"Cher" Part 2

We’re back, babe! Welcome to Part 2 of "Cher: The Memoir, Part One," ya dig? We dive into how Cher became a gay icon, making love to David Geffen, Chaz Bono’s lumbering lesbian walk, when Aspen was weird, what Gregg Allman was packing, and how Cher got out of her bad deal with her cigar smokin' no-good hubs Sonny. Do you believe in life after love?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Celebrity Book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
If I could.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Turn back time, vac found away, if I can reach
the stars, ravac.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
No to you, that man of dads, of man you.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Say, who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.
You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books
and a bottle of wine killed.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martinis foor celeb Poop Club.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Read it while it's hot. Celevety poop Club. Tell your secrets.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
We won't talk celebrity books.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
No, boys are a loud celebty book say it loud
and pound.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Celevetly Poop Club.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Spuzz me in. I brought the queer vow.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Hey, best friend, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh my god? I'm okay, yeah, thank you me too.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's crazy that we're already several weeks into twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Twenty twenty five? Can you believe it?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I can share.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Let's just you guys know it. We're in part two
a share right now. I'm just gonna say it. She
did a hilarious skit once after the Sunny and Share
show ended and she had her solo show called just
the Share Show, and she was like, it was the
funniest skit ever. It was me Elton, John Bette Mittler,
and it was them all doing a skit about being

(01:38):
at a senior home in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
It literally takes place in twenty twenty five. Yeah, wait,
that's in soon? Is it? Like so robots?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know, I haven't she mentioned in the book, I
haven't gone on the youtubes and the archives and found it.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
We need to pull that up.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, but she's like, we were just laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
We were laughing hard.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
We had a time.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I bet it was like probably just kind of Jetsons
and like there's a robot made. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I feel like it was probably them on like wheelchairs
being star like take me to the Bingo area, yeah
or something.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
That's what I would do if I were writing that
skit today.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And maybe they had like slim futuristic headbands.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Ye, star Trek styles, you could see that. Yeah, we
were promised flying cars and here we are in twenty
twenty five and all we have.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Is teslas crashing into things.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
And shitty cell phone service. Sorry, why can't I get reception?
An elevator? It's twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Five and what's the deal with the iPhone updates?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I will say it. Actually, it's bad, it's horrible.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Did share you didn't predict that, just like goofy little symbols, didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Protect yourself, just being on Twitter and like having really
bad grandmar and.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Just being like huskies lost today, singing sun Malibu, just.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Like a completely random spoken word artist Stuporando.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, as we were saying, everything now on the iPhone
is like a sharper image digital frame where everything is
a pet memory.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, it's full shutter fly. You can't find anything in there.
They just want you to like live in your memories.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I know. It's like I don't have to be nostalgic
for two days ago, right, it's like you got drinks
with Stephen again. You're lucky the paw symbol on like
my cat, And I'm always like hoping they're going to
reveal something more if it's so futuristic. I'm just being like,
like her ancestry, her ancestry or ancestry. They're like, she's

(03:38):
actually too possessed Egyptian Mau.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
You're obsessed with wanting her to be Egyptian. Maybe she's
not Lily No.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I don't think she's an Egyptian.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
You have to live with the fact that your cat
might just be like extremely domestic.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
She's a domestic long hair. I do believe, I do declare,
I do declare domestic hair.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Oh wait, speaking of othern act sense. So I watched
the incredible share film for which she was nominated for
any Academy awar day, Silkwood, So that's nice, which is
like a tear jerker drama.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Real factory, Southern Gothic.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Based on a true story about a whistleblower at a
nuclear plant in Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Now the whistleblower is played by the one and only.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Mary Meryl Street. And wait, have you seen Silquin?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I guess you remember I sent you a photo of
me watching it.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
That didn't come through because of the OS. I only
know it because on Will and Grace, Jack wants references,
just wanting to have a cozy night in and just
watch Silkwood. So, like, since I was twelve, Silkwood has
had this kind of valance for me, as this just
like gay cozy movie that like obviously involves a woman

(04:53):
in some way because silk is like a feminine word.
But that was I didn't know anything else about it same.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I didn't know because I was like, Okay, I've seen
Struck a thousand times and it's like one of my
favorite movies. So I was like, let me watch another
share flick, and she talks about I think in the
book we're reading, but maybe.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
No kind of ends right before it's era.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay, so it must have been an interview I saw
with her. So because this book basically ends with her
feeling like she really wants to act but no one
will take her seriously.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I would argue, okay, let me just say that. So good,
but yeah, brilliant Share. She plays a lesbian with a
wolf cut with like an eighties mullet wolf cut like
Oklahoma style, all.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Right, and it's like Meryl also has a mullet in it,
but like ERR's is like curlier her style. It's like
them rolling up in their bustial Honda to like the
factory in this opening scene, and they're all in like
little single stitch thrash teas and five.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh one ty of ones that are just like kind
of high waisted, like falling off, and they're all just
like thin because they're like poor, but.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
And like all sleeping in the same crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Like live in this hillbilly house together, but they love
each other having fun. There was like popping shiners, and
I love any movie also that shows you, like the
fun camaraderie underbelly of a workplace, like Made in Manhattan
is kind of one of those.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
For Melkwood. It's like basically when you get to see
the locker rooms of let's say made factory or a hotel.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
The locker rooms of a non sports job, to me
is always like, oh right, they have lockers too.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Women and lockers. Yes, women have lockers, but they're not
for like jerseys, and it's not like me a ham yes.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Or something, the ham less women's lockers. I think it's
so cool.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's actually such a spooky moment. Watch the spooky moment
if you realize, like you know, this nuclear waste movie
is they come in one kind of the oldest Southern
woman is like putting on her wig and she's like, well,
my hair is turning green and fallen out, so I
wear this wig.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, And like then you start realized they're all being
poisoned by blue o meum exposure at this plan. You know,
it was the eighties, we didn't know better, but they
did know better, and it's so Ambrockovich and that's like,
ultimately company is evil, et cetera. And so it becomes
this like interesting political drama, but it's also a personal
drama and soma and a southern drama and Share being

