Legendary Big Steve Parish from the Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia Band & CEO of Grizzly Peak Farms, Mr Dave Gash.

Big Steve Parish has been a primary member of the grateful dead for 50 years. Big Steve teamed up with the CEO of Grizzly Peak to create Big Steve’s Egyptian Kush. A strain that honors the Grateful Dead family and its Egyptian origins! Grizzly Peak is a California based indoor farm of pesticide free, premium cannabis flowers. Since 2017 Grizzly Peak has given recreational and medical users the ultimate cannabis flower experience.   

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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with Blue and of course Joe Grande myself. Blue is
not here today and he's missing a good one. Folks.
We got my new partner, I got by I think
Dave gash right when I say by new partner, folks,
Grizzly Peaks has taken over not only the fucking cannabis game,
now they're taking over Cannabis Talk one on one. It
looks like, well, what what what it is? Blue on

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vacation or well, you know, he can't be with us today.
I mean only grateful dead cast cats, Rube here, only
Big Steve. But my point is an only fucking big day,
but no big deal. Right that being said, he is
doing something very big today for us, and half the
team is the air and half the team is here
rights and literally they're on a private fucking plane flying
up north to go to Loyll Farms to go to

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this thing, to go to this thing with Big Mike
and their film and they were doing a bill big thing.
So in fairness, we apologize first of all to you
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and whistles here. But that's where they're at. But all
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And uh, a matter of fact, I got this pin
in my pocket, which is your pin? I don't want
to forget because I'm not a pin stealer. So come
get it right now, Daniel Son, come walk on set,
because this is what happened in life, Folks. How many
times do we walk away with someone's pin and lighter
and everything else? And that was your dime pin that
I brought for you earlier day. You put the top
bond at the bottom, but it's yours, so there we go.
I want to keep that in my pocket. All that

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being said, you already heard me talk for a minute
to Dave CEO Grizzly Peak Farms Senior, Dave Gash you guys,
Grizzly Peak Farms dot com. And he's now what I
consider a personal friend of mine. He's been a former
guest on the show. You heard him come here with
just some little rappers here and there that he puts

(02:34):
together and then some big rock stars. I mean, just
do the Grizzly peaked up comps. You can understand who
the man is, But for me, who the man is is.
Dave and I were texting, and I want you to
hear this story too, because I'm sure Big Steve you
already know about this guy. What the character of this
dude is right, but I want the listeners to know
how this man touched my quotas on which is my heart.

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We hit it off, just dude, two dude on the show,
had a great time. Conversation has two men sit up
here and I interview a man and it's always fun.
And then we hit it off and you know, exchanged numbers,
which and to be quite frank with everybody listening, I
just don't give my number to everybody, nor do I
ask people for numbers to everybody. I just don't. It's
not my fucking thing. But people that I have a
gut feeling that I like I do right. So I
asked Dave for his number, and I don't know if

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he's the same way. I'm not saying he's not. I'm
just saying how I am right. And so therefore he
was nice enough to give me his phone number and
we exchanged numbers. We had a conversation later because my
fiftieth birthday was coming up. The man offers to make
a Joe Grande fiftieth joint. I damn your ship my
pants right, Oh my god, it's the best thing that's

(03:39):
ever happened to me. Type feeling like you have right,
like I'm gonna have one of these big Like I'm
comparable to Big Steve, whoa was how I feel right,
I'm combarrel big Draco whoa like I. That's the feeling
I'm getting, folks. I wanted to describe to people listening
how Joe Grande felt from this man. That's why he's
my personal friend and I'll do anything for him, like
I said, because he made me feel something that I

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just admired love from him and he didn't need to
fucking do whatever. And he never knew he was gonna
come back to get this praise on the show either,
so it wasn't like he did it for this. I'm
giving this to him for the listeners who know what
happens behind the scenes, because he does this without being
praised for so now he's getta get praised for it,
whether he likes it or not, because he's on the
show and I have the mic and he does this

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for me, and I cry and he sets up everybody.
You guys, I come to my fiftieth birthday, Big Stephen,
This fucking dude right here, Ben's mountains because he sends
me a text, go and I'm gonna get it to you.
When's your party next week? I go, no, it's like
this week, but don't trip like and I'm on that
don't trip, thank you, and he goes, oh, I can
just feel it, right, I could feel what he had

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to do, like without even you saying what you had
to do. It just I knew, Dave, and I didn't
even expect it. So that's why I greatly greatly appreciate it.
And that's why before the show, all I said was
thank you to you ten times. That thank you ten
times with me holding back all this calm reversation that
I wanted to say to your face, but I didn't

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want to not say thank you to your face the
first time I see you enough to let you know
all that was this and thank you, And that's from
the sincere bottom of the heart. Dog, You're a good dude.
I really appreciate that you cod for the motherfucker. That's
who this dude is. And I got a big induction
for this dude. But that was just off top of

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you because I know you, so I got to talk
about you for because you brought him, so for you
bringing him, that's your love. Now, folks, let listen to
what we got on the show. I can carry on
and you can just hold that in your heart, Dave,
and people out there, you could hold that in your mind.
When you look at Grizzly Peak Farms and you think
of a cannabis company, well think of the man that
owns it in that story that I just told you,

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because that's the type of fucking company that is. Is
why I told you that story. That story reflects who
Grizzly Peak Farms are, and that is the reason why
I wanted to tell that story, because the man is
the CEO of the company, and this is who the
man is. And he had nothing to do, without any praise,
without no knowledge of this. That all being said, folks,

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now that I did that, and I feel better in
my heart because it was my fiftieth birthday and it
was fucking one of the highlights of my thing. And
I still haven't at my home and it still sits
in my office at my home. So I see you
every day. You're a part of my life every day,
you know what I'm saying. Dog Like, right there to
where my wife goes, the office smells like we go.
That's Grizzly Peak farms like it's fucking You're a part

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of my life. I've had an argument because of you.
You know what I'm saying, Like, I love you now, folks,
this is big for everybody in the world because this
right here is one of those iconic things that's happening
right here on Cannabis Talk one I want, folks, and
I'm talking about Big Steve Harris, and not only the stories,

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but let's just go off the He's an author of
this book called What Home Before Daylight? My Life on
the Road with the Grateful Dead. Let me just tell
you a little bit about Big Steve, you guys. In
this book, it's the untold story of the Life on
the Road with the Grateful Dead, written by an insider
who lived from the early days to today. And right

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now he's sitting right here to the left of me.
Steve Parrish was never wanted to walk the straight and narrow,
not even now, folks, even during his childhood growing up
and Flushing Meadow, Queens busted as a teenager for selling
acid in the summer of nineteen you gotta tab on
you right now, I might take one Parish landed in

(07:30):
Riker Side, and folks, maybe I wouldn't, but it just
take me back to taking some tabs. The experience chased him,
and after getting out, he did his best to stay
out of trouble, securing a job moving musical equipment at
the New York State Pavilion Congratulations. The first show he
worked was you Guessed It? A Grateful Dead concert in

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July of nineteen sixty nine, and Parish was captivated by
the music. Funk who wasn't a life seemingly headed nowhere
had suddenly found its calling and he this man right
next to me, fell in quickly with a band like
minded misfits who formed the nucleus of what we be

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the greatest road crew in rock and roll history. Paris
then traveled to California, right here in the Golden State,
where his appreciation began, you guys, as apprenticeship, that's where
his appreciation for everything started, really because this apprenticeship working
for the band for free, as we just talked about
this ironically in my office today, and learning his craft,

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Parish got to know Jerry, Bobby, feel Billy, and Mickey,
and through the years the relationship formed an unbreakable bond.
He became very close with Garcia in particular, acting as
his personal roadie and later managed for his solo performance
as You Guys and the Garcia and Shows. He was

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there during times of trouble, well like when a fucking
pimpo helped Garcia hostage at gunpoint in New York City
at a hotel room, spending hours by his bedside, when
Garcia was in a coma in nineteen and performing the
duties of best man at his wedding. And he was

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also the last friend to see Garcia alive. Throughout You Guys,
the Dad's historical run, there was parties of biblical, proportional
and celebrity run ins with everybody from Bob Dylan to
Frank Sinatra Funk. Those are some of the greatest names
you ever heard in the history. But there was a
dark side to life on the road. That tragedy didn't

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just strike the musicians. But Home before Daylight is a
story of friendship, of music and redemption. It's a piece
of music history, one that reflects the American spirit of
adventures and brotherhood seen through this man's eyes right here
next to us, Steve Parishes and his whole experiences. The

