Call It with Kristin Chenoweth

Roll out the red carpet, because the queen of Christmas movies has arrived!

Jess & Camilla welcome the Original Glinda to the show to discuss all things "Wicked," how she spends her barely there free time, and what it was really like working with some of her major A-list co-stars over the years. She also shares a hilarious audition story involving one of our hosts!!!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
an iHeartRadio podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, and welcome
to another episode of Call It What It Is. This
one's very special. I know we say that a lot,
but this one feels extra magical. And the reason being
is because when we first knew we're doing this podcast,
Jessica and I put together a list of like our favoritest,

(00:41):
favoritest people that dreamy, people that we want to have
on and literally this was like maybe the first person
that came out of your mouth.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I love me some christens it. I love her so much.
You all, if you don't know where, you're going to
fall in love and you do you know, yeah, of
course you know her. But if you don't, if you
haven't heard her talking in her real voice about her
real life, you're gonna fall in love. And if you
do know her, then you're just gonna fall deeper in love.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, you know what you know?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
What's so funny is that we no I just want
to say really quick. What's so funny is we've been
waiting because she's the busiest person that anyone could ever know,
of course, And she's so talented that of course she's
wanted and needed everywhere, and so we've been wanting her
on for a long time and it's literally timed out
with Wicked and I can't even believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
And so all things.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Happen for a reason, and we have to bring her
in and just talk about all the things.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
All the things, and she will.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Who is.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I was just talking about how much in the where
in the bathroom? What's happening?

Speaker 4 (01:54):
I'm in Oklahoma. I just finished a photo shoot and
it's stay like forty one had a day off. But
I'm happy to see.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Oh my god, Kristin. I'm so excited to meet you.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I feel like I know you because Jess talks about
you all the time.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm happy to meet you too, You sweet angel.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
You're like family. I mean, we played family, That's how
we met.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
But even when I go to I had been on
Grays for so long and you get off and you're like, oh,
I'm gonna go do something different, and what's that going
to be? And it ended up being this movie that
I auditioned for three times.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Because they're like, I don't know if she's funny.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Did I know that you had to even audition?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Like hello, No, you would have like flipped a table
if you found that out.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
I'm already flipping a table.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, flip it, Kristen Well, I bet she's pissed she
had to audition. Anyways, I get the part and I
come to the table reading at Lena and I walk
in and we'ren't some I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I mean the production officers were in't like we're to.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
And I see this bright, gorgeous face and she runs
up to me like like like we're like we're long
lost family.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
And I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
And I also was like I believe you were family,
and that's how it started.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I fell in love with her. She doesn't remember this, Camela,
that I was on a red carpet before anyone was
born and baby Jessica was there. I can't remember what
even show you were doing at the time, but I
just thought that girl's really talented. And then when Holliday
came up, you know you know me now, caps I'm

(03:33):
just like I can't wait to say hi, and just
like love on her. And so I went right up
to her in my much too muchness that I am
and never enough, and that was that was all she wrote.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It was it was we were we were off to
the races, and we were all staying in the same
apartment complex, and we would call each other video, send
videos to each other, ride in the car together, stop
at Starbucks together. I knew her order, but I knew
your Starbucks order by heart, like I could go to
Starbucks for you.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
What is that?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Okay, we tell everyone what the Starbucks order is. We
want to know. Sorry, her beverages don't come from Starbucks.
Where do your beverages come from?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Coca Cola? I like Coca Cola regular?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Are we talking about regular?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Wide waist star?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yes, okay, regular Coca Cola. I love this.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
And now I know I have to say Coca Cola
because I said I just love coke and somebody.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Said co Colaa.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
I did change my order, Jessica. Just I know you're
dying to hear the news. But I am love the
egg white bites and I still do. But now that's
the thing, and I give this to you as a gift. Okay,
you have a square thing called potato cheddar bytes and
it's eight it's egg white bites. And potato and cheese
and you're welcome. And they're only two hundred ten calories.

(04:50):
So there it is.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Wait, just is this why you love egg white bites? Yes,
she's the first what she said, I could get to
a time now. Yes, I get them in airports, I
get them, I get them wherever. Yes, because it's a
perfect little bite.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, now we go. So how long were you guys
shooting that together?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
For whatever? No, like cats, was it like two or
three months?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
It felt like forever because we went through every single
holiday in the year, so it felt like a year,
but it wasn't a year.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I feel like we started in May and we were
done by the beginning of August the end of July.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I had my baby girl because she was the only
one that wasn't in school, so she would come back
and forth. So I would always have like a car
seat that i'd try to put in the van, or.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
I'd Jessica was we would go on our days off.
She's like, what do you want to do. I'm like,
I'm I'm roaded hard and put away. What what do
you mean, I'm exhausted? She was like, let's go shopping.
Let's go. And there was in our little pont city.
There was a jewelry store, there was a gift store,
and she'd have all her kids, which I think they're

(05:58):
twenty seven of them all in there, and they their
kids are good. No, I know, we get parental class.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
My kids are not like that. And you're right.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I travel with her too, and I'm like, let me
just bedrot, like, let me be and she's like, I
just went on a whole hike by the beach and
now and it's like, let's go.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
And I'm like, no, you want to go out after.
I'm like, no, no, we don't.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
We don't want to joel on, hold on, hold on
what she would great, let's not let's not pretend that
you were doing nothing in your room. When I would
find out later like so what did you end up doing?
And she'll be she'd be like, well, I had fourteen interviews,
and then I did a bedside version a cappella. I
did on a voice recording, but I did send it
to Broadway. They're going to play it in front of everyone.
There's gonna be twenty seven hundred person audience for what

(06:51):
I just recorded from my bed and I'm.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Like, You're like, let's go get jewelry. Can we just
make a bracelet? Why don't we go do that?

