January 29, 2024 • 41 mins
We're back! And we're kicking off the newest season of the podcast with my sister Jacqie and her husband Mike. Join us as we learn more about what it takes to make marriage work, how the two juggle family life, what it's like being CEO of Jenni Rivera Enterprises, and more. Plus, Jacqie shares when she'll be dropping a new album!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Through marriage. Now that in your second marriage, your new marriage,
what are the like, the best advice that you can
give us that are trying to make things work.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I think it's definitely communication, but more communication when you
don't feel like it.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I used to be the one that would criticize the
stay at whole month. I'll be honest, and I've been
doing it for about a year and I'm just like, no, honestly,
my respects. You start at six am and you don't
stop till eight nine o'clock at night, and you don't
get paid for this, dude.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hello you guys, and welcome to season three of Cheeky's
and Chill in our brand new set. You guys right up,
applause for that. I'm so excited. This is our very
first episode and I am grateful when I have like
little cards of that we are elevating this so to
start this very first episode the third season, thanks to
(01:02):
you guys, To all the listeners, thank you so much.
I have a very special actually two very special guests.
One of them have been on the pod before. She
is a entrepreneur, she is a singer, she is a
CEO a very important company. She's a mommy, she's a wife,
and she's my sister, Jacqueline, Jacqueline rivera compos and her husband,
(01:27):
Mike compos You guys, a round of applause for them.
Everyone at home clap too. And I'm just kidding. Just
be careful. But anyways, you guys, thank you so much
for coming, Thank you for staying here.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Of course, the colors are warm, right, very cute. Yes,
exactly because you guys actually we're talking about this and
and thank you because I wanted it to be very
warm and homey and for it to give you like
a nice little just warm hub. Yes, and talking about that,
there's a few things that I'm going to talk to
(01:59):
my sister, sure and Mike about. I call Mike my
bro or you know, that's my homie. But I don't
want to talk too much about a certain subject about
their relationship because, as many of you may know, or
maybe you don't know, Jackie and Mike, you guys have
been married for how long, eleven years in total, eleven
years in total. They just got remarried. They just renewed
(02:20):
their vowels and that was beautiful. I have to I
have to say, you guys have had a blast ethnic wedding.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Sister, your speech was amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Really, I don't remember. I was. I was a little buzzed,
but it was so funny because let me, can I
be honest, the first wedding it was. I was like, okay,
let me tell you, guys. The first wedding there was
no alcohol. No, there was only Christian.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
We got married on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
They got married on a Wednesday. My mom and I.
I think stuff was getting a little weird between my
mom and I then, so it was the tension was weird. Anyways, Fine,
it was, it was great, but this one was so
much better.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And I mean it was. It's very completely different.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I did.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Like an alto.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So is it safe to say that you guys were
more religious back then? Yes? And the mindset by the rules,
living by the rules, which is there's a difference between
like religion and being a person of faith. Yes, right,
relations explained that real quick. I don't know who wants
to go first, but you guys.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well very you know. I'll let Jackie explain it more
in details. But back then it was more taught if
you act a certain way out like if I look
better outside outwardly, then then that makes you a good Christian.
So that's why our first wedding you can kind of
see there was a lot of like, let's make sure
(03:38):
it looks good. But then at that time I didn't
know what was more important was the inside.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So yeah, the relationship exactly, which I see a huge
difference in you, Mike in so many different ways, you guys,
because we're going to talk a little bit. And again,
the whole point that I was saying was we can't
talk too much. We don't want to talk too much
about the depth of the relationship because they've gone through
a lot and they got remarried and they're just two
completely different people. Their relationship is completely different. Because Mike,
(04:05):
my brother in law here, is going to come out
with his own actually already came out with his own podcast.
His podcast is called what is it called? I want
him to introduce it.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's embarrassing to be proud. Well, in the process, I'm
working in my own self confidence and stuff like that.
But it's actually going to be called the Mac effect.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So the Mac effect, you guys. So I think I
think it's awesome, but it's also because those are your initials.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Those are my initials.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Because he's a mac.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Daddy, but he ain't no mac daddy, Okay, And then
what are you going to talk about on that podcast?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, the purpose for it at first, because I already
have I actually sat down with my wife and I
asked for her help as far as you know, helped
me how to schedule the first season. So I already
have the first ten episodes as far as what we're
going to discuss. But the purpose of it is to
help other men. I really want to help men because
(05:00):
I feel like we don't get that help. Like it's
not easy for a man to say, hey, you know what,
I'm struggling in my marriage or I'm struggling.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
As a man, especially as latinos han. Yeah, I'm a cheesemoll.
