April 24, 2024 • 51 mins
MOTHER ALERT ! It’s Gypsy Rose Blanchard week, and we are unpacking her recently published eBook "Released: Conversations On The Eve of Freedom with Melissa Moore." With empathy and humor she discusses her Munchausen Mama, Wicca, bottoming for butches in prison, true crime adaptation ethics, why she loves her now ex-husband Ryan, and ultimately her hopes and dreams for the rest of her life. To quote Ms. Blanchard, “This is Gypsy’s Version.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Celebrity book Club.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You are receiving a call from get you out from
Kollecathy Correctional Institute. Do you accept the charges?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I hey, baby cakes. How you doing Gypsy Baby?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi? Ryan, I'm so excited to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh, I'm so excited hear your voice. I've been thinking
about it all day at the special education classes I teach. Damn,
can wait? Come home? Let out the dogs call you?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Are you talking about your actual dogs? Take a big
pack and your pants that I'm gonna see in our next.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You're so naughty, baby.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But I feel a good girl.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hi, Damn, you get me going. How are you feeling today, baby?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh? I'm pretty good. I just got my certificate of
completion in my how to Relax cast, which I've been
taking for sixteen weeks in prison.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I can't wait till you relax me. We can give
each other really long foot massages.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What do you mean like you have a long foot for.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Oh? Baby, you know I'm packing for you.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I like how baby you are makes me feel small.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I can't wait till you sit on my lap and
we can watch all my favorite television programs like Chicago Med.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I've always heard about Chicago med. We don't get paramount
pleasant prison, but super excited.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Baby. I'll subscribe to all the streaming services for you.
How about this sound When you come home, I'm gonna
make you my special special gumbo kicking with spices. I'm
talking tyane and it's gonna make you hot and sweety.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay, yummy.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Then we're gonna fire up Zobe one on one.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You have one more minute. Okay, let's just how phone sets.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Now, Oh, Gypsy, No, no, no, that is not Christian.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Okay, I'll wait for the visit.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Four days, five hours, three minutes, twenty one seconds.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You're my big drunk kangaroo elephant man. I love you.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I love you, baby. I'll call you in twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Who's that knocking at the door.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's all your friends, your filthy horse. Your husband's gone,
and we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's Martini.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Celebrity book Club.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Read it while it's hot. Celebrity book Club. I'll tell
your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No boys are alloud.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Celet book say it loud and cloud celebrity book buzz
me in. I brought the queer vow.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Hey friend, how are y'all?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Are? You know?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good, you know, as good
as I can in these circumstances.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I know it's been such a tough time for America lately.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I mean, you look cloaked in darkness right now.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I am feeling pretty dark in my home office right now.
You know, it can get really hot and here I
am in a windowless space, as you know. So yes,
we try to keep the lights low.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
It's so funny you just said windowless space made me
think of jail cells.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, before we get through anything, you guys. That's to
say we fully believe in alternatives to incarceration. And please
donate to your local community bilfund if you have the cash.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
If you don't have the cash, well, literally no pressure.
But the most you can do is share this episode.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Please please share this episode to spread awareness.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Today we read yes, it's a book.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Well kind, it is an ebook, And this is the
first official ebook you've ever read on this podcast. We've
gotten into some PDFs. Yeah, and like I'm sure like
because we weread ted Kazinski's manifesto, which I'm sure if
like there had been ebooks when he was around, it
would have been an e.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Book, but it would have also been a zene.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, the books are like not as punk a zines
because e books are a little bit just like m M.
You actually have a lot to say. But no major
publishing house was willing to like publish your boook, which
is kind of crazy because she is famous, this person
whose book we did. It's kind of surprising.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well, I think there is going to be like a
bigger memoir. This was like just to get the ball rolling,
I think.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, So of course what book are we talking about?
What celebrity the e book are we talking about? Well
known author? Do we dive into this week? You know
her from you.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Know her from Aiden and the Bed and Kind and the.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Murder of her Mother. You know her from being the
most famous victim of chauzhens by proxy in recent history. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't even know a more famouse one in ancient history.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
She was the subject of the Hulu original film The Act.
She was the subject of the HBO documentary Mommy, Dad
and Dearest.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Those were the two big ones. But there's been other docs.
You know her for being a huge Chiefs fan. You
know her from being a big Londadela Rey fan.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know her from going on TikTok and recently deleting
her tech talk account.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You know her from getting married in prison to her
big strong Southern man Ryan, and just four months after
being released announcing that they're separating. Are we surprised?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We, of course are talking about none other that Gypsy.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And her ebook released.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Conversations on the Eve of Freedom.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
With Melissa Moore and Michelle.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So for those of you who don't now, Gypsy Rose
was recently released on par role in twenty twenty four
after being contradicted of the murder of her mother ten
years ago with her boyfriend or friend at the time,
Nick Godda John, who is still in prison for life.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I doe for a life sentence because he kind of
did the super murdering.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yes, And as she describes in a drawing in this book,
she was the hand that held the hammer and he
was the hammer that smashed the photograph of her and
her mother's life and their home life living in the
Habitat for Humanity constructed house that they lived in.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Because they survived hur Kane Katrina. Yeah, if you don't know,
like Gypsy Rose, the story, as we always say, you
are living contor.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But basically her mom Munchausen's the out of her.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Like we are talking. Her mom convinced the entire medical system.
She was sick, all their family around her. She was
in a wheelchair, back brace, had multiple multiple surgery.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Older, she had leukemia. She was on like drugs for
LUKINI was always shaving her head even though she wasn't
getting chemo. To'd be just like, well, your hair's gonna
fall out, so we gotta shave your head. Was always
like numbing her gums. I don't know how she was
doing something now her like teeth don't grow and she
has to have adventures, so now she fully has. She
had a feeding tube, inch saws a scar from the
feeding tube. She gasled her but her own age and
(07:30):
told her she was like seven years younger than she
actually was.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
She gasled her. I mean Gasla is almost even as
the main like Keros kind of who got her out
was her biological father, who the mom basically was like,
oh no, he hates us, and he's like never paid
for anything, when in fact she.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Lied gypsy rose her whole life, cleaning her that her
dad had abandoned them, even though he was secretly sending
her like Christmas presents every year and the mom was
never giving them to her.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And he was paying a lot for all of the
like surgeries that she was.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Having named So this book was written, as the subtitle implies,
on the eve of her release. And this book is crazy.
So I don't know if this is just so we
have like this press copy, but it is a word doc,
like there wasn't even any layout in an attempt to
make it seem more book esque, like it is a
straight up word doc. We're talking times new Roman Roman,
(08:31):
like double spaced Mama.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And so the conversations are with Melissa Moore, who is
the daughter of the happy Face serial killer, who is
now like such this like blonde true crime host who
is like now an expert on like victims of crimes.
So she wrote a book called like Shattering My Image
(08:59):
Fragments of My Life and about like how you know
what it's like to be the daughter of a siler killer.
She's been on Doctor Oz and so I feel like she's,
you know, really and she also is a fellow I
heard hosts.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
She's part of the kind of like the sort of
family murder community.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, like the blonde family murder community. And it's like,
I'll give this to her, Like, I don't think Nancy Grace,
who's like the most blonde head of the murder community,
has experienced.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Person Nancy Grace is not really a member of the community.
She's just a fucking carpetbagger because she's obsessed with everyone
else's trauma. But like she's not right, this woman has
the trauma. So yeah, it's like Nancy Grace didn't like
walk in and find her like cousin murdering her aunt,
or like didn't pay her cousin to murder her aunt, you.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Know, which is why I think it's kind of cool
because at first, when I was reading, I was like,
this is just you know, another woman.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You know, taking advantage of Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I loved the act the acclaimed Toulu series. But I'll
tell you this, to quote Jip she rose, we don't
get Hulu in prison, and I'm glad.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
We don't die at that's so good, Yeah, because you know,
I mean, people never like movies that are about them,
and it's kind of like well you might have been
get over it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well, I think she did. Like Mommy Dearest, which is
directed by this woman Aaron Carr, who also directed that
doc about the I Love You Now Die girl from
Playing Field.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Masks oh our Massachusetts queen who told her boyfriend to
like get back in the car, get back in the car,
kill yourself, iconic chaotic queen. I mean, at the end
of the day, like, I think she appreciates having some
sort of platform to tell her a story, and I
(10:50):
think she appreciates the attention at it. I mean, she
wouldn't have met either of her prison boyfriends because, as
she reveals in this ebook, I met my first like
boyfriend in prison when he saw Mommy Dedandiras and like
wrote to me on a dare. And then she starts
dating Ryan because like he hears about her on the act.
But after her first worfriend breaks up with her because
there's too much attention from the act. Yes, so you
(11:11):
know it's the two sides of a coin for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I want to get into just that's a great point.
The interview style of this woman who's kind of playing
dumb with Gypsy Rose to like get her to explain
things more.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So Gypsy Rose is talking about how she first met Ryan.
She's like, yeah, he wrote to me on a dare
and the woman she's like, I'm sorry, I don't follow, Like,
why would anyone write to you the most famous like
munch Hime by proxy girl who like killed her mother
on a dare? And I just thought that was like
(11:44):
a little like you.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Know why exactly why? But you want her to say it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
She's like, oh, okay, Well it was the pandemic and
people were hanging out with not much to do, and
so he dared his friend to write to Tiger King
and she dared him to write too.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, she does this a lot. Wait can we read
this little section if you go to page forty eight
in your ebook, let me pull it up on preview. Wait,
can we do this exchange that Melissa does with Gypsy
where she's being like, oh my god, this is weird
and you're kind of learning.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
This is on the chapter on God and Faith.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
This is a free call from an offender at Chili
Cooth Correctional Center. We're sorry, this systems experiencing technical difficulties.
Please try again later.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
This is a free call from an offender at Chili
Coth Correctional Center to accept this free call press one Hello, Hi.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Hi, and here hi.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That was so weird. It was telling me my pen
wasn't working. I'm so sorry about that. Oh my god,
no worries, no worries. I thought it was weird because
today I was going to ask you more about your
mother's interest in witchcraft and spells. So I thought maybe
we could cast one on the phone system or something.