Speaker 4 (06:59):
There was one I remember because on the days off,
and it caught up with me and now I'm not
doing that anymore. But I used to sing concerts on
my yeah weekends off from the movies, and Capshaw was like,
are you like, what are you doing? I want you
to know, Jess, I'm trying to well, first of all,

(07:21):
I'm in my fifties now, girls, so I'm taken. I'm
just trying to be a little bit more mindful of
the time that I have and resting and self care.
I grew up in a time when self care was
not a thing. It was like you keep going and
you don't complain. And you know, I'm from the South too,
so we have that.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Hair care was a thing, but not self care. You're
so right, and you're really got really good haircare.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Hair care. I finally learned what that is too, And
of course none of it's mine, but it's okay.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
None of it's mine either. It's okay.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
You know why people are there to help, that's right, okay,
So can I just before we get on we can't
get off of holiday without telling Okay, I need to
know all the story well because it puts us in
just a very special place.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I hope that Christmas already laughing, did you know what
this is already?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, because there's no way that there's no other story
that's that's going to make her look the way she
looks right now. Okay, So we're we're pretty deep into
our love affair, like we know we're no, we know
that we are each other's people, yes, and you know,
there's like they're setting things up somewhere and so we're
just like chit chatting and every time like they're moving

(08:30):
the set like all the grip stuff and everything. So
we keep having to move spots like you're in the
way here, you got to move over here, and then
you So we find this place to sit stand and
we're talking and we're standing there's like a we're in
the we're in Atlanta, and there's we're outside and there's
like an elevated back patio. Yeah, like a somewhat of
a balcony, right, yeah, like a balcony, but we're not

(08:52):
on top of the balcony.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Almost got you remember.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yes, yes, you did what happened. Okay, we need to
know this story too.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
It was it tick calling up her leg. We were
both in swimsuits, miserable and slapped it off.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah she did, she did, and I let her and
I liked it.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay. So we're standing at the bottom of this balcony
so that our heads are like equal with the feet
of the people standing on top of the balcony.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
This is very important.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Okay, Okay, I'm picturing it. Okay, can you pature that?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
So we're standing there, so our little heads are right there,
level with again the people's feet that are standing on
the balcony, so they're like above us, and we're chip chatting,
chit chatting. And there comes when you want to take
it away.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Christen.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
There was a boom operator and he had that you
know he had he had the head hands on, yeah,
hands on, and he just he just let it rip.
Hey god, yes, our faces were right where his butt
would be, right, you don't remember, but he just let

(10:11):
it rip and just that and I went like we
were like scooby Doo bo doo, and we went in
the direction, not even look at each other. I went
one area, she went to the other. We went and
lookes throw ourselves.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Could not regulates. Are lucky to get pink eye?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
That's very fo we And to this day I say,
boom operator and we both know. We both stop it
to say does he know that he did that?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Of course he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
He didn't see us, so he was like, I'm freeing
so gross you guys grossed out.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
But then we couldn't contain it.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
No, we did. We went out. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
And one of the greatest gifts of being friends with
Kristin is she really does. She doesn't text you. She
takes a video of herself and sends it to you,
so it's in real It's not even like a voice memo.
It's a real the whole movie. And every once in
a while over the past couple of years, she will
just send a video and it all really simply says
is we got farted on.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
We were farted on.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Mine in our own business, y'all just trying to make
a movie, just trying to make.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
You cannot re enact because we looked at each other
when we got farted.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Direction opposite directions.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
I know.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
There were so many funny keeping a street priests because
the word fart can't even handle the word fart.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
No, if you talk about it's because you're PTSD with
this one.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
I think, so this is you have some drama the
Boom Operator doesn't.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
It does? And there were so many funny people on
that movie. And I remember you and I, Oh my gosh,
remember Alex moffittt from Sorry Live?

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Why would we like?

Speaker 4 (12:00):
He's the funniest person.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
God, he was funny. I know, I love him by
the way, Yeah Sorry, he played my.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Husband and he was he was so funny. We had
we had a really good time and Emma Roberts just
love her so much. It was but we became my family.
We became my family. And then so that was a
holiday movie. You've done a lot of holiday movies.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, can I talk about this before you got on?
I said to Jessica, and she is going to tell
us a story that we both apparently don't know. I said,
you're in one of my favorite ever holiday movies for Christmases.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I love that movie so much. And then Jessica, what
did you say? I said, I have to talk to
her about it. And then what did you say?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well, I said, I don't think Kristen even knows how
many times I auditioned for movies that.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
She got what And I remember I did not even know.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I remember, like you know, I always felt like when
I was auditioning early days, I was like the Orman's
Reese Witherspoon.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
They'd be like, you look a lot like Ree Witherspoon.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
But not but like not like as good's pretty, not
as pretty, but like not as funny either, but also
like I don't know, just not her, but like.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
But not at all like that.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
And so anyways, when I get the script and it's
playing her sister, I'm like, well, fuck, I can do that, right,
That's what this poor man's Reese Wetherspoon is gonna be
good for is I'm gonna be able to be her sister.
And so I'm like, I got this, and I throw
out my best audition whatever, and they come back to
me and they're like, oh, I mean it was a
good audition, but Kristin Chenowith got it.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I was like, Kristen, you would have been amazing you
with you were better. I gotta tell you, Kristen, that
role was for you.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Because Jessica and I talk about that you get the
roles you were supposed to get, that you are so
funny in that movie that I wanted to know because.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I wanted this every time I watch it. Was there
a lot of improv in that movie.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
It was mostly improv, my sweet And I was so
happy that Vince and Reese let us you know that's
always when and you know this, you both know this,
that when it just happens naturally, and Vince would just go, chinniwick,
just do it. He let us all do that. I
do have one little story that I've never told.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Bring it.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I saved it. I saved it, and I didn't know
if this movie would come up. I swear, I swear
I've never told this, but I you know that character
has all these kids right back, and she has these twins.
H I've never had a child, and and I love them,
but I just I didn't work out that way for me.

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And I'm having all these kids around me and I'm
holding this this these twins all the time. My neck
was really hurting and they would bring in and say,
give you a break and let me hold one. Because
I wanted to seem like a mom, right. I wanted
it to look realistic. And I looked down and I'm
like why I hope I can tell this on this podcast.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
You can tell anything. We talk about all the things.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Okay, good. I looked down and I'm wet in my
boom area and I was like, what is that? And
I was lactating.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah what?