(07:17):
a lesbian and then like when she sleeps with the
blonde girl and then she's like, this is Darlene. She's
a beautician, introducing her to Mail Streep and her and
Kurt Russell are both so freaked out, and then they're like, well,
I don't out of mind, out of mind at all
way of mine either. Then while we're talking about it, well.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
We let's just stop talking about it if we don't mind.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
They're like freaked out but also being chill about Shares lesbianism.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's cool also to see Share play Southern, because she
usually plays kind of New York.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
What I think is incredible about that film is and
I maybe I haven't seen enough Share films, but she's
so good in it. She absolutely deserved the nomination. I
don't know who won that year, so I don't want
to say she deserved the win, but she definitely deserve
the nod. She disappears into this role so deeply, so completely,
you don't see like seventies funny comedic share anymore. Like yes,

(08:08):
she still has that like sassy share edge where she's
dead pan and funny, but like you like fully believe
that she is, for Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
A newcomer actress, which any way she was.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yes, because she hadn't been famous for acting at all
at that point.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I need you to see Moonstruck, like so desperately.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Your girlfriend forbade me for watching it without you.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Right because she was like, you need to come over
and watch him Cameron Mannheim style, but you're gonna flipping
freak your ass.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
She plays a woman Italian woman in Carol Gardens. Curly hair,
dead pan, she's engaged this Italian guy who you can
tell she's not in loveless and he's in love with
his mother of course, and it's that thing where you
realize in the movie she's thirty six and everyone's just
being like you're fucking.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yea, you're dead.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
You need to marry this man or like go die,
And it's about like Italians and Karl Gardens in the eighties,
and what happens basically she falls in love with her
fiance's brother, who is Nick Cage.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Who is a baker actually so Hunter Biden honestly.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, no, the brother's sole in life. He's just visiting
his dying mother in Sicily. Oh and the brothers don't speak.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Okay, that's even less loud.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
And Nick Cage is being so hot and like, wife,
please her bakery doesn't have an like a hand. He
has a fake hand.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Nick Cage is a fake hand, yes, oh, and that's
why she's into him.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
And he's like such a crazy top and has always
taken her to the opera and like is so like yeah,
and he's like throwing her around and it's crazy and
she's been like anyway, she's just being like Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, No,
this can't happen, Johnny, and olympiad caucuses in it. The
dad from Fraser is in it. It's just she transferms

(09:55):
so much because you're like Schaer, you're known as being
the most like glamorous, like right us jock babest woman
and she's just like playing this like you know when
you pass a woman in New York who's so beautiful
but you know probably has a lot of demons, you.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Know, I usually don't see women as wide around.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I know, you know, they don't smell, you don't see them,
so they're registered for me. If you were to open
your eyes for once and you saw a woman walking
with a few bags, maybe she's a single woman, and
I already.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Like something is troubling her. Once. I remember having this
feeling on the train once to Massay from party.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
It was the first time you saw woman.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
The first time I saw a wman. I was seated
across from her, and I just could tell by her
dress she was obviously rich, middle age. She was troubled,
and I knew. I was like, I bet she's getting
off in pros. She did, and I was like, she's
probably going to like her husband's house, and like she's
like wanting to divorce but can't but can't right now

(10:57):
because she's too accustomed to the lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right. They can care for each other, but she's not
in love.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I love, and that's why they're like separate, and they're
both like using asma ones not there in Paris and acts.
And I was just like I could just read it
all on her face. But she was caught very beautiful,
very classy.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Shares such an amazing actress, and it's I think I
saw Moonstruck at a very young age my parents, And
of course I had known, like you know, knew if
I could turn back to him the songs. But I
think I really maybe saw her as a gay icon
in kind of culture, but knew her as like a
serious actress, and for so long her career and especially
covered in this book, no one considers her a serious actress.

(11:33):
And she said this thing about Silkwood. She went with
a few of her girlfriends to go to a theater
in LA when it came out, and she said, when
the credits started rolling, you know, Meryl Street, people applauded,
Kurt Russell applauded. When the name Cher came on, people
just started laughing in the movie theater, and she was
kind of just in the back there to see the
public perception because people were like, Share the woman on

(11:55):
the Sunny and Share show who sings gypsies, tramps and thieves.
She wants to be a nuclear way like exposed.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Hey, okay, George Bush her movie Wait, but they started
laughing after the credits at the end of the movie,
opening credits, opening credits, right, and then she proved them
all wrong. Yes, by disappearing to the rousso completely. Okay.
So I would argue Chare has three acts to her career.

(12:21):
The first act is her music crews Honey and Cher
that I think I would also break into two different
pieces because there's the music part and then they become
TV comedians. Yes, because the music part starts to like
not be as popular like during the war, and their
politics were not really along with the like more hippie
music that's popular. But then her second act is basically

(12:45):
when this book ends, which is the eighties, like her
Oscar winning movie career, and then her music revival career.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Of which is I would say a little more.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Maybe the peak of her music.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, if I could turn back time, kind of more stadium,
not slow rock, but it's like it's a hard rock visual.
When I say like hard rock, like truly hard rock cafe,
like I'm talking leather jackets, it's teased hair.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's like nod in metal, power rock.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Can we Yeah, it's a power stadium kind of.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Operatic, yes, and then she's in this phase until the
phase that I kind of knew her as, which is
like in the late nineties she becomes this gay icon. Okay,
can get out of my head and then she becomes
this like drag queen gay icon that like everyone loves
and they're just like, oh, Share, You're like so ageless

