February 20, 2023 • 45 mins
In this very special episode, Chiquis welcomes her sister Jacqie Rivera Campos! The two have an intimate and emotional conversation about their childhood, growing up as best friends and their current relationship. Jacqie also talks about becoming the CEO of Jenni Rivera Enterprises, work/life balance and the health scare that pushed her to look after her mental health.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
My sister, Jackie Rivera compos I'm so grateful for this moment.
I'm glad that we're setting it straight because people need
to know. I was your bestest friend. Now you're CEO
of Jennie Rivera Enterprises. I feel like I was the
right person for the job that I didn't know that
a year ago, sister, So tell us, how do you
(00:23):
do it now? I completely understand why mom always woke
up early. That lady was always up before everyone, and
I'm like, why doesn't she sleep for real? Hello, my
beautiful people, Gonna stands Moivian. Welcome to today's episode of
(00:44):
Chicks and Chill. I'm so, so so happy you're here today.
I'm going to be joined by one of my siblings
to talk about our relationship and how she juggles being
a mom, a wife, and the CEO of Jennie Rivera Enterprises.
I think you're really a joy this episode. So let's
get right into it. This is Chickens and Chill, you guys.
(01:11):
I am so excited to have my sister, Jackie Rivera
compos That's correct, right, sister, Yes, Jackie? Yes? Yes, okay,
perfect because she is married my sister, so we don't
hear from Jackie too often. So this is a very
rare and amazing opportunity. So Jackie, welcome to Chickens and
chill sister. Thank you, sister, Thank you big. I'm so
(01:32):
happy to be here. Of course, I love you. I'm
so happy we were able to make it happen. And
you guys, Jackie doesn't spell her name like regular Jackie's
like j A c k i E. She spells it
j A c q i E. Just so that you're
only different. My sister is thank you, sister, thank you
for putting some respect on my name. I know sometimes
(01:53):
I she was here at my house the other day
and I have a pet peeve when people leave their
water bottles like half empty or half fool. So I
put her name, I put Jack's and she's like, this
is not how you spell my name. She was very upset.
So I said, oh, ship, let me just say that
on on the podcast where people are aware. You're like
mom when they used to put a Y instead of
a Yeah. She hated it. Yeah, I think it's perfect.
(02:18):
It's very you, very cute. Jackie has always been different. Okay,
So I'm the eldest and Jackie and I are about
four years apart. Uh four years, right, yeah, four years
four years And I think and correct me if I'm wrong, sister.
But since I was the oldest and I was I
think so scared of mom, like I wanted her approval,
(02:40):
you were kind of more like the rebel. You're like,
I don't want to be like like I always wanted
to kind of do things right and make mom happy
and kind of like a little soldier. And you were like,
I don't give a damn. Uh huh, I don't give damn.
She would go to school and wear her Andy's on
top of her pants and were two two's and and
I was so piste. Why pissed out? What? Because I
(03:00):
wanted to be different? Or maybe it's like I wanted
to be seen. I don't know, yeah see, And I
think that this is something that this is actually a
great conversation. I wasn't even planning on having this, but
it might be like a because I think it caused
some friction because I don't want to say tension, but
maybe friction in our relationship. Because I was the eldest,
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my mom expected a lot for me, and I think
my mom gave me a lot of attention, not because
she loved me more, but because I had so many responsibilities.
So I think you always felt like, hello, ex see,
still I'm here, like you know what I mean? Like you,
I think we're more rebellious. I wanted to be rebellious,
and I was rebellious, but very secretly like a lot
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of things that were in Yeah, I would do things
that Mom she never even knew about, but like you
were all about it, like loud and like I am
who I am not knowing that like Mom appreciated that.
Mom was like she's like me, she doesn't give a ship,
Like she's gonna do whatever she want. She's going to
make it in life because she's she's a rebel. She
would tell me that. And I was always more like
(04:06):
a little bit more like I don't know now I'm different,
But I think I think you were that way because
we needed some stability. Like I remember you getting us
ready for school, You're getting me ready for picture days,
you know, just making sure everything was good, making sure
everyone did their homework, so that you had to be
the stability. Not that Mom wasn't stable, but she was working.
(04:28):
So then for me, I think it kind of made
me feel like I have like I don't know what
I have to offer, because that that position was already taken,
like the fact that mom could lean on you can
count on you, you know, you were the stable one.
So I guess I was kind of like, well, I'm
gonna be the crazy one or the wild one or
do whatever, you know, and and yeah, and it's it's
(04:48):
crazy now that like we're talking about it, like and
I want to kind of set the you know, the
record straight, because I think on social media people have
tried to cause this division between yes, this is yeah,
I know, and it's it's we've talked about and sometimes
I have fallen into like, you know, like reading certain
things this is before because I haven't like maybe like
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two years ago, three years ago, where I would be
like and it would cause like that distance between us
until I got smart and I'm like, I just need
to talk to my sister and ask her straight up,
like you know, and we learned. But it's also because
we were so we exposed our life and especially with
the reality show, and we shared things that people probably
didn't have to know, but because we want to change
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the world, shared intimate moments that we had that things
that happened, and I think every family, every sister, like
sisters go through this. It just happened to put it
out there on cameras, so people kind of started choosing sides,
and I'm like, dude, it's not about that. It's not
about having sides and trying to put us against each other.
You know, I'm so grateful for this moment because it
(05:54):
is frustrating, like people come and comment or you know,
like there's people that have like TikTok's of them reading
your book, like they're making it like audio version. So
then I get tagged on the parts where there's about me,
and I'm like, dude, they're so past this, you know,
we're so past like the little moments that we've had,
which is like and I'm glad for our communication because
some people don't talk forever. But I'm like, no, we're
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gonna we're fighting for our relationship and we're not there anymore.
And I'm just you know, I'm grateful for that. But
it does come up a few times I'm like, whatever,
I used to like want to clarify, but I'm like, dude,
I don't even know these people, Like I'm never gonna
see this person ever in my whole life. But I
think naturally because of we're human, like the little they're
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still can be a hundred positive comments and then that
one negative one that's against you or trying to cause division,
kind of like the one that sticks. So I've had
to learn to change that within myself, like it doesn't matter,
like not everyone's gonna be your number one fan, so
I have to be open to that. But I am.
I'm glad that we're setting it straight because people need
to know. I was your bestest friend. So my very
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first best friend, my very first best friend, my best
is friend, and we have been very close and we
are very close. Like I talked to my sister almost
every other day every day, like thank God my siblings
and are very very close. And I wanted to apologize
to you, sister, because you were okay with it. When
I wrote Forgiveness, the very first book, I was like, sister,
I'm going to talk about this because that's part of
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my journey. But I wasn't doing it to make anybody
look back like it was because I needed to heal
and I needed to also hopefully help people. So hopefully
if you guys haven't read the book and you're going
to read it or any of my books that you understand,
you guys, that it's a way of just this outgand
limit and expressing something that happened. But my sister, my siblings,
and I think are better than ever and I wanted
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to just put that out there. And I'm not ever
going to be okay with anyone attacking any of my siblings,
any of them. So when I see certain things and
it pisces me off and I'm like, I just want
to go and tell everyone, Like but I'm like, you
know what, it's okay. We know we're fine, but I
didn't want to be And now we got that out
of the way. Now we can talk about the mother.
(08:06):
Because Jackie became a mom at you were wet twenty sister, Yeah,
three days before it turned twenty, and she told me
to cry. Oh, I remember that day when you took
a pregnancy testing, Like, how am I going to tell Mom?
How am I going to tell Mom? I was like,
because I know the soft spot Mom had for you,
where she was like she saw so much of herself
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and you that I knew you were so scared to
tell her. And I remember took a pregnancy test together. Remember, yeah,
I don't know if it was Sevas or Walgreens, I
don't know what, but we took we I'm like, just
take one with me, and you're like, okay, fine, we
take it together. And then we take it well and
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you're like, oh my god, my looks different from yours.
And I'm like, oh ship, she's pregnant. But but thank
god because it changed my mother's weakn world. You guys,
I remember your mom was taking a nap in her
room and she's like, how am I going to tell mom?
And I'm like, I don't know. You just gotta freaking
tell her. It's okay, You're gonna be fine. Remember I
pushed her. I literally pushed her into the room. I
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said okay here, and she's like, stayed quet with her
little face. We're just there. She was kind of trying
to she was to say what's going on? I said,
Jackie has something to tell you. She's like me, how
what what's going on? I'm pregnant and she said I remember,
And we were all crying and Mom was like, oh me,
how come he or that's all so she just think
(09:32):
it's okay, we'll figure it out and Let's be honest.
If it would have been me pregnant, my mom would
have been very pissed. But with Jackie, it's just I
think it happened all the way it was supposed to
happen the way like Jay look came into it, came
into our lives and changed our lives completely. And now
Jackie has four kids. Um, so there's Jay lothers, Genevieve, Jordan,
(09:54):
and Julian Um. And now she's she's a wife. She
still yes, you're a wiving, You're a good sister. Should
be proud of yourself, you know, well if you were
really emotional, because I think like right now that you said,
you know, when I turned nineteen or whatever, I got pregnant,
Like that's the moment like everything changed. Like I remember,
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we were always together. We were always like, you know,
doing everything together, getting our nails together, all these crazy things,
and that's what shifted. Like that's where like I stopped
being your baby and then became a mom. And I'm like, dude,
it's just crazy because I remember we used to tell
each other we're never gonna get married, and we're gonna
grow old together and we're going to live in the
(10:37):
same house, and now I went in this sister, I know,
I remember we honestly, I did everything with you, and
we would go. I had my little probe, the black one,
to the club. They'll take care of the clubs, you guys.