Speaker 4 (15:20):
And I panicked and I went I remember mentioning very quietly,
begining toes. She goes, No, it's a real thing. It
can happen. It's a real thing. I've never done it since,
but I don't know if it was. I don't know
what it was. But I had to put little covers.
I had started lactating, daring that what was that? That

(15:42):
is insane.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
I love that story.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Thing. It can happen.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I'm so glad you gave this to us. I mean,
I've had that happened when I was breastfeeding, but never
when I was not well.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
I thought, am I pregnant?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Not know it?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
No, I wasn't pregnant. But I guess it's a real
you know, you think about the wet back in the
day or whatever. But it happened to me, and I
was so embarrassed because there was like these wet patches, right,
is't that weird?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's crazy? But you were surrounded by kids in that movie.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Yes, you know, I was probably at my peak, if
you know what I mean, and I was. I was
just loving them. I do love children. I just love them.
We had this thing called the jump jump in that movie.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yes, you did the jump jump and I.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Would get in there on my breaks. Oh it was
a bee tree dish and probably everything, but I didn't care.
I was just it was fun.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
My favorite scene the movie is when you guys go
to church.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Oh isn't that funny?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
And Vince is on stage doing like Jessica hasn't seen it,
she's kids, watch it now. I processed the pain of
the rejection.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
That's what I had to the process. You know, we
always want there's always a part we want, right and
like you said.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
The party, is there one for you? Yeah? I was
gonna say, let's tell us what is the part that
you did not get that you were like over.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
It's Hunger Games? Oh I wanted to play Oh my god,
oh how great? I mean I auditioned several times for that.
But when I went to see it and I saw
I saw Elizabeth, Yeah, thanks to it, I just went,

(17:31):
you know what, she's so perfect, like you can't but
it takes a minute.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
You have to let Yeah, yeah, I gotta say, though
I can if they ever redo it, I can see you.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
In that role.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
I can honestly see you in anything.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean yes, but that role in particular with like
the outfits and that, and you know, she I like,
you would have killed it.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
It was so wasn't it a pretty movie? I mean,
if you can say it's a pretty movie, But I
just I loved I loved the books, so I was.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, And Poppy's reading them right now and she loves them.
She's obsessed.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
She is also, by the way, speaking of you with kids,
all my girls love you. You love my girls like you.
So I mean so yeah, like family, like completely like
family I worked with. My first movie that I ever
did was with Vince Vaughn.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Oh what was it? Yes?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Wait, I don't know this, gosh, Sam full of sometimes
you are. I did a movie called The Locusts. It
was with Vince Vaughn, and he made me laugh.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
He might be one of the top Yeah three like
to be with. Like, when you're in a room with
Vince Vaughn, you are non stop laughing. I haven't seen
him in a very long time, but back then it's true,
like like like coke co cola out your nose, like
you're like you're yeah, you cannot believe it. And we

(18:54):
had a very we had a very fun We were
like we had a very like brother sister vibe.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
He and I. Yeah, he's one of those guys like
in much like Robin Williams who it's like, just let
him go, just let I asked Robin one time we
were doing this movie RV. And I said, do you
ever just because he's always on chill yeah, and Vincent

(19:20):
and he goes, no, this is me, yes around it it. Actually,
I don't know how you felt just but I felt
like Sharper.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Oh for sure. Oh yeah, you got to be on
your toes around someone like that.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Well, you know they always say if you want to
get better at something, play with someone who's better than
you and not like I think I'm some great comedian,
but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
I'm kind of funny, and being with him you would
have to like.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
And Paul Red was in it too, and Paul Red
is also hilarious, and being with both of them was definitely.
By the way, the movie was an extreme bummer. It
was like the deepest darkest drama ever about like Insaust
And yeah, it was like not a funny movie in
any way, shape or form, but off camera we were

(20:04):
laughing a lot. Yeah, And I remember when we used
to go out and I would because he swingers, said,
I think was just about to come out, and oh
my gosh, he was so handsome again go back to
our brother sister Vibe.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
He's so tall, so tall, and so handsome. And we
would go out and I remember just being very He
would use me as shield.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Just to bounce the girls off of girls would be
coming at him like rapid fire, just like throwing themselves
at him, and I was safe. And we had such
a like I said, we were just such a good
dynamic and we had so much fun. And so he
would just like instantly pretend like I was his girlfriend.
They're like arm would go around me and he'd be like, nope, nope, nope.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Oh you're even fatigue compared to the like he's.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Tall, he's very he's very, very tall.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I would find improvising in a comedy with him really intimidating.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I can't imagine like I did it.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I did do it, but there was one time I
love it She's like, I can't imagine it.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Why did I say that? But I will say there
was one time he said just go. It was in
the bathroom. It got cut, but he just said, you're
in the bathroom and Reese comes in and I think
it was not long after the lack ta Yeah, and
I just riffed for about fifteen minutes and he shot
it all. And then you remember in the church scene

(21:28):
that you brought up, Yeah, we were all riffing. He
just he would put the camera on anyone, any one
of it, the character actors, and would just let us play.
And I remember we were all getting a little confident
and a little too much. And I remember kept saying,
who let the dogs out? I'll never forget. Oh my god,

(21:51):
He's right.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
But you know what I love when you go crazy?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
And you in Holiday, she played Aunt Susan, and you
had the you always have the most amazing characters, but
you just got to be wild. And I remember at
one point you were always bringing home different bows, different
different men to our family gatherings, and you brought home
a Santa and you, I mean, this guy loved this.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Know what had hit him? I mean, Kristen was on him.
Like a pole.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
It was.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
I mean it was like she was hanging from the rafter.
Oh my gosh, she was.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
It was the bag of her.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I mean it was commitment, is what it was. It
was commitments.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Do you know that. I think maybe right after our
table read said table read, I had a fitting and
they said they held up this vintage play Playboy play
Day and outfit and they said, we'd live for you
to wear this for the Easter Holiday, and I squeezed

(22:55):
myself into the I remember.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Hot, well, you was both so taught in that movie
because there was like a you were in like a
Leida Hosen whatever.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Halloween. Yeah, yeah, for Halloween.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
I was in Latex nurse. She was in Later.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I was, yeah, those are you guys together.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
I've never seen more extras pay more attention to even
one of us.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
We were classy. We were classy, classic cats.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Sure. I love it.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
And we just had dan on because you have Bukatinski, Yes,
we did, and who adores you also said he gets
video messages from you and you have a So you
have a holiday movie out right now that we've been
talking about with Lindsay Lowen.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
What was so good?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's so good. It's it again. You just can't be bad, evidently, y'all.
Thank you. What was it like to work with Lindsay?

