibers to become healthier and there's
more of it. So it's not that you had a
deep shadow from volume depletion from fat loss. If it's
because the skin structure and the fat structure has changed
a little bit and maybe it's just not as healthy.
We can replenish it instead of giving more volume. Then

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that's the key factor for you. So that's what I
would say. There's quite a few different approaches to the underreye,
but those are my favorite. For the underreye.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
What's the treatment that you see makes the biggest difference?
What do you what do you in all of I
mean truly, because like I said, I mean I think
botox I have sort of a love hate relationship with
I'll partake here and there, but I always have like
it's almost never like yeah, yeah, it can be a
little hit or miss, and let filler.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I told you, I'm frightened.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yeah, But what are the things that you feel like
really like when someone comes in.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
And you you you guide them in this direction, they're
like so happy.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yes, I'll refer to when patients cry in my chair.
So when I show them the after, like when I'm
done with the treatment or if I'm seeing them at
their follow up and everything is completely healed, and I
show them their photos there before and after photos. So
we take pictures of every single patient every single time
you come in. And if your office doesn't do that,
it's questionable because I want to be able to show

(27:49):
you and I want to be able to study your
success over time. And I also want to be able
to see are we getting too close to maybe not
being as natural? Are we getting too far away what
our original goals are. I think if we start, if
we continue this path in three treatments, she may look augmented,
and that's not what we're looking for. We're looking for rejuvenation.

(28:09):
We're not looking for augmentation. So if you don't have that,
you know, visual documenting, how can you really tell? So
what people cry about most is the eye frame. When
I can make someone's eyes look the eye frame is more,
is brighter, is more opened, is less highed, doesn't look

(28:29):
as angry. And I think that makes so much sense.
Right when we connect with ether and when we're talking
to each other, we're looking at each other's eyes. And
when you look into the mirror and you don't recognize
yourself sometimes, or if you feel like you look angry
and tired, when you don't feel that way on the inside,
it's a trag. So I love treating the eyes. Now
with the eyes, I'm looking at temple support, I'm looking
at brow framing, I'm looking at the under eye zone.

(28:52):
I'm looking at the upper cheek and how it connects
to the under eye zone, and that's a combination usually
of more so biostimulators, Like I'll use sculpture towards the
hairline to just kind of give like a baby lift
to this zone.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
So sculpture is not a filler acid filler. Correct, It
is a BIOst I always thought that that was a filler.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yes, there's a lot of We classified it as a
filler years and years ago because we didn't have this
biostimulator category quite yet.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Okay, got it.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm writing this down by the way, I just got out.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I know I can tell you're right.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, bios, Jessica.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Her head's down, she's not texting. She's taking notes right now.
She's a note taker picking a lot of notes.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
And I'd love to see you in person and just
give you a.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Coming for you.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
We're coming. We're literally we're doing this from outside your
door in a van, so.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
We're on our right door.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I can't wait on you in the back alley. Okay,
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Okay, So the sculpture is not filler. It's your own
body adding collagen. Is that right? Or am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (29:54):
So sculpture is made out of p L A so
polylactic acid, and when it comes to us in like
a powder form, it looks like a powder, just like
how botox comes to our office. It's in powder form,
and then we have to reconstitute it with bacteriostatic saline
steral water, and then from there we have to use
it within a certain amount of time. Now it's an
injectable liquid. So p LA polylactic acid is a type

(30:18):
of crushed polymer, dissolvable, absorbable polymer that when we place
it within tissues, it's almost like a fertilizer for your
own collagen. So once it's placed within your own tissues,
and we kind of like you know, kind of globally
within a zone. It's not very precise, like if I
have a little uh, you know, indentation here, I place
a tiny bit of filler there, and then now I

(30:39):
get a little area of you know, improvement. This is
more so like if I need a larger zone of
the face that needs some collagen boosting and thickening, then
I'm going to be using sculpture in this zone. So
we lose a lot of skin integrity here in the
lateral or the outer portions of the face. Closer towards
the hairline, and then the fullness of space and skin

(31:00):
itself shifts down and forward. So if we can preserve
this outer portion of the face as much as possible
without changing anything in the sentilized features, that's really successful
and it helps the eyephrame. You notice over time the
outer hood of the lid starts getting heavier and you
can't put on your eyeline or this same you notice
that more of it is covered by the hood of

(31:21):
the lid. If we place a little bit of sculpture.
You can do this with botox also, but it's not
as impressive. If we place a little bit of sculpture
in the temples and back towards the hairline, you get
this beautiful, very soft improvement by only stimulating collagen in
the areas of your face, like the soft tissues of
the face. Yes, it's good.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
And does it happen right away or do you have
to Like I'm wondering, is this a bunch of sessions.
Would you notice after one session?

