July 24, 2024 • 57 mins
Crouching Pillow, Hidden Fridge! This week we kneel and pray to the interior design power couple Syd and Shea McGee as we discuss their marital memoir, "Make Life Beautiful." No teaching of John is left untouched while we talk about falling in love at BYU, their hit Netflix show "Dream Home Makeover," marrying a gay guy, the anti-dining-room revolution, Cat Power, inventing “the drop zone,” Shea’s bracelet business, and deciding Mormonism is actually the most indie religion of them all. Our two-year mission is completed!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,
you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Celebrity poof Club, Read it while it's hot.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Celebrity poof Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.
No boys are loud. Celety book say it loud and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Cloud Celebrity Book Club.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Buzz me in. I brought the queer vow. Hey, best friend,
I'm loving every other summer.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Every other summer is the best feeling. It's just so
calming and beautiful. You look so relaxed, you're glowing. Not
having seen you in two weeks on the main episode.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
On the main episode, of course, I saw you on
the beaches and on the bike paths because we had
time to bike. Because we're doing every other summer.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's just been such a nice change of pace for
our listeners and for us.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh my god, I'm like, I'm curious, like what the
club kids are up to. I feel like they're all
learning how to like crochet with alternative materials.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, drop in the comments, how your every other summer
is going anyway?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm doing really well. I'm really centered. I'm really finding
my joy in sitting in my piece.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Heck, yes, I'd love to hear that from a good friend.
When a good friend is centered.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I agree. I did actually have a very kind of
non Christian but Christian interaction today with oh woman on
the TD bank helpline where my boyfriend who is working
out of the country right now, like his debacer wasn't working.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, sorry, everyone, Steven is an army wife.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Now I know. I'm an army wife. My husband is
in Saudi Arabia and he what's up to me? Being
like can you call TD bank and like pretend to
be me and like tell them to unlock the card
because his phone doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh, because his TD bank was like this, how to
be a scam? Where are you using in Saudi Arabia?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, so that thing where it like locks it down.
Why are you trying to like take out cash in
Saudi Arabia? So I call and I'm like hi, like
this is Chase, and then she's like, Okay, where are
you coming from. I was like, yeah, I'm in Saudi
Arabia and my card's not working. She was like, ooh,
what's the weather. Like I was just like, girl, it
is hot. It is in the one hundreds. She was like, oh,
(02:23):
like I know some friends in Texas and they say
it can get hot down there, but that's a different
kind of hot. And I was like, oh, no, it's dry.
It's very dry. And then I'm like making up this door.
I was like, yeah, I just had to run from
the Uber right into the building. I'm at, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Dve w you know you're running from the Uber in
Saudi Arabia. She's like, girl, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Anyway. Then then of course there was like a whole
fifteen minute long thing where she was trying to send
like a confirmation text.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, and then you had to get on What's App
and be like did you get the code?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yes? But then like he was just like not able
to get the code, and it was very like none
of this is working. And she'd be like, unfortunately, I
cannot verify your number because this is not one of
the numbers that's in the verification system and you need
to verify in order to get the verification.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Classic can't get those digits from a text, I mean,
do you even exist?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It's just like okay, cool. And she was like, but
I do advise you to go online and send a
secure message.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
She was like, oh my god, have you chucked out
td by dot com.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
But it was a beautiful experience connecting with my fellow
Americans exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's really cool to connect even when the problem isn't solved.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, I know, even when you're left in the same
position you already started. It feels good. Just a great community.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know who also builds community as.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Stephen one of our favorite couples who have a home
design makeover show that you may know from Netflix, which
is called Dream Home Makeover, which is a beautiful Utah
driven show.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Home renovation, but also kind of leaning towards interior half
and half the interior design a home runner.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And because obviously this couple, their business has actually two components,
which is the interior design, but then also the retail store,
which is mostly online.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Which they're thriving in the e commerce way McGee and.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Co mcgian Co Furniture. Of course, we're talking about none
other than I'm Sitting and.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Shaggi and their beautiful joint memoir May make Life.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Beautiful, beautiful. So this couple is, let's just say the
quiet part out loud. They are Mormon as their Mormon,
and the show is so Mormon, yet they never say
they're Mormon, and in this book they never say that.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
They say is that she went to Young the Mormon College,
and he, though from California, went to a neighboring Utah college.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Just like some like Provo Community College. And he also
there's this part in the beginning where he's like, I
did a service mission for our church.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So his vibe is also the genre of Mormon that
is like indie light Mormon.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, and also the genre of Mormon which is like
gay guy.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yes, the other unspoken biggest.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So many Mormons.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You've been obsessed with this show, and I felt like
you had told me about a while ago, and I
was like, you know, peel behind the Curtain looking through
our list, and I was like, ooh, design book, like
we haven't done one of those in a while. And
then I watched an episode and I was like, so
he's the gayest man alive.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, he's this kind of like you know, brunetti redhead,
like freckly, super thin guy who's like always in tight
skinny jeans and he's just like I love donuts and
he's I am sweet cute. He's like her kooky, cucked husband.
And then she's this like really milk made blonde, like
round face tart. Yeah, she's a love is blind nine
(05:59):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah no, like I'm giving this book wasn't a picture
book for me? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah. And she's just got a nice like nice titties,
full lips c W.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Like I feel like she yeah, looks exact like she
plays like Anna Lynne McCord's older sister on the reboot
of Nino two.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And zero absolutely who's like always coming home and like
being like slutty but like also apprude formerly slutty. Yeah,
and she's like judging her sister. But I started watching
the show in the pandemic and I was like, wow,
I'm obsessed with them. I'm obsessed with their renovations, even
more so than like property brothers. Like she's always just like,
(06:41):
let me cover everything in white paint and just like
turn everything into like a literal snowstorm. Like I will
cover every inch of a home in white paint till
you literally can't see anything, and you like don't know
where you are.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Full snowdrop, right, because there's some like Salt Lake and
in the book, he's just like, I was just this
skinny kid from Cali, man like I loved skateboarding and surfing.
And she's like when I met Sid for the first time,
he was like hanging out my brother Austin. He was
just like doing tricks on his skateboard.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And then he when he sees her for the first time,
she has a cat power CD.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
In her Ford. It's this whole thing where they're being like,
we're just like badass, like messy, like millennial like hipsters.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
But secretly Mormon.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And she's like, yeah, I'm like cruising around my car
Ford Explorer more like the Ford Exploder.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Because it was like such a loud He was like
I heard that thing coming up the street before I
even saw her. What's weird also about their Mormonism. I
don't know how much of the show you watched, but
there is an episode early on where they're doing some
sort of like montage of like photos of her, and
there is a photo of her with Mitt Romney like
framed like on a mantle of a fireplace somewhere, and
you're like, okay, so you guys are kind of deep
(08:03):
into the Utah Church society, like world met Yeah, you're
hanging out with Mitt and like other elders. Oh wait,
wait sidebar on, like Mormons being gay, and then we
get back to their meeting story. In an improv class
I took at ucb Rest in peace or ip, Yeah,
there was a Mormon musical theater girl and her husband
(08:29):
was like the gayest person I've ever met, and he
was like in the class and I was just like,
what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I think there's something specific about Mormons that makes the
guys gayer almost because like it is maybe the hornier
religion because like they're.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Poll okay, yes, they're Polly, and they're sort of all
of their kind of sexual like idiosyncrasies are much more
like kind of built into the practice of the religion
in this way where it's not just like Catholic kind
of general repression, but it's more just like no, you're
wearing the weird underwear and you're you're like and it's about.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Like being friendly. It's kind of like instead of like Catholics,
which I feel like train you to be the most
like toxic like badass man who could be closeted, like
Mormon is about like spending two years with your close
male buddy, like going door to door.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, they're kind of training you to be gay. It's nurtured.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's more like cheerful, Like it's not about being tough
and like working on the field. It's about being like
hey Rascal mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And you know, evangelicalism is like also I think super trivil,
at least as I understand it these days in America
with the megachurches and all the like pastors may being
so justin Bieber and all that, but it's.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
A little more like hip hop because it's so like yeah,
started TikTok.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Whereas Mormonism is still like so twee because they're also
so tweet. They're like minimalist tweet.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay. Watching the show, it's like they are doing the
same thing that like Chip and Joanna do that all
the like Reno couples do where girl eye rolls a
guy for being like silly. But like there was a
scene episode I just watched where like she just finished
like snowfalling their actual house.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Wait, and it's like copper hardware everywhere they're copper coded
they're so copper coded now because they started out as
brass like Girl Boss brass, yeah, hardware and the brass
handles and the brass handeliers and the brass lamp poles,
and like now they have moved on to copper and
nickel love nickel. Yeah, she's like single handedly depleted, like
(10:39):
ten Nickel mines in Western Australia.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
She's like mine harder. I love how it's just like
every other show is like the man is the contractor
and the girls the interior designer, but in this she's
just the interior designer and he does like marketing.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He does marketing and kind of spreadsheets and business is
just kind of there and just being like it looks
really good. I love the space. And then the contractor
is actually this like really hot like muscle guy that
she's always meeting with.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
My god, the sexual tension between her and what's his name.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Like uh whatever, the killer and contracting.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
He's huge.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
He's insane here, okay, But back to their meeting, so
he's this like skinny skater friend of Austin, her brother,
and like she's just moving into the dorms like in
her beat up ford or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
No, she's helping her brother move into a new apartment
with her forward and then Sid is helping with his skateboard,
and this line was so Mormon. He was like, he
bribed me with snacks to help him move, not that
I needed a bribe to help a friend.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
This is Sid saying this.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Sid is saying this. He's been like, of course I
would never need a bribe to help a friend, because
that's good Christian values.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But like so epic Christian memes.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'd be like Swedish fish helped sweeten the deal.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I started skating as I waited for Austin's sister to
show up with the car. I heard the thing before
I could see it. When Shape hold into the lot,
I turned to Austin and said, dang, dude, your sister
is pretty cute. He rolls side and didn't say anything.
We started loading the car and I noticed a cap
Power seat on her visor. I told her she had
good taste of music for a Texan classic flirt move,
an underhanded compliment.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
She laughs again, so gay, him explaining He's like, right,
that's flirting with a woman. Yeah, total flirting with women vibe.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I'm in my flirting with women arc I use my
skateboard as a Dolly Willing boxer from the trunk of
Austin's den apartment. After we finished unloading, Shane I sat
on Austin's saggy plaid couch and chatted in the living
room Wally stuff concert, teasing to dress her drawers. We
talked about when we missed about home. Shae was from
Texas and I'm from California. We both missed the Mexican food.
We discovered we were both studying communication.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Hey, you're communications, I'm in communications.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
The Gayest Story and then he shamelessly asked for her
number in front of the her mom. Oh, by the way,
in the book is back and forth of the two
of them, righting.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It is seen in the property Brother's book and Chip
and Joanna.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's just a design duo trope in a memoir. Now
you have to do the back and.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's either twin or design duo.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh wait, because do the sisters get back and forth?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah? Okay, and like they'll do the thing will be
like shay and chaos. So just if anyone else Sho's
girl say it is her gay husband, like, she'll be like,
h my car and then he'll like do his perspective
and be like, I was so nervous to like leave
the beaches of California to start my pursuit of marketing communications.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Utah, it's very much about her, Like her sequences are
five times as long. It's all about how she's like
discovering pillows and like building this brand and deciding to
be designer. And then he'll have like two paragraphs where
it's just like Shaye really wanted to do this, and
this was what Shaye was doing at the time. It's
just him.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
He's just reflecting on Shane. You're again like with the show,
you're like, wait, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What is your journey babe?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Literally what's your dream? Because you're like, wait, what are
you doing as a job? And then he revealed like
there's this whole arc about like how he drops out
of college to work for his brother and.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Marketing position where they're marketing firm where they're marketing like
weight loss pills.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, it's so weird. Yeah, And then they have
this whole thing while like being like really dramatic on
and off like long distance relationship where there was like
fighting and she was seeing another guy, and then like
she breaks up with him, and then she calls him
and realizes she made a mistake, and he was being like, no,
I'm not going to pick.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Up the phone. But like this whole time, they're not
having sex.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
No, because when she finally says like, I guess I
do want to be with you, and they do this
thing and they get married and they talk about like
you know, classic bontage, like moving into your first, tiny
little apartment. She's like, so I had been to Sid's
apartment a few times.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
A few times. And then he also goes, you're talking
about the wedding. It was a day to remember, But
as a dude, I was mostly looking forward to the honeymoon.
