November 13, 2024 • 63 mins
We are 2 blessed 2 be stressed because this week we have lesbian pop superstar King Princess up in the studio to discuss Mass chanteuse JoJo Levesque and her new book "Over The Influence: A Memoir." We talk about JoJo's rocky musical journey from being a breakout teen star in the early 2000’s to the trappings of a bad record deal with Aaliyah’s shady uncle, Coolatas, Galentines at Taylor Swift's house, the pressure to be pop, and--damn--just figuring out this crazy ass business. AGAPE!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,
you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martini.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Celebrity Book Club, Read it while it's hot. Celebrity poop Club.
Tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
No boys are loud. Celet bo say it loud and pound.
Celebrity book Club.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Buzz me in. I brought the queer vow.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey, how hell are you? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm doing God, how about you?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm not too shabby. I just got back from Wisconsin,
which is so beautiful this time of year.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh my god, the fall.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah believes honey popping off in red, orange, red, yellow,
even all the above.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Okay, how many kurds are in you?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
There's a lot of kurds. And there's gonna have me
fried cheese, curds and regular cards. It's true what they say.
They're bomb, they're nasty, they're naughty.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh is that a creak of a door just started?
Medium sized lesbian just.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Walked in those footsteps that were not put in a
dr I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
That is some size eight and a half sturdy Okay,
not lesbian booths.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
They're actually a slim euro sneaker.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, we are being joined right now by
you can't believe it, but one of the most important
folks in all of the music industry right now.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
One of my favorite recording artists.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
This is a one time platinum recorded artists artists, singer, dancer, musician.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Nater Yeah yeah, lerisist poets.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
On loan from Atlantic Records in the iHeart building right now.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Please first time out with hands together, time ever, maybe
first time ever on.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
The CBC podcast for sure. Please put your hands together for.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
King Princess Bamn.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Hi, Welcome to the Red Studio.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Hey, new best friends, friend, Hello.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
New best friends. I am so honored to be here
discussing this saga. Yeah yeah, this epic. If you will,
it's gonna be an epic.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Thank you so much for coming in the pod. And
now you just went over to the I heard fridge
and rated it. What did you bring back for us?
You've got a stella there, so I have.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
A delicious assortment for us from these are all Rachel's.
I just took the ones that said, for Rachel, do
not drink.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yes, she's cool. It's Rachel's on medical leave. Actually mysterious man.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Pase, just to make sure we replace them when she
comes back. Okay with water.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, she really shouldn't be drinking.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So I've brought us too stellar toys and then a
Guinness per the request of one, and for you, I figured,
I don't know if you were you were giving Guinness.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm more of a stellar girl.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Actually, I would say you're one of the most stellar
people in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I mean this is the gender spectrum.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, this is in a room Kinsey.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah. I love an airport lounge, I love a chase
that fire lounge.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And I'm opposers through so I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Still rocking my coke zero. So I'm getting the upper
and getting the downer.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You know who else loves an upper and a downer?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Motherfucking Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
We asked to what books do you want to read?
And you said a name that is so near and
dear and close to our hometown that we had to say.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yes, absolutely, yes, Mama.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
We had to say yeah, kid, that sounds wicked.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Of course we're talking about I guess multi platinum, but
also possibly just single.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Pla winner for the R and B category that is
not filmed. Yeah maybe yeah, multi platinum, multi youngest person
to reach number one on the charts.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Youngest person to have the highest jump in the charts.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Of course, we are talking about Borrow Native Say It
with Us, also known as Joanna Leaves, and her new
book Over the Influence.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
The cover is a very close up photo with her
raising her eyebrows suggestively and making direct eye contact with
the camera.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That is an arch right there.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I do wonder if that's just is that the
arch that's coming from like the esthetician, like that's a
plucked arch, or she's actually raising the.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Brass because I am a pop star and I'm looking
when I realized that I'm going to be a massive
resource see you during this potting and I'm ready right.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It's kind of anthropological or social logical. Like her major
in Northeastern.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I've always been interested in how cultures form and society
makes people think.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I love that Northeastern has a really dope sociology program.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I guess now that I'm looking at this photo, I
do see like intent.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't think it takes a pop star like myself
experts simply holes, straight up holes where the brow has
been plucked.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Those are some mass eyebrows if I've ever seen so.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I fucking love the way she looks.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I think she appearance comes up a lot in this
book and a relationship to it, And I do think
on some level, those bushy brows were ahead of their time, yes,
And she was coming up in the early two thousands
when Mama the brows were thin.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
And it was waxed, drawn on to the God's tattoos.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And she keeps referring to herself as being just like pudgy,
and and like does some extent, Yes, like her shape
was a little bit different than like, you know, Aliyah,
who's rail thin. But like, I do think that if
she had come about fifteen years later, those brows would
have been on every Billboarding times square exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And I think she was also kind of in an
ecosystem where the women that she was, you know, they're
on a pedestal and she's looking up to the Aliyahs.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And whatever she was also, yeah, I mean she was twelve,
so she was looking at rail.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Thin supermodels of women and she's not you know, she
isn't that, but she is a very pretty healthy looking girl.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
She reminds me of just so many girls from middle school.
That would be like singing five three, singing flares, shell shoes,
hoodie painted on eyebrows somehow like. Also, are the girls
that get d's at fourteen?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, which is another huge plot point, But she said.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
She got thirty two d's at twenty one. Stag gotcha
came in late, which I can relate to as well.
When Bloomer, when did my giant jump?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Pretty dope hoodie right now?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So I'm a really dope putting here. I didn't think
I was going to get all that today. Oh you're
bringing billy now? Do you want to compare women together,
women who wear hoodies against other women who wear hoodies?
Not today? Why can't I be me? No, my breast
(07:35):
came in around when I stopped railing cocaine, So I
was twenty when they really started to become doctors.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The men cocaine between the ages of sixteen and nineteen.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well that's when it actually stunts you the most, which
is what I was looking for. So that was great.
But no, when my breast came in, it was a
shock to everyone as well. Was not necessary. He was
a family doctor. They were given to the wrong one. Yeah,
that's what I always said.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I said, God, you got a little lost in the
grocery store when you gave me my d's.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And that's I almost feel that I need to keep them,
even though they do nothing for me except they're these
beautiful props, and I feel that I need to, you know,
honor them in some way. So I'll get them out,
I'll lift them, I'll go into a little drag moment
where I can, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
As Jojo did when she got an augmentation at twenty one,
but then also got like more.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
More boos, more boos, even though she was like, my
boobs are so and it was heavy.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It was all because of a photo that emerged of
her in Solange.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Which I found, I look, they look great, they look fabulous.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
She describes them as sitting, and they're sitting like any
d is gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
As opposed to what fly fly.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
They're like, okay, like many women in the industry and
many women in general, my looks became an even more
consonovers because I need for me to early twenties. By
the time I was twenty one, I had thirty two d's.
They naturally developed into what I would have given anything for.
Back when I was stuffing my bra with those cutlets
for the leave video, I can't lie. Up until that point,
I thought my boobs looked pretty damn great. Then one day,
(09:17):
while I was surfing the internet, I saw the picture
I'd taken with so large at her party on some
blog in the comics were so mean. People were talking
about how shaggy my boobs were.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's like silt drawing on two sets.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, just like.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Flaggy, stupid, slotless and I mean, yeah, they were not
sitting and this is where I'm just like, but they
were literally sitting. They were tig old bitties that kind
of hung a bit right. Even though I felt beautiful
when I wore in the dresses did sell those comments,
I instally regretted not wearing a bra too.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, this is why I love her, because she's like
I felt really good and then someone told me I
was fat, and it's like the whole book is like that,
and it is really, I mean, the era that she
grew up in. I do not pity, no, no, thank you,
I don't. I would not change positions with those women
of that era of pop music that was tough.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Although on that yeah, we were.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
As I sat in bed with a drink Scotch and
coke and I know delicious and a massive wild berry
flavored blunt slaying in bed cities out, I am.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You literally are Yeah, wait how many times did you
feel like I am?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Jojo?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
In this?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Pretty much start to finish, she was almost sort of
feeling like a joke at the end. I was like, fuck, well,
it's interesting. I had known about obviously her struggles with
the major label system, and when she re released in
twenty eighteen, I knew about it. And I was massively
excited when she was re releasing because songs like like
that or Leave Get Out or a Little Too Late
(11:11):
were only available on YouTube, and then we were so
excited for her when it got put out, Like I
was so stoked, and now reading her story, it's like,
oh my god. Like the type of deals she was.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
In, Yeah, she was basically at the tail end, and
a lot of this book is about that of like
these TLC Tony Braxton type of deals.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
So she was managed seven Out under Bye.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Barry who ran Background, who was the uncle of Aliah,
but Red Flag AlOH wouldn't record with him.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
He also managed R Kelly read Red Flag.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He was a bad, bad man, clearly of terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So then she's like literally eleven, and she's like this
tiny girl and she was just being like, but I
loved black music and I loved soul, and I was
inspired by Aretha Franklin. And somehow she gets connected to
Barry and he's just like, I just saw an angel
and it was a Leah's angel and that is and
she told me that you're the next her, and you're like,
(12:11):
I'm getting chills. But it's also very manipulus.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Aliah's shady uncle invoking her angel for approval keep.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
My but I will say that you probably made her
get on that plane with her body guards that crash.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
He was a dope, small plane dope dope.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I will say though, that the Aliyah uncle thing, it's
a tactic. That is you see it in a lot
of these stories of these women of like, you know,
they are music fans. She's twelve years old, she comes
into a fucking mansion and this guy's like, you're a
Leah like and she's already the girl who's very like
singing in class. Yes, she's singing in class. She's singing
at any opportunity. I mean, I know firsthand that does
(12:55):
not garner many friends. You know, were you like by.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Your locker like oh oh yeah, and everyone's like, oh God.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yes, yes, I was that girl and I am still
that girl, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And so everyone's kind of making fun of her at
school and she's like auditioning for parts and like going
on some kind of like local ass star search and
then and.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Also her whole thing. So she's like from Foxboro.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Her parents like men AA, and she's always at AA
and Foxborough but also at like the most iconic pubs
in Foxboro with her like grandfather, and she's like, my.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Dad was obese and his big paws would wrap around
me in a big Duncan said, his big paws wrapped
around that. The parental descriptions.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Were, I do think babies belong in bars. I think
just got that from Wisconsin, where I did see a
lot of toddlers in bars. I was just like, this
is where kids should be like.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Eating chicken wings while their parents get take.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, like there's all these adults around to watch you.
Like it kind of makes sense rather than being at
like some creepy finish basement with some teen babysitter or worse,
some uncle. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, I grew up in the AA scene. Okay, I
have I'm the child of two alcoholics who met in AA.
You literally wait, you joke, No, guys, it was a
little I picked the book and then opened the book up,
and I was like, fuck, I wanted this to be
like a lighthearted you know. Now I'm like, oh, yeah, no,
I know what those church basements smell like, you know,
(14:31):
but it's true, Like it's an interesting callaging story. She
was around a lot of adults, right, She was around
a lot of people that were troubled and older than
her and not afraid to talk about it. And so
now we see a woman who has come to fruition
with that. She is talking about her traumas.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Talking about the traumas, and I feel like she never
connected with kids because she was just like singing girl
who lights like eighties music and wasn't listening to and sync.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
But she was like I was so weird. I wore
Kamar and they wore l e I.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And you're kind of like, okay, well there was an
income discreption. Yeah, it's just being like they were poor,
Like rather than her being like I was punk, it's
kind of more than It's like she was not a
contembo casuals or trying to like, you know, paint this
picture of like she was disenfranchised in her own way,
and so she found a community of people whose music
she related to that welcomed her in and they were
(15:19):
disenfranchised too, you know, And like that's what Barry basically
was saying and used as a pond to get her
into this deal, which was like we get each other,
like you're a black woman, trapped.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Girl's bodyboro clinging to Akulata.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So she starts working with Barry and he goes. He
brought up the idea of the great white hope that
we'd seen throughout music history and told me I was
walking in the footsteps of performers like Elvis and Justin Timberlake.