Speaker 3 (31:47):
That's a great question. I love that you guys are
so excited about this.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
I'm so excited, so excited about all of it.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I just actually had it done eight weeks ago, I
was seeing all my patients success and I was like,
hold on, it's mama's turn.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Going on here.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, So when we're working with sculpture, you do see
results instantly, but those aren't the results that are that
are going to stay because when we're placing it in
the volume that you're seeing is actual sterile water. That's
the carrier for the BLLA to get into your tissues.
And then that sterle water leaves you, so the swelling

(32:21):
goes away, most of it. Eighty percent of that swelling
goes away within the first few hours. And then what
ends up happening is it's a little sad because you
miss that result a little bit. And then what happens
is in the next couple of weeks, in the next
several weeks, your own collagen starts to take the place.
But it doesn't look swollen. It just looks like a
glow and like a youthful fullness of that replacement of

(32:45):
youth in the skin, and there is a tiny bit
of lifting with it. So that's a separate weapon for
that area. Some patients like to do a couple of
treatments and we guide you through that. Most patients do
within their within the ages of thirties and forties, early fifties,
will do maybe two or three sessions with our clientele.

(33:05):
That's perfect for us.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
So let me ask, because I have that heaviness here
right as I've aged, I've always had these lines even
as like a kid, right and for me it isn't wrinkled.
So I don't know if they're considered really the marionette lines.
I'm sure they are, but I feel like it's that
fat like pad moving. Do you fill this with filler
or do you again do something up here? Or is

(33:27):
this where threads then come in?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Great question? So for you, particularly when I'm looking at
this area, the marionettlines are down here towards.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
The prol I thought that they were these.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
This is called the nas A labial fold or oh
that's right, and then these are the marionette lines. A
lot of people also call them marionettes. Who are you know,
not in the industry, but we know what you guys
are talking about when you bring it up. This NASA
label fold right here is usual if you've always had it,
even since you were younger. It's completely normal, but over
time and it's really also I should say, this dependent

(34:00):
on the topography of your bone structure. So naturally my
topography of my fat pads and my bone structure is flatter,
so that's not typically a concern for my face shape
and my bone structure. However, if you think of like
some hearts and diamonds, there's a nice curvature in separation
to where the oral area meets the cheek area, and

(34:22):
that's actually really beautiful. I think that we've been tricked
to think that, like there's something wrong with nasallibial folds.
Diamonds since a very young age will always have deep
nasallibil folds, and they always talk about I hate my
laugh lines, I hate my laugh lines, and it's like,
you know what, you're in great company. Diamonds are Jessica
Alba and Beyonce and nasallibil folds are always a thing

(34:43):
for that face shape and there's nothing wrong with it. However,
if you notice that they're progressively getting worse, there.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Just feels like a heaviness, right, Like it just feels
like a like less youthful, like more heavy.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, if you're noticing that heaviness or that just that
change in that fullness in that zone and that shadow
becoming more I would start off with not filler. I
would start off with using sculpture down to the pureform aperture,
so all the way down to the bone. Within this
zone here, I would there's a deep fat pocket, not
the superficial fat pocket that's underneath the skin. There's a

(35:15):
deep fat pocket that if we can create some light,
gentle rejuvenation of that tissue, what ends up happening is
you have the support underneath without having any kind of
like flattening or fullness of the face or a muting
of your emotions when you're trying to show that. I also,
simultaneously so that you have bi directional support, create some

(35:37):
sculpture and possibly some threadlift, depending on the severity of
how much laxity you have in your tissues. I would
be able to get my hands on you and figure
that out more so in person. But if you do
this test where you take two fingers right on the
outside of your cheekbone where it connects to your hairline,
and just slight.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Shift, I mean you can see when I do it
like this.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Try to do even less, like two or three millimeters. Yeah,
So I would say if you had no difference in
that zone. I wouldn't even think to go up there
and place any support there because a lot of patients
have that as well. And then I just go straight
into the peer form. However, if you do have a
little bit of improvement when you do that tiny, tiny

