April 20, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue,
Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the pot Brothers
at Law. We are the world's number one podcast for
everything cannabis.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. My name is Blue,
alongside of me of the pop Brothers in Law and
the world famous Joe Grande, and we were now tuned
into the greatest cannabis show in the world.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
In the universe, at least on my block, it is Galaxy.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Guys, Come on Galaxy.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Aw Yes, well we have a big We have an
amazing show for you guys today. Joe Grande let him
know what's going down.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Well, first off, you guys, we want to thank everyone
for listening to our podcast, Cannabis Talk one oh one
right here on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever
you get your podcast. Thank you guys so much for
checking us out.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And you know all of us. It's for twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
We just launched a four twenty pm Eastern Saturn time.
It's a big day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is very monumental.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Because we're the first cannabis talk show that I Heart
Media has partnered up with and we're here to give
you guys tons of informations about cannabis, the pros and cons,
the goods, the bads, the stories from when cannabis goes bad.
And you know we're gonna hear a lot of grumpy
stories from Craig Washerman as he's also known as mister Grumpy, right,
Craig Rumpy. Yeah, But before we start this show and
(01:23):
the big launch, we're extremely happy here. We are all
of course at our homes because you know, it's depends,
it's it's covid, bhona virus, coronavirus. We're all in our homes.
If you hear a dog barking, that's probably blues. If
you hear kids, it's probably mine our marks. If you
hear a nice lady come in and say, here's your drink,
honey and some cheese and crackers, that's probably Craigs' craigdup.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, here's your joint that's perfectly rolled for you, babe,
as he's in the.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Back room, yeah, where he can smoke and drink and
do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So you know, you may hear a few of these.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
We're sorry, it's the coronavirus for all in our spots.
But as it is, for twenty, we have about ten
virtual four twenty parties going on online in concerts and
workshops to celebrate of course this big marijuana holiday, you know,
for twenty four, A Cause for twenty at the Coffee
Joint for twenty World Record for twenty special from Nightmare
on Wax, Chronic Relief, Howls of Jane four twenty celebration
(02:23):
of course, and the High Stream four twenty Festival, the
Mile High Virtual four to twenty K, Virtual four twenty Party,
and Waldos Forever fests.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So there's so many.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Of course, the pop Brothers at Law will be at
some of those, Blue will be at some of those.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'll bee it.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
We just got asked to jump into the Pete Davidson
web sess.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Oh really yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
They hit us up and want us to do some
kind of pre recording.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well after you have finished listening to this, go listen
to that.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Yeah, So we'll be out and about everywhere. Of course
as we're recording this just before four twenty, so we'll
be out there hanging with you guys.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That being said, what does four twenty mean to you? Guys?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Where did it start? When did it kick into your life?
I mean, Blue, you grew up in a different household
than us three at least as meaning your dad grew
up with cannabis around the house, growing selling, smoking. It
was just like part of like your dad' soe tires
for allegedly a mechanic, Yeah, allegedly.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So how did it pass?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Blue? Exactly?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
You're okay now, Pops is resting in peace right now.
But my point is, how was that for you growing up?
Was there a four twenty time or when when did
that hit you?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know what four twenty for me was, you know,
naturally a time that we smoked cannabis as a youngster.
It also was a time for partying and things like that.
We'd always go out, specially because of the four twenty thing,
and be like, oh, let's go out. It's four twenty.
We're gonna get lit tonight. That was at my younger days,
you know. Nowadays, you know, it's funny because if you
catch me and it's like it's four twenty, we're like, oh,
(03:55):
we'll smoke, you know. But most of the time, you know,
it meant to a place and a time to get high,
and so that's kind of you know, where we we'd
sit down and smoke a joint.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
What about you, Joe, Well, for me growing up, you know,
I started smoking when I was six years old and
my older brother was sixteen, so I constantly always was
just smoking here and there from too young of an age.
But I remember four twenty hitting in a junior high
high school era for myself, and it takes me back
to like.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
The Bammer weed days.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
You know that brown cess Mexican weed that was in
a big old brick when you smoked in it ad
seeds and then you smoke a joint, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Seed stems.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Hey Joe, why's there got to be Mexican because we're
Mexican dogg.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
That's just what you had, and it was Mexican cess.
And if it had a little green do it, You're like, whoa,
this is a good batch. And it felt like it
was Fourth of July every time you're smoking a joint
because there was so much fireworks and popping going off
in your face. But I think of that because it's like, oh,
it's four twenty, let's go smoke one. And I remember
smoking those early on. It wasn't like to day's kids
who always have a nice flower budget, you know, to
(05:03):
roll up.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It was like, you know, put in.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
A proto pipe or something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Joe. I want to say something too, Joe, is that
you know what it is when when it actually when
it blows up, it's generally insects carcass So it's it's
actually that so the seeds usually don't blow up. It
was usually an insect that was yes, and the way
they put back in the next week. Back in the day,
there was probably.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
And we never got exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Let's start with you big brother Pop brothers at law,
Craig Washerman. I woult to suspect you're probably at U
c l A. The time the whole four twenty was
like popular. No, I think it's I placed it in
high school. Really, I was definitely in high school. I
was in high school at the time.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Here we probably junior senior year of high school, because
I believe for twenty came about around the early seventies.
I was in high school graduate in high school in seventeen,
and I think it started around my senior year where
my one buddy and I, uh who happens to be
a doctor now, where we would get high every morning
before school and every day after school at four twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And a doctor and a lawyer.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
So look at that smoking.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
We've got to make an idiot. Come on and Mark,
what about you? That's little brother.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Well, if he was in high school, I was in
junior high school because I learned it from him.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
So, you know, I was out at the house and
I hear, hey.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
I'm gonna let's meet it four twenty. I'm like, what's that?
What's what?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
What?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
What is that?
Speaker 7 (06:33):
And uh, you know, after you well, yeah, I found
I did find it in the room, and.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
That was my first experience.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But in my room, in my room.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Well if it was, it wasn't it was in my room.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
They want to be stealing, so you know, we got
to I was definitely stealing your boat back then. But
for me, it really I I really started using heavily
when I got to law school, where everybody was using heavily,
and it really was communal. It was, you know, gathering
together and passing a bunch of joints around, and which
(07:07):
you know right now, I can't do that, you know,
and I don't even know at all we're going to
be able to do that again for a couple of years,
if ever, which is kind of sad because one of
the big things about four twenty and smoking cannabis is
that whole community and and bringing people closer together and
gathering and sharing stories.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And no matter who it is, a stranger strangers, you
sit around.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
You.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Five on it, like you know, I mean, the loony's going,
who got five put the five bucks on a sack
and we're smoking the blood together.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Well, and if you go somewhere and you go outside
and you light up within seconds, So what's that smell?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Oh that smells good? Hey, yeah, come over, have a hit.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I love partying and going hey, do you smell the weed?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You smell that weed? Or or they're going yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So that's it, man.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
So what so, Joe, what's going on in the show today? No?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Before that, though, Mark, give us the story.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I know.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I think you have the whole story breakdown of what
four twenty means.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I do.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
I have the origin and Big Brother was pretty close
early seventies. So here it is in nineteen seventy one,
five high school students Steve Capper, Dave Reddicks, Jeffrey Noel,
Larry Schwartz, and Mark Gravitch and I did send messages
to these people, but I haven't heard anything back. They
were in San Rafael, California, and they called.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Them the area the Waldos.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Now you mentioned the Waldo forever Fest as one of
the un in Illinois.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, four twenty.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
So their chosen hangout spot in high school was a
wall outside the school, so they decided to call themselves
the Waldos. Now the Waldoes then designated at their high school,
the Louis Pasteur Statue, which was right on the grounds
of the high school in San Rafael, as their meeting
(09:01):
place at four to twenty pm, and that's where they
would meet and smoke and look at this treasure map
that legend had. It was a map that led to
a cannabis grove that was like centuries old or something
like that, some crazy stuff up north in the hills.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
And eventually they gave up.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
It didn't lead to anywhere, and they the phrase they
used in was for twenty.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Louis that was there.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
That was their code, which then after the whole map
search failed, they just simply said four twenty, which evolved
into code word meaning consuming cannabis for these teens.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Now, that's how it.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Started, but how it really blew up was Stephen Hager
of High Times. They say was responsible for taking that
story of the Waldos to just mind boggling cult like
extremes and suppressing all the other stories that were out there,
all the other myths. And Hagar wrote stoner smart or
(10:03):
stoner stupid? And you know it's today for twenty at
four twenty pm. I mean it is a historical time.