(13:38):
and like plastic surgery and like coming out with full
club bangers that like, right, this is when she Believe,
like the number one song in nineteen y yate in
the country like for the year, right, And that's.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Really how we like, Yes, maybe like I was watching Minster,
but it's like Believe came out. We were like, this
is Share. And then at that same time was Will
and Grace and Jack being obsessed with Share and being like, right,
gay guys love Share.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
And I didn't get into her music, and like Madonna,
obviously it was obsessed with her music when I started
being gay at age twelve, but I like Share. I
I didn't really know I, but like then I put
into the club music. I was like, oh, this is fun,
Like we're dancing to this, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, Believe was being played on Kiss one O eight,
like I was rocking out to Believe. And then I think,
like in high school, when I started like discovering records,
I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna buy this dollar Share record
Gypsy Trampsynthie's and get into like the seventy stuff and
it seems so kind of novelty.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Right because you were lying along with I was like,
she's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
She's ridiculous, she's on a horse. Yeah, And I just
want to clear up something that I have to say personally.
This summer, I said to a group of friends. They
asked me what's more important to you? Share? Drama, slash,
gossip first, oysters? Rank them an order of what's most
important to you? And I said number one, share right,

(14:55):
number two, drama, number three, oysters.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Liar.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Everyone on this lesbian vacation called me a fucking liar,
and they're like, Lily, you love gossip, you love oysters?
Like why are you trying to pretend that you love share?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I don't doubt that you appreciate Share, But even
to this day, after we read this four hundred page
book and like are boning up on our share trivia,
I would still say that gossip and oysters are more
important to you than Share.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I guess I just want to say, on a daily basis,
at nineteen, who is I for Halloween? Share? What's a
movie I watch? Over your Moonstone.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Okay, no, I mean evidence is piling up.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
I see you mean I do think in general, probably
drama and gossip, Like what do we doing this podcast?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Gossip? Probably that is number one. Honestly, I love oysters,
but oysters to me sometimes can feel so dollar oysters
in importance, Like yes, maybe I'm having oysters more than
I take.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's almost I'm a show luxury and the stay.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, yes, and I'm like in importance of life and culture.
I respect shares so much, but I can see how
everyone form your own opinion and post.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I guess the thing about the original question, it's kind
of like what could you not live without? And if
you had to go a month without share or a
month without oysters, and let's make it hard. Okay, the
month of July.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Right where it's like you all of July without oysters.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Because I think you could probably make a month without share.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I have to go July without Share, Like I start
pressing believe and then I get zapped with a dog collar. Right,
it's not July, and I'm trying to cozy up and
watch Silkwood.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
A silk July is not for silkwood.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
So you're probably right, there, like I'll call myself.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
In like literally maybe what seasonal it seasonal effective share disorder, celet.
I want to read a quote here, you know, now

(16:54):
that we've talked about her films and basically kind of
the last line of the book spoiler alert, not really
where she's already friends with Frances for Copla because she's
sow in the Hollywood scene and like cher is like
not a activist, but she's kind of like she likes
to be a Hollywood dem and I think she still is,
and she's very like, you know, we were friends with

(17:15):
Francis for Coppola, and we loved that Marlon Brando didn't
show up to the Oscars and sent like a woman
from this tribe to like accept.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
His awards of protest. Yes, but she was, and of
course we said, like a full Jimmy Hendrix, like Woods
dot Genis Choplin, like lighting herself on fire in the street.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
No, never saw him.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Later anyway, she was like, Frances, can we talk? He
just went for The Godfather. Sitting together in my dressing
room at Caesar's Palace, Frances and I reminisced. He told
me how much he'd enjoyed my show and then, after
Breese pause, added why aren't you making movies? I almost
burst into tears and thought, how were you seeing something
in me that no one else does? Instead, I told

(17:55):
him about the rejections that had been for being too old,
too ethnic, too tall, too type cast. I was Share
of Sonny, and Share made a punchline from my complicated
personal life. I explained how producers and directors insisted could
only ever do TV comedy, never anything serious or real.
Frances was sympathetic, but added the problem is that until

(18:15):
you do something, nobody will believe you can. If you're
really serious about acting, Share, then stop fucking around and
go to New York. And that's how the book ends
chills any one, Yeah, to New York City.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Wait for part two in two years.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's just funny because I feel like people that you
want to be a movie star moved to LA but
he's seriously Broadway, honey, New York or meet with the screenwriters,
the intellectuals, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
And that was because she had really cut her teeth
in the TV comedy world and become a real star.
And of course the thing is she's so good in television.
So I was staying earlier. The first act of a
career was kind of sunny and Share mooties, So they
were singing together that kind of like doesn't totally work
out for them, and they they real they need to pivot,
and so the kind of part B of her Act