Barry said, it was those people together a fine line
I had to walk knowing that I'm clearly white but
sing black. It was a dose of cognitive dissonance. It
encouraged me to not feel too bad about embrace the
(16:00):
privileges that came with that. Like Mom, I pretend to understand,
but obviously couldn't, and then she's just been like Barry
and all of his Nation of Islam bodyguards would teach
me about Malcolm X, and I like became radicalized, but
was also being like, I'm white, but I'm gonna sing
black and I'm gonna be twelve and I all.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
These Cuasically, the first single, which we all know her from,
was leave Get Out Is. She was like, oh, I
wanted to do something more R and B, and she
felt like that was more of a pop bubblegum choice.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Have you listened to the other songs in her first album?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes? Yeah, I was like, her voice is it is
crazy Dunning. She is an incredible singer. Technically, the ways
she hits those fucking runs is cuckoo bananas. That's the
medical term she does.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
She was sometimes I wondered if it mattered that the
lyrics of songs like Homeboy didn't resemble my life real
life and the slightest My Homie since knee High. We
came up on the South Side, where you had to
beat the street lights home. We got into some street fights,
but the next day we'd fight right back at it.
Sure I'd grown up poor, but not on the South Side.
And I definitely had never been in a street fight.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Her poverty was a little different. Yeah, you know, I've
seen Jojo live, no fucking way. The year was two
thousand and two, amazing, So Leave Get Out.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Had like come out and was on the radio.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
But she was at the Topsfield County Fair, which is
a north shore of Boston, Big County Fair. She did
get Yes, it was a kermault where she did Leave
get Out. It was in the barn and it was
like she was so small, but she was like they're
doing it dance like on like big hay bales, And
I was like, oh my god, I'm seeing a star.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Someone become a star right now.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean yes. Is this around the time that she
shot her first music video where she wore the infamous chicken.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Cutlets for Leave for Leep. It must have been.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
During this era. I feel like the song had come
out and the video hadn't come out.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yet, and they were like, we're gonna make your tits bigger. Yeah,
twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And they also were like make sure you don't eat.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But also I noticed that she talks a lot about
this being thirteen hormones raging and she's fucking horny.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
She wants I saw how horny she is in this book.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
She wants cough. You know what I love the most
about this book is that there is not a single
moment where she even postures like she's bisexually.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah, and I more refreshed, ye, Like I.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Will take a good cock loving woman any day for
a fake bisexual.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I guess it.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Means so much to me when women are brave enough
to explain how much I love cock.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Bisexuality has never been more of an epidemic unity, like,
it's wonderful to see that.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's like, I love a Sabrina Carpenter, I love a Jojo.
I love a girl.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
When she talks about like goth teacher, she will not
just be like there was something rotic of her. She
just like, no, she was cool. She to date Marilyn Manson,
she was she was.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
A total baddest and warm metal t shirts. And then
the only mention of like, she talks about that friend
that wasn't afraid to look like a lesbian for like
holding hands with other girls, which is so also like
that early two thousand to be like, oh are you
a lesbian and lookn't me.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, she wasn't very It seems like wasn't very touchy
with her female friends.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
No, because she probably was like I'm not trying to
look like a lesbian.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, just like that's how she said it. But then
she did have the one friend who passed away, yes,
and that's who taught her like kind of like that
female intimacy which is so erotic in that it's not.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Like it actually is like guy fantasy, where it's just like, yeah,
I would just watch her moisturize, and she was like
I left the room and I came back.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
She was so moisturized under him.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Just imagine her going like this, I remember the first
time you saw a good fe male friend moisturize for
a really long time, I do, but it had different
effec it had different effects. I was immediately erect.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I do want to just get into this question about
her music for a second, because I think one of
the undercurrents of this book is her being like I
was the funkiest white girl ever, and like America wasn't
ready for my white girl energy. Because at first, with
Leave She Goes, the song that I wanted to do
was called Leave Get Out. I listening to the demo
(20:41):
I didn't get it, And she's like, this song was
too basic and pop and like I wanted to go
in this more R and B direction, but like, honestly,
Leave is one of the better songs in the album,
and like I do think.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That like.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Ferry got to where he is for some reason, right,
you see it was right.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I feel like she kind of wants to think, like, oh,
people didn't like like the eazy, like that's song on the.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Audio because about Eazy it is like you're.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Well, which she says, my dad once took me to
Limited too with money he got from a workplace injury settlement.
But it wasn't off the heazy.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, I heard about it. I just blacked down that
part of the book and then just remembered it.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
She's like, oh, like people didn't want me singing these
songs that I'm like, if Aliyah had sung like half
the songs on that album, like I don't think they
would have been hits either. Like I think the songs
were actually just kind of bland, and like she.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Was a young artist who is figuring out what she
wanted her songs to sound like. And the thing about
when you're like twelve years old, it's like, how the
fuck do you know what your sound is when you're twenty,
let alone twelve. It's a lifelong as we know from
her book, it's a lifelong journey to figure out what
type of music really resonates with you. But there is
like the reality of like, yeah, if you put out
shit that isn't really in line with what's poppin', then
(21:59):
it's rare that that shit is going to take over,
you know. And for some of the songs just weren't
they weren't hits, they weren't.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
But leave get Out was, yeah, And so it was
a little too.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Little, And I think it's like the lesson that was
more just like when you're thirteen, you kind of do
have to do bubblegum pop, So just do that.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And I think compared to like early justin Bieber, it
was kind of it was more r and B than
like some other like fourteen year olds.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I mean, certainly too little, too late, I think is
definitely more r and B. Yeah, like that sounded like
more like a lot of the other stuff that was
on the radio. But I would have loved if she
had gone in like a more like Amrie place, if
she was like I'm so inspired by the black culture
(22:44):
and the diaspora that I'm surrounded by. And then I'm
like reading the autobiography of Malcolm X and like getting
really inspired by history. Like, but she just like stayed
in this kind of bland space.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Well, I think, she says though, Like even like later
on when she runs into Bruno mars right.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And it doesn't take the meeting with the head of
Atlantic that he offers.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
To yeah, and he's like, hey, do you wanna just
sit on these beautiful benches on the Innerscope campus and
like you know, have coffee with us? And she literally
freezes and is like, oh no, you guys go on
and realize she says, like I was just kind of yes,
she has her like passions for her favorite types of music,
but she was just kind of always leaving it to
(23:26):
her manager or her mom to be like this is
what you should do.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
She didn't have autonomy. I mean she was, you know,
being that young and people making decisions for you. She
was very much saying yes to like all these things
that were you.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Know, men, men of men tell her. And then the mom,
who was like an alcoholic and like was at the
same time that she was trying to like fight for
her daughter to not be steamrolled by all these different guys.
Was also just like being weird, and yeah she was.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Also she was out of her league too. The mother
was like sitting and there was moments where there was
a lot of posturing on both of their parts of
being like yeah, like we totally get it, and then
like being signs of this contract and being like oh shit,
like you know and I think, and so her contract,
by the way, and say, it was a seven album deal,
which is by the way, they still put those yeah
(24:16):
on the table, and if you don't have a lawyer,
that's like, girl, what you're fucked? Seven records? Seven records
they want you for your entire life. And then you know,
the crazy part about her deal is that seven records,
but they were barring her from putting out music. They
couldn't get distributions, so they couldn't figure out who was
going to actually, you know, fund and put out these records,
(24:36):
and they weren't happy with what she was making. So
she was stuck in the seven record deal but not
able to fulfill any of those seven records. So she
files bankruptcy, which was a really interesting plot interesting plot
in Move On that they were like, the only thing
you can do as well for bankrupts because you're basically
saying you are not letting me make money, so therefore
(24:57):
I'm going to file bankruptcy because you are barring me
from making any income for the record deal or myself.
And they were like doing that thing where they're like
making music videos but she's paying for them. But so
she owes them now like hundreds of thousands for the
music videos that aren't even being released, and she's always
on the music video being like, actually met this dancer
and we did have a few Hennessy and sodas. Yeah,
(25:18):
she loves Hennessy.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I too.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I think it's a delicious beverage. I think it's good too.
There's nothing like a good Hennessy.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I love when she gets famous and she's like on
Tierra for the first time and she's like, yeah, I
imagined all those assholes back at school in Foxborough sucking Dick.
I was like, I'm on TIERRAU and you're sucking Dick
in the back of a Ford Focus.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Now you two feel being here at the iHeart Studios,
looking back at your comrades from school, saying they're just
sucking dick now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
The way they're not. They're a beautiful like townhouse in Charleston, and.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You're like fighting a rat, like you're having a fist
fight right around. Yeah, okay, we get like a renewed
on my heart. So like, Bill, what about a blow job?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
January tenth, I hauntle it in speaking of real estate
in Boston, I would just love to describe when she
gets aloft, please Boston, and this is when she breaks
down her own. A week after my birthday and closing,
I moved into my loft and an up and coming
part of the city that we knew was about to
be popping because all the gay boys were already moving.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
There.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Historically had been a rougher Irish working class neighborhood, but
some of the grit was slowly but surely getting wiped away.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Shout out to hashtag gentrification.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Was a renovated printing press.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
From the nineteen hundreds, with the dining room that used
to be an elevator shaft, with high ceilings and shiny,
cracked concrete floors. My new home also still had all
its original beams and pipes, which were exposed throughout the unit.
It had integrity and charm that reminded me of the
type of artist I wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
This is always the moment though I feel in artist career,
and you know, reminds me of Nico Tortorella.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Can we just take just one moment, that episode and
that book if you can even I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I love hearing the fan perspective.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
From a single platinum finding his from a single platinum artist.
Listening stoned in bed to you talking about Nico Torderella's
and was really special. God, what a special book. True
feels like kind of like a girl who.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Likes anal Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
First of all, she rides cock like a championship, like
that woman is.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
She describes the when she's the guy that she was like, Yeah,
we were going to a lot of like clubs together
and then one night we found ourselves at his la
house and then I was straddling him. She's so like
chance on straddle and like I could feel his direction.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Jeans right around the crash area.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Bra is like lifting up the thirty two d's still on.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The bras on, the pants are on, but the shirts off.
Yeah it's sad, Yeah, okay, but then I'm interested in
this era of her opening for Usher, I really am.
I want to talk about it because.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
She's on the tour when they only meet once.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
They meet once, which is that weird?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Artist.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Have you ever opened for someone bigger than you or
had someone open for you that you never spoke to.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I've been on a tour, I've had very limited interactions
okay with the person, and you know, everyone does it differently.
And then I've been on tour with like friends where
you're just like, hey, like in what I felt comfortable
walking in, Like when I was on tour with Florence,
Like I could just walk into her dress room and
be like, what's up?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And she's like, which dress?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And I'm like that one is kind you know, like
which is amazing? And like the best case Florence, Yeah,
that was also you were trying to become a single platinum.
I'm sorry you didn't get there. And sometimes it doesn't work.
We're she's still trapped and you're a terrible deal. But
so she goes on this tour, she doesn't really meet him,
(29:12):
and she's on tour on a bus, but there's two buses,
so the dancers, everybody who's.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like, there's the cool bus.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well there's the bus that's like people of age to drink,
and then there's like her, and she's like, I fucking
mom and her mom nightmare. I want to be on
that other bus, she says.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Can you imagine being like fourteen and seeing this like
bus full of like like drinking, doing lines and you're
with your mom She's drinking Kyanti out of a plastic cup.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Like yes, that would be evil, irresistible. Almost gay dancers, right,
literally gay dancers. I would be running full sprint, charging
like the kool aid man through that fucking bus.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
What I thought was weird, though, was when she meets Ushirt,
they do it like they weave her into the fan
meet and greet.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
She can't even seem respect Like two were buses.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It would have been nicer of him to be like,
come to fucking dress for what they make it so
like do you want to sing a song with me?
Or that would be the best case scenario because her interaction.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
With Britney was like so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Stunning, whereat she had to sing her way through fucking
She had to literally level up like a game show.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
It was much more a game show and a Star
is Warm where they like, bring her to Brittany and
everyone's like, okay, sing She's like thirteen, and then Brittany's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
You are so damn cute. I love you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You're really cute.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh my god, good luck with everything. Let's take a photo.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Who do you think was the mean celebrity on Tierro?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I was thinking it was Mariah at first.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Right, let me just read the passage. I'll also never
forget the bitchery of another pop star I interacted with
when I went to Tiroll to prove my song on
a movie soundtrack. We were both on okay, so we
could probably figure this out. The movie sneered and snickered.
Get on it fact checker, looking me up and down.