I snuck out one day in this little bitch. She's like,
I'm gonna tell them if you don't take me with you.
And I was like, oh my god, in the middle
of the night to go to the races, you guys,
so here here I am taking out. Was fourteen, taking
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my ten year old sister, sneaking her out of the
window to go with me to the damn races at
two o'clock in the morning. Well, my mom was asleep.
She remember I was wearing overalls. I addressed your friend. Oh,
they called him wreck. He was like a freaking I
don't know, like a breaker, a breakdancer. So um. Anyway,
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so we did. We did do everything together. We would
like drive and lay under the trees together and listen
to music and we would have our window put down moments.
If the song was good, like it's a window put down,
let's put the window down, you would sing. But then yeah,
then things shifted and you became a mom and you
went through your things. Now you're CEO of January very crisis,
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and I can't be more proud you, guys, because earlier
when Jackie said, you said something that stuck out to
me when you're like, how can I be of assistance
to Mom? And I think you felt for a long
time like I'm a little bit of an outsider or
because Mom and I were so close and we did
everything together, we built the empire that you felt like, well,
what am I like? You know what I mean? Now?
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And it's crazy because I feel like like I'm doing something.
I feel like I did my part with Mom, and
now you're doing I don't know. You're so good at this.
You're so fucking good, Like I see the growth. There's
times you, guys, when I'm like, sister, what's going on
with this? Do I have to? Like I get upset
and She's like, don't worry. They're gonna fucking be sorry.
(12:33):
They messed with us. This is Jackie. She's grown so much,
like from this shy girl to this whole last woman
and CEO And I'm so I can't say it, and
I'm so freaking proud of you, Jacqueline, Like thanks. It's crazy.
So tell us about that. How has that been for you? Well,
it's it's definitely been a learning curve. I remember, um,
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when do we we have the discussion of me making
the vision to like take the step and like, okay,
I wasn't sure if I could do it. To be honest,
I was like, I don't know if I can do this.
I don't know. I guess because I've always been the
type to like second guest myself. I think I do
a pretty good front of like you know, up front,
like oh I got this, But I feel like I've
always been like I don't know if I'm smart enough.
(13:18):
I don't know if I'm brave enough. I don't I
don't know too much of this business because I've never
liked the music business. I feel like it's just a mess. Um.
But I remember like we had a conversation all the
siblings and everyone's like you can do it. I'm like, okay,
if they think I can do this, and maybe I
can do this. And then and then the beginning of
last year was just insane because there was like a
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lot of crying going on. There was a lot of
like it's just really really scary stepping into places with
business people and and just people who seem like they
have it all together, and I felt like such a
little person. But fast forwarding to the end of you know,
last year, and now I feel like I feel like
I can sit in a place like that and know
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who I am and have my head held high and
just being the authority. Like maybe I don't have all
the you know, I don't know all the terms or
I don't know everything, but I know who I am
as Jenny's daughter, and I know that I can take
these decisions and take it back to you guys, and
and you know, like I just feel good, you know,
I don't know, I feel like I've found my voice.
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And even in that, like I feel like you've had
that moment with Mom in the beginning, Like I feel
like you couldn't be who you are now if you weren't,
you know, the second Mom, if you weren't the one
making the decisions and for us, you know, like you
just gained that voice and not even more after everything
you've gone through. So I feel like I've had that
moment as well. Obviously Mom's not here to walk me
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through it, but I feel like I've had the moment
where like, no, you hold your head up, pie, you
have a voice, you have authority, you are smart, you know.
So I don't know. I just I'm sure if I
feel good. You are the daughter of of a queen,
of a woman that showed us so much, that showed
me so much that now I could you know, we've
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taught you guys, And I just I don't know. It's
crazy because it's like you you're four years younger than me,
but I I feel so freaking proud, like if it
was mom, Like I I'm like, dude, this is crazy.
How how things work out. And one thing I did
want to also say, because I have heard like a
lot of people and even family members have said that
they think that I was the one that that made
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you step into this and and cause Johnny to do
the yeah, to do the yeah, to ask for the
accounting and stuff. And it was like, dude, if you
guys only knew that's that's not the case. Jackie was like, Okay,
well things can be different. There are things that we're
not happy with, and she's like maybe it's my time,
and we pushed her to it. We're like, yes, if
you feel like yeah, because she was always second after
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after the previous um trustee. She was always second, like
on the will and on the trust and everything. So
it was just a matter of Jackie being ready and
she went in and she was honest and was like,
I I don't know. I'm like, well, we're gonna help you.
We're gonna put the right people. And you've done such
a good job. And what I love about you and
meetings that we've been at and I've been there to
see is you ask questions like you're not afraid, and
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that's something Mom taught me, and I think that this
is an important lesson for people. Like if you sit
in a room and there's something you don't understand, you're like,
I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means. Can
you explain it to me? Like, I've seen you say that,
and that's shows so much. There's so much strength and
beauty in vulnerability. And I've seen you like, hey, I
don't know what that means. Can you explain it? And
that's beautiful Jack's because that's you learning and I've and
(16:33):
I've am I dude, I'm like, we have meetings. You
guys were like on a group chat or like on
conversations and my sister's like talking all this like all
this language, and I'm like, oh my god, I didn't
even know that you know what I mean. So I'm
learning from you. So it's it's good. And do you
feel completely different from it's been a year. It's been
a year since you've been in this position. You're completely like,
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how do you feel now? Like a year later, I feel, Um,
I feel like I've the right person for the job. Um.
And I didn't know that a year ago. I I
remember I brought it up and I was so nervous
to bring it up, to step into that place. Um,
but I did it, like because I was just like, dude,
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like for years I knew that, Okay, you're the next
person up. But I was like when I heard the
previous trustee always you know, complaining, candle say like, I
just don't you know, I could have always stepped up,
but I didn't feel that urge. But the previous like
not last year, but the year before it was just crazy.
We know how crazy that was. And I was like
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someone used to step in and I felt it, you know,
like I felt like I have to do this, and
and having your guys back up obviously really really helped
me believe in myself. And now a year later, I'm like,
I know, it's not like I believe because believe. It's
like I don't know it yet, but I believe I
could do it. Now. I know now, I know, like
this is where this is good. I can do this,
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And I feel like I'm I'm the right person for
the job because it's not like I don't want to
say too much because it doesn't matter with the previous people.
But I feel like I have a great relationship with
my siblings and it's it's like I'm just the one spearheading,
but it's all of us together. It's not like I
can't I don't have a good relationship and I have
to figure it out on my own, you know. I
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just I don't know. I just I feel you don't
have like what I love is like you're not on
a power trip. You're not like not like an ego
thing for you. Like I want to handle it with grace.
And I'm not just saying it because she's my sister,
you guys, But she's always praying, she doesn't make impulsive decisions.
She's like always just okay, wait, let me see what
my siblings think, and we we talk literally saying the
table and we talk it through and sometimes if we're outnumbered,
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we're out numbered and we go with whoever, like whoever decided.
Like we respect each other that much. And I always
tell my siblings, whether I'm the oldest or not, it's like,
respect your sister's position. Respect your sister. I understand you
need to talk to her because she's it's a difficult
thing you're a sibling. But I also tell you you
are also a CEO, so you have to learn to
balanced that and not let emotions because I think that's
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what happened previously with the previous administration is too many
emotions were involved and it's like, wait, what's going to
be best for the artist that you're represented? And that's hard,
but I think you've you've done it very well. And
because we have so much respect for each other as
as a whole, that we're all like, okay, Jackie is
the leader and we got to respect that. And I
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think that that's important. You guys, thank your sister. I
really want to thank you for that because that's really
empowered me. You know, you've always you know, you're the
big sister, like you're the big sister. But when you've
taken a decision to be like no, like you know,
you've said, what does Jackie thinker, what does Jackie sayer? No,
you have to tell Jackie Like, those moments have really
empowered me. And I want to say thank you for that,
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because for me, I think I've naturally like shrunk for
whatever things in my life have happened. I'm naturally just
shrunk and made myself smaller. But when you make those
you make it very clear that it's my position. Those
you I mean unconsciously or you know, but it has
empowered me. So I just want to say thank you
for that. You're so welcome, sister, and I promise you
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I mean it, And I don't know how you do it.
And that's why I'm like, I don't know would it
even be, Like I don't even want to imagine, especially
like right now, if I were in your position and
I have no kids, like you are a full last
mother of four and you're a wife, and you have
your own business VI Colores and you guys check that out.
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We'll give them all that information afterwards. But she has
her own business of T shirts that Colores and she
also runs Jenny River Enterprises, and I feel like I'm busy,
but I'm like, shit, how does my sister do it?
There's times when she's texting me at five in the
morning and I'm now starting to get up like that
again now, but like, I'm like, dude, how the She's like, well,
I have to work out before I go to work
and have to take the kids to school. And I'm
just like, She'll send us videos at seven in the
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morning with all the kids and they're going to school,
and I'm just like, how, Like, how have you managed
to juggle everything, sister? Like being in such a strong
position having a husband to understand that that's another thing,
you know that I'm like, and I see Mike, her husband,
you guys, she's I see the difference in him where
he's because he lets you be Jackie and he lets
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you shine, And that takes a lot of balls in
a man to say, I'm here, I'm gonna take care
of my kids. I'm gonna let my wife do her thing,
you know. And she also sings, oh my god, you guys, sister,
so tell us, how do you do it? Like, honestly,
I think it's a it's an accumulation of all those things,
you know. Um, And now I completely understand why Mom
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always woke up early like that. Lady was always up
before everyone, and I'm like, why doesn't she sleep? And
now I understand, Like I just it's the waking up early.