(19:04):
one is their TV show and this is what really
like I Got You Babe has already come out at
that point, that infamous song that you guys probably know, Yeah,
that was.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Her and Sonny's first ever big hit that put them
on the freaking map.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Well is kind of their biggest ya think Sonny and chare.
But then they get this TV show and they're having
this like dead pan comedy routine. So they have this
whole little like kind of like classic I mean, it's
not borsched Belt.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
But it's like not be but it's definitely like my
wife type of.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's sassy goes. Sonny would say something about himself, like
making fun of how he dressed in the sixties.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I did look a little weird and stupid.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, I reply, what's your excuse? Now?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Hey, Share, do you remember when kids used to try
to rip my clothes off and scream?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Now they've screamed after you ripped her clothes off? I'd
snap timing was everything.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Christmas was really nice this year. My mom cooked and
she really knows how to stuff a turkey, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
She Yeah, straight into her mouth.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Sonny was the perfect foil and first straight man. He
could be hysterical on stage. So it's this kind of
like it's a little new because usually the wife isn't
so dead pan. Yeah, And it's him being like I
love my mom and she makes food and her just
being like, yeah, your mom's a fat pig.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
But it's also it is kind of Lucy and Ricky.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well Lucy and Ricky is more like Lucy is like
I'm crazy, and he's like.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Oh, Lucy, okay, yeah, I guess she's not like cucking
him so hard. And then she says she's always making
jokes about his height, and it's like he's the butt
of a lot of the jokes, and like it's about
her star power kind of anchoring it and all coming
back to her. You know what it is.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's honestly Lea Remini and Kevin James. It's Queen. Yes,
it's like saussy dead pan wife.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yes, hot wife being like, oh you're so short, Like.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
She's right, Like no one wants to see your ass.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Like the joke where he's like, hey, do you believe
in reincarnation? She's like, yeah, could you come back shorter
next time? Or no, come back taller next time?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Be the joke and it's funny. So they have this
like crazy breakup that we've like talked about, and then
they restart the show together and Chaer describes as like
their humor is totally different, and she's like, yeah, we
ditch the mother in law stuff. It was just fucking real, but.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Still be basically like HiPE jokes. It's still the same.
I do feel like Kelly Rippet and Mark Consuelo's like
wish they were the Sonny and Sheriff today.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, because the problem with them is she's like too
horny for him. She's laughing too hard. It's him being like,
uh oh, remember what we did last night and her
being like shut up, Mark.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, yeah, she's like too excited.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
She should just be like, no one wants to hear
about what you did in bed?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, Like she should be like more pretending to be
disgusted and like the most she can do. It was
just being like, can we not talk about your snoring
last night? And you're kind of like, oh no, he's snoring.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Just like a fake headline. That's like Kelly and Mark
talk about the time their kids walked.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
In on them making whoopee, and it's just like how
many times can we leak this story to the post, Kelly?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
So I want to jump to when Cher basically finds
out though the contract that Sonny had her.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
In was full bullshit and he basically owned her, and
she realizes that when they're like wanting to they wanted
the show, but like they're breaking up.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
And he's like dating his assistant who.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
By the way, and he's been two timing her now
for years and like she's like never stept out on
him once except for that one guy Bill.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Right, And then she finally they like break up for
real and she starts dating David Geffen, which we're gonna
get into after this, but let's just do the contract.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Which is basically her like transitional face to becoming a
gay dating a gay guy.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Which is kind of like this crazy challenge for like
a pop star woman. It's like, if you want to
become the star the gay icons, you must state one
gay man first, Yeah, and you have to like and
there's like fire everywhere.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's actually true. It's like eighth Circle of Hell, Like
you have to date a gay man.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Who becomes like super efully powerful.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, like because I feel like that's kind of Britney
Spears's last boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, like Sam whatever washboard apps.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, you must pass the tests. You must pass the.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Test and like spend time with this deranged man and.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Like, you know what sucks for Terry Hatcher is she
dated Ryan Seacrest. She didn't get it, she didn't get
her gay icon status. She should have been bequeathed. She
was promised she was.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's also so like Ninja movie, where it's being like
you took one wrong step, now you will fall into
the ninth lay of the grove. So David kind of
looks over her contract. David asked me about my contract
and how I got paid. I told him I didn't
know because I never read it. It's about time you did,
he replied, And somehow he got his hands in the document.

(24:06):
I'm not sure how. He called me up after reading
it and said, sweetheart, this contract is involuntary servitude. You
work for Sonny. You have no rights, no vote, no money, nothing.
You're an employee of something called Share Enterprises, with a
salary you were likely never paid, and three weeks vacation
per year. He owns a ninety five percent of the

(24:27):
company and the rest belongs to his lawyer, Erwin Spiegel.
It turns out what Erwin had gotten for getting rid
of Joe d Wait a minute, I cried, this can't
be right. Share I'm right, I promise you. I'm sorry, sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
It's very brittany.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, conservatship. By the way, she said she did sign
on to it because she thought Share Enterprises was a
really cool name, which was like, yeah, fuck it is.
Someone was like, you're the head of Share Enterprises. I'd
be like, absolutely, okay, I'll be in deadsured.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Service, I'll share prizes go to three fourteen. When you
confronts him, it feels like a Tarantina movie. It feels
like Jackie Brown kind.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Of flying on fumes. I couldn't face something at home,
so I asked for a meeting in his office. I
walked in, sat down, lit a cigarette and stared at
his face. Son I love hershikosm son.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Son. I've had someone look over my contract and it
says I'm your employee that can't be right, can it?
How can I be employee? I'm your partner, your wife.
We created this whole thing together. Noither of us had
anything when we met. So tell me they're wrong. Staring
at me and lighting one of his stupid cigars, he
didn't say a word. I want half my money's son,
I'm only asking for what's fair. I worked my entire

(25:39):
life from being a teenager to now, and I'd made nothing.
I wonder what I'd earn. But his eyes were cold
to me. There was none of the sparkle i'd once seen.
You have to tear up that fucking contract, Sonny, and
draw up a new one, ansist that I have to
be your partner fifty to fifty. To my surprise, Sonny
shook his head and without emotion.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Said I'm not doing that, Chare.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I was genuinely shocked by his response. Reasoning with me
in a way that sounded almost rehearsed, he told me
I didn't know what I was talking about, and asked
who was advising me. I knew I had to fight
for my rights. I had a daughter to raise, and
a sister and a mother to worry about. You don't
know a way to give me half the money and
redo the contract. Sonny, I won't sign for another year
with CBS. I won't do anything with you. I can't

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be working for nothing. Son Is shrugged.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
You'll get sued.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I don't care well.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
CBS will renew any day, So let's see what you
do then.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I mean it, son I told him, standing up and
stubbing out my cigarette. I only want what's fae.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Hmmm, period Curia, And you can imagine that office. He's
probably smoking a cigar, which she points to the moment he.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Had like turned when he starts being so cigar and yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
And then he starts hanging out with someone named Joe D.
And she's always like that was Sonny's capo Basstone.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
It's funny because she's so cigarette but like, I mean, honestly,
cigars are kind of gross and they get so wet.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
It's wet and else you're supposed to like smoke it
all day and then put it out and then relight it.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Right, you're just kind of like eating it, but you're
not like smoking.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
You know, in hail, you just taste the smoke. It's
random and it's like we went to the you took
me to cigar bar for my birthday once and it
was fab but I think we all agreed, like.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
You're kind of like, okay, fantasy check.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
This weird.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well, I love in Silkwood. They're all smoking around the clock.
They're all chained smoking, and they're just like their plane
and she's just like sifting through so much platonium but
just like cigarette in hand. That's how it was.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's how it was back then. Baby.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
So then she does not renew with the culture or CBS,
but then they gave her her own show that they
put up against Sunny like in the time.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Of Crazy, and she's like so nervous, but she just
like does it. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Okay, should we
talk We should talk about David Geffen, okay a little
or Chas.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I'm like gay storyline talk about Let's just.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Talk a little bit about her children, okay, Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
So Chaer has a trans son who in this book
is still her not even lesbian yet daughter.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, and so she says, at the beginning of the book,
I referred to Chaz as Chass and you're kind of like, okay,
and she's like, and Chaz gave me permission to refer
to him as her chas, so do.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
You even say Chess is.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Probably Chess son Chess. I think the people who made
drag Race made a documentary about Chaz, like in the
early two thousands, Oh, the folks from drag Race, folks
from drag Race and Wonder World Productions, because like, Chazz
and shered a pretty like horrible relationship after Chazz came
out as trans because I Shared didn't accept him and