Speaker 4 (23:47):
It was really fun and I had met her once
again when she was younger. I mean she's still young,
but I would say fifteen probably remember when all that
craziness was surrounding her own.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, And what was what I was.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Struck by is how Lindsay is. Well, obviously she's a
complete professional, but you know, much like you caps, you know,
there's the Lindsay Lohan that we all know and a door,
but then there's mom. She's a now I better, she
was a new mom and a wife, and she we
talked a lot. We didn't talk about show business a

(24:23):
lot we talk about to this day. We talk about
just like me and you caps. We talk about real
life stuff. And I just am so if it's okay
for me to say, I don't even know if I
should say this, but I'm so proudly at all. I'm
just proud of her, her and her journey.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yeah, she's amazing and obviously very fun and funny person,
but very lots of depth.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
There, lots of depth, lots of experience and so much challenge.
I mean, listen, a parent Chomp was on a loop
at my house for maybe a year or two. I'm
sure I think I've seen it upwards of forty but
so also sorry just saying it played two people.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
She actually talks about how she really played four is
what she feels like, because you play the two girls,
and then she played the two girls switching.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Yes, that's right, that's right, that's right, and so she's like,
I really the experience for me was really like four girls.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
I never even thought of that.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
I know, wow, super talented.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
And that's where I met the Dan. And the Dan
that's he's loud, like you are my sister. He is
my brother, the Dan, and he's my day or whenever
my husband can't.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
I love your husband.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
By the way they were, he would falling in love
during holiday, and I just love her husband.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
He's so sweet. You guys are a perfect They're just
such a great Oh you guys were like dating June holidays.
Oh my gosh. Oh that's so fun.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
And they're so they're so what you I mean, what
I observed and what I'm making up in my head
is you two are so good at taking care of
each other, Yes, I would.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
You would just see. It was almost you didn't even
it was wordless.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Sometimes they would just give each other a look and
it literally meant I paragraph, and the other one would
pick it up and then do the thing, and they
were just talking with their eyeballs.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Thank you for saying that. That's when we were first dating,
and I was too I was too overwhelmed with my schedule.
And during that movie he said, I don't ever want
this to happen because I was actually having fun on
the film, but then doing concerts every weekend. It was

(26:32):
just too much. And then I think at one point
I almost crashed and burned, and he said, never again. Well,
if you'll let me, will I allow this to happen.
And that was, however, many years ago. And one of
the reasons that one of the many reasons that I
married him is because he is interested in, Yes, the music,
he's my guitarist now and we have a lot of

(26:53):
great fun on the road, but he is more interested
in keeping me safe and healthy. Has it's not as
easy as it used to be, So sorry, no, I
love you. It used to be and he's there to go, hey,
everybody on this team. She's just one little person. And
you know it's hard.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's hard to say no to things too, and so
to have that person that loves you and can read
you like it's you know, listen, the team that represents
you you can say no to, but you know, at
the end of the day, they want you to be
out there doing all the opportunities. So the person that
loves you being able to advocate for you and be like,
actually no, And sometimes you don't even know that you

(27:35):
need to say.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
No, no, I get caught up in I'm not gonna
let's just talk real, like, Okay, you're fifty six now,
you want to stay relevant, you want to continue to work.
These are all real things. As women we have we
have to hear, right, And He's like, you're relevant till
the day you die. If you quit tomorrow, you've given
the world so much. Stop it right now. Anybody that

(27:57):
says that to you has got to go. I've got
your back. You just let your work speak for you
and stop it. And he is the balance.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I feel like standing ovation yeah no, but that's the
care taking. But that's the caretaking. And I remember, I
don't know if you remember this, Kristen.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
So after we did this movie together. We just became
just very fast friends and like like family. And we
went to go see Hadestown Sit together in New York City,
and I mean, I knew she was Kristin Chena with
but I was like, I mean whatever, I've been around
a lot of famous people, like going out with going
out with the famous person in New York City is

(28:34):
like no big deal. And you know, I mean, like
they may recognize me from Gris Anatomy when I'm walking
through that theater too, right, they might be like, look,
there's there's Jess, like a camshow.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I was pond scum, pond scum that they stepped on over.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
It was I think I got like I got some
like bruises on my knees from people just knocking buy me.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Just just take her out. I would have going somewhere.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Going somewhere with her is my point is like going
with the Queen, especially I mean especially on Broadway, and
then we.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Saw them after the show is so amazing.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
And then I remember coming to see you in something
and for some reason, I'm I don't remember, but I
came to see you in a show you did something
go on.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Broadway, my own concert and I was exhausted with it,
and here Jessica shows up.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
You know, yes, but do you remember what happened afterwards?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
I feel like there was something, well, here's so.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Along those lines, and I, like I said, I just
love her husband so much, and he and I would
we would also look at each other and sort of.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Go like, okay, we got her.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
So I come to see your show, which was just
all you in a concert, and I came to see
you afterwards, and you were, I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Larger than life on stage.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Cavilla like, this voice and this presence and everything about
her performance was perfect, perfect, perfect, everything you would want.
And everybody You're looking around and the lights from the
stage are on people's faces and like she's reflected in
their little glassy eyeballs and they're all just adoring and
clapping and just living their best life there.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I'm lucky enough to go see.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Her afterwards, Camilla laughs at me, because I always go
see people afterwards.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
That's why she does. Kristin, they let her see anyone.
Christiane escort me out before even the end of anything.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I have to leave early.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Are you that first?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I'm that person where they're like, well, we need you
to open the exit door for everyone else and hold it,
and Jessica goes and Taylor's waiting for her or whoever
is waiting for her.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
So I go back and I see Kristin and Josh
Is in the room and I looked at you because
there you were in real life, and I said, you
are magnificent.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
You are incredible. That was the most amazing show.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
You need to take a break, I remember, naw, And
I remember being like, why am I saying this to her?