I'm gypsy, but not that kind of gypsy. I highlighted
(12:55):
that line by the way, I did say laughter. Oh
my god, that is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I was like, Okay, Melissa, you fake us, bitch.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, was this a prominent feature your life growing up?
The interest or practice?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's all. It's a great segue, Melissa. I mean, one
thing that's insane about this book is it, as we said,
it is a full word doc. But what I like
is that it includes all these straight up conversations in
addition to Gypsy's like passages that she has written or
has written with the help of Melissa that are like
(13:31):
from their own voice. But just when the book like
starts out, You're like, oh, I know this is going
to be a cuckoo Cuckoo book, like the first intro
is Mother, I am now twenty eight years old and
in prison for my part in your murder. And though
I can never justify my crime, nor can any letter
apology give back the life I was taken, I'm writing
(13:53):
this as if you were physically in front of me,
but all that I've held and for the whole of
my life, I'm just like, Okay, So starting with a
letter to the dead mother whose murderer she did collaborate on, and.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
She wrote it in a class called Impact of Crime
on Victims class.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And what's interesting, so in the being here, she says,
you know, I learned to think of myself as a
victim as well, even though my mother's also a victim.
And I also had never thought about Nick as a
victim before, but now seeing him as a victim in
all of this as well, I would say, you see
a lot of both seemingly understanding for everyone's role, empathy
and accountability for her role. I mean, she really does
(14:34):
straight up and mick because when I watched The Donk
last night, which frankly i'd never seen.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Before, and you know, you don't live in a true
crime household.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I do not live in a true crime household.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Poor the red Wine. We're watching true crime tonight.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
My friend is not obsessed with like snapped on Oxygens
watching Verse eleven, but like she denies Denis denies at first,
and she does not accept a possility. I'm like, and
you start to see like all the texts of her
encouraging her boyfriend to do it, just being like.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I can't take it anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I need you to kill my mom and then her
Like one of the craziest parts of that doc is
have you seen the doc? Yeah? You remember the part
where like it's after it was so refreshed after they've
killed the mom. There's like this like video of her
and the boyfriend in a hotel. I'm like, oh, yeah,
they're like in the bed and he's eating like chocolate
(15:24):
or something.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
She's like, it's funny because you're eating chocolate, but you're
about to eat me.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I'm so fucking creepy.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I Mean, the craziest part about all this is that
she's super horny. That is I think the through line
from beginning of eating and.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Of course she would be because her mom has pathologized
her so much and made her be this little five
year old girl forever and like made her, prevented her
because it's like, on the one hand, when you prevent
somebody from having something, you want it more. It's like, hello,
who are those like the sluttiest, most closeted people like Christians?
You know, it's just like he who wants to drink
(16:02):
American teens not Dutch teens because who cares?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Exactly, thank you, And that's on the done.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That's on the Dutch Mama, we said it. Where do
you see all the alcohol poisoning? And you see it
in America because we forbid it. And you know, it's
like hello, Eve the apple, right, we always want when
we can't have Eve was Frank. It was Frand you
know there's a lot of that going on here. But
it's like also just like the whole esthetic of like
their whole crazy ass horder habitat for humanity, never leaving
the house, Like Vibe is just like, so what else
(16:32):
are you going to do? But just like fantasize about getting.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Fuck her, fingering yourself with your feeding, tubing yourself, whatever
it is. You know, yeah, do you want to tube?
Let's go tubing. She talks about like how has she
(16:57):
met nick on? She said, have a Christian side. But
then she's like, we met on Facebook. And so basically
the father's family is like very support of her, but
of course, like the mother's family is a less and
she says some of her aunts reached out and were
like in this, and she said they were like, why
didn't you tell us rather than reach out to men
on Facebook? And it's like, well, why would she trust
(17:19):
her own family if like her family was tricking her
into having cancer and having leukemia? Yeah, of course you're
going to kind of be like, well, one I want
to date and like be secretive and like reach out
to this like creepy like anime on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
She's also on so many meds and she's like hopped
up on Xanax like every single day and all this
other stuff. I mean, some of the stuff she's taking
was very just like because she's on like Allegra and
like like I didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, it was like a lot of like she was
hopping her up also on just like children's tailant.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
All, which is why I think like not a lot
of it seems to have such permanent I think like
she's obviously permanently traumatized emotionally, but I don't think she's
physically too fucked up. She kind of does seem surprisingly
it feels like she's equilibriated to a kind of a
normal state pretty well, just by going off for TikTok Like,
I mean, obviously, I think she is very stunted in
her development in a lot of ways, but not that
(18:16):
much more than like, you know, some of them other TikTok.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
No, I'm impressed too. I'm just like, I feel like
if I was Gypsy Rose, like, yeah, I don't know
if I would be at the state she is in to.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Just be like sassy with my followers being like my
husband fuck me, yeah, and just being like, oh, yeah,
I'm not worried like about riding that.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
D when I get out, because like her husband is
a little of size, and as haters like to hate
in the comments when they got married, people were just like, oh, like,
you know, Gypsy's gonna bounce, and she was like in
the comments back to them, being like, oh, he'll please me.
And he's huge.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know, if his appendage or anything,
like the rest of them, is probably quite large, but
apparently not big enough to keep her wanting more. Yeah,
Gipsy rows back on the market, ken Lyne Fellas, I
mean that video I sent you of the two of
them shopping each of her own shopping cart at the
grocery store, and he has a sweat rag on her
(19:22):
shoulder just to like mop up in the grocery store.
One thing I think it's also interesting about her speaks
to this kind of like achieving a more normal state.
Is the book is way more like millennial girl like swifty,
then I would have anticipated there.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Well, she's a huge swifty and she literally at the
beginning of the book calls this Gypsy's version. Wait, let
me just read this part. I'd like to think of
this endeavor as a rewrite of a misinformed story you've
been told, like the Taylor's Version recordings. I know Taylor's Swift,
but if this e book were an album, I titled
it Gypsy's version, the only version that she'd be old, raw,
(20:00):
refeeling and did rhythm with the real being I'm obsessed
with the line if this ebook.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
If this were for an album, if this e book,
we're an album.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Tattoo that on my ass?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Book Club? Book Club, What was another moment that felt
very like Taylor Millennial Girl, where she's talking about her
addiction and detoxing from all the meds she was on.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Oh, I used to come to and overcame, and then
to come to again, and overcame again in parentheses finally,
yay for good an opioid addiction. I love that, like
being parenthetical being like yay, I'm over my opioid addiction.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Right, is a very like millennial gen Z Girl. I mean,
I think what's crazy is the thing that fully socialized
her was prison. Yeah, this is crazy to say, Like,
I don't know actually if she would be as like
socially normal if she hadn't gone to prison.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It was the first time she had been in a normal,
like structured setting with like a bunch of other people
her age or like.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Right, that was like get up, eat and again I'm
not pro prison and that's why I gave. But it's
literally like her schedule with her mom was wake up
at eleven am.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
The mom would bake Pillsbury like crests chilling, the slap
of the camp Okay, if you know, you know Pillsbury
heads when you crack the Pillsbury can and there's that
air pop when the dough comes out and you're just.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Like, oh, hell yeah, like we're doing Pillsbury tonight.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Okay. At the start of my day, my mother usually
slammed the sealed tube of Pillsbury biscuits against the countertop
to pop it open and bake them on a baking
shee for breakfast. I always thought the way she made
the pop sound was like magic. When the whole house
smelled buttery. She'd prepare my pediashore and meds and administered
them to meet through the feeding tube. She would eat
the biscuits herself.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
So the mom is eating the cairn of Pillsbury.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then making her epedialyte through the tube. It's so
fucking crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And then they would watch Bold and the Beautiful and
then they would maybe do an errand if there was one,
or like a point where I'm sure there were so many,
like medical appointments. Yeah, then they would like go home
and maybe watch a movie, and she would feed her
sweet peas over rice, which was usually her dinner because
they were really vegetarian, and then they would go to bed.
(22:47):
I mean, you know what I thought when I was
like wake up eleven am. Pillsbury, Bold and beautiful. I
was like, this is so you and your babysitters.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
When you it did remind me of my childhood somewhat.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
But I was like, here's the thing. It's different when
you get to skip one day of school and eat pills.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Me.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Funny is that wat in middle school, I would pretend
to get a stomach ache at least once a week,
or it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Would actually munch house into yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Chous in myself. I would actually kind of induce a
stomach ache and then would have to get picked up
at noon by my nanny, and then I would make
it home in time to watch Days of Our Lives,
which is on at one pm.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
You really similar?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, anyways, I am the gypsy Rows of Newton and
I and I wear that badge with honor and pride.
But you're also like the d D right because I'm
just being like I need to watch my stories.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I need to watch my stories, and you're like telling
yourself you have a stomach ache, you know. And Onto
also like her kind of explaining her mom. She doesn't
spend much time being like I think she's worth through that,
like doing such a rant on like what she did
was fucked up. I think she's just like it was
obviously completely twisted, and I've lost all faith in all
(24:04):
humanity and family. I will say that. But she says
her mother was molested by her father.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Which I wasn't sure to believe that at first, because
I'm like, when the mother say anything to try to
like convince the daughter to like have sympathy for her,
believe everything else, he's right. But then she said the
grandfather also most to her. Yeah, and in the doc,
the grandfather is he's not not creepy, like he is
super Cajun. But like there's this part where they ask about, like, oh,
your daughter was murdered, did you ever want to do
(24:36):
anything with ashes? And he was like a Polton put
ashes in Poland, And You're just like, okay, savage, But
also like, hmm, you know, it just suggests maybe a
lack of empathy.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I'm gonna guess something happened to the mom.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, it's a little bit just like, yeah, I'm gonna
go ahead and believe that because it's just like her, like,
instigating all that trauma against gypsy doesn't come out of nowhere.
But I think that, like, you know, obviously a lot
of people know the story but what the mom did
prior to reading the book. But the little things that
she pops out are super crazy. The revelation that the
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mom would shave.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Shave but China that I screamed when I read that terrifying.