It's honestly having Mike. He's completely different man, and he
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knows that whatever it is that he has that can
help me, like just be be my person. He takes
that so seriously and he does it with so much
love that I can have the peace of mind that
you know, my kids are being taken care of. Sometimes
when I have late, late days, he he handles it. Um.
So it's just it's that and and really just waking
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up early. And more than anything, I was very afraid. Um.
I didn't want to sacrifice my relationship with my kids.
I know each all of us had felt that when
we were growing up, and that's always been like, um,
in the back of my head, even with the colts
or when I made the decision to really focus on
my music, I was like, I want to do this.
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It's my passion, it's what I love, but not at
the expense of my relationship. With my children. So I've
always said after six pm, there's no work. I'm not
I'm not working, and and it's been really hard because
there's always something that's a pressing issue, the decision that
needs to be made now. But I've always told myself
it doesn't need to be made now. You want it
to be now, but it doesn't have to be. So
I could wait until tomorrow when it's work hours because
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I need to help. I want to be there and
help Jay the study for school. Um, which I want
you to know that she got honor roll again my princess. Yes,
I am a proud of mother, but it's she's not
God daughter. Yes. So it's it's me making the conscious
decision to like after six I'm not gonna swear any
(23:23):
phone calls for many lawyers or anything like that, or
or on the weekends, like I have that time with
them and it's the family time. Um. But it's just
reminding myself. So scheduling, so you wake up to have
me out, which is it's your time, okay, because I
was going to ask you that, like because I've noted,
I'm like, okay, there there. You have to have a schedule,
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like it's it's a routine, you know, to say, Okay,
this is what's going to make me Jackie happy, and
then have a make time for my kids. And I
think it's super awesome. She was telling me the other
day we were eating or something, and she's like, yeah,
we have She puts all of the kids phone, all
of their phones at it like charging center where no
one can grab it, right or something like that can explain,
which I think is super cool. Yeah. So so for
(24:07):
for me, Jayla just got her phone, so I wanted
to hold it off as much as I could. But
now in the age that we're living and she needs
a phone. She's thirteen, which is not that bad because
I think that's the age I had mine. Um, but
I don't want her to be addicted to the screen.
And it's also helping me not be aded to my screen.
So we all charge our tablets our phones in the
same section. It doesn't it's not even with me at nighttime,
(24:28):
it's not even with her at nighttime. Everybody charges it
in the same section and we get to focus on
us time. So everyone is off their phone by eight
and everybody knows so and wow, I think that's awesome.
I think everyone should practice that. I need to do that,
like I really do. I've been wanting to put my
phone in my bathroom like away from me for so long,
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so that I'm attempted to, like, you know, like when
I'm I need to go to bed, you know, and
I start thinking. And then it also helps because the
alarm is set up at a certain time, so I
have to get up and just arm it, so I'm
already out of bed, and then we have to go
to the gym there also, that's good, okay, And do
you do you and Mike have like date nights? Uh?
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We we try to our best. Mikey actually did offer
to take care of the kids so that me and
Mike can have a day time and we took my
Varne that yeah, Mike care brother. But yeah, for sure,
I think that's good. I think that you are definitely
in a in a much better place within your relationship.
And I would just want to give us a round
of applause to Mike. Hopefully here's my podcast. But I
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think that it's super awesome, you know, like that you
freaking Mike, if you're hearing, hopefully you do. Thank you
for loving my sister. And I see the change, and
I love it and I'm just happy and I can't
wait to go to the like you know, if you
guys get married again. But we are, we are, We're
going to renew our vowels and honestly, like, I'm so
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happy where we're at. So thank you for acknowledging that, Sister,
My husband easy. But it's like how you said, like
everything had to happen the way it did, and even
us not being together for that long changed him, changed me.
Now we came back together and separated. You were separated
for three years, three years for three years, you know what.
Maybe now I had got an idea you guys should
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come on together as a couple and talk about that
if you guys wouldn't mind like having an episode of relationships,
and I think we can all learn from it, you know,
because yeah, a lot of people don't come back from
what you guys went through. You know, like literally, you
guys were separated for a while and it really did
strengthen your love. And I see it. I see he's
completely different. You're different. Like it's just you guys are
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in a great place and and I'm happy for you,
which is continues to grow. But but yeah, I mean,
and we just had a sister a spat sister day
you guys. That was a few weeks ago. Yeah, that
was awesome and I was happy that you, like you
took the time off. So it's like you're really being
intentional about I'm gonna work, but I'm also going to
have me days like me You're you days. I've always
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told you that is when you became a mom for
the first time. Actually, with Genevieve, Jayla, even Jordan's, I
would have to remind to, like, sister, get your nails done,
like you need to like have time for you. And
I see that you do. Like your nails look great,
your hair looks great. You're taking care of Jackie too.
That's good. Thank you, sister. Yeah, until all the mommies
out there, I admire you all because I remember I
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remember you would always tell me, like it's important take
care of yourself. Yeah, since I since they were little,
my sister's no, I was the one that makes sure
you shave, make sure you know your skincare, and put
your blog, put on yourself there everything. Yes, so I'm
still that person. So um anyways, sister, actually, yes, I
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do want you to plug in the colors, tell us
where they can find it, where they can shop, because
that's important, that's your business. Thank you so much, sister.
So right now we are strictly online at the gold
Threads dot com, but we're working on having it at
Jennior Very Fashion in the brim all along with Cheekies
and stuff check is um Merch and you know the
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be Flawless and then Jessica stuff. So we're trying to
get all that so they can have a physical location. Yeah,
I'm excited for that. I know that for all of
us last year, at the beginning of last year, when
all this huge transition started and happened, we all were
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going through stuff, and I know you had this huge
anxiety attack to like felt I think it was distress
maybe or what do you think, like because you went
to the hospital like you were so stressed out right, Yeah,
so it was it was a panic attack. Um. I
didn't know that I struggled with anxiety, but apparently I do.
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Janica had said that being forgetful it's like anxiousness. Um.
I had struggled with a lot one Mike and I
were not together, but with this change, I think I
put a lot of pressure on myself, and I wasn't sleeping.
There was a lot of like decisions needed to be made,
and I just wasn't sleeping. I wasn't, really, like you said,
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the importance of taking care of ourselves. I wasn't doing
the things I usually do as I like making sure
I'm drinking of water. Sleeping is so important, and um,
I don't know what happened. I remember I felt like
I was like bleeding from the inside. So this was
all mental though it's it's a mental thing. And and
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I was like, I'm dying. I'm dying, and poor my
kids were there and everyone was freaking out, and Mike
was like, I remember the look on his face. I
was like, we have to go to the hospital. I
think I'm dying. And I literally felt like all the
blood and my body was coming out of me. There's
nothing physical that could prove there was there. You could
look at me, and I looked fine, but I felt
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it like the sensation of my fingers were getting tinglie
and my toes were getting tingly, and I was getting dizzy.
And I remember Mike rushing to the hospital and and
Isabelle came to watch the kids and and and Mike
couldn't get in because they wouldn't let him into the hospital. Yeah. Um,
but I went into the hospital and they did they
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took my blood and everything was normal. Everything was fine.
I'm healthy physically. But I was there like she hasn't slept,
she's she's dying, de hydrated. She had a panic attack.
I thought that I was dying, literally like it was.
It was very very scary, very like I can't I
I really thought I was dying. Like and I remember
I was calling you. I remember I left you a
(30:39):
voice message. Yeah, that was I was trying to call
you guys to say bye to you guys because I
thought I was dying. Good. It was. It was insane.
And then I remember I was they put me in
a wheelchair and I was looking at the lights and
and I felt like if I fell asleep, I said,
So I was fighting to stay awake so that I
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wouldn't die. But really my body wanted me to sleep,
wanted me to rest. It was really crazy. It was
very scary. But and how's how's your mental your mental
health now? How do you are you feeling better? Do
you have your feel better since that time? Mike really
like he's like, okay, like you need to sleep, like
because sometimes he'd let me just stay up and and
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I think that was when there was a switch, like
he kind of like really stepped in like okay, babe,
like like let's all go to sleep, let's rest, make
sure you're eating, make sure, I think because I was
so busy on making sure that, like I was, you know,
taking care of everything. I had to take care of me.
And though it was just I don't know, like it
was a weird I don't know if without saying too
much about what's happening in the business, like I think
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it was just a really stressful time and I was
so consumed by that. And and now you know, it's
the little changes where Mike's like we have conversations about
what's going on, so that I convent because I felt
like I had to take all the load to not
stress you know, you guys out or or him out,
and even just the pressure of like I need to
make sure that I do it right I I And
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now now I know that I don't. I don't have
to put that much pressure on me because I have
your guys, like I know it, Like I think before
I had this misconception of like I have to show
that I'm there really working, you know, I don't know.
It's just myself, not that anyone made me feel that way,
and I get that. So now it's it's the little
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things like not having my phone with me and not
staying up too late, and it's all those little things.
I feel better. There's moments where I obviously there's decisions
that need to be made and just situations that happened.
But I'm like, I'm not I'm just gonna pray and
give it to God, like me staying up, it's going
to change the situation. Yeah. Do you feel like that
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was your wake up call, like where you're like, Okay,
I need to make changes. Okay, Yeah yeah, and I didn't.