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Like I shouldn't be saying this to her? What am
I doing? Like who am I to come in and
be like you should be taking a break. But there
was something, yeah, where I.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Was like, you do you are so fully committed and
you burn the candle and you are setting yourself on
fire to keep everybody else warm. And there's a moment
when the people who do know you have that that
moment of recognition where you just go, Okay, hold on,
give my girl a break. My girl needs to sit
down and like, have a cheeseburger and watch the television.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
You know. I actually do remember this now, and I
think it was it was not long after we did
that movie. Yeah, it's it's a thing you know, we
all have our what do you call it, our act,
our thing, our Achilles heel. My addiction is work, and
so I have to constantly I'm there now, I'm actually

(31:46):
there right now. It's been forty one days and I
am there now. And now I know, like I don't
want to I want to enjoy the family and being
together with my people. And if you're always tired and
you're coming in, you know, exhausted, and it's not worth it.

(32:09):
And I have that problem saying no. That is my
biggest I'm sure a lot of women understand that. But yeah,
probably even on this podcast right here looking at y'all,
you probably understand it's like, oh, no, I can do
it all. I'm strong, I'm tough, I can do it all.
I should be able to do it all. But the
truth is, you just you can't continue to go at

(32:30):
a hundred miles an hour. No.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I want to know then, Kristin, like, when you do
your self care, when you do have that moment where
you're like, I'm going to take care of myself.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
What is it that you do? What do you like
to do when you're not working? How do you yeah,
how do you take care of yourself.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
It's been a self discovery part for me because I
never would allow myself breaks. So in the past few
years I've learned to do that. And some of the
things I love to do, they're very silly. I like
to be dazzle. I'm pretty good at it.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
No, I love that. I would love that too.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yep. It's very intricate and I don't use a machine.
I do it by hand each stone. I love that obviously.
I love to read. I mean just to sit down
with a really good book and to have up thirty
minutes of it of your alone time to do it.
I am a small girl, who isn't I love that.
I like going to Cabo. I like that. I like music, music,

(33:44):
just putting on music and or anything on anything to
binge watch. But I'm like a lot of the rest
of the world and You've heard it a million times.
I love true crime.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
I love true love true crime.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Jessica, I don't know if you like true crime because, like, honestly, Kristen,
just the sound of Forensic Files coming on my TV.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I'm like, it's like it calms me.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Same.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Have you watched it?

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Dateline is my I watched John Benay, I now think
the parents did not. I don't think the family did
it at all.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I'm glad we're talking abent this. I don't think they
did either. But social media is back in it, and
they they have some questions. There were no few prints
going to them from the house.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
This is all I know. That's my only fact.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
But remember the police watched it. If you saw lou Smitt,
which is the detective that was hired to do the case,
if you saw his back case, you would understand that
this poor And you know every time it comes up
in this port it's the sun did it and works
on dateline.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Oh, I know what you know.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
I just feel bad for that family. Also, I don't
know if you're into it, if you've watched the menandas.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Monsters in fully in, I can't get close. I'm in. Kristin,
what do you think?

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Should they be released?

Speaker 3 (35:05):
They did get them out of there, Kristin, get them out?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Why do you think this? Why do you think it?
I just want to talk.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Can I tell you something really creepy that I haven't
admitted to anybody. I was driving to Beverly Hills and
I had to I looked up the house I drove by.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
I drove by it myself last time I was there.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
It's all black, Kristin. It was probably me and you
outside it parked. If we probably had a picture somewhere
with us.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Just like looking from our cars, I would there was construction,
Oh you would. When I I had no shame. It
was it was like two pm. People were out taking pictures.
There's a little construction going on when I was there,
I don't know, but yeah, well construction, yeah, the stone construction.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Oh my goodness, you too. Were you sleuthing or were
you just like you just wanted to see it.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Well, I don't know how you felt, Camela, But I
needed to revisit because I had seen that Ryan Murphy thing.
I'd seen the Real Life menandas you know, the true
crime documentary. Yeah, I thought I just need to see
the house.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I needed to see it. I needed to make some
decisions for myself as to how I felt.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Again from the car outside, it's sort of like my
own It's like my own personal investigation happened.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
And I sat there and I thought, should they should
be let out?

Speaker 4 (36:21):
What do you think they shot their parents? I mean,
it's horrible, right, it's horrible.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
But I think they've paid for their crime. They've gone
to jail for a really long time, and I think
that the abuse was so heinous that I don't think
there are a threat to society and I think they've
paid their duties either.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
I don't think Camilla that they'll get out and do
anything bad or naughty. I just think I don't want
it to be a message to others like, hey, you
get abused, you want to blow your parents away, You
might get out one day too. But do I think
that they've been in there for I think it was
a different time. I remember it was o J. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
By the way, that's what I've driven by. Is that
a part? What have you driven by?

Speaker 4 (36:59):
The car?

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Are no in Brentwood? Hurts the house?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, Nicole bron Simpson's. It was a little like DUPLEXI
condo e thing like. It was like five minutes away
from where I lived in high school, and it was
I mean the entire listen my high school graduation. I
think it was the day that they were they were
following the Bronco No yes, yes, yes, yes, there was
like you know, televised the I can't imagine living in

(37:26):
LA when that was happening, and it was five minutes
from my house, so yes, we drove by, but for
a long time it was really like the road was closed.
And then and that house didn't get it didn't get
knocked down. That's still there. Someone lives there.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Well, it's crazy that that someone clearly lives in the
Menendez house. Oh, I mean it's still there.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Knew that.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, you know what, This is completely.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Off subject, but this is what I asked my brother
because I told him I duramed by there. I said,
would you ever live in a house that you knew
a murder had taken place in? And I don't care
how many ghosts are in there? It's a sixth bedroom.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
He doesn't care. He doesn't care, he doesn't care.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
I'm glad that you like the crime too.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
I love.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
The only one that I got really into was in
the beginning, and actually it was podcast which was cereal.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Did you ever listen to that? The early one?