And they would one they were bathing together.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
They got in the bath together, and then she would
shave her straight up shave her pussy. And then she
was like, yea, my mom told me that it was
because I had to be clean.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
And it was like this thing of like the purity
and the all the like the Christianity psychosis of it
all was that the mom was like, you're never clean.
Like to the mom, it was like gypsy. Just having
a body was sinful. So she was like, I need
to make you clean. I need to make you clean,
So I need to like keep shaving you and that
will make you cleaner.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I love the part where she's like, please do not
mistake this as me trying to play Freud.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Oh wait, yeah, that part she's and it's like, okay, well.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I've just examined how this might have seen for my
mother's perspective. My mother's portrayal by her own father was
exactly right of her husband. My father asking for a divorce,
and here I was the third person closer to her
that would betray her too by trying to run away
and then pulling away because I want to grow up,
and then the murder happened. She was like, I got it. Listen,
I'm no Freud. Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That felt really alto Lana del Rey to me in
this way, like don't get me wrong, I won't play
your fucking Freud. It's like I actually there you you
can play Freud.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think you can maybe do just a whisper of
psychoanalysis on your insane mom, and like you have some
pretty fair conclusions you can draw.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Definitely, you know, just like oh, she was molested. And
then she was like, basically I would call that, you know,
adjacent sexual abuse for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
With her Christianity now, Gypsy Rose is like back to
being Christian and she's being very like I believe in
God and faith. And she has a Wickan period in college,
I mean in college.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
In prison, just sort of her college.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
It's kind of her college. And she's like, yeah, I
had my wick in times because like one of my
BFFs here is Wickan. And I was like, that is
kind of A classic part of puberty, I think is
thinking you're wicken.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh for sure. I mean everyone has just being like,
I'm weird. I'm going through a weird punk phase. I mean,
you know, I became a hacker. That was my thing,
which is kind of also Wickan adjacent.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Hacker is greater wicka like yeah, typing, I bought well,
I guess my mom bought it for me.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
But I'm so punked.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
So punked the Satanic Bible when I was eleven, which
I was pretty cool of her. And then I brought
it to school and yeah, people were fucking freaked.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I'll tell you that because you get kicked out.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
No, I was told not to bring the book to school, though,
How fucking it's.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So fucked up that you were discriminated against for your beliefs.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Can you believe I was discriminated against that my public
I mean sorry, my extremely private Velmont Elementary School for
being wicked.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And when I say public, I mean extremely private.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
When I say public, I mean thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Wait, what was in the Satanic Bible? Like it was
just like a by.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Marilyn Manson's like leader Anton Levey.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, is it like spells. It spells, but a lot
of it is kind of just like general like leftists
bro anarchists thinking. So it's theory and spells, but.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
There's not stuff like the cow tongue spell that Gypsy's
mom tried to cast.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Oh yeah, so they go like shopping at one point.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Wait the part where she goes, I remember a trip
to the store where my mother marched in and handpicked
the right rock house tongue. She needed it for a recipe,
but not the kind from a Barefoot Contessa cookbook, as
my mother did eat me. She was cooking up a spell.
Parents out there, if bribing your child with new baby
dolls are tiny t starts losing effectiveness, you could always
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try telling your child that you are a powerful witch.
Because the mom is like casting a spell to like
get Gypsy Rose not to run away again. That part
is also her being kind of sassy and funny in
this humor.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, she also mentions watching Food Network in prison, so
she doesn't have Hulu, but she definitely has Food Network.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
They do have the Food Network.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So she is having her Barefoot Contessa like references and
like she does have a tablet. She's been like, ah, Cowtung. Yeah,
not the Barefoot Contessa recipes you're thinking of.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, you know, I found myself contrasting this book with
the other great piece of prison literature that we've read,
Amanda Knox's Waiting to be Heard, which is obviously very different.
Like Amanda Knox, you know, is she's a smart girl,
and the book is a pretty well reasoned defense of
like the injustices she faced at the legal system. Gypsy
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Rose is a little bit more like, you know, homeschool.
Seems like she learned English from watching Hannah Montana, like
that's where her brain is at. Still. In both, there's
this kind of like appeal to humor and being like
it's a little bit you know, the gallows humor, and
just being like, well a sun like yeah, my mom
was trying to cast spells on me, and yeah, I
did become best friends with the other girl whose boyfriend
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murdered her mom.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
And like that was her crew and she oh, so
her first crew in prison. She joined quote unquote the
Mean Girls, and I have a question for you here.
And her nickname was Jersey and Melissa's like, what do
you mean, like someone on Jersey Shore or Real Housewives
of New Jersey like a tough talking Jersey girl, and
Gypsy's like, yeah, exactly that, but I wasn't the Jersey type.
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So I feel like she joined this like badass, mean
crew of like Italian girls.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Do you think that they were all like more Italian
American quota and she was just being like, I'm so
like Southern Christian and Portcachen.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Guess I wanted to ask you, what, like what prison crew?
What like what ethnic what ethnic goes squat? Do you
think you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
In prison? I mean I always wonder because like it's
been a while since I watched Oz. I'm like, would
I be clocked as a gay guy and so I
would I get like raped so quickly? Or would I
just like fall in love with my cellne and he
would protect me and he would be my king and
my protector.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Right, and you'd be more of a choosome and be
like this is my top king that like.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I would prefer that that sounds a little bit easier,
although maybe a pack is better because if then my
king like gets knife in the yard, then I'm then
you're left rude, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Would you be like the bottom of a pack sounds like.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
A lot of work. I don't know if I have
this damn o it for that?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, I don't know. If that's so you you might
get tired out quickly.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, could I join my
fellow like German Ukrainians.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
My fellow Germans? What kind of crew would that be?
If I may?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I feel like I look too Jewish to join the
neo Nazi squad in prison?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yes, them like about to like a few and you're
like no, no, no, like.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I swear you being like no, I'm not going to
say they were.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
This is a Christian. I'm like, I do want to
talk about you being rape in person as a joke,
but like, I'm not gonna curse.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Wait, would you be in like the Italian American squad?
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I mean I like smuggling in like so which
fills you with the mozzarella to like make their veo
parmesan like on their prison stove.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, I'm like heating it up.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And I'm like really like, wouldn't you be being two
OUs in Roman for them? And you're like so yeah,
I like did you actually squeeze a fresh someone? They're like,
are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Me.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, I would be like I use my lemon.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Tappa and they're just like using so much dried lemon
pepper and so much.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Like generic from the commissary lemon pepper. And I'm just
like my friend Stephen visited me on Sunday and brought
fresh lemon.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You actually brought me like a small lemon tree. So
I prefer to ease that if we can.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Then the big ann just like beating me up, is
that you think you're so fucking fancy with your little
lemon tree.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Oh okay, well, speaking of lesbians in prison, there is
a passage that I guess I will say took my
breath away that I really.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Not prepared. Let's just read the passage.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Do you want to be gypsy?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, I guess I'll be gypsy.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Okay, I'll be in melistening. I'm gonna make a really
Italian now.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Okay, so this is Melissa kind of asking like what cruise.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Were you in? It does sound like you are in
high school. That's what we all did in high school,
just trying on different hats and trying different friend groups
to see which one fit.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
He tried to experiment with my sexuality too, I was
pretty sure I was straight, but I tried anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I thought perhaps if I experimented with women, I would
have a better chance of reaching climax. I think as
a young girl, I was exposed to watching shows Likexina,
where your princess Xena and Gabrielle were lesbians, and I
watched it and didn't understand. When I was sixteen or so,
I thought girls were pretty. So that confused me. So
I thought, am I gay? There's a saying here gay
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for this day, straight from the gate. So when in Rome,
I did kiss a couple of girls and became a
pillow princess.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Four times, Melissa goes a pillow princess.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
If you think about it for a sec, it will
make sense. Let's just say I didn't initiate, not her
being just.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Like, Yeah, so I was the bottom four times.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, I got completely railed by some big old just
fully by l.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
The lead de Lauria of Chilla Caute Correctional Institute. It's
doing life for murder and.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Him she experimented. Turns out it's not totally for her, No,
and that's okay. She ultimately loves a big sis dick
Sis and Southern Wait the part where she does talk
about the other front. Amelia and I initially bonded because
her background is similar to mine. Her boyfriend also murdered
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her mother. We are a similar age, and we were
the two girls that murdered their mothers. We both on
Mother's Day, a particularly difficult time of fear.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I mean she gets it, she literally gets it.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
She's a chica. Well, and then it's really cute her
like friend is into baking and makes her like a
prison cake that says happy Mommy issues Day on Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'll say, because.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
When like Mother's Day or Father's Day come around, like
on Instagram, like it's always half photos of like hot
in the seventies, and then the other half is people
like being like, please remember when you're posting like for
the fallen, like this is a really hard day for
people to be on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh yeah, I guess I don't see those so many
of those, But yeah, I know what you're talking about.
I guess I'm you're more in that sort.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Of yeah, And her friend was like, yeah, it's also
hard to see photos of people's moms when like you
personally were kind of the.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
One when you were the catalyst for your mother's murder.