Thank goodness that Mike is there to like support you
and tell you, hey, um it's time to go to bed.
I think, yeah, it's all about that. It's balancing your life.
Maybe you were just so far the other way that
it's just finding that balance. That's one thing that is
so important for your mental health, for your physical health.
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So so I'm like, of course scared that that happened,
and I'm like, oh my god, it freaks me out.
But in a way, I'm like, Okay, that's God saying,
hey Jack, sit down for a little bit, you know,
and are you still doing therapy or like you're not right? Yeah? Yeah, okay, good, Yeah, Yes,
we have therapist. Guys. It's my sister and I. She's awesome.
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She's so awesome, and she ends every session with the prayer.
So it just makes me feel good. So you guys
were huge advocates for therapy. You guys know, almost in
every episode of Chick, I'm always therapy, therapy, therapy, like
it's just talking and then putting it out. It's so important,
you guys. So that's crazy, and I love that. I
love that you're sharing that because I feel like in
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our generation. I feel like this generation, I don't know
if we're millennials or whatever, but we're very much like
take care of those issues, those internalized was the things
that aren't seen. I feel like the previous generation. I
remember Mom didn't believe in like depression and like she
didn't believe it getting sad like get up and she
didn't and obviously like maybe that's what she needed to succeed.
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But I like to cry. I get it all out
like it's important. So I'm grateful and I feel like
that's I remember, like even like Mom did not believe
in organic Mom, I'm just like you know you were
very much like you were the pivotal moment of like, no,
this is important, and you know, I love it because
now I'm healthy emotionally and all the areas. Yeah, because
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Mom was just like, let's just get ship done. Depressions
in your mind and she didn't really get it, and
I understand. It's like now it's like you said, we're
about self help and self love and self growth and
really like trying to get this internal part in. Yeah.
So I'm very proud of you. I am that I mean,
and you actually my sister Jackie introduced me to my therapist.
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You guys, so this I mean, I had many therapists,
but this last one, the one that I'm working with now.
She gave me for my birthday? Was it right? You
gave me a book? Um, she gave me a book
which is took me way back to my tow when
we lived in Compton. What is a Chicken Soup for
the Soup for the for the soul? And five sessions
to this therapist tanyes So and I'm so grateful. She's
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so awesome. I love her so much because I'm glad.
I've been telling sometimes like Tanya and talk to you.
Can you take me today? She's like okay, yes, five PM.
I'm like, okay, perfect, thank you. So um not only
like I said you guys, is my sister, a mother,
a wife for CEO she has, She's an entrepreneur. She
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also is a singer, a very talented singer, beautiful singer.
I have been her fans since the first time I
heard her sing and also at church. She has the
voice of an angel. Um. So, what's going on with
their music? Well, I am working on my album. Um up,
(36:01):
I'm working on it. I I'm balancing everything I'm doing
with my album. And that's more of a gift to
myself because I kind of for some reason, I was
wrote off singing like I'm like, I'm not gonna do this.
I love it, but I'm not gonna do it. I'm
afraid of the business. But I think now, like I
made my two or three years ago, I just said,
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don't know, I need to do this album and just
do it for myself, like show myself that I could
do it, and then you know, life through curveballs and
then positions shifted and changed. But I'm like, no, I
can't let that slip away. So we're almost done. I
don't have like a date or anything yet, but um,
I am working. Oh my god, I'm so excited. I
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have to tell you, guys, I didn't know she was
working on an actual album, but actually did show me
like a song. We had a sibling meeting a few
weeks ago and she showed me a song, you guys,
and I was like floored. I was like, what it.
You've always been an amazing finger at jack, but this
is another level and this song is so wow, one
(37:03):
of my favorite songs. I don't know, I just cannot.
I can't wait for you guys to hear it. So
I'm so happy they're working on this album. You know me, sister,
we're going to have to have an album release party,
you know. Oh my gosh, oh my god. Can you
give us a little hint as to what kind of music.
Maybe it's bilingual and it's like alternative, like rock. It's
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so fucking awesome. You guys are counting for you to
hear it, and people are always asking sister for a
cheek ease and Jackie song. And I know, dude, yeah,
I haven't every all the time, so we need to
do it O say yeah, I mean the moment you
got and I have a song in mind. I'll share
that with you later because it has a bit surprise.
But Jackie and I have a little surprise coming. We
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can't tell you how or what, but it's coming. It's
already done. Um so, but we do need to do
you something, you and I something like super different it
so I would love that. And I just want to
say thank you for believing in me, sister. Why am
I still emotional? Yes, I promise. Um. I just want
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to say thank you for believing in me. I know
that it hasn't been easy because people are so cruel
and negative and have tried to put us against each other,
especially on the music side. Um. And I always tell
people like my sister has something else, like you have
this grace and charisma and the stage presence and your
voice has grown. But I just want to say thank
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you for supporting me and even like inviting me to
be part of the concert in Nanaheim, like that did
something in me of like I actually do like I
love this, you know, so just it's every little thing.
So I just I just want to say thank you,
and I really appreciate you being the best big sister
and just backing me and supporting me even when people
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try to stupid. Yes, people can be a holes. But
you know, I've learned, and it's taken me a while
because for a long time I did feel like, oh
my gosh, my sister has a better voice than me,
and maybe this is what I'm supposed to do. We
just have different voices. That's what I've learned. We have
different voices, and I've learned to embrace my voice. And
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my voice is different, and I have my own light
to shine and she has her own light to shine.
And it's not about competing or being better than each
other or one another or it's about just embracing each
other's talent, like knowing that I have something special and
so does she, and so does my mom and so
does everyone else. And people need to stop comparing and
(39:38):
putting people against each other. That's just so not cool.
Like people are like Okay, Beyonce, Arihanna or Drake and
like it's it's like, dude, it's always always Michael Jackson
her prints like dude got again, Like I everyone has
their own thing, like just stop with that. Like, and
I'm not going to allow anyone's comment or anything to
come between us. I embrace you completely as my baby sister,
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as an artist, like I admire you, and I admire
so many other women. Why wouldn't I admire my own sister?
You know what I mean? I think, do you remember
anything embarrassing, sister about like our child said, anything that
you want to share, like something, I mean, besides the
time that you were I was running around naked that
(40:22):
we shared on Santa's podcast. But I'm trying to think what, Oh, sister, Yes,
I don't know if we said the story before. Come
on tell them that. Yes, I don't even remember that
but her poop, yes, guys, Okay, so fine, I'll tell
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the story. Go friends. Okay. So we lived in Compton
and it was our house on Keene Street and Compton
and um my mom and dad had just gotten back
together and anyways, so our water wasn't working. My I
don't know if mom forgot to pay the water bill
or what happened, but the water was not working. So
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I woke up and I pooped. I was like five
or something like that. Mom told, yeah, my mom told
me not to poop, but hey, I'm five years old.
I had a poop. So I got up and secretly
went to the bathroom. And I remember seeing my mom
and my dad on the couch and I was like,
I'm just gonna walk real slowly, took little poop. I
went back to my room and there goes little She's
most jack Jackie. There goes Jackie and goes after what
(41:26):
did my sister go do? I went to the toilet
and grabbed my little poop and it, Oh my god.
She literally was like I remember. I was like, oh
my god, Jackie is sid in her in her bed
and I was like, went to go. Look, you were
in the toilet, on the toilet like literally had the
settle thing. Sorry, that's such ad the poop in her hand,
and she was like biting on it like it was
a Snickers. You guys, I just got girls stout disgusting
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And then as a mom, like I put myself in
that position and like with no water to clean me,
there was no am like I'm sorry I had ap
in there. Oh, but you weren't taking you a care
of your sister. And I'm like, oh my gosh. But anyways,
that's a little story you guys. I swear I know
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Mom was pissed. Oh my god. Sorry. Johnny's here too.
He's he's He's the one that reminded me of the
poop story. Um, but you want to know something funny.
So Jeneteve has bangs. My my second daughter has bangs,
and I made me think of you, and they were
like just all up in her face. They've they've grown out.
So I was like, I'm just gonna try to cut them, bro,
(42:35):
And it made me think, like her brains are now
above her eyebrows and her twick and it made me
think of the time that you did that. I mean
to you, it's because you're the secret is if you're
gonna cut bangs, you guys, don't do it when the
hair is wet. I was terrible, Yeah, because once they so,
they're like twickles. I'll send you a picture. They're like
my messed up. One side is higher than the other.
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And I remember when you did that. I'm just like, okay, well,
I mean whatever. But she's so kind, she's so sweet.
She's like it's okay, mom me like, you can tell
she's unhappy, but she like, it's okay, Mommy. They're going
to grow out. Oh she's so sweet, My Jenny. We
can just straighten them, just pin them back. That's what
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I did with you. I just could pick them back
for a long time. But you, guys, I hope you
really enjoyed this episode. I definitely did, sister. Thank you
for your time. Um. I love this conversation with so
healing from my heart and hopefully people can listen to
it and learn from us, and learn from you especially,
and know that we're good. You and I are very
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good and we have been for a long time. And
f the naysayers, f them, and to all my cheek
ease and chill listeners. You guys know I always end
my episodes with a quote, one or two, you know,
So here's a quote. Sisters don't need words to understand
each other. They have did their own secret language of smiles, sniffs,
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size gasps, winks, and eye rolls. It's very true. Another
one the greatest gift our parents ever gave us was
each other. So thank you parents. Those are the two quotes,
you guys, Oh my gosh, thank you so much. For
for being with me and I love you, sister, and
I'll see you so much. I love you with all
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My sister, Jackie Rivera compos I'm so grateful for this moment.