Oh yeah, that's the one reference to just be like, yes,
I was hoping to lose my virginity to my wife.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So I do have to say now, like there were
a lot of guys at my art school now thinking back,
who were like Midwest indie guys in the tightest jeans
and white belts and really high voices who were straight right,
and so maybe that is this like Midwest like kind
of Christian, like you're like Christian indie or like hardcore
(16:02):
and just like have a really high.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Voice, yeah, and you're like thin and cooky yea, yeah,
I guess I could see him being straight. It's just
hard because he's so cocked by his wife and he's
so in her world that she runs and like it's
just like where are you? Said?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Where do you live? And there was the scene in
the show where like when they're touring their new like
big provo house and he gets in the bathtub and
he's like, this can fit too in here, and she
seems like so like not even like a joke like
oh my horny husband, Like she seems like so visibly
like a story thought of, like BEng in a bathtub
(16:43):
with him, and she literally goes, uh, yeah, I'm kind
of a hop in the shower, hop out.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah. She's like, you're crazy anyway. No, the whole show
is like them in their little interviews and him making
something like, yeah, would be really nice to maybe hold
her hand after a long day, and she's just like,
my husband's so crazy. He loves cereal, gotta go right.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Like it's constant, like she's always being like we were
so different, like he loved lollipops and not having a
plan and I wanted to get married after college. She's
making him sound so badass, and it's like he's like
I wanted to take like one month trip to like Hype.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well, she's the classic like kind of live Left Love
influencer where they're like, uh yeah, another crazy day at
the Bradford Home, Like I couldn't get any of our
kids to pose for the pictures. Just another day of chaos.
And it's the kids just like on their huge kitchen island,
like slightly not making eye contact with the camera.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And that's every episode is like they're always like it's
so good to reconnect at home with their daughters Wren
and like.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Her brother's daughter's named Piper. This is another thing where
it's like this kind of indie Christian that's so tweet.
Yes we're Piper and we're all birds. It's like all
of her children her birds.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
But yeah, to take it back to their days of
when they finally got together in their little apartment and
he realized being like she could turn a used Aikia
couch and make it look amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
By putting just like some yellow pillows from Wayfair on it.
I mean no if I Wayfer didn't exist back then,
but like that's the quality we're talking about. And then
she like painted all the walls.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Gray literally says quote gray walls were all the rage
back then.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
But the book starts out of her design origin story
is like these bookshelves, the bookshelves, and like it starts
kind of in medias rests, you know, as a lot
of books do, where it's this like huge struggle where
she's like beent Taske. It's like her first real client,
and like she said she could do these built in bookshelves.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, someone had built in bookshelves and they were like, well,
you design them.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And so then she had to like fill the shelves
with abjet and like style them. And so she's describing this,
she goes, My client's collection included books, manuals, sheet music, photos,
and plaques. All of these shapes were rectanglar in full
flat one styled alone. To add texture, I sprinkled materials
like pieces of driftwood, rocks, coral, and moss throughout the
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shelves to bring an organic quality to a very linear
wall between the books and boxes. I placed a glass
dome over a piece of coral, a dusty green circlet
next to a family picture, and a geode cracked open
to reveal cream colored crystals. If I grouped three items
on one shelf, I placed one large vase above it
to give the eye a moment to rest the balance
(19:36):
of busy and calm throughout. The design allowed the viewer
to appreciate the whole wall instead have been distracted by
too many items. She's basically describing, like how all of
this like kind of new, like modern, cheesy, built in
bookshelf style is where it's like vase, driftwood, three photo,
photo three more books and it's like moss, tiny, succulent,
and it's like I could not hate a way of
(19:58):
stiling bookshelves more than this. It's like, to me, it's
so weird and fake. It's like admitting that the books
are not for use at all and the books always
have that fucking rope like structure on top of it.
Are that not? You know?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's like she is, I would say they behave like
the Girl Boss, but driftwood style that has come together.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And it's all these like really muted or like sage
and gray and cream and natural and neutral. And it's like,
I think a bookshelf looks way schaker if it's all books,
all books, all books, and then one shelf that's all vases.
That is chic, all vases.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Okay, as someone who grew up with tons of books,
but like vases with books, I think it's possible to
do like vase books.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
But the books can't just be like the tom Ford.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I'm not about for I'm talking about fucking real books.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And like displayed vertically, not just like horizontally.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
The tom Ford, like Louis Vauton right, and then be
like city scapes of New York driftwood, miniterrieum nose, miniterrium, driftwood.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
How many mediterariums?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Sorry in your living row club?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Okay. Also, this is just so funny. When she's in college,
this is like her reflecting back, being like and I
told my mom I wanted to take intro to Interior
design and she said, like, but what job are you
gonna get with that? Like take intro to communications?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
The mom said, you can't draw, you can't draw, right,
And so this becomes this trauma on her shoulder that
repeats throughout for many many years and prevents her from
actually moving forward with her design business. And she's still
just like, no, I'm just a decorator. I'm just a pillowist,
you know what I mean. I can't be building built
in bookshelves because I can't drawn. I mean, that's a
(21:57):
horrible thing for a mother to say.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Horrible thing. I really related with that as someone who
had a passion for fashion.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Right, but he has a sort of non conventional drawing style.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And I was going into these like fashion classes and
I would draw my little drawings of clothes, but people
would be like, your drawings are bad.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, and you were like, actually, you've just never heard
of Matisse.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, it's just like in the fashion illustration classes, and
I felt like, you know what, I can't draw. Like fine,
I'll just like give up and like move into a
more experimental like podcast performance art, which has you know,
worked for me, but I feel like that is still
in me where I'm like just today, I feel like,
you know, looking at her, I'm like, she wants these things,
but that voice in her head even when you know,
(22:42):
buzz buzz buzz. Throughout Utah, people are saying, Shay McGee
is it right?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I mean, her nursery went viral and everyone was like,
fuck shame McGhee, Like this nursery is fucking me up
right now? Sis how did you ever think to put
like a cream colored pendant lamp in an all way room,
but then also do wallpaper above the Wayne Scotting shocking.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And when she does the bookshelves, which is so Also
this relationship where he's like, that day I went on
what was to become one of the first of many
diet coke runs.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Oh god. And then she's like, the diet coke was
more than diet coke. It was support it wascourage.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That's also warmed, like, I doubt they even drink coffee.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
The only thing he references red Bull a bunch because
his coffee like sinful, because it's like Italian.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, be Italian. When they like get their big TV break,
they designed a kitchen for Top Chef sweepstakes.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, that part was kind of okay.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And basically that they're like, I'm so nervous, so I
ditched the Red Bull and in my bag, I had
a sixty four ounce bottle of diet coke.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You're like, they've never had an alcoholic beverage I think
in their lives.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Just backtracks. They're also what they served at their wedding,
pesto paninis. They were just like it was the most
epic night. We had two hundred and fifty guests in
a barn and we ate pesto paninis.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh, and the caterers past pro Shooter rapped asparagus, pesto paninis,
and Sid's favorite pecan pie squares. The DJ played from
the hayloft and sent and I danced to cap Power
Sea of Loves. They're dancing to their barn wedding.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
The most like Mason Jar you know, Melia.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I mean, because the thing about Proshooter rapped asparagus and
pesto panini's is like, it's not like so cheesy Christian
to me, it's like she's from Texas. It's like a
they're not being text mes, even though they both love
Mexican food, Like they're being a little bit more like
New York boots. Yeah, it was like, I mean, I
guess it also sounds like preta manj.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
But yeah, it's a little more like lunch catering. But
the pestois of it all, well, you know, they probably
had a bigger budget to spend on pesto because there
was no alcohol.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Oh for sure, that's a great hack. Yeah, do you
think that there were people at their wedding being so
flask like some of his like non Mormon boys, I two.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Hundred and fifty guests. Someone had to be flask in there.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Do you think they are friends with non Morms.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, hmm, that's a good question. I don't know. I'm
also like, do they have friends, Like I feel like
their life is so busy and McGee and co and
the kids and like the work that I don't know
if like it sounds like her best friend is her mom,
who she says, we can talk about everything from like
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shoes to cookie recipes.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah. I think they're super family oriented. So she gets
into design because she just they're redoing the apartment. She's
posting photos and then keeps getting great feedback and then
she's realizing maybe this could be a business. And so
while they're like starting out, I think the main story
of this book is kind of like her stress over
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social media, like needing to post one.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Also then like kind of explaining what Instagram is and
just being like, we started.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Posting honestly though they're not wrong. Now she goes we
brainstorm ways to creatively stretch content across multiple posts. Shay
committed herself to posting once a day, even if she
didn't have new projects to share.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Honestly, we could take a note from it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
We could take a note. It's like I don't want
to do that. I just don't want my life to
be that. But it's honestly, it's just like, well, that's
how you build your business.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And he said posting him Readsistency is key.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
So what could have been one post about a living
room turned into ten Shay's hands placing fabric on a
design board, progress shot, shopping for flowers, sneak peek before
or after, half room, coffee table, vignette, full room view
from different angles. This is what I'm talking about. It's
like we need to be doing this and like stretching
out our contents. Like we make so much content. Literally
(26:54):
this is now business meeting where I'm like and I
feel like we've been saying this forever, but it's just
like so difficult to actually do. But it's like we
produce so much content, but we're not stretching it out enough.
And like this is why I've always wanted like more
video content. So it's like we're having like a little
clip every day from the same fucking episode.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I agree, Yeah, but it's just such.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
A fucking hassle to get it all together, and we're
just like at the end of the day, I'm hanging
my hat up and I'm having a martini.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean, I feel like I'm trying to post a lot.
But then you're just like the feedback.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But should we be more like full grid post of
just a picture of one book next day, full grid
post of just your hand on a martine on the
next day, full grid post of like one of the
labels of the natural wine we talked about on the
vip lounge that way, right, next day post of like
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in progress shot of a new T shirt that we're launching,
and it's like a corner of photoshop.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
This is our problem. And they actually talk about this.
They talk about how like actually, instead of waiting for
the professional photographer to like launch our new like design
of like kitchen, we just started posting right, And it's
like we're always like, oh, we need to launch the flow.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We're always in like launch mode.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
We need to launch the fact that we you know,
did this, or we need to launch the T shirt.
It is about like mood board, what about this T shirt?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Like you're right, and this actually brings me back to
something we've discussed on the pod, but post Malone and
Morgan Wallen's new song which is blowing up the spotts.
But like they released a clip of it like two
months ago that people have been listening to and getting
excited about for months, and then the song finally comes
out and I had thought initially like, oh, they're going
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to spend up all of their goodwill for the song,
like too early, but actually it just created a lot
more interest and now people are so primed to listen
to the song because they've been hearing that clip for
two months. Yeah, and so maybe it is about oh
but then you know, then we have that eternal debate
where I'm like, how much more do I want to share?
And how much more do I want to be in
my phone? How much more do want we're committing to
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this lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, I think there's something like, right, how much more
do I want to share? And it's not about like
sharing maybe more of your life, but maybe.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Stretching, stretching out what you're already doing into more like
corners and peaks, Yes, sneak peaks and corners peaks.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
And even though they're always talking about this book about
like and then we crop to the printer out of
the photo that Shay posted. But then okay, here you go,
and I feel like, and now this is the red table.