We're never gonna be able to celebrate four twenty for
an entire month, although celebrating it in a new fashion
online sessions have become the hit.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
For twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I figured we need a couple more twenties in there.
On the show today, Craig Washerman as your cannabis news
little brother Mark Washerman has your stories from when cannabis
goes bad. I got your go green money making stories,
and I think I'm gonna have a solution to you
guys for the economy, especially after this coronavirus, the way
cannabis can really help the environment. But now it's time
to hear from the guy who shut down the one
oh one As a rapper with his group Imperial Stars,
(10:49):
one of the best stunts ever. He actually created Cannabis
Talk one oh one. He's an author, highly sought after
public speaker, my man Blue who's out there making waves
in the cannabis world.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Brother. So, if you're looking at find out what social
media influencers are making waves, Cannabis Talk one on ones
the place to find them. However, there's an article that
came out with fifty two SMIs Joe, what's an SMI?
SMI social security? I don't know sm social money, Craig Craig,
Craig shaking myself? What about you? What about you? Mark SMI?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
I'm gonna say, suck my iguana.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Shaking, shaking, shaking my something.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Social media influencers guys, All right, come on, edumacation bro oh,
now you're the teacher. I didn't know that. Uh So,
accompanied by the name of Male high Pipes out of
Colorado comes out with this number one social media influencer
as Davin Granny. She's a good friend of ourn Granny.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
We love Granny. Yeah, she's awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Way she's the number one. How many followers do you have?
She has one point four million followers on Instagram. And
if you don't know who she is, guys, she's an
elder lady that just you know, has an amazing you
know personality, and she goes around educating people while she's smoking.
And she also goes all around the world, so people
(12:12):
follow her on adventures and tours through the cannabis community
and real quick out of the fifty two, can you
guys guess who the top five are? So let me
let me start with Joe Joe Brody, What do you got?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
I would say for cannabis influencer, Snoop Dogg has to
be up.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
In there now. Snoop Dogg's on the list but is
not on the top five.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
What about Seth?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
No good one very good? But Adam be Real, be Real,
be Real did not make the top five. So check
this out the top five, guys. Number one coming in
at Davin Granny. Number two is Purple Gloves Ah, Number
three is Customs Grow four twenty. Number four is Kawalamos
(12:58):
and yes we do know her. And can you guys
guess who Number five is?
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Angela Mazante model with all the tattoos.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Good Jason Berger? No, no, no, it's the world famous
pop brothers at Law. What man they got you guys
at number five? That's why you guys, got the blue.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Is this in the cannabis space?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
This is in the cannabis space, and these are this Yeah,
this company is actually Mile High Pipes out of Colorado.
And you know, at first, when when Dab and Granny went,
you know one, I thought, you know what, this is
going to be all Colorado people, and you know, so
I kind of thought it was biased, you know, but
then again, Davin Granny is probably one of the number
one influencers out there. And then I saw number five
(13:42):
as the pop brothers at law, which that's big.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
That means you guys are the dirtiest lawyers around the country.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Many.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
We do what we do.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
What we gotta get it done, period.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You know, man, we.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Got to people to shut the without getting some blowback.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I like it, oh for sure. For sure. Now you guys,
I want you guys to know this that you know
out there in the industry right now. As influencers, you
guys have a responsibility, Okay, So make sure you guys
are are on top of things. This is very important.
So Mile High Pipe. So they have a lot of
different accessories, glass bongs, hemp, whips, wigs. I'm sorry cleansers
(14:26):
from our friends for twenty formula for twenty and they
have a lot of different products. So we're gonna have
try and get them on the show as well to
kind of find out where they got their data from,
because I'm not sure that prop brothers that law should
have been number five.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Probably number one, probably three, two one.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I don't know was there price, was there was there
any rigs or prices along with that?
Speaker 5 (14:46):
You guys are teaching so many people on social media
the script, and you know, for those who are just
listening to the podcast for the first time, please go
over the script because this stuff has gone global.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I mean, you guys get a hit.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Up from Australia, from South Africa because it it works everywhere,
and it's not just about cannabis. It's about anything in life.
And you guys created the STFU, the hashtag SCFU, and
you know what, I commend you guys for being number
five on that list. I do think maybe even higher though,
because teach everybody the script boys.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
All right, So for those who don't know, the script
is something that my brother and I created to create
a way for citizens to engage it with law enforcement
when they're getting pulled over or in any fashion. So
we make sure to keep law enforcement and citizens safe.
And it's only twenty five words. You use it politely,
(15:36):
non aggressive, and it's goes like this, big brother, what
do you say when the cops first pull you over?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Why'd you pull me over?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
And when they start asking you questions very nicely?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
If you get pulled over today, this is the only
variant from the script that we've done for all these
your script.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
No no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
No, because of what we just could have done it
and then just do it just.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Because of these because of the coronavirus. You have to
tell them you're out for an essential that why you
would tell me, I'm not discussing what we teach. It's
not what we teach. Let's teach it how we teach it.
Let's teach it how we teach it. And you use
the variable after you say you're not discussing your day?
(16:22):
You know this, why did you put what do you
say when the cops first.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Pull you over?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Why'd you pull me over?
Speaker 6 (16:28):
And when they start asking questions?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Not discussing my day?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And he says well, and.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
He says, well, there's a stay at home order. Why
are you out?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I'm going to get my cannabis, which is essential, and
you're probably and.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
You're probably going to get more drugs like heroin.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Right, I'm not discussing my day.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Well, I don't care what you're discussing. You're going to
tell me what we got him in the trunk?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Can I go in your trunk?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Am I?
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Am?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I being detained? You're being detained.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Get out of the car, Sir.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I invoked my Fifth Amendment rights and then I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
You shut the fuck up when cops ask questions. Don't
say that to the cops, but just do it. And
that's what we teach and preacher on social media. That's
kind of gone mega viral and.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's why you guys are so what is it? The ms? I?
Is that? What it is? Blue? I have no idea?
S S SMA. I'm so lost on Craig not forgetting
the script or whatever.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I didn't forget the script. I didn't forget it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I was adding we added something in because of the.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Script with a twist.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Is what we said.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You said so many other words that no one even
knows what the script is. You should say it again?
Is that it? Though?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Blue? Is that?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Who's making waves. That's who's making waves now, the Craig
Wasserman with Cannabis Talk News.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
All right, let's get serious, let's get straight into it.
Medical and adult cannabis use has been deemed essential by
the state of California and many other states.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
The problem is that.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
That, along with it being an essential item, an essential business.
Yet all these cannabis legal state cannabis businesses are on
the brink of failure still because they can't get access
to the Paycheck Protection Program by the federal government because
under the federal rules that's illegal and it doesn't fall
(18:29):
within the PPP actch And what's even worse though, we
also have issues in certain states like Massachusetts, where they've
said that adult use as opposed to medical cannabis stores,
adult use are closed. They're not essential. Only medical stores
are essential. And what that's doing is it's causing people
(18:51):
who don't have their medical card. But, like I always say,
even if you don't have your medical card when you
ingest cans, you're medicating whether you have your card or not.
So there's a lot of people who medicate without a
card and need access to medicine.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's to get stone though, Craig.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
No, I'm they're they're sure they're still medicating.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
No, they don't all know it.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So there's a group suing the state of Massachusetts right
now on behalf of is like five stores and a
veteran combat veteran who even though he has his medical card,
there is nothing near him that medical store he can't access.
He only has access to stores that sell adult use.
So those stores are being shut down and not deemed essential.
(19:36):
And there's actually a lawsuit. I think it's going to
be going on the next day or two. Well, we'll
report back on how the judge rules on that. But
he uses it for a PTSD and he should be
able to go into a store. It's all medicate medication,
no matter what you're doing, whether you're getting high, however
you want to put it, Joe, it's still you're medicating yourself.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
And not only it sucks too for the older people.