(36:21):
shift and pull, and it's time to start paying attention
to the hairline.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
You are the thread queen.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
And I watch the videos and I'm equally enthralled and
terrified all the same time. And I have a question
of why it goes wrong for so many people, Why
so many people have thread horror stories. I also want
to know I keep reading that, like, if you ever
want some sort of facelift at some point, if you've

(37:03):
ever gotten threads, it like ruins it for some reason,
or it makes it more differently for something.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yes, this is one of my favorite things to talk about.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Also, you might want to say what I Oh, yeah,
let's talk about what they are, because you know, maybe
you're not like me.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
On Vanessa's Instagram everybody every every hour.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
So I'll start off by saying, also, there's a lot
of these like really viral posts from providers being like,
here's a celebrity who has done all of this stuff
and looks crazy. And here's a celebrity who really uses
like you know, great skincare, luxury skincare, has always taken
care of herself with facials and maybe has had a

(37:40):
little botox here and there. And when I watch these,
I'm like, those are my patients who have done everything
by the way. Never they never are going to post
me like I'm kind of like this secret in their
back pocket. And like honestly favorite faces who look the
most natural I've touched multiple times. I'm talking like Oscar

(38:02):
Award winning like true artists who really depend on like
I need to look like myself, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Threads are dissolvable suitors that we use in soft tissue
injury and surgery. We've been using them for decades, in
decades and decades, but now they move to the aesthetic space,
and Korea has really taken off with making sure that
we have the most natural and the most i would
say respectful of our anatomy type of results. So the
threads are not in your system for very long. If

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you think of what sculpture does, it's in your tissues.
It stimulates your tissues to build collagen in its space
and then it's out of there. But then your collagen
is what holds the results for so long. Threads do
the same thing, so they're like a type of biostimulator
as well. It's made out of a substance called PDO,
which is polydiacsive known and that is essentially another word

(38:54):
for a different type of polymer, just like PLA. So
when I talked about when I talk about PLA or
polyelactic acid sculpture to patients who have seen me for
a long time, they're like, what is that? And like
it's essentially like crushed up thread powder, and it just
is a new way to stimulate, you know, collagen in
your tissues. So with threads, the threads are placed in

(39:15):
they're anchored within your tissues. They have little cogs or
holders of your tissue molded into them, and they're placed
in the subcutaneous tissue, which is the fat tissue underneath
the skin, and it anchors you upwards and you're held
in that manner of how the vectors of the threads
are placed in because if the little holders are barbs
they're anchored into. Typically I go close to the temple

(39:38):
or just above the top of the ear, within your hairline,
so that you don't see any entry point whatsoever. If
you do have bruising or swelling, it's within the hairline.
And then the threads are only there for a little while,
sometimes a couple of weeks, sometimes a little bit longer
than that. Then as soon as that's that period is over,
the absorption of those threads have occurred already, they're dissolved,

(39:59):
but your own collagen has taken the place of where
those threads are placed.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Oh but if you're lifting something and then that thing
sort of disappears, is your face then falling again?

Speaker 3 (40:10):
No, because when placed correctly, If you think about how
we use these dissolvable sutures within surgery. If there's some
kind of like tumor in a lung and we have
to take that out, we have size it and then
we close that lung tissue up. The tissue is then
sewed with these sutures. It doesn't stay there. That suture
starts to absorb, and your collagen takes over your tissue

(40:30):
mends itself and stays, and then that's your result. The
thread is no longer there, the suture is no longer there, So.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Are there two types of threads though, because I feel
like some people complain that they can see a thread
you can oh.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
So this is not a type of thread issue. It's
a user issue. So the provider has placed it way
too superficially. It should not be in the skin. That's
when you see it is what in When it's in
the skin, It's supposed to be in the subcutaneous tissue,
just subdermal.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
I'm sure that you work on a million people who
I just go, oh my god, she's naturally gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
But in your own.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Experience, like, what was it huge that difference when you
did it yourself?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's not huge, but did you feel so much better?