I'm glad that we're setting it straight because people need
to know. I was your bestest friend. Now you're CEO
of Jennie Rivera Enterprises. I feel like I was the
right person for the job that I didn't know that
a year ago, sister, So tell us, how do you
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do it now? I completely understand why mom always woke
up early. That lady was always up before everyone, and
I'm like, why doesn't she sleep for real? Hello, my
beautiful people, Gonna stands Moivian. Welcome to today's episode of
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Chicks and Chill. I'm so, so so happy you're here today.
I'm going to be joined by one of my siblings
to talk about our relationship and how she juggles being
a mom, a wife, and the CEO of Jennie Rivera Enterprises.
I think you're really a joy this episode. So let's
get right into it. This is Chickens and Chill, you guys.
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I am so excited to have my sister, Jackie Rivera
compos That's correct, right, sister, Yes, Jackie? Yes? Yes, okay,
perfect because she is married my sister, so we don't
hear from Jackie too often. So this is a very
rare and amazing opportunity. So Jackie, welcome to Chickens and
chill sister. Thank you, sister, Thank you big. I'm so
(01:32):
happy to be here. Of course, I love you. I'm
so happy we were able to make it happen. And
you guys, Jackie doesn't spell her name like regular Jackie's
like j A c k i E. She spells it
j A c q i E. Just so that you're
only different. My sister is thank you, sister, thank you
for putting some respect on my name. I know sometimes
(01:53):
I she was here at my house the other day
and I have a pet peeve when people leave their
water bottles like half empty or half fool. So I
put her name, I put Jack's and she's like, this
is not how you spell my name. She was very upset.
So I said, oh, ship, let me just say that
on on the podcast where people are aware. You're like
mom when they used to put a Y instead of
a Yeah. She hated it. Yeah, I think it's perfect.
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It's very you, very cute. Jackie has always been different. Okay,
So I'm the eldest and Jackie and I are about
four years apart. Uh four years, right, yeah, four years
four years And I think and correct me if I'm wrong, sister.
But since I was the oldest and I was I
think so scared of mom, like I wanted her approval,
(02:40):
you were kind of more like the rebel. You're like,
I don't want to be like like I always wanted
to kind of do things right and make mom happy
and kind of like a little soldier. And you were like,
I don't give a damn. Uh huh, I don't give damn.
She would go to school and wear her Andy's on
top of her pants and were two two's and and
I was so piste. Why pissed out? What? Because I
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wanted to be different? Or maybe it's like I wanted
to be seen. I don't know, yeah see, And I
think that this is something that this is actually a
great conversation. I wasn't even planning on having this, but
it might be like a because I think it caused
some friction because I don't want to say tension, but
maybe friction in our relationship. Because I was the eldest,
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my mom expected a lot for me, and I think
my mom gave me a lot of attention, not because
she loved me more, but because I had so many responsibilities.
So I think you always felt like, hello, ex see,
still I'm here, like you know what I mean? Like you,
I think we're more rebellious. I wanted to be rebellious,
and I was rebellious, but very secretly like a lot
(03:44):
of things that were in Yeah, I would do things
that Mom she never even knew about, but like you
were all about it, like loud and like I am
who I am not knowing that like Mom appreciated that.
Mom was like she's like me, she doesn't give a ship,
Like she's gonna do whatever she want. She's going to
make it in life because she's she's a rebel. She
would tell me that. And I was always more like
(04:06):
a little bit more like I don't know now I'm different,
But I think I think you were that way because
we needed some stability. Like I remember you getting us
ready for school, You're getting me ready for picture days,
you know, just making sure everything was good, making sure
everyone did their homework, so that you had to be
the stability. Not that Mom wasn't stable, but she was working.
(04:28):
So then for me, I think it kind of made
me feel like I have like I don't know what
I have to offer, because that that position was already taken,
like the fact that mom could lean on you can
count on you, you know, you were the stable one.
So I guess I was kind of like, well, I'm
gonna be the crazy one or the wild one or
do whatever, you know, and and yeah, and it's it's
(04:48):
crazy now that like we're talking about it, like and
I want to kind of set the you know, the
record straight, because I think on social media people have
tried to cause this division between yes, this is yeah,
I know, and it's it's we've talked about and sometimes
I have fallen into like, you know, like reading certain
things this is before because I haven't like maybe like
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two years ago, three years ago, where I would be
like and it would cause like that distance between us
until I got smart and I'm like, I just need
to talk to my sister and ask her straight up,
like you know, and we learned. But it's also because
we were so we exposed our life and especially with
the reality show, and we shared things that people probably
didn't have to know, but because we want to change
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the world, shared intimate moments that we had that things
that happened, and I think every family, every sister, like
sisters go through this. It just happened to put it
out there on cameras, so people kind of started choosing sides,
and I'm like, dude, it's not about that. It's not
about having sides and trying to put us against each other.
You know, I'm so grateful for this moment because it
(05:54):
is frustrating, like people come and comment or you know,
like there's people that have like TikTok's of them reading
your book, like they're making it like audio version. So
then I get tagged on the parts where there's about me,
and I'm like, dude, they're so past this, you know,
we're so past like the little moments that we've had,
which is like and I'm glad for our communication because
some people don't talk forever. But I'm like, no, we're
(06:15):
gonna we're fighting for our relationship and we're not there anymore.
And I'm just you know, I'm grateful for that. But
it does come up a few times I'm like, whatever,
I used to like want to clarify, but I'm like, dude,
I don't even know these people, Like I'm never gonna
see this person ever in my whole life. But I
think naturally because of we're human, like the little they're
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still can be a hundred positive comments and then that
one negative one that's against you or trying to cause division,
kind of like the one that sticks. So I've had
to learn to change that within myself, like it doesn't matter,
like not everyone's gonna be your number one fan, so
I have to be open to that. But I am.
I'm glad that we're setting it straight because people need
to know. I was your bestest friend. So my very
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first best friend, my very first best friend, my best
is friend, and we have been very close and we
are very close. Like I talked to my sister almost
every other day every day, like thank God my siblings
and are very very close. And I wanted to apologize
to you, sister, because you were okay with it. When
I wrote Forgiveness, the very first book, I was like, sister,
I'm going to talk about this because that's part of
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my journey. But I wasn't doing it to make anybody
look back like it was because I needed to heal
and I needed to also hopefully help people. So hopefully
if you guys haven't read the book and you're going
to read it or any of my books that you understand,
you guys, that it's a way of just this outgand
limit and expressing something that happened. But my sister, my siblings,
and I think are better than ever and I wanted
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to just put that out there. And I'm not ever
going to be okay with anyone attacking any of my siblings,
any of them. So when I see certain things and
it pisces me off and I'm like, I just want
to go and tell everyone, Like but I'm like, you
know what, it's okay. We know we're fine, but I
didn't want to be And now we got that out
of the way. Now we can talk about the mother.
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Because Jackie became a mom at you were wet twenty sister, Yeah,
three days before it turned twenty, and she told me
to cry. Oh, I remember that day when you took
a pregnancy testing, Like, how am I going to tell Mom?
How am I going to tell Mom? I was like,
because I know the soft spot Mom had for you,
where she was like she saw so much of herself
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and you that I knew you were so scared to
tell her. And I remember took a pregnancy test together. Remember, yeah,
I don't know if it was Sevas or Walgreens, I
don't know what, but we took we I'm like, just
take one with me, and you're like, okay, fine, we
take it together. And then we take it well and
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you're like, oh my god, my looks different from yours.
And I'm like, oh ship, she's pregnant. But but thank
god because it changed my mother's weakn world. You guys,
I remember your mom was taking a nap in her
room and she's like, how am I going to tell mom?
And I'm like, I don't know. You just gotta freaking
tell her. It's okay, You're gonna be fine. Remember I
pushed her. I literally pushed her into the room. I
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said okay here, and she's like, stayed quet with her
little face. We're just there. She was kind of trying
to she was to say what's going on? I said,
Jackie has something to tell you. She's like me, how
what what's going on? I'm pregnant and she said I remember,
And we were all crying and Mom was like, oh me,
how come he or that's all so she just think
(09:32):
it's okay, we'll figure it out and Let's be honest.
If it would have been me pregnant, my mom would
have been very pissed. But with Jackie, it's just I
think it happened all the way it was supposed to
happen the way like Jay look came into it, came
into our lives and changed our lives completely. And now
Jackie has four kids. Um, so there's Jay lothers, Genevieve, Jordan,
(09:54):
and Julian Um. And now she's she's a wife. She
still yes, you're a wiving, You're a good sister. Should
be proud of yourself, you know, well if you were
really emotional, because I think like right now that you said,
you know, when I turned nineteen or whatever, I got pregnant,
Like that's the moment like everything changed. Like I remember,
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we were always together. We were always like, you know,
doing everything together, getting our nails together, all these crazy things,
and that's what shifted. Like that's where like I stopped
being your baby and then became a mom. And I'm like, dude,
it's just crazy because I remember we used to tell
each other we're never gonna get married, and we're gonna
grow old together and we're going to live in the
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same house, and now I went in this sister, I know,
I remember we honestly, I did everything with you, and
we would go. I had my little probe, the black one,
to the club. They'll take care of the clubs, you guys.
I snuck out one day in this little bitch. She's like,
I'm gonna tell them if you don't take me with you.