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Grateful Dead's Wild run has never been so revealing folks
go by this book and get his cannabis. As he
partnered with Grizzly Peak Farms recently, he decided to team
up with the growers at Grizzly Peak to bring this
mysterious strain to life and share with the public what

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They took the seeds and crossed them with gelato and
London pound cake sent The final product is right here, folks,
Big Steve's Egyptian cush, a strain that honors the grateful
Dead family and it's Egyptian origins. Welcome to the show, brother,

(10:47):
thank you, thank you for having me. And I gotta
say something right here that you know, you mentioned Dave
Cash and he's the reason why Grizzly Peak is in
my life too. Because there were so many people Joe,
that were following us around on Dead and Company tour,
and they knew that I was the pop guy, you know,

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always was the center point of that always had the
weed for everybody, and we smoked it together and everybody shared.
But when it came to a point where people wanted
to give me samples all the companies that there are
in California, I knew right away when I met Dave

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and I tasted Grizzly Peak, and I'm not just saying this.
It was the best indoor weed I smoked. Oh, you
haven't smoked too much weed, probably have you? You know,
I started smoking when I was fifteen, and that was
nineteen toy with the grateful dick up on. I just imagined, well,
I was saying earlier. You know, girls had something we

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wanted so they could come to the shows and we
get them. But guys, they had to bring something, and
they brought drugs, and they would bring us pounds of
Colombian weed, pounds of Mexican weed. And I'm talking about
Mexican weed. That was the most beautiful lime green with
red seed caps and incredible up high that Jerry loved it,

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and all the musicians in the Bay Area loved it
and they smoke it. Now in my little biography there
you understand when I wrote that book, a lot of
people were still alive. I couldn't tell all the truth
about something, and so you know, I just love that
read on that book though. That's why I chose that one.
I mean, I see so many other things that you
guys have. Side is great on Grizzy Peak, but that
about The book to me was just very it's deep,

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it's great, you know, I was, you know, it's good.
But I wanted to say that I came to San
Francisco first. I came to San Francisco first, uh in,
and that's when I met The Grateful Dead. Then I
took something back from there to New York and tried
to make some quick money and that was popped, and

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now was at LSD and it turned out to be
the big sale of all time at that time, a
hundred tabs and the big old sheets. Uh No, it
was in uh capsule and it was made by Osley
and I couldn't talk about that. He was alive and

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we had a thing, you know, in the Grateful We
didn't talk about what we did. We never did no
side hustle, so we're just a band. That summer I
lived at Brady Alley in San Francisco and I was
standing on the street smoking a cigarette and here comes
from Amrod. I didn't even know it was him, and
he was unloading the truck and I just walked over
there to help him, and we became friends, and that

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was my end to everything. Then I got laid up
with the bust but my father was smart enough to
pay a judge off man. Otherwise I would have been
going away for a long time. Well he was. It's
harder the judge came out of time. That pucked it

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out right. Yeah, you watched that one. There was a
good one. You know. If you notice, it's it's a
hot seat to be a judge. It always has been
a hot seat. But in the grateful day, if we're
grabbing and pulled you, if you'd like to sit back, yeah,
you know. A couple of times on the road we
would get busted all the time because we smoked pot
everywhere we went. Right, where's a good one. Give me
a good story of a bus. What happened? I go, okay,

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I was taking this one. We were driving outside of all.
I gotta smoke a cigar today, folks. If those are
watching and listen, I'm smoking a cigar to I'm like, fun,
you guys are here, I just my good new friends here.
I told you why I love you. I'm smoking a
cigar with my buddies. Enjoy. Yeah, I mean, let's go. Well,
that just makes it just And now you gotta like
one of your big Steve's right, it's rocking roll. That's

(14:41):
what I wanted, and that's why I'm like, I want
to sit back. I want to I did, I got
my prep done, I did some. I'm good. I want
to hear your stories, brother, so tell me a good
you know. I mean the police were always on our ship,
you know. So one time we're playing with the Jerry
Garcia band. Now this was something that happened to me
because being at the right place at the right time,
and so as soon as I got off the bus,

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I went back to San Francisco. I already knew the
guys because I had moved them with Ramrod when people
were moving. So now Jerry standing in front of Olembic
where we worked on Judah and nine and we had
a studio there that Ousley had and he said, he
who's gonna take my amp and guitar? Me and Ramrod
were standing there and he said would you uh, he
asked Rambrod, would he take it over to the matrix?

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You know, he was playing with Howard Wales, who was
Howie Wowie, who had the best weed. He is the
guy it's like the Mai you guys called Howard Wales.
Oh yes, he was the pot dealer in the Hate
Ashbury and he had what we're called Prince Albert cans
and they opened with a flip top lid, and that's

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where the word lid came from. I didn't even know.
I thought the lid was a leader when I first
came out there, and then Hayton Ashbury the homies there,
I swear. So he was a great musician. He was
a good musician. He was in a band called the
green Man and he was in some crazy band bird
bird bird as a word, but Jerry loved the way
he played and he was great. So they started playing

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in the nightclubs and I was lucky enough to be
there and Jerry I took his zamp and guitar and
he that was a whole world. It opened up, man,
because we just hung out in all the nightclubs, smoked weed,
and then we had the Grateful Dad growing at the
same time. So to become part of that world was
just incredible. But it all started with me doing a

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good deed and walking across the street and helping Ramrod
lift their cabinet, a bass cabinet, which I didn't even
know what a bass cabinet was, but he began trying
to be of service, so to speak, seeing a duty
to help with that. And that's why I'm saying, that's
the moral of the story. And there's a moral to that, like, oh,
how are you coming to a legendary by that fucking act?

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That act something like this? I mean, you know you
were mentioned, well you worked for free because you know
why you worked for free? Because I was a big,
strong kid, right and our choices were limited in those
days to either you're going to Vietnam or you're going
to jail, Steve, because everybody in the band had problems
with jail or reform school when we're kids. When I
got sent to Rikers, you know what that did for me,

(17:11):
that fucking straightened my ass out up. I smartened up, said,
no longer am I gonna fall for this bullshit? Man?
We gonna do? I want to be spending my life
in the cell? Fuck? No. So there here we are
on the road now, and we were big guys, you know,
Jackson Ramrod. They'd come from Pendleton, Oregon, and they were

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pranksters originally and with Kesey and the Pranksters who were
the drug taking people of all time. And so here
they come bringing those guys and this starts the crew
and LSD was everywhere, the acid tests and the grateful dead.
So you had to prove yourself. That's why you were around,
because you had to be able to take acid big doses.
We took what we called heroic doses and still be

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able to work. Function and function you bet are you're
a pussy and you're out of here. And guess what, Joe,
we didn't have fucking cell phones. We didn't have fucking
uh anything. A little piece of paper with a phone
number on it to call a promoter. That's your rolling
going on. That's the wall and a cord that's hanging
on it that you're walking around the kitchen, cooking dinner

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and talking to doing business, going hold on, I'm trying
to get this ready and still do this on a
cord that's hanging and you can only goes hold on
a second. Why I gotta get the milk out the fridge.
But we always brought weed though. That's the one thing
we always had with us. Weed was the thing in
our lives. Man. It was everywhere. Everybody loved it and
smoked it because weed is a psychedelic, it really is.