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Totally? Because it's subtly dramatic. It's like it's like when
it's like when you get an amazing facial with micro
current and you have like your brain yeah, and you're
out in the world and you're like, I've arrived.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
Okay, wait, so then sorry, we have to get to
this because it's very important. Yeah, everyone is talking about
Lindsay Lohan and you cannot. I mean you cause you
I actually spent about five minutes staring at this picture
the other day. I was like, I like to think
that I can kind of tell what it looks like.
You cannot tell what it is that Lindsay Lohan has done.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And yet when you look.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
At a picture of her, and I say this respectfully,
and I really do because I think that everybody's you know,
like I said, I don't think anyone needs anything, but
when people do do things, I'm.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Like, okay, all right, this is this is in a picture.
It's pretty simple. She looks completely herself.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, the fact that we can't tell what she's done
is the goal, right, You're like, wow, you look like
you drink and you've drunk five tons of water and
you've been just you know, under a red light, and like.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (42:21):
That's the goal.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
That's definitely the goal. Yeah, and doel so you feel
like with threads you can sort of get that feeling
or get that look.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Okay, So this is what I'm going to say about
Lindsay's transformation. First of all, I don't know for sure
what she has had done. I also think that she
looks so wonderful and so like herself before Ibitha and
all of that stuff. You know what I mean, you like,
definitely free that stage getting the type of look that

(42:52):
she has right now is very attainable with threads, with
biostimulators and maybe a touch of filler, definitely simply support
for her skin type. It's not addressing one plane of
the tissues. It's addressing the skin, the fat underneath the skin,
the muscle, the ligaments, it's the deep fat and then

(43:14):
all of that together makes sense and looks the most natural.
Can you also achieve those results with surgery? Which is
what I think, and again she's not my patient, but
this is my clinical opinion is she probably had a
surgical procedure and also had biostimulators in some laser treatments.
I don't think that she had threads. I think that

(43:36):
knowing from where she came from just a few years back,
that was like a lot of inflammation, a lot of heaviness,
a lot of loss of elasticity, and sugar and alcohol
and some things that she probably had some fun with
really adds to that. So when a patient comes in
and they're looking for a subtle lift and some slight rejuvenation,
and I ask them, how motivated are you? Okay, so

(43:59):
you know that when we do that lift, yeah, pull
back two inches and they're like, this is what I'm
going for. I go, great, here's my plastic surgeon that
I love, who's she's my favorite person in the entire world.
Go see her. You love her so much. As far
as what I can give you is a few millimeters,
sometimes a centimeter or two. What you're looking for is
like two inches, And I'm so sorry, but I won't

(44:21):
be able to do that for you. But here's who will.
And that's what I think the difference is.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, I just want to know about the facelift part
of it, because I've heard that the facelifts can be affected, like,
don't get spreads because in.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
The future facelift.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Room, you've like screwed your planning left right to make
sure why not, Okay, I'm picking up what you're button down.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah. So, with the results that I ended up witnessing
from the original trainings that I had from the Western docs,
I was like, this is probably creating scar tissue because
there's just so much forcing your way with these canulas
threads through the tissues that there's no you're not creating
scar tissue. And so I think that there are a

(45:04):
lot of people who probably still have adopted those techniques,
and they're probably having a lot of trouble for people
who want to get facelifts in the future. I will
say this, the Korean technique, you use a light to
messent within the tissues. So to messent lightocane is you're
creating a very small space, a very light layer of
some lightocane and numbing within the tissues. The tracks that

(45:27):
you're going into with the threads are pre numbed internally,
and so what ends up happening is you're not forcing
your way through. You have this like light, very soft
space to go into, and then when you press down
on the tissues, you're locked in and you're lifted. So
that's the difference. I ended up doing some threads. I
did some kaibella to dissolve some of my jewels. I

(45:47):
ended up doing some thread lifting for my lower face
because I wanted to minimize my jowl and I wanted
a smooth or more defined kind of vline space. And
I was like, you know what, those things were cute, Like,
I'm it's I like the difference, but I'm ready for
something like really impactful. I'm ready for I have some
deep motivated feelings about this. So then I saw my

(46:08):
surgeon and during the consultation, doctor Sunder told me, is
there anything any treatments that you've have done in this area?
And I told her, I've done threads, I've done kuybella.
How do you feel about that with moving forward with
surgery afterwards? And she was like, walk me through your
technique with threads. And I walked her through it and
she was like, you'll be fine. And I was like, great,
it really is because of how gentle.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
That urgon and that makes sense, yes, But she was.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Like, by the way, after the surgery, she was like,
the kuibella that you've done before, it looked like a
bomb exploded inside your face. The fat tissue was so
distorted and not what Diabella does. It explodes the it
opens up the cell membrane of the fat so that
the fat can be released into your inner social fluid,
and then you pee and sweat out the fat over
the next like several weeks and then it's permanent fat damage.