And I was like, oh my god, in the middle
of the night to go to the races, you guys,
so here here I am taking out. Was fourteen, taking
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my ten year old sister, sneaking her out of the
window to go with me to the damn races at
two o'clock in the morning. Well, my mom was asleep.
She remember I was wearing overalls. I addressed your friend. Oh,
they called him wreck. He was like a freaking I
don't know, like a breaker, a breakdancer. So um. Anyway,
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so we did. We did do everything together. We would
like drive and lay under the trees together and listen
to music and we would have our window put down moments.
If the song was good, like it's a window put down,
let's put the window down, you would sing. But then yeah,
then things shifted and you became a mom and you
went through your things. Now you're CEO of January very crisis,
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and I can't be more proud you, guys, because earlier
when Jackie said, you said something that stuck out to
me when you're like, how can I be of assistance
to Mom? And I think you felt for a long
time like I'm a little bit of an outsider or
because Mom and I were so close and we did
everything together, we built the empire that you felt like, well,
what am I like? You know what I mean? Now?
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And it's crazy because I feel like like I'm doing something.
I feel like I did my part with Mom, and
now you're doing I don't know. You're so good at this.
You're so fucking good, Like I see the growth. There's
times you, guys, when I'm like, sister, what's going on
with this? Do I have to? Like I get upset
and She's like, don't worry. They're gonna fucking be sorry.
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They messed with us. This is Jackie. She's grown so much,
like from this shy girl to this whole last woman
and CEO And I'm so I can't say it, and
I'm so freaking proud of you, Jacqueline, Like thanks. It's crazy.
So tell us about that. How has that been for you? Well,
it's it's definitely been a learning curve. I remember, um,
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when do we we have the discussion of me making
the vision to like take the step and like, okay,
I wasn't sure if I could do it. To be honest,
I was like, I don't know if I can do this.
I don't know. I guess because I've always been the
type to like second guest myself. I think I do
a pretty good front of like you know, up front,
like oh I got this, But I feel like I've
always been like I don't know if I'm smart enough.
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I don't know if I'm brave enough. I don't I
don't know too much of this business because I've never
liked the music business. I feel like it's just a mess. Um.
But I remember like we had a conversation all the
siblings and everyone's like you can do it. I'm like, okay,
if they think I can do this, and maybe I
can do this. And then and then the beginning of
last year was just insane because there was like a
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lot of crying going on. There was a lot of
like it's just really really scary stepping into places with
business people and and just people who seem like they
have it all together, and I felt like such a
little person. But fast forwarding to the end of you know,
last year, and now I feel like I feel like
I can sit in a place like that and know
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who I am and have my head held high and
just being the authority. Like maybe I don't have all
the you know, I don't know all the terms or
I don't know everything, but I know who I am
as Jenny's daughter, and I know that I can take
these decisions and take it back to you guys, and
and you know, like I just feel good, you know,
I don't know, I feel like I've found my voice.
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And even in that, like I feel like you've had
that moment with Mom in the beginning, Like I feel
like you couldn't be who you are now if you weren't,
you know, the second Mom, if you weren't the one
making the decisions and for us, you know, like you
just gained that voice and not even more after everything
you've gone through. So I feel like I've had that
moment as well. Obviously Mom's not here to walk me
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through it, but I feel like I've had the moment
where like, no, you hold your head up, pie, you
have a voice, you have authority, you are smart, you know.
So I don't know. I just I'm sure if I
feel good. You are the daughter of of a queen,
of a woman that showed us so much, that showed
me so much that now I could you know, we've
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taught you guys, And I just I don't know. It's
crazy because it's like you you're four years younger than me,
but I I feel so freaking proud, like if it
was mom, Like I I'm like, dude, this is crazy.
How how things work out. And one thing I did
want to also say, because I have heard like a
lot of people and even family members have said that
they think that I was the one that that made
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you step into this and and cause Johnny to do
the yeah, to do the yeah, to ask for the
accounting and stuff. And it was like, dude, if you
guys only knew that's that's not the case. Jackie was like, Okay,
well things can be different. There are things that we're
not happy with, and she's like maybe it's my time,
and we pushed her to it. We're like, yes, if
you feel like yeah, because she was always second after
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after the previous um trustee. She was always second, like
on the will and on the trust and everything. So
it was just a matter of Jackie being ready and
she went in and she was honest and was like,
I I don't know. I'm like, well, we're gonna help you.
We're gonna put the right people. And you've done such
a good job. And what I love about you and
meetings that we've been at and I've been there to
see is you ask questions like you're not afraid, and
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that's something Mom taught me, and I think that this
is an important lesson for people. Like if you sit
in a room and there's something you don't understand, you're like,
I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means. Can
you explain it to me? Like, I've seen you say that,
and that's shows so much. There's so much strength and
beauty in vulnerability. And I've seen you like, hey, I
don't know what that means. Can you explain it? And
that's beautiful Jack's because that's you learning and I've and
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I've am I dude, I'm like, we have meetings. You
guys were like on a group chat or like on
conversations and my sister's like talking all this like all
this language, and I'm like, oh my god, I didn't
even know that you know what I mean. So I'm
learning from you. So it's it's good. And do you
feel completely different from it's been a year. It's been
a year since you've been in this position. You're completely like,
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how do you feel now? Like a year later, I feel, Um,
I feel like I've the right person for the job. Um.
And I didn't know that a year ago. I I
remember I brought it up and I was so nervous
to bring it up, to step into that place. Um,
but I did it, like because I was just like, dude,
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like for years I knew that, Okay, you're the next
person up. But I was like when I heard the
previous trustee always you know, complaining, candle say like, I
just don't you know, I could have always stepped up,
but I didn't feel that urge. But the previous like
not last year, but the year before it was just crazy.
We know how crazy that was. And I was like
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someone used to step in and I felt it, you know,
like I felt like I have to do this, and
and having your guys back up obviously really really helped
me believe in myself. And now a year later, I'm like,
I know, it's not like I believe because believe. It's
like I don't know it yet, but I believe I
could do it. Now. I know now, I know, like
this is where this is good. I can do this,
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And I feel like I'm I'm the right person for
the job because it's not like I don't want to
say too much because it doesn't matter with the previous people.
But I feel like I have a great relationship with
my siblings and it's it's like I'm just the one spearheading,
but it's all of us together. It's not like I
can't I don't have a good relationship and I have
to figure it out on my own, you know. I
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just I don't know. I just I feel you don't
have like what I love is like you're not on
a power trip. You're not like not like an ego
thing for you. Like I want to handle it with grace.
And I'm not just saying it because she's my sister,
you guys, But she's always praying, she doesn't make impulsive decisions.
She's like always just okay, wait, let me see what
my siblings think, and we we talk literally saying the
table and we talk it through and sometimes if we're outnumbered,
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we're out numbered and we go with whoever, like whoever decided.
Like we respect each other that much. And I always
tell my siblings, whether I'm the oldest or not, it's like,
respect your sister's position. Respect your sister. I understand you
need to talk to her because she's it's a difficult
thing you're a sibling. But I also tell you you
are also a CEO, so you have to learn to
balanced that and not let emotions because I think that's
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what happened previously with the previous administration is too many
emotions were involved and it's like, wait, what's going to
be best for the artist that you're represented? And that's hard,
but I think you've you've done it very well. And
because we have so much respect for each other as
as a whole, that we're all like, okay, Jackie is
the leader and we got to respect that. And I
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think that that's important. You guys, thank your sister. I
really want to thank you for that because that's really
empowered me. You know, you've always you know, you're the
big sister, like you're the big sister. But when you've
taken a decision to be like no, like you know,
you've said, what does Jackie thinker, what does Jackie sayer? No,
you have to tell Jackie Like, those moments have really
empowered me. And I want to say thank you for that,
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because for me, I think I've naturally like shrunk for
whatever things in my life have happened. I'm naturally just
shrunk and made myself smaller. But when you make those
you make it very clear that it's my position. Those
you I mean unconsciously or you know, but it has
empowered me. So I just want to say thank you
for that. You're so welcome, sister, and I promise you
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I mean it, And I don't know how you do it.
And that's why I'm like, I don't know would it
even be, Like I don't even want to imagine, especially
like right now, if I were in your position and
I have no kids, like you are a full last
mother of four and you're a wife, and you have
your own business VI Colores and you guys check that out.
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We'll give them all that information afterwards. But she has
her own business of T shirts that Colores and she
also runs Jenny River Enterprises, and I feel like I'm busy,
but I'm like, shit, how does my sister do it?
There's times when she's texting me at five in the
morning and I'm now starting to get up like that
again now, but like, I'm like, dude, how the She's like, well,
I have to work out before I go to work
and have to take the kids to school. And I'm
just like, She'll send us videos at seven in the
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morning with all the kids and they're going to school,
and I'm just like, how, Like, how have you managed
to juggle everything, sister? Like being in such a strong
position having a husband to understand that that's another thing,
you know that I'm like, and I see Mike, her husband,
you guys, she's I see the difference in him where
he's because he lets you be Jackie and he lets
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you shine, And that takes a lot of balls in
a man to say, I'm here, I'm gonna take care
of my kids. I'm gonna let my wife do her thing,
you know. And she also sings, oh my god, you guys, sister,
so tell us, how do you do it? Like, honestly,
I think it's a it's an accumulation of all those things,
you know. Um, And now I completely understand why Mom
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always woke up early like that. Lady was always up
before everyone, and I'm like, why doesn't she sleep? And
now I understand, Like I just it's the waking up early.