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, Kristen.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Do you know we're going to tell you we Jessica
and I kind of part of a true crime documentary
that's out right now.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
You don't know. I'm gonna let Jessica tell you it.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Because I don't even know if I want to promote it,
to be honest, but we are part of something and
it's well, Jess, you got to drop her the deats.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
We talked to Dan Bukatinski about it as well, because
I don't know if you know this about him, but
we met him, well, I met him a couple times
with his husband, with Don and all that. But then
he came to Grays as a writer and he was
on the writing staff with a woman named Elizabeth Finch,
who there has recently been a documentary about who based

(39:00):
fabricated entire art of her life, including surviving cancer, surviving
just a lot, a lot, but she completely lied about
all of it and was in like real relationship and
friendship the way that we all are when we're on
sets and sitting by chairs, and.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
For years, like we were very close to her for
years years.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
How did we not start the interview with this?

Speaker 3 (39:24):
We had to, We had to eat to ease you
in with We needed your trust, she needed your trust first.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
You got my trust. But like I've seen the commercials
about the Finch girl, Yeah, classic narcissism.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I'm not yeah, oh well, yeah, I don't know. I
don't know. I have opinions.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'm not going to stay it on the pod, but
we will all grab wine and we will we will
discuss what I think.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Okay, you know there's always I shouldn't say this. When
I first hit it in the in the small way
that I did with Wicked, there was a girl.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
That musical did. What is that musical? Yes, you know
it's a long time off off off Broadway, that's right.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
I was a girl. I can't say her name because
she ended up. Did she get to go to prison?
But she she started out telling me that she had
She she would come to the show every night and
she would sit in the same seat or near around,
you know, the same area, and she would come to
the State Shore. And I got to know her because
I would see her every night. And then she would

(40:26):
start leaving. She would start leaving me small gifts and
I would go, oh, my gosh, thank you X, thank
you so much for the gift. And then it started
becoming like a Louis Vuitton purse. And I was like,
I said, oh, I can't accept that, but inside I
wanted to so bad obviously, and then she she said, no,
I want you to have it. And then the next

(40:48):
week it'd be like a Valentino shawl and I'm like, I.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Have the name and the number. I need her.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Oh yes, I'm telling you possibly as I'm taking it
from her hands.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
And it got to where she became in my in
my group, you know, she was there every night, and
then she got herself backstage everybody, and then she loaded
on me that she had liver cancer and that she
didn't have long to live. Now a lot of people
in our industry have had this happen to them, but
I was so sad for her and how can I

(41:22):
help and what can I do? And I did a
benefit concert for her to help her raise money for
her for her come to find out she wasn't sick
at all, and she'd done this to me. I think
Kirsten Dunce and the actress Cherry Jones, and she's professional,

(41:42):
I guess, grifter, like yeah, all this stuff, and I
think this Finch girl might thought there's something that happens.
They get in with your that they're ill and then
they get you in that way. And of course who
I'm sure imagining that you all can and you felt
that like, well, that's what.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
We said was that you were never It was a
perfect crime, right, because you're never going to say to
someone never are Is that true? Is that true that
you that this awful thing happened. You're never going to
do that.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Never.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
That's wild that you did a concert.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
You know what's scary about this is the more we
talk about this, the more people have experiences with this,
you think it's so crazy that, like, this is so
incredibly rare, and then you realize Dan had knew somebody
else I had done this too, But yes, he and
don Yes, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
It is very common, and I think they must want
to look for a way in. And what I want
to say to them is just be yourselves. And by
the way, you don't it's not you know, we're going
to get to know who, We're going to get to know,
and it's going to happen the way organically, or it
might not just happen. It's just we're in the public eye.
And I don't even know why I'm trying to say.

(42:55):
I felt so bad for her, and then I got
so duped and then now what unfortunately it has done.
And I'm sure you know what I mean. Where I'm
going with this anytime someone says to me, like they'll
make me backstage or after a premiere or something and
they'll say, you know, I too, I have a thing
called Theeer's disease. It doesn't matter what CAPS knows. It's

(43:15):
like vertigo.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I know what that is because I have tonight is
how are you doing? I'm doing good.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
We had it.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
We actually had a whole episode on this. But I
know that that is that can be part of it,
and I I yeah, so I I know all about that.
But anyway, I will let you continue to storry.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
But I do know what that is that you know,
you don't have to have my disease or you don't
have to. That's not a way in. That should never
be a way in anybody. I didn't you know tonight
is that comes with mineers. So I'm sorry that you
have that.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
That's okay, I know it, and that's okay. You know
what I've I you It becomes normal, it comes par
your life. We can't you go without talking about Wicked,
of course, I.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Mean we must because we have to.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
We must be.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
We have because you're the original, because you originated this
glorious character, and you gave so much to it and
and you are like, You're an impossible standard to meet,
but you are. You set Glinda as this incredible standard.

(44:29):
And and somehow as we're seeing this now in movie theaters,
which is so incredible, and I love those two performers.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I love the movie so much.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
The music is I mean, just gonna I'm gonna go
against and swim against the grain here.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
When I went to go see the movie, I was like,
I know this music, like it's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I'm sure, but like I know it like it's not
gonna it's not gonna be you know, it's not gonna
be like that first time that I heard it and whatever, it's.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Gonna be fine. I go see the movie. I loved it.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I love but I still was like, I know, I
know the music. I have not stopped singing the music.
The girls have been like, can you put that on again?
Can we do define gravity again? Can we do popular again?