There's a little bit of yeah pride.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh and I'm still going through it now. So that's
kind of the purpose. And then if it branches off
to other stuff, you know, for marriages and things like that,
then let's go for it, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And yeah, you guys are going to talk about all
the because there were so many things that were said
and not even said but made up too about your guys'
relationship and just a lot of stuff. I'm shure, you
guys are going to talk about that, which I think
is super cool because you it should come out of
you guys, and this is your relationship and you guys
should do it together, which I think is awesome. So
(05:44):
congratulations on that, bro. I think that's awesome. I think
that that's what I do here on the podcast. I'm
very honest and about everything, and that's the only way
is to change lives is if we're honest and well
exactly being vulnerable. There's so much power and being vulnerable.
So I think that that's great, especially being a voice
for Latino men in general. I mean there, I think
we there's so many taboos, you know, and all this stuff.
(06:06):
So so I think that's great. I wish you the
very best, and maybe one day I can go on
your podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Dude, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Okay, well, all right, we're gonna go to mac Daddy's.
I mean, not mac Daddy's, the Mac Effect. Okay. So
I don't even know. I didn't really have too much
planned as to what we wanted to talk about, because
there's so much to talk about. I do want to
kind of and I'm glad that that Mike is here
because we've had, we've been on the on the podcast,
and we've talked about different things, even on Janica's podcast
(06:33):
over Comfort You guys check those episodes out as well,
because we had very deep conversations on there as well.
I know. Anyways, we're such cribaby and media always says,
I mean, I was like, you and Jackie are like
like so much alike. It's crazy. We're like goofy and
silly and like.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
The voice everything everything is true.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So this is you, guys. Raised Yeah, So okay, So
I wanted to talk to you about first of all,
the mom makeover okay, which I was there. Yes, I
helped out, but I have to tell you guys, and
I said this on Thanksgiving again, I was drinking the case.
I don't remember too, but it was awesome because I've
(07:15):
seen the change in your guys' relationship and in both
of you, but I got to experience it firsthand being
there helping take care of you. Yeah, and I love
that he was like this is my wife. Like he
was like on it, you know what I mean, And
like even the first day you're like, I respected like, hey,
do you need me there? The very first day you're
like okay, no, like I think it's it was beautiful.
(07:37):
But anyways, I got there helping her out. But dude,
let me tell you, guys, the patience of this man
that I was, like, whoa asked that melanim It gives
me emotional because it gets me emotional because he was
very different. And he'll tell you guys about this on
his podcast. He's going to be like, but he was
very different. I mean even you sister were very pa
(08:00):
You're very different. Now it's I see it. It's a
very strong relationship. But the fact that he was taking
care of my sister and was wiping her booty and everything,
like was patient to I don't know how this guy
did it. I don't know how he did it because
he would wake up and take the kids to school
and and he would make them their their pack, their
lunch and the breakfast and take some and then come
(08:21):
back and pick up the other one and then take
care of my sister. And it was just I'm glad
of that Janica and I because it wasn't just me.
Janica also helped out that you freaking were there, dude,
and the way that you're loving my sister, like I
can tell you that I'm so grateful that you guys
have stayed together and have four beautiful children, you know,
and I'm very proud of you guys. I have to
say it. And what I said on Thanksgiving, and I
(08:43):
don't really remember what it was, but I know it
was about your relationship. But like this guy and I
was crying.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I think, I think you're really grateful for him.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
People. I'm grateful for you to. I'm grateful for you,
and I'm proud of where you guys have come and
how long you guys and how hard you guys have
both worked for this relationship and you guys, you guys
have Can I say who your therapists are? Your counselors? Okay,
because Tanya, who's also been on the podcast, you guys.
I met Tanya because of my sister and Tanya, and
(09:14):
I think I kind of touched on it a little bit.