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And if you had the strong stuff. We always had
the best. Thank goodness. You know, people say now weed
is as stronger, I mean weed stronger. Now some of
it's just as good. Let me say that. But those
strange we were smoking incredible. Let me ask you, Big
Steve on him and all this drug talk of the
acid and stuff, because I'm just so curious from the

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band standpoint with the band in the early days. And
I say this because I look at myself when I'm
from the Bay as well. Right, I'm born and raised
in Satursday. I worked at San Francisco, not all those
spots you guys talking about radio show exact the doghouse, Yeah, exactly,
your dog house out there. Thank you, Thank you very much,
appreciate that. That being said, I lived that rocket. I
felt like I was fucking you know there. I was
kid that all the time. Just started off with two hits,

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four hits, and then but even before you know the night,
it's going on eight hits in And that being said,
and then I'm on stage performing. I lived the fucking
rock style life. It's what I used to say, what
was that life for the band that's performing? Because I
just told you what I did before. I perform on stage,
and then I keep going there, do the morning show
the next day away. Hey, guys, well with the campus
are not campuses? The doghouse. I'm over here's Big Joe

(19:43):
on the corner of blah blah blah blah. I've be
up for two days, right, Okay, Well, so, like, what
would the band story be like that? I want to
tell you that's a great lead in here, but I'm
gonna finish the other story. I was gonna tell real
quick about a bus story. You know what, Let's take
a break real quick and come right back to that story.
Because I didn't realize how much time it's gone. It's
twenty minutes. We've got three segments. Let's go to the
take a break, we'll come back to the bus story.
It's Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll be right back
after this. We'll be right back with Cannabis Talk one

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(20:26):
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that now, Big Steve. We're talking before we went to
break about the bus story. So here's the thing. You
know on the road. You mentioned it. So when you
start off and you ain't got a pot to piston
and you're a new band, you get busted everywhere, right
because you were driving. We were driving the trucks across
the country with the gears night sixties or early seventies,

(21:09):
and we had to go everywhere, and you know, truck
stops were dangerous place. Every trucker in those days had
speedballs and black beauties and all that stuff, which we
used to get across country. But you had to smoke.
Somebody had to drive. We had to get tomorrow. Nobody
was the road. There was no sleeping or anything, but
you were smoking wherever we went. We smelled the fucking

(21:33):
place up the hotel or whatever, you know, and it
was pretty cool. There was no security on plane, so
we could bring a lot of stuff with us, but
we had a lot of tricks. And the thing is this,
So when you start and you like that you're getting busted.
Then when you make it, when you're playing Madison Square Garden,
when you're the top of the fucking pile, guess what
you get Police escorts from the police in the vans

(21:57):
and themos and now police are guarding us for keeping
other blue way. I would tell people I'm bringing the
dope for the conscience, and it was funny. That's the
way life works, man, You know, when you need them there,
it's all different. But anyway, one time we were on
the road with the Jerry Garcia band and we were
in New York City at a club called the bottom Line,
and that night John Lennon came to the show. It
was a great night. Bernard Purdy, this incredible drummer, sat in.

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Bill Kreuzman was playing drums and we had a great night.
And so his friend of mine was what you'd call
a slightly connected mafio so kid who hung around the
Grateful Dead, and he was known pot dealer. Okay, and
so he says, hey, I'll give you guys me a
kid who was my partner working with me in the

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band as another roadie, and so he said, I'll give
you guys a ride up to the hotel we were
staying up at the Risk. It was actually in the
bar oh in those days up on Central Park. So
I said, yeah, we're gonna we had it. You know,
we were gonna send a limo back for us. We said, okay,
we'll ride with him. I told road manager, Okay, gonna
meet you up at the hotel. We're fine. So we

(23:05):
did in the car and it was a Chrysler imperiod.
I'll never forget this, and it's four o'clock in the
morning in New York City and he had a big
piece of hash in his pocket up here a giant
hunka hash Terry did and he also we were smoking
this great weed, big fat bomber joints and Kid it
was in the back seat and he had picked up

(23:26):
a gall at the show and she was in the
back seat with him, and we had I had announced
of tiewed in my pocket. It was Winner and we
had the old names like that, did just take you back?
And Kid had announced tie we people had given us
at the show. Here we are going uptown. And then
we stopped at a red light and a police car
was parked on the side, and I'll never forget this

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red haired cop was fast asleep with his head against
the window, and he opened one eye and he looked
at the car, and he jumped up and he starts
grabbing his partner and pointing at the car. And I'm
going to Terry. You know, when your kid on the road,
you don't look at cops and you see them. So
I was saying, I said, Terry, what the fun is
going on? Why is that cop doing that? Man something?

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It's this car hot? What's going on here? Who did something? Nothing?
What's going on? As soon as the light change, we
pull over, they jam us over to the curve. Man
and a car, an unmarked car. Four cops come out
with guns, man right on her face, and they keep
us there for a while and go, holy sh it,
this is bad. We're going to jail. And that goes
and so uh they get on a loudspeaker and they say,

(24:33):
don't get out of the car. This car meets the
description of a car used in an armed robbery in
Brooklyn where a police officer was killed. Stay in the car. Ship,
holy ship. Here we are coming back from work, you know,
and we're tired. And so now they seal off the
streets both ways and now big brass comes you see.
Fucking guys was all. They were lieutenants and all these

(24:55):
big shots, and they had ambulances and patty wagons and
they're still waiting, and they said, don't get out of
the car. We're waiting for a girl. If they need
a female officer to search the girl. Right anyway, Then
this red headed cop, he's shaking like a leaf and
he puts I'm in the shotgun seat, and he puts
the gun right to my face. Man, he's shaking like this,
and I thought he was just gonna go off by accident.

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I put my hands up. I said, I got no guns, man,
I don't have a gun. And he says, come on
out of the car. He says, okay, uh, what were
you doing? I tell him we're playing with the Jerry
Garcia band down here at the bottom line. And they
asked me, They said, hey, who's the owner of the club.
And I happened to know the guy's name. I said
stand Sadowski, and he said, you're right, he's right that's right,

(25:36):
because it was their beat, and so now validation. They
start searching me and they do a pat and he
stick his hands and he grabs that ounce at tiweed
and I go, oh, that's it. He goes, he sticks
it right back in. He was looking for a fucking weapon.
He's pa my weapon. Pat very different than a gun exactly.
And then they started looking around where I was sitting,

(25:58):
under the seat and in the glove box and around,
and he do the same to Terry. They got him out,
They got kid out, You got the girl out. Their
searches over, they go over everything, man, and they find
the weed and they just keep putting it back in
our pockets. Right then the cop comes over to me
and he goes, you know what, you guys better watch out.
We're gonna let you go, and you're gonna drive up

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town and you better not smoke anymore weed because you're
gonna get busted. And at that time, the Rockefeller Law
had just come in, so anything over an ounce you
had to do time mandatory in New York State. We
knew that the Rockefeller Law. So he let us go
and they start. Everything starts leaving the helicopters, the fucking ambulances,

(26:39):
the Patty wagon. Everything goes away, and we'd start driving
up town and Terry he's like a zombie. I go,
what the funk, Terry, what are you doing? He goes,
they never looked in the trunk. He says, they never
look in the trunk. Said, what the funx in the trunk? Man?
He had twenty eight pounds of weed in duffel bag

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in the fucking trump Man. How are they gonna not
look at that and say something? Man, twenty eight pounds
in a big fat duffel bag, like you keep your
Little League balls and bats. And I said, holy sh it,
somebody up there likes us tonight. Man. It was just
one of those things. You know. I wonder why he's
sitting there like that right like, oh God, now you're going,

(27:24):
holy ship. How are we gonna explain that one? You know?
And then you know, stuff like that would happen on
the road because the road was dangerous. Man, It was
dangerous if you didn't have your smarts on. Man. When
my kid it still is though, you know what I mean?
You kids asked me when like his son goes out
travels with the band, I said, first thing you do

(27:45):
is check everywhere you go. Find out what the marijuana
laws are, find out how they are about camping. Who
has a card on him? We gotta get some cards
in this bus. We gotta get us, you know, if
it happens, this is what we gotta have on the bus.
You gotta have a medical car. Hard like simple stupid things.
There's tricks of the game nowadays, at least to be like, okay,
how many cards can we have to have this much

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weed on us? Like the thoughts like that, and when
we go over state, as long as we have a
card and this day we can take this much with us.
We can't take anything with us in that state even
with a card like those are those you know. It
was always celebrities would come to the shows and they
love to smoke weed with us. You know, you name
it down here. We had Dennis Hopper, Paul Newman would
come to shows because he had a racing team with

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our stickers all over his cars. Man, there's so many
people I could talk to you about. Frank Sinatra. I
met him with Jerry one night. We had the greatest
time with that guy. Man, And it was just crazy
because you guys just took over the country being especially
the band being a bay Area and it's funny for
me being bay Area. I feel like, you know, there's
times in my life where I feel like I literally

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felt like a rock and roll band member of like,
because I live all those hate Nashville. I've done all
those spots. I bought acid on those fucking corners. Literally
I grew up that way, you know what I mean.
I grew up what is seven eight two? But you
know that you guys are doing that already. But that
ship was still all around all right. It was the
greatest place. It's still around right now. And hate Nashbury folks,
go over there right now, I mean ship, who we kidding?

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We could probably find it now. Every day we'd go
up to Golden Gate Park and get us there. That
was what everybody did, you know, and you met there
and and it was a trip to just go around
a beautiful park like that, I mean, and all the
Bill Graham things, you guys, the best test. Bill would
walk around with the clipboard, even though he would take
it off. He'd take the drugs too, but he always

(29:32):
was in charge kind of thing, and we really missed
him to this day. Man, what a great guy, but
he was open to take everything. He would take acid
with us. And when you work for the Grateful Jed,
you had able to handle that. You had to be
able to handle that. And when you say take it like,
because I think of that like back when when I'm
doing the show or something like, people would dosh you
if you didn't take it yourself. That's what I mean that.