Speaker 2 (45:10):
And now I'm like, yes we can. You know we
can do it on uh loop, Let's just keep doing it. So, Kristin,
I want to ask you because you made a comment. Okay,
So the Ariana and Cynthia have been getting a little
they've been getting some crap right for the press tour
and them being so mushy with each other, and I

(45:31):
love it. I'm hook line and Sinker for I love it.
I think I think their bond is incredible. And I
read that you made a comment that you said, that
is the bond that you end up having playing these characters,
like you totally get it.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Can you speak to that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
There's only one other person on this planet that understands
what it was like creating those parts, and that's Dina Monzelle.
And we you know, this was before girls be together,
girls supporting each other. This was before me too. This
was and there we found ourselves very different actors but

(46:16):
coming together. And I mean, I don't I don't want
to say this about us, but I will say it
about it. We created magic together. And when I her,
when I look at her across the room, only she
and I know what it was and on stage and
how we and so we have this feeling of, oh,

(46:39):
please let it be a wonderful movie. And I've said
this story many times because it's the truth. Ari came
backstage and when she was ten to meet me, and
that she was with her grandma Nonah and I met
her and she said, I want to thank Glinda and
I said, oh, okay, here we go. Her grandmother said

(47:02):
you should. You should hear her sing and she kind
of sang something. I went whoa. I went whoa, and
we became That's when our relationship started when she was ten.
We we've worked together before. I've been in her life
for a long time. I remember her calling me saying,
I have this, I have this all I wanted to
play for you, and it was thank you. Next, I

(47:23):
think you're going to be fine. And then she called
me and said that's what I'm auditioning for Gwindo here
in COVID and I and she goes, what do I do?
I said, you're you? Do you? I just remember saying
I knew don't touch her, like, just don't just let

(47:43):
her do it because she's so gifted. I didn't want
to mess with it, and she didn't really ask me to,
but she did say what do I do? And I said,
just be you? And then she called me. I got
the call back and then of course she gets the part.
And then I went to the New York we had this.
They had a screening for the Broadway community, which I
thought was very lovely that Universal did that. But she

(48:06):
was holding my hand through the movie. I was talking
with her a lot through the process, but I think
she just wanted to hold my hand. And after the
movie she I was bald. I was bawling through the
whole thing, just bawling. And that's that's the truth. And

(48:26):
after the movie she said, are you proud of me?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Oh my god, I'm getting so emotional listening to this
right now, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
So proud of you. Are you? I'm so proud of you?
I mean, what could I say? She was wonderful, she added,
she paid homage to me, but she did her own thing,
just like Cynthia did with Adena. And recently, Adena and
I were at the La premiere and we both we
were on the red carpet. We just looked at each

(48:55):
other and went, wow. You know, you think maybe something
that you will be in once, maybe will land on
the earth and maybe someone will remember it. But never
did I think I would be alive to see it.
And you know, it's a it's I'm very grateful. I'm
very grateful for it. I'm grateful it was in the

(49:15):
hands of John Chu that it was in the hands
of Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rivo, who didn't just not
disappoint but and I believe me, I'm not getting paid.
I only speak from the from my heart. And I
was so, oh, my gosh, so proud of them, and
it was finally a release of I didn't and now

(49:37):
they're doing theirs, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, when you talk about the origin story and being
there with a Dina and creating these parts, I think

(50:04):
it's probably too simple to ask if it was hard.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
But when you were talking, I felt from you that
there's story there, like putting it together?

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Was it because we just see the final product, We
just see the oh, I mean like we see the
we see the grandness and the beauty and all that.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
But like when you were first doing it and you
were in rehearsals, was it was it hard?

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Yeah? Remember we had no template.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (50:33):
We had no There was no movie. There was a book,
but nothing like the musical. And I remember for a
long time it felt like, I mean, we were together,
but she was in her corner and I was in mine.
We were trying to figure out our own parts and
then we would come together and I just want to
brag on her for a second. She really you know,

(50:57):
I had to be a lot of the comedic relief
in that. And then and at the end, Glinda grows
and there's a lot of depth there, but a Dina.
You know, there's there's something that we're hearing over and
over right now, and it's the battle cry. I want
to make sure everybody knows how that was born, because
she probably wouldn't say it, but it was the We've

(51:18):
all heard it a million times. Yeah. I remember being
in rehearsal and I had listen. I had been given
free reign to do Glinda, and I did to the
nth degree and even wrote some of the lines. I mean,
I was busy. I was busy, but I remember the
day in rehearsal, Dina just been given the chance to

(51:41):
be green for a second for the first time, and
she was doing fine gravity and I remember at the
end it's not written, Ah, it's not written. I just
remember going let me down. Ah. And I want it

(52:02):
to be known that, you know, there's things I bore,
the hair flip, the dialogue, there's things I did, but
that's us together, and that's you know, that was us
being given free rein and was it always easy? No,
we had no, we had no, we didn't know what

(52:25):
we're doing. We opened it in San Francisco, and I
remember after coming down in the bubble and then define gravity.
I went to her intermission and I said, it ain't
gonna matter what the critics say, as the people love it.
And she was she was, oh, my god, great about
am I sounding good? Am I doing good? Shit was

(52:45):
amazing all the time.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
By the way, pause right there right, someone who we
all know as magnificent was wondering if she was okay, Like.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
We all have self doubt, we all doubt ourselves.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Hello, I was like, is it funny? Listen, no matter
who you are, no matter who you are, you're going
to question. That's I think that's one of the things
that makes people great is that they hearn so much,
they care so much, and then ultimately you have to
shud that and go it doesn't matter. I'm gonna do it.
And so when I hear Cynthia doing her version of that,

(53:23):
which is very different, I think I know where that
was born. And then Cynthia is allowed to come into
hers It's the passing of the broom, so to speak.
Wand if you're lucky enough to have something in your
career like you both have had, that you can attach