Not only that you know a veteran right there, but
you know an older person like yourself, Craig, who can't drive.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I'm not I say you can't, but.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You know, you know what's funny, Joe? What's funny?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Joe?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And and I know you don't like when I read
stuff or quotes.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But we have a law professor, Joseph Kennedy at a
University of North Carolina, and I know Joe hates this, but.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
It's a great it's a great quote.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
What this guy. What this guy says. The fact that
yesterday's vice is considered today's essential service suggests that we
got the potential costs and benefits of marijuana use radically wrong.
It's evidence of the schizoid attitude our society has toward
drugs in general and toward marijuana in particular. What a
(20:40):
great statement.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I mean, yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Hit it right on the head.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Joseph Kennedy out of University of North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And what's better.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Also, what's happening is we have our representative from Colorado,
Ed Pearlmutter, and several other senators. They're trying to get
in the next Covis relief package from the federal government
allowing state legal cannabis businesses to participate in the program
(21:11):
where the US government is bailing out businesses.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
As they should.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
They're a normal business like everybody else. For God's sakes,
how can anybody sit there and say anything.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Different about these owners?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
They've been spending tons of money and tons of taxes
to buy all this cannabis. Legally, they're abiding by more
rules in a liquor store, for God's sakes, or any
other restaurant. And it's like, why wouldn't these people be
able to capitalize on the stimulus program.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, Carrier, I get why they can't, but I'm just
giving the argument of why they should be able to do.
They're paying all their taxes being able Actually, if not more,
they're paying more taxes every other business.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, but there.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Are way way more.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
They're also being allowed to stay open, which is awesome
and I think it's huge.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Although although although in Santa Clara County here in California,
they pulled a little doozy and I'm not sure they're
able to enforce it, but kind of like Massachusetts, they
found the county said medical stores only medical patients can
go into the store. If you don't have a medical
and you only adult use, you have to get it
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by delivery.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well that's why I kind of get that.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So what if you're a medical patient.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
What if you're a medical patient who doesn't have access
within one hundred and fifty miles of a medical store.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
But you've got an adult youth store down sure.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Only in Santa Clairic you said, Santa Clair's one hundred
and fifty.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
No, Santa clairt Santanata Clara County County. The compartend is
it's compromised of a bunch of different cities.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, you got companies in the county.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
So Khaliva, right, Khaliva's in the Santa Clara County of
the Bay area. Kaliva's a very big dispensary. It's the
one Joe montana'spent like fifty million dollars investing.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's the one that.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
My point is should do a lot of delivery services
for the whole area. And they and they're there are
now to.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Prevent a medical patient from going on. I don't I
think is wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, listen, I think the state, the state has the
ability to do that, but I don't know about the county.
You know, No, the county can.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
They're more restrictive.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
The state deemed adult use and medical stores essential, but
the county can be more restrictive. And that's what Santa
Clara County did. But in the article I read, it's
very difficult to uh to enforce because the way they're
interpreting the order from the county is that as long
as you have a medical condition, so you have to actually,
which just kind of sucks. You'd have to tell the
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people at the store, this is my medical condition. Even
if you don't have a card. It doesn't say you
have to have a card.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Oh well, there you go.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's an easy call.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I got bad hips, I got epilepsy whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, but it's still it's still problematic that you know,
it's still problematic, and the fact that the federal government
is still denying, uh, the change in this is absolutely nuts.
When when the federal government is compromised of all the states, well,
isn't it well, I think, isn't the federal government compromised
of all the states? All the United the federal House
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of Representative of Congress are from the states. Well, so
if the majority of the states wanted, why has not
federal legalization happened?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You got to you got that, Joe, Why is it
gonna be? Joe, I'm here talking to many Blue. Here's
the thing. I think it just goes back to a simple,
uh suggestion that we've all talked about, is that do
you think that the United States will come out, being
one of the most conservative states you know, to say, hey,
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cannabis is medically legal in America. There's no way they
would come out and say it was medically legal if
it was didn't have medicinal values. And I think what's
happened is the Feds are just waiting to uncover or
unreal unrevealed the the veil, if you will, or what ever,
so that they get showed out later because they have
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to do it at a slow pace because they can't
just open it up and let everybody run wild.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
And on top of that, well it's not going fast enough.
But to add to what you're saying, Blue, in my opinion,
which Blue and I have discussed back and forth with
Market Craig tons of times, more research, if we have
more research from these major major companies, that there's not enough.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Unfortunately, we need more research to show I used this research.
And here's the analogy.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Pharmaceuticals did research and got a patent on the epidy
of locks, which cannabis based medication for epilepsy. That's just
how they got They got there, know that they've had
it for a while now, a couple of years ago,
but if they can, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Why can't other people get theirs?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Because they're not spending the money the government too. Many
of the senators are in bed with high with with
tobacco and alcohol.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Not only that, and pharmaceuticals that they don't want farmercy
and that doesn't want it, either narcos or vicotin But
my point is this, we need to have a solution
where I know, for my big two hundred and sixty
five pound fat ass, I need about four advils to
get my pain down right now.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I need my to slow me down and make me
feel good.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I need to know if it's smoking half a joint,
is it two drops of teasters? Is it one edible?
Is it a half of this? We don't have that
type of research out yet. What we do, that's what
everything else is gonna pop.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's that's up to you to decide what you need
and what works for you.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
But what we need, though.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Is all of our listeners to call up their representatives
in house, representatives in Congress and flood.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
The phone lines, flood the emails.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
A need to make this federal, especially if that state
has made it legal.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
And that's what we let me do. And that's Craig
with your cannabis news.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Where do they say, Mark, Now, I was.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Just gonna follow up with what he said about contacting.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
There's websites out there like Americans for Safe Access.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
And Normal n O, r mL dot org.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Where you go on their website, do a couple of
clicks and you'll get you right to your representatives. You
do another click, put in your name and a letter
is sent automatically, very easy and.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
By no means Craig do. And I'm gonna speak for
Blue too. We wish and want what you want. Don't
get me wrong. We would all like to snap our
fingers and say yes, make it happen. But like Blue said,
slowly it's going to happen. With more research, it's going
to happen. But don't get it twisted, Craig, I wish
tonight tonight at four at four twenty am in the
morning on twenty it could happen. That'd be ideal.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But that was one of my predictions. That one of
my predictions. I was saying on four to twenty, it
might just happen. You know, in the crazy world right now,
I mean, we.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Have a president that could have done it. Hasn't done it,
said he was going to leave it to the states,
and it's completely turned around.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, but you know what he didn't do, though, is
he didn't make it illegal. He actually let the states
do their thing.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
No, no, no, not that's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
No, No, it's illegal federally, and if it wasn't for
our Congress. He tried to take the protection that we
currently have from federal prosecution for legal bis for states
and big and for business in legal states. He tried
to take the federal protections away.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well did he he completely don't want it. It happened, No,
because he doesn't pass at all. Didn't happen the Congress.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
The Congress wouldn't let him. So he hasn't done ship.
Yeah here that he could have done.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Stroke stroke, stroke, And that is the uh, that's the Brook.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Right to the spending bill that Big brothers referring to.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Well, you guys, I have a solution for our economy
once this whole coronavirus is done, and I really believe
it all comes around legalizing marijuana, because the dollars that
this could create for the economy is ridiculous. Take a
look at some of this, you guys, just think about this.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
First of all, COVID nineteen.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
You know, our producer Elvis was diagnosed with it, so
we've dealt with it on a first hand basis that allegedly,
apparently Mark might have had it, Blue Hat it. I
had it, Craig didn't have it. We all came from Colorado.
We all had all those symptoms that everybody describes, but
you know I had yes, Craig and being the old one,
he didn't, and we all were in Colorado at a dispensar.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
When we came home, we felt bad. And this was
in early March.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
But my point is, at least twenty two thousand people
have died from COVID nineteen, and in the past three weeks,
seventeen million have lost their jobs filing for unemployment. Nearly
three thousand died in September, right, And it's like thirteen
million lost their jobs doing the Great Depression, Right, So
you're looking at the Great Depression, thirteen million people, thirteen
(29:53):
million lose the jobs. Some people believe that this could
be the same type of environment that we're moving into, right,
So what could help Well, let's see what an alcohol
do when the Great Depression helps it brought in with
taxes one point three five billion dollars in federal tax
revenue in nineteen thirty four, about half of the government's
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total revenue.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So now when you look at what cannabis can do.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Nationwide, come on, you guys, look what it did the
first few months.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And what was it?