(46:53):
But she was like, it was just so damage that
you know, she had to do some light bone is
a little bit tougher, so that was more of a
problem than the threads out interesting, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Okay, rapid fire, come on.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
Jess, for our listeners that you know, I mean for
all sorts of reasons, Like obviously your first step might
be something you can do at home, right, So I
just want to have a rapid fire skincare situation.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Great?

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Great, what are some of your personal beauty must have
for daily skincare ritual? I mean you don't have to
get product names, but like what are what are we
looking for? Because you can get lost for it.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
When you asked a while ago, like what was the
most impactful, I actually had two answers. So one is
the eyes too is a good skincare routine. It really
is the most impressive, actful long term. So I love
alpha arbuden. I love a g O which is alpha oligosaccharride.
It it's a type of prebiotic on the skin that

(48:02):
actually I have right here. It's called the acid buff
It's a once a week peel. And this is from
the things we do. It's actually something that's working on
formulating the past five years and it's finally out. It
just launched, so that before that I was using doctor
Dennis Gross peels and it changes. As someone who has rosetia,
I do have roseatia. Thanks Dad. It just was too

(48:25):
strong for me. So it was great for body like
I used it on like elbows, my under arms. I
used it on like certain areas like you know, like
my knees, but it wasn't the back of my arms
for KP. But it wasn't great for my face. It's
it's awesome for people who don't react strongly to things.
But I deal with redness, with puffiness, with breakouts, all
of that stuff. So this is a peal that's very effective.

(48:48):
After one use, you see a major difference, Like the
next morning you'll see a difference. But it's because the
oligo saccharide, it binds water to your skin, so it's
that helped take It basically dissolves the glue that's holding
all your dead skin together, but it also binds water
to your tissues at the same time, so you wake
up smoother and you look more hydrated.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Could I like burn my my faith? Like I worry?
This is me because I'm a warrior.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I have anxiety. Right then I'm gonna put it on
my face. Is gonna just like fry off? Could I?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Because I have sensitive skin?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Right?

Speaker 4 (49:20):
So can I?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
This one that you just said from the things we do,
is there's some way to get up.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Basically, yes, if on the box it says to use
two to three times a week. One of our one
of our patient coordinators are actually one of our managers.
She was like, I just love it so much. I
use it every night, And I was like.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Alex, don't you got to stop.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
It's great right now, but your skin can only take
so much because there are actives in it. So I
would say, if you use it for like three weeks straight,
every single night and don't listen to the instructions on
the box, yes.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Follow the instructions. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
What's your best take on poor size minimizing por size?

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (49:59):
I want to know.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
People who say you can't minimize poor size are ignorant,
you guys.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
So how do you do it?

Speaker 3 (50:06):
You have to reduce your oil content. So poor size
is dependent on two things genetic factors. So if you're
naturally very very oily, you're always going to have larger pores.
Dry people have zero pores right Seemingly the pores are there,
but they're like because they're not holding oil. So if
these people look seamlessly, I mean, they don't have breakouts,
they deal with dryness, and they age so much faster

(50:28):
in comparison to someone who has oily skin. So you
have to reduce oil. And here's my trick for that.
It's not so much a product. I wish it was,
but it's skin talks. If you use botox intradermally instead
of using it in the muscle, you don't lose any
movement of the face, but you're reducing the oil production.
Just we injected in the under arms for hyperhydrosis. You