(53:43):
yourself to that. To this day, if I do a
concert and I don't sing popular or any songs that
are attached to me, I could get shot all my
money back. That's right, and I will always do it always.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
But what's really important, So this podcas was born of
our friendship and our connection on you know, a show that,
like you said, managed managed to grab.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
People and give them comfort.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
And we we we have, you know, a group of
people that have that has grown since we started, and
we call them the crew, and it's the call it Crew.
And they they write in and they call in, and
they do so with such bravery and such vulnerability. And
many times, you know, we talk about how loneliness is
a real epidemic, and it's been it's been.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Understood, stated and and and articulated.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Very well that this is happening, that there are people
who are lonely, and when people are lonely, what do
they do? And lots of times if they doubt themselves
and they write in with all these different things. But
that's but it's a real thread that's through many of them,
which is like, how do I know if I'm on
the right path, How do I know when to start
my family? How do I know about this friend that's

(54:52):
like doesn't feel right?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I really love them and I can't imagine not having them,
but this doubt, doubt, doubt, And I think it's always
so important to remember that these people that you think
are larger than life and that have no worries in
the world or just came upon this thing and magically
opened up their mouths and had this ah, and.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Then it's hard one, and that you doubt yourself and you.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Think it's not right, and you're sometimes not brave enough
to sing it the loudest and sometimes you're not even
brave enough to sing it at all, But that these
are the moments that make us human and connect us.
And so you two, having born witness to that struggle
and that definition of self and character is so important.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I'm so glad that y'all talk about these things on
your show on your podcast, because I think I don't
know how you feel, but it feels like and it
doesn't matter if you're a performer or an accountant or whatever,
no matter how successful, you get with more success or
becomes more pressure. Yeah, and I even find myself thinking,

(55:51):
oh my gosh, what am I doing here, I'm a
big loser. People can see through me. I'm just faking it. No,
that's the devil talk. And as my mother would say,
that's the negative. And we can all let it in.
We can all let it in and it doesn't it
doesn't matter who you are, you have it, and it's
it's nice to hear there's it's nice that there's conversations

(56:13):
like this that people know that no matter who you are,
famous not famous, success will not so so it doesn't matter.
We all have the insecurity. We all just do. It's
we're human.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah, yeah, you know what. I love that you said
to you.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
I love that you said that their battle cries were
different because it got me thinking, like, well, what's my
version of my battle cry?

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Very Well said yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Know, like what's mine? Oh, I'm going to hear it
later right after.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Want to do the video of that.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
It's coming. I got to practice it. I don't know
what it is, Kristen, but it's going to be pretty amazing.
It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
I think that we should encourage all women, especially women,
to find their own battle cry. Actually, because my gosh,
it's hard enough. And and to have like you two,
who are good friends, I'd love to see it women
supporting women and that it's there's room for everybody at
the top. All of this is true when I was younger.

(57:13):
I'll just tell you, when I was younger and boy
cannot talk. But when I was younger, it was not
it was you got to you got it. It's all
You're on your own. You're on your own. And now
with this women power thing, I'm thinking, thank goodness because
this is always felt natural to me. Instead of pitting women,
it would be easy. It would have been easy, I think,

(57:35):
for Adena and I to have been pitted against each other.
And I think and whenever that might have crept in,
we both went h. We have a job to do
and we have goals to create. But now it's even
like you look at Ariana and Cynthia holding each other's hand,
seeing each other. I don't mind it one bit. I'm
here for it, just like I'm here for Travis Kelsey

(57:58):
and Taylor Swift's love. I'm here.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
We're for girls, same we're here for it. We're here
for it all.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
I know.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
I'm here for the good.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
The good that I mean, it's just it's very inspiring
and I love that there's just the freedom to share it,
you know, to share the stories.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Kristin. I am thank you so much for you podcast.
You you want your number so that you can send
me videos to I.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Will send you videos from the tub.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
I want all of them. I'm not kidding. I don't
care where you are.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
One time she sent me, I went to go, like
click on the video she sent me, but it was
just dark. It was black and it was because it
was nighttime and.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
All the lights were off. But She's still send me
a video instead of a voice.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Note.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I don't even I don't care how dark it is, Kristin.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Okay, I know.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
I just love you.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
I love you guys. You're amazing.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Thank you so much. You're the best. I'm calling I'm
calling you in a minute. I love you. Goodbye. That
was literally I'm not even kidding when I say that
was one of my favorite interviews we've ever done.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I'm obsessed. It's not even funny. I'm like, I loved
her before she came on, but now I'm like next level.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
By the way, I'm gonna give you her numbers. I'm
not she's not joking. I'm not kidding. She's amazing.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
But also, can I just say something, I felt like
you were super on too, like you had great questions
and great connection points.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
It's because I'm a professional. Do you just slur when
you said professional? I mean I've been drinking. I've been drinking.
I haven't drinking. Maybe that's why battle cry. I haven't drinking.
It's because I'm a professional. Professional while your microphones.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
No, i' I held this so tight. I can't believe
Chris and I were both at the Menanda's house.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty funny. That's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Literally, I mean it sounds so cheesy, and I'm gonna
do the cheesybursion of this wrap up anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
It was literally magical. Yeah, yeah, she is. She really is.
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
And I love what she said about her husband, like
he's the best the knowing of giving yourself a break,
because that's hard. It's hard to the pressures that she
talks about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
And they really give themselves to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I mean, at least from where I've sat, like they
really like have put each other, in in each other's care,
and she and he is he's a guitarist. You know,
he's on so I mean, so they also figured out
how to do what they love together.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that's that's a challenge. And she she's no joke.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
She's on the road all the time. And really she
wanted to be one of our first guests. And she
was testing out a musical and doing a run in Boston.
And I mean truly, there was not there wasn't a
minute in her schedule. She didn't have a free hour.
I'm so grateful. I would take ten minutes with her,
but I also need her to rest.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Anyway. I loved, loved every second. Me too, Me too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Okay, well I don't. I mean, I'm not sure how.
I mean, we're gonna maybe, but how do you top that?
I think we should just stop.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
We're just gonna show up and we're just gonna call it.
And I have to go lay down. I had to process, I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Know, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Well, I'm gonna give it, gonna send you her number
and then and then we're gonna have a group chat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
How about that? Yes, I love that. Let's call it, Jess,
Let's call it the end of the episode,