So they go to Cancun like as like their interior design.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh yeah, this is a harrowing vacation.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I mean, their business is heating up, but it's like
moment more problems. Of course, now they have all these clients,
they don't really know how to manage the team, and
so they go to Cancun and they're like, no, this
is gonna be just like us family, like sexy, time
for you to be gay or whatever. But the phones
don't stop ringing, and it's how big is this chandelier?
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Where should it hang?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But they have to make content because she has to
do her one post today. So he's doing a photo
show of her at the pool while she.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Mean that is us. I feel like it's like we're
both on a vacation. Then we're just being like, wait,
you guys like need to take a photo of us,
like by this sign.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So no, I know we need to be like iconic,
more couple photos of us.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But then I feel like that's why I was I'm
always like I've used all of them, and then I'm
just like I have nothing to post like and I'm
just like, do I need to find one more fucking TBT?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I mean I don't think we've used all of them.
I think there's an endless n of photos of us
at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But basically in Cancun they realize they come.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Back and they're like, we need to like shift our perspective.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, and that's when they like close down the interior
design business and just get into e commerce pillows and
you're like, Okay, we.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Need to stop taking on new clients and like figure
out our pillow and our couch business. But like slowly
they do.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Oh. Also during the show, they did this where she
goes to her two year old, which this is the
reason to have kids. She goes, Wren show me how
to fluff a pillow, and the girl loves it, and
she goes, now, karate chop, and then the girl does
like the chop in the middle to have, like.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Im the karate chop. I feel like this weird trend
it started. I don't know if it was selling Sunset,
but I started to see it on a lot of
these home design and like all of the like realtors
and whatever inter her designer people love to say the chop.
It's like this like meme. It's become to them that
they're like, oh, it's so interesting, And I'm like, personally,
I think the chop looks weird.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think the chop can work. But each pillow doesn't.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Have getting chopped. Yeah, it's like all the sudden it
looks like it looks like a restaurant or something. I
don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I went to be gianco dot com and I was like,
their pillows are going for like two hundred.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
No, they're settees are like forty three hundred for a
fucking like small couch.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Even though in this book she talks about like her
dream was to have a target line because she loves target,
It's like, well.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
They do have the target line. It's I do think
they do have.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I mean she is the most target person ever, because
like the whole thing about target is like how to
like be a baller on a budget.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
But the actual target shopper is way more like cluttered
than she is. The actual target shopper is so like
bins of laundry everywhere on MESSI bun Target run in Like.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, but I'm trying to like style, like it's like
people who shop at Target, Like it's about like this
kind of fake, more bougie on a budget, Like.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
She's the aspirational target for the Target shopper.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Absolutely, and they're just buying all the bins because they're
buying her bins. But then they're buying like Joanna Gaines
Alto bins. Yeah, and then they have this closet full
of pillows.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I love the lang where she goes. I've always been
a fan of carpet as a backdrop for furniture, which
I do think really speaks to her, like weird neutral
style where she's like all carpets have to be cream
or dusky rose or dusky blue or like a dusky sage,
like a carpet has to be like just so fading
into the background. And she's not doing like an architectural
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digest like funk carpet cover.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Except when they finally did get a message from ad
that changed everything everything.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, So they have this job from this rich couple
and like at first she turns down the job because
she's like it's too big of a project. I can't
do it. She's like too not confident herself as a designer,
has imposter syndrome. Then their business is growing, so she says, yes,
they have this massive estate that they're like, yes, we
want contemporary country and like rustic cheek, but we also
wanted to be modern, basically describing like all of the
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normal stawe she always does. And she was like, I
was so nervous to do modern, and they also want
me to incorporate this one steel ibeam into the design somewhere,
and she's like, I had no idea how I was
gonna incorporate the ibeam to get that industrial look. So
then she finally solves the problem, and her solve is
to make the I beam the mantle of the fireplace
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and just have this like steel facade of the fireplace
in the midst of this like all white room. And
the final result is so fucking boring and like not fabulous.
And then there's just like the antlers above the fireplace
and it's so fucking Denver Hiatt Lobby.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
No, that's the thing. It's like they could even like
be just a little more. When all the housewives and
Beverly Hills go to Aspen and like be like a
tiny bit more lodge.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Well, and the couple was worried that stone would be
too large. It's like, why are we worried about being
too large. Let's just get a little lodgy, just.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Get a tiny bit lodge. But yeah, it was like okay,
we're walking into Hyatt Denver and then they have these
like Ralph Lauren couches and then my least favorite type
of chair in the dining room, which is I like
to call the modern funeral director.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
When it's fabric fabric on a chair.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, a tall fabric chair that like looks like a
funeral person put like just a sheet over it.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
It's like, why is the chair wearing a dress?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Like a bad, ugly ass dress.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So Ad I wants to shoot this house, this Denver
Hyatt that she did, she's been like.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
A d my favorite magazine ever. And it's like it's.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Like, you don't seem likely inspired by Ady, you seem
inspired by Target.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I think. Also she reads stuff in AD but it's
so just like, oh, that's like not me because I'm
so provo, Like she's seeing a hotel that they're covering,
you know, who knows in Bali.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I mean, I did think it was really relatable. When
she talked on that infamous CanCon tip where they go
to the famous cook cookin ye, I was about to
read this passage.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, work was our life and we'd forgotten how to
do anything outside of it. I couldn't relax, even though
we needed to. When we spent a day and tuloom.
We walked around town, stopping in every fruit stand and
wandering through boutiques. It was on my bucket list to
visit the famous Cookey Cokey Hotel and see their pared
down white plaster walls contrasting against dark stained beams and
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hammocks stripping with fringe. I hope to bring home a
bottle of their eponymous perfume that smelled like the Yucatan,
with top notes of coconut and bitter greens. We found
the hotel and instead of soaking in it, I had
to find something to post on Instagram. Period. How relatable
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is that wanting to see.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
A hotel, but you're so focused on telegraphing how inspired
you are by the hotel to Instagram that you can't
actually enjoy it. Be in the moment We've all experienced
that on vacation.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
But hack for travel if you feel like, oh, you
can't stay at like this really shey hotel, just go
to the hotel bar. Oh yeah, just soak it in
or not go have fruit if you're Mormon, Yeah, and
just walk around and look at the lobby.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
You know, I love to lobby hop when I'm lobby hopping. Also,
I'll say this another hack for vacationing. This may or
might may not actually be good advice, but to not
get sucked into Instagram. I mean, like take photos with
your phone throughout the day to remember the amazing places,
but then just reserve ten minutes at the end of
the day to do your posting and then sort of
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move on so you're not sort of like live streaming
in your whole vacation.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah. No, I agree. But then also it's okay, just
we Devil's advocate for a second. Sometimes when you see
someone do do that, you're like, oh, all of a sudden,
then you see this whole day and you're like, posted
two minutes ago, posted three minutes ago, posted the story,
and you're kind of like, okay, it just seems like
you were waiting for Wi Fi.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
But I mean isn't that cool because you're like, wow,
they're in the place without Wi Fi. They must be
and the.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Live stream throughout the day. But then it's kind of like, okay,
cool now I know you're like laying down on the
hot It.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Is a little bit I can see you laying down
the hotel bat which is problematic for maintaining the kind
of fantasy of vacation. I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Right. Other option, get an old VHS camera like I did,
take a cool docum memory of your vacation.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Send it to your brother who's marketing business you quick,
who runs.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
A digital VHS conversion agency.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And have him put together an eight minute reel.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So it's like, right, Shay is doing all this being like,
oh I was loving the beams. And then Sid will
be like I knew I had to quit my brother's
digital marketing agency. Our Irish blood runs hot, and one
day I went in there and I told him I quit.
And let's just say he told me they get out
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of there with a few more four letter words.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
It sounds like maybe him and the brother like aren't
friends anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Still aren't speaking. He's like, and we have moved past that,
but like it took a long time.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, it's like when people say they're like, okay, so
you still hate each other.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Absolutely don't talk.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
So a big turning point was when they actually redid
her parents home, and the photos on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We're really really really blew up because her parents moved
from Wait, Utah to from Texas, Texas, Texas.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
It does sound like they moved from Utah to Utah
because it really is like so suburban in this world
where it's like it all looks the same. But of
all the rooms I designed for my parents, their mudroom
is probably the most copied room I've ever designed to
this day. The room itself was an unusual feature in
the home because it was situated between the kitchen and
the garage. It's like that could not be less unusual.
That's exactly where room with doors on both ends, like
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a breezeway leading from the front yard to the back.
It's just like this is like the most normal thing
for a mudroom to be doing is to be between
kitchen and garage. To maximize the square footage, Steve and
I made this space the hardest working room in the home.
If it a wash her dryer, a built in bench,
with hooks, storage for cleaning supplies, and a powder bathroom
in one corner. The mudroom was a landing zone to
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drop groceries in snowy boots, and a place for grandkids
throwing from the backyard with muddy feet and wet swimsuits
after playing this bokquis. The drop zone is a drop
zone that charm. She's kind of acting like she pioneered it,
and maybe she did to some extent. I don't know.
It's hard to say, like how this concept of the hooks,
because I do feel like every mudroom I'm seeing on
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these shows now, it's there's always like bench hooks, cubbies.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's so like kindergarteno no, I know, and it's kind
of and again it's in this muted blue and so
you're kind of like it's your adult cubby. I would
call that room in my house growing up a mudroom.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
When you first walked into the Richdale calendar, yeah yeah,
oh my god, I just got a whift smell.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I know, it was like this smell.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It was a musty, carpeted cold.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I think it was like.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Stoned the floor and the mudroom of stone.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah yeah, And there were like hooks.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And there were hooks, and were you dropping all of
your little boots and like.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I feel like I was dropping my snowy boots and
my bats.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
We had a mudroom, as I mean, you remember in
my house you walk in from the garage and there's
that fur room right there. There was the nanny hallway
to the left and the dining room to the right,
and it was that first little room and there was
a closet. Yeah, but it was small. It was quite small,
and there wasn't copies, there wasn't a bench. It did
become kind of a chaotic drop zone.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, they are also sit in shade. They redo their
like VP of operations in this episode. And because you know,
we grew up in the days of the middle class
having this stuffy, formal dining room that was never used, yes,
and like every house had that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
And now I feel like when people want it, it's
like they're being quirky and retro to want a dining room, right,
Like it's always like the one girl being like I
just have this dream of having a formal dining room,
even though I know it's like weird for me to
do that, Like I'm actually so quirked the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Right, and now design is all about having like a
modern pine table with a modern built in benches, with
modern storage and cubbies.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So it's like you can't actually even have chairs. It's
just benches and stools. It's the lobbyisfication lobby life.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
She Redes write her VP's like house who just like
is so obsessed with her and fanning out the whole time.
It is like I can't believe I'm talking to Sid
and it's like, well believe it.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
You're like the CMO of the company, and.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
They fully get rid of her formal dining room that's
actually still even being kind of tweet and modern and
make it a butler's pantry.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I mean, I do think storage is essential, but I
do think that just like doing away with any kind
of at least scalable to formality dining room table is
a mistake.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Well, dining room table is so add for Will Spargo
about people looking at.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Bills, yes, and like and it's just Kyles.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, it's a woman like this and the husband.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
With a calculator calculator and they're just look at each
other like, I don't think we can do it.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Before we kind of head to segments. Just one of
the biggest downfalls they deal with is they realize that
one of their where houses stealing.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Stealing their furniture for their own lobby.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
And they're like, we got there and there was like
our set tea couch in the lobby.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Our beautiful McGee and co. Like all of the numbers
weren't adding up, and.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Like they like hues weren't adding up.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Inventory was not matching to what it was supposed to be,
and the couches were missing. And then also there but
they were also sending them like free tickets to the
Utah and she was like, oh, that's why you sent
me all those Utah Jazz tickets because you were stealing cities.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
No, it fucking adds up. Okay, everything comes with the price.