Just be aware of some people who are in that community,
the community of people whose boyfriends did murder their moms.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
When you're posting for Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Okay, here's my more political question. I am of the
mind that if Gypsy Rose is now out of jail,
I kind of think the boyfriend should be out of
jail too.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I understand that he's the one who stabbed and like
that represents like a craziness and like an ability to
commit violence in the way that maybe she doesn't. But
I'm just more from a philosophical legal perspective. If we
are saying that the abuse she suffered justifies, or not
justifies the murder, but at least like justifies a lessoned
sentence for murder, then I think we have to justify
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it for the other person who was involved, because it
couldn't have happened without both of them. The legal systems
decided that they were accomplices. It's decided that like he
needed her to commit the murder, she needed him to
commit the murder. So if we're going to say that
she has now done our time, I think we have
to say that he's in time too.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I fully agree, And I know there's a lot of
online discourse yeah about this couple, and I mean Gypsy
Rose in this book ebook refers to him as like
a narcissist, you know, like how he convinced her to
be with him, And so I think maybe the courter
is like, well, right, like, is he a type of
person who could do this to someone else because he
is mentally ill and like looking to kind of get
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out those sort of feelings.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, I mean for sure, but I also think that,
but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Kind of with you. I'm like, well, so she's out,
he should be out.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You can make that argument about anyone, I guess. And
I'm also just like her situation is so specific. I'm like,
is he going to be searching for them on Munchausen's
Girl whose mom he needs to kill?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
He gets on Facebook? Again?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
It's like, I mean, not that he's not creepy, like
for sure, like no one is denying that, but I
just think that, like if we're gonna say that there
was some amount of like just a vacation here in
lessening the sentence because of all the abuse, then he
needs to be like included in them.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, because I would like to. I guess I go
back in the court of like why right, their reason
is because like he was the one that did it,
did it.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But because there's situations there's legal precedence for. And no,
I don't have the cases in front of me, but
I do feel like there's times when the person who
actually like pulls the trigger or stabs the person or whoever,
you know, the so called assassin gets less of a
sentence than the mastermind of a killing.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Compare this, say to the mafia or something like that. Right,
it's like, you know, the like hitmen are usually the
ones that are found first because they're the ones that
like did the murder. But it's like there's a mastermind
behind that, which is in a sense more evil because
they're like planning it all and hiring people.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
And yeah, and so if we're saying that she's not
really like evil, she's just like living in this her
brain is like not in the right state of mind.
And also she was so abused and she felt this
only way she could escape, which I think is totally
a rational understanding of the situation. Then we're like, Okay,
so she kind of put him up to it, but
He also like they were in this twisted situation and
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he was excited by it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean that's like prison. What are we gonna
do about it?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
What are we gonna do about it? You know, we
just want to throw people in prison.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Literally, what are we gonna do about it?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
It is a problem. My other question, like take question,
is like I still don't understand how so many yes,
like prescribed her all this shit for a condition she
didn't have. I understand the mom is a master manipulator.
I understand she like Katrina, destroyed the hospital records, But
I'm just like, how are you going to diagnose someone
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with leukemia if they don't have the presence of like
leukemia in their blood. It's just kind of like, how
are they not running blood tests and seeing that she's fine?
And that one doctor who was like, actually her legs
like don't have muscular district at all and so she
clearly like is able to use her leg muscles. Why
was that only one person you ever thought that?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
And this is why this case took the nation and
so many documentary films and Hulu shows, is You're like,
how could just like the amount of doctor's medical professionals
which then makes you question the entire medical field.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
It does, and I feel like we all know doctors
like barely spend any time with patients and they just
like hustle you in and out of there. And then
I'm just like, I don't know, Like doctors do just
want to fucking prescribe drugs and they just want to
give you storage and send your your way.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
And so it's like while you're literally getting the surgery
and they're looking at the forms, and I guess the
thing is, like, what was she going to? Like I'm
sure people will like fact check me on this, going
to so many different doctors, So it's like that was
a way to lie.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Partially, yes, but I can understand like getting a prescription
for like an inhaler or fucking xanax for anxiety.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
For example, not that you would ever know anything about.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
It, Not that I would know anything about that.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
By the way, Mental Health Awareness Month.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Starts now, starts now, But like how you can be
getting surgeries and a feeding tube installed just based on
like a mom's conjecture seems insane. How can there be
some concrete evidence for.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
That, especially when we talk about like grifters and master manipulators,
you're kind of seeing the interviews with the mom and
you're like, this woman, Yeah, no offense to de Deie Blanchard,
but I'm like, you convinced this doctor that she had leukemia.
It's and like maybe it's like once she had one
report that she can like pass that on to the
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next doctor.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
It's not adding up segments, dead Dearest. What does she wear?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Does she eat?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
How does she live? Okay, what does she wear? I
like the part in the book where she talks about
using her prison bedsheet as a toga.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Oh for like ancient Greece Halloween, because there's a section
where the woman is like do you like Halloween and holidays?
Like what are you excited for? And she's like, at first,
I did Halloween in jail, and I did Ancient Greece.
But then she got kind of I think depressed and
was like I'm not gonna do this. But she does
plan on doing Beating the Beast with Ryan. That of
course was before they broke.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Up, so.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Maybe she'll find another beast.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
So she is a admitted Disney adult and she's like
I know all Disney trivia and like Brian like won't
let me enter Disney trivia contest wind too much.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
When a man holds you back from Disney trivia.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
So obviously she's gonna have Peter Panton's room I think
forever probably.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, Like of course she's a Disney fan, and it's
like she's just also even discovering like Disney like live
action sitcoms.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Like I feel like she was getting dressed up in
such princess outfits and that was kind of her, Like
she drives that JC Penny prom dress right photos.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
When she kind of gets out, now she's either like
kind of call your Daddy hoodie style or it's like
also still pretty like Dillard's.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
And it's like it's more Dillards though it's more QVC
where it is kind of Reba. So it's like she's
a shirt with like wings, It's.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
A shirt with wings and then like knee high pleather
dsw boots with like black tights and like a chunky sweater.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
How does she live? I think that, you know, her
mom was obviously a hoarder and was making her steel
CDs from Sam Goodie and using her wheelchair as a cover.
That was insane, so insane. I do think that, like,
you know, being out of prison, you are going to
have this desire to accumulate material things.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Definitely, But I think she also recognized her mom with
such a hoarder, so I don't think she's gonna go
that mode. I mean, I do think she still probably
like does love home goods and is going to home
goods like being like this is so cute.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, And I think that they're like condo outside of
New Orleans or whatever.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Because they had to move from Missouri by.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
The court, so like for her parole reasons whatever, and
like they're like, you're gonna kill more moms.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
And miss well, it was this whole thing about like
the Chiefs because she's such a Chiefs fan. They were like,
we want you out for the super Bowl because like
there's too much going on Missouri right now.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
We can't keep track of both the super Bowl and
Gypsy Rose at the same time time. It's too much
for the government.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Taylor shifted Gypsy Rose. Basically, they were like, not the
same state. Two queens can't be in the same state.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Two queens, two queendoms.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
So yeah, I'm imagining like a stunning micro fiber.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Thirty I think, yeah, thirty couples, and like it's like
a dark, big microfiber couch. I think it's like a
brown carbet. I think there is like a raught iron
you know, eight tier bookcase, and then like you know,
family is where the home is, like the kind.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Of the classic Live laf love stuff. I think probably
a lot of like family photos of her and her dad,
who in this ebook has like so many nineties grails.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, I mean the dad in the dock seems like
pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
No, the dad is like cat.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
He is like such a mom, is like so fun.
And when he puts on like a beige pork pie
hat and she's like nope, oh yes, and he puts
a gray pork pi hat and she's like, there you.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
That's the one. And he has like he is a
sexy Southern accent and he's wearing like noosies and pork.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Pies and yeah, he's also very Cajun.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
He's my adult.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Okay, what does she eat?
Speaker 6 (46:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
She wants to try she wants to try Mexican food.
She never tried it in prison.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
She's like, yeah, I don't know if I like Mexican
food yet, but I'm gonna try it. And she's like,
who knows, Maybe when I get out of here, I'm
going to be a food and wine connoisseur. And I
was like, okay me, oh, she's I love to make
silly voices and practice exotic accents as I'm a clown.
I love dictionaries. I don't expect those things to go
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away when I'm ninety, but in the future, after I'm released,
I might become a food or wine connoisseur, or take
a figure skating or own my own business. It's such
a shop of light.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I think she probably enjoys going to Walmart and buying
like a ton of like pre cut a rite up potatoes,
but then it's also getting like do you think she's
like buying an egg plant, just being like I don't
know how I'm gonna do with it, but I'm buying
it because it's cool looking.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I think so she's like, let's do it, and it's
like holding up being like, oh my god, Ryan like
what is this and he's like laughing.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, He's like this is what I got in my pants?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
My god, you're so crapy. Well again, she says he
makes a mean gumbo. But I think she wants to
try new cuisines. I feel like she is gonna try
a flatbread and be wowed.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I feel like she's probably getting into sushi.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, sosh drizzled the fuck with some spicy mayo.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
And I'm going to say this because I've been to
Greater New Orleans Vietnamese food. I don't know if she's
at Bon Me yet, but I think she's within me.
She's going to discover about me for sure.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Do you think fu will be too triggering because of
like it is more organ tripe based and like after
the mom's like cow tongue spells.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, could be.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
I see her looking tom yum soup.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean, who doesn't can't wait for her tie era? Okay,
who are you in the book?
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I guess I am Gypsy Roads in the sense that
like or I'm the mom in the sense that I'm
like giving myself be my own daughter a stomach ache
to go watch soap operas.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Definitely, and I'm so Melissa like pretending I don't know
gossip where I'm like, wait, Gypsy, what do you mean
by that?
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, no, you are a fake. So I give this
e book. I'm gonna go and say like three point
seven bloody knives out of five because it's fun, it's quick, literally,
it's a pdf. I appreciate that she took time to
tell her story. It's pretty Christian. You know, there's more
(48:40):
than I would have thought about, like life in prison.
I think maybe there could be obviously, Like.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Well, as she says, I think she's like, I want
to do a memoir.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
But like I think, for who she is and what
she's been through, this is a pretty well well measured,
well balanced exploration. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
I think I would give it three point seven three
point eight tubes out of five. Yeah, just for what
she's been through where she is now to have kind
of the humor and the reflection about like being angry
but also feeling bad and grief and love and daily
life anecdotes.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Thank you, gypsy, what for telling your story. We wish
you many murder free years to come.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
You are mother, Continue to mother, Stay mothers, stay mother,
best Best.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
This show was executive produced by Christina Everett, who is
currently in jail for the murder of her cousin who
was a cruise ship director. And she murdered and I
met S and so she's actually in prison at S.
It was produced by Darby Masters, who is also currently
(49:57):
doing seven years at a minim security prison Upstate for
conspiring to murder a cat, which is fucked up that
she's not in a maximum security prison for that, because
I think cats are people too. The supervising producer was
Abu Zafar, who actually passed away at dani Mora Correctional Institute,
(50:22):
which is also Upstatement, is actually a maximum security prison.