Did she really just roll her eyes at me? Or
was I imagining that? I went to give her a
polite kiss on the cheek when I greeted her on set,
(31:10):
as I'd seen Mitch and famous people do, and she
pushed me away from her with an outstretched arm. I
didn't know what I'd done to warrant this kind of treatment,
but I felt like she wanted to send me a
message that I was not worthy of her attention. The
saddest part of the whole interaction was this woman whose
voice and vision I idolized growing up. I'd watched every
single interview in video behind the scenes tape that existed.
My uncle Dale, who had driven down from Foxborn of
(31:31):
Manhattan to join me, had said hello in the hallway
and she literally just said no haw part.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I was obsessed with Dale's being so like, Hey, what's.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That so okay she was on? I was like, Oh,
is it like Christina?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yeah, because she's so trl was she on the haw
Guamaran soundtrack?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
What did you just call it a guamaran?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
The name of like a kind of okay facecream Aquamaran.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
That's that movie that she's where she's like the third leader.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
And I know what, it's offensive to me that you're
you're I know, I'm I'm so young.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I have a weird inside joke where we say aquamaran
like that that we've had since we were thirteen and so.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Weird and nerding. I love that.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Now that I know that it's.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I'll only referred to it as Aquamaran. But yes, of
course I know that movie. I know you think I'm
like the new John Benet or something. I'm so young,
but it could definitely be Christina Aguilera one and fifty. Yeah,
because wouldn't Christina say no? Absolutely, And it makes sense
that she makes a point to mention Brittany and how
sweet Brittany was.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Well then also remember she brings up Christina was also
ristin a girl, because.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I'm just like, who would she have seen on TRL
that she had also grown up idolizing?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Like it's she loves Christina that she says she is
the most Yeah singer, do your Christine impression? Hey?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
How's that?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That was really good? Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Your My favorite quote of this book is please tell
us alcohol, maybe not give a fuck?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I wrote, I wrote that down. That's written down in
mine as well. That's one of my favorite alcohol.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Maybe I want to give a fuck?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And I was ready to not give any fuck.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, the use of in the way she.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Keeps describing alcohol through the book as if it's like
to someone who's never drank before and it's also her
first time. She keeps being like, and of course alcohol
helped loosen everybody's inhibitions. And of course I knew that
I might drink a little, which would help me feel
more confident in my skin and talk to other people
at the party, and it's.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Just like, can I tell you my favorite lyric? Please? Yes?
I'm way too sober. Where the weed at?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I love that drug?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I was literally like, yes, You're like, do you have
a napkin?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Old a nasty bar? Yeah, hell a nasty bar. I
how do you write? Is that how it goes? Like?
You're like, give me a matchbook. I just had an idea, well,
a question I have for the two of you. Is
it common in the musician celebrity memoirs that they do
these sort of slam poetry readings of the song lyrics.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah? Yeah, they're trying to show how the lyrics look
on the page, but also see like how it reflected
what they were going through with their life at the time.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Because may I can I play you something?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Oh wait, it's just very quick.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Okay, don't don't look.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
I'm just so nervous about the right have a sup
of alcohol and give no books?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay giving, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Do whatever you want, so she sings the chapters in
the audiobook. Here just let me, Oh my god, wait,
you take my setup. I how scared you got to? Well?
(35:05):
You were like having your full pack.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Producer because I feel like, shout out Darby. I was
worried about having the legal rights to play whatever you
were going to play.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, I legally bought famously was signed to Sony
and I had a song called p S five on
my last album and Sony owns PlayStation and they wouldn't know,
they would not they would not let me call it.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But you were like, hello girl.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
They did not feel about the place station enough about it.
I thought it was I was, you know, talking about
like being in my underwear and like playing p S
five and like pussy You.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Actually like didn't describe the hard drive capability.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I was like, do they need me to do a
manual like the Man six.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You know who's a long time Sony had is j
Lo I love. Did you guys ever see each other
at like a meat and greet her fan?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
No? I do not know Miss Low. Okay, I'm not
personally equated with Miss Low, but I print. But but
one thing about her is that when her movie came
out This is Me Now Now, I hosted for my
castmates of the show. I was just in a screening
(36:28):
on my laptop and I made charcuterie plates and it
was black tie. I made Christine Baranski sit on my
couch in my hotel room in a village in Austria
and watch start to finish that.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Whole movie on a laptop.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
On a laptop. Damn beautiful black tie outfit on black skirt, suit, jacket.
It was stunning and red lipstick. I was in a
Gucci suit. Everyone was. It was black. Everyone really did it.
And I interviewed everyone with a salami.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
You are so fine friend. In the cast, we saw
Christine Marenski recently, our favorite Mintown restaurant, out to Michael's.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I think I've been to Michaels with Christine. She was like, Darling,
you gotta come to Michael's with me.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
She looked so exactly like she's.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And don't go there too the Broadway because we will
go see shows together.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
So it's really cute and we'll get like a steak
in Martini before. Oh my god, she cultures me. I
teach her about subpart meme culture. She actually shows me
good ship. I'm like cool, I'm like, this is a
photo on it.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
She's like that's great.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Wait do you think Christine has ever?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah? There, what do you mean you guys, Me and Christine, Yeah,
I think that, Like I'm obsessed with the concept art
that people think we're dating.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Okay and holland Taylor and.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
She's always like, oh, darling, people will talk if they
see us. She is so beautifully like playful about it,
And I think that's so beautiful. She is just the
ultimate like it girl, right, Like she's like this will
be hilarious character actress, just like she's the perfect type
of famous. She's respected, she's beloved, and she does exactly
(38:23):
what she wants in life. But she's also just like
you could have a beer with her.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
She loves and she's not so Taylor Swift where it's
like she's Hillary Clinton and has a chief of staff
and like no.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
No, She's like, darling, I'll meet to it. Wait, can
we talk about JoJo's hangar Taylor Swift's.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
To the Gallantinees And for context, this is like when
she starts getting more LA and gets into wellness, she
starts doing yoga, which she describes as yoga frustrated the
hell out of me. I wanted to get it and
be great at it instantly. Definitely wasn't it was humbling
to say the least gabb.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Or mate the spiritual thought leader that she begins to
follow as well.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yes, and the church she goes, she's always like is Christian.
One of my favorite lines was I was really in
my Bible bag at that point.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, I mean, and that kind of makes sense. And
like because she's like modern Christian music is almost like
Michelle Williams adjacent sometimes in gospel gospel, and it's like
it's almost Christian and it's a little boring.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
It's a story of strength.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
She's always listening to Kirk Franklin, who I love pop
gospel icon, and she's always like I was sobbing down
the four h five blasting Kirk Franklin.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Well, she gets very very la fied, like she's now
becoming well and as we knows, as I know as
a child of addicts, that you know, addiction is transferable,
and you just kind of you know, if she's not
binging and smoking and all the shit, then she gets
really into the wellness thing.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's the addictive personality. This is one of the things
I do believe that you can have an addicted personality
or not.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah I have that.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, you need something.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Literally in my hand, what are you talking about Okay,
so right, She's in l a.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
She's doing yoga.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Also started hanging out with Fronti Erassa, who is the
friend of Selena Gomez who gave her her kidney by
the way, and.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Is now a little bit mad at Selena because she
feels like Selena doesn't like hang out with her, Like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Like I got one kidney.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I fucking gave you my kidney, bitch.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Would you do that for each other?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
For Selena?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Go for each other? Okay, just picture this Lily on
a slab, lab of concrete or laying like this in
the hospital, dark circles. I know kidney failure.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I know for some reason, my I am the.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah are you saying yes this is concerned? Yeah? No,
I'm waiting for the answer I give mine. I guess
ship with this one.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I'm also I feel like I would be like, are
you sure you whirl? I just feel like, here's the thing,
is my kidney is like so mad, you know what
I mean? Like like I just.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Think, like, can Princess is getting to be a better Max?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Like is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Weird any of my pickled organs. I might be twenty five,
but I am like, oh man, I'm scared that the
lung is giving char broiled.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
I give you blood, like I feel like I aldo
with my kidney would be like I just beelve.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
We can find a better one.
Speaker 7 (41:39):
Yes, that's how I and I would really get on
the case. Yes, no, I would find I would be
jogged about finding a better one, and like hopefully it
wouldn't come from just like the Israeli black market of like,
but like I don't know, would my thirty seven year
old kidney, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
And we would just it would just come up all
the time.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Right it would. I don't want to be this thing
where it's like it would.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Be awkward, right it's And then we're getting Martini's and
you're like looking at me being like you're gonna write a.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Check for ten k? Yeah, I love that. I love
writing a check for ten k to a friend with
no expectations beginning to back. I think that's so important
to do for friends.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
But what you're saying is no, you wouldn't sort of like, yeah,
you're you're giving You're giving Lily the run around like
JoJo's label, no straight answers.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Here, Lily, you're giving me one of your dopest Italian American.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Past, Italian American heritage kidneys, her gabba ghouls. Yeah again,
I think there's too many night rates of them, Like
I just think, Yeah, I just think we already have
so little boundaries between us.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yes, I know, it's like important to maintain at least
for so many years.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I must say, like boundaries are a huge theme in
this book. Yeah, having them not having them. Yeah, her
and her manager m m mm is toxic. IMMS toxic,
But I think Jojo is too. And I think they
literally were too comfortable with each other to the point
where they're screaming before a meeting. Like, you can't be screaming.
(43:10):
I've been there. It's tough. You're working with someone, you're
dealing with them every day, and it's so unprofessionally like
day and night. The fight they had, I feel like,
was so real, where they were fighting about three different
versions of a song that were all so slightly different,
and it's like they had so much baggage with each
other that they couldn't see clear and they're like, we're
just screaming.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
They don't know that the fight's not about the song, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
No, about the high hat and this guy's coming in
being like what I do.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Feel like on some level, JoJo's original sin is that
it's like she mentions like Rihanna and Lady gagas so
much in this book, who are like incredibly creative artists,
and like Jojo just frankly doesn't have that same level
of like inspiration and newness. Like she's a singer and
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she puts her whole ass and her sitting titties into
her vocals, but like she is not such a conceptual
person and she's not coming up with like new concepts
and like having an idea that she wants to express
other than like what if it sounded I don't know real.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
They didn't want her to explore the concept art of
her being kind of the people's you know, white person
because it's weird because they think with Gaga and you
know Rihanna, it's like yes, and they figured out a
style lay, they figured out what they're you know, like
Gaga's videos, you know, when fucking Alejandro and check them out.
(44:33):
You're like, that's Gaga, that's her, that's what she does.
She does this alien new thing, and it's like Jojo
just didn't you know, she should have just been jeans
T shirt girl. Yeah, she should have just been no dresses,
no gowns.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
When Barry told her to not do that Disney show
that that was.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
A mistake, a huge fucking mistake because.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
She's a literally fucking teenager and that's like the most
classic route is you do the Miley.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
But he didn't want he wasn't gonna take any like,
was he gonna take money. I'm so curious what her
deal looks like. I actually called my friend last night,
Justin Trampter, who is named in this book. Oh oh
he's a songwriter.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah yeah, wait, he's like a really famous.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Fabulous, fabulous, fabulous person. I called him and I was
drunk last night, obviously railing the Jojo book, railing it
night before, and I was like, how much do you
think she was signed for? Like originally? And he was like,
not over fifty.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Grand, No way.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I thought. Initially, I was like, maybe it was during
that era where they would throw out like a million.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Dollar deal for sure, it was so assuming.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I don't think so. And I think that it must
have been a three sixty, which means that they're dipping
into touring, their dipping into any use of her face.
And body outside of just performing as well.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
As the Aquamaran money.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
They had the money, which is why I'm confused about
the Disney thing, why he wouldn't have won her little payback.
But that being said, maybe I don't know she wasn't
going to spend enough time on music or right, They're like,
well your brand is going to.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Be more sounded like he wouldn't have enough creative control
over the project, and that's what he was worried about.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Was he trying to push her to be more like
sexy slut vibes? Because that was what I was kind
of trying to figure out, is like, did they want
her to see me young or did they want her
because she wanted to appear older? What do you think
Barrie's perspective? Barry wanted her to.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Be probably more like a LEAs teen space of wearing
a halter in jeans sneakers.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
But he was also very like to get in, yeah,
age is something but a number, and she was just like, yeah,
I'm marrying r Kelly, Like I am gonna be young
but old and like Brittany, her like biggest innovation was
being like, what if I did the Lolita thing and
I got like older guys to be horny for me
and like play up the fact that I'm mature for
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my age and that I'm seventeen but have tits.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
It's like the idea was like the naughtiness of being like, look,
she's too young to be sexy.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
True, but I think the reality was she was too
young to have that big a voice. That was the
selling point. They should have had her fucking singing. I mean,
I don't know, I'm maybe I'm speaking out of my ass,
but she should have been doing every fucking national anthem.