So my sister gave me five sessions to Tanya for
Christmas and was it a Christmas for my birthday? Was
my birthday? One of the best gifts ever, you guys,
And from there developed we had like a like I mean,
she's helped me out so much with so many things,
and now she is also and Rudy is now Tanya's
(09:37):
husband is also now a medial s life coach, so
it's going to be. They did a whole two hour
session the other day. He came to dude, I'm blown away.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I am mentor.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He's your mentor. Yeah, so that's who helped you, guys
your relationship. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, first, Tanya was his therapist before I started going.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I started going. We were separated because I you, I
needed the help, so I started going to Tanya before
and then uh, and it was just crazy, like Tanya
really blessed me because her testimony is insane. And then uh,
and then I don't know, out of the boose, I
convinced her again to give you another shot. And while
(10:17):
we were talking, I said, well, I told her like, hey,
if we're going to try this again, like we're going
to do things differently, which is we're definitely getting counseling,
like we're not doing this alone. And those were some sessions.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Wow, dude, so it came from you. I didn't know this.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
See you guys, Okay, see like there's I'm a I'm
a huge advocate for for for therapy. You guys, I
always say so thanks to Mike, he's the one that
introduced us to Tany. They're amazing breath of a breath
of breath of breath of life. You guys, so if
you want to check them out, But okay, so that's
awesome and you guys still go with them. Yeah, it's
(10:56):
it's I think it's do you think like it's in
life thing that that well we're gonna need.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I think definitely, just because we have different seasons in
our life. I mean there's different curve balls that life
throws at us, and you you just need that sounding
board to get it all off.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Sometimes you're gonna feel really amazing. Sometimes you're just gonna
be like, no, I need to go back, And there's
nothing wrong with that. Yeah, It's not like you get
better and then that's it.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You're good for life.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah. I feel it's kind of like a like a
like a car. We need a sign change, we need
to fine tuning exactly because I think for sure it's
something that I want to do for the rest of
my life. And now you know it's premarital counseling that
I there are things that you know, I'm realizing and
I'm not perfect right. You know, I thought I was okay,
So it's like, okay, Emilio's so patient. He's just so different.
I mean, you should have them on your podcast too,
(11:40):
that would be awesome, so you guys would talk about
that would be cool. How is the relationship now that
you're CEO, Like, has it been Has it been tough? Honestly?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I think, I mean, I think there's moments that make
it tough.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And I'm CEO of January Enterprises by the way, just
in case anyone doesn't know that's our mom anyways.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I think there's moments that are tough just because I'm
I'm totally like not Mike is taking care of the home,
so there's growth that he.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Had to learn, and then there I had to let
go in order for me to take care of Jerry.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But it's a lot of checking in and when we
got to talk, and sometimes being intentional about having those
meetings is the tough part. Like it takes a lot
of intentionality because we can get a disconnect and you
don't want that. I don't want to get into a
routine and then check out of my home because I'm
trying to take care of this.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So you're being smart.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
There's a lot of intentionality that's needed.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay, So when you say take care of the home, like,
what do you mean? Like he I saw it, So
I mean he you take.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Care of everything he does. He's significed a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, And that's what I wanted to ask you, because again,
being a Latino man, how is that?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, there's and I'll go more into depth, you know
some other time, either here mine or it doesn't matter.
But what's crazy is just that you know, there's there's
past trauma that we're still living through or we were
living through. So just to kind of give a little
bit of an example in our I always say in
our first marriage because we're in our second one, you know,
(13:19):
but in our first marriage, we kind of tried the
I quit my job and I was trying to pursue
real estate at that time. And at that time, real
estate is just like it's infested with agents, Like everyone
has a THEO or a THEA or someone that's in
real estate. So it's just it's hard. And then it
(13:40):
wasn't working for us, and that's when we kind of
started having our hardship, and that's when we broke up.
When we separated, So then coming back together. I was working,
She's working, and then we get hit with the hey,
you know, Jerry's coming. I'm gonna start working for my mom.
It's gonna become serious. What do we do? And we
start noticing the kids are just everywhere because I was
(14:02):
so busy at work, she was busy at work, and
we had a nanny or a babysitter, but like JJ
when he would go to the babysitter, he would just
start crying like he didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah, which made that for six months.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, first, so it was it was quite some time.
And then eventually I just told her, I said, hey, look,
I'll be honest, like at my job too, I'm unhappy
because it's it's always I was a recruiter, and it's
always it's always like get more people, get more people
like nunka. It's never enough, so there's always demand, demand, demand.
So then I'm like, I'm not happy with that, like
(14:37):
I you know, I'm not, and we just kind of
both felt like should you stay home? And then I
dedicate myself into this full time, which.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
For for us it's it was hard.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It seemed like it was going to be the best
thing for our family, but it was also carried trauma
from from what happened the first time. So it's like
we had to intentionally heal those things that way we
can do this because it felt like we both had
an understanding that this is what needs to happen.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
But it's scary.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
It's scary. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And then and then the machismo part too, is like,
you know, you don't want people saying that you know,
it's not Montaniano and all this stuff. So I had
my sessions with Rudy and I'm like, what do you think?