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And it was that pure pressure. That was real kind
of pure pressure around back then. Well that's why I
got to work really hands on with pig Pan a
lot too, because he like to drink and nobody else
did him and Janice they would drink Southern Comfort and
rainy or ale. Why because everybody hated the taste of
those things and nobody else was drinking, so they would
drink all the Southern comfort and get sucked up. And

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people thought that LSD was a cure for alcoholism, even
though they were at alcoholics they so everybody was always
trying to dose them and they hated. They both did
not like to take acid. So I promised Pigott I
would never dose him. So I got to take care
of his gear. And he was a great guy and
loved lived the blues life. And was the center of

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the band musically in so many ways. But when you
talk about the LSD experience with playing music in those days,
we had nothing but Strobe tuners, and it was the
guys couldn't tune. They would just see these lights. We
go bing bing bing bing bing. Had to tune them
up and they would get hung up on it and
nobody was in tune. They didn't like playing it those

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because they were never because it was crazy and sucking
tweak you. I could see you took me there like
I could imagine party. Did you know? We didn't know
the dose we were taking. Joe was so powerful and
we were doing things to ourselves. If you were fairly
saying individual, you were holding on for dear life sometimes.
But there were nuts around there, and we had friends

(31:20):
coming back from Vietnam and they were taking acid and
you got to just realize something. They needed to be
talked to for a minute. Man, they were and they
did it. But if a girl hugged him or a
guy hugged him, even they would calm out. It was amazing.
Love always, Love always wins Joe, It fucking always did.
I always agree with that. I remember one time getting

(31:40):
stopped in Albany, New York, and I had a pound
of weed in my quarter pound of weed Colombia in
my suitcase. It was on road stop, and so the
cops take me in. And then it was a Sunday
they called. The judge comes in and he says to me,
what being grateful? Danny goes grateful Dad, My daughter will
kill me if I says, give me a hundred bucks
and get out of here. A hundred bucks for a

(32:02):
quarter pounds of weed. And here's somebody has stuck a
cocaine envelope in my pocket and I don't and then
somebody and I don't know how it got there, and
and the pocket was already buttoned again. And when you
get stopped in New Jersey, Oh that was the worst. Right.
One night, we're driving in the truck and Johnny Hagen,

(32:23):
he was on the crew with us, and Meet and
him and Ram brought it in his truck. And Hagen
he was a crazy guy man, and he his his
watch stop right, So he throws the fucking watch out
the window on the Jersey Turnpike and where does it land?
Right on a cops windshield. Man, Bam, we hit his car.
He pulls us over and finds a weed. We had wet.
I'm trying to put it away and it was I

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was too slow. He caught us, and so they take
us in. They hang us up from poles in the
fucking barracks where they stayed and put like meat. They
hung us up, and they were showing all the cops
as they changed, uh schedule, They go, hey, look look
what we caught. These grateful dead. These guys are. That's
the grateful dead hanging out. Love it, man, They loved
it out here exactly, and they would tease you like that,

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you know, but you learned pretty quick to stay out
of their way, and a lot of good things happened
at times, uh where on the road. Being high actually
worked for your advantage. What do you mean. I mean
that when you were free and you were on acid. Right, So,
you get stopped sometimes and you're talking to a cop,
you could get on top of them. I could look

(33:26):
in his eyes and figure him out right away. That
was something the pranksters taught us. When you get stopped. Now,
they were in a psychedelic bus going across America in
the early sixties, taking acid. And it's so funny because
I'm there where I I see what you mean. Can
I've taken enough? And for those who do didn't, you're
probably right there with us. For those that can't follow along,

(33:47):
welly god bless you, you you just haven't taken enough. And
you figure out where the guy's at. There's usually some
connection football, military, something, And you know what's funny, you
can turn that in life now, even because I've used
those psychedelic terms of using life got when I'm talking
to somebody almost like find my relationship with your figure
it out. But when you're high like that, it's just
all these things per exactly. And you know, they really

(34:09):
knew that a pot smoker is not going to kick
the windows out of the car. It just didn't happen.
But guys that were drunk, oh yeah, that was theirs
that used to get away with a lot of stuff
because okay, you guys are sitting there drinkers and yeah,
but you know, like, for instance, when we went to
New Orleans, was a famous bust in sixty nine and
that was Jim Garrison, the guy who was famous in

(34:29):
the Kennedy movie UH for bringing h Oswald to trial.
Well he was dead, but bringing the whole thing to trial.
But anyway, he did not want New Orleans to turn
into hate Ashbury, and so he was down on Weed,
the airplane, Warren the band. You're coming to the warehouse,
they're gonna bust you now. Pig Pen, who always stayed

(34:50):
in touch with all the people that worked in the hotel.
He would share a bottle of liquor with them or something.
They liked him, so they would always tell us, tip
us off, Well, they've been snooping around, they're looking. They're
waiting for you guys tonight. So we'd clean up. But
in those days Mickey had Mickey hard. He had four
roaches in his pocket of a jacket. Four roaches. And boy,

(35:11):
usually have seen the cop holding everybody chained up. Do
you see that? He look at that we got him.
He was so happy because it was a felony, a
fucking felony. Four roaches. Man. Uh, we gotta draw with
Drew Straws and Jackson and Alsley and Ramrod end up
with short stores. They had to get suits. What do
you call a roady with a suit? Defended? Defended? And

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that's the only time we put suits on and ties.
And so anyway, those guys had to go back and
go for trial. But we had some great lawyers in
San Francisco who knew how to fix it up. In
New Orleans. Oh that's always nice. Stepanion and Ko Hallin
and these guys went to bat for us when the
house got busted. It and they hate uh, you know,

(35:58):
because it was a big deal. A pound of weed
that was the end of the world. You know. Is
it fair to say, I'm gonna make a statement about
the Grateful Dead that I think is a fair statement.
Steve Dave chime in too, But I don't know. I'm
just making this analogy that I forcing. Is it a
fair statement to say that the Grateful Dead was probably
the first band that went out and toured and was

(36:19):
viciously known for the cannabis smoking Henceton nowadays snoop dog
fucking era of the you know, pick the next rapper
two But you know what I mean. Whoever, But is
it fair to say possibly that the Grateful Dead was
possibly the first band to tour that was notoriously known.

(36:40):
This is called drugs all over over the place, let
alone cannabis. But I mean because Grateful Dead was known
in my head as everything. When I think of the
Grateful Dead. I'm thinking acid coke and I'm going to concert.
I'm doing it all right, because why because we're I
feel like we're all doing it, meaning the band's doing it.
I'm doing it at a Grateful Dead part concert. So
when you go to a hip hop hunter and that

(37:01):
you're smoking, I'm smoking weed. He's smoking weed. So I
had that same feel when I think about going to
Grateful Dead. Right, isn't it fair to say they were
the first band to have to deal with the troubles
of dealing with touring? Legend has a four twenty is originated?
It started warehouse? You know, have you heard I've heard

(37:23):
of four twenty being started from some gentlemens that were
at a school and this and that and the warehouse
and the day. Please tell Okay, then you guys tell
the whole story. That the legitimate story that I've heard,
which is funnier that be real of all people shout
out to be real, who's on power? When I was

(37:43):
six with us at the time, many moons ago, this
is the story that I remember from him. And then
I remember Mark Washerman many years later refreshing my memory
of the same story. So that's why when you say,
how do you hear the story? Joe, that's where I
came up from this story, you guys, it's not like, oh,
I just pulled it out of my ass and the
I've heard it from a few other people. But these
are two strong people, and apparently this is the man
that was there. Also, there was a police code in

(38:06):
Marine County that was possession of marijuana for a while.
They changed it long ago. But it's amazing how once
you everybody in the world focuses on that, it becomes
a thing, you know, and it's a good thing. It's
a real good thing. It also happens to be Ramrod's birthday,
and another nefarious character from history who led Germany in

(38:28):
the third in the thirties and forties. I want to
mention his name, but he was born that day too,
But we don't celebrate that. We never break the weed,
and the weed is the best thing. Joe. On the road,
I watched my brothers. They're all dead now, they're all
most of them are fucking dead. It's so dangerous. I'm
talking about the Roadio. Most of the band still a