He was trying to escape and he strangled himself with
a bed sheet. It was incredible, silly, It was a
weird accident anyway. The theme song was Mavis and Bilbsorted,
who also did the theme song for the Alcatraz tour,
(50:48):
and the graphic design was of a Teddy Blanks who
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
You are receiving a call from get you out from
Kollecathy Correctional Institute. Do you accept the charges?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I hey, baby cakes. How you doing Gypsy Baby?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi? Ryan, I'm so excited to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Oh, I'm so excited hear your voice. I've been thinking
about it all day at the special education classes I teach. Damn,
can wait? Come home? Let out the dogs call you?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Are you talking about your actual dogs? Take a big
pack and your pants that I'm gonna see in our next.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You're so naughty, baby.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But I feel a good girl.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hi, Damn, you get me going. How are you feeling today, baby?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh? I'm pretty good. I just got my certificate of
completion in my how to Relax cast, which I've been
taking for sixteen weeks in prison.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I can't wait till you relax me. We can give
each other really long foot massages.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
What do you mean like you have a long foot for.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Oh? Baby, you know I'm packing for you.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I like how baby you are makes me feel small.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I can't wait till you sit on my lap and
we can watch all my favorite television programs like Chicago Med.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I've always heard about Chicago med. We don't get paramount
pleasant prison, but super excited.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Baby. I'll subscribe to all the streaming services for you.
How about this sound When you come home, I'm gonna
make you my special special gumbo kicking with spices. I'm
talking tyane and it's gonna make you hot and sweety.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay, yummy.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Then we're gonna fire up Zobe one on one.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You have one more minute. Okay, let's just how phone sets.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Now, Oh, Gypsy, No, no, no, that is not Christian.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Okay, I'll wait for the visit.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Four days, five hours, three minutes, twenty one seconds.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You're my big drunk kangaroo elephant man. I love you.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I love you, baby. I'll call you in twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Who's that knocking at the door.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's all your friends, your filthy horse. Your husband's gone,
and we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's Martini.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Celebrity book Club.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Read it while it's hot. Celebrity book Club. I'll tell
your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No boys are alloud.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Celet book say it loud and cloud celebrity book buzz
me in. I brought the queer vow.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Hey friend, how are y'all?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Are? You know?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good, you know, as good
as I can in these circumstances.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I know it's been such a tough time for America lately.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I mean, you look cloaked in darkness right now.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I am feeling pretty dark in my home office right now.
You know, it can get really hot and here I
am in a windowless space, as you know. So yes,
we try to keep the lights low.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
It's so funny you just said windowless space made me
think of jail cells.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, before we get through anything, you guys. That's to
say we fully believe in alternatives to incarceration. And please
donate to your local community bilfund if you have the cash.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
If you don't have the cash, well, literally no pressure.
But the most you can do is share this episode.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Please please share this episode to spread awareness.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Today we read yes, it's a book.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Well kind, it is an ebook, And this is the
first official ebook you've ever read on this podcast. We've
gotten into some PDFs. Yeah, and like I'm sure like
because we weread ted Kazinski's manifesto, which I'm sure if
like there had been ebooks when he was around, it
would have been an e.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Book, but it would have also been a zene.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, the books are like not as punk a zines
because e books are a little bit just like m M.
You actually have a lot to say. But no major
publishing house was willing to like publish your boook, which
is kind of crazy because she is famous, this person
whose book we did. It's kind of surprising.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well, I think there is going to be like a
bigger memoir. This was like just to get the ball rolling,
I think.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, So of course what book are we talking about?
What celebrity the e book are we talking about? Well
known author? Do we dive into this week? You know
her from you.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Know her from Aiden and the Bed and Kind and the.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Murder of her Mother. You know her from being the
most famous victim of chauzhens by proxy in recent history. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I don't even know a more famouse one in ancient history.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
She was the subject of the Hulu original film The Act.
She was the subject of the HBO documentary Mommy, Dad
and Dearest.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Those were the two big ones. But there's been other docs.
You know her for being a huge Chiefs fan. You
know her from being a big Londadela Rey fan.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know her from going on TikTok and recently deleting
her tech talk account.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You know her from getting married in prison to her
big strong Southern man Ryan, and just four months after
being released announcing that they're separating. Are we surprised?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We, of course are talking about none other that Gypsy.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And her ebook released.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Conversations on the Eve of Freedom.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
With Melissa Moore and Michelle.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So for those of you who don't now, Gypsy Rose
was recently released on par role in twenty twenty four
after being contradicted of the murder of her mother ten
years ago with her boyfriend or friend at the time,
Nick Godda John, who is still in prison for life.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I doe for a life sentence because he kind of
did the super murdering.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yes, And as she describes in a drawing in this book,
she was the hand that held the hammer and he
was the hammer that smashed the photograph of her and
her mother's life and their home life living in the
Habitat for Humanity constructed house that they lived in.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Because they survived hur Kane Katrina. Yeah, if you don't know,
like Gypsy Rose, the story, as we always say, you
are living contor.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But basically her mom Munchausen's the out of her.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Like we are talking. Her mom convinced the entire medical system.
She was sick, all their family around her. She was
in a wheelchair, back brace, had multiple multiple surgery.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Older, she had leukemia. She was on like drugs for
LUKINI was always shaving her head even though she wasn't
getting chemo. To'd be just like, well, your hair's gonna
fall out, so we gotta shave your head. Was always
like numbing her gums. I don't know how she was
doing something now her like teeth don't grow and she
has to have adventures, so now she fully has. She
had a feeding tube, inch saws a scar from the
feeding tube. She gasled her but her own age and
(07:30):
told her she was like seven years younger than she
actually was.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
She gasled her. I mean Gasla is almost even as
the main like Keros kind of who got her out
was her biological father, who the mom basically was like,
oh no, he hates us, and he's like never paid
for anything, when in fact she.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Lied gypsy rose her whole life, cleaning her that her
dad had abandoned them, even though he was secretly sending
her like Christmas presents every year and the mom was
never giving them to her.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And he was paying a lot for all of the
like surgeries that she was.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Having named So this book was written, as the subtitle implies,
on the eve of her release. And this book is crazy.
So I don't know if this is just so we
have like this press copy, but it is a word doc,
like there wasn't even any layout in an attempt to
make it seem more book esque, like it is a
straight up word doc. We're talking times new Roman Roman,
(08:31):
like double spaced Mama.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And so the conversations are with Melissa Moore, who is
the daughter of the happy Face serial killer, who is
now like such this like blonde true crime host who
is like now an expert on like victims of crimes.
So she wrote a book called like Shattering My Image
(08:59):
Fragments of My Life and about like how you know
what it's like to be the daughter of a siler killer.
She's been on Doctor Oz and so I feel like she's,
you know, really and she also is a fellow I
heard hosts.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
She's part of the kind of like the sort of
family murder community.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, like the blonde family murder community. And it's like,
I'll give this to her, Like, I don't think Nancy Grace,
who's like the most blonde head of the murder community,
has experienced.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Person Nancy Grace is not really a member of the community.
She's just a fucking carpetbagger because she's obsessed with everyone
else's trauma. But like she's not right, this woman has
the trauma. So yeah, it's like Nancy Grace didn't like
walk in and find her like cousin murdering her aunt,
or like didn't pay her cousin to murder her aunt, you.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Know, which is why I think it's kind of cool
because at first, when I was reading, I was like,
this is just you know, another woman.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You know, taking advantage of Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I loved the act the acclaimed Toulu series. But I'll
tell you this, to quote Jip she rose, we don't
get Hulu in prison, and I'm glad.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
We don't die at that's so good, Yeah, because you know,
I mean, people never like movies that are about them,
and it's kind of like well you might have been
get over it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well, I think she did. Like Mommy Dearest, which is
directed by this woman Aaron Carr, who also directed that
doc about the I Love You Now Die girl from
Playing Field.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Masks oh our Massachusetts queen who told her boyfriend to
like get back in the car, get back in the car,
kill yourself, iconic chaotic queen. I mean, at the end
of the day, like, I think she appreciates having some
sort of platform to tell her a story, and I
(10:50):
think she appreciates the attention at it. I mean, she
wouldn't have met either of her prison boyfriends because, as
she reveals in this ebook, I met my first like
boyfriend in prison when he saw Mommy Dedandiras and like
wrote to me on a dare. And then she starts
dating Ryan because like he hears about her on the act.
But after her first worfriend breaks up with her because
there's too much attention from the act. Yes, so you
(11:11):
know it's the two sides of a coin for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I want to get into just that's a great point.
The interview style of this woman who's kind of playing
dumb with Gypsy Rose to like get her to explain
things more.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So Gypsy Rose is talking about how she first met Ryan.
She's like, yeah, he wrote to me on a dare
and the woman she's like, I'm sorry, I don't follow, Like,
why would anyone write to you the most famous like
munch Hime by proxy girl who like killed her mother
on a dare? And I just thought that was like
(11:44):
a little like you.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Know why exactly why? But you want her to say it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
She's like, oh, okay, Well it was the pandemic and
people were hanging out with not much to do, and
so he dared his friend to write to Tiger King
and she dared him to write too.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, she does this a lot. Wait can we read
this little section if you go to page forty eight
in your ebook, let me pull it up on preview. Wait,
can we do this exchange that Melissa does with Gypsy
where she's being like, oh my god, this is weird
and you're kind of learning.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
This is on the chapter on God and Faith.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
This is a free call from an offender at Chili
Cooth Correctional Center. We're sorry, this systems experiencing technical difficulties.
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Speaker 3 (12:23):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
This is a free call from an offender at Chili
Coth Correctional Center to accept this free call press one Hello, Hi.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Hi, and here hi.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That was so weird. It was telling me my pen
wasn't working. I'm so sorry about that. Oh my god,
no worries, no worries. I thought it was weird because
today I was going to ask you more about your
mother's interest in witchcraft and spells. So I thought maybe
we could cast one on the phone system or something.
I'm gypsy, but not that kind of gypsy. I highlighted
(12:55):
that line by the way, I did say laughter. Oh
my god, that is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I was like, Okay, Melissa, you fake us, bitch.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, was this a prominent feature your life growing up?