And Rudy's like, Bro, if God puts you in a place,
what does it matter what people say, That's the place
God puts you in. And I still battle with it
(15:29):
till today. Like till today, I'm like, man, like I
feel like I need to be doing something, but you
see the fruits in the house.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like you are doing something like Jackie Saw.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I tell Jackie all the time. You know, I'm gonna
be honest. I used to be the one that would
criticize the stay at home moms. I'll be honest. I
would say, you know, how hard is.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It to stay home to cook and to clean?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, Like I'm like you're cooking, you're cleaning, you're picking
up the kids, you're dropping off, Like, how hard can
this be? It is, And I've been doing it for
about a year and I'm just like, no, honestly, my
respects because where you start at six am and you
don't stop till eight nine o'clock at night, I know.
And you don't get paid for this, dude, so it's
(16:15):
like it's work.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah. No, And I saw it, and I commend you
because it's a question I've been wanting to ask you
because we've never we have never talked about it, and
my sister was just like, and it just says, you know,
it works. I respect it works for you, guys. I
see why, and I think you raising your children is
way better than someone else. Especially if JJ was crying.
There's a reason why he was crying, so he prefers
(16:37):
his dad. While you're doing what you got to do,
and you figure that out in your organizing everything, then
you guys can figure out what you do next year
the following. But I think it's definitely an amazing thing
that you're doing because I saw you wake up super early.
My sister couldn't even talk to the kid she was
in so much she just felt not so nauseous. You guys,
that's the whole other thing we can talk about another time,
(16:58):
but her experience. But it is a lot of work.
It is a lot of work. In a way. It's
kind of like, oh, just go and wake up and
go to work and come back and but staying home
because a dish a boom. That's why I was like
when I was like, I'm gonna help them watch the dish,
it like I'm gonna like, I don't want him to
worry because he was caring for my sister and then
the kids, and it's a lot. So I think I
(17:18):
personally feel that that's that's dope that you that you
could say, I'm gonna put my pride to the side,
and I f what everyone else says middle fingers up
and boom because it doesn't matter. Rudy's absolutely right. It's
what works for you, guys. And I think it's awesome
that you can go and you do what you're doing
for mom, which I know that's hard in itself. Sister.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I get home super tired.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Sometimes it's a lot, it's mentally emotionally, especially with everything
that we've been through. The past year with the family,
and I'm sure you hear it, because I'm sure she
cries at night and tells you. And it's a lot
of stress. And that's another thing, Like I say it
all the time, I'm so proud of my sister, and
like it's I was there and what it is to
my mom was here physically, like, but when I was
(18:00):
helping my mom build her her her empire, that was hard.
But even now not having her and you want to
ask her, like, Mom, what do you want? It's just
the right decision.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
That's I'm like, damn, I don't even know what she
would want.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And how like you have your business, you guys have
the Colores, you have your household, you have it's so.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Much, it is, it's a lot. I think, like I
said last time, it just takes a lot of intentionality.
I think with mom in the business, there's been a
lot of science, which I'm so grateful because I get peace.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
But then you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Of drama as well, and I have I think this
year has been not bringing that stuff home, yeah, you know,
and not checking out at home because I'm so tired
from the day and so emotionally drained or mentally drained.
And Tanya told me the other day, like, you, I
think you've checked out a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You've got to be intentional.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
At home, yeah, and keep us like this together. So
it's like, all right, pulling energy from I don't know where,
to ask the kids how they were, and help with
this and just different things. But I really I've been
trying not to bring the emotional stress home, yeah, because
(19:15):
you know, I mean, Tanya told me once that the
mom is like the brings changes the energy at home.
So thermostat, Yes, it's the thermostat of the home, and
if I'm not okay, then everyone else is going to
feel it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Damn. Yeah, and that's a lot of pressure. Maybe huh,
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
But I do want to say, you know, publicly as well,
and I've said it to her privately, that she's doing
a great job, that I'm proud of her as her husband,
Like I see the cleanup that she did with the company, dude,
like like it's almost like she threw almost everything out
and it's like we need to rebuild from ground up.
(19:50):
And I see that and I've helped her with some
of that too. Like we're at the office trying to
organize files correctly and things that you you can just
tell from Casello. I don't know, Masasi. And like eight o'clock,
nine o'clock at night, kids there they're eating in the
in the breakroom or in the in the conference room
(20:12):
while we're doing putting the files away or whatever. And
it's like, man, and then I'm just I'm proud of
her because I even see like it's silly, but even
in like the quality of the shirts, I'm just like,
this is way better.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Everything's better. It's good. Okay. So I I just my
my little sister. Guys grew up. That's really that's all
I can say. Like I grew a pair. It's just
like I'm like I even said it. I think the
other day I was like this, she's now the big sister.