(38:48):
lot EXCEP Jared and a couple of the other guys.
All the piano players died. But it's a dangerous world.
And the thing is about pot. It ain't a gateway drug.
It keeps you off all that ship man. The guys
who stuck with weed didn't end up overdosing on fucking heroin,
didn't fucking end up ruining their lives with blow or

(39:09):
pills or fucking you know, opiates. Because this stuff is
the most amazing gift ever to us on this planet.
And people don't understand, you know, if you you know,
I argue with people about they talk about the Bible
and where the land of Canyon that's on cannabis, that

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it was the best cannabis in the world. When we
went to Egypt, I want to tell you something. Jerry
and I and ken Ksie, we were at the pyramids
all that day. We played, were the only band ever
play in front of the Great Pyramid Man, and we
had to go through a lot of hoops. But it
was a magic time where Jimmy Carter was in peace
talks with the Arabs and the Jews and they fucking

(39:52):
made an opening of peace and so we were able
to go there to the pyramids. They let us go.
We had one of the seven Wonders of the world,
the world only that one of the one sevens I mean.
So we went over to the Keezy ken Kezi, myself
and Jerry went over to the Cairo Museum right and
they before we left the States, they taught us. They
made us go see the King tut exhibit where you

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saw all his gold. And I've seen the one in
San Jose. I've been that one, you know, at the
museum down there. At my point is I love that stuff.
I went to the one in the stuff that he
was buried with, this incredible gold sarcophagus, all this beautiful
chariots and things, but still left in the museum in

(40:34):
Cairo was everyday stuff. So we're over there looking through it.
Here's Jerry on my side, can't KESI over here and
I'm looking. I say, guys, look a basket full of
cannabis sativa seeds. I said, there's a proof right there.
Pharaoh wasn't going to the next world without his cannabis. Man.
And it's amazing. And so I we had the driver,

(40:58):
this guy will Hob He allowed me everywhere. He was great.
Whatever we needed in Cairo, he would go get for me.
I said, what hab come here? We brought weed there
with us, right, and he'd never They all smoked hash.
They all had the best hash ever, hash from the
Beka Valley and from Egypt and all that area. It
was the strongest, best. The grateful dead wrote songs about it,

(41:19):
brown eyed women and red grenadine and uh hash was clean.
I mean, it's amazing. And so we smoked gold Lebanese
and red Lebanese hash all the time. And when he
were there, everybody was offering you beautiful hash. But we
had weed. We had to go. We couldn't go anywhere

(41:39):
without weeds. So we figured out a way to get
it there. And so I told Ahab to joint. I said,
we Hoab, this is marijuana. You go and find me some.
He said, Mr Steve, I have never seen this. He's
seen hash his whole wife. I said, if they're growing hash,
if they've got hash, they got pots somewhere. And I said,
I'm just and you can't get this without that. And

(42:02):
he says he he said to me, it's good for sex.
I said, the best for sex, the best thing in
the world. WB. He takes off in his taxi. I
don't see him for two days. He comes back with
a little box, a wooden box full of seeds. And
I don't even think he gave we've exchanged money or anything.
He gave it to me, stashed it. We brought it home,

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and we kept it alive with our friends. We were
on the road all the time. So I gave those
seeds to our trusted buddies who grew in Mendocino and
up in Sonoma Hills, and real growers who knew what
they were doing. And so every few years we made
more seeds, and so when I met Grizzly Peak, I
brought those out. This was our sacred stats, because if

(42:47):
you let in those days, if the powers that be,
the FEDS, we all were working on those counties that
I'm talking about, and they would jump in on helicopters
with guns or whatever and take the weed. So we
kept it quiet because once you got a name for restrain,
they wanted to eradicate it. They did it on purpose.

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That's what happened to the weed. It actually is dumbed
down a little bit by mixing it out of Amsterdam.
They dumbed it down because people were driving into the
canals on a real weed. When we first went to Amsterdam.
We was so strong there and the hash to and
and tourists were just going crazy. They were walking through
plate doors and fucking driving into the canals. So they

(43:29):
dumbed it down. They mixed it with hemp. Routoralis Russian
road weed. To see, the Russians were always growing hamp forever.
They got a history of it. That's why the War
of eighteen twelve was fought because every Navy needed canvas
for the sales and rope. No rope is made without him,
and himp and cannabis are the same plant. Which cracks

(43:51):
me up that the federal government makes hemp legal, not
realizing they've already made. Somebody needs to take that to
the court and get their asses kicked because the Supreme Court.
I go crazy when it's a schedule one. This is
the greatest gift and they're playing that game. You'd I
just tell you one thing, Joe, real quick. You know

(44:13):
this doctor who actually worked in the federal government. He's
the guy that wrote that Todd Mcarheah was his name,
and he came to the grateful dead warehouse when to
fifteen past in California and gave us all our medical licensing,
and he wrote a book about cannabis history of medicine.
Now in eighteen eighty two, the British, we're in India.

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India is a cannabis loving country man. They don't like
to talk about it, but it's part of their sacred stuff.
They do it. They have temples devoted to it, and
so uh Up in the Bengal provinces is the strongest
weed in the world. Man. Anyway, So when the British,
this guy is a British doctor and he goes, I
want to go out and follow the ru Vedic doctors

(44:58):
of India and what they do in eighties. And so
he went and followed these guys in Calcutta and they said, sure,
come with us. And a baby, a one month old
baby was having an epileptic fit. That to this day
is the worst thing a doctor can see. A one
month old baby. You're close to death and this poor infant.

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What can you do? The doctor didn't panic. The Indian doctor.
He went to a drawer and he opened it and
he took out a vial and he unscrewed it. He
stuck his finger in it and he stuck it under
the baby's tongue and about thirty seconds later that kid
calmed out completely and they dr O'Shaughnessy was his name,
the British guy. He took that back to England and

(45:42):
it became a craze in England in the eighteen eighties
and they had hashpolors everywhere. Man, everybody was smoking hash.
It spread all over Europe Man, Paris, everybody was doing that.
And French wine of Mariani, which was wine with cocaine
in it. And in America in the joke, you probably
have some of your trunk, Joe, this is what he

(46:03):
was talking about on the show. Just want to show
you a bottle of it. I'm gonna have to come
back from I just have one. I just have one left,
but I just want to show you. I know you're
not gonna partake, but it just would it looked like.
But we're gonna have to do a part two because
there's so much more. Oh, there's just so much, so
much great well, and not not only that, but when
we come back, though, we gotta break real quick. I
actually want to go back and talk about this beautiful thing.

(46:27):
This is how the correlation of bringing the strain that
you did to Grizzly Peak and bringing that because I
didn't realize that amazing story, that story is magical. Job
that now takes it to the next level of what
this strain is, Like I did not know that historical
but but I know. But like I've got chills, Like seriously,
you know, like I got chills thinking of now the strain,

(46:47):
Like it just changes the whole level hearing that story
of the thousands of years old. That's what I mean.
It's a different stories thousand years I feel like hash
in the Bible, man, and this right here has been
would you say grateful and like you just heard what
these fucking season the straight came from. It's a thousand
year old straight history, historical story. It's beyond my I'm
laughing spinally going we gotta come back and talk about

(47:09):
its Cannabis Talk one on one. I'll be right back
after this. If you don't know, you better go look
it up. Grizzly come on, Grizzly Peaks. I love this.
This is phenomenal. We'll be right back after this. We'll
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big Steve, your stories are in this the brand. Like
I said, I want to I want to get back

(48:36):
to this beautiful history, and I want to get Dave's
input because Dave, as I heard that and this story
comes to you, Dude, I can only imagine being a like.
I put myself in your shoes right and I'm going
better yet I can only tell you what I'm thinking.
But it doesn't matter. What were you thinking when you
heard that story and they're gonna partner with you, what

(48:58):
did you feel and think? Because that's story is fucking great. Well, hey, man,
if if you're a fan, you're a fan. If you're
a head, your head and you're you're either part of
the village or you're not, or you get it or
you don't. You know, we've been following him for a
long long time since eighties six when I was just
coming out of high school and uh one of the

(49:18):
guys worked with the Byron. He's a big fan. We've
been going to show since we're twenty. We've been two
hundreds of shows, so it makes it that much more special.
We talked a little bit about it last time I
was on. But also do we get a call. We
had met a manager at the Sweetwater Music Venue up
in Marian. We had left some product back behind because
Bob could come and done a private show with uh