The end of the book gets really shipping and handling
and it's like they move so many warehouses.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah. And also the Netflix thing, which is like why
anyone knows who they are? It's just like gloss over
so quick. And she's like and then Netflix called, let
we had a meeting with them, and I was super
prepared and we got the show and we were ourselves
and it was super authentic and.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
It was awesome, but then it's just like forty pages
being so like we hadn't set up the SKEW system
because actually the warehouse we were using in Greater Provo
had a different system.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
And honestly, that's the worst.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
And then the guys actually built beautiful shelving for our warehouse.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
It's always fucking open shelving with them. And I love
at the beginning when the contractors like, they're like, uh,
you can't really store anything in this fucking open concept shelving,
Like maybe you want to think about some more cabinets
in here, and she's like no, and she's like, I'm
so glad I'm stuck to my gun that it's like, well, okay,
but they're right because all you want to do is
have these quote European style open shelving where you're putting
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three bowls and that's it.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
People love the open shelving. And I'll let me tell
you this as a maid, here's the thing about open shelving.
If you don't have a maid dusting your open shelving
every day, those open shelves get pc dirty, and then
the plates get dust too, and then your little Bodega
CB two glasses are getting dusty. How choose your fighter.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Because the cabinet actually prevents desk accumulation, right, So I
mean that's like so true, And people don't think about
her adding way more work. Well, these people probably don't
know what they're made is going through exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
They don't know. They literally don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
So rude fucked up my head.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh and then the other thing is like her having
like a come to Jesus moment when she just like
walks into a store that has like succulents and pillows
in California and she's just like Sid was browsing t
shirts and I've walked into the store and I was
so shook, and it's like, haven't you ever been to
just like a tweet store with plants and napkins?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I think that's what's beautiful about her Mormonism is like
it allows her to be like excited by the most
basic stuff on the planet over and over and over again. Right,
that's what keeps her going.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
She's the indie one for like using succulents in Utah, yes, California,
and discovering a napkin.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Right in a store that has succlance is like mind blowing.
And then She's like, a store needs to create a
sensory experience, and honestly, she's not wrong about that, And
I do think more people need to remember that that
your storefront is not about selling. It's about a sensory
experience for customers that is going to engage them with
the brand and make them remember the brand and want
to go shop for e commerce on your website. Tell
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people about your store, tell people about your brand, how
it is a marketing and a sensory opportunity.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
First and foremost, when you go into a store and
it smells amazing, you remember it. When you go into
say an Alison Olivia boutique and they are preparing free
Cosumeigo's margaritas, that's.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
When you're going to tell all your girlfriends about the
Alison Olivia papa.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Or your mother because you're so close. Hey, girlfriend, Alison
Olivia is serving up amazing cosmegos margat is. Get your
butt down here.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Okay. I think my favorite part of the book, though,
is the acknowledgment section. Christine Monson. First of all, all
these names are like so you Carly Grimes, Jamie with
two E's Livingstone, Tawny Walker Walker, Christine with a k
monson your eyes unmatched and we're thankful you know, lead
the team to style our bookshelves. Kelsey Lindley, We've watched
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you grow from intern by the Swamp Cooler to design
leader Rock sand Wise. You were right about switching to Shopify.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
That line killed me, girl. You were right about movie
to Shopify.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
And this episode is sponsored by Shopify.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Use code CBC at check out wweet what's that sounds even?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Oh, that's the sound of another Shopify sale.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
That's the sound of us going into seconds.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Make beautiful?
Speaker 2 (47:50):
What does she eat?
Speaker 1 (47:50):
What does she wear? How does she live? Certainly know
how she lives?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
She lives copper mutual couch and like he's sitting on
it and she's being like, don't get too comfortable on
this like linen couch.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, she's like, Oh, he's always sitting on the couch
with his socks off or something.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
And it's just like he has like grown up like
Indie cat power style where he's like skinny salvage. Maybe
they're not even selvage, but like they look sealvage. They're
not the brown boots.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
He has like super normal like Nashville mail style.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, he's like shopping at like what's that store Garden
and Raw Garden and Gun.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
You're talking about that place. There's like one in Dumbo
that's right across from Scotch and Soda and it's called
like Roden Gun or something. Her style is.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Like elevated target, Like she has more cottage core where
she is in like.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
But it's somewhere between like TikTok Milkmaid and like Live
Left Love and like girl Boss because she's not fully
wearing like wide like pantsuits.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
She'll be in like a full like milk made cottage
or prairie dress, but then she'll be in like a
wrapped massive duster with like multiple belts.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
It's like a little more QVC.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I do think she does buy a lot of her
clothes off Instagram.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, she's Instagram brands, and like she's definitely wearing spanks
or whatever the new Instagram like body suit like underneath
her topses.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
And then like probably also a bunch of like Salt
Lake boutiques. She's doing the bookshelves for like Lawless Ladies, Yeah,
lawd Lady, and they're like for.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Their amazing store in downtown SLC.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Because I mean the boutiques are popping off there.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh, the street level retail is incredible and salt like,
And that's what I tell all of my clients.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
It's almost impossible to get in the scene. What if
they eat they're very like fake pancake family, like they're
always eating pancakes on screen.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, socause, well they love to like make meals with
their kids because there shows off their massive island and
then it's like saying that they're a good family and
like he loves cereal because he's a kid at heart.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
That's just sweet tooth and they're like talking about also
like a tweet donut place that they love, and you
can tell it's a tweet donut place because they're like,
we had to stop by Sidecard Donuts, famous for their
butter and salt donuts.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, I mean, I bet those are good. But it's
just like the thing where it's like it is very
donut while wedding, where it's just like he's the man
in his one personality trait that he's allowed to have
is like sweet tooth is donut and that's all he
gets kind of all he gets.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Really, what I do feel like is sad whether or not,
like he's gay or is into her, and they are
weirdly like having sex once a year is like do
you think in their big suv like they're still like
putting on cap power? Oh and is he now like
putting on the Killers? Being like remember the song babe,
and she's just like turn it off.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
I think it's a little more like, yes, you still
put on the killers, be like, oh my god, Like
you are so crazy and chaotic for love this band.
It's never a dull moment with you. Oh my god,
our life is crazyane? How do we hold it all together?
One second you're listening to the Killers, the next you're
having cereal with our daughter and our spotless kitchen.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
I have to go for a meeting, But I love
you so much and I love what we've created together.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
But also kind of rolling her eyes, being like I
can't believe you're this insane listening to Killers.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Or even like putting on the killers.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, Because then I wonder if maybe they're just like,
actually it's time for like really quiet Christian rock.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I don't think they've pivoted Christian rock. She is like
true Crime Pod to me. I feel like she's stopped
listening to music.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
She seems too like doesn't have the attention span to
like sit in her car listen to True Crime pod
for like, I guess she's probably always on like a
forty five minute drive in her HUSUV.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, and is tuning in to like and she's like,
I don't know, I like this stuff. Don't tell anyone
I'm dark.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
What if it's straight up Bible versus it could be that, Okay,
who are you? In the book?
Speaker 2 (52:11):
I feel like I am working in an office in
one of their like earlier sketchy Salt Lake office rentals, and.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
She's as a maid or like as.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Like working in the dentist office.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I don't know the below, just like who are this
weird warming couple?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yell like freaks?
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I could see myself. There are times, though, when I
do think that she has like a good sense of
scale in her designs and I'm like, oh, or like
the level of the quality of rent and we're like, okay,
like you actually did a great job, like building a
little step there and like turning this like side room
into like a much more like functional and open like
sitting room. That's nice, but I just hate how it's
(52:52):
like so boring and bland. And then like but to compare.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Them to Joanna, Like, I feel like Joanna is just
like this crazy bot at this you know, like, yes,
Johanna loves buying like a Wheel, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Like he's definitely less like Wheel, which than Joanna, which
I appreciate better out.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Like construction, yes, and like knocking down walls and like
totally transforming some nasty old house. And I feel like
she is better at being like okay, basic other girl boss,
like let's kind of create a vibe even if it
is right boring. I feel like you are kind of
shade just because you have got to sign this surgery
(53:31):
and you're being like, wait, take photos of me at.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
The pool, No, for sure? And I empathize identify with
a little bit of her type anus.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
I'm so crazy in type A and.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Some crazy and type and there's never a dull moment
round my insane house. It's always chaos here.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
And I guess I'm I relate to her my chip
on my shoulder by.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Drawing right, and it's time for you to like literally
start your business.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
My business, my shorts business.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
It also made me think of like, how know they
tried other Johns and they always came back to do
because like advising her friends on what pillows to buy,
I always gave her more joy than anything else she
was doing. And it made me think about that in
like cocktails and like.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Right, it's like what if you always loved doing right
drinking king?
Speaker 1 (54:16):
And I'm kind of like maybe that's like I need
to go towards that, and like it is about the bar,
and like Sam asked us on a recent episode of
our podcast on the vip Lounge, like what we would
want to do in like a secret other life, and
I was like, oh, I do want to open a
gin bar? And I will you want to be so hotel?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Well that too, but I was also like sandwiches, Oh, sandwiches, Yeah,
but then you're really do you want to be Dan
day out? And then I was like, oh, would the
passion be gone? Would the passion begone for Jin if
you were like.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Oh, Like, I know that's the problem with like jobs,
as they make everything suck.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Right, Like you know, it's like, oh, my passion was
talking to my friend Steven and now it's.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Right now it's like, oh my god, kill me before
killing episode of this fucking podcast again.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
So yeah, I know, I know what you mean, yeah,
it's crazy. Okay, well we're on that journey.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So what do you give this book?
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Oh? I give this book Honestly, I had so much
fun reading this and about their skews. I give it
a four wow, four antlers out of five. I guess
I miss like reading like something tombn quick, tom and quick.
But I also just like loved how it was about
like shipping and handling.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
No, and I appreciated all her like honesty about posting
like that felt real to me in a way that
people don't usually get. I liked that it was topping
out at like two eleven. Yeah, books getting up intil
like two eighty nine three point fifteen, Like they need
to stop that. Most books should be around two hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
I also loved it because it was like Mormon without
being Mormon, so it was just Mormon culture.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
It's yeah. I mean, it would be interesting if they
ever admit it to me. More Mormon ever, but I
guess that makes them more universal accessible.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, that's just kind of like casual, like we're.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
More Yeah, of course you don't talk about being Mormon.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah, more Mormons, of course. We love the killers.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Okay, Well, thanks for listening. Guys, is another fun episode.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, let's be to all what is like the Mormon prayer?
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Praise, Praise our elders, Praise our.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Elders, john sisters, brothers.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
And if you haven't praised your elders is in me
and Lily please go great a review of our podcast on.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Apple Anyway, thanks for listening. As always, you guys lift
me up and bring me closer to God every single day.
And I know you're listening.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
And if you want more of us, you head over
to patrinon Accomplice CBC. The pod. We really try to
give you lots of content and stretch content and over there,
so keep stretching best best.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
This really cool, awesome episode was exactly produced by Christina Everett,
who I went to bring them young with. She was
like a sister to me and we could talk about
everything from salad recipes to shopping the tough stuff like
classes in the finals.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Our producer is the incredible Derby Masters who paved the
way with grace.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
Our superprising producer is a Boo Zafar who is i'll
say it, my husband.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Our original theme song was created by Steam Phillips host Stephen.