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Illinois forty three our first few days forty three million
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Ridiculous out in Illinois.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
And it's like, when is the state not every state
going to pull their head out of their ass and say,
let's make this legal because we can capitalize on making
a lot of money, even though of course some places
are hurting, but this is an essential product out there.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I'm happy Joe Biden's sticking up for Bernie Sanders now
and taking his stance on WITAS.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
He's now the big guy getting for the big push.
But your guys' thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
My kind of theory that I'm throwing out there with
some random factual numbers, I'm not making up these numbers.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Those are the numbers I see.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Well, I think, first, Joe, you got to look at
it's got to be a reasonable approach. Listen to you,
Most most states have so overtaxed regulated cannabis.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
That but even in California, mostgu but there's so many money.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They're still making money in California.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
It shouldn't be about money.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
It shouldn't be about money.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
It should be like any others, any other sales tax.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
There shouldn't be any extra.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Everything's about money. Look at look at all the autilliary.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Because it's about money. They then they overtaxed I'm talking about,
and then you get the black market. Who what's just
gonna thrive and that money does not go.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Which is about I hear you, Craig, But everyone's gonna
get a piece of pine eye. And I wish that
the tax will lower, But I'm saying in general, the
state's gonna make a lot of money off this. The
auxiliary services, from construction, marketing, legal aspects, there's so many
other jobs that come from from cannabis being legal. Like
those are just some random things that I mentioned right
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now that you need to hire to get the bud
tenders next.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So my point is you're creating so much more jobs.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
You're right though, Craig, in the aspect of we need
to follow a better plan than what California does because
California overtaxes these companies way too much. It seems like
Oklahoma's doing a decent job with what they're doing over there.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Are they getting over there?
Speaker 7 (32:26):
No, they they've they they've turned, They've turned and have
done and have done. Yeah, they've done things to upset
a lot of owners out there.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
They started changing rules on the right.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Is what's the spot out there?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, app go ap goo med foid dollars
out there. He actually, because of this coronavirus and the
stuff that the state started to do, he had to
shut down.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
He has two dispensaries out there.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
He had to shut one down, and he's got one
now up in UH in Tulsa.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
That's rocking and rolling. But it ain't it.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
It's just they make it difficult because I think a
lot of these uh dinosaur representatives that are out there
for the states, they just they see dollar signs, but
they don't understand that it's different coming into the ring.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, it needs to be worked out.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Go ahead, Craig, Yeah, I mean the doll that.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, they see the dollar signs, but they don't understand
that there's gonna be no dollar signs. There's going to
be no cannabis businesses if they're not allowed to operate
under a fair regulated system.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, and I think the real problem is that there's
a lot of cannabis companies that are still operating in
the black market, that are major that own shares or
own stock and actually own companies that are still operating
back door. So it's very hard to tax it because
there's not enough money being there. Blue, What did you.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Say that's only mostly in California because the black market
as we were in Colorado, they weren't booming in the
black market unless they're keeping it more hushshed with this.
You think Colorado, California, California hands down.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, don't get me wrong. I think the whole the
whole country is moving black market cannabis. Whatever state you're in,
and i'll tell you a get around, right, yeah, Chicago,
you know you're talking about all the devoues. But here
you're in, we're doing it. I mean they're doing it
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so here. Here's what happens, though, is is places like Oklahoma,
you take some cannabis that's been regulated here that passes
under metrics, and then it disappears and it ends up
in Oklahoma, and then they sell it over the counter.
They get to test it there. Hey, we have this
cannabis available, came from our our our grow, let's test it.
They test it, and they're selling it in stores because
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they can't produce enough of it because it's trying to
be blown out so fast. That's happening in a lot
of states allegedly, and so.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
They don't have track and trace. They don't have track
and trace.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
In Oklahoma, not not, not like we do. And even
here their track and trace here is not being regulated.
So here's what happens. I just grew x Y and
then oh it didn't sell in time, we got rid
of it. They're not monitoring it. They just don't have
a big enough web to do it. Yet. It's not
it's not like track and trace like the pharmaceutical companies,
let's say that, and even them have slippery loose holes.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, I'm Joe Grande.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
That's your go green money making segment where I could
tell you I really believe cannabis could help the economy.
I mean, there are so many many things that could
be out there. This coronavirus has affected so many people.
Mark Washerman, what's going on with cannabis goes bad.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Well, Joe, thank you very much.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
And you know, I like to rip these stories right
from the headlines, because not even you, Joe, could make
my things up. And we tried to pull the stories,
the morals out of these stories. So right here out
of Summerfield, Florida, the headline reads, domestic violence leads to
cannabis operation arrest Now deputies were called to a home
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about a domestic.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Hitting by Mary Jane.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
When they are.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I couldn't resist.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
He only wished, he only wishes, he only wishes. And
the lady, the woman told the cops that her boyfriend
she lives with, Zachariah Leon Hinman, had been drinking throughout
the day and he took her cell phone and was
looking through her messages. She said, her boyfriend followed her
to the bathroom and body slammed her to the ground. Oh,
(36:23):
pindering more and punched her, punched your numerous times in
the head. Yes, it's definitely gonna go bad for this guy.
She ran out the front door called the cops. The
deputies arrived, They immediately smell cannabis.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
The woman gives permission.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Big brother, what's that called when you give permission to
come in and search.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That's called consent.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
They gave consent to search, so these cops didn't need
to go get a warrant. The cops found three count them,
three cannabis cultivation setups, glass smoking pipes, one hundred and
thirty two thhc, eight pens, a digital scale, a vacuum sealer,
and more than four hundred and fifty grams of concentrated cannabis.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Idiot, you know, you know I was gonna say, Joe,
I was gonna say, normally, I like, you know, busting
the illegal grow isn't my favorite thing, but he freaking
deserved it.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
A matter of fact, smelling with a plant whack.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, you never.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Hit your woman.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Never never hit a woman.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Never.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
This was some It wasn't just some kind of RinkyDink operation.
This guy had two cultivation setups that had their own
air duck systems, lights, fans, and what the police described
as a ten.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Well more more more alleged.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
And a total of forty cannabis plants were found. Drug
officials also found a false wall inside the master bedroom
that had a door. They opened the door, they find
a third cannabis grow in a jacuzzi.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
You had it in a jacuzzi.
Speaker 7 (38:09):
The makeshift room had an air duck system, lights and fans.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
He had the whole thing going.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
And then he had to go do the wrong thing,
beat on his wife. And now he is facing numerous
charges including cultivation of cannabis, felony, possession of cannabis with
intent to sell, and domestic battery.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's the one moral one I think he really deserves,
because you know.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
All of it. They should throw all of it at
him for what he did to that woman.
Speaker 7 (38:39):
And I can only think of one thing when I
read this story.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
Hell, hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
She gave them consent to come right in and showed
them where everything any of that.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
So the moral of the she wasn't charged with anything, but.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Couldn't Can she get the grownuse? What if he says, oh,
she's growing it with me. What if he throws he
under the bus like that?
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Wow, I'm saying, I guess I guess he. I guess
he could try.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
But who's gonna believe the guy who just beat the
ship out of embody, slammed and punched in the head
his girlfriend. And the moral of this story is don't
piss off your woman when you have an.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Ever.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
And that, my friends, is when cannabis goes really bad.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Well there it is, guys. I want to I want
to say this man our hearts, you know, go out
to all the lost people that we've lost to coronavirus sincerely,
you know. From Cannabis Talk one on one. We want
to share our love to you guys and your families
and also the people that have lost their jobs, that
are that are going through some difficult times, you know,
(39:45):
and I really feel that that's something we want to
talk about.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Yeah, and I also also I want to say it
extended from Cannabis Talk one on one, deepest and most
heartfelt condolences to the Charlotte's family and friends from Charlotte Fiji.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
She inspired you know, the Charlotte's Web CBD.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
She passed away not too long ago, and shoot there
that whole story was just a major inspiration to the
cannabis world.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Well there it is, guys. It's Cannabis Talk one on one.