(49:41):
A little cover band. Bill Walton was there, and so
when we left our product behind, I get a call
a week later from that manager and says, I got
somebody that wants to talk to you. And Big Steve
takes over the phone, going eight, this is some of
the best weed we've ever had. I got to meet you.
I want to be part of it. And I'm going
hold on a second. Byron, come in here. I'm gonna

(50:03):
put the speaker because remember he's been on the radio
for a long time, Joe, I mean least some of
these stories. You know, if you've been following him as
long as week and not only is the a legend.
And and to top it off, and I hate to
say this because it makes it sound like I'm hurting
my elbow, but for him to know my here story,
he's he knows everything. He's a part of the culture.
I was a part of the culture. I don't have
to hurt myself pouting myself on the back. But when

(50:24):
he tells me about me, and of course about I
know about him, He's beyond knowledgeable about everything. He's a
fucking genius. I'm gonna go out there and say he's
probably the most knowledgeable rock and roll historian on the
planet at the moment. I'm not gonna argue it. I'd agree,
you know. Now, it's three years deep and of a friendship, brotherhood.
Hearing him talk, folks throw whoever else next to him,

(50:46):
and there's no script in front of him, no fucking
calendar dates, no nothing. I'd agree with it. I'm saying
I'd arguably throw the next name on the list and
let's see them go, because it's a great conversation, you
know what I mean, Steve, It's like, Dude, this guy's
talk it off the hip. He's talking off the hip,
coming off that ship, and it's like, what did he say?
So you get this call, you're listening to him, You

(51:06):
tell your partner listen to this, and what's that feeling?
Like we're related? And I'm thinking, all this is bullshit.
There's no way, I mean, I am this. This meeting
is never gonna I mean we're true fans, Joe. I mean,
you know, they're they're they're getting ready to go out
on tour and we're going to the first five shows.
Will be the first five every regardless knowing him or not.
I'm going no matter what, but to get top ticket.

(51:27):
I'm buying, but to get that ticket. And then he comes,
he schedules it for three weeks later. He shows up
with his buddy, Herbie Herbert, founder of Jersey, founder of
Journey Hall of Fame, his best buddy. I'm right, we
know the names. Yeah, I know, and and and so
for those guys to pull up in our factory, you know, Oakland.

(51:48):
We get out of the car. I'm a little nervous
and I want to go inside, and he breaks out
an old tin. I mean, I got it. He breaks
out this old tan that he's got and he's pulling
out a joint. He gives one to Herbie, he gives
one to me. He's got these prepacks and he's truly
telling us that he's got the seed history that this is.
You know, he see him. He helped us come out

(52:08):
with our layout of what these are all about, because
that was the metal candidate, and you kind of did
that and they ended up staying six hours. Him and
Herbie hung out, smoked, we we ended up going to dinner.
Herbie invested with us. He came on as our you know, ambassador,
and I mean that was one of the best days

(52:29):
of my life. And then they have this friendship since
this is off the fight, and not only friendship. I
feel the friend I feel the brother because he's so genuine.
I feel the brotherhood right and I know we do
because there's there's just certain moments either you get it
or you don't. And when you're having a conversation with
a man and either you get it or you don't.
Hence I had it with you. I just had it
with him, and I know we had it. I'm gonna
get his fucking number before you because we had that.
We have that feel that the men you know what

(52:51):
you have and a woman you have it with a
woman too. That is so remarkable to think that that's
how it came, and that's what the strain is, and
that's the history of what folks can be smoking from
Grizzly Peak. I may have heard it the first time,
but it doesn't resonate like this the way the man
says it from his mouth, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I don't know if we heard that story like that

(53:12):
ever in my life, to be honest with you, because that,
to me is a story that I'm going to try
and like share. It's that touching to me, and it's
that deep of like not only do I say and
it ties into my family? Why is it my family, Dave?
Because I'm part of the Grizzly Peak family, like you
know in my head, like in my head ties into
Joe's family. So when I share their story, dogs, I

(53:32):
feel like I'm part of this. It's so stupid, I
feel because everyone that your family got to enjoy that
nice specially and I have my joint from Grizzy Peak too.
So as whit as I feel like I feel like
I'm part of this story, is I'm gonna claim it.
I'm I'm a part of this family story. Is how
I feel in my gut. I'm just telling you I
feel when I share the story. Guess what my family did?
What mean my family? Well, my, my, my, my fucking my.

(53:54):
You don't have to see my pree roll. What do
you mean my family? My Grizzly Peak Fami, I got
my cannabis. Talk Morner, weap everybody, Big Steam hold on,
I'll call him right now. What do you mean, Big Steve?
You never heard the stories he will? What do you mean?
I'm gonna do it one day. I'm gonna FaceTime somebody
who's a hugest Big Steve fan. I'm like, hey, Steve, Joe,
I know you're like that. I already know you're like
that without even knowing and asking you what you're doing here.

(54:15):
You're doing a very good thing here. And also you
know it's a brotherhood that we have with this stuff.
You know you're smoking a cigar right now. I want
to tell you something funny. And years on the road.
They started when uh you first push president grabbing grabber,
they went zero tolerance, and so all of a sudden,
now smoking in hotels was out and all this stuff

(54:37):
that we've done for years. So we came up with
really interesting ways. We smoked on airplanes by taking out
the drains and you all go down the roadies knew
how to do it right as soon as a musician
went in and they distinct the whole plane. How do
I do this, guys, Steve, get in here, they didn't
understand how you had to keep that right down? Why
are you so fucking big step? We lost some good

(54:57):
now done that? I gotta imagine hole. But anyway, I
want to tell you that, uh, you know, we all
fought for this and to have my name on a joint.
You know what that means to me, and that it
can be bought legitimately, and that we've done it successfully
in California. The Grateful Dave and the Big Steve people
love them. And the thing about that is that you
go from spending a night in jail for it and

(55:20):
now you're seeing people being able to smoke free and legitimate.
That means so much to me. I don't care any
other thing, but no one should ever go to jail
for this stuff. And not only that, folks, if you
want to feel what I feel and feel what you're
hearing in your in the l A area, you can
actually go out and meet Big Steve on the tent

(55:40):
at the l A. Cush Store which is five four
seven zero Valley Boulevard in Los Angeless tomorrow you probably
missed it, uh, and then six and eleven is gonna
be at Packs and SGV. But bottom line, you can
find the cannabis there at these dispensaries as well. Grizzly
Peak will be at Shakedown Street before the Grateful Dead
show at Dodger Stadium as well, So just go to

(56:02):
the Grizzly Peak website of course, and all the things
once again, Big Steve Parish dot com and Grizzly Peak
Farms dot com, Instagram, Grizzly Peak Official and Big Steve
Parish and Big Steve. What we like to do, what
we've done with of course, Dave and Dave, I just
want your answers because you're here. You'll go right after
Big Steve. We'd like to do the high five with
all the great guests that come on. So we just
like to ask five questions. We'll start with Steve, then

(56:24):
we'll go to you, Dave. What you've had you on?
But I want you to still answer because it's funny.
Question number one, how old are you the first time
you spoke to cannabis? And where'd you get it from?
I was just and right. This girl and I were
making out in a park and her boyfriend caught us.

(56:45):
Hold on her boyfriend. Yeah, tell me you had a boyfriend,
He sort of hinted, about his name was Kevin O'Keefe,
and shout out to Kevin Kevin, I said, I just
kissed her a couple of times. But we got it.
We brawled, you know, we fought, and then he felt
bad he blacked my eye, but whatever. And then he
said to me, come here, and we went way around

(57:08):
out in these bushes by the back of the baseball field,
and he had a bush there and he pulls out
a thing and he opens up a tinfoil and in
it was some gnarly looking weed man, real gnarly weed
man in six nineties is the nineteen five. And so
we roll it up. He shows me how to roll it,
and we sit down in the park and we smoked

(57:29):
these dueints. And uh. The next day I went back,
he showed me and he put it away and we
smoked it and and and he said, you'll get higher
and higher every time you use it. Well, the next
day I went and stole the stash and and that
was it. As I'd already knew, I got his worst shot,
so we had to fight again. But anyway, what amazing
fucking story, Hey, Dave. He goes down as the history

(57:52):
and storyteller, I mean not only a story, but storyteller too.
But I want to tell you something. From that day on,
I never missed a single I don't know many people
even in jail. When I was in Riker's Island. The
first thing they said they brought me up and that's
tears like prison. A guy says, hey, you want to
buy a joint, kid, I said, no, I don't want

(58:14):
one right now. That was the only time I didn't smoke,
because every jail there's drugs, and the best thing is
cannabis for common people out they would have so many
less problems. Everything. They make pruno and they get all
buzzed up on alcohol and they want to fight. They
still people still haven't got it. But anyway to digress. Yeah,