Your eye is unmatched and I'm so thankful to have
had you lead the team to where it is. With
all this style and finance and personality that you bring
to the table, you remind me of the hairdresser Patrick.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Our artwork was done by Teddy Blank, who is a
local Provo artist. Many people don't know that there's an
art scene in Provo. There is.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
I'd like to thank our former partners at Prologue Projects.
You were right about switching to Shopify.
Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,
you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books
and a bottle of wine to kill.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Celebrity poof Club, Read it while it's hot.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Celebrity poof Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.
No boys are loud. Celety book say it loud and.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Cloud Celebrity Book Club.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Buzz me in. I brought the queer vow. Hey, best friend,
I'm loving every other summer.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Every other summer is the best feeling. It's just so
calming and beautiful. You look so relaxed, you're glowing. Not
having seen you in two weeks on the main episode.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
On the main episode, of course, I saw you on
the beaches and on the bike paths because we had
time to bike. Because we're doing every other summer.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's just been such a nice change of pace for
our listeners and for us.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Oh my god, I'm like, I'm curious, like what the
club kids are up to. I feel like they're all
learning how to like crochet with alternative materials.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, drop in the comments, how your every other summer
is going anyway?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm doing really well. I'm really centered. I'm really finding
my joy in sitting in my piece.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Heck, yes, I'd love to hear that from a good friend.
When a good friend is centered.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I agree. I did actually have a very kind of
non Christian but Christian interaction today with oh woman on
the TD bank helpline where my boyfriend who is working
out of the country right now, like his debacer wasn't working.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, sorry, everyone, Steven is an army wife.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Now I know. I'm an army wife. My husband is
in Saudi Arabia and he what's up to me? Being
like can you call TD bank and like pretend to
be me and like tell them to unlock the card
because his phone doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh, because his TD bank was like this, how to
be a scam? Where are you using in Saudi Arabia?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, so that thing where it like locks it down.
Why are you trying to like take out cash in
Saudi Arabia? So I call and I'm like hi, like
this is Chase, and then she's like, Okay, where are
you coming from. I was like, yeah, I'm in Saudi
Arabia and my card's not working. She was like, ooh,
what's the weather. Like I was just like, girl, it
is hot. It is in the one hundreds. She was like, oh,
(02:23):
like I know some friends in Texas and they say
it can get hot down there, but that's a different
kind of hot. And I was like, oh, no, it's dry.
It's very dry. And then I'm like making up this door.
I was like, yeah, I just had to run from
the Uber right into the building. I'm at, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Dve w you know you're running from the Uber in
Saudi Arabia. She's like, girl, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Anyway. Then then of course there was like a whole
fifteen minute long thing where she was trying to send
like a confirmation text.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, and then you had to get on What's App
and be like did you get the code?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yes? But then like he was just like not able
to get the code, and it was very like none
of this is working. And she'd be like, unfortunately, I
cannot verify your number because this is not one of
the numbers that's in the verification system and you need
to verify in order to get the verification.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Classic can't get those digits from a text, I mean,
do you even exist?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It's just like okay, cool. And she was like, but
I do advise you to go online and send a
secure message.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
She was like, oh my god, have you chucked out
td by dot com.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
But it was a beautiful experience connecting with my fellow
Americans exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's really cool to connect even when the problem isn't solved.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, I know, even when you're left in the same
position you already started. It feels good. Just a great community.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know who also builds community as.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Stephen one of our favorite couples who have a home
design makeover show that you may know from Netflix, which
is called Dream Home Makeover, which is a beautiful Utah
driven show.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Home renovation, but also kind of leaning towards interior half
and half the interior design a home runner.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And because obviously this couple, their business has actually two components,
which is the interior design, but then also the retail store,
which is mostly online.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Which they're thriving in the e commerce way McGee and.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Co mcgian Co Furniture. Of course, we're talking about none
other than I'm Sitting and.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Shaggi and their beautiful joint memoir May make Life.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Beautiful, beautiful. So this couple is, let's just say the
quiet part out loud. They are Mormon as their Mormon,
and the show is so Mormon, yet they never say
they're Mormon, and in this book they never say that.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
They say is that she went to Young the Mormon College,
and he, though from California, went to a neighboring Utah college.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Just like some like Provo Community College. And he also
there's this part in the beginning where he's like, I
did a service mission for our church.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So his vibe is also the genre of Mormon that
is like indie light Mormon.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, and also the genre of Mormon which is like
gay guy.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yes, the other unspoken biggest.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So many Mormons.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You've been obsessed with this show, and I felt like
you had told me about a while ago, and I
was like, you know, peel behind the Curtain looking through
our list, and I was like, ooh, design book, like
we haven't done one of those in a while. And
then I watched an episode and I was like, so
he's the gayest man alive.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, he's this kind of like you know, brunetti redhead,
like freckly, super thin guy who's like always in tight
skinny jeans and he's just like I love donuts and
he's I am sweet cute. He's like her kooky, cucked husband.
And then she's this like really milk made blonde, like
round face tart. Yeah, she's a love is blind nine
(05:59):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah no, like I'm giving this book wasn't a picture
book for me? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah. And she's just got a nice like nice titties,
full lips c W.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Like I feel like she yeah, looks exact like she
plays like Anna Lynne McCord's older sister on the reboot
of Nino two.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And zero absolutely who's like always coming home and like
being like slutty but like also apprude formerly slutty. Yeah,
and she's like judging her sister. But I started watching
the show in the pandemic and I was like, wow,
I'm obsessed with them. I'm obsessed with their renovations, even
more so than like property brothers. Like she's always just like,
(06:41):
let me cover everything in white paint and just like
turn everything into like a literal snowstorm. Like I will
cover every inch of a home in white paint till
you literally can't see anything, and you like don't know
where you are.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Full snowdrop, right, because there's some like Salt Lake and
in the book, he's just like, I was just this
skinny kid from Cali, man like I loved skateboarding and surfing.
And she's like when I met Sid for the first time,
he was like hanging out my brother Austin. He was
just like doing tricks on his skateboard.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And then he when he sees her for the first time,
she has a cat power CD.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
In her Ford. It's this whole thing where they're being like,
we're just like badass, like messy, like millennial like hipsters.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
But secretly Mormon.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And she's like, yeah, I'm like cruising around my car
Ford Explorer more like the Ford Exploder.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Because it was like such a loud He was like
I heard that thing coming up the street before I
even saw her. What's weird also about their Mormonism. I
don't know how much of the show you watched, but
there is an episode early on where they're doing some
sort of like montage of like photos of her, and
there is a photo of her with Mitt Romney like
framed like on a mantle of a fireplace somewhere, and
you're like, okay, so you guys are kind of deep
(08:03):
into the Utah Church society, like world met Yeah, you're
hanging out with Mitt and like other elders. Oh wait,
wait sidebar on, like Mormons being gay, and then we
get back to their meeting story. In an improv class
I took at ucb Rest in peace or ip, Yeah,
there was a Mormon musical theater girl and her husband
(08:29):
was like the gayest person I've ever met, and he
was like in the class and I was just like,
what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I think there's something specific about Mormons that makes the
guys gayer almost because like it is maybe the hornier
religion because like they're.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Poll okay, yes, they're Polly, and they're sort of all
of their kind of sexual like idiosyncrasies are much more
like kind of built into the practice of the religion
in this way where it's not just like Catholic kind
of general repression, but it's more just like no, you're
wearing the weird underwear and you're you're like and it's about.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Like being friendly. It's kind of like instead of like Catholics,
which I feel like train you to be the most
like toxic like badass man who could be closeted, like
Mormon is about like spending two years with your close
male buddy, like going door to door.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, they're kind of training you to be gay. It's nurtured.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
It's more like cheerful, Like it's not about being tough
and like working on the field. It's about being like
hey Rascal mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And you know, evangelicalism is like also I think super trivil,
at least as I understand it these days in America
with the megachurches and all the like pastors may being
so justin Bieber and all that, but it's.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
A little more like hip hop because it's so like yeah,
started TikTok.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Whereas Mormonism is still like so twee because they're also
so tweet. They're like minimalist tweet.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay. Watching the show, it's like they are doing the
same thing that like Chip and Joanna do that all
the like Reno couples do where girl eye rolls a
guy for being like silly. But like there was a
scene episode I just watched where like she just finished
like snowfalling their actual house.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Wait, and it's like copper hardware everywhere they're copper coded
they're so copper coded now because they started out as
brass like Girl Boss brass, yeah, hardware and the brass
handles and the brass handeliers and the brass lamp poles,
and like now they have moved on to copper and
nickel love nickel. Yeah, she's like single handedly depleted, like
(10:39):
ten Nickel mines in Western Australia.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
She's like mine harder. I love how it's just like
every other show is like the man is the contractor
and the girls the interior designer, but in this she's
just the interior designer and he does like marketing.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He does marketing and kind of spreadsheets and business is
just kind of there and just being like it looks
really good. I love the space. And then the contractor
is actually this like really hot like muscle guy that
she's always meeting with.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
My god, the sexual tension between her and what's his name.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Like uh whatever, the killer and contracting.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
He's huge.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
He's insane here, okay, But back to their meeting, so
he's this like skinny skater friend of Austin, her brother,
and like she's just moving into the dorms like in
her beat up ford or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
No, she's helping her brother move into a new apartment
with her forward and then Sid is helping with his skateboard,
and this line was so Mormon. He was like, he
bribed me with snacks to help him move, not that
I needed a bribe to help a friend.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
This is Sid saying this.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Sid is saying this. He's been like, of course I
would never need a bribe to help a friend, because
that's good Christian values.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But like so epic Christian memes.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'd be like Swedish fish helped sweeten the deal.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I started skating as I waited for Austin's sister to
show up with the car. I heard the thing before
I could see it. When Shape hold into the lot,
I turned to Austin and said, dang, dude, your sister
is pretty cute. He rolls side and didn't say anything.
We started loading the car and I noticed a cap
Power seat on her visor. I told her she had
good taste of music for a Texan classic flirt move,
an underhanded compliment.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
She laughs again, so gay, him explaining He's like, right,
that's flirting with a woman. Yeah, total flirting with women vibe.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I'm in my flirting with women arc I use my
skateboard as a Dolly Willing boxer from the trunk of
Austin's den apartment. After we finished unloading, Shane I sat
on Austin's saggy plaid couch and chatted in the living
room Wally stuff concert, teasing to dress her drawers. We
talked about when we missed about home. Shae was from
Texas and I'm from California. We both missed the Mexican food.
We discovered we were both studying communication.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Hey, you're communications, I'm in communications.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
The Gayest Story and then he shamelessly asked for her
number in front of the her mom. Oh, by the way,
in the book is back and forth of the two
of them, righting.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It is seen in the property Brother's book and Chip
and Joanna.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's just a design duo trope in a memoir. Now
you have to do the back and.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's either twin or design duo.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh wait, because do the sisters get back and forth?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah? Okay, and like they'll do the thing will be
like shay and chaos. So just if anyone else Sho's
girl say it is her gay husband, like, she'll be like,
h my car and then he'll like do his perspective
and be like, I was so nervous to like leave
the beaches of California to start my pursuit of marketing communications.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Utah, it's very much about her, Like her sequences are
five times as long. It's all about how she's like
discovering pillows and like building this brand and deciding to
be designer. And then he'll have like two paragraphs where
it's just like Shaye really wanted to do this, and
this was what Shaye was doing at the time. It's
just him.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
He's just reflecting on Shane. You're again like with the show,
you're like, wait, what do you do?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What is your journey babe?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Literally what's your dream? Because you're like, wait, what are
you doing as a job? And then he revealed like
there's this whole arc about like how he drops out
of college to work for his brother and.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Marketing position where they're marketing firm where they're marketing like
weight loss pills.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, it's so weird. Yeah, And then they have
this whole thing while like being like really dramatic on
and off like long distance relationship where there was like
fighting and she was seeing another guy, and then like
she breaks up with him, and then she calls him
and realizes she made a mistake, and he was being like, no,
I'm not going to pick.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Up the phone. But like this whole time, they're not
having sex.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
No, because when she finally says like, I guess I
do want to be with you, and they do this
thing and they get married and they talk about like
you know, classic bontage, like moving into your first, tiny
little apartment. She's like, so I had been to Sid's
apartment a few times.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
A few times. And then he also goes, you're talking
about the wedding. It was a day to remember, But
as a dude, I was mostly looking forward to the honeymoon.