And that's how I feel. It's like sometimes I'm like, Okay,
this is my sister's position. I respect her. I respect it,
(20:46):
like and I want to say thank you to you too, honestly, Mike,
for for allowing her, because this is a huge thank
you for letting her take on this responsibility for all
of us, you know, for my for all of us
from my mother because it is it is. It was
a mess, and it's still kind of. We have a
lot of work. There's a lot of stuff, you guys,
stuff that we've never talked about that I don't know
(21:06):
if we ever will talk about publicly, but only if
it's necessary, only if it's necessary.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'm not going to speak details. But even Jackie saw,
like I saw certain files where I saw and I
saw how generous my mother in law was, and I
even just started crying because I'm like, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, an.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I I do want to say I'm grateful for Mike
because I felt when coming in it's yeah, yess, I
felt unsure of myself and my abilities. But then also
as a mom, it's like I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Only used to being home with my kids.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I mean I worked from home and the coloratas and
stuff like that, and he's definitely just having that peace
of mind really allows me to keep myself focused at
work into and the decisions that need to be made,
whether it's JRF for Jerry.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
But you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Grateful because he's he's even definitely he's grown, like he's
learned to cook, you know, not all the big.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Things, but you know he can make some mac and cheese.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
He makes a killer, a killer uh, strilled cheese. Things good.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah, so he's that. You know, I'm just proud And
it might not look normal.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
What people say, but it's really what's best for us
and and that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That's all that matters. And the kids are happier, and.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
They really are.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
They're doing better in school, Like it just kind of
goes to show the need of a father in the home. Yes,
you know, like they're doing so good in school, they
know how to express themselves better, Like they're so trustworthy.
We have Jayla is a teenager now, and you would
think this is the time where it's gonna get really
hard because boys and just whatever and drugs and all
(22:49):
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But she's extremely open. And I've even come to see
like she's more open with him that I was.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
That they tell him everything. Yes, oh in this guy,
and he did that and he has a whole conversation.
I'm listening and I'm like, damn, the kids really like
there of him. Yeah. Does it make you feel any
type of way, like a little I don't know, jealousy or.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Like, no, honestly, it does. Sometimes I've had moments where I've.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Felt very like outside, like I get home and I
feel like I don't belong.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
And I've thought about like Mom, like if she's had
ever felt that way, but that's with me. Yeah, Like
it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Sometimes and then obviously with my my sessions with Tanya,
she's just she's like no, like you just got to
fight that and ask them and then they're they're dying
to talk about it. So it's like a little battle
that I've had to learn as a full time working mom.
It's like, Okay, how do I how do I get
myself back into the family mode. So yeah, but there's
(23:45):
moments it's it's hard, and I've thought of Mom. I'm like, man,
I can't I kind of get what she might have
been feeling, especially if she left for the weekends and
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And she did and I didn't understand that then. And
I when she asked me to move out, and she's like,
I just want my home to feel like my home.
I want my kids to feel like my kids. Because
it was obviously this is a marriage very different, but
like I felt like in a way that was like
a marriage. She was the husband, yeah, and I was
the wife and I stayed home and the kids, and
it's like I would lay down the rules and then
she would come and it's like, what do you mean,
(24:14):
Like I took away his iPad because he's been a
bad boy, but but I haven't seen him. Yeah, so
it's just like I get that, you know what I mean.
So I was wondering. I was like, it's very different,
but no, mom felt that way where I was like,
now I get it. Now, I'm like, damn, I get it.
It was but it was more of like.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
She felt left out.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
She felt left out, you know. But that's why I'm
glad that you guys are communication. Communication. That's what I
was gonna ask you for a marriage now that in
your second marriage, your new marriage. What are the like,
the best advice that you can give us that are
trying to make things work. You just said communication. That's huge.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I think that's personage.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
What's another one's always right?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
No, yes, but no, I think it's definitely communication.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
But more communication when you don't feel like.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
It, there's gonna be there's like there's sometimes there's moments
where you're like I don't even but that those are
the moments you should push through the most I feel
a lot of forgiveness because you have to remember, like
I thought, just because I had met him at church,
he was gonna be like the perfect guy and he
was gonna have it all together.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
But he comes with baggage.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I come with baggage, and you have to be ready
to like be ready to forgive because they're not gonna
be perfect. They're gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna make mistakes,
so definitely, I think. And then intentionality, especially now, like
because he's tired for me with the kids all day,
I'm tired for being at work. But it's like intentionality
and our personal relationship. Just because we're taking care of
kids together doesn't mean we're building our marriage.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Right, So you guys still have to find that time for.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You Yeah, which is a little hard sometimes, you know,
because I decided to move all the way far far away,
so I don't how my siblings to help take.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Care of the kids.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But I mean, we gotta figure that out, Tanya and Rue,
he really taught us that date nights don't mean date
nights to get out of your house. That means like
just turn off the TV and talk to each other,
play a game.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, Okay, Yeah, yeah night, is that go out again? Okay? Cool?