She should have been doing like all that late night
ship like now when you see like an Oriana Grande
going on like with James Corden or whoever and doing
(47:23):
like impersonations or whatever she should.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Have been doing.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
But I didn't have all of that. So that was
what I did.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Walk so orion and could run in this way where
like Ariana is like silly but a pop star but
has a gay brother, and like is everyone's like God and.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
I and I pray every day that her gay brother
releases a book so I can come back on this.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Podcastran Oh, I'm sure he will. I'm right, We'll say
just a criticize woman again, though I will say please,
I do think that Jojo does do a little too
much with the vocal runs, and she relays this criticism
that she gets throughout like you know, sessions like girl
She's Been Too and like in a lot of the songs,
(48:03):
the verses like I find it hard to actually partigure
what the melody is because you're not even hearing the
melody because there's so many runs up and down.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Well, then then should she have gone like an Zmraldspalding
route And then like remember when she been very that
Jazzmine Sullivan route where it's like she's sweeping Grammys and
yet she's kind of out of the mainstream.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
But then there's this part of her jazz R and B.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Everyone's just like Gentlemine. She's the most respected person alive.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
And what's interesting is if she wanted to be that,
I think she would have had to stifle a big
part of herself that wanted to be famous. And the
famous part is the part that yes, it's conflicting yes.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Because she's always thinking they're telling me I need to
be this pop star. She calls herself a pop star constantly.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
And then she's always like mad that She's like, well,
this doesn't sound like the huge comeback I was gonna have. Yeah,
And when she does that song which is insane fuck
apologies with was Khalif Love, which I love and that
is more like R and B. And she was happy,
but then she's still mad.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
At that choice.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
You know what, Remember Marvin's Room, which so good. That
song is so good. The Drake cover, which is also
you can't get it on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
No, it's on YouTube. It's so good where it was.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Just like the voice.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, I really I think we're still on a tangent
from the Gallanentines party. We're in an internal Galentine's tangent.
We haven't even covered it. Let me just read this.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Can I get another beer from Rachel's thing?
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Go steal Laurence Bear As I read this past we'll
do the passage. For Gallentine's Day, Selena invited me to
Taylor Swift's house so we could all celebrate. Taylor had
this arts and craft section set up. It's so funny.
Taylor her nerdy middle school ass.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
It's like so parks and wreck.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Taylor had this arts and craft section set where we
took pictures of ourselves and slapped them on this cute
questionnaire where we described our best qualities and our worst ones,
the things we were looking for in a guy, and
the reasons why we were currently saying.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
She's fully having her assistant like type out and make
these crazy photoshops.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Plastic ass questionnaire with like gluen stick photos of yourself.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Okay, And then, because I feel like Jojo is kind
of badass, I snuck outside to the in and out
truck on her lawn to grab a burger fries and
diet coke, but also went out there to text the guy.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I'm really sneaking that Taylor has hired it in and
out truck, in and out truck.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
I want to not be judgmental of this, because I
think that it's beautiful that this happened to her, but
I would feel so uncomfortable in this set.
Speaker 7 (50:36):
Taylor Galine's party questionneers about like god questionnaires gallantines.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
And Taylor's like, are you guys having so much fun?
Speaker 2 (50:44):
And we're like, yeah, are no?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Do you need any more like diet coke or nerds,
or like sour candies or sour patchkins.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
I have a whole drawing it's.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Very unmaking cookies as well. It's very bad. I like
it for Jojo because she says she has never experience.
It's this type of kindness, the camaraderie from other women
in the industry. But then it's sad and she's like, damn,
I'm just a girl from Foxborough. She's like they all
looked at me, like with so much pity because like
I couldn't get out of my like record, and it's kind.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Of like, I don't even know if a lot of
girls are really thinking that hard about your record.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, although when you see something, I've literally been not
like in this situation, but like I've experienced what it's
like the major label system, and I also met really
kind people who are like, yeah, they're not letting me
put out music, and like, yeah, it is sad. It
is sad. I could see these women being like, damn,
bitch that Selena's giving her a massage. Selena's giving her
(51:41):
a lesbian It's a massage train situation. It's a human centipede.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
It's like bak lively Selena the kidney girl.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
It's still very tender.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yo. These are some dope segments.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Where Hella segmented.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
What does she wearing?
Speaker 2 (52:14):
What does she eat?
Speaker 1 (52:15):
How does she live?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Dopely? Extremely dopely.
Speaker 6 (52:19):
It's gray, but yeah, you're just thinking, like the everything
is gray.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
The counters are marble, marble counters, marble, gray floors, gray
restoration hardware.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
She back in her like greater Boston condo, I think,
or like six bedroom house.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Is six bedroom LA. It's definitely like a motown post
bedroom LA. I don't know what the money she has.
Should I google her network?
Speaker 1 (52:42):
I feel like she does have a weird suburban house
in Boston.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
It says she's worth about seven million.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
But you know that's okay. So she was recently also
in Milan Rouge and she had an apartment in the
Central Park West.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Oh that's pretty dope, which she loved. That was furnished,
so okay, she was renting this She was renting.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
And was like it was so cool, like I got
to walk to the studio.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Okay, what does she wear?
Speaker 4 (53:07):
I think she's in yoga clothes, like sexy yoga clothes
a lot. She's in Lulu, she's in Free People.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
It's a high waisted and a crop.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, I do think that now in her like book era.
She's like learning about girl boss swag, and so she
is wearing blazers because she's been like, I'm giving up
CEO energy now, so I have to be blazers.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Is it like turtleneck sweater? I still think, but I
do think everything is.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
I think it's cropped, like the Holy hell. I mean,
she didn't get that augmentation not to wear a crop.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
She's not putting her arms in a blazer on the shoulders. Blazers,
the blazers on the shoulders.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
I'm sure she's like, I'm sorry, heels are weird. I'm
rocking sneaks.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
The necklace but it says.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Her rescue, which also means like life.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
And by the way, looks exactly as I pictured.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
So would you like like a Really.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
It's always the stringiest she's forgotten about mut someone left
you on the side of the road, just like me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, of course. It's like a kind of terrier face.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah. Oh and wait, she has a trouble cleft tattooed
on her neck. I love that part.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
Did she literally not have like several stars like tattooeds somewhere?
She's so stars.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
Clover, do you have any musical symbols someone who got
out of.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
I don't want to like because I don't know what
it's appropriate, especially since we're, you know, in mixed company.
But I have a huge bass cleft on my bag.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
I love it. It's a bass class.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, she's deep, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I do feel like she's gonna person who has like
the tattoos in the additive of someone who like went
to rehub for math, even though she didn't.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, I mean that, forgive me, but she did not read.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
She kept like waiting because this book is called Over
the Influences, and I kept waiting for the rehab to happen.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
But okay, if anyone else was comun the end of
the books about her calling her friend to be like,
can I go to AA with you? But one of
the last sentences of the book is her sipping white
wine in New Zealand. Like, as I typed on this document,
it's unclear about where she.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Stands on her alcohol. Maybe she conquered it.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
Yeah, I think it sounded more like she's like, I
need to behave differently with alcohol, but like we're absolutely
a vineyard right now, but I need to do my
culture and go to AA.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
My mom who's thirty eight years sober, would be like, yeah,
check it out, see what's there for you? Like that's
also I think are more just like check it out,
you know, because it's people telling their stories, and it's
like there is a beauty to that, even if you're like,
you know what, not for me. It's the community, right,
I agree? And again I'm not racing over there. I'm
(55:53):
not I'm not sprinted. What did she eat macha so much? Much?
Just the powder when she when.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
She asked her soul fula macha if.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
He wants to meet for mancha, She's like, I left
that meeting no engagement ring full of macha. Yeah. Freedom,
it's giving, it's giving. Cafe Gratitude, Are you feeling nourished today?
She's like going to a cool new vegan soul food place.
Vegan tacos vibe like lots of satan. Yeah, red one
(56:23):
a bowl of satan.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
That could be the title of her next album.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Okay, worry in the book, obviously you're jojo.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Oh one hundred.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
I think we all got a.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
Little jojo am i Christina Aguilera being like, don't touch me,
uncle Dale, No, I'm so Chillawn and Dale.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
You're the guy she's making news. Uh, Vince who.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Moves on to Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah, you're very that because you have that shade. Yeah,
it's in you where you're being like girl, you know
I do anything for you, but but you my sister
and all, but I gotta move on to g We.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Know that neither of us are Francesca Raisa.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
No kidneys inside? Who are you? My her dad? With
my big paw around cool. I think I'd be really
good at being to a manager a little bit here.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah, I don't know. I give this book maybe like
three out of five coulatas. I do like her story,
and I love the light it shines on.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
Music industry and Boston.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
There is a lot of just like it's about the
label and it's about.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
This I'm with you, only three lofts and gentrified South
Boston out of five.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
Like, I don't think she's like, you know, one of
the greatest bards that I've had, but she.
Speaker 4 (58:05):
Is also like has some bars that she drops where
she's like, look at me right into Nobu in a
sluty dress, not fucked up enough. Where are the weed
att Yeah, you're like, then there are these things that
come out there.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
I give it. Can I give it three out of five?
Four leaf clovers?
Speaker 8 (58:24):
Ultra rare, ultra rare, four leaf clovers, because you know what,
I did find myself going this is an important memoir
for young people to in the music industry to read
in that she does do a really great job of
detailing the legalities of contracts and what it looks.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Like to be If I should teach this at law school, yeah,
actually I'm working right now on an adaptation will be
I'm actually going to go teach at Harvard and my
class is called.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Jojo Launch, like a legal app for creators.
Speaker 2 (59:01):
Pross, and we sign her to that and then people
who sign up I mean as as I I'm sure
you guys feel to. I don't think famous people should
write books, but I'm so glad they do because then
you get books from them and you get to hear
their info. I wish there was more gossip. Yeah, did
(59:24):
you guys get.
Speaker 4 (59:25):
There was a lot of gossip, but it was just
like more and away from a like her life about guys.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
I'm the soccer player that she was dating, and like other.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Guys who played her music and then cheated on her
with their friend. She cheated on them with her friends
in basketball with her friends. Cousin's guy a cologist about it.
It's not gossip and a celebrity way. It's just like
I was so bad I couldn't resist his cousin.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
I did find kind of annoying when she was always
like it was the worst thing I've ever done. I
can't believe I did. I know it was wrong. I
know cheating is so bad.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
It's the worst crime.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
You could commit. And it's like, girl, whatever you went
to Fox was and fucked this DJ, Like it's actually
not the end of the world. I forgive yourself, Like
where is all the feminist empowerment that down all this
on your screen? Like there's nothing worse than cheating.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Well, for her, that's a big herd. Continue is doing it.
She's in her bible bag. She's in her bible bag
and her you know, I'm glad she's not with the
fucking fiance guy. You cheated, It's like, fuck that, And yes,
I think he was love bombing. She hated the fucking house.
I mean, I'm sorry, but like, I don't know if
that's a straight people thing, but if I walked into
(01:00:40):
somebody's house, I was stating and it was disgusting. I'd
be like, give me your credit. Oh yeah, we're either
we're fixing this orm leaving.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I've done that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
You've done that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Well. My boyfriend when he was living in this it
wasn't his house, but he just moved into this house
and I went in and I was like it was dirty. Yeah,
And I was just like, I got out the fantastic
I got out the paper towels, and I was just like,
we have to turn this place around.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, you went full Marie.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah. I was just like, I condoed it up. I
was just like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Bring you joy. It's a plug.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
It's a really small, but plug that you're.
Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Oh, I'm sorry, the drift accurate, the l Now we
know who's baggy so much.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
This is such a joy.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
This has been crazy dope.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah, thank you to your label for releasing you long
enough so we.
Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Actually can't put this episode for seven years, but I
not a hello.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Respect for you guys for following your vision and your truth.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Will release a cover of this episode.