And remember, if no one else loves you.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. My name is Blue,
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
In the universe, at least on my block, it is Galaxy.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Aw Yes, well we have a big We have an
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know what's going down.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Well, first off, you guys, we want to thank everyone
for listening to our podcast, Cannabis Talk one oh one
right here on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever
you get your podcast. Thank you guys so much for
checking us out.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And you know all of us. It's for twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
We just launched a four twenty pm Eastern Saturn time.
It's a big day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is very monumental.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Because we're the first cannabis talk show that I Heart
Media has partnered up with and we're here to give
you guys tons of informations about cannabis, the pros and cons,
the goods, the bads, the stories from when cannabis goes bad.
And you know we're gonna hear a lot of grumpy
stories from Craig Washerman as he's also known as mister Grumpy, right,
Craig Rumpy. Yeah, But before we start this show and
(01:23):
the big launch, we're extremely happy here. We are all
of course at our homes because you know, it's depends,
it's it's covid, bhona virus, coronavirus. We're all in our homes.
If you hear a dog barking, that's probably blues. If
you hear kids, it's probably mine our marks. If you
hear a nice lady come in and say, here's your drink,
honey and some cheese and crackers, that's probably Craigs' craigdup.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, here's your joint that's perfectly rolled for you, babe,
as he's in the.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Back room, yeah, where he can smoke and drink and
do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So you know, you may hear a few of these.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
We're sorry, it's the coronavirus for all in our spots.
But as it is, for twenty, we have about ten
virtual four twenty parties going on online in concerts and
workshops to celebrate of course this big marijuana holiday, you know,
for twenty four, A Cause for twenty at the Coffee
Joint for twenty World Record for twenty special from Nightmare
on Wax, Chronic Relief, Howls of Jane four twenty celebration
(02:23):
of course, and the High Stream four twenty Festival, the
Mile High Virtual four to twenty K, Virtual four twenty Party,
and Waldos Forever fests.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So there's so many.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Of course, the pop Brothers at Law will be at
some of those, Blue will be at some of those.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'll bee it.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
We just got asked to jump into the Pete Davidson
web sess.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Oh really yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
They hit us up and want us to do some
kind of pre recording.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well after you have finished listening to this, go listen
to that.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Yeah, So we'll be out and about everywhere. Of course
as we're recording this just before four twenty, so we'll
be out there hanging with you guys.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That being said, what does four twenty mean to you? Guys?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Where did it start? When did it kick into your life?
I mean, Blue, you grew up in a different household
than us three at least as meaning your dad grew
up with cannabis around the house, growing selling, smoking. It
was just like part of like your dad' soe tires
for allegedly a mechanic, Yeah, allegedly.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So how did it pass?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Blue? Exactly?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
You're okay now, Pops is resting in peace right now.
But my point is, how was that for you growing up?
Was there a four twenty time or when when did
that hit you?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know what four twenty for me was, you know,
naturally a time that we smoked cannabis as a youngster.
It also was a time for partying and things like that.
We'd always go out, specially because of the four twenty thing,
and be like, oh, let's go out. It's four twenty.
We're gonna get lit tonight. That was at my younger days,
you know. Nowadays, you know, it's funny because if you
catch me and it's like it's four twenty, we're like, oh,
(03:55):
we'll smoke, you know. But most of the time, you know,
it meant to a place and a time to get high,
and so that's kind of you know, where we we'd
sit down and smoke a joint.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
What about you, Joe, Well, for me growing up, you know,
I started smoking when I was six years old and
my older brother was sixteen, so I constantly always was
just smoking here and there from too young of an age.
But I remember four twenty hitting in a junior high
high school era for myself, and it takes me back
to like.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
The Bammer weed days.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
You know that brown cess Mexican weed that was in
a big old brick when you smoked in it ad
seeds and then you smoke a joint, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Seed stems.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Hey Joe, why's there got to be Mexican because we're
Mexican dogg.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
That's just what you had, and it was Mexican cess.
And if it had a little green do it, You're like, whoa,
this is a good batch. And it felt like it
was Fourth of July every time you're smoking a joint
because there was so much fireworks and popping going off
in your face. But I think of that because it's like, oh,
it's four twenty, let's go smoke one. And I remember
smoking those early on. It wasn't like to day's kids
who always have a nice flower budget, you know, to
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roll up.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It was like, you know, put in.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
A proto pipe or something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Joe. I want to say something too, Joe, is that
you know what it is when when it actually when
it blows up, it's generally insects carcass So it's it's
actually that so the seeds usually don't blow up. It
was usually an insect that was yes, and the way
they put back in the next week. Back in the day,
there was probably.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
And we never got exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Let's start with you big brother Pop brothers at law,
Craig Washerman. I woult to suspect you're probably at U
c l A. The time the whole four twenty was
like popular. No, I think it's I placed it in
high school. Really, I was definitely in high school. I
was in high school at the time.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Here we probably junior senior year of high school, because
I believe for twenty came about around the early seventies.
I was in high school graduate in high school in seventeen,
and I think it started around my senior year where
my one buddy and I, uh who happens to be
a doctor now, where we would get high every morning
before school and every day after school at four twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And a doctor and a lawyer.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
So look at that smoking.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
We've got to make an idiot. Come on and Mark,
what about you? That's little brother.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Well, if he was in high school, I was in
junior high school because I learned it from him.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
So, you know, I was out at the house and
I hear, hey.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
I'm gonna let's meet it four twenty. I'm like, what's that?
What's what?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
What?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
What is that?
Speaker 7 (06:33):
And uh, you know, after you well, yeah, I found
I did find it in the room, and.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
That was my first experience.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But in my room, in my room.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Well if it was, it wasn't it was in my room.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
They want to be stealing, so you know, we got
to I was definitely stealing your boat back then. But
for me, it really I I really started using heavily
when I got to law school, where everybody was using heavily,
and it really was communal. It was, you know, gathering
together and passing a bunch of joints around, and which
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you know right now, I can't do that, you know,
and I don't even know at all we're going to
be able to do that again for a couple of years,
if ever, which is kind of sad because one of
the big things about four twenty and smoking cannabis is
that whole community and and bringing people closer together and
gathering and sharing stories.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And no matter who it is, a stranger strangers, you
sit around.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
You.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Five on it, like you know, I mean, the loony's going,
who got five put the five bucks on a sack
and we're smoking the blood together.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
Well, and if you go somewhere and you go outside
and you light up within seconds, So what's that smell?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Oh that smells good? Hey, yeah, come over, have a hit.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I love partying and going hey, do you smell the weed?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You smell that weed? Or or they're going yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So that's it, man.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
So what so, Joe, what's going on in the show today? No?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Before that, though, Mark, give us the story.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I know.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
I think you have the whole story breakdown of what
four twenty means.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I do.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
I have the origin and Big Brother was pretty close
early seventies. So here it is in nineteen seventy one,
five high school students Steve Capper, Dave Reddicks, Jeffrey Noel,
Larry Schwartz, and Mark Gravitch and I did send messages
to these people, but I haven't heard anything back. They
were in San Rafael, California, and they called.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Them the area the Waldos.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Now you mentioned the Waldo forever Fest as one of
the un in Illinois.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, four twenty.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
So their chosen hangout spot in high school was a
wall outside the school, so they decided to call themselves
the Waldos. Now the Waldoes then designated at their high school,
the Louis Pasteur Statue, which was right on the grounds
of the high school in San Rafael, as their meeting
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place at four to twenty pm, and that's where they
would meet and smoke and look at this treasure map
that legend had. It was a map that led to
a cannabis grove that was like centuries old or something
like that, some crazy stuff up north in the hills.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
And eventually they gave up.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
It didn't lead to anywhere, and they the phrase they
used in was for twenty.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Louis that was there.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
That was their code, which then after the whole map
search failed, they just simply said four twenty, which evolved
into code word meaning consuming cannabis for these teens.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Now, that's how it.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Started, but how it really blew up was Stephen Hager
of High Times. They say was responsible for taking that
story of the Waldos to just mind boggling cult like
extremes and suppressing all the other stories that were out there,
all the other myths. And Hagar wrote stoner smart or
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stoner stupid? And you know it's today for twenty at
four twenty pm. I mean it is a historical time.