Just just be together?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, without our phones, That's that's a big thing.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
And have you, sister, ever thought of in this whole
almost two years of being the CEO, have you thought
I've never asked you this, but have you read that
I I don't want to do this. I want to quit?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Probably a handful of times.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Okay, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I think it's then it's mostly emotional. Okay, that's mostly
like I just can't deal with the emotional stress. The
there's really hard decisions that need to be made, and
I'm like, I wish someone else could make these. I
wish it wasn't me. So I have thought and I've prayed.
I'm like, Okay, when how long am I going to
be doing this for?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Is this forever? Is this just an assignment for this moment?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Okay? Because I don't want you to like give up
on your vit. Yeah, so I've I really need you
to like that to decide a bit, but just a
little bit. But I'm still working on Like I've recorded
a few things when I have time could And this
year is definitely the year, you know, my album's coming out.
Thank God. I can't wait for you guys to listen
to it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So I'm also going to have to get used to
like whatever change comes to readjust again.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And also to say, Okay, you're organizing, and it took
a long time to organize and put everything the right
way and situate it. But once you have those people,
I've told you it's okay, then you delegate and you're
supervising and you could still do you and do your family.
Because I think you don't want to live with Oh,
Mom doesn't want that for you. I can tell you
right now. I know Mom, Okay, we all know, but
(27:40):
I feel like Mom would say I need you. She
wanted you to be on that stay. She wanted you
to sing, she wanted you to She wants all of
us to do what we want to do, you know. So,
and I know you never have to worry about all
of us or we all of us, and I can
probably speak for all of your siblings as well, like
we're gonna be fine with it. We want you to
be happy, you know what I mean, Like your family
is important. So I wanted to say that. And the
(28:02):
sister if there's anything a piece of advice as far
as like what not to do in a relationship, like
something that is like don't do this or anything like.
For instance, for me, I have a problem with when
I'm upset, I bring up stuff that happened in the
(28:23):
past that you hurt my feelings about you have it
and that's not good. Tanya's like, huh uh, yeah, she
gotta faget. Yeah, She's like, you need to stop doing that.
And I said, okay, So that's like my little card.
I was like, well, you did this, and this is
why I'm like this, and I'm like mad and I'm
sad and you know, but for me, that's that is
there one that you guys have.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I mean I used to be like that. To be
honest with you, I could definitely hold a grudge for
quite some time. Still do, but through counseling and mentorship,
you know, they kind of open your eyes to realize,
like why you're doing that, And when you realize you're
doing that, you're like, oh man, that's kind of childish
and petty of me. So then it forces you to change.
(29:05):
But you know, we all have we all go through
our process and we all go through our growth at
our own time. So it's almost like I'm not judging
anyone else for doing it, you know. For me, it's
just almost like like it's crazy, like if I don't know,
Like like the other day, Jayla was like, man, that
(29:26):
everyone knows the password to your phone, and I said
everyone in this household. I said, everyone in this household.
And why because I'm not hiding anything, so you guys
can go through my phone at any time when you
want and go for it, you know. And she just
kind of looks at it, looks at me, and she's like, Okay,
whatever da And for her it's like whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Not.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But but I know in the future one day she's
going to look back at that and be like, Wow,
there's there's transparency there exactly. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And that's what I see in you too, Mike, Like
where you for you even saying like, you know what,
I'm still working on this, I was this way that
I don't. We had a conversation a few months ago
and we talked about it, and I was like, Dude,
that shows growth when we can say, hey, I'm not perfect,
I've messed up. I have to up here like that.