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
You could come back in the studio and we'll just
do the same thing slightly different.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
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Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,
you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martini.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Celebrity Book Club, Read it while it's hot. Celebrity poop Club.
Tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.
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Hey, how hell are you? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm doing God, how about you?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm not too shabby. I just got back from Wisconsin,
which is so beautiful this time of year.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh my god, the fall.
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Yeah believes honey popping off in red, orange, red, yellow,
even all the above.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Okay, how many kurds are in you?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
There's a lot of kurds. And there's gonna have me
fried cheese, curds and regular cards. It's true what they say.
They're bomb, they're nasty, they're naughty.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh is that a creak of a door just started?
Medium sized lesbian just.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Walked in those footsteps that were not put in a
dr I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
That is some size eight and a half sturdy Okay,
not lesbian booths.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
They're actually a slim euro sneaker.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, we are being joined right now by
you can't believe it, but one of the most important
folks in all of the music industry right now.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
One of my favorite recording artists.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
This is a one time platinum recorded artists artists, singer, dancer, musician.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
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On loan from Atlantic Records in the iHeart building right now.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
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The CBC podcast for sure. Please put your hands together for.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
King Princess Bamn.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Hi, Welcome to the Red Studio.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
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Speaker 2 (02:19):
New best friends. I am so honored to be here
discussing this saga. Yeah yeah, this epic. If you will,
it's gonna be an epic.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Thank you so much for coming in the pod. And
now you just went over to the I heard fridge
and rated it. What did you bring back for us?
You've got a stella there, so I have.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
A delicious assortment for us from these are all Rachel's.
I just took the ones that said, for Rachel, do
not drink.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yes, she's cool. It's Rachel's on medical leave. Actually mysterious man.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Pase, just to make sure we replace them when she
comes back. Okay with water.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, she really shouldn't be drinking.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
So I've brought us too stellar toys and then a
Guinness per the request of one, and for you, I figured,
I don't know if you were you were giving Guinness.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm more of a stellar girl.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Actually, I would say you're one of the most stellar
people in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I mean this is the gender spectrum.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, this is in a room Kinsey.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah. I love an airport lounge, I love a chase
that fire lounge.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And I'm opposers through so I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Still rocking my coke zero. So I'm getting the upper
and getting the downer.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You know who else loves an upper and a downer?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Motherfucking Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
We asked to what books do you want to read?
And you said a name that is so near and
dear and close to our hometown that we had to say.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yes, absolutely, yes, Mama.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
We had to say yeah, kid, that sounds wicked.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Of course we're talking about I guess multi platinum, but
also possibly just single.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Pla winner for the R and B category that is
not filmed. Yeah maybe yeah, multi platinum, multi youngest person
to reach number one on the charts.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Youngest person to have the highest jump in the charts.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Of course, we are talking about Borrow Native Say It
with Us, also known as Joanna Leaves, and her new
book Over the Influence.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
The cover is a very close up photo with her
raising her eyebrows suggestively and making direct eye contact with
the camera.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That is an arch right there.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I do wonder if that's just is that the
arch that's coming from like the esthetician, like that's a
plucked arch, or she's actually raising the.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Brass because I am a pop star and I'm looking
when I realized that I'm going to be a massive
resource see you during this potting and I'm ready right.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It's kind of anthropological or social logical. Like her major
in Northeastern.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I've always been interested in how cultures form and society
makes people think.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I love that Northeastern has a really dope sociology program.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I guess now that I'm looking at this photo, I
do see like intent.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't think it takes a pop star like myself
experts simply holes, straight up holes where the brow has
been plucked.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Those are some mass eyebrows if I've ever seen so.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I fucking love the way she looks.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I think she appearance comes up a lot in this
book and a relationship to it, And I do think
on some level, those bushy brows were ahead of their time, yes,
And she was coming up in the early two thousands
when Mama the brows were thin.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
And it was waxed, drawn on to the God's tattoos.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
And she keeps referring to herself as being just like pudgy,
and and like does some extent, Yes, like her shape
was a little bit different than like, you know, Aliyah,
who's rail thin. But like, I do think that if
she had come about fifteen years later, those brows would
have been on every Billboarding times square exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
And I think she was also kind of in an
ecosystem where the women that she was, you know, they're
on a pedestal and she's looking up to the Aliyahs.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And whatever she was also, yeah, I mean she was twelve,
so she was looking at rail.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Thin supermodels of women and she's not you know, she
isn't that, but she is a very pretty healthy looking girl.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
She reminds me of just so many girls from middle school.
That would be like singing five three, singing flares, shell shoes,
hoodie painted on eyebrows somehow like. Also, are the girls
that get d's at fourteen?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, which is another huge plot point, But she said.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
She got thirty two d's at twenty one. Stag gotcha
came in late, which I can relate to as well.
When Bloomer, when did my giant jump?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Pretty dope hoodie right now?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So I'm a really dope putting here. I didn't think
I was going to get all that today. Oh you're
bringing billy now? Do you want to compare women together,
women who wear hoodies against other women who wear hoodies?
Not today? Why can't I be me? No, my breast
(07:35):
came in around when I stopped railing cocaine, So I
was twenty when they really started to become doctors.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The men cocaine between the ages of sixteen and nineteen.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well that's when it actually stunts you the most, which
is what I was looking for. So that was great.
But no, when my breast came in, it was a
shock to everyone as well. Was not necessary. He was
a family doctor. They were given to the wrong one. Yeah,
that's what I always said.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
I said, God, you got a little lost in the
grocery store when you gave me my d's.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And that's I almost feel that I need to keep them,
even though they do nothing for me except they're these
beautiful props, and I feel that I need to, you know,
honor them in some way. So I'll get them out,
I'll lift them, I'll go into a little drag moment
where I can, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
As Jojo did when she got an augmentation at twenty one,
but then also got like more.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
More boos, more boos, even though she was like, my
boobs are so and it was heavy.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It was all because of a photo that emerged of
her in Solange.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Which I found, I look, they look great, they look fabulous.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
She describes them as sitting, and they're sitting like any
d is gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
As opposed to what fly fly.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
They're like, okay, like many women in the industry and
many women in general, my looks became an even more
consonovers because I need for me to early twenties. By
the time I was twenty one, I had thirty two d's.
They naturally developed into what I would have given anything for.
Back when I was stuffing my bra with those cutlets
for the leave video, I can't lie. Up until that point,
I thought my boobs looked pretty damn great. Then one day,
(09:17):
while I was surfing the internet, I saw the picture
I'd taken with so large at her party on some
blog in the comics were so mean. People were talking
about how shaggy my boobs were.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's like silt drawing on two sets.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, just like.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Flaggy, stupid, slotless and I mean, yeah, they were not
sitting and this is where I'm just like, but they
were literally sitting. They were tig old bitties that kind
of hung a bit right. Even though I felt beautiful
when I wore in the dresses did sell those comments,
I instally regretted not wearing a bra too.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, this is why I love her, because she's like
I felt really good and then someone told me I
was fat, and it's like the whole book is like that,
and it is really, I mean, the era that she
grew up in. I do not pity, no, no, thank you,
I don't. I would not change positions with those women
of that era of pop music that was tough.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Although on that yeah, we were.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
As I sat in bed with a drink Scotch and
coke and I know delicious and a massive wild berry
flavored blunt slaying in bed cities out, I am.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You literally are Yeah, wait how many times did you
feel like I am?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Jojo?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
In this?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Pretty much start to finish, she was almost sort of
feeling like a joke at the end. I was like, fuck, well,
it's interesting. I had known about obviously her struggles with
the major label system, and when she re released in
twenty eighteen, I knew about it. And I was massively
excited when she was re releasing because songs like like
that or Leave Get Out or a Little Too Late
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were only available on YouTube, and then we were so
excited for her when it got put out, Like I
was so stoked, and now reading her story, it's like,
oh my god. Like the type of deals she was.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
In, Yeah, she was basically at the tail end, and
a lot of this book is about that of like
these TLC Tony Braxton type of deals.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
So she was managed seven Out under Bye.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Barry who ran Background, who was the uncle of Aliah,
but Red Flag AlOH wouldn't record with him.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
He also managed R Kelly read Red Flag.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He was a bad, bad man, clearly of terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So then she's like literally eleven, and she's like this
tiny girl and she was just being like, but I
loved black music and I loved soul, and I was
inspired by Aretha Franklin. And somehow she gets connected to
Barry and he's just like, I just saw an angel
and it was a Leah's angel and that is and
she told me that you're the next her, and you're like,
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I'm getting chills. But it's also very manipulus.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Aliah's shady uncle invoking her angel for approval keep.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
My but I will say that you probably made her
get on that plane with her body guards that crash.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
He was a dope, small plane dope dope.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I will say though, that the Aliyah uncle thing, it's
a tactic. That is you see it in a lot
of these stories of these women of like, you know,
they are music fans. She's twelve years old, she comes
into a fucking mansion and this guy's like, you're a
Leah like and she's already the girl who's very like
singing in class. Yes, she's singing in class. She's singing
at any opportunity. I mean, I know firsthand that does
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not garner many friends. You know, were you like by.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Your locker like oh oh yeah, and everyone's like, oh God.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yes, yes, I was that girl and I am still
that girl, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
And so everyone's kind of making fun of her at
school and she's like auditioning for parts and like going
on some kind of like local ass star search and
then and.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Also her whole thing. So she's like from Foxboro.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Her parents like men AA, and she's always at AA
and Foxborough but also at like the most iconic pubs
in Foxboro with her like grandfather, and she's like, my.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Dad was obese and his big paws would wrap around
me in a big Duncan said, his big paws wrapped
around that. The parental descriptions.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Were, I do think babies belong in bars. I think
just got that from Wisconsin, where I did see a
lot of toddlers in bars. I was just like, this
is where kids should be like.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Eating chicken wings while their parents get take.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, like there's all these adults around to watch you.
Like it kind of makes sense rather than being at
like some creepy finish basement with some teen babysitter or worse,
some uncle. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, I grew up in the AA scene. Okay, I
have I'm the child of two alcoholics who met in AA.
You literally wait, you joke, No, guys, it was a
little I picked the book and then opened the book up,
and I was like, fuck, I wanted this to be
like a lighthearted you know. Now I'm like, oh, yeah, no,
I know what those church basements smell like, you know,
(14:31):
but it's true, Like it's an interesting callaging story. She
was around a lot of adults, right, She was around
a lot of people that were troubled and older than
her and not afraid to talk about it. And so
now we see a woman who has come to fruition
with that. She is talking about her traumas.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Talking about the traumas, and I feel like she never
connected with kids because she was just like singing girl
who lights like eighties music and wasn't listening to and sync.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
But she was like I was so weird. I wore
Kamar and they wore l e I.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And you're kind of like, okay, well there was an
income discreption. Yeah, it's just being like they were poor,
Like rather than her being like I was punk, it's
kind of more than It's like she was not a
contembo casuals or trying to like, you know, paint this
picture of like she was disenfranchised in her own way,
and so she found a community of people whose music
she related to that welcomed her in and they were
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disenfranchised too, you know, And like that's what Barry basically
was saying and used as a pond to get her
into this deal, which was like we get each other,
like you're a black woman, trapped.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Girl's bodyboro clinging to Akulata.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
So she starts working with Barry and he goes. He
brought up the idea of the great white hope that
we'd seen throughout music history and told me I was
walking in the footsteps of performers like Elvis and Justin Timberlake.
Barry said, it was those people together a fine line
I had to walk knowing that I'm clearly white but
sing black. It was a dose of cognitive dissonance. It
encouraged me to not feel too bad about embrace the
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privileges that came with that. Like Mom, I pretend to understand,
but obviously couldn't, and then she's just been like Barry
and all of his Nation of Islam bodyguards would teach
me about Malcolm X, and I like became radicalized, but
was also being like, I'm white, but I'm gonna sing
black and I'm gonna be twelve and I all.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
These Cuasically, the first single, which we all know her from,
was leave Get Out Is. She was like, oh, I
wanted to do something more R and B, and she
felt like that was more of a pop bubblegum choice.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Have you listened to the other songs in her first album?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes? Yeah, I was like, her voice is it is
crazy Dunning. She is an incredible singer. Technically, the ways
she hits those fucking runs is cuckoo bananas. That's the
medical term she does.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
She was sometimes I wondered if it mattered that the
lyrics of songs like Homeboy didn't resemble my life real
life and the slightest My Homie since knee High. We
came up on the South Side, where you had to
beat the street lights home. We got into some street fights,
but the next day we'd fight right back at it.