(58:36):
so I started smoking every day and because the grateful dead,
you know, we would be going to all these places,
straight places, and they all asked, us, boy, you guys
could do everything. The stage chance would see us from
the you know, up in the lights, and they go,
you guys, just get the smoke pot all day and
all this beautiful scene is party going on. You know,
all these stars of Jane Fondas and whatever is coming

(58:56):
there to see us, and all the movie people, and
and uh, it looked like a glamorous life. And they said,
and we get drug tested. And do you guys get
drug tested? I go, yeah, we get drug tested if
we don't have drugs. Were getting fucking trouble, man. It's
a different kind of world we live in. That's a
real type of test that you guys would get. And
that is this I just remember. But you mentioned me

(59:19):
being Jerry's best man, right, So he got married the
most formal marriage of anybody in the Grateful Dad. Everybody
else just got married hippie style, you know, by a
guy who got his license in the back of a
match book or from something like that. The Universal Church online.
So here's Jerry does it at the Tibron Yacht Club.
And we had a ceremony up to the church in Saucelito,

(59:43):
a real beautiful old church, right, And so we're in
the rectory and I'm there helping him dress. He's he's
mad as hell, man because he was late a little bit,
and so I'm helping him get dressed and he says, light,
I'm a joint look at I said. We're in the
rectory of the church. Of course, I had one with
me I said, I feel a little weird smoking in

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your should light it up, man, And he never said
something like that. He always, you know, okay, we'll wait
or something. But man, I just let it right up
and gave it to him. He smoked that. Man. It
calmed him down. And the whole church stunt a weed
man because it was such a little place. Man. But oh,
that's so great. It was so great to have him
because he loved it. And he always was a pot smoker.

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And we read, we smoked joints and then read the
old underground comics, you know, Our Crumb and the Furry
Freak Brothers and all. They were all about weed. You know.
So our whole world was about weed, and we loved
it and we lived it and that from fifteen to then.
What about you, Dave? That's awesome. Yeah, I think you know,

(01:00:46):
talking about last time I was here, but you know,
we were doing work on uh neighbor's property and ended
up breaking up. But you know, didn't look like regular
kind of leaves and kind of then figuring it out,
you know, we don't have to google. We were about fifteen,
were right in that range. It up went back to
manor because we were out in Watsonville. Anything doing some work.

(01:01:08):
Grandparents had a ranch out there, so we do somehow
got work and uh, some farm in hand. That's right.
I know the area four live Oak Road, you know,
four leave Oak Growth. I mean, I don't know the streets,
but I know the area I don't know, and I
know the work that's out there, agriculture. That's okay, alright.
So I was Saint Jose on the east side. James
like high Here we go. Jim plunk here went to

(01:01:30):
the same school as I did. There we go. That's
a good history there. So that's a good question Number
two of the high five. Big Stephen Dave Gash, what's
your favorite way to use cannabis. I'll tell you that
real quick. Smoking a joey and I'll tell you why,
because the temperature is so important that your body receives
the smoke. And Astley the first thing you ever taught me,

(01:01:53):
and he taught so much. He was another genius of types.
And he would always say, first of all, we you
lit a joint. In those days we use matches, you know,
And he said, first let that smoke, that sulfur go away.
Then you bring it up to the joint and take
that hit and exhale that first one. But then what
you've got now is the perfect burning temperature for your lungs. Now.

(01:02:17):
I've talked to people about this. I love every way
people in jest weed. But that's why I smoke pot
in a joint for him, because it sounds about very good.
You know, you'll take uh too big a hit off
a bob at the cools down the smoke in your lungs.
It starts tarring up, and that's why you have those

(01:02:37):
horrendous costs. But I love it all, man. Everything is
safe in the cannabis world. I actually believe that it's
the best medicine known demand. I can't argue with you,
big Dave. Well, I'm gonna go with the convenience of
the seventh Pat Joe always got a dog walker. You
can light it up, put it back. You got plenty
for the day. I'm gonna go with the seven packs.
And that's the seven pack from Grizzly Peak. There it is.

(01:03:00):
That's a good way to fucking favorite way to wait.
Craziest place, I mean, if it gets if you have
a fucking crazier place, Steve than the church. If you
have a crazy you know. When you were saying it,
I was like, is he answering the number three question?
And I'm hoping that you're not so Question number three
of the high five from Big Steve from The Grateful Dad,

(01:03:22):
of course, Dave gasked, Grizzly Peak, what's the craziest place
you've ever used cannabis or smoke? Okay, I'm gonna try
to be as briefly as possible. But when we went
to Europe in nineteen seventy two, feel free. You don't
have to be you could talk. You just have to
do something soon. Yeah, I gotta do something in a
few minutes. But when we went to Europe in nineteen
seventy two, we had to take LSD with us. Okay,

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had two folks and so Hosley was in prison at
the time. He's gotten caught, perfect time for the Sirens.
We actually smoked pot in San Pedro prison with him.
When we went in a Grateful Dead show the guards
through me the keys. We show up to the day
Man down at San Pedro here and it was Terminal
Island and there was a guard tower and the guy

(01:04:05):
said you're the band. Yeah, he throws me down a
ring of keys. He said, open the gate. Man, I
opened the gate. He said, what should I do with
the keys? He said, leave him hanging there. I'll come
down and get him later, says, you pull up to
that building right there. We pull up. This is a
federal prison security man. Yeah, and as he was in there,
it was the library we pulled into. But either way,

(01:04:26):
it's loaded our our gear, about five tons of gear
into that building in the library, and nobody searched anything.
And so we loaded that place up. Man, I want
I won't go into that at this moment, but he
was taking care of well, he was in prison. So
he was in prison, and so you did what you
had to do for your boy. I get it. We
trusted Ramrod to mix up a batch of acid and

(01:04:48):
he did a mistake. It was too strong. We didn't
realize it at the time. And so when we were
over there, we're having these boots. Now we're taking you
take two drops, you're taking twenty, you're taking one, you're
taking tax. So we started off Phil Lash and Ramrod
and I we go over to Notre Dame. We're in Paris.
We go to Notre Dome and we're walking around. Man

(01:05:09):
we can't believe how beautiful this place is. Of course,
we're sitting there looking at this giant man dollar spinning around,
every color shining so good. And so now Ramrod and
I are looking around, and I say, come on, let's
go open the door. And here's these steps, worn out
steps from ancient footprints. We walk him up the spiral
staircase goes on and on granite steps, man worn down,

(01:05:33):
and here we come to the we're on the roof
of Notre Dame, and there the gargoyles are. And now Ramrod,
I love the guy. He's gone now. But he only
read half of Tom Sawyer his whole life. So I
was telling him, said, this is these are the gargoyles. Man,
look at this is history. Yeah. And there was a
little room up there. I won't go into it, but

(01:05:54):
it was the bell ringers room. It was just like
it always was. Black glass, oh, so old, you glasses
made from sand and heat. And you could tell in
those days they made it so old. It was still
blackened up. I felt so bad when that fire happened.
So anyway, we're up there a while looking over Paris,
and we're high as a kite. So we go. We
go downstairs, and we walk out of there and we
go over to the louver. Now, now I'm gonna tell

(01:06:16):
you the point where I smoked the joint. So we're
walking down the hallway, me and Ram and I appreciate
that we're seeing diesel here and there's a small little
thing and we walk over and said, grab, I musta
ram Simona Lisa. No, no even he knew. And so
she's looking at us, and we're looking at her, and
we're moving and she's following, and we're tripping out and

(01:06:40):
nobody was around by us, man and herd, and so
I look over and there's a little balcony with these
French doors, you know, you open them, a beautiful lace curtains,
And I said, we got to smoke a joint, Ram,
And we pull pull out this bomber that we had
because we brought some weed with us, you know, And
so we opened the doors and we rode out all
this stingy little and here we're blowing this beautiful joint

(01:07:02):
man and looking out over Paris, and we keep looking
back at the Mona Lisa. Well, anyway, about a minute later,
I hear whistles blowing and everything going crazy. I looked
down near his cough with machine guns running towards us
from both sides, the whole place, every guard in the place, Michele,
I'll be sure, what are you doing? You're stupid Americans?
What are you doing? I said, what do you mean

(01:07:22):
calling the stupid Americans? He said, you open these windows here.
They didn't give a funk about the weed or nothing.
They said, don't you the air of Paris will ruin
the Mona Lisa. And then he closes him and he
puts this this stacy little latch. He wasn't locked or anything.
I said, you know what, you call me stupid? In America,
that would be locked, man, And we walked away. It's

(01:07:44):
so crazy, though, the Moona Lisa. I've never heard a
story like that. And the next sucking day we're over
at the Olympic Theater in Paris, Man and I'm sitting
on the stage. And now we were typical juvenile delinquents
as we grew up, all of us. And so once
you get to Europe in those days, every story you
went into sold switch blades, gravity knives or switch blades.