Oh yeah, that's the one reference to just be like, yes,
I was hoping to lose my virginity to my wife.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
So I do have to say now, like there were
a lot of guys at my art school now thinking back,
who were like Midwest indie guys in the tightest jeans
and white belts and really high voices who were straight right,
and so maybe that is this like Midwest like kind
of Christian, like you're like Christian indie or like hardcore
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and just like have a really high.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Voice, yeah, and you're like thin and cooky yea, yeah,
I guess I could see him being straight. It's just
hard because he's so cocked by his wife and he's
so in her world that she runs and like it's
just like where are you? Said?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Where do you live? And there was the scene in
the show where like when they're touring their new like
big provo house and he gets in the bathtub and
he's like, this can fit too in here, and she
seems like so like not even like a joke like
oh my horny husband, Like she seems like so visibly
like a story thought of, like BEng in a bathtub
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with him, and she literally goes, uh, yeah, I'm kind
of a hop in the shower, hop out.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah. She's like, you're crazy anyway. No, the whole show
is like them in their little interviews and him making
something like, yeah, would be really nice to maybe hold
her hand after a long day, and she's just like,
my husband's so crazy. He loves cereal, gotta go right.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Like it's constant, like she's always being like we were
so different, like he loved lollipops and not having a
plan and I wanted to get married after college. She's
making him sound so badass, and it's like he's like
I wanted to take like one month trip to like Hype.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Well, she's the classic like kind of live Left Love
influencer where they're like, uh yeah, another crazy day at
the Bradford Home, Like I couldn't get any of our
kids to pose for the pictures. Just another day of chaos.
And it's the kids just like on their huge kitchen island,
like slightly not making eye contact with the camera.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And that's every episode is like they're always like it's
so good to reconnect at home with their daughters Wren
and like.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Her brother's daughter's named Piper. This is another thing where
it's like this kind of indie Christian that's so tweet.
Yes we're Piper and we're all birds. It's like all
of her children her birds.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
But yeah, to take it back to their days of
when they finally got together in their little apartment and
he realized being like she could turn a used Aikia
couch and make it look amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
By putting just like some yellow pillows from Wayfair on it.
I mean no if I Wayfer didn't exist back then,
but like that's the quality we're talking about. And then
she like painted all the walls.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Gray literally says quote gray walls were all the rage
back then.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
But the book starts out of her design origin story
is like these bookshelves, the bookshelves, and like it starts
kind of in medias rests, you know, as a lot
of books do, where it's this like huge struggle where
she's like beent Taske. It's like her first real client,
and like she said she could do these built in bookshelves.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, someone had built in bookshelves and they were like, well,
you design them.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And so then she had to like fill the shelves
with abjet and like style them. And so she's describing this,
she goes, My client's collection included books, manuals, sheet music, photos,
and plaques. All of these shapes were rectanglar in full
flat one styled alone. To add texture, I sprinkled materials
like pieces of driftwood, rocks, coral, and moss throughout the
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shelves to bring an organic quality to a very linear
wall between the books and boxes. I placed a glass
dome over a piece of coral, a dusty green circlet
next to a family picture, and a geode cracked open
to reveal cream colored crystals. If I grouped three items
on one shelf, I placed one large vase above it
to give the eye a moment to rest the balance
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of busy and calm throughout. The design allowed the viewer
to appreciate the whole wall instead have been distracted by
too many items. She's basically describing, like how all of
this like kind of new, like modern, cheesy, built in
bookshelf style is where it's like vase, driftwood, three photo,
photo three more books and it's like moss, tiny, succulent,
and it's like I could not hate a way of
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stiling bookshelves more than this. It's like, to me, it's
so weird and fake. It's like admitting that the books
are not for use at all and the books always
have that fucking rope like structure on top of it.
Are that not? You know?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's like she is, I would say they behave like
the Girl Boss, but driftwood style that has come together.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And it's all these like really muted or like sage
and gray and cream and natural and neutral. And it's like,
I think a bookshelf looks way schaker if it's all books,
all books, all books, and then one shelf that's all vases.
That is chic, all vases.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Okay, as someone who grew up with tons of books,
but like vases with books, I think it's possible to
do like vase books.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
But the books can't just be like the tom Ford.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I'm not about for I'm talking about fucking real books.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And like displayed vertically, not just like horizontally.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
The tom Ford, like Louis Vauton right, and then be
like city scapes of New York driftwood, miniterrieum nose, miniterrium, driftwood.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
How many mediterariums?
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Sorry in your living row club?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Okay. Also, this is just so funny. When she's in college,
this is like her reflecting back, being like and I
told my mom I wanted to take intro to Interior
design and she said, like, but what job are you
gonna get with that? Like take intro to communications?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
The mom said, you can't draw, you can't draw, right,
And so this becomes this trauma on her shoulder that
repeats throughout for many many years and prevents her from
actually moving forward with her design business. And she's still
just like, no, I'm just a decorator. I'm just a pillowist,
you know what I mean. I can't be building built
in bookshelves because I can't drawn. I mean, that's a
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horrible thing for a mother to say.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Horrible thing. I really related with that as someone who
had a passion for fashion.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Right, but he has a sort of non conventional drawing style.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And I was going into these like fashion classes and
I would draw my little drawings of clothes, but people
would be like, your drawings are bad.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, and you were like, actually, you've just never heard
of Matisse.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, it's just like in the fashion illustration classes, and
I felt like, you know what, I can't draw. Like fine,
I'll just like give up and like move into a
more experimental like podcast performance art, which has you know,
worked for me, but I feel like that is still
in me where I'm like just today, I feel like,
you know, looking at her, I'm like, she wants these things,
but that voice in her head even when you know,
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buzz buzz buzz. Throughout Utah, people are saying, Shay McGee
is it right?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I mean, her nursery went viral and everyone was like,
fuck shame McGhee, Like this nursery is fucking me up
right now? Sis how did you ever think to put
like a cream colored pendant lamp in an all way room,
but then also do wallpaper above the Wayne Scotting shocking.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And when she does the bookshelves, which is so Also
this relationship where he's like, that day I went on
what was to become one of the first of many
diet coke runs.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Oh god. And then she's like, the diet coke was
more than diet coke. It was support it wascourage.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
That's also warmed, like, I doubt they even drink coffee.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
The only thing he references red Bull a bunch because
his coffee like sinful, because it's like Italian.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, be Italian. When they like get their big TV break,
they designed a kitchen for Top Chef sweepstakes.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, that part was kind of okay.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
And basically that they're like, I'm so nervous, so I
ditched the Red Bull and in my bag, I had
a sixty four ounce bottle of diet coke.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You're like, they've never had an alcoholic beverage I think
in their lives.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Just backtracks. They're also what they served at their wedding,
pesto paninis. They were just like it was the most
epic night. We had two hundred and fifty guests in
a barn and we ate pesto paninis.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh, and the caterers past pro Shooter rapped asparagus, pesto paninis,
and Sid's favorite pecan pie squares. The DJ played from
the hayloft and sent and I danced to cap Power
Sea of Loves. They're dancing to their barn wedding.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
The most like Mason Jar you know, Melia.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I mean, because the thing about Proshooter rapped asparagus and
pesto panini's is like, it's not like so cheesy Christian
to me, it's like she's from Texas. It's like a
they're not being text mes, even though they both love
Mexican food, Like they're being a little bit more like
New York boots. Yeah, it was like, I mean, I
guess it also sounds like preta manj.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
But yeah, it's a little more like lunch catering. But
the pestois of it all, well, you know, they probably
had a bigger budget to spend on pesto because there
was no alcohol.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Oh for sure, that's a great hack. Yeah, do you
think that there were people at their wedding being so
flask like some of his like non Mormon boys, I two.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Hundred and fifty guests. Someone had to be flask in there.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Do you think they are friends with non Morms.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, hmm, that's a good question. I don't know. I'm
also like, do they have friends, Like I feel like
their life is so busy and McGee and co and
the kids and like the work that I don't know
if like it sounds like her best friend is her mom,
who she says, we can talk about everything from like
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shoes to cookie recipes.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah. I think they're super family oriented. So she gets
into design because she just they're redoing the apartment. She's
posting photos and then keeps getting great feedback and then
she's realizing maybe this could be a business. And so
while they're like starting out, I think the main story
of this book is kind of like her stress over
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social media, like needing to post one.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Also then like kind of explaining what Instagram is and
just being like, we started.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Posting honestly though they're not wrong. Now she goes we
brainstorm ways to creatively stretch content across multiple posts. Shay
committed herself to posting once a day, even if she
didn't have new projects to share.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Honestly, we could take a note from it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
We could take a note. It's like I don't want
to do that. I just don't want my life to
be that. But it's honestly, it's just like, well, that's
how you build your business.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And he said posting him Readsistency is key.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
So what could have been one post about a living
room turned into ten Shay's hands placing fabric on a
design board, progress shot, shopping for flowers, sneak peek before
or after, half room, coffee table, vignette, full room view
from different angles. This is what I'm talking about. It's
like we need to be doing this and like stretching
out our contents. Like we make so much content. Literally
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this is now business meeting where I'm like and I
feel like we've been saying this forever, but it's just
like so difficult to actually do. But it's like we
produce so much content, but we're not stretching it out enough.
And like this is why I've always wanted like more
video content. So it's like we're having like a little
clip every day from the same fucking episode.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I agree, Yeah, but it's just such.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
A fucking hassle to get it all together, and we're
just like at the end of the day, I'm hanging
my hat up and I'm having a martini.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I mean, I feel like I'm trying to post a lot.
But then you're just like the feedback.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But should we be more like full grid post of
just a picture of one book next day, full grid
post of just your hand on a martine on the
next day, full grid post of like one of the
labels of the natural wine we talked about on the
vip lounge that way, right, next day post of like
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in progress shot of a new T shirt that we're launching,
and it's like a corner of photoshop.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
This is our problem. And they actually talk about this.
They talk about how like actually, instead of waiting for
the professional photographer to like launch our new like design
of like kitchen, we just started posting right, And it's
like we're always like, oh, we need to launch the flow.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
We're always in like launch mode.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
We need to launch the fact that we you know,
did this, or we need to launch the T shirt.
It is about like mood board, what about this T shirt?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Like you're right, and this actually brings me back to
something we've discussed on the pod, but post Malone and
Morgan Wallen's new song which is blowing up the spotts.
But like they released a clip of it like two
months ago that people have been listening to and getting
excited about for months, and then the song finally comes
out and I had thought initially like, oh, they're going
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to spend up all of their goodwill for the song,
like too early, but actually it just created a lot
more interest and now people are so primed to listen
to the song because they've been hearing that clip for
two months. Yeah, and so maybe it is about oh
but then you know, then we have that eternal debate
where I'm like, how much more do I want to share?
And how much more do I want to be in
my phone? How much more do want we're committing to
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this lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, I think there's something like, right, how much more
do I want to share? And it's not about like
sharing maybe more of your life, but maybe.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Stretching, stretching out what you're already doing into more like
corners and peaks, Yes, sneak peaks and corners peaks.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
And even though they're always talking about this book about
like and then we crop to the printer out of
the photo that Shay posted. But then okay, here you go,
and I feel like, and now this is the red table.