Sure I'd grown up poor, but not on the South Side.
And I definitely had never been in a street fight.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Her poverty was a little different. Yeah, you know, I've
seen Jojo live, no fucking way. The year was two
thousand and two, amazing, So Leave Get Out.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Had like come out and was on the radio.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
But she was at the Topsfield County Fair, which is
a north shore of Boston, Big County Fair. She did
get Yes, it was a kermault where she did Leave
get Out. It was in the barn and it was
like she was so small, but she was like they're
doing it dance like on like big hay bales, And
I was like, oh my god, I'm seeing a star.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Someone become a star right now.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean yes. Is this around the time that she
shot her first music video where she wore the infamous chicken.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Cutlets for Leave for Leep. It must have been.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
During this era. I feel like the song had come
out and the video hadn't come out.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yet, and they were like, we're gonna make your tits bigger. Yeah,
twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And they also were like make sure you don't eat.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But also I noticed that she talks a lot about
this being thirteen hormones raging and she's fucking horny.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
She wants I saw how horny she is in this book.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
She wants cough. You know what I love the most
about this book is that there is not a single
moment where she even postures like she's bisexually.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Yeah, and I more refreshed, ye, Like I.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Will take a good cock loving woman any day for
a fake bisexual.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I guess it.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Means so much to me when women are brave enough
to explain how much I love cock.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Bisexuality has never been more of an epidemic unity, like,
it's wonderful to see that.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's like, I love a Sabrina Carpenter, I love a Jojo.
I love a girl.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
When she talks about like goth teacher, she will not
just be like there was something rotic of her. She
just like, no, she was cool. She to date Marilyn Manson,
she was she was.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
A total baddest and warm metal t shirts. And then
the only mention of like, she talks about that friend
that wasn't afraid to look like a lesbian for like
holding hands with other girls, which is so also like
that early two thousand to be like, oh are you
a lesbian and lookn't me.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, she wasn't very It seems like wasn't very touchy
with her female friends.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
No, because she probably was like I'm not trying to
look like a lesbian.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, just like that's how she said it. But then
she did have the one friend who passed away, yes,
and that's who taught her like kind of like that
female intimacy which is so erotic in that it's not.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Like it actually is like guy fantasy, where it's just like, yeah,
I would just watch her moisturize, and she was like
I left the room and I came back.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
She was so moisturized under him.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Just imagine her going like this, I remember the first
time you saw a good fe male friend moisturize for
a really long time, I do, but it had different
effec it had different effects. I was immediately erect.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I do want to just get into this question about
her music for a second, because I think one of
the undercurrents of this book is her being like I
was the funkiest white girl ever, and like America wasn't
ready for my white girl energy. Because at first, with
Leave She Goes, the song that I wanted to do
was called Leave Get Out. I listening to the demo
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I didn't get it, And she's like, this song was
too basic and pop and like I wanted to go
in this more R and B direction, but like, honestly,
Leave is one of the better songs in the album,
and like I do think.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That like.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Ferry got to where he is for some reason, right,
you see it was right.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I feel like she kind of wants to think, like, oh,
people didn't like like the eazy, like that's song on the.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Audio because about Eazy it is like you're.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Well, which she says, my dad once took me to
Limited too with money he got from a workplace injury settlement.
But it wasn't off the heazy.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, I heard about it. I just blacked down that
part of the book and then just remembered it.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
She's like, oh, like people didn't want me singing these
songs that I'm like, if Aliyah had sung like half
the songs on that album, like I don't think they
would have been hits either. Like I think the songs
were actually just kind of bland, and like she.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Was a young artist who is figuring out what she
wanted her songs to sound like. And the thing about
when you're like twelve years old, it's like, how the
fuck do you know what your sound is when you're twenty,
let alone twelve. It's a lifelong as we know from
her book, it's a lifelong journey to figure out what
type of music really resonates with you. But there is
like the reality of like, yeah, if you put out
shit that isn't really in line with what's poppin', then
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it's rare that that shit is going to take over,
you know. And for some of the songs just weren't
they weren't hits, they weren't.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
But leave get Out was, yeah, And so it was
a little too.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Little, And I think it's like the lesson that was
more just like when you're thirteen, you kind of do
have to do bubblegum pop, So just do that.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
And I think compared to like early justin Bieber, it
was kind of it was more r and B than
like some other like fourteen year olds.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I mean, certainly too little, too late, I think is
definitely more r and B. Yeah, like that sounded like
more like a lot of the other stuff that was
on the radio. But I would have loved if she
had gone in like a more like Amrie place, if
she was like I'm so inspired by the black culture
(22:44):
and the diaspora that I'm surrounded by. And then I'm
like reading the autobiography of Malcolm X and like getting
really inspired by history. Like, but she just like stayed
in this kind of bland space.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Well, I think, she says though, Like even like later
on when she runs into Bruno mars right.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And it doesn't take the meeting with the head of
Atlantic that he offers.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
To yeah, and he's like, hey, do you wanna just
sit on these beautiful benches on the Innerscope campus and
like you know, have coffee with us? And she literally
freezes and is like, oh no, you guys go on
and realize she says, like I was just kind of yes,
she has her like passions for her favorite types of music,
but she was just kind of always leaving it to
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her manager or her mom to be like this is
what you should do.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
She didn't have autonomy. I mean she was, you know,
being that young and people making decisions for you. She
was very much saying yes to like all these things
that were you.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Know, men, men of men tell her. And then the mom,
who was like an alcoholic and like was at the
same time that she was trying to like fight for
her daughter to not be steamrolled by all these different guys.
Was also just like being weird, and yeah she was.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Also she was out of her league too. The mother
was like sitting and there was moments where there was
a lot of posturing on both of their parts of
being like yeah, like we totally get it, and then
like being signs of this contract and being like oh shit,
like you know and I think, and so her contract,
by the way, and say, it was a seven album deal,
which is by the way, they still put those yeah
(24:16):
on the table, and if you don't have a lawyer,
that's like, girl, what you're fucked? Seven records? Seven records
they want you for your entire life. And then you know,
the crazy part about her deal is that seven records,
but they were barring her from putting out music. They
couldn't get distributions, so they couldn't figure out who was
going to actually, you know, fund and put out these records,
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and they weren't happy with what she was making. So
she was stuck in the seven record deal but not
able to fulfill any of those seven records. So she
files bankruptcy, which was a really interesting plot interesting plot
in Move On that they were like, the only thing
you can do as well for bankrupts because you're basically
saying you are not letting me make money, so therefore
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I'm going to file bankruptcy because you are barring me
from making any income for the record deal or myself.
And they were like doing that thing where they're like
making music videos but she's paying for them. But so
she owes them now like hundreds of thousands for the
music videos that aren't even being released, and she's always
on the music video being like, actually met this dancer
and we did have a few Hennessy and sodas. Yeah,
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she loves Hennessy.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I too.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I think it's a delicious beverage. I think it's good too.
There's nothing like a good Hennessy.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I love when she gets famous and she's like on
Tierra for the first time and she's like, yeah, I
imagined all those assholes back at school in Foxborough sucking Dick.
I was like, I'm on TIERRAU and you're sucking Dick
in the back of a Ford Focus.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Now you two feel being here at the iHeart Studios,
looking back at your comrades from school, saying they're just
sucking dick now.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
The way they're not. They're a beautiful like townhouse in Charleston, and.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You're like fighting a rat, like you're having a fist
fight right around. Yeah, okay, we get like a renewed
on my heart. So like, Bill, what about a blow job?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
January tenth, I hauntle it in speaking of real estate
in Boston, I would just love to describe when she
gets aloft, please Boston, and this is when she breaks
down her own. A week after my birthday and closing,
I moved into my loft and an up and coming
part of the city that we knew was about to
be popping because all the gay boys were already moving.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
There.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Historically had been a rougher Irish working class neighborhood, but
some of the grit was slowly but surely getting wiped away.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Shout out to hashtag gentrification.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Was a renovated printing press.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
From the nineteen hundreds, with the dining room that used
to be an elevator shaft, with high ceilings and shiny,
cracked concrete floors. My new home also still had all
its original beams and pipes, which were exposed throughout the unit.
It had integrity and charm that reminded me of the
type of artist I wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
This is always the moment though I feel in artist career,
and you know, reminds me of Nico Tortorella.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Can we just take just one moment, that episode and
that book if you can even I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I love hearing the fan perspective.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
From a single platinum finding his from a single platinum artist.
Listening stoned in bed to you talking about Nico Torderella's
and was really special. God, what a special book. True
feels like kind of like a girl who.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Likes anal Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
First of all, she rides cock like a championship, like
that woman is.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
She describes the when she's the guy that she was like, Yeah,
we were going to a lot of like clubs together
and then one night we found ourselves at his la
house and then I was straddling him. She's so like
chance on straddle and like I could feel his direction.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Jeans right around the crash area.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Bra is like lifting up the thirty two d's still on.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The bras on, the pants are on, but the shirts off.
Yeah it's sad, Yeah, okay, but then I'm interested in
this era of her opening for Usher, I really am.
I want to talk about it because.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
She's on the tour when they only meet once.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
They meet once, which is that weird?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Artist.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Have you ever opened for someone bigger than you or
had someone open for you that you never spoke to.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I've been on a tour, I've had very limited interactions
okay with the person, and you know, everyone does it differently.
And then I've been on tour with like friends where
you're just like, hey, like in what I felt comfortable
walking in, Like when I was on tour with Florence,
Like I could just walk into her dress room and
be like, what's up?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And she's like, which dress?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And I'm like that one is kind you know, like
which is amazing? And like the best case Florence, Yeah,
that was also you were trying to become a single platinum.
I'm sorry you didn't get there. And sometimes it doesn't work.
We're she's still trapped and you're a terrible deal. But
so she goes on this tour, she doesn't really meet him,
(29:12):
and she's on tour on a bus, but there's two buses,
so the dancers, everybody who's.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like, there's the cool bus.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well there's the bus that's like people of age to drink,
and then there's like her, and she's like, I fucking
mom and her mom nightmare. I want to be on
that other bus, she says.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Can you imagine being like fourteen and seeing this like
bus full of like like drinking, doing lines and you're
with your mom She's drinking Kyanti out of a plastic cup.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Like yes, that would be evil, irresistible. Almost gay dancers, right,
literally gay dancers. I would be running full sprint, charging
like the kool aid man through that fucking bus.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
What I thought was weird, though, was when she meets Ushirt,
they do it like they weave her into the fan
meet and greet.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
She can't even seem respect Like two were buses.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
It would have been nicer of him to be like,
come to fucking dress for what they make it so
like do you want to sing a song with me?
Or that would be the best case scenario because her interaction.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
With Britney was like so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Stunning, whereat she had to sing her way through fucking
She had to literally level up like a game show.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
It was much more a game show and a Star
is Warm where they like, bring her to Brittany and
everyone's like, okay, sing She's like thirteen, and then Brittany's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
You are so damn cute. I love you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You're really cute.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh my god, good luck with everything. Let's take a photo.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Who do you think was the mean celebrity on Tierro?
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I was thinking it was Mariah at first.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Right, let me just read the passage. I'll also never
forget the bitchery of another pop star I interacted with
when I went to Tiroll to prove my song on
a movie soundtrack. We were both on okay, so we
could probably figure this out. The movie sneered and snickered.
Get on it fact checker, looking me up and down.
Did she really just roll her eyes at me? Or
was I imagining that? I went to give her a
polite kiss on the cheek when I greeted her on set,
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as I'd seen Mitch and famous people do, and she
pushed me away from her with an outstretched arm. I
didn't know what I'd done to warrant this kind of treatment,
but I felt like she wanted to send me a
message that I was not worthy of her attention. The
saddest part of the whole interaction was this woman whose
voice and vision I idolized growing up. I'd watched every
single interview in video behind the scenes tape that existed.