(28:48):
everyone was like, but she's a gay icon. But it's like, well,
she's still just like kind of like a boomer like
and the documentary is so so many close up photos
of Chaz petting his two sphinxes and the walking around
to his home.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
But like then, and why do people with sphinxes always
have two?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I know sphinx.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Sold they need to like to be in.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Sweaters stuff no thank you, and I love most breaths.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
They're always freaky, but is that do we project that
onto them?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
They're creepy?

Speaker 1 (29:25):
They are creepy.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Way, I think like Share did come around and then
they had a good relationship, but currently they are not
speaking because Chaer tried to get a conservatorship over her
son with Greg Allman because he is an on and
off heroin.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Adut, and Chaz doesn't support the conservatorship of.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
It all, yeah, and thinks that.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like even though his stepbrother is an addict.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, but he thinks like share shouldn't be the conservatorship
and that like his wife should.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Be like the heroin AT's wife, Yeah, should just be help.
Obviously she's an enabler.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I mean, I'm sure there is two sides to the story.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
There's two sides to every story.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
And it's just because it's like Greg Alman was a
heroin Autut, who is her second husband from the Alman brothers.
And it's crazy, but you know, Cher.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Has avoided all addiction. I mean she never really gets
that into anything.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
And she was trying to help him, you know, kick it,
but you can't help it. And but she was being
so like he always had long sleeves on, and she's like,
but we were still making love.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, she's looking the other way a little bit, and
I mean, you know, I wonder if that goes back
to also like her growing up. You know, she talks
about the domestic violence in her childhood, her mother getting
beat up by like various stepfathers and kind.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Of just her first father being a hero and autut
and her.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Kind of just accepting that is kind of the way
it was, and like, you know, her mom just having
to kind of retreat into marriage after marriage because that
was the only option for women. And she was like yeah,
and then my daddy like did choke her once, but
like that's my daddy. I still love him.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
And I think it's this thing with Share and her children.
You know, we're probably getting these snippets, but it's like, yeah,
even though obviously Chaer loves her children, I don't doubt that,
but it's like.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
She's share, she's share.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Maybe of course her kids are like a mama's chair.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I mean, yeah, if your mom is share, like sorry.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, sorry, it's like she's gonna be around them and share.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Because it's interesting how Sunny has a daughter. When they
first meet and you kind of like never hear about
the daughter.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Ever, No, and she's like, Chas and the daughter got along.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
And I'm like, where's this daughter? Like she mentioned that,
she's like I'll think son was a great dad and
then you're like, but I've never seen him do any
dad stuff ever.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
And she's always been like I didn't want to leave Chess,
but obviously it's always going to like Hawaii and Malibu
and on so many trips, like leaving the kids. But
there's just also a hilarious paragraph in here about Chess
that I want to read. The fun and games continued
for Chess's seventh birthday party that March, which was a blast.
As always, She'd ask for a monster theme, so everyone

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dressed up and screened young Frankenstein. Chas was in love
with Gene Wilder, who starred in the film. Well, in
her mind, she was in love with Willy Wonka, which
was the first role she'd seen him in during the
Willy Wonka phase. Years before. I'd seen Jeane at a
Patissa ree in Beverly Hills with Terry Garr, who was
going with him at the time.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
They were going to they were going together.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
When Chess walked in with Dave a few months later,
Jeane went up and said hi to her. When she
realized who he was, she just looked up in his
face and stared. She didn't even move. He leaned down
and kissed her cheek and they walked out the door together.
We didn't see them for twenty minutes. They just went
around Beverly Hills together. She was so entranced, I think
she would have walked with him to Egypt for her

(32:42):
monster themed party. Chras stretched up as a boy, as
she often liked to do, and I noticed for the
first time that day that she'd also developed Sonny's long lumbering.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Walk lumbering down seeing also.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Lumbering down sunset, Terry Gor and I were wondering, what
was my daughter lumbering down sunset?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Was that big old lesbian seven year old? Okay, now
here's the theory I have. Do you remember when she's
pregnant with Chas and Sonny really wants a boy, and
right when she's going to the hospital, he goes, remember,
chare I want a boy? He told me, laughing all
the way. But I'm like, did Sonny actually will Chas

(33:36):
to be trans in you to row?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yes, I think it was his intense desire for a
male heir that implanted into the womb, turn back time,
turned back in the fetus and then, obviously like her
wanting to like please dad or she was like, oh wait,
I mean, let me become the boy you always wanted.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Me becomes Chaz of today?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Wait? And then does Chaz go Chazz before after Sunny's death.
It's a good question, you know what I.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Mean remember reading in the years that of like Chaz
coming out as trans that was like Chaz and Sunny,
I think always did have a closer relationship than Chaz
and Share because it's also like probably Share. It's like,
you know, the classic mom who's like, I'm a liberal mom,
but I'm heartbroken that, like my little girl is gone,