So they go to Cancun like as like their interior design.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh yeah, this is a harrowing vacation.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I mean, their business is heating up, but it's like
moment more problems. Of course, now they have all these clients,
they don't really know how to manage the team, and
so they go to Cancun and they're like, no, this
is gonna be just like us family, like sexy, time
for you to be gay or whatever. But the phones
don't stop ringing, and it's how big is this chandelier?
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Where should it hang?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
But they have to make content because she has to
do her one post today. So he's doing a photo
show of her at the pool while she.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Mean that is us. I feel like it's like we're
both on a vacation. Then we're just being like, wait,
you guys like need to take a photo of us,
like by this sign.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So no, I know we need to be like iconic,
more couple photos of us.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But then I feel like that's why I was I'm
always like I've used all of them, and then I'm
just like I have nothing to post like and I'm
just like, do I need to find one more fucking TBT?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I mean I don't think we've used all of them.
I think there's an endless n of photos of us
at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But basically in Cancun they realize they come.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Back and they're like, we need to like shift our perspective.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, and that's when they like close down the interior
design business and just get into e commerce pillows and
you're like, Okay, we.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Need to stop taking on new clients and like figure
out our pillow and our couch business. But like slowly
they do.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Oh. Also during the show, they did this where she
goes to her two year old, which this is the
reason to have kids. She goes, Wren show me how
to fluff a pillow, and the girl loves it, and
she goes, now, karate chop, and then the girl does
like the chop in the middle to have, like.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Im the karate chop. I feel like this weird trend
it started. I don't know if it was selling Sunset,
but I started to see it on a lot of
these home design and like all of the like realtors
and whatever inter her designer people love to say the chop.
It's like this like meme. It's become to them that
they're like, oh, it's so interesting, And I'm like, personally,
I think the chop looks weird.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think the chop can work. But each pillow doesn't.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Have getting chopped. Yeah, it's like all the sudden it
looks like it looks like a restaurant or something. I
don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I went to be gianco dot com and I was like,
their pillows are going for like two hundred.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
No, they're settees are like forty three hundred for a
fucking like small couch.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Even though in this book she talks about like her
dream was to have a target line because she loves target,
It's like, well.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
They do have the target line. It's I do think
they do have.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I mean she is the most target person ever, because
like the whole thing about target is like how to
like be a baller on a budget.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
But the actual target shopper is way more like cluttered
than she is. The actual target shopper is so like
bins of laundry everywhere on MESSI bun Target run in Like.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, but I'm trying to like style, like it's like
people who shop at Target, Like it's about like this
kind of fake, more bougie on a budget, Like.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
She's the aspirational target for the Target shopper.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Absolutely, and they're just buying all the bins because they're
buying her bins. But then they're buying like Joanna Gaines
Alto bins. Yeah, and then they have this closet full
of pillows.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I love the lang where she goes. I've always been
a fan of carpet as a backdrop for furniture, which
I do think really speaks to her, like weird neutral
style where she's like all carpets have to be cream
or dusky rose or dusky blue or like a dusky sage,
like a carpet has to be like just so fading
into the background. And she's not doing like an architectural
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digest like funk carpet cover.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Except when they finally did get a message from ad
that changed everything everything.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, So they have this job from this rich couple
and like at first she turns down the job because
she's like it's too big of a project. I can't
do it. She's like too not confident herself as a designer,
has imposter syndrome. Then their business is growing, so she says, yes,
they have this massive estate that they're like, yes, we
want contemporary country and like rustic cheek, but we also
wanted to be modern, basically describing like all of the
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normal stawe she always does. And she was like, I
was so nervous to do modern, and they also want
me to incorporate this one steel ibeam into the design somewhere,
and she's like, I had no idea how I was
gonna incorporate the ibeam to get that industrial look. So
then she finally solves the problem, and her solve is
to make the I beam the mantle of the fireplace
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and just have this like steel facade of the fireplace
in the midst of this like all white room. And
the final result is so fucking boring and like not fabulous.
And then there's just like the antlers above the fireplace
and it's so fucking Denver Hiatt Lobby.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
No, that's the thing. It's like they could even like
be just a little more. When all the housewives and
Beverly Hills go to Aspen and like be like a
tiny bit more lodge.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Well, and the couple was worried that stone would be
too large. It's like, why are we worried about being
too large. Let's just get a little lodgy, just.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Get a tiny bit lodge. But yeah, it was like okay,
we're walking into Hyatt Denver and then they have these
like Ralph Lauren couches and then my least favorite type
of chair in the dining room, which is I like
to call the modern funeral director.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
When it's fabric fabric on a chair.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, a tall fabric chair that like looks like a
funeral person put like just a sheet over it.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
It's like, why is the chair wearing a dress?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Like a bad, ugly ass dress.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
So Ad I wants to shoot this house, this Denver
Hyatt that she did, she's been like.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
A d my favorite magazine ever. And it's like it's.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Like, you don't seem likely inspired by Ady, you seem
inspired by Target.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I think. Also she reads stuff in AD but it's
so just like, oh, that's like not me because I'm
so provo, Like she's seeing a hotel that they're covering,
you know, who knows in Bali.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I mean, I did think it was really relatable. When
she talked on that infamous CanCon tip where they go
to the famous cook cookin ye, I was about to
read this passage.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, work was our life and we'd forgotten how to
do anything outside of it. I couldn't relax, even though
we needed to. When we spent a day and tuloom.
We walked around town, stopping in every fruit stand and
wandering through boutiques. It was on my bucket list to
visit the famous Cookey Cokey Hotel and see their pared
down white plaster walls contrasting against dark stained beams and
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hammocks stripping with fringe. I hope to bring home a
bottle of their eponymous perfume that smelled like the Yucatan,
with top notes of coconut and bitter greens. We found
the hotel and instead of soaking in it, I had
to find something to post on Instagram. Period. How relatable
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is that wanting to see.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
A hotel, but you're so focused on telegraphing how inspired
you are by the hotel to Instagram that you can't
actually enjoy it. Be in the moment We've all experienced
that on vacation.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
But hack for travel if you feel like, oh, you
can't stay at like this really shey hotel, just go
to the hotel bar. Oh yeah, just soak it in
or not go have fruit if you're Mormon, Yeah, and
just walk around and look at the lobby.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
You know, I love to lobby hop when I'm lobby hopping. Also,
I'll say this another hack for vacationing. This may or
might may not actually be good advice, but to not
get sucked into Instagram. I mean, like take photos with
your phone throughout the day to remember the amazing places,
but then just reserve ten minutes at the end of
the day to do your posting and then sort of
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move on so you're not sort of like live streaming
in your whole vacation.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah. No, I agree. But then also it's okay, just
we Devil's advocate for a second. Sometimes when you see
someone do do that, you're like, oh, all of a sudden,
then you see this whole day and you're like, posted
two minutes ago, posted three minutes ago, posted the story,
and you're kind of like, okay, it just seems like
you were waiting for Wi Fi.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
But I mean isn't that cool because you're like, wow,
they're in the place without Wi Fi. They must be
and the.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Live stream throughout the day. But then it's kind of like, okay,
cool now I know you're like laying down on the
hot It.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Is a little bit I can see you laying down
the hotel bat which is problematic for maintaining the kind
of fantasy of vacation. I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Right. Other option, get an old VHS camera like I did,
take a cool docum memory of your vacation.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Send it to your brother who's marketing business you quick,
who runs.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
A digital VHS conversion agency.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And have him put together an eight minute reel.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
So it's like, right, Shay is doing all this being like,
oh I was loving the beams. And then Sid will
be like I knew I had to quit my brother's
digital marketing agency. Our Irish blood runs hot, and one
day I went in there and I told him I quit.
And let's just say he told me they get out
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of there with a few more four letter words.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
It sounds like maybe him and the brother like aren't
friends anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Still aren't speaking. He's like, and we have moved past that,
but like it took a long time.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, it's like when people say they're like, okay, so
you still hate each other.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Absolutely don't talk.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
So a big turning point was when they actually redid
her parents home, and the photos on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We're really really really blew up because her parents moved
from Wait, Utah to from Texas, Texas, Texas.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
It does sound like they moved from Utah to Utah
because it really is like so suburban in this world
where it's like it all looks the same. But of
all the rooms I designed for my parents, their mudroom
is probably the most copied room I've ever designed to
this day. The room itself was an unusual feature in
the home because it was situated between the kitchen and
the garage. It's like that could not be less unusual.
That's exactly where room with doors on both ends, like
(39:28):
a breezeway leading from the front yard to the back.
It's just like this is like the most normal thing
for a mudroom to be doing is to be between
kitchen and garage. To maximize the square footage, Steve and
I made this space the hardest working room in the home.
If it a wash her dryer, a built in bench,
with hooks, storage for cleaning supplies, and a powder bathroom
in one corner. The mudroom was a landing zone to
(39:49):
drop groceries in snowy boots, and a place for grandkids
throwing from the backyard with muddy feet and wet swimsuits
after playing this bokquis. The drop zone is a drop
zone that charm. She's kind of acting like she pioneered it,
and maybe she did to some extent. I don't know.
It's hard to say, like how this concept of the hooks,
because I do feel like every mudroom I'm seeing on
(40:12):
these shows now, it's there's always like bench hooks, cubbies.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's so like kindergarteno no, I know, and it's kind
of and again it's in this muted blue and so
you're kind of like it's your adult cubby. I would
call that room in my house growing up a mudroom.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
When you first walked into the Richdale calendar, yeah yeah,
oh my god, I just got a whift smell.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
I know, it was like this smell.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It was a musty, carpeted cold.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I think it was like.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Stoned the floor and the mudroom of stone.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah yeah, And there were like hooks.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And there were hooks, and were you dropping all of
your little boots and like.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I feel like I was dropping my snowy boots and
my bats.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
We had a mudroom, as I mean, you remember in
my house you walk in from the garage and there's
that fur room right there. There was the nanny hallway
to the left and the dining room to the right,
and it was that first little room and there was
a closet. Yeah, but it was small. It was quite small,
and there wasn't copies, there wasn't a bench. It did
become kind of a chaotic drop zone.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, they are also sit in shade. They redo their
like VP of operations in this episode. And because you know,
we grew up in the days of the middle class
having this stuffy, formal dining room that was never used, yes,
and like every house had that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
And now I feel like when people want it, it's
like they're being quirky and retro to want a dining room, right,
Like it's always like the one girl being like I
just have this dream of having a formal dining room,
even though I know it's like weird for me to
do that, Like I'm actually so quirked the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Right, and now design is all about having like a
modern pine table with a modern built in benches, with
modern storage and cubbies.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So it's like you can't actually even have chairs. It's
just benches and stools. It's the lobbyisfication lobby life.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
She Redes write her VP's like house who just like
is so obsessed with her and fanning out the whole time.
It is like I can't believe I'm talking to Sid
and it's like, well believe it.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
You're like the CMO of the company, and.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
They fully get rid of her formal dining room that's
actually still even being kind of tweet and modern and
make it a butler's pantry.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I mean, I do think storage is essential, but I
do think that just like doing away with any kind
of at least scalable to formality dining room table is
a mistake.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Well, dining room table is so add for Will Spargo
about people looking at.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Bills, yes, and like and it's just Kyles.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, it's a woman like this and the husband.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
With a calculator calculator and they're just look at each
other like, I don't think we can do it.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Before we kind of head to segments. Just one of
the biggest downfalls they deal with is they realize that
one of their where houses stealing.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Stealing their furniture for their own lobby.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
And they're like, we got there and there was like
our set tea couch in the lobby.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Our beautiful McGee and co. Like all of the numbers
weren't adding up, and.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Like they like hues weren't adding up.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Inventory was not matching to what it was supposed to be,
and the couches were missing. And then also there but
they were also sending them like free tickets to the
Utah and she was like, oh, that's why you sent
me all those Utah Jazz tickets because you were stealing cities.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
No, it fucking adds up. Okay, everything comes with the price.