We're never gonna be able to celebrate four twenty for
an entire month, although celebrating it in a new fashion
online sessions have become the hit.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
For twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I figured we need a couple more twenties in there.
On the show today, Craig Washerman as your cannabis news
little brother Mark Washerman has your stories from when cannabis
goes bad. I got your go green money making stories,
and I think I'm gonna have a solution to you
guys for the economy, especially after this coronavirus, the way
cannabis can really help the environment. But now it's time
to hear from the guy who shut down the one
oh one As a rapper with his group Imperial Stars,
(10:49):
one of the best stunts ever. He actually created Cannabis
Talk one oh one. He's an author, highly sought after
public speaker, my man Blue who's out there making waves
in the cannabis world.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Brother. So, if you're looking at find out what social
media influencers are making waves, Cannabis Talk one on ones
the place to find them. However, there's an article that
came out with fifty two SMIs Joe, what's an SMI?
SMI social security? I don't know sm social money, Craig Craig,
Craig shaking myself? What about you? What about you? Mark SMI?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
I'm gonna say, suck my iguana.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Shaking, shaking, shaking my something.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Social media influencers guys, All right, come on, edumacation bro oh,
now you're the teacher. I didn't know that. Uh So,
accompanied by the name of Male high Pipes out of
Colorado comes out with this number one social media influencer
as Davin Granny. She's a good friend of ourn Granny.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
We love Granny. Yeah, she's awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Way she's the number one. How many followers do you have?
She has one point four million followers on Instagram. And
if you don't know who she is, guys, she's an
elder lady that just you know, has an amazing you
know personality, and she goes around educating people while she's smoking.
And she also goes all around the world, so people
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follow her on adventures and tours through the cannabis community
and real quick out of the fifty two, can you
guys guess who the top five are? So let me
let me start with Joe Joe Brody, What do you got?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
I would say for cannabis influencer, Snoop Dogg has to
be up.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
In there now. Snoop Dogg's on the list but is
not on the top five.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
What about Seth?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
No good one very good? But Adam be Real, be Real,
be Real did not make the top five. So check
this out the top five, guys. Number one coming in
at Davin Granny. Number two is Purple Gloves Ah, Number
three is Customs Grow four twenty. Number four is Kawalamos
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and yes we do know her. And can you guys
guess who Number five is?
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Angela Mazante model with all the tattoos.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Good Jason Berger? No, no, no, it's the world famous
pop brothers at Law. What man they got you guys
at number five? That's why you guys, got the blue.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Is this in the cannabis space?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
This is in the cannabis space, and these are this Yeah,
this company is actually Mile High Pipes out of Colorado.
And you know, at first, when when Dab and Granny went,
you know one, I thought, you know what, this is
going to be all Colorado people, and you know, so
I kind of thought it was biased, you know, but
then again, Davin Granny is probably one of the number
one influencers out there. And then I saw number five
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as the pop brothers at law, which that's big.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
That means you guys are the dirtiest lawyers around the country.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Many.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
We do what we do.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
What we gotta get it done, period.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You know, man, we.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Got to people to shut the without getting some blowback.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I like it, oh for sure. For sure. Now you guys,
I want you guys to know this that you know
out there in the industry right now. As influencers, you
guys have a responsibility, Okay, So make sure you guys
are are on top of things. This is very important.
So Mile High Pipe. So they have a lot of
different accessories, glass bongs, hemp, whips, wigs. I'm sorry cleansers
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from our friends for twenty formula for twenty and they
have a lot of different products. So we're gonna have
try and get them on the show as well to
kind of find out where they got their data from,
because I'm not sure that prop brothers that law should
have been number five.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Probably number one, probably three, two one.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I don't know was there price, was there was there
any rigs or prices along with that?
Speaker 5 (14:46):
You guys are teaching so many people on social media
the script, and you know, for those who are just
listening to the podcast for the first time, please go
over the script because this stuff has gone global.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I mean, you guys get a hit.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Up from Australia, from South Africa because it it works everywhere,
and it's not just about cannabis. It's about anything in life.
And you guys created the STFU, the hashtag SCFU, and
you know what, I commend you guys for being number
five on that list. I do think maybe even higher though,
because teach everybody the script boys.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
All right, So for those who don't know, the script
is something that my brother and I created to create
a way for citizens to engage it with law enforcement
when they're getting pulled over or in any fashion. So
we make sure to keep law enforcement and citizens safe.
And it's only twenty five words. You use it politely,
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non aggressive, and it's goes like this, big brother, what
do you say when the cops first pull you over?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Why'd you pull me over?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
And when they start asking you questions very nicely?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
If you get pulled over today, this is the only
variant from the script that we've done for all these
your script.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
No no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
No, because of what we just could have done it
and then just do it just.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Because of these because of the coronavirus. You have to
tell them you're out for an essential that why you
would tell me, I'm not discussing what we teach. It's
not what we teach. Let's teach it how we teach it.
Let's teach it how we teach it. And you use
the variable after you say you're not discussing your day?
(16:22):
You know this, why did you put what do you
say when the cops first.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Pull you over?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Why'd you pull me over?
Speaker 6 (16:28):
And when they start asking questions?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Not discussing my day?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And he says well, and.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
He says, well, there's a stay at home order. Why
are you out?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I'm going to get my cannabis, which is essential, and
you're probably and.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
You're probably going to get more drugs like heroin.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Right, I'm not discussing my day.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Well, I don't care what you're discussing. You're going to
tell me what we got him in the trunk?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Can I go in your trunk?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Am I?
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Am?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I being detained? You're being detained.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Get out of the car, Sir.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I invoked my Fifth Amendment rights and then I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
You shut the fuck up when cops ask questions. Don't
say that to the cops, but just do it. And
that's what we teach and preacher on social media. That's
kind of gone mega viral and.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's why you guys are so what is it? The ms? I?
Is that? What it is? Blue? I have no idea?
S S SMA. I'm so lost on Craig not forgetting
the script or whatever.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I didn't forget the script. I didn't forget it.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I was adding we added something in because of the.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Script with a twist.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Is what we said.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You said so many other words that no one even
knows what the script is. You should say it again?
Is that it? Though?
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Blue? Is that?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Who's making waves. That's who's making waves now, the Craig
Wasserman with Cannabis Talk News.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
All right, let's get serious, let's get straight into it.
Medical and adult cannabis use has been deemed essential by
the state of California and many other states.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
The problem is that.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
That, along with it being an essential item, an essential business.
Yet all these cannabis legal state cannabis businesses are on
the brink of failure still because they can't get access
to the Paycheck Protection Program by the federal government because
under the federal rules that's illegal and it doesn't fall
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within the PPP actch And what's even worse though, we
also have issues in certain states like Massachusetts, where they've
said that adult use as opposed to medical cannabis stores,
adult use are closed. They're not essential. Only medical stores
are essential. And what that's doing is it's causing people
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who don't have their medical card. But, like I always say,
even if you don't have your medical card when you
ingest cans, you're medicating whether you have your card or not.
So there's a lot of people who medicate without a
card and need access to medicine.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's to get stone though, Craig.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
No, I'm they're they're sure they're still medicating.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
No, they don't all know it.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So there's a group suing the state of Massachusetts right
now on behalf of is like five stores and a
veteran combat veteran who even though he has his medical card,
there is nothing near him that medical store he can't access.
He only has access to stores that sell adult use.
So those stores are being shut down and not deemed essential.
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And there's actually a lawsuit. I think it's going to
be going on the next day or two. Well, we'll
report back on how the judge rules on that. But
he uses it for a PTSD and he should be
able to go into a store. It's all medicate medication,
no matter what you're doing, whether you're getting high, however
you want to put it, Joe, it's still you're medicating yourself.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
And not only it sucks too for the older people.
Not only that you know a veteran right there, but
you know an older person like yourself, Craig, who can't drive.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I'm not I say you can't, but.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You know, you know what's funny, Joe? What's funny?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Joe?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And and I know you don't like when I read
stuff or quotes.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But we have a law professor, Joseph Kennedy at a
University of North Carolina, and I know Joe hates this, but.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
It's a great it's a great quote.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
What this guy. What this guy says. The fact that
yesterday's vice is considered today's essential service suggests that we
got the potential costs and benefits of marijuana use radically wrong.