The interest or practice?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's all. It's a great segue, Melissa. I mean, one
thing that's insane about this book is it, as we said,
it is a full word doc. But what I like
is that it includes all these straight up conversations in
addition to Gypsy's like passages that she has written or
has written with the help of Melissa that are like
(13:31):
from their own voice. But just when the book like
starts out, You're like, oh, I know this is going
to be a cuckoo Cuckoo book, like the first intro
is Mother, I am now twenty eight years old and
in prison for my part in your murder. And though
I can never justify my crime, nor can any letter
apology give back the life I was taken, I'm writing
(13:53):
this as if you were physically in front of me,
but all that I've held and for the whole of
my life, I'm just like, Okay, So starting with a
letter to the dead mother whose murderer she did collaborate on, and.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
She wrote it in a class called Impact of Crime
on Victims class.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And what's interesting, so in the being here, she says,
you know, I learned to think of myself as a
victim as well, even though my mother's also a victim.
And I also had never thought about Nick as a
victim before, but now seeing him as a victim in
all of this as well, I would say, you see
a lot of both seemingly understanding for everyone's role, empathy
and accountability for her role. I mean, she really does
(14:34):
straight up and mick because when I watched The Donk
last night, which frankly i'd never seen.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Before, and you know, you don't live in a true
crime household.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I do not live in a true crime household.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Poor the red Wine. We're watching true crime tonight.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
My friend is not obsessed with like snapped on Oxygens
watching Verse eleven, but like she denies Denis denies at first,
and she does not accept a possility. I'm like, and
you start to see like all the texts of her
encouraging her boyfriend to do it, just being like.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I can't take it anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I need you to kill my mom and then her
Like one of the craziest parts of that doc is
have you seen the doc? Yeah? You remember the part
where like it's after it was so refreshed after they've
killed the mom. There's like this like video of her
and the boyfriend in a hotel. I'm like, oh, yeah,
they're like in the bed and he's eating like chocolate
(15:24):
or something.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
She's like, it's funny because you're eating chocolate, but you're
about to eat me.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I'm so fucking creepy.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I Mean, the craziest part about all this is that
she's super horny. That is I think the through line
from beginning of eating and.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Of course she would be because her mom has pathologized
her so much and made her be this little five
year old girl forever and like made her, prevented her
because it's like, on the one hand, when you prevent
somebody from having something, you want it more. It's like, hello,
who are those like the sluttiest, most closeted people like Christians?
You know, it's just like he who wants to drink
(16:02):
American teens not Dutch teens because who cares?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Exactly, thank you, And that's on the done.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That's on the Dutch Mama, we said it. Where do
you see all the alcohol poisoning? And you see it
in America because we forbid it. And you know, it's
like hello, Eve the apple, right, we always want when
we can't have Eve was Frank. It was Frand you
know there's a lot of that going on here. But
it's like also just like the whole esthetic of like
their whole crazy ass horder habitat for humanity, never leaving
the house, Like Vibe is just like, so what else
(16:32):
are you going to do? But just like fantasize about getting.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Fuck her, fingering yourself with your feeding, tubing yourself, whatever
it is. You know, yeah, do you want to tube?
Let's go tubing. She talks about like how has she
(16:57):
met nick on? She said, have a Christian side. But
then she's like, we met on Facebook. And so basically
the father's family is like very support of her, but
of course, like the mother's family is a less and
she says some of her aunts reached out and were
like in this, and she said they were like, why
didn't you tell us rather than reach out to men
on Facebook? And it's like, well, why would she trust
(17:19):
her own family if like her family was tricking her
into having cancer and having leukemia? Yeah, of course you're
going to kind of be like, well, one I want
to date and like be secretive and like reach out
to this like creepy like anime on Facebook.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
She's also on so many meds and she's like hopped
up on Xanax like every single day and all this
other stuff. I mean, some of the stuff she's taking
was very just like because she's on like Allegra and
like like I didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, it was like a lot of like she was
hopping her up also on just like children's tailant.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
All, which is why I think like not a lot
of it seems to have such permanent I think like
she's obviously permanently traumatized emotionally, but I don't think she's
physically too fucked up. She kind of does seem surprisingly
it feels like she's equilibriated to a kind of a
normal state pretty well, just by going off for TikTok Like,
I mean, obviously, I think she is very stunted in
her development in a lot of ways, but not that
(18:16):
much more than like, you know, some of them other TikTok.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
No, I'm impressed too. I'm just like, I feel like
if I was Gypsy Rose, like, yeah, I don't know
if I would be at the state she is in to.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Just be like sassy with my followers being like my
husband fuck me, yeah, and just being like, oh, yeah,
I'm not worried like about riding that.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
D when I get out, because like her husband is
a little of size, and as haters like to hate
in the comments when they got married, people were just like, oh, like,
you know, Gypsy's gonna bounce, and she was like in
the comments back to them, being like, oh, he'll please me.
And he's huge.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know, if his appendage or anything,
like the rest of them, is probably quite large, but
apparently not big enough to keep her wanting more. Yeah,
Gipsy rows back on the market, ken Lyne Fellas, I
mean that video I sent you of the two of
them shopping each of her own shopping cart at the
grocery store, and he has a sweat rag on her
(19:22):
shoulder just to like mop up in the grocery store.
One thing I think it's also interesting about her speaks
to this kind of like achieving a more normal state.
Is the book is way more like millennial girl like swifty,
then I would have anticipated there.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Well, she's a huge swifty and she literally at the
beginning of the book calls this Gypsy's version. Wait, let
me just read this part. I'd like to think of
this endeavor as a rewrite of a misinformed story you've
been told, like the Taylor's Version recordings. I know Taylor's Swift,
but if this e book were an album, I titled
it Gypsy's version, the only version that she'd be old, raw,
(20:00):
refeeling and did rhythm with the real being I'm obsessed
with the line if this ebook.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
If this were for an album, if this e book,
we're an album.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Tattoo that on my ass?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Book Club? Book Club, What was another moment that felt
very like Taylor Millennial Girl, where she's talking about her
addiction and detoxing from all the meds she was on.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Oh, I used to come to and overcame, and then
to come to again, and overcame again in parentheses finally,
yay for good an opioid addiction. I love that, like
being parenthetical being like yay, I'm over my opioid addiction.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Right, is a very like millennial gen Z Girl. I mean,
I think what's crazy is the thing that fully socialized
her was prison. Yeah, this is crazy to say, Like,
I don't know actually if she would be as like
socially normal if she hadn't gone to prison.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It was the first time she had been in a normal,
like structured setting with like a bunch of other people
her age or like.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Right, that was like get up, eat and again I'm
not pro prison and that's why I gave. But it's
literally like her schedule with her mom was wake up
at eleven am.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
The mom would bake Pillsbury like crests chilling, the slap
of the camp Okay, if you know, you know Pillsbury
heads when you crack the Pillsbury can and there's that
air pop when the dough comes out and you're just.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Like, oh, hell yeah, like we're doing Pillsbury tonight.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Okay. At the start of my day, my mother usually
slammed the sealed tube of Pillsbury biscuits against the countertop
to pop it open and bake them on a baking
shee for breakfast. I always thought the way she made
the pop sound was like magic. When the whole house
smelled buttery. She'd prepare my pediashore and meds and administered
them to meet through the feeding tube. She would eat
the biscuits herself.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
So the mom is eating the cairn of Pillsbury.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then making her epedialyte through the tube. It's so
fucking crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And then they would watch Bold and the Beautiful and
then they would maybe do an errand if there was one,
or like a point where I'm sure there were so many,
like medical appointments. Yeah, then they would like go home
and maybe watch a movie, and she would feed her
sweet peas over rice, which was usually her dinner because
they were really vegetarian, and then they would go to bed.
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I mean, you know what I thought when I was
like wake up eleven am. Pillsbury, Bold and beautiful. I
was like, this is so you and your babysitters.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
When you it did remind me of my childhood somewhat.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
But I was like, here's the thing. It's different when
you get to skip one day of school and eat pills.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Me.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Funny is that wat in middle school, I would pretend
to get a stomach ache at least once a week,
or it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Would actually munch house into yourself.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Chous in myself. I would actually kind of induce a
stomach ache and then would have to get picked up
at noon by my nanny, and then I would make
it home in time to watch Days of Our Lives,
which is on at one pm.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
You really similar?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, anyways, I am the gypsy Rows of Newton and
I and I wear that badge with honor and pride.
But you're also like the d D right because I'm
just being like I need to watch my stories.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I need to watch my stories, and you're like telling
yourself you have a stomach ache, you know. And Onto
also like her kind of explaining her mom. She doesn't
spend much time being like I think she's worth through that,
like doing such a rant on like what she did
was fucked up. I think she's just like it was
obviously completely twisted, and I've lost all faith in all
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humanity and family. I will say that. But she says
her mother was molested by her father.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Which I wasn't sure to believe that at first, because
I'm like, when the mother say anything to try to
like convince the daughter to like have sympathy for her,
believe everything else, he's right. But then she said the
grandfather also most to her. Yeah, and in the doc,
the grandfather is he's not not creepy, like he is
super Cajun. But like there's this part where they ask about, like, oh,
your daughter was murdered, did you ever want to do
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anything with ashes? And he was like a Polton put
ashes in Poland, And You're just like, okay, savage, But
also like, hmm, you know, it just suggests maybe a
lack of empathy.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I'm gonna guess something happened to the mom.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, it's a little bit just like, yeah, I'm gonna
go ahead and believe that because it's just like her, like,
instigating all that trauma against gypsy doesn't come out of nowhere.
But I think that, like, you know, obviously a lot
of people know the story but what the mom did
prior to reading the book. But the little things that
she pops out are super crazy. The revelation that the
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mom would shave.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Shave but China that I screamed when I read that terrifying.
And they would one they were bathing together.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
They got in the bath together, and then she would
shave her straight up shave her pussy. And then she
was like, yea, my mom told me that it was
because I had to be clean.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
And it was like this thing of like the purity
and the all the like the Christianity psychosis of it
all was that the mom was like, you're never clean.