(50:50):
can stamp it with a micro needling stamp like this
one right now. Yeah, you come in office and we
stamped the botox mixed with glutothion for some skin brightening.
We stamp it all over the face and you have
a reduction of poor size because the botox is acting
on the sea bum glands. And then your skin looks
like this glass skin that seems really unattainable.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Okay, wait, but hold on.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
But because maybe I have a different kind, so I
find I do not have very oily skin.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I would say that.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Camilla, if you're noticing a cheek thing, I'm noticing like
a texture thing, and I find that it's the por
size like I see.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
But it's not.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
It doesn't feel like it's because I'm oily, Like I
don't know, I don't even know that I could reduce
the oil in it.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
And I'm not dry by the way. I've always in
sort of combo.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
But I do find that whether it's on my nose
and on either side, like right there and then a
bit on my chin, your tea zone that sounds like good, say,
but I'm not oily, Maybe you're combo.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
I definitely think you're combo. So when as you're talking
about this, I'm.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Like, she knows which is yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, just.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Underneath her eyes, which part of the T zone where
people are prone to getting milia because you have larger
sabaceous glands in areas, so you don't have to be oily,
but you can have an area of the face that
produces just a little bit more because if you weren't
oily all over, you could just have larger pores all over.
And we know people with that skin type as well,
they're preserved forever, by the way, like my dad had

(52:18):
super oily skin and he looked amazing even at age eighty.
But if it's only in one portion of the face,
it's probably because you produce more oils in that area,
so I would do the peel in that T zone.
So combination skin. I like to call this skin zoning
where you're like hydrating certain areas, but you know, like
taking away certain areas where you wouldn't do that for

(52:40):
the cheeks because there's not the same oil activity there,
but you need to do that for the T zone.
I also really really love and it's so funny because
aad just happened. It's a huge dermatology conference and a
bunch of different like skincare companies have been like going
up to different dermatologists and being like what's the skin
or like what skin trend do you hate? Or what

(53:02):
should be throughout the window, And a lot of people
were like Toners Toners, and in Korea everything is about
Toner's and sens in hydrators. I personally love Toner's essences
and skin hydrators because I think so many people think
that they don't do very much because they don't feel
like a serum. You don't notice like difference right away.

(53:24):
But here's the thing. Oil content and hydration content water
content in skin is very different, right, Like you can
be very oily and super dehydrated. Your water content is
low if most people deal with dehydrated skin, especially here
in Los Angeles in southern California, we are so dry
that may So I had my makeup done in Korea

(53:44):
and I had a little like Korean style headshots, which
I just thought was so cute to do and try out.
The makeup artists put three layers of moisturizer on my skin.
It took longer to prep my skin than the actual
makeup application. And then with the foundation, she mixed moisturizer into.
First she did a toning, and then she did the
three layers of moisturizer, and then she put moisturizer into

(54:06):
the foundation and then padded that on. And I was like,
I've never looked better with makeup because everything is about skin.
She wears color, and my skin was just radiating through everything.
But they're big on skin flooding. So for instance, I
have here fla skin. It's a rice enzyme toner. It
hydrates the skin. So my mom, when I was younger,

(54:27):
she would say, wash the rice, prepare the rice, and
then and put it so that we can put it
on our skin later. Put it in like a little
you know, like.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I've heard this, I've heard I've never heard this. It's
kind of like the sk too, isn't that kind of
based on Yes.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yes, so rice enzyme is really great for reducing redness
for skin toning. When I say toning that in Korea,
toning is tightening so the skin, but it's still hydrating
your skin at the same time. The reason why it
feels tighter is because it's plump, because it's retaining more water.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
It's true, you have to take care of your skin.
It's like it's actually the best.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Uh, it's the best kind of it's the best non
makeup makeup. Okay, question is it true that beef talo
is good for your face?

Speaker 3 (55:05):
You know, I only like to speak on things that
I've tested myself, and I've done research and there's clinical
studies and all of that. I haven't I don't know
enough about the beef tallow But I also will not
knock it because there are some very simple things that
we have just written off in esthetics and skincare and beauty,
and all of a sudden people give it a chance

(55:27):
and then it's like whoa that was, Like, yeah, it's basic.
Like for instance, vaseline and aquafor you know where. It
was like for years and years, no one would be
putting it on their face, and then all of a sudden,
one TikTok takes off and everyone's slugging. And I do
it too. I use aquafor once a week and do
like a nice slug over all over my entire face.