It's evidence of the schizoid attitude our society has toward
drugs in general and toward marijuana in particular. What a
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great statement.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I mean, yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Hit it right on the head.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Joseph Kennedy out of University of North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And what's better.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Also, what's happening is we have our representative from Colorado,
Ed Pearlmutter, and several other senators. They're trying to get
in the next Covis relief package from the federal government
allowing state legal cannabis businesses to participate in the program
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where the US government is bailing out businesses.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
As they should.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
They're a normal business like everybody else. For God's sakes,
how can anybody sit there and say anything.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Different about these owners?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
They've been spending tons of money and tons of taxes
to buy all this cannabis. Legally, they're abiding by more
rules in a liquor store, for God's sakes, or any
other restaurant. And it's like, why wouldn't these people be
able to capitalize on the stimulus program.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, Carrier, I get why they can't, but I'm just
giving the argument of why they should be able to do.
They're paying all their taxes being able Actually, if not more,
they're paying more taxes every other business.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, but there.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Are way way more.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
They're also being allowed to stay open, which is awesome
and I think it's huge.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Although although although in Santa Clara County here in California,
they pulled a little doozy and I'm not sure they're
able to enforce it, but kind of like Massachusetts, they
found the county said medical stores only medical patients can
go into the store. If you don't have a medical
and you only adult use, you have to get it
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by delivery.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well that's why I kind of get that.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So what if you're a medical patient.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
What if you're a medical patient who doesn't have access
within one hundred and fifty miles of a medical store.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
But you've got an adult youth store down sure.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Only in Santa Clairic you said, Santa Clair's one hundred
and fifty.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
No, Santa clairt Santanata Clara County County. The compartend is
it's compromised of a bunch of different cities.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, you got companies in the county.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
So Khaliva, right, Khaliva's in the Santa Clara County of
the Bay area. Kaliva's a very big dispensary. It's the
one Joe montana'spent like fifty million dollars investing.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
It's the one that.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
My point is should do a lot of delivery services
for the whole area. And they and they're there are
now to.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Prevent a medical patient from going on. I don't I
think is wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, listen, I think the state, the state has the
ability to do that, but I don't know about the county.
You know, No, the county can.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
They're more restrictive.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
The state deemed adult use and medical stores essential, but
the county can be more restrictive. And that's what Santa
Clara County did. But in the article I read, it's
very difficult to uh to enforce because the way they're
interpreting the order from the county is that as long
as you have a medical condition, so you have to actually,
which just kind of sucks. You'd have to tell the
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people at the store, this is my medical condition. Even
if you don't have a card. It doesn't say you
have to have a card.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Oh well, there you go.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's an easy call.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I got bad hips, I got epilepsy whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, but it's still it's still problematic that you know,
it's still problematic, and the fact that the federal government
is still denying, uh, the change in this is absolutely nuts.
When when the federal government is compromised of all the states, well,
isn't it well, I think, isn't the federal government compromised
of all the states? All the United the federal House
(24:12):
of Representative of Congress are from the states. Well, so
if the majority of the states wanted, why has not
federal legalization happened?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You got to you got that, Joe, Why is it
gonna be? Joe, I'm here talking to many Blue. Here's
the thing. I think it just goes back to a simple,
uh suggestion that we've all talked about, is that do
you think that the United States will come out, being
one of the most conservative states you know, to say, hey,
(24:42):
cannabis is medically legal in America. There's no way they
would come out and say it was medically legal if
it was didn't have medicinal values. And I think what's
happened is the Feds are just waiting to uncover or
unreal unrevealed the the veil, if you will, or what ever,
so that they get showed out later because they have
(25:02):
to do it at a slow pace because they can't
just open it up and let everybody run wild.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
And on top of that, well it's not going fast enough.
But to add to what you're saying, Blue, in my opinion,
which Blue and I have discussed back and forth with
Market Craig tons of times, more research, if we have
more research from these major major companies, that there's not enough.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Unfortunately, we need more research to show I used this research.
And here's the analogy.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Pharmaceuticals did research and got a patent on the epidy
of locks, which cannabis based medication for epilepsy. That's just
how they got They got there, know that they've had
it for a while now, a couple of years ago,
but if they can, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Why can't other people get theirs?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Because they're not spending the money the government too. Many
of the senators are in bed with high with with
tobacco and alcohol.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
Not only that, and pharmaceuticals that they don't want farmercy
and that doesn't want it, either narcos or vicotin But
my point is this, we need to have a solution
where I know, for my big two hundred and sixty
five pound fat ass, I need about four advils to
get my pain down right now.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I need my to slow me down and make me
feel good.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I need to know if it's smoking half a joint,
is it two drops of teasters? Is it one edible?
Is it a half of this? We don't have that
type of research out yet. What we do, that's what
everything else is gonna pop.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's that's up to you to decide what you need
and what works for you.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
But what we need, though.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Is all of our listeners to call up their representatives
in house, representatives in Congress and flood.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
The phone lines, flood the emails.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
A need to make this federal, especially if that state
has made it legal.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
And that's what we let me do. And that's Craig
with your cannabis news.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Where do they say, Mark, Now, I was.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Just gonna follow up with what he said about contacting.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
There's websites out there like Americans for Safe Access.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
And Normal n O, r mL dot org.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Where you go on their website, do a couple of
clicks and you'll get you right to your representatives. You
do another click, put in your name and a letter
is sent automatically, very easy and.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
By no means Craig do. And I'm gonna speak for
Blue too. We wish and want what you want. Don't
get me wrong. We would all like to snap our
fingers and say yes, make it happen. But like Blue said,
slowly it's going to happen. With more research, it's going
to happen. But don't get it twisted, Craig, I wish
tonight tonight at four at four twenty am in the
morning on twenty it could happen. That'd be ideal.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But that was one of my predictions. That one of
my predictions. I was saying on four to twenty, it
might just happen. You know, in the crazy world right now,
I mean, we.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Have a president that could have done it. Hasn't done it,
said he was going to leave it to the states,
and it's completely turned around.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, but you know what he didn't do, though, is
he didn't make it illegal. He actually let the states
do their thing.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
No, no, no, not that's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
No, No, it's illegal federally, and if it wasn't for
our Congress. He tried to take the protection that we
currently have from federal prosecution for legal bis for states
and big and for business in legal states. He tried
to take the federal protections away.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well did he he completely don't want it. It happened, No,
because he doesn't pass at all. Didn't happen the Congress.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
The Congress wouldn't let him. So he hasn't done ship.
Yeah here that he could have done.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Stroke stroke, stroke, And that is the uh, that's the Brook.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Right to the spending bill that Big brothers referring to.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Well, you guys, I have a solution for our economy
once this whole coronavirus is done, and I really believe
it all comes around legalizing marijuana, because the dollars that
this could create for the economy is ridiculous. Take a
look at some of this, you guys, just think about this.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
First of all, COVID nineteen.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
You know, our producer Elvis was diagnosed with it, so
we've dealt with it on a first hand basis that allegedly,
apparently Mark might have had it, Blue Hat it. I
had it, Craig didn't have it. We all came from Colorado.
We all had all those symptoms that everybody describes, but
you know I had yes, Craig and being the old one,
he didn't, and we all were in Colorado at a dispensar.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
When we came home, we felt bad. And this was
in early March.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
But my point is, at least twenty two thousand people
have died from COVID nineteen, and in the past three weeks,
seventeen million have lost their jobs filing for unemployment. Nearly
three thousand died in September, right, And it's like thirteen
million lost their jobs doing the Great Depression, Right, So
you're looking at the Great Depression, thirteen million people, thirteen
(29:53):
million lose the jobs. Some people believe that this could
be the same type of environment that we're moving into, right,
So what could help Well, let's see what an alcohol
do when the Great Depression helps it brought in with
taxes one point three five billion dollars in federal tax
revenue in nineteen thirty four, about half of the government's
(30:15):
total revenue.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So now when you look at what cannabis can do.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Nationwide, come on, you guys, look what it did the
first few months.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And what was it?