Like to the mom, it was like gypsy. Just having
a body was sinful. So she was like, I need
to make you clean. I need to make you clean,
So I need to like keep shaving you and that
will make you cleaner.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I love the part where she's like, please do not
mistake this as me trying to play Freud.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Oh wait, yeah, that part she's and it's like, okay, well.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I've just examined how this might have seen for my
mother's perspective. My mother's portrayal by her own father was
exactly right of her husband. My father asking for a divorce,
and here I was the third person closer to her
that would betray her too by trying to run away
and then pulling away because I want to grow up,
and then the murder happened. She was like, I got it. Listen,
I'm no Freud. Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That felt really alto Lana del Rey to me in
this way, like don't get me wrong, I won't play
your fucking Freud. It's like I actually there you you
can play Freud.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think you can maybe do just a whisper of
psychoanalysis on your insane mom, and like you have some
pretty fair conclusions you can draw.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Definitely, you know, just like oh, she was molested. And
then she was like, basically I would call that, you know,
adjacent sexual abuse for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
With her Christianity now, Gypsy Rose is like back to
being Christian and she's being very like I believe in
God and faith. And she has a Wickan period in college,
I mean in college.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
In prison, just sort of her college.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
It's kind of her college. And she's like, yeah, I
had my wick in times because like one of my
BFFs here is Wickan. And I was like, that is
kind of A classic part of puberty, I think is
thinking you're wicken.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Oh for sure. I mean everyone has just being like,
I'm weird. I'm going through a weird punk phase. I mean,
you know, I became a hacker. That was my thing,
which is kind of also Wickan adjacent.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Hacker is greater wicka like yeah, typing, I bought well,
I guess my mom bought it for me.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
But I'm so punked.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
So punked the Satanic Bible when I was eleven, which
I was pretty cool of her. And then I brought
it to school and yeah, people were fucking freaked.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I'll tell you that because you get kicked out.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
No, I was told not to bring the book to school, though,
How fucking it's.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So fucked up that you were discriminated against for your beliefs.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Can you believe I was discriminated against that my public
I mean sorry, my extremely private Velmont Elementary School for
being wicked.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And when I say public, I mean extremely private.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
When I say public, I mean thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Wait, what was in the Satanic Bible? Like it was
just like a by.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Marilyn Manson's like leader Anton Levey.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, is it like spells. It spells, but a lot
of it is kind of just like general like leftists
bro anarchists thinking. So it's theory and spells, but.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
There's not stuff like the cow tongue spell that Gypsy's
mom tried to cast.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Oh yeah, so they go like shopping at one point.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Wait the part where she goes, I remember a trip
to the store where my mother marched in and handpicked
the right rock house tongue. She needed it for a recipe,
but not the kind from a Barefoot Contessa cookbook, as
my mother did eat me. She was cooking up a spell.
Parents out there, if bribing your child with new baby
dolls are tiny t starts losing effectiveness, you could always
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try telling your child that you are a powerful witch.
Because the mom is like casting a spell to like
get Gypsy Rose not to run away again. That part
is also her being kind of sassy and funny in
this humor.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, she also mentions watching Food Network in prison, so
she doesn't have Hulu, but she definitely has Food Network.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
They do have the Food Network.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So she is having her Barefoot Contessa like references and
like she does have a tablet. She's been like, ah, Cowtung. Yeah,
not the Barefoot Contessa recipes you're thinking of.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, you know, I found myself contrasting this book with
the other great piece of prison literature that we've read,
Amanda Knox's Waiting to be Heard, which is obviously very different.
Like Amanda Knox, you know, is she's a smart girl,
and the book is a pretty well reasoned defense of
like the injustices she faced at the legal system. Gypsy
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Rose is a little bit more like, you know, homeschool.
Seems like she learned English from watching Hannah Montana, like
that's where her brain is at. Still. In both, there's
this kind of like appeal to humor and being like
it's a little bit you know, the gallows humor, and
just being like, well a sun like yeah, my mom
was trying to cast spells on me, and yeah, I
did become best friends with the other girl whose boyfriend
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murdered her mom.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
And like that was her crew and she oh, so
her first crew in prison. She joined quote unquote the
Mean Girls, and I have a question for you here.
And her nickname was Jersey and Melissa's like, what do
you mean, like someone on Jersey Shore or Real Housewives
of New Jersey like a tough talking Jersey girl, and
Gypsy's like, yeah, exactly that, but I wasn't the Jersey type.
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So I feel like she joined this like badass, mean
crew of like Italian girls.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Do you think that they were all like more Italian
American quota and she was just being like, I'm so
like Southern Christian and Portcachen.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Guess I wanted to ask you, what, like what prison crew?
What like what ethnic what ethnic goes squat? Do you
think you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
In prison? I mean I always wonder because like it's
been a while since I watched Oz. I'm like, would
I be clocked as a gay guy and so I
would I get like raped so quickly? Or would I
just like fall in love with my cellne and he
would protect me and he would be my king and
my protector.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Right, and you'd be more of a choosome and be
like this is my top king that like.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I would prefer that that sounds a little bit easier,
although maybe a pack is better because if then my
king like gets knife in the yard, then I'm then
you're left rude, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Would you be like the bottom of a pack sounds like.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
A lot of work. I don't know if I have
this damn o it for that?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, I don't know. If that's so you you might
get tired out quickly.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, could I join my
fellow like German Ukrainians.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
My fellow Germans? What kind of crew would that be?
If I may?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I feel like I look too Jewish to join the
neo Nazi squad in prison?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yes, them like about to like a few and you're
like no, no, no, like.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I swear you being like no, I'm not going to
say they were.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
This is a Christian. I'm like, I do want to
talk about you being rape in person as a joke,
but like, I'm not gonna curse.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Wait, would you be in like the Italian American squad?
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, I mean I like smuggling in like so which
fills you with the mozzarella to like make their veo
parmesan like on their prison stove.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, I'm like heating it up.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
And I'm like really like, wouldn't you be being two
OUs in Roman for them? And you're like so yeah,
I like did you actually squeeze a fresh someone? They're like,
are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Me.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, I would be like I use my lemon.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Tappa and they're just like using so much dried lemon
pepper and so much.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Like generic from the commissary lemon pepper. And I'm just
like my friend Stephen visited me on Sunday and brought
fresh lemon.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You actually brought me like a small lemon tree. So
I prefer to ease that if we can.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Then the big ann just like beating me up, is
that you think you're so fucking fancy with your little
lemon tree.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Oh okay, well, speaking of lesbians in prison, there is
a passage that I guess I will say took my
breath away that I really.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Not prepared. Let's just read the passage.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Do you want to be gypsy?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, I guess I'll be gypsy.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Okay, I'll be in melistening. I'm gonna make a really
Italian now.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Okay, so this is Melissa kind of asking like what cruise.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Were you in? It does sound like you are in
high school. That's what we all did in high school,
just trying on different hats and trying different friend groups
to see which one fit.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
He tried to experiment with my sexuality too, I was
pretty sure I was straight, but I tried anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I thought perhaps if I experimented with women, I would
have a better chance of reaching climax. I think as
a young girl, I was exposed to watching shows Likexina,
where your princess Xena and Gabrielle were lesbians, and I
watched it and didn't understand. When I was sixteen or so,
I thought girls were pretty. So that confused me. So
I thought, am I gay? There's a saying here gay
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for this day, straight from the gate. So when in Rome,
I did kiss a couple of girls and became a
pillow princess.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Four times, Melissa goes a pillow princess.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
If you think about it for a sec, it will
make sense. Let's just say I didn't initiate, not her
being just.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Like, Yeah, so I was the bottom four times.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, I got completely railed by some big old just
fully by l.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
The lead de Lauria of Chilla Caute Correctional Institute. It's
doing life for murder and.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Him she experimented. Turns out it's not totally for her, No,
and that's okay. She ultimately loves a big sis dick
Sis and Southern Wait the part where she does talk
about the other front. Amelia and I initially bonded because
her background is similar to mine. Her boyfriend also murdered
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her mother. We are a similar age, and we were
the two girls that murdered their mothers. We both on
Mother's Day, a particularly difficult time of fear.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I mean she gets it, she literally gets it.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
She's a chica. Well, and then it's really cute her
like friend is into baking and makes her like a
prison cake that says happy Mommy issues Day on Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'll say, because.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
When like Mother's Day or Father's Day come around, like
on Instagram, like it's always half photos of like hot
in the seventies, and then the other half is people
like being like, please remember when you're posting like for
the fallen, like this is a really hard day for
people to be on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh yeah, I guess I don't see those so many
of those, But yeah, I know what you're talking about.
I guess I'm you're more in that sort.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Of yeah, And her friend was like, yeah, it's also
hard to see photos of people's moms when like you
personally were kind of the.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
One when you were the catalyst for your mother's murder.
Just be aware of some people who are in that community,
the community of people whose boyfriends did murder their moms.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
When you're posting for Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Okay, here's my more political question. I am of the
mind that if Gypsy Rose is now out of jail,
I kind of think the boyfriend should be out of
jail too.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I understand that he's the one who stabbed and like
that represents like a craziness and like an ability to
commit violence in the way that maybe she doesn't. But
I'm just more from a philosophical legal perspective. If we
are saying that the abuse she suffered justifies, or not
justifies the murder, but at least like justifies a lessoned
sentence for murder, then I think we have to justify
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it for the other person who was involved, because it
couldn't have happened without both of them. The legal systems
decided that they were accomplices. It's decided that like he
needed her to commit the murder, she needed him to
commit the murder. So if we're going to say that
she has now done our time, I think we have
to say that he's in time too.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I fully agree, And I know there's a lot of
online discourse yeah about this couple, and I mean Gypsy
Rose in this book ebook refers to him as like
a narcissist, you know, like how he convinced her to
be with him, And so I think maybe the courter
is like, well, right, like, is he a type of
person who could do this to someone else because he
is mentally ill and like looking to kind of get
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out those sort of feelings.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, I mean for sure, but I also think that,
but yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Kind of with you. I'm like, well, so she's out,
he should be out.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
You can make that argument about anyone, I guess. And
I'm also just like her situation is so specific. I'm like,
is he going to be searching for them on Munchausen's
Girl whose mom he needs to kill?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
He gets on Facebook? Again?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
It's like, I mean, not that he's not creepy, like
for sure, like no one is denying that, but I
just think that, like if we're gonna say that there
was some amount of like just a vacation here in
lessening the sentence because of all the abuse, then he
needs to be like included in them.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, because I would like to. I guess I go
back in the court of like why right, their reason
is because like he was the one that did it,
did it.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But because there's situations there's legal precedence for. And no,
I don't have the cases in front of me, but
I do feel like there's times when the person who
actually like pulls the trigger or stabs the person or whoever,
you know, the so called assassin gets less of a
sentence than the mastermind of a killing.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Compare this, say to the mafia or something like that. Right,
it's like, you know, the like hitmen are usually the
ones that are found first because they're the ones that
like did the murder. But it's like there's a mastermind
behind that, which is in a sense more evil because
they're like planning it all and hiring people.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
And yeah, and so if we're saying that she's not
really like evil, she's just like living in this her
brain is like not in the right state of mind.