The end of the book gets really shipping and handling
and it's like they move so many warehouses.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah. And also the Netflix thing, which is like why
anyone knows who they are? It's just like gloss over
so quick. And she's like and then Netflix called, let
we had a meeting with them, and I was super
prepared and we got the show and we were ourselves
and it was super authentic and.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
It was awesome, but then it's just like forty pages
being so like we hadn't set up the SKEW system
because actually the warehouse we were using in Greater Provo
had a different system.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
And honestly, that's the worst.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
And then the guys actually built beautiful shelving for our warehouse.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
It's always fucking open shelving with them. And I love
at the beginning when the contractors like, they're like, uh,
you can't really store anything in this fucking open concept shelving,
Like maybe you want to think about some more cabinets
in here, and she's like no, and she's like, I'm
so glad I'm stuck to my gun that it's like, well, okay,
but they're right because all you want to do is
have these quote European style open shelving where you're putting
(44:36):
three bowls and that's it.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
People love the open shelving. And I'll let me tell
you this as a maid, here's the thing about open shelving.
If you don't have a maid dusting your open shelving
every day, those open shelves get pc dirty, and then
the plates get dust too, and then your little Bodega
CB two glasses are getting dusty. How choose your fighter.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Because the cabinet actually prevents desk accumulation, right, So I
mean that's like so true, And people don't think about
her adding way more work. Well, these people probably don't
know what they're made is going through exactly.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
They don't know. They literally don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
So rude fucked up my head.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh and then the other thing is like her having
like a come to Jesus moment when she just like
walks into a store that has like succulents and pillows
in California and she's just like Sid was browsing t
shirts and I've walked into the store and I was
so shook, and it's like, haven't you ever been to
just like a tweet store with plants and napkins?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I think that's what's beautiful about her Mormonism is like
it allows her to be like excited by the most
basic stuff on the planet over and over and over again. Right,
that's what keeps her going.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
She's the indie one for like using succulents in Utah, yes, California,
and discovering a napkin.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Right in a store that has succlance is like mind blowing.
And then She's like, a store needs to create a
sensory experience, and honestly, she's not wrong about that, And
I do think more people need to remember that that
your storefront is not about selling. It's about a sensory
experience for customers that is going to engage them with
the brand and make them remember the brand and want
to go shop for e commerce on your website. Tell
(46:21):
people about your store, tell people about your brand, how
it is a marketing and a sensory opportunity.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
First and foremost, when you go into a store and
it smells amazing, you remember it. When you go into
say an Alison Olivia boutique and they are preparing free
Cosumeigo's margaritas, that's.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
When you're going to tell all your girlfriends about the
Alison Olivia papa.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Or your mother because you're so close. Hey, girlfriend, Alison
Olivia is serving up amazing cosmegos margat is. Get your
butt down here.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Okay. I think my favorite part of the book, though,
is the acknowledgment section. Christine Monson. First of all, all
these names are like so you Carly Grimes, Jamie with
two E's Livingstone, Tawny Walker Walker, Christine with a k
monson your eyes unmatched and we're thankful you know, lead
the team to style our bookshelves. Kelsey Lindley, We've watched
(47:13):
you grow from intern by the Swamp Cooler to design
leader Rock sand Wise. You were right about switching to Shopify.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
That line killed me, girl. You were right about movie
to Shopify.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
And this episode is sponsored by Shopify.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Use code CBC at check out wweet what's that sounds even?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Oh, that's the sound of another Shopify sale.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
That's the sound of us going into seconds.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Make beautiful?
Speaker 2 (47:50):
What does she eat?
Speaker 1 (47:50):
What does she wear? How does she live? Certainly know
how she lives?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
She lives copper mutual couch and like he's sitting on
it and she's being like, don't get too comfortable on
this like linen couch.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, she's like, Oh, he's always sitting on the couch
with his socks off or something.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
And it's just like he has like grown up like
Indie cat power style where he's like skinny salvage. Maybe
they're not even selvage, but like they look sealvage. They're
not the brown boots.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
He has like super normal like Nashville mail style.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, he's like shopping at like what's that store Garden
and Raw Garden and Gun.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
You're talking about that place. There's like one in Dumbo
that's right across from Scotch and Soda and it's called
like Roden Gun or something. Her style is.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Like elevated target, Like she has more cottage core where
she is in like.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
But it's somewhere between like TikTok Milkmaid and like Live
Left Love and like girl Boss because she's not fully
wearing like wide like pantsuits.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
She'll be in like a full like milk made cottage
or prairie dress, but then she'll be in like a
wrapped massive duster with like multiple belts.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
It's like a little more QVC.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I do think she does buy a lot of her
clothes off Instagram.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, she's Instagram brands, and like she's definitely wearing spanks
or whatever the new Instagram like body suit like underneath
her topses.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
And then like probably also a bunch of like Salt
Lake boutiques. She's doing the bookshelves for like Lawless Ladies, Yeah,
lawd Lady, and they're like for.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Their amazing store in downtown SLC.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Because I mean the boutiques are popping off there.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh, the street level retail is incredible and salt like,
And that's what I tell all of my clients.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
It's almost impossible to get in the scene. What if
they eat they're very like fake pancake family, like they're
always eating pancakes on screen.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, socause, well they love to like make meals with
their kids because there shows off their massive island and
then it's like saying that they're a good family and
like he loves cereal because he's a kid at heart.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
That's just sweet tooth and they're like talking about also
like a tweet donut place that they love, and you
can tell it's a tweet donut place because they're like,
we had to stop by Sidecard Donuts, famous for their
butter and salt donuts.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, I mean, I bet those are good. But it's
just like the thing where it's like it is very
donut while wedding, where it's just like he's the man
in his one personality trait that he's allowed to have
is like sweet tooth is donut and that's all he
gets kind of all he gets.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Really, what I do feel like is sad whether or not,
like he's gay or is into her, and they are
weirdly like having sex once a year is like do
you think in their big suv like they're still like
putting on cap power? Oh and is he now like
putting on the Killers? Being like remember the song babe,
and she's just like turn it off.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
I think it's a little more like, yes, you still
put on the killers, be like, oh my god, Like
you are so crazy and chaotic for love this band.
It's never a dull moment with you. Oh my god,
our life is crazyane? How do we hold it all together?
One second you're listening to the Killers, the next you're
having cereal with our daughter and our spotless kitchen.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
I have to go for a meeting, But I love
you so much and I love what we've created together.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
But also kind of rolling her eyes, being like I
can't believe you're this insane listening to Killers.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Or even like putting on the killers.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, Because then I wonder if maybe they're just like,
actually it's time for like really quiet Christian rock.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I don't think they've pivoted Christian rock. She is like
true Crime Pod to me. I feel like she's stopped
listening to music.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
She seems too like doesn't have the attention span to
like sit in her car listen to True Crime pod
for like, I guess she's probably always on like a
forty five minute drive in her HUSUV.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah, and is tuning in to like and she's like,
I don't know, I like this stuff. Don't tell anyone
I'm dark.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
What if it's straight up Bible versus it could be that, Okay,
who are you? In the book?
Speaker 2 (52:11):
I feel like I am working in an office in
one of their like earlier sketchy Salt Lake office rentals, and.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
She's as a maid or like as.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Like working in the dentist office.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I don't know the below, just like who are this
weird warming couple?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yell like freaks?
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I could see myself. There are times, though, when I
do think that she has like a good sense of
scale in her designs and I'm like, oh, or like
the level of the quality of rent and we're like, okay,
like you actually did a great job, like building a
little step there and like turning this like side room
into like a much more like functional and open like
sitting room. That's nice, but I just hate how it's
(52:52):
like so boring and bland. And then like but to compare.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Them to Joanna, Like, I feel like Joanna is just
like this crazy bot at this you know, like, yes,
Johanna loves buying like a Wheel, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Like he's definitely less like Wheel, which than Joanna, which
I appreciate better out.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Like construction, yes, and like knocking down walls and like
totally transforming some nasty old house. And I feel like
she is better at being like okay, basic other girl boss,
like let's kind of create a vibe even if it
is right boring. I feel like you are kind of
shade just because you have got to sign this surgery
(53:31):
and you're being like, wait, take photos of me at.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
The pool, No, for sure? And I empathize identify with
a little bit of her type anus.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
I'm so crazy in type A and.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Some crazy and type and there's never a dull moment
round my insane house. It's always chaos here.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
And I guess I'm I relate to her my chip
on my shoulder by.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Drawing right, and it's time for you to like literally
start your business.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
My business, my shorts business.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
It also made me think of like, how know they
tried other Johns and they always came back to do
because like advising her friends on what pillows to buy,
I always gave her more joy than anything else she
was doing. And it made me think about that in
like cocktails and like.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Right, it's like what if you always loved doing right
drinking king?
Speaker 1 (54:16):
And I'm kind of like maybe that's like I need
to go towards that, and like it is about the bar,
and like Sam asked us on a recent episode of
our podcast on the vip Lounge, like what we would
want to do in like a secret other life, and
I was like, oh, I do want to open a
gin bar? And I will you want to be so hotel?
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Well that too, but I was also like sandwiches, Oh, sandwiches, Yeah,
but then you're really do you want to be Dan
day out? And then I was like, oh, would the
passion be gone? Would the passion begone for Jin if
you were like.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Oh, Like, I know that's the problem with like jobs,
as they make everything suck.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Right, Like you know, it's like, oh, my passion was
talking to my friend Steven and now it's.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Right now it's like, oh my god, kill me before
killing episode of this fucking podcast again.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
So yeah, I know, I know what you mean, yeah,
it's crazy. Okay, well we're on that journey.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
So what do you give this book?
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Oh? I give this book Honestly, I had so much
fun reading this and about their skews. I give it
a four wow, four antlers out of five. I guess
I miss like reading like something tombn quick, tom and quick.
But I also just like loved how it was about
like shipping and handling.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
No, and I appreciated all her like honesty about posting
like that felt real to me in a way that
people don't usually get. I liked that it was topping
out at like two eleven. Yeah, books getting up intil
like two eighty nine three point fifteen, Like they need
to stop that. Most books should be around two hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
I also loved it because it was like Mormon without
being Mormon, so it was just Mormon culture.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
It's yeah. I mean, it would be interesting if they
ever admit it to me. More Mormon ever, but I
guess that makes them more universal accessible.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, that's just kind of like casual, like we're.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
More Yeah, of course you don't talk about being Mormon.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah, more Mormons, of course. We love the killers.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Okay, Well, thanks for listening. Guys, is another fun episode.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, let's be to all what is like the Mormon prayer?
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Praise, Praise our elders, Praise our.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Elders, john sisters, brothers.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
And if you haven't praised your elders is in me
and Lily please go great a review of our podcast on.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Apple Anyway, thanks for listening. As always, you guys lift
me up and bring me closer to God every single day.
And I know you're listening.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
And if you want more of us, you head over
to patrinon Accomplice CBC. The pod. We really try to
give you lots of content and stretch content and over there,
so keep stretching best best.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
This really cool, awesome episode was exactly produced by Christina Everett,
who I went to bring them young with. She was
like a sister to me and we could talk about
everything from salad recipes to shopping the tough stuff like
classes in the finals.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Our producer is the incredible Derby Masters who paved the
way with grace.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
Our superprising producer is a Boo Zafar who is i'll
say it, my husband.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Our original theme song was created by Steam Phillips host Stephen.
Your eye is unmatched and I'm so thankful to have
had you lead the team to where it is. With
all this style and finance and personality that you bring
to the table, you remind me of the hairdresser Patrick.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Our artwork was done by Teddy Blank, who is a
local Provo artist. Many people don't know that there's an
art scene in Provo. There is.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
I'd like to thank our former partners at Prologue Projects.
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