(01:08:07):
So we we had we were buying them like crazy
because we were flicking him all the time. If everybody
gave us any ship, everybody went blades and everybody walked
away from us. So it was cool. But anyway, I'm
sitting in Paris and I'm smoking to joint on stage,
and I'm sitting in the Olympic Theater, which was a
historical place, and I'm dropping this knife into the stage,

(01:08:28):
man like playing, just having fun, stupid smoking this big
bomber right and I pull it out and then I
see the shardy shoes right on me, man, and they
all the cops were carrying machine guns because they thought
that a rock and roll show was a riot. Same thing,
so I said, they had stain guns with a little
briefcase machine guns. So here's a guy. I look up.

(01:08:49):
It's a gendarme. Man. I go fuck, A felony joint
in my hand, a felony knife in my hand. What now,
he says, mischieur, your cigarette? No, no, no, no, no,
I thought he met marijuana. No he pointed to a
sign no smoking smoking, No problem, sir. French cigarettes smell

(01:09:09):
worse than pop man zitanes and gal wise. Man. They
covered break, which brings me to that cigar you're smoking.
So for a while. I came up with the idea.
When they were busting us at the hotels. We toweled
the doors, we did everything. I said, I'm gonna start
smoking cigar and then I went right to Cubans. We
realized right away Cubans are the best, and Stone number
two is my favorite. And Bill Graham heard that Ramrod

(01:09:32):
were smoking cigars, and so he went in New York
and he bought us two boxes of Monte Cristo's number two,
the best ones, and he stacked him up. And he
also went and got us uh ten cigars from a
stash of ninety eight pre castro. So we were smoking cigars,

(01:09:56):
going man and covering the pot smell with it because
it always a good cover. Until the guy walked down
home and said, you know this always smells like good
cigars and good weed. Good cigars, good weed. Dave Gas,
craziest place. I can't follow that out of school. Yeah,
in the bathroom, the Mona Lisa, you come on the

(01:10:18):
Mona Lisa. I mean, I don't even want to ask
the question to get anybody. Actually, I don't want to
ask anybody. Do you ever went to France? And just
like that, I'm like I want to film that. I
want that's to be in the movie, right, Like that's
a movie scene of Like what that is? Crazy? Dave?
Let's jump to the next one question number four, what
is your go to munch? He's after you got high?

(01:10:39):
What is it like early on? Now? Still if you
get that good high in a good month. What is
Dave grabbing or what is the big Steve grabbing? First off?
And then Dave's get it a steak at you're talking about? Yeah,
what's get close? Get close, grab grab a mic. I
mean it's a low carbon it. So there are low

(01:10:59):
car ice creams that are it's just now man, And
that's where I go there keeping un healthy and some
other bars and they are just great. Oh then healthy, Dave,
I'm going peanut butter pretzels, pompomp. This is a good one.
If you could smoke with anyone dead or alive, and
I can't imagine how many you smoked with, anyways, who

(01:11:20):
would it be? And why I gotta say Jerry Garcia
because there's just something about me and him smoking all
those nights and waiting backstage and he had stage fright
and he he would do all his things and he
loved to smoke and it helped him, and just having
that talk with him and chat with him, and that

(01:11:41):
would be probably why I bring back. So let me
ask you. Ready, Yeah, we got a joint. I hand
it too, right, you hand it to him. What's the
first thing you say? How the funk are you? Man? No,
the first thing he's gonna say to me is give
me a pick. And so to this day, I carry
his picks in my He's gonna say, give me a pick.
That he goes, well, I get run over by a

(01:12:02):
fucking car. He's gonna come up to me wherever we are,
and he said, give me a pick, man, because I
always carry his picks, and he never dropped the pick
very rarely. But he's probably out of him by now.
So that's so spiritual, right there, dog, Thank you for
sharing that. That's big. That's big. Yeah, I can't wait
for you. Get out of your pocket. I get just
because I want to see it too. And I just

(01:12:24):
so touched by that because that is exactly probably what
would happen. And I'll see you what else I carry
in my pocket. But mojo, mojo is what it's all
about this world. To me. Man, Some people carry stones
some people carry carry carry right here a couple of things.
What is it? This is a grateful dead him? Uh,
Jerry's pick. Show the cameras to show the cameras too, please?

(01:12:45):
Can you show you have a grateful dead emblem and
two picks? You keep this with you every day thing
it every I got a silver dollar that this man
gave me when we first met to bond our friendship,
and I carry that there busy Peak, grateful dead Jerry
and Bobby and everybody else. Now give me something, give

(01:13:06):
me your shoe, Joe. You're ready for it. I'm gonna
give you're ready for it. I'm gonna give you you're
ready for No, no, no, you're ready. I'm gonna give
you something. And I didn't realize I was gonna do
this right now. But I don't give you something. You're
ready for this. It's something I keep on me that
I'm gonna give it to you. You're ready because what
I give to you is not only my last two

(01:13:27):
dollars that I keep in my wallet, but if these
two dollars, if you rub the mic like this, these
two dollars can instantly turn into a two dollar bill
like that did. You see that. So I'm gonna give
you this and say for you, not only are you
gonna remember me from being your brother right here one time,

(01:13:50):
but you're gonna remember you are here as your brother
the second time, because you're gonna have this as the
one in two times that we've we've met. And right
here is the two dollars, the two dollar bill. I'll
teach you it afterwards, but that's yours. And if you
keep it in your wallet, you keep it. If not,
there you go and I'll teach you. I'll teach you
it afterwards. So there there, no not no, no, no,

(01:14:17):
no no. I don't want you last two dollars. It's
not it's I just want to say that on the show.
Fuck not knowing it for me. Geez, come on, don't
take away from my shine. Don't take away from my
fucking thing. It's a good one, right, Oh, it's amazing.
I gotta go hook up, right, you gotta go hook up.
You gotta get your show, Dave. Let's get your final
answer on the I know you've said it before, but

(01:14:38):
i'd love to hear it again. Well, I hope it's
gonna be you. I heard you were you know getting
back on possibly samples at least. But that's funny that
you say that, because I'm only ready for this, so
I hit the oils only as you say, you're using cannabis,
So if you have an oil, I would love to
ingut some oils with you. It's funny because I've said
this on the show and you don't know there's but
you know I don't smoke cannabis right twenty three years too,

(01:14:59):
by the way, Steve over complete accidence have been in
the program the whole night right smoking cannabis flower only,
but can but oils. I'm ingested, and because of the surgery,
I've now used cannabis as my regiment of pain medicine.
So I've been ingesting where I never did because my sobriety.

(01:15:20):
I would use oils and tinkers in this and that mildly,
but I wouldn't use anything that would do that until
I had surgery. And now I'm a consistent user for medicine.
I'm no longer on pain pills. You like that, and
that being said, who's the person me? But who else? Really? Well,
of course you know I wouldn't mind smoking a joint
with cherry, but it's been nice to have the next

(01:15:41):
best thing, you know what it's been, and it's been
a real honor to have you guys. As you gotta
get ready for your show, I just want to say
thank you big Steve for coming on the show. Seriously shared.
And there's any time, any time. A matter of fact,
I hope, I hope you like our campus. I'm thanking
you for coming here. You can utilize it anytime. Let's
do something here like you here. Everybody here is wonderful,

(01:16:02):
nice folks you got working here, a very good facility,
real at home here. I love the way it set up.
You sit out back well, and I'm sorry you didn't
get to meet the CEO and the man who's created
all this, Christopher right a k A. Blue, who'll be
sitting right here next to me, and he's the guy
that visioned this, and we just all of them work.
He's been working tremendously hard putting this all together, and
everybody else has been helping him, but in his vision.

(01:16:23):
So I can't wait for you to slap hands with
him to see that. But our home is your home,
know that for both of you guys, obviously, Well, I
appreciate that but hopefully the radios on this show. Blue
might not have a seat when he gets back, so
little you better be working real hard, because welcome to
Cannabis Talk one oh one with David Joe. Right here,
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(01:16:45):
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