My uncle Dale, who had driven down from Foxborn of
(31:31):
Manhattan to join me, had said hello in the hallway
and she literally just said no haw part.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I was obsessed with Dale's being so like, Hey, what's.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That so okay she was on? I was like, Oh,
is it like Christina?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yeah, because she's so trl was she on the haw
Guamaran soundtrack?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
What did you just call it a guamaran?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
The name of like a kind of okay facecream Aquamaran.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
That's that movie that she's where she's like the third leader.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
And I know what, it's offensive to me that you're
you're I know, I'm I'm so young.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
I have a weird inside joke where we say aquamaran
like that that we've had since we were thirteen and so.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Weird and nerding. I love that.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Now that I know that it's.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I'll only referred to it as Aquamaran. But yes, of
course I know that movie. I know you think I'm
like the new John Benet or something. I'm so young,
but it could definitely be Christina Aguilera one and fifty. Yeah,
because wouldn't Christina say no? Absolutely, And it makes sense
that she makes a point to mention Brittany and how
sweet Brittany was.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Well then also remember she brings up Christina was also
ristin a girl, because.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I'm just like, who would she have seen on TRL
that she had also grown up idolizing?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Like it's she loves Christina that she says she is
the most Yeah singer, do your Christine impression? Hey?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
How's that?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That was really good? Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Your My favorite quote of this book is please tell
us alcohol, maybe not give a fuck?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I wrote, I wrote that down. That's written down in
mine as well. That's one of my favorite alcohol.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Maybe I want to give a fuck?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And I was ready to not give any fuck.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, the use of in the way she.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Keeps describing alcohol through the book as if it's like
to someone who's never drank before and it's also her
first time. She keeps being like, and of course alcohol
helped loosen everybody's inhibitions. And of course I knew that
I might drink a little, which would help me feel
more confident in my skin and talk to other people
at the party, and it's.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Just like, can I tell you my favorite lyric? Please? Yes?
I'm way too sober. Where the weed at?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I love that drug?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I was literally like, yes, You're like, do you have
a napkin?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Old a nasty bar? Yeah, hell a nasty bar. I
how do you write? Is that how it goes? Like?
You're like, give me a matchbook. I just had an idea, well,
a question I have for the two of you. Is
it common in the musician celebrity memoirs that they do
these sort of slam poetry readings of the song lyrics.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah? Yeah, they're trying to show how the lyrics look
on the page, but also see like how it reflected
what they were going through with their life at the time.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Because may I can I play you something?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Oh wait, it's just very quick.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Okay, don't don't look.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
I'm just so nervous about the right have a sup
of alcohol and give no books?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay giving, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Do whatever you want, so she sings the chapters in
the audiobook. Here just let me, Oh my god, wait,
you take my setup. I how scared you got to? Well?
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You were like having your full pack.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Producer because I feel like, shout out Darby. I was
worried about having the legal rights to play whatever you
were going to play.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean, I legally bought famously was signed to Sony
and I had a song called p S five on
my last album and Sony owns PlayStation and they wouldn't know,
they would not they would not let me call it.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But you were like, hello girl.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
They did not feel about the place station enough about it.
I thought it was I was, you know, talking about
like being in my underwear and like playing p S
five and like pussy You.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Actually like didn't describe the hard drive capability.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I was like, do they need me to do a
manual like the Man six.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
You know who's a long time Sony had is j
Lo I love. Did you guys ever see each other
at like a meat and greet her fan?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
No? I do not know Miss Low. Okay, I'm not
personally equated with Miss Low, but I print. But but
one thing about her is that when her movie came
out This is Me Now Now, I hosted for my
castmates of the show. I was just in a screening
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on my laptop and I made charcuterie plates and it
was black tie. I made Christine Baranski sit on my
couch in my hotel room in a village in Austria
and watch start to finish that.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Whole movie on a laptop.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
On a laptop. Damn beautiful black tie outfit on black skirt, suit, jacket.
It was stunning and red lipstick. I was in a
Gucci suit. Everyone was. It was black. Everyone really did it.
And I interviewed everyone with a salami.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
You are so fine friend. In the cast, we saw
Christine Marenski recently, our favorite Mintown restaurant, out to Michael's.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I think I've been to Michaels with Christine. She was like, Darling,
you gotta come to Michael's with me.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
She looked so exactly like she's.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And don't go there too the Broadway because we will
go see shows together.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
So it's really cute and we'll get like a steak
in Martini before. Oh my god, she cultures me. I
teach her about subpart meme culture. She actually shows me
good ship. I'm like cool, I'm like, this is a
photo on it.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
She's like that's great.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Wait do you think Christine has ever?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah? There, what do you mean you guys, Me and Christine, Yeah,
I think that, Like I'm obsessed with the concept art
that people think we're dating.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Okay and holland Taylor and.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
She's always like, oh, darling, people will talk if they
see us. She is so beautifully like playful about it,
And I think that's so beautiful. She is just the
ultimate like it girl, right, Like she's like this will
be hilarious character actress, just like she's the perfect type
of famous. She's respected, she's beloved, and she does exactly
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what she wants in life. But she's also just like
you could have a beer with her.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
She loves and she's not so Taylor Swift where it's
like she's Hillary Clinton and has a chief of staff
and like no.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
No, She's like, darling, I'll meet to it. Wait, can
we talk about JoJo's hangar Taylor Swift's.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
To the Gallantinees And for context, this is like when
she starts getting more LA and gets into wellness, she
starts doing yoga, which she describes as yoga frustrated the
hell out of me. I wanted to get it and
be great at it instantly. Definitely wasn't it was humbling
to say the least gabb.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Or mate the spiritual thought leader that she begins to
follow as well.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yes, and the church she goes, she's always like is Christian.
One of my favorite lines was I was really in
my Bible bag at that point.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, I mean, and that kind of makes sense. And
like because she's like modern Christian music is almost like
Michelle Williams adjacent sometimes in gospel gospel, and it's like
it's almost Christian and it's a little boring.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
It's a story of strength.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
She's always listening to Kirk Franklin, who I love pop
gospel icon, and she's always like I was sobbing down
the four h five blasting Kirk Franklin.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Well, she gets very very la fied, like she's now
becoming well and as we knows, as I know as
a child of addicts, that you know, addiction is transferable,
and you just kind of you know, if she's not
binging and smoking and all the shit, then she gets
really into the wellness thing.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's the addictive personality. This is one of the things
I do believe that you can have an addicted personality
or not.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah I have that.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, you need something.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Literally in my hand, what are you talking about Okay,
so right, She's in l a.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
She's doing yoga.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Also started hanging out with Fronti Erassa, who is the
friend of Selena Gomez who gave her her kidney by
the way, and.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Is now a little bit mad at Selena because she
feels like Selena doesn't like hang out with her, Like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Like I got one kidney.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I fucking gave you my kidney, bitch.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Would you do that for each other?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
For Selena?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Go for each other? Okay, just picture this Lily on
a slab, lab of concrete or laying like this in
the hospital, dark circles. I know kidney failure.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I know for some reason, my I am the.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah are you saying yes this is concerned? Yeah? No,
I'm waiting for the answer I give mine. I guess
ship with this one.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I'm also I feel like I would be like, are
you sure you whirl? I just feel like, here's the thing,
is my kidney is like so mad, you know what
I mean? Like like I just.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Think, like, can Princess is getting to be a better Max?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Like is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Weird any of my pickled organs. I might be twenty five,
but I am like, oh man, I'm scared that the
lung is giving char broiled.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
I give you blood, like I feel like I aldo
with my kidney would be like I just beelve.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
We can find a better one.
Speaker 7 (41:39):
Yes, that's how I and I would really get on
the case. Yes, no, I would find I would be
jogged about finding a better one, and like hopefully it
wouldn't come from just like the Israeli black market of like,
but like I don't know, would my thirty seven year
old kidney, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
And we would just it would just come up all
the time.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Right it would. I don't want to be this thing
where it's like it would.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Be awkward, right it's And then we're getting Martini's and
you're like looking at me being like you're gonna write a.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Check for ten k? Yeah, I love that. I love
writing a check for ten k to a friend with
no expectations beginning to back. I think that's so important
to do for friends.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
But what you're saying is no, you wouldn't sort of like, yeah,
you're you're giving You're giving Lily the run around like
JoJo's label, no straight answers.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Here, Lily, you're giving me one of your dopest Italian American.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Past, Italian American heritage kidneys, her gabba ghouls. Yeah again,
I think there's too many night rates of them, Like
I just think, Yeah, I just think we already have
so little boundaries between us.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yes, I know, it's like important to maintain at least
for so many years.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I must say, like boundaries are a huge theme in
this book. Yeah, having them not having them. Yeah, her
and her manager m m mm is toxic. IMMS toxic,
But I think Jojo is too. And I think they
literally were too comfortable with each other to the point
where they're screaming before a meeting. Like, you can't be screaming.
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I've been there. It's tough. You're working with someone, you're
dealing with them every day, and it's so unprofessionally like
day and night. The fight they had, I feel like,
was so real, where they were fighting about three different
versions of a song that were all so slightly different,
and it's like they had so much baggage with each
other that they couldn't see clear and they're like, we're
just screaming.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
They don't know that the fight's not about the song, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
No, about the high hat and this guy's coming in
being like what I do.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Feel like on some level, JoJo's original sin is that
it's like she mentions like Rihanna and Lady gagas so
much in this book, who are like incredibly creative artists,
and like Jojo just frankly doesn't have that same level
of like inspiration and newness. Like she's a singer and
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she puts her whole ass and her sitting titties into
her vocals, but like she is not such a conceptual
person and she's not coming up with like new concepts
and like having an idea that she wants to express
other than like what if it sounded I don't know real.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
They didn't want her to explore the concept art of
her being kind of the people's you know, white person
because it's weird because they think with Gaga and you
know Rihanna, it's like yes, and they figured out a
style lay, they figured out what they're you know, like
Gaga's videos, you know, when fucking Alejandro and check them out.
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You're like, that's Gaga, that's her, that's what she does.
She does this alien new thing, and it's like Jojo
just didn't you know, she should have just been jeans
T shirt girl. Yeah, she should have just been no dresses,
no gowns.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
When Barry told her to not do that Disney show
that that was.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
A mistake, a huge fucking mistake because.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
She's a literally fucking teenager and that's like the most
classic route is you do the Miley.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
But he didn't want he wasn't gonna take any like,
was he gonna take money. I'm so curious what her
deal looks like. I actually called my friend last night,
Justin Trampter, who is named in this book. Oh oh
he's a songwriter.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah yeah, wait, he's like a really famous.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Fabulous, fabulous, fabulous person. I called him and I was
drunk last night, obviously railing the Jojo book, railing it
night before, and I was like, how much do you
think she was signed for? Like originally? And he was like,
not over fifty.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Grand, No way.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I thought. Initially, I was like, maybe it was during
that era where they would throw out like a million.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Dollar deal for sure, it was so assuming.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I don't think so. And I think that it must
have been a three sixty, which means that they're dipping
into touring, their dipping into any use of her face.
And body outside of just performing as well.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
As the Aquamaran money.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
They had the money, which is why I'm confused about
the Disney thing, why he wouldn't have won her little payback.
But that being said, maybe I don't know she wasn't
going to spend enough time on music or right, They're like,
well your brand is going to.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Be more sounded like he wouldn't have enough creative control
over the project, and that's what he was worried about.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Was he trying to push her to be more like
sexy slut vibes? Because that was what I was kind
of trying to figure out, is like, did they want
her to see me young or did they want her
because she wanted to appear older? What do you think
Barrie's perspective? Barry wanted her to.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Be probably more like a LEAs teen space of wearing
a halter in jeans sneakers.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
But he was also very like to get in, yeah,
age is something but a number, and she was just like, yeah,
I'm marrying r Kelly, Like I am gonna be young
but old and like Brittany, her like biggest innovation was
being like, what if I did the Lolita thing and
I got like older guys to be horny for me
and like play up the fact that I'm mature for
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my age and that I'm seventeen but have tits.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
It's like the idea was like the naughtiness of being like, look,
she's too young to be sexy.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
True, but I think the reality was she was too
young to have that big a voice. That was the
selling point. They should have had her fucking singing. I mean,
I don't know, I'm maybe I'm speaking out of my ass,
but she should have been doing every fucking national anthem.