(55:49):
As one was combination skin. Now I've graduated to also
using baby rash cream, diaper cream, pure zinc to just
like reduce the redness. It's healing, it's protective for the skin.
So I will say this, maybe beef twel might be great.
I haven't tested it yet, but I have write it
off just because it's so simple.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Okay, by the way, you're.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
Still using the Aqua four, so but if I'm trying
to make my poor smaller, am I using aquaform?

Speaker 4 (56:15):
You just do it on your cheeks, right, You just
avoid the T zone.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I don't put it in my T zone, but I
put it all over my cheeks, all over my forehead,
which forehead is part of T zone. But that's not
an issue for me. It's my nose and it's definitely
under my eyes. I've made videos of it of I
don't place it there.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Uh huh, okay, what about the salmon DNA? Oh yeah,
I've even heard salmon's sperm DNA.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
It is salmon sperm DNA. When you hear DNA, it's
always the sperm.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
What I just find that it?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Yeah, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
What's sperm on my face?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Well, i'll do anything for you know, I will say
that I don't love the storytelling.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
So did we get here?

Speaker 3 (56:52):
But when I went to Korea, I had a full
I had two very deep skin analysis. Like we talked
about that.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
You're say you had a false sperm face, but go ahead. Yeah,
I went full sperm in Korea.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Talking to the doctor and well, both offices told me.
I was like, it's interesting you didn't offer me to
get you know, this the salmon DNA. And they were like,
we don't really Koreans don't really do that. You Westerners
are obsessed with it because you just have discovered it,
but you don't really And I was like why And
that also is a biostimulator. You should know that, so

(57:29):
it biostimulates your own okay. And I was like why
why don't you And they were like, well, it's so
incredibly painful, and you have to do it one month
for the first three months. You know, it's like injections
all over the face once a month for the first
three months, and then every other month for the next
three months after that to see something really show up
in your skin. And then from there you're good for

(57:51):
a round a year and you do the whole thing
over again. And for how painful it is and how
expensive it is, we don't really like it as Koreans.
There're so many other things are more impactful.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I want to know a trend that you think is
happening right now in the beauty industry that you do hate,
but you're like something that I.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Hate in the world of aesthetics right now, baby everything.
So this whole idea of like baby botox, I've spoken
on this a couple of times on my page baby Botox,
baby sculpture, baby, all of that stuff that's just for
you to make you feel better about things like the
coming back from Korea. I mean, first of all, you're

(58:29):
going to die. Master Botox is five dollars over there.
Full Master botox. You can get full face botox forehead
all the way down to your neck, like one hundred
something units for like sixty to eighty dollars. It's like
ridiculous because they have so many different types of normals.
We're limited to just a few here in the and
so they just like dominate pricing, right, so it's way

(58:50):
more expensive here. But like the talk of like patients
being like, oh, my last provider told me that I
just do baby botox, and I was like, okay, great,
let's go ahead and have your chart sent over. I
want to teck out how many units you had. And
they're standard dosing botox, you know what I mean. But
she her provider had probably told her, oh, they're just
baby units to make her feel better, you know, the
psychology of things. What I think, as providers, we need

(59:13):
to stop trying to like trick our patients into things
and just educate and be like, hey, listen, when you
go to neurologists, if you have migraines and you get
a botox treatment clinically for that, you're getting around two
hundred fifty to four hundred fifty units. If I'm using
forty units for you to just smooth some fine lines
and to lift the brows a little bit, it seems

(59:35):
very small in comparison to that, and it's very safe. Also,
instead of being like, yeah, you should do it, it's baby,
it's special for you, but you know your other friend
does like full dosing, and we're creating the entire you know,
I feel like it's like smoke and mirrors really, so
I just get what's right for you or what you
need to get provider. If your provider is talking to
you in these very like elusive, you know, strange terms,

(59:59):
how's really happened. If your provider is talking to you
in these like elusive, strange terms and it's not getting
to like the you know, the meat and bones of
what you should be educated on. I think you should run.
I think you should you know, it's like a weekend
facelift or like nothing is quick and easy when it
comes to this stuff. I think all of this stuff
is medicine. It's the softer side of medicine, but it's