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Illinois forty three our first few days forty three million
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Ridiculous out in Illinois.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
And it's like, when is the state not every state
going to pull their head out of their ass and say,
let's make this legal because we can capitalize on making
a lot of money, even though of course some places
are hurting, but this is an essential product out there.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Now.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I'm happy Joe Biden's sticking up for Bernie Sanders now
and taking his stance on WITAS.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
He's now the big guy getting for the big push.
But your guys' thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
My kind of theory that I'm throwing out there with
some random factual numbers, I'm not making up these numbers.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Those are the numbers I see.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Well, I think, first, Joe, you got to look at
it's got to be a reasonable approach. Listen to you,
Most most states have so overtaxed regulated cannabis.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
That but even in California, mostgu but there's so many money.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They're still making money in California.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
It shouldn't be about money.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
It shouldn't be about money.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
It should be like any others, any other sales tax.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
There shouldn't be any extra.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Everything's about money. Look at look at all the autilliary.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Because it's about money. They then they overtaxed I'm talking about,
and then you get the black market. Who what's just
gonna thrive and that money does not go.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Which is about I hear you, Craig, But everyone's gonna
get a piece of pine eye. And I wish that
the tax will lower, But I'm saying in general, the
state's gonna make a lot of money off this. The
auxiliary services, from construction, marketing, legal aspects, there's so many
other jobs that come from from cannabis being legal. Like
those are just some random things that I mentioned right
(32:04):
now that you need to hire to get the bud
tenders next.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
So my point is you're creating so much more jobs.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
You're right though, Craig, in the aspect of we need
to follow a better plan than what California does because
California overtaxes these companies way too much. It seems like
Oklahoma's doing a decent job with what they're doing over there.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Are they getting over there?
Speaker 7 (32:26):
No, they they've they they've turned, They've turned and have
done and have done. Yeah, they've done things to upset
a lot of owners out there.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
They started changing rules on the right.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Is what's the spot out there?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, app go ap goo med foid dollars
out there. He actually, because of this coronavirus and the
stuff that the state started to do, he had to
shut down.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
He has two dispensaries out there.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
He had to shut one down, and he's got one
now up in UH in Tulsa.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
That's rocking and rolling. But it ain't it.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
It's just they make it difficult because I think a
lot of these uh dinosaur representatives that are out there
for the states, they just they see dollar signs, but
they don't understand that it's different coming into the ring.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, it needs to be worked out.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Go ahead, Craig, Yeah, I mean the doll that.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, they see the dollar signs, but they don't understand
that there's gonna be no dollar signs. There's going to
be no cannabis businesses if they're not allowed to operate
under a fair regulated system.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Well, and I think the real problem is that there's
a lot of cannabis companies that are still operating in
the black market, that are major that own shares or
own stock and actually own companies that are still operating
back door. So it's very hard to tax it because
there's not enough money being there. Blue, What did you.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Say that's only mostly in California because the black market
as we were in Colorado, they weren't booming in the
black market unless they're keeping it more hushshed with this.
You think Colorado, California, California hands down.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, don't get me wrong. I think the whole the
whole country is moving black market cannabis. Whatever state you're in,
and i'll tell you a get around, right, yeah, Chicago,
you know you're talking about all the devoues. But here
you're in, we're doing it. I mean they're doing it
(34:20):
so here. Here's what happens, though, is is places like Oklahoma,
you take some cannabis that's been regulated here that passes
under metrics, and then it disappears and it ends up
in Oklahoma, and then they sell it over the counter.
They get to test it there. Hey, we have this
cannabis available, came from our our our grow, let's test it.
They test it, and they're selling it in stores because
(34:42):
they can't produce enough of it because it's trying to
be blown out so fast. That's happening in a lot
of states allegedly, and so.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
They don't have track and trace. They don't have track
and trace.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
In Oklahoma, not not, not like we do. And even
here their track and trace here is not being regulated.
So here's what happens. I just grew x Y and
then oh it didn't sell in time, we got rid
of it. They're not monitoring it. They just don't have
a big enough web to do it. Yet. It's not
it's not like track and trace like the pharmaceutical companies,
let's say that, and even them have slippery loose holes.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, I'm Joe Grande.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
That's your go green money making segment where I could
tell you I really believe cannabis could help the economy.
I mean, there are so many many things that could
be out there. This coronavirus has affected so many people.
Mark Washerman, what's going on with cannabis goes bad.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Well, Joe, thank you very much.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
And you know, I like to rip these stories right
from the headlines, because not even you, Joe, could make
my things up. And we tried to pull the stories,
the morals out of these stories. So right here out
of Summerfield, Florida, the headline reads, domestic violence leads to
cannabis operation arrest Now deputies were called to a home
(35:54):
about a domestic.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Hitting by Mary Jane.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
When they are.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I couldn't resist.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
He only wished, he only wishes, he only wishes. And
the lady, the woman told the cops that her boyfriend
she lives with, Zachariah Leon Hinman, had been drinking throughout
the day and he took her cell phone and was
looking through her messages. She said, her boyfriend followed her
to the bathroom and body slammed her to the ground. Oh,
(36:23):
pindering more and punched her, punched your numerous times in
the head. Yes, it's definitely gonna go bad for this guy.
She ran out the front door called the cops. The
deputies arrived, They immediately smell cannabis.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
The woman gives permission.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Big brother, what's that called when you give permission to
come in and search.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That's called consent.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
They gave consent to search, so these cops didn't need
to go get a warrant. The cops found three count them,
three cannabis cultivation setups, glass smoking pipes, one hundred and
thirty two thhc, eight pens, a digital scale, a vacuum sealer,
and more than four hundred and fifty grams of concentrated cannabis.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Idiot, you know, you know I was gonna say, Joe,
I was gonna say, normally, I like, you know, busting
the illegal grow isn't my favorite thing, but he freaking
deserved it.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
A matter of fact, smelling with a plant whack.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Yeah, you never.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Hit your woman.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Never never hit a woman.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Never.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
This was some It wasn't just some kind of RinkyDink operation.
This guy had two cultivation setups that had their own
air duck systems, lights, fans, and what the police described
as a ten.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Well more more more alleged.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
And a total of forty cannabis plants were found. Drug
officials also found a false wall inside the master bedroom
that had a door. They opened the door, they find
a third cannabis grow in a jacuzzi.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
You had it in a jacuzzi.
Speaker 7 (38:09):
The makeshift room had an air duck system, lights and fans.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
He had the whole thing going.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
And then he had to go do the wrong thing,
beat on his wife. And now he is facing numerous
charges including cultivation of cannabis, felony, possession of cannabis with
intent to sell, and domestic battery.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's the one moral one I think he really deserves,
because you know.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
All of it. They should throw all of it at
him for what he did to that woman.
Speaker 7 (38:39):
And I can only think of one thing when I
read this story.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
Hell, hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
She gave them consent to come right in and showed
them where everything any of that.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
So the moral of the she wasn't charged with anything, but.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Couldn't Can she get the grownuse? What if he says, oh,
she's growing it with me. What if he throws he
under the bus like that?
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Wow, I'm saying, I guess I guess he. I guess
he could try.
Speaker 7 (39:07):
But who's gonna believe the guy who just beat the
ship out of embody, slammed and punched in the head
his girlfriend. And the moral of this story is don't
piss off your woman when you have an.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
Ever.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
And that, my friends, is when cannabis goes really bad.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Well there it is, guys. I want to I want
to say this man our hearts, you know, go out
to all the lost people that we've lost to coronavirus sincerely,
you know. From Cannabis Talk one on one. We want
to share our love to you guys and your families
and also the people that have lost their jobs, that
are that are going through some difficult times, you know,
(39:45):
and I really feel that that's something we want to
talk about.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Yeah, and I also also I want to say it
extended from Cannabis Talk one on one, deepest and most
heartfelt condolences to the Charlotte's family and friends from Charlotte Fiji.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
She inspired you know, the Charlotte's Web CBD.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
She passed away not too long ago, and shoot there
that whole story was just a major inspiration to the
cannabis world.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Well there it is, guys. It's Cannabis Talk one on one.
And remember, if no one else loves you.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
We do. Thank you for listening to Cannabis Talk one
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Joe Grande
Marc Wasserman
Craig Wasserman
Christopher Wright (Blue)
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