She should have been doing like all that late night
ship like now when you see like an Oriana Grande
going on like with James Corden or whoever and doing
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like impersonations or whatever she should.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Have been doing.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
But I didn't have all of that. So that was
what I did.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
Walk so orion and could run in this way where
like Ariana is like silly but a pop star but
has a gay brother, and like is everyone's like God and.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
I and I pray every day that her gay brother
releases a book so I can come back on this.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Podcastran Oh, I'm sure he will. I'm right, We'll say
just a criticize woman again, though I will say please,
I do think that Jojo does do a little too
much with the vocal runs, and she relays this criticism
that she gets throughout like you know, sessions like girl
She's Been Too and like in a lot of the songs,
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the verses like I find it hard to actually partigure
what the melody is because you're not even hearing the
melody because there's so many runs up and down.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Well, then then should she have gone like an Zmraldspalding
route And then like remember when she been very that
Jazzmine Sullivan route where it's like she's sweeping Grammys and
yet she's kind of out of the mainstream.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
But then there's this part of her jazz R and B.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Everyone's just like Gentlemine. She's the most respected person alive.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
And what's interesting is if she wanted to be that,
I think she would have had to stifle a big
part of herself that wanted to be famous. And the
famous part is the part that yes, it's conflicting yes.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Because she's always thinking they're telling me I need to
be this pop star. She calls herself a pop star constantly.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
And then she's always like mad that She's like, well,
this doesn't sound like the huge comeback I was gonna have. Yeah,
And when she does that song which is insane fuck
apologies with was Khalif Love, which I love and that
is more like R and B. And she was happy,
but then she's still mad.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
At that choice.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
You know what, Remember Marvin's Room, which so good. That
song is so good. The Drake cover, which is also
you can't get it on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
No, it's on YouTube. It's so good where it was.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Just like the voice.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, I really I think we're still on a tangent
from the Gallanentines party. We're in an internal Galentine's tangent.
We haven't even covered it. Let me just read this.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Can I get another beer from Rachel's thing?
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Go steal Laurence Bear As I read this past we'll
do the passage. For Gallentine's Day, Selena invited me to
Taylor Swift's house so we could all celebrate. Taylor had
this arts and craft section set up. It's so funny.
Taylor her nerdy middle school ass.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
It's like so parks and wreck.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Taylor had this arts and craft section set where we
took pictures of ourselves and slapped them on this cute
questionnaire where we described our best qualities and our worst ones,
the things we were looking for in a guy, and
the reasons why we were currently saying.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
She's fully having her assistant like type out and make
these crazy photoshops.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Plastic ass questionnaire with like gluen stick photos of yourself.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Okay, And then, because I feel like Jojo is kind
of badass, I snuck outside to the in and out
truck on her lawn to grab a burger fries and
diet coke, but also went out there to text the guy.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I'm really sneaking that Taylor has hired it in and
out truck, in and out truck.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
I want to not be judgmental of this, because I
think that it's beautiful that this happened to her, but
I would feel so uncomfortable in this set.
Speaker 7 (50:36):
Taylor Galine's party questionneers about like god questionnaires gallantines.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
And Taylor's like, are you guys having so much fun?
Speaker 2 (50:44):
And we're like, yeah, are no?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Do you need any more like diet coke or nerds,
or like sour candies or sour patchkins.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
I have a whole drawing it's.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Very unmaking cookies as well. It's very bad. I like
it for Jojo because she says she has never experience.
It's this type of kindness, the camaraderie from other women
in the industry. But then it's sad and she's like, damn,
I'm just a girl from Foxborough. She's like they all
looked at me, like with so much pity because like
I couldn't get out of my like record, and it's kind.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Of like, I don't even know if a lot of
girls are really thinking that hard about your record.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, although when you see something, I've literally been not
like in this situation, but like I've experienced what it's
like the major label system, and I also met really
kind people who are like, yeah, they're not letting me
put out music, and like, yeah, it is sad. It
is sad. I could see these women being like, damn,
bitch that Selena's giving her a massage. Selena's giving her
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a lesbian It's a massage train situation. It's a human centipede.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
It's like bak lively Selena the kidney girl.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
It's still very tender.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yo. These are some dope segments.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Where Hella segmented.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
What does she wearing?
Speaker 2 (52:14):
What does she eat?
Speaker 1 (52:15):
How does she live?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Dopely? Extremely dopely.
Speaker 6 (52:19):
It's gray, but yeah, you're just thinking, like the everything
is gray.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
The counters are marble, marble counters, marble, gray floors, gray
restoration hardware.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
She back in her like greater Boston condo, I think,
or like six bedroom house.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Is six bedroom LA. It's definitely like a motown post
bedroom LA. I don't know what the money she has.
Should I google her network?
Speaker 1 (52:42):
I feel like she does have a weird suburban house
in Boston.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
It says she's worth about seven million.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
But you know that's okay. So she was recently also
in Milan Rouge and she had an apartment in the
Central Park West.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Oh that's pretty dope, which she loved. That was furnished,
so okay, she was renting this She was renting.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
And was like it was so cool, like I got
to walk to the studio.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Okay, what does she wear?
Speaker 4 (53:07):
I think she's in yoga clothes, like sexy yoga clothes
a lot. She's in Lulu, she's in Free People.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
It's a high waisted and a crop.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, I do think that now in her like book era.
She's like learning about girl boss swag, and so she
is wearing blazers because she's been like, I'm giving up
CEO energy now, so I have to be blazers.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Is it like turtleneck sweater? I still think, but I
do think everything is.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
I think it's cropped, like the Holy hell. I mean,
she didn't get that augmentation not to wear a crop.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
She's not putting her arms in a blazer on the shoulders. Blazers,
the blazers on the shoulders.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
I'm sure she's like, I'm sorry, heels are weird. I'm
rocking sneaks.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
The necklace but it says.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Her rescue, which also means like life.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
And by the way, looks exactly as I pictured.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
So would you like like a Really.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
It's always the stringiest she's forgotten about mut someone left
you on the side of the road, just like me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, of course. It's like a kind of terrier face.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah. Oh and wait, she has a trouble cleft tattooed
on her neck. I love that part.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
Did she literally not have like several stars like tattooeds somewhere?
She's so stars.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
Clover, do you have any musical symbols someone who got
out of.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
I don't want to like because I don't know what
it's appropriate, especially since we're, you know, in mixed company.
But I have a huge bass cleft on my bag.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
I love it. It's a bass class.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, she's deep, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I do feel like she's gonna person who has like
the tattoos in the additive of someone who like went
to rehub for math, even though she didn't.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, I mean that, forgive me, but she did not read.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
She kept like waiting because this book is called Over
the Influences, and I kept waiting for the rehab to happen.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
But okay, if anyone else was comun the end of
the books about her calling her friend to be like,
can I go to AA with you? But one of
the last sentences of the book is her sipping white
wine in New Zealand. Like, as I typed on this document,
it's unclear about where she.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Stands on her alcohol. Maybe she conquered it.
Speaker 4 (55:23):
Yeah, I think it sounded more like she's like, I
need to behave differently with alcohol, but like we're absolutely
a vineyard right now, but I need to do my
culture and go to AA.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
My mom who's thirty eight years sober, would be like, yeah,
check it out, see what's there for you? Like that's
also I think are more just like check it out,
you know, because it's people telling their stories, and it's
like there is a beauty to that, even if you're like,
you know what, not for me. It's the community, right,
I agree? And again I'm not racing over there. I'm
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not I'm not sprinted. What did she eat macha so much? Much?
Just the powder when she when.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
She asked her soul fula macha if.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
He wants to meet for mancha, She's like, I left
that meeting no engagement ring full of macha. Yeah. Freedom,
it's giving, it's giving. Cafe Gratitude, Are you feeling nourished today?
She's like going to a cool new vegan soul food place.
Vegan tacos vibe like lots of satan. Yeah, red one
(56:23):
a bowl of satan.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
That could be the title of her next album.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Okay, worry in the book, obviously you're jojo.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Oh one hundred.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
I think we all got a.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
Little jojo am i Christina Aguilera being like, don't touch me,
uncle Dale, No, I'm so Chillawn and Dale.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
You're the guy she's making news. Uh, Vince who.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Moves on to Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah, you're very that because you have that shade. Yeah,
it's in you where you're being like girl, you know
I do anything for you, but but you my sister
and all, but I gotta move on to g We.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Know that neither of us are Francesca Raisa.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
No kidneys inside? Who are you? My her dad? With
my big paw around cool. I think I'd be really
good at being to a manager a little bit here.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah, I don't know. I give this book maybe like
three out of five coulatas. I do like her story,
and I love the light it shines on.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
Music industry and Boston.
Speaker 1 (57:45):
There is a lot of just like it's about the
label and it's about.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
This I'm with you, only three lofts and gentrified South
Boston out of five.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
Like, I don't think she's like, you know, one of
the greatest bards that I've had, but she.
Speaker 4 (58:05):
Is also like has some bars that she drops where
she's like, look at me right into Nobu in a
sluty dress, not fucked up enough. Where are the weed
att Yeah, you're like, then there are these things that
come out there.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
I give it. Can I give it three out of five?
Four leaf clovers?
Speaker 8 (58:24):
Ultra rare, ultra rare, four leaf clovers, because you know what,
I did find myself going this is an important memoir
for young people to in the music industry to read
in that she does do a really great job of
detailing the legalities of contracts and what it looks.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Like to be If I should teach this at law school, yeah,
actually I'm working right now on an adaptation will be
I'm actually going to go teach at Harvard and my
class is called.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Jojo Launch, like a legal app for creators.
Speaker 2 (59:01):
Pross, and we sign her to that and then people
who sign up I mean as as I I'm sure
you guys feel to. I don't think famous people should
write books, but I'm so glad they do because then
you get books from them and you get to hear
their info. I wish there was more gossip. Yeah, did
(59:24):
you guys get.
Speaker 4 (59:25):
There was a lot of gossip, but it was just
like more and away from a like her life about guys.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
I'm the soccer player that she was dating, and like other.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Guys who played her music and then cheated on her
with their friend. She cheated on them with her friends
in basketball with her friends. Cousin's guy a cologist about it.
It's not gossip and a celebrity way. It's just like
I was so bad I couldn't resist his cousin.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
I did find kind of annoying when she was always
like it was the worst thing I've ever done. I
can't believe I did. I know it was wrong. I
know cheating is so bad.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
It's the worst crime.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
You could commit. And it's like, girl, whatever you went
to Fox was and fucked this DJ, Like it's actually
not the end of the world. I forgive yourself, Like
where is all the feminist empowerment that down all this
on your screen? Like there's nothing worse than cheating.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Well, for her, that's a big herd. Continue is doing it.
She's in her bible bag. She's in her bible bag
and her you know, I'm glad she's not with the
fucking fiance guy. You cheated, It's like, fuck that, And yes,
I think he was love bombing. She hated the fucking house.
I mean, I'm sorry, but like, I don't know if
that's a straight people thing, but if I walked into
(01:00:40):
somebody's house, I was stating and it was disgusting. I'd
be like, give me your credit. Oh yeah, we're either
we're fixing this orm leaving.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I've done that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
You've done that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Well. My boyfriend when he was living in this it
wasn't his house, but he just moved into this house
and I went in and I was like it was dirty. Yeah,
And I was just like, I got out the fantastic
I got out the paper towels, and I was just like,
we have to turn this place around.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, you went full Marie.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah. I was just like, I condoed it up. I
was just like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Bring you joy. It's a plug.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
It's a really small, but plug that you're.
Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Oh, I'm sorry, the drift accurate, the l Now we
know who's baggy so much.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
This is such a joy.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
This has been crazy dope.
Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah, thank you to your label for releasing you long
enough so we.
Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Actually can't put this episode for seven years, but I
not a hello.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Respect for you guys for following your vision and your truth.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Will release a cover of this episode.
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
You could come back in the studio and we'll just
do the same thing slightly different.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Okay, say it with us. This episodes Yeah produced by
Darby Masters, Till Spa but Deil Spabbie Masters Masters Supervising Producer,
(01:02:07):
Abuza far Superosa Amos Executive produced by Christina Effret Exact
You Tell Him It News By This is the other
Man Engineer Biheid.
Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Frizzer, engineer Maheine.
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Our artwork is done by Teddy Bikes is do mat Yeah,
Yay yay. The songs done by Stephen Phillips Horst theme
song dummer Steven Steve.
Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
And then this podcast was originally co created with Prologue Projects.
Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Introscope Vibes. So in internal events, I just found out
that this podcast is actually the intellectual.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Property of what is it called Prologed Project PLO Projects
and Propetuity throughout the Universe Projects.
Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Yes, Baby Back, Baby Back, C B C Yeah,
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