(01:00:21):
still medicine. So there is a little bit of downtime.
You should be educated, you should have you know, you
should know the risks, you should know all of those things,
and your provider should be upfront with you. So really
that's on the provider end of things like let's be
with patients. Let's let's be more transparent.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Okay, I want to ask one last question. I saw
a video where a guy said he was an injectron.
He said, you have to pick between either doing your
whole forehead but knowing that your brows will lower, or
picking just like this part of your forehead and then
keeping your brows. So what if you wanted to like
treat your fine lines here, but you don't want your

(01:00:56):
brow to drop, and then you don't want it raised
too much? Is there a way to inject the forehead
without like touch the brows moving.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
There is, And the difference is you're not going by
these standard old school ways and techniques of injecting botox.
It's a much more sophisticated and much more customized treatment.
Which is why internally at the things we do, we
have trainings every six to eight weeks. We have internal
conference every six weeks where we talk about the latest
clinical studies, the latest trends, what to stay away from,

(01:01:25):
what's dangerous, what's safe, all of that stuff. And then
we have a hands on training every eight weeks because
we need to refresh, we need to keep up with
our skills. Who's a trainer from outside of the company
we want to learn from. If you're not constantly pushing
yourself righter, you get stuck in these little weird bubbles.
If you can't do this, you have to do this.
Got a lot of things outside of that. As someone
who has naturally hooded lids, I'm I have been dropped

(01:01:50):
before with my brows because I wanted smoothness in my forehead.
Now I have smoothness in my forehead, as you guys
can see, and I can also lift my brows and
move like a normal human. But I'm not sacrificing the line.
So you absolutely don't have to choose.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Okay, I love this. Okay, we do have to let
you go. I know I could talk to you for hours.
This could be our longest podcast ever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
You're no, we're going to sideline this. We're going to
find you. Are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
We are?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
We are talking later.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
Yes, we have to come in and I want to
know all the things because I do. I mean, for
those that really are obsessed like me. When I listen
back to this, I'm going to rewind and listen and
write down exactly I missed a couple of those key words.
But I think that you know, you're looking for those
words and those ingredients when you're going into wherever you
get things is really important, and it's so it's so

(01:02:37):
incredible to have someone as knowledgeable as you to sort.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Of shepherd us through this process.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
So yes, I'm coming in person, and I'm going to
see everything and I'm going to hear everything.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yeah, thank you, thank for having me. I'm here for
you guys. Okay, any questions, I'm all yours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Okay, amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Thank you so much, Vanessa, thank you, Okay, bye now
bye bye.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Dude, I'm obsessed with her.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I know you. I mean it's cause you got to
make questions. There's so many questions.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
I mean, I'm not even I could this could have
been a two hour podcast for me. She's so knowledgeable.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I'm just ultimately not as I'm not so brave.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
It's really like, I just think you have to find
someone that you trust, you know, and if you're looking
at their work on Instagram or whatever. I guess if
you went if you went to someone who you saw
their work beforehand, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
That's the trick, right, and then you can just be
a little braver. But I get scared.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah, of course. But listen, I'm not going to be
in a couple of years. I'm not going to be
so scared when I look at the mirror and I and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
I'm like, you know what, it's time. I'll get real brave,
real see.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
But that's how I feel. I have not like you
don't already know this. I'll do all the things that
you tell me to do with skincare.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
And I'm not so afraid of lasers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Like I'm not afraid of like afraid of laser.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
I love the photo facials and the sun damage going
away and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
But I mean, oh, I don't know surgery.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Talk about words, Well, this isn't surgery. This is what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
That's why maybe you do this so you don't have search.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
And I believe her that, Like the there's so many
the people in our industry that were like god, they just.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
They just looks so great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I know they're going to hurt, you know, they're getting
all the things, and here I am sat on the sidelines,
you know, being like I want to just be like
them in age gracefully, and I'm you know, melting.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Faces, sliding down, sliding down my face.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I know, I don't know. I have a love hate
relationship with that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
Is to to you know that I have a love
hate relationship with that, because I feel like there's part
of me that actually doesn't want to know what people
have done. I want to believe that there's this you know, illusion,
and then.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Part of me wants to know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
No, I want to know all the things we have
to have her back on at some point. If you
guys loved her like I do, and you have more questions,
please send them because we can do. This can be
our mold stable episode situation where we can keep coming
back and asking Vanessa all the things. So let's call
it the end of the episode.