It's honestly having Mike. He's completely different man, and he
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knows that whatever it is that he has that can
help me, like just be be my person. He takes
that so seriously and he does it with so much
love that I can have the peace of mind that
you know, my kids are being taken care of. Sometimes
when I have late, late days, he he handles it. Um.
So it's just it's that and and really just waking
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up early. And more than anything, I was very afraid. Um.
I didn't want to sacrifice my relationship with my kids.
I know each all of us had felt that when
we were growing up, and that's always been like, um,
in the back of my head, even with the colts
or when I made the decision to really focus on
my music, I was like, I want to do this.
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It's my passion, it's what I love, but not at
the expense of my relationship. With my children. So I've
always said after six pm, there's no work. I'm not
I'm not working, and and it's been really hard because
there's always something that's a pressing issue, the decision that
needs to be made now. But I've always told myself
it doesn't need to be made now. You want it
to be now, but it doesn't have to be. So
I could wait until tomorrow when it's work hours because
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I need to help. I want to be there and
help Jay the study for school. Um, which I want
you to know that she got honor roll again my princess. Yes,
I am a proud of mother, but it's she's not
God daughter. Yes. So it's it's me making the conscious
decision to like after six I'm not gonna swear any
(23:23):
phone calls for many lawyers or anything like that, or
or on the weekends, like I have that time with
them and it's the family time. Um. But it's just
reminding myself. So scheduling, so you wake up to have
me out, which is it's your time, okay, because I
was going to ask you that, like because I've noted,
I'm like, okay, there there. You have to have a schedule,
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like it's it's a routine, you know, to say, Okay,
this is what's going to make me Jackie happy, and
then have a make time for my kids. And I
think it's super awesome. She was telling me the other
day we were eating or something, and she's like, yeah,
we have She puts all of the kids phone, all
of their phones at it like charging center where no
one can grab it, right or something like that can explain,
which I think is super cool. Yeah. So so for
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for me, Jayla just got her phone, so I wanted
to hold it off as much as I could. But
now in the age that we're living and she needs
a phone. She's thirteen, which is not that bad because
I think that's the age I had mine. Um, but
I don't want her to be addicted to the screen.
And it's also helping me not be aded to my screen.
So we all charge our tablets our phones in the
same section. It doesn't it's not even with me at nighttime,
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it's not even with her at nighttime. Everybody charges it
in the same section and we get to focus on
us time. So everyone is off their phone by eight
and everybody knows so and wow, I think that's awesome.
I think everyone should practice that. I need to do that,
like I really do. I've been wanting to put my
phone in my bathroom like away from me for so long,
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so that I'm attempted to, like, you know, like when
I'm I need to go to bed, you know, and
I start thinking. And then it also helps because the
alarm is set up at a certain time, so I
have to get up and just arm it, so I'm
already out of bed, and then we have to go
to the gym there also, that's good, okay, And do
you do you and Mike have like date nights? Uh?
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We we try to our best. Mikey actually did offer
to take care of the kids so that me and
Mike can have a day time and we took my
Varne that yeah, Mike care brother. But yeah, for sure,
I think that's good. I think that you are definitely
in a in a much better place within your relationship.
And I would just want to give us a round
of applause to Mike. Hopefully here's my podcast. But I
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think that it's super awesome, you know, like that you
freaking Mike, if you're hearing, hopefully you do. Thank you
for loving my sister. And I see the change, and
I love it and I'm just happy and I can't
wait to go to the like you know, if you
guys get married again. But we are, we are, We're
going to renew our vowels and honestly, like, I'm so
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happy where we're at. So thank you for acknowledging that, Sister,
My husband easy. But it's like how you said, like
everything had to happen the way it did, and even
us not being together for that long changed him, changed me.
Now we came back together and separated. You were separated
for three years, three years for three years, you know what.
Maybe now I had got an idea you guys should
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come on together as a couple and talk about that
if you guys wouldn't mind like having an episode of relationships,
and I think we can all learn from it, you know,
because yeah, a lot of people don't come back from
what you guys went through. You know, like literally, you
guys were separated for a while and it really did
strengthen your love. And I see it. I see he's
completely different. You're different. Like it's just you guys are
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in a great place and and I'm happy for you,
which is continues to grow. But but yeah, I mean,
and we just had a sister a spat sister day
you guys. That was a few weeks ago. Yeah, that
was awesome and I was happy that you, like you
took the time off. So it's like you're really being
intentional about I'm gonna work, but I'm also going to
have me days like me You're you days. I've always
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told you that is when you became a mom for
the first time. Actually, with Genevieve, Jayla, even Jordan's, I
would have to remind to, like, sister, get your nails done,
like you need to like have time for you. And
I see that you do. Like your nails look great,
your hair looks great. You're taking care of Jackie too.
That's good. Thank you, sister. Yeah, until all the mommies
out there, I admire you all because I remember I
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remember you would always tell me, like it's important take
care of yourself. Yeah, since I since they were little,
my sister's no, I was the one that makes sure
you shave, make sure you know your skincare, and put
your blog, put on yourself there everything. Yes, so I'm
still that person. So um anyways, sister, actually, yes, I
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do want you to plug in the colors, tell us
where they can find it, where they can shop, because
that's important, that's your business. Thank you so much, sister.
So right now we are strictly online at the gold
Threads dot com, but we're working on having it at
Jennior Very Fashion in the brim all along with Cheekies
and stuff check is um Merch and you know the
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be Flawless and then Jessica stuff. So we're trying to
get all that so they can have a physical location. Yeah,
I'm excited for that. I know that for all of
us last year, at the beginning of last year, when
all this huge transition started and happened, we all were
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going through stuff, and I know you had this huge
anxiety attack to like felt I think it was distress
maybe or what do you think, like because you went
to the hospital like you were so stressed out right, Yeah,
so it was it was a panic attack. Um. I
didn't know that I struggled with anxiety, but apparently I do.
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Janica had said that being forgetful it's like anxiousness. Um.
I had struggled with a lot one Mike and I
were not together, but with this change, I think I
put a lot of pressure on myself, and I wasn't sleeping.
There was a lot of like decisions needed to be made,
and I just wasn't sleeping. I wasn't, really, like you said,
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the importance of taking care of ourselves. I wasn't doing
the things I usually do as I like making sure
I'm drinking of water. Sleeping is so important, and um,
I don't know what happened. I remember I felt like
I was like bleeding from the inside. So this was
all mental though it's it's a mental thing. And and
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I was like, I'm dying. I'm dying, and poor my
kids were there and everyone was freaking out, and Mike
was like, I remember the look on his face. I
was like, we have to go to the hospital. I
think I'm dying. And I literally felt like all the
blood and my body was coming out of me. There's
nothing physical that could prove there was there. You could
look at me, and I looked fine, but I felt
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it like the sensation of my fingers were getting tinglie
and my toes were getting tingly, and I was getting dizzy.
And I remember Mike rushing to the hospital and and
Isabelle came to watch the kids and and and Mike
couldn't get in because they wouldn't let him into the hospital. Yeah. Um,
but I went into the hospital and they did they
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took my blood and everything was normal. Everything was fine.
I'm healthy physically. But I was there like she hasn't slept,
she's she's dying, de hydrated. She had a panic attack.
I thought that I was dying, literally like it was.
It was very very scary, very like I can't I
I really thought I was dying. Like and I remember
I was calling you. I remember I left you a
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voice message. Yeah, that was I was trying to call
you guys to say bye to you guys because I
thought I was dying. Good. It was. It was insane.
And then I remember I was they put me in
a wheelchair and I was looking at the lights and
and I felt like if I fell asleep, I said,
So I was fighting to stay awake so that I
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wouldn't die. But really my body wanted me to sleep,
wanted me to rest. It was really crazy. It was
very scary. But and how's how's your mental your mental
health now? How do you are you feeling better? Do
you have your feel better since that time? Mike really
like he's like, okay, like you need to sleep, like
because sometimes he'd let me just stay up and and
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I think that was when there was a switch, like
he kind of like really stepped in like okay, babe,
like like let's all go to sleep, let's rest, make
sure you're eating, make sure, I think because I was
so busy on making sure that, like I was, you know,
taking care of everything. I had to take care of me.
And though it was just I don't know, like it
was a weird I don't know if without saying too
much about what's happening in the business, like I think
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it was just a really stressful time and I was
so consumed by that. And and now you know, it's
the little changes where Mike's like we have conversations about
what's going on, so that I convent because I felt
like I had to take all the load to not
stress you know, you guys out or or him out,
and even just the pressure of like I need to
make sure that I do it right I I And
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now now I know that I don't. I don't have
to put that much pressure on me because I have
your guys, like I know it, Like I think before
I had this misconception of like I have to show
that I'm there really working, you know, I don't know.
It's just myself, not that anyone made me feel that way,
and I get that. So now it's it's the little
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things like not having my phone with me and not
staying up too late, and it's all those little things.
I feel better. There's moments where I obviously there's decisions
that need to be made and just situations that happened.
But I'm like, I'm not I'm just gonna pray and
give it to God, like me staying up, it's going
to change the situation. Yeah. Do you feel like that
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was your wake up call, like where you're like, Okay,
I need to make changes. Okay, Yeah yeah, and I didn't.
Thank goodness that Mike is there to like support you
and tell you, hey, um it's time to go to bed.
I think, yeah, it's all about that. It's balancing your life.
Maybe you were just so far the other way that
it's just finding that balance. That's one thing that is
so important for your mental health, for your physical health.
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So so I'm like, of course scared that that happened,
and I'm like, oh my god, it freaks me out.