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah. No, And I even noticed it, like when you
were opening the show or the episodever, like, well, I
even tell Jackie it recently in a conversation that we
were having, I said, with me, talk to me straightforward,
like tell me like, hey, you did this wrong, or
I don't trust because of this. Tell me, because you know,
(30:32):
I'm not afraid to see or to hear that and
see if maybe I am wrong or maybe I can
help heal you for you thinking what you're thinking, you know,
because we're afraid to say, like for example, you know,
if she she's afraid that I'm being in faithful, she
might be afraid to ask the question. Well, I don't
want to ask him if he because he's just going
to straight up li to me and to me, I'm like,
(30:54):
be honest, like, if that's the fear you have, ask
me and then we and then like you'll be able
to see it either in his in the reflection and
how he responds like you know, and go for it,
like you know, my mom used to say, so I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And my mom always used to say, ask asking you
will learn. Don't be that little girl that's scared to
lift your hand. Always ask questions, you know. So it's
like it's true you gotta ask in order to know.
So okay, sister, so you could be doing anything and everything. Okay,
you could have said no, I don't want to do this,
CEO Jr. E. Because whatever reasons, why did you say yes?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Well?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I prayed a lot about it because it was going
to be a sacrifice on many different levels. And I
felt God say it was actually an analogy of like
a basketball in our hands is nothing, but in the
hands of Lebron James, it's millions and millions of dollars.
And I felt God say, this company, in the right
(32:00):
hands will be blessed abundantly. And I really felt like, Okay,
it's gonna be hard, and it's gonna help me grow,
and it has helped me grow. I felt Mom so
close like teaching me really to grow.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
But it's I feel like.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
It's gonna be blessed because it's going to be in
there finally in the right hands.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
And that's not just me the right hands.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
But us. Yeah, and you've been really good with involving
us and everything. I think you've been so great with that.
You think you're doing a great job, sister, And I'm
sorry for everything that has happened and publicly and so
much crap that has been said. And you know, just
for the record, did anyone force you to do this job?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
No one forced me to do this job, and no
one forced me to sue anyone.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
It was the right decision that needed to be made.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay, sister, Okay, great, because for some reason everyone thinks
I forced you and that I'm the big bad witch
that is like, do this, Jackie, and do this. Johnny
and Jenica you say this, and Mikey you be a penis,
And no, it was not me. You guys kids, and
they're not kids. They're grown as hell. Johnny's twenty three.
They're grown. They have You guys have always had a
(33:07):
mind of your own. And I'm just I'm here and
I respect them, and if I'm like, hey, this seems
a little weird, at the end of the day, you
have a mind of your own, and you have grown
so much in so many different ways. You're so different
for the better. You've grown in every way, and I
just I wanted to kind of say that because I'm
just like sometimes I'm like, oh, I wanted to out
and safe, get on alive and just go to people's houses,
(33:30):
and I'm like ah, because but I'm like, okay, I'm
gonna compose. You gotta trust God.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Trust God, and he knows everything.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
And just for the record, when I was thinking about this,
because just the decision to do the lawsuit was not easy,
I think for any of us.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, it was very hard.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
There was days where it's like, let's do this, and
there was days like I can't. This is crazy. But
you're the one that told me.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Let's just pray about it. Let's pray a little bit,
and we did. We gave it a whole year.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So a whole year, you guys, And so I just
you know, you can't talk about the details, obviously, because
we're going to leave that in the hands of the
law and we're just trying to do things as right
as possible. I know some people might think, oh my god,
they're stealing their grandpa. It's so much. It's beyond that.
And unfortunately, a lot of our family has been a
lot very business and fortunately or unfortunately, what's right is right,
(34:18):
and Mom worked very hard for myself and my siblings,
and it is what it is. People want to understand
it until.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
They know the detail, and it comes down to whether
you're healthy or not. And I think when you're not healthy,
it's when you make it personal like it's family. But
if you take the titles away, if you take away grandpa,
and if you take away granddaughter, and you really find
out what's going on. Wait, this deal didn't pay this deal?
Well that's wrong. It's that simple. But because of years
(34:47):
and we're healing from us, right like from us, and
I could only imagine they have to go through their
healing because so many things happen and they thought that
was the right way to do business back then. But
it's like no, so but then it's like take away
that from someone that was used to that and it
you know, like it's just it's gonna happen because they.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Had so much in their hands and so much power
that didn't take it from them, and it's like listen,
the monster comes out, you know what I mean. And
it's like we go back to what we've talked about
toxic loyalty, which you know, we can't get into it
too much right now, but that's it's like we can't
be have toxic loyalty, like we got to do what
is right and they have to do what is right,
you know. So anyways, that's the whole other episode. You guys.