(34:31):
I can't dress you up. Also and like Swede, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Maybe never that thin is that also part of the yeah,
is like insanely thin and like thin, right, and like
even though she's not saying that she's like antibody image,
she is, yes, And I think that's part of it.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
So I'm honestly very confused by the current case of
the conservatship. And it's like that's so classical. Do every
you know, Judy Garland, Liza and Nelly Mommy dearis like
there's just all if you're such a gay.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Ie seen as Madonna doesn't seem to have a tempastuous
relationship with Lola, I think she does with Lords, yeah,
because I heard what did you hear?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I heard that this summer someone I knew was with
La La at the Madonna concert. Uh huh, and brought
the friend backstage, but was like, I'm not talking to
my mom right now.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
That doesn't seem conservatorship level drops literally backstage at her,
I'm not talking to my mom right just.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
More classically being like fuck that bitch.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, ohka wait, there's so many more things we need
to cover. Tina Turner asking for cover up for her,
like bruises from Ike, like backstage that was so sad.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
And she was like Ike was so scary, and she
was like and Tina had such a power, but like
was bruised. We all talked about Aspen. Okay, everyone turned
her pages to three forty one.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Evandy's was different than it is now. It was a
real town. The people who worked there could actually afford
to live there. It was all independent stores, no chains.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
There was a great place called Poppy Cocks where you
could buy crapes. A Tom's Market actually run by a
man named Tom, a shop that sold the best hat
truncolate in the world. There was an opera house, an
old hotel, a toy store, a restaurant that had been
in the Ute City bank.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's full small business nostalgia, and she's just being like
when the store called Old Toms is actually owned by
a guy named Tom.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
But it's also already gentrifried in this way where it's
like a restaurant in a bank, so it's already fallen west.
And she's like, you could bum around town.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
You think the most ungentriferent neighborhood has no bank people
to be on bank.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
No, I'm saying it's still a bank, not a restaurant
inside of an old bank.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Oh, a restaurant that had been the bank. Oh, that
is the most restification thing ever.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
That's like that restaurant.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
The fact that it's not a bank is actually what
makes it so jazzy.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Right, And she's walking around and of course now it's
so housewives.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
No, I mean, I wish I could go to the
old places. You know, we're experiencing the same thing on
Nantucket as you know, where it's like she has to
be a bummed out. It literally like no one said
it was ever poor, but it did used to be
like more of an artist's colony and more kookie and
and more small businesses and less just like only Hildebrand
friends renting a house for two thousands. I think it

(37:26):
went through two changes four thousand.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
It was like Hippie's Nude Beach. Then it went through
like our parents generation of being like old money, like yuppie,
and now it's funny. Is like all the boomers are
feeling like they're being gentrified by the pan Asian fusion.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Well, they love the pan Asian fusion, but they don't
love all the thirty one year old bachelorettes at.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
The pan Asian fusion. Yeah, it's a hard life.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
My mom loves potstickers.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Let's she was spicy Mayo. Okay, here's the thing. Her
and David Geffen, she just like lived at the house
and Joni Mitchell's the like recording like her first album.
While she was like sleeping with Day, she said this
with David was good. She was like, it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
This part I just found. I don't know, I just
I got weird. It just made me tingly and freaked out.
I didn't like it. It was hebgb's for me.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I think, as we said in our part one, Sonny
didn't like to kiss. No.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I mean the thing is, yeah, the bar was on
the floor for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
And he's cheating on her. So like David Geffen like
probably praising her body right and just being like, girl
looks so fab Like, girl, can I under your bob
Mackie like tall.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Fist your pussy's tea.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
He tastes really good tastes like sushi.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Have you been to Nobu? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
David was an early roser and went to bed much
sooner than I did. I'd stay untilly, fell asleep and
get up and head home. So she's still being so like.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
We speaking of actually getting out. She dates Gene Simmons,
just funny because we've done his wife's book. Yeah, and
she was like he was actually sober.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, she was like boring, boring, move on.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
And then it's like she has this really torrid marriage
with Greg Alman and like goes to the South and
like eats BBQ with him, and then he divorces her
nine days after their wedding. Very machine gun Kelly and.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Kind of figured Greg Alman or Sonny. I think Sonny
signing to me seems like.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
He's kind of packing packing mustache.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
But then I'm just like, yeah, I am just like
falling for the mustache because he is shorter, so it's
actually like a kind of like a big boy.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I just think he's using so much heroin, so I'm
also seeing it is very limp heroin.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
I actually feel like it's fine.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
But in the book she was like, they said, if
you're doing hair and you're not having sex, and that
wasn't the case.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Right, they were having sex. So I guess he is.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Maybe he's just like ultimate, like Indie Rocker, like he's.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Like John Voight. I don't know the faces. It's a
tough read for me. Have you seen The Banger Sisters? Correct,
I'll say this. I think it curves and that's all
I say. I have seen the Banger Sisters. The polaroids
of all Yeah, if you haven't seen.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
The Banger Sisters, there's a scene where Susan Sarandon and
Goldie Han look at polaroids of all the dicks and
they're like, oh my god, it's Jimmy Page. Did it
really look like that? To bury this book, Sinatra doesn't
like light filtering into his concerts. He said, the tidbits
here and get we're wrapping up here. But I just

(40:32):
saw that in my notes. She's like Sinatra didn't let
a little bit of light into his theaters.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Princess Margaret is drunk that one time she meets her,
which seems like that's like everyone's story about her is
that she's wasted in a bitch.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Catherine Hepburn makes share by her house because she's just like,
it's a fabulous house, darling, and you must have it.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
And she'd already bought like another house that she'd rented,
and she was just kind of like following her real estate. Well.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Interesting thing also about the share feminism. When she had
her solo share show, all the censors went off because
they were like, everything you're wearing is too risque. But
when she was on her married show, that same stuff
was fine, but they flagged it yes when she was
a solo sock.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Right, because like marriage helps kind of like deslotify you,
so like you're allowed to show more skin because they're like, oh, well,
she's only sharing it with her husband and the audience.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
He's there to protect her.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
She loves ferraris Wait she I don't remember that part.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
She has a ferrari and she gets mad at one
of her best friend, Paulette. She just has these two pages,
but she's like, I was really pissed at Paulette because
the gas was low and she said, I'll fill it
up share. Then I'm driving my Ferrari the next day
and she still hadn't filled up my guest tang.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, that's one of those interesting things that I'm glad
that's in there. Although maybe if I were her editor
at HarperCollins or whatever, I might have been like, do
we need this? Do we need this? Could we get
this down to maybe three fifty from four hundred page
page about gas? But it is one of those revelations
a little bit that's kind of like you get to
see that, like obviously she is more of like a