And also she was so abused and she felt this
only way she could escape, which I think is totally
a rational understanding of the situation. Then we're like, Okay,
so she kind of put him up to it, but
He also like they were in this twisted situation and
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he was excited by it.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean that's like prison. What are we gonna
do about it?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
What are we gonna do about it? You know, we
just want to throw people in prison.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Literally, what are we gonna do about it?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
It is a problem. My other question, like take question,
is like I still don't understand how so many yes,
like prescribed her all this shit for a condition she
didn't have. I understand the mom is a master manipulator.
I understand she like Katrina, destroyed the hospital records, But
I'm just like, how are you going to diagnose someone
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with leukemia if they don't have the presence of like
leukemia in their blood. It's just kind of like, how
are they not running blood tests and seeing that she's fine?
And that one doctor who was like, actually her legs
like don't have muscular district at all and so she
clearly like is able to use her leg muscles. Why
was that only one person you ever thought that?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
And this is why this case took the nation and
so many documentary films and Hulu shows, is You're like,
how could just like the amount of doctor's medical professionals
which then makes you question the entire medical field.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
It does, and I feel like we all know doctors
like barely spend any time with patients and they just
like hustle you in and out of there. And then
I'm just like, I don't know, Like doctors do just
want to fucking prescribe drugs and they just want to
give you storage and send your your way.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
And so it's like while you're literally getting the surgery
and they're looking at the forms, and I guess the
thing is, like, what was she going to? Like I'm
sure people will like fact check me on this, going
to so many different doctors, So it's like that was
a way to lie.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Partially, yes, but I can understand like getting a prescription
for like an inhaler or fucking xanax for anxiety.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
For example, not that you would ever know anything about.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
It, Not that I would know anything about that.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
By the way, Mental Health Awareness Month.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Starts now, starts now, But like how you can be
getting surgeries and a feeding tube installed just based on
like a mom's conjecture seems insane. How can there be
some concrete evidence for.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
That, especially when we talk about like grifters and master manipulators,
you're kind of seeing the interviews with the mom and
you're like, this woman, Yeah, no offense to de Deie Blanchard,
but I'm like, you convinced this doctor that she had leukemia.
It's and like maybe it's like once she had one
report that she can like pass that on to the
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next doctor.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
It's not adding up segments, dead Dearest. What does she wear?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Does she eat?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
How does she live? Okay, what does she wear? I
like the part in the book where she talks about
using her prison bedsheet as a toga.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Oh for like ancient Greece Halloween, because there's a section
where the woman is like do you like Halloween and holidays?
Like what are you excited for? And she's like, at first,
I did Halloween in jail, and I did Ancient Greece.
But then she got kind of I think depressed and
was like I'm not gonna do this. But she does
plan on doing Beating the Beast with Ryan. That of
course was before they broke.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Up, so.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Maybe she'll find another beast.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
So she is a admitted Disney adult and she's like
I know all Disney trivia and like Brian like won't
let me enter Disney trivia contest wind too much.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
When a man holds you back from Disney trivia.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
So obviously she's gonna have Peter Panton's room I think
forever probably.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, Like of course she's a Disney fan, and it's
like she's just also even discovering like Disney like live
action sitcoms.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Like I feel like she was getting dressed up in
such princess outfits and that was kind of her, Like
she drives that JC Penny prom dress right photos.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
When she kind of gets out, now she's either like
kind of call your Daddy hoodie style or it's like
also still pretty like Dillard's.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
And it's like it's more Dillards though it's more QVC
where it is kind of Reba. So it's like she's
a shirt with like wings, It's.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
A shirt with wings and then like knee high pleather
dsw boots with like black tights and like a chunky sweater.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
How does she live? I think that, you know, her
mom was obviously a hoarder and was making her steel
CDs from Sam Goodie and using her wheelchair as a cover.
That was insane, so insane. I do think that, like,
you know, being out of prison, you are going to
have this desire to accumulate material things.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Definitely, But I think she also recognized her mom with
such a hoarder, so I don't think she's gonna go
that mode. I mean, I do think she still probably
like does love home goods and is going to home
goods like being like this is so cute.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, And I think that they're like condo outside of
New Orleans or whatever.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Because they had to move from Missouri by.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
The court, so like for her parole reasons whatever, and
like they're like, you're gonna kill more moms.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
And miss well, it was this whole thing about like
the Chiefs because she's such a Chiefs fan. They were like,
we want you out for the super Bowl because like
there's too much going on Missouri right now.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
We can't keep track of both the super Bowl and
Gypsy Rose at the same time time. It's too much
for the government.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Taylor shifted Gypsy Rose. Basically, they were like, not the
same state. Two queens can't be in the same state.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Two queens, two queendoms.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
So yeah, I'm imagining like a stunning micro fiber.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Thirty I think, yeah, thirty couples, and like it's like
a dark, big microfiber couch. I think it's like a
brown carbet. I think there is like a raught iron
you know, eight tier bookcase, and then like you know,
family is where the home is, like the kind.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Of the classic Live laf love stuff. I think probably
a lot of like family photos of her and her dad,
who in this ebook has like so many nineties grails.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, I mean the dad in the dock seems like
pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
No, the dad is like cat.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
He is like such a mom, is like so fun.
And when he puts on like a beige pork pie
hat and she's like nope, oh yes, and he puts
a gray pork pi hat and she's like, there you.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
That's the one. And he has like he is a
sexy Southern accent and he's wearing like noosies and pork.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Pies and yeah, he's also very Cajun.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
He's my adult.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Okay, what does she eat?
Speaker 6 (46:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
She wants to try she wants to try Mexican food.
She never tried it in prison.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
She's like, yeah, I don't know if I like Mexican
food yet, but I'm gonna try it. And she's like,
who knows, Maybe when I get out of here, I'm
going to be a food and wine connoisseur. And I
was like, okay me, oh, she's I love to make
silly voices and practice exotic accents as I'm a clown.
I love dictionaries. I don't expect those things to go
(46:32):
away when I'm ninety, but in the future, after I'm released,
I might become a food or wine connoisseur, or take
a figure skating or own my own business. It's such
a shop of light.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I think she probably enjoys going to Walmart and buying
like a ton of like pre cut a rite up potatoes,
but then it's also getting like do you think she's
like buying an egg plant, just being like I don't
know how I'm gonna do with it, but I'm buying
it because it's cool looking.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I think so she's like, let's do it, and it's
like holding up being like, oh my god, Ryan like
what is this and he's like laughing.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, He's like this is what I got in my pants?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
My god, you're so crapy. Well again, she says he
makes a mean gumbo. But I think she wants to
try new cuisines. I feel like she is gonna try
a flatbread and be wowed.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I feel like she's probably getting into sushi.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, sosh drizzled the fuck with some spicy mayo.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
And I'm going to say this because I've been to
Greater New Orleans Vietnamese food. I don't know if she's
at Bon Me yet, but I think she's within me.
She's going to discover about me for sure.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Do you think fu will be too triggering because of
like it is more organ tripe based and like after
the mom's like cow tongue spells.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, could be.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
I see her looking tom yum soup.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean, who doesn't can't wait for her tie era? Okay,
who are you in the book?
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I guess I am Gypsy Roads in the sense that
like or I'm the mom in the sense that I'm
like giving myself be my own daughter a stomach ache
to go watch soap operas.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Definitely, and I'm so Melissa like pretending I don't know
gossip where I'm like, wait, Gypsy, what do you mean
by that?
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, no, you are a fake. So I give this
e book. I'm gonna go and say like three point
seven bloody knives out of five because it's fun, it's quick, literally,
it's a pdf. I appreciate that she took time to
tell her story. It's pretty Christian. You know, there's more
(48:40):
than I would have thought about, like life in prison.
I think maybe there could be obviously, Like.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Well, as she says, I think she's like, I want
to do a memoir.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
But like I think, for who she is and what
she's been through, this is a pretty well well measured,
well balanced exploration. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
I think I would give it three point seven three
point eight tubes out of five. Yeah, just for what
she's been through where she is now to have kind
of the humor and the reflection about like being angry
but also feeling bad and grief and love and daily
life anecdotes.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Thank you, gypsy, what for telling your story. We wish
you many murder free years to come.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
You are mother, Continue to mother, Stay mothers, stay mother,
best Best.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
This show was executive produced by Christina Everett, who is
currently in jail for the murder of her cousin who
was a cruise ship director. And she murdered and I
met S and so she's actually in prison at S.
It was produced by Darby Masters, who is also currently
(49:57):
doing seven years at a minim security prison Upstate for
conspiring to murder a cat, which is fucked up that
she's not in a maximum security prison for that, because
I think cats are people too. The supervising producer was
Abu Zafar, who actually passed away at dani Mora Correctional Institute,
(50:22):
which is also Upstatement, is actually a maximum security prison.
He was trying to escape and he strangled himself with
a bed sheet. It was incredible, silly, It was a
weird accident anyway. The theme song was Mavis and Bilbsorted,
who also did the theme song for the Alcatraz tour,
(50:48):
and the graphic design was of a Teddy Blanks who
did the graphic design for the Alcatraz Tour. You've got
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