But in a way, I'm like, Okay, that's God saying,
hey Jack, sit down for a little bit, you know,
and are you still doing therapy or like you're not right? Yeah? Yeah, okay, good, Yeah, Yes,
we have therapist. Guys. It's my sister and I. She's awesome.
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She's so awesome, and she ends every session with the prayer.
So it just makes me feel good. So you guys
were huge advocates for therapy. You guys know, almost in
every episode of Chick, I'm always therapy, therapy, therapy, like
it's just talking and then putting it out. It's so important,
you guys. So that's crazy, and I love that. I
love that you're sharing that because I feel like in
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our generation. I feel like this generation, I don't know
if we're millennials or whatever, but we're very much like
take care of those issues, those internalized was the things
that aren't seen. I feel like the previous generation. I
remember Mom didn't believe in like depression and like she
didn't believe it getting sad like get up and she
didn't and obviously like maybe that's what she needed to succeed.
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But I like to cry. I get it all out
like it's important. So I'm grateful and I feel like
that's I remember, like even like Mom did not believe
in organic Mom, I'm just like you know you were
very much like you were the pivotal moment of like, no,
this is important, and you know, I love it because
now I'm healthy emotionally and all the areas. Yeah, because
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Mom was just like, let's just get ship done. Depressions
in your mind and she didn't really get it, and
I understand. It's like now it's like you said, we're
about self help and self love and self growth and
really like trying to get this internal part in. Yeah.
So I'm very proud of you. I am that I mean,
and you actually my sister Jackie introduced me to my therapist.
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You guys, so this I mean, I had many therapists,
but this last one, the one that I'm working with now.
She gave me for my birthday? Was it right? You
gave me a book? Um, she gave me a book
which is took me way back to my tow when
we lived in Compton. What is a Chicken Soup for
the Soup for the for the soul? And five sessions
to this therapist tanyes So and I'm so grateful. She's
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so awesome. I love her so much because I'm glad.
I've been telling sometimes like Tanya and talk to you.
Can you take me today? She's like okay, yes, five PM.
I'm like, okay, perfect, thank you. So um not only
like I said you guys, is my sister, a mother,
a wife for CEO she has, She's an entrepreneur. She
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also is a singer, a very talented singer, beautiful singer.
I have been her fans since the first time I
heard her sing and also at church. She has the
voice of an angel. Um. So, what's going on with
their music? Well, I am working on my album. Um up,
(36:01):
I'm working on it. I I'm balancing everything I'm doing
with my album. And that's more of a gift to
myself because I kind of for some reason, I was
wrote off singing like I'm like, I'm not gonna do this.
I love it, but I'm not gonna do it. I'm
afraid of the business. But I think now, like I
made my two or three years ago, I just said,
(36:21):
don't know, I need to do this album and just
do it for myself, like show myself that I could
do it, and then you know, life through curveballs and
then positions shifted and changed. But I'm like, no, I
can't let that slip away. So we're almost done. I
don't have like a date or anything yet, but um,
I am working. Oh my god, I'm so excited. I
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have to tell you, guys, I didn't know she was
working on an actual album, but actually did show me
like a song. We had a sibling meeting a few
weeks ago and she showed me a song, you guys,
and I was like floored. I was like, what it.
You've always been an amazing finger at jack, but this
is another level and this song is so wow, one
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of my favorite songs. I don't know, I just cannot.
I can't wait for you guys to hear it. So
I'm so happy they're working on this album. You know me, sister,
we're going to have to have an album release party,
you know. Oh my gosh, oh my god. Can you
give us a little hint as to what kind of music.
Maybe it's bilingual and it's like alternative, like rock. It's
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so fucking awesome. You guys are counting for you to
hear it, and people are always asking sister for a
cheek ease and Jackie song. And I know, dude, yeah,
I haven't every all the time, so we need to
do it O say yeah, I mean the moment you
got and I have a song in mind. I'll share
that with you later because it has a bit surprise.
But Jackie and I have a little surprise coming. We
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can't tell you how or what, but it's coming. It's
already done. Um so, but we do need to do
you something, you and I something like super different it
so I would love that. And I just want to
say thank you for believing in me, sister. Why am
I still emotional? Yes, I promise. Um. I just want
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to say thank you for believing in me. I know
that it hasn't been easy because people are so cruel
and negative and have tried to put us against each other,
especially on the music side. Um. And I always tell
people like my sister has something else, like you have
this grace and charisma and the stage presence and your
voice has grown. But I just want to say thank
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you for supporting me and even like inviting me to
be part of the concert in Nanaheim, like that did
something in me of like I actually do like I
love this, you know, so just it's every little thing.
So I just I just want to say thank you,
and I really appreciate you being the best big sister
and just backing me and supporting me even when people
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try to stupid. Yes, people can be a holes. But
you know, I've learned, and it's taken me a while
because for a long time I did feel like, oh
my gosh, my sister has a better voice than me,
and maybe this is what I'm supposed to do. We
just have different voices. That's what I've learned. We have
different voices, and I've learned to embrace my voice. And
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my voice is different, and I have my own light
to shine and she has her own light to shine.
And it's not about competing or being better than each
other or one another or it's about just embracing each
other's talent, like knowing that I have something special and
so does she, and so does my mom and so
does everyone else. And people need to stop comparing and
(39:38):
putting people against each other. That's just so not cool.
Like people are like Okay, Beyonce, Arihanna or Drake and
like it's it's like, dude, it's always always Michael Jackson
her prints like dude got again, Like I everyone has
their own thing, like just stop with that. Like, and
I'm not going to allow anyone's comment or anything to
come between us. I embrace you completely as my baby sister,
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as an artist, like I admire you, and I admire
so many other women. Why wouldn't I admire my own sister?
You know what I mean? I think, do you remember
anything embarrassing, sister about like our child said, anything that
you want to share, like something, I mean, besides the
time that you were I was running around naked that
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we shared on Santa's podcast. But I'm trying to think what, Oh, sister, Yes,
I don't know if we said the story before. Come
on tell them that. Yes, I don't even remember that
but her poop, yes, guys, Okay, so fine, I'll tell
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the story. Go friends. Okay. So we lived in Compton
and it was our house on Keene Street and Compton
and um my mom and dad had just gotten back
together and anyways, so our water wasn't working. My I
don't know if mom forgot to pay the water bill
or what happened, but the water was not working. So
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I woke up and I pooped. I was like five
or something like that. Mom told, yeah, my mom told
me not to poop, but hey, I'm five years old.
I had a poop. So I got up and secretly
went to the bathroom. And I remember seeing my mom
and my dad on the couch and I was like,
I'm just gonna walk real slowly, took little poop. I
went back to my room and there goes little She's
most jack Jackie. There goes Jackie and goes after what
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did my sister go do? I went to the toilet
and grabbed my little poop and it, Oh my god.
She literally was like I remember. I was like, oh
my god, Jackie is sid in her in her bed
and I was like, went to go. Look, you were
in the toilet, on the toilet like literally had the
settle thing. Sorry, that's such ad the poop in her hand,
and she was like biting on it like it was
a Snickers. You guys, I just got girls stout disgusting
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And then as a mom, like I put myself in
that position and like with no water to clean me,
there was no am like I'm sorry I had ap
in there. Oh, but you weren't taking you a care
of your sister. And I'm like, oh my gosh. But anyways,
that's a little story you guys. I swear I know
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Mom was pissed. Oh my god. Sorry. Johnny's here too.
He's he's He's the one that reminded me of the
poop story. Um, but you want to know something funny.
So Jeneteve has bangs. My my second daughter has bangs,
and I made me think of you, and they were
like just all up in her face. They've they've grown out.
So I was like, I'm just gonna try to cut them, bro,
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And it made me think, like her brains are now
above her eyebrows and her twick and it made me
think of the time that you did that. I mean
to you, it's because you're the secret is if you're
gonna cut bangs, you guys, don't do it when the
hair is wet. I was terrible, Yeah, because once they so,
they're like twickles. I'll send you a picture. They're like
my messed up. One side is higher than the other.
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And I remember when you did that. I'm just like, okay, well,
I mean whatever. But she's so kind, she's so sweet.
She's like it's okay, mom me like, you can tell
she's unhappy, but she like, it's okay, Mommy. They're going
to grow out. Oh she's so sweet, My Jenny. We
can just straighten them, just pin them back. That's what
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I did with you. I just could pick them back
for a long time. But you, guys, I hope you
really enjoyed this episode. I definitely did, sister. Thank you
for your time. Um. I love this conversation with so
healing from my heart and hopefully people can listen to
it and learn from us, and learn from you especially,
and know that we're good. You and I are very
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good and we have been for a long time. And
f the naysayers, f them, and to all my cheek
ease and chill listeners. You guys know I always end
my episodes with a quote, one or two, you know,
So here's a quote. Sisters don't need words to understand
each other. They have did their own secret language of smiles, sniffs,
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size gasps, winks, and eye rolls. It's very true. Another
one the greatest gift our parents ever gave us was
each other. So thank you parents. Those are the two quotes,
you guys, Oh my gosh, thank you so much. For
for being with me and I love you, sister, and
I'll see you so much. I love you with all
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my heart peace. Do you need advice on love, relationships, health? Imas.
I'm so excited to share with you that my Cheekies
and Chill podcast will have an extra episode drop each week.
I'll be answering all your questions. Just leave me a
voice message. All you have to do is go to
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speak pipe dot com slash Cheeks and Chill podcast and
record your questions. I can't wait to hear from you.
This is a production of I Heart Radio and the
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