(42:07):
bitch Nandiva than she might let her on in her
own memoirs.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Holding holding on to some things, yes, some graduates memories.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Some issues childhood and elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Oh, just one more thing about David Geffen. After they
break up, he goes on like a silent retreat and
obviously he's so budden, so retreat and he was so
like fuck you after she dumped him with so angry
gay guy, like how dare you? Like, don't even talk
to me if you see him on the street. And
he comes back and he's like, I went to the
most amazing retreat. Four days of silence, three days of yoga,

(42:39):
one day of swimming ayahuasca Mi.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
So, I wonder if she's gonna reveal when she finds
out he's gay.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
In part two, I was driving my Ferrari down Losienaga
and I saw him with a little boa thing. So,
David Geffen, is that your son? He said, no, it's
my boyfriend. So homosexual, maund what you.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Want to do your own time is interesting. She never
references any lesbianic experiences for herself. No, that's how you
say it so convincingly in silk Wood and she plays
the top.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Maybe that's in part two, like touches on aids a
little bit in this.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, but I would love to see, like what did
her Angelica Houston get up to. And while Jack Nicholson
was like passed out in the other room.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
You know, I thought she was a babe.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I don't swing that way, but if you want to,
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
You can look at my bone naturals.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
They're like not big. Okay. Another thing i've her being
like so into like basically this kind of like boomer
gentrification aesthetic as a way of making a feel better.
Sonny took me to the seaside town of Salsolito for
the day. I always wanted to go to that pretty
town right on the water, and we had one of
the best days of our lives there. It was foggy

(43:53):
and atmospheric with little artists in stores. We ate pizza
in a pizza parla and literally skipped up and down
the street together making waves in the fog like a
couple of kids.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
She's literally like, we had Detroit style pizza for lunch.
Follow me and Sonny as we go to Salcledox.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
And she's like, the best time my life was looking
at artisan stores.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
It's like we grabbed and checked out some shops. I
bought this really cute ceramic fause. Then we headed down
to downtown salce Alito, where we got wine at this
really cute place. Then we had up to the mountaintop
of Salsledo for dinner.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Make sure to take your polaroid with the old fog lady.
You won't regret it. Gypsies, tramps and segments. What does she.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
So?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Do we do segments last time? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
But we did for share then and I think we
should do modern share now? Share now share what we're
calling share now? What does she eat? I think now
more than ever. It's like vegan salcolito.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Okay, chefs, you don't think she's actually so rfk and
being like bison and milk.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Had a beautiful bison bowl with Pharaoh and bison and
raw on pastor's milk.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
But maybe she is vegetarian. She's keeping it tight because
she's not being so like I'm doing gains and like mysels.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I could see her having a heavy lifting regimen though, oh,
because now it's all about like women over fifty.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yes, And I feel like her gym is very like
in a like a chapel, like on her property.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
The benches are like pews. Yeah, walk down to the chapel.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
From a morning workout.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
It's like a temple of sorts. And I think, oh, right,
she's fully dating like a thirty year.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Old now, yeah, she has just like this just like
absolute like twenty nine year old and he's like a
stylist or a rapper or like a singer.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, and she's like I love yeah, And it's.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Like, well, whatever you want to call at sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
And as we know from the Rob Low book, what
do we know from the Rob Low they slept together.
They slept naked in bed together, when he was like fourteen,
he was like, I went over to my friend's parents'
house chair yes, and she was like babysitting him, yes,
and they slept.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
She doesn't include that in her book.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Well, let's post nineteen eighty, which this book ends in. Okay, right,
she gets into her cougar era. She's in her seventies
rocker dating era because.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
When she's fourteen she gets cut off by Warren Baby
and then they go and sleep together at his poolhouse.
And now when rob Low is fourteen, she's being like
strip Baby, strip Baby. She's cutting him off in her
like nineteen eighties to dance and it's.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So like saxophone. She's taking off a silk robe. Don't
be afraid to look.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I think she's so artisan stories. So she probably does
have like a beautiful like Chinese like Christenberry tea that's
like very rare.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Her tea collection probably out of control.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, there's probably a whole wing wing of.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Teas chairs that are so interestingly to me.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
She's like kind of like Louisk Tours, Like there's like
some real antique gorgeous like cherry wood auction boots, auction
down boots furniture and like heavier maires and there's like
gold leaf. It's like kind of barbetiation. It's kind of Turner, right.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
But I think there's still like kind of rams that
are harkened back to her old school Aspen days.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
And she's not Wade, but she's not aga stuff. No,
she actually might even be induction.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I don't know. I think she has a gas range.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
But you don't think that like she was conduc.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
She makes a special sauce.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
The thing is she's so like fuck the Orange Man
now and like and I do feel like moms are
heard about in Duck and they're like be coming off
for it.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I just don't see her.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
The gas to me is so her right because it's
so expressive.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, a big gas. I think she's maybe like I'm
with you in I could see her being like Melee Grill.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Do you think she's making her twink boyfriend like some
like ye, I think midnight snacks. She's like, I'm making
your banana pudding, baby.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I think she's like sesame broccoli Charred.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
He's like, yes, Mommy.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Time like Charred Broccolini, Farmer's Mark. It's California.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
It's off.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
She's chilled off a cup of soup. It's her favorite soup.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Oh that's true.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, and like she tofu.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
She's having her cheft do like a Mark butman of
super recipe and they're both sipping up, being like m
and she's walking over to the double door friend and
be like what do we got and like her assistant
has like something labeled.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
It's kind of Diane Keene and Jack Nicholson. Something's gonna
give where the pancakes happened once a year? What if
I made pancakes?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Baby? She's making a mess baby, And then like the
staffs cleaning up tomorrow and she's like, oops, that's share
for you. Okay, wait, how does she live? It's like
we discussed this a Jim Chappel.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
I think is like driftwood, but it could also be
Louis fourteenth.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
It's like one massive piece of driftwood and wins. I
think it's more of a four.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Poster okay, four huge four poster, so many sheets and pillows,
like you can't even find her.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah, she wants to feel small.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
And I think she sleeps in a bag of moisturizer.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
She has to legally, legally.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
And she must have one of those like red light
kendle like tombs. Do you think she has a tomb?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I don't know if she has a tomb, or like,
does she have like a finished sauna. I think she
might have like a rock outdoor sauna, like a stone
sauna outdoor salt water, Yeah, like a saltwater tappy sauna
outside that's like a little bit more redtrop Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
The pool is an natural and crazy yeah, and I
think the bathroom has tons of beautiful features.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, It's like her pool is like a pool that
like Roman plansca did very bad things and.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Very very bad things. She definitely has a bidet and
she uses it, oh for sure, front and back up
the who Yeah, what does she wear? It's either worker
clothes or like robes.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
I guess. But isn't she still like I'm a show girl.
So it's like she's going to incorporate like a lot
of spandex or like lycra into her casual wear, right,
like because she wants to be like stretchy body constant.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
It's like she's walking around the house in this body
con workout thing and then in this very starway like
until she's in the costume.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
It's silk robe okay, but don't you think when she
is going to the grove, like to get a salad
and go shopping, she is wearing like kind of stretchy flared,
big flared pants, like kind of like a weird synthetic
material pant.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
And she likes Barkley sneakers like Carlougerveld sneakers.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
And then like a f and like in the middle
of summer white, I.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Make up huge sunglasses, period presses. Who are you in
the book? Now that we've had time to really think
about okay.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Because last time I said that you are the bad maid.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yes, which I still agree with, m Am. I now
the good maid who created who created the good maid?
Who made the ChIL davocato soup for her?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
For the first time, you're labeling everything in the fridge.
I don't know about that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
It's very like how I made shrimp broth the other
day and I put it in my soup cube container
where there's chicken broth, and my was like, are you
gonna remember which one is shrimp broth and chicken? Then
I was like, yeah, I'm gonna write it down.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, I don't know. After you mistook like shrimp dip
for what was your infamous story?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Oh after I swapped clam dip for pancake better, Yes,
and put scallions on it and it to my close
friends at the beach.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
So anyway, I think you are Jean Wilder taking lumbering
jazz for a walk the world, and you're because you
are actually very good with kids, and you're like the
world could be yours.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Yes. No, that is very cute, and.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's like through the streets of Beverly Hills. Yes, I
think I'm Terry Garr. I'll stay at the cafe. Yeah,
you go on with that small lumbering lesbian.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Okay, what do I give this book?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It's hard because it's always hard, but that's our job.
It's like, you know, as you said, it's like, yeah,
do I want the detail about how her friend didn't
fill up her car twice? Sure? Is that good writing? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Listen, I'm just gonna be frank It's a three out
of five for me. It's too long, and frankly, it's
not quite as introspective as I would have liked. There
aren't enough passages where I'm really seeing her reflect. It
is maybe too plotty, and I get that that's her
and there is so much pot and that's fab and
it washes over you. And I love her career and
I think it's so delicious to do a part one