(35:30):
But I think you're up. Your podcast is great.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Good.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yes, Okay, So Mike, I have a question for you. Now,
what because I'm assuming that in your household, like therapy
wasn't a thing or was it like counseling? No, okay,
what was it that made you like reach out to
like Tanya? I mean, because thank God you found her
now we all benefit, But like, what do you feel like,
(35:54):
especially because again being a man, being a Latino man,
and men can be in arist or feel like no,
I don't need help, I'm no I got this or
what in you or what was it or what was
the moment the straw that broke the Cavil's back that
was like I gotta do this.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Oh well, I was devastated for sure, being separated from
my wife from the kids. And there was like many
nights where, you know, being honest, I would go to
sleep crying, like I'm crying for and I've told Jackie this,
Like there was days where I'm literally crying in my
bed and I'm praying to God and I'm telling God,
(36:32):
one day I'm going to have my wife back in
this bed with me. And it was tough moments. But
my sister was the one that actually told me. She's
like call this lady, like just find like because she
also heard her testimony. So then I called her and
I started having sessions and I started going through starting
(36:52):
feelings with her. And it's hard because you're fighting what
you were taught as a Latino man, like you know
losmeres no yoran or don't feel or this, and then
you have to I started coming to a realization like wait,
I'm a different type of guy than other guys, Like
I do allow myself to think and feel and sometimes
(37:13):
I even tell myself like, man, you're a little bit
too much. But I'm like that's the gift God has
given me, Like that's who I am, and I have
to embrace that. So through one of my sessions with Tanya,
she told me to write a letter to Jackie. So
I started writing a letter to Jackie and she said,
you know, write the things that you're sorry for or
(37:34):
things that or how you treated her. So I started
writing this letter and then I finished it, and then
the next session, Tanya said, all right, read it to me.
And then when I started reading it, that's what really
impacted me. To like it clicks something in me to
say I need to start changing because in my letter,
I was apologizing to my wife and I'm not crying
(37:57):
because I haven't healed from it. I'm crying just because
as like I remember that, and I'm like, man, I was,
I was a jerk for suppressing her, for telling her
that people only wanted to hear her because she's Jennie
Rivera's daughter, for telling her she's a bad mom. And
(38:21):
then Tanya said, would you want your daughters to marry
a man like that? And that's when I'm like, no,
like I would not. So then that kind of hit
me to be like, well, she's someone's daughter. And that's
when I said, Okay, now I gotta change this. I
gotta start treating and and it just honestly, that was
a transformation that God really did in me. And he said, hey, Mike,
(38:44):
instead of speaking these words of death to your family,
start speaking words of life. And it was hard because
I never grew up hearing that from my dad to
anyone or or aunts and uncles, nothing, so and as
I started doing it, it started becoming a little bit
more normal. And now like I'm just so grateful with God,
(39:06):
because I'm like, wow, like I can, I can tell her.
I'm proud of her, and I couldn't before. It's weird,
but it's just like that was a transformation that really helped,
you know, And that's why counseling it's very important.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's very important. You guys, therapy, We're huge, and that
this is this is the fruit of seeking counseling and therapy.
And I'm just I can't even say it enough. I'm
so proud you guys, Like this is thank you, This
is awesome, and I am so grateful that you guys
took the time to come because I know you guys
have the kids and it's kind of far, but I'm
so grateful. So you guys before you leave. Okay, so
(39:43):
the Mac Effect, Yeah is the podcast you guys' Instagram?
Do you guys want to share it so people can
follow you guys and follow your journey and stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Okay, I'm Jackie Rivera only because that's my artist's name,
not because I'm not proud of the campus.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
On Instagram and everything else.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, but Jackie with a cue.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Sorry, Yeah, I've never told people, Yeah, follow me on Instagram,
So just say if you find me you find me
in That's great.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I like that, so I am proud. I love you guys,
and thank you for giving me beautiful, wonderful nieces and nephews.
I love them so much. There have great kids, all right,
cool and Jennia will help me. Not just gonna sho Jens. Anyways,
you guys, thank you so much and I will catch
you on the next episode of Chiekis and True. Do
(40:30):
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Through marriage. Now that in your second marriage, your new marriage,
what are the like, the best advice that you can
give us that are trying to make things work.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I think it's definitely communication, but more communication when you
don't feel like it.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I used to be the one that would criticize the
stay at whole month. I'll be honest, and I've been
doing it for about a year and I'm just like, no, honestly,
my respects. You start at six am and you don't
stop till eight nine o'clock at night, and you don't
get paid for