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of your life that it's.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Four hundred pages delicious.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
But yeah, I think, you know, there could have been.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I think I'm totally with you. I think also this
sense of celebrity where the best actors and singers, like
our Queen Miranda, they show you how they feel in
their art and they do not reveal it to you.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, but what's also interesting is she reveals a lot,
but she doesn't talk about her art then, right.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
It's just kind of like, I mean, I guess the
end of this is supposed to be her being like
I want to talk about my acting, and it's this
whole setup. Yeah, and you're like, again, five hundred pages
of like contracts and like fun stuff in the Playboy
man mentioned and the like it's about a time and
a place and she's a diva And yeah, I'm going
to give it a three point five and five. I

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had a lot of fun the audio give it.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Because lawsuits with your trend son about your other heroin
addicted son out of five lawsuits.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
The audio is read half by her, half by someone else.
So she'll start a paragraph and.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Then it's like some other chick comes in, which is
so her, which is very herb.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
But it's she's very saving my Voice's this book saving
my voice, baby, It's.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Very this book. We were like, okay, you're just kind
of not going to get into the hole.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
You get so excited because she'll be like chapter non
and then it's like Sonny and I and you're like, oh, okay.
Three point five out of gas ferraris out of.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Five Share, we love you, Shall love you, We Love
your baby. Bess oh Son.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
The producer on this podcast. My best friend Darby Masters.
Did she stop talking to me in nineteen seventy six
of Caesar's Palace for about a month? Yes? Do? I
forgive her? Almost a boo. Far was the supervising producer.
He is also my husband's best friend. He tore us apart,
but I still respect him and if he invited me

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to a Christening, I would go.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
This podcast was executive produced by a little Lady, I mean,
Christian Everett. Our engineer was the Heave Frasier. I worked
with him for seventeen years before we had to follow
it out and over a very small amount of money.
Oh what music was done by Steven Philips hors. Now
there's a give producer I've ever seen one. He knows

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how to click those buttons and play those keys.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Who The artwork, Baby was done by Teddy Blanks. I
saw him at the school gallery in the north side
of Aspen. The year was nineteen seventy five. It was
just this little gallery.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I walked in.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I said, that's groovy, baby. So I had my assistant
ship it up and send it back to my home
and saw the ledo. It's still up there.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Our podcast was created at cbe Yes Studios with prologed
projects in that Hennsoda one. We terminated that contract, but
we still remain on very close terms emotionally, spiritually religious.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
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if you know what I'm saying, go on patroon dot
com slash.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Stebe slash stebc the pod. There's more content over there, Baby.
I know that's what you need. I got you, baby,
but you got us. Okay, we got you.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Now it's time for you to get a twelve dollars
a month. Baby.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
If that's nothing, you get four episodes, five dollars us.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Talking smack about Hollywood, rock and roll, and gossip, religion,
semi ostis DJ play that Christmas song, Sir, new Christmas song? DJ,
won't you play the Christmas song?

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Oh Jingle Bell, Oh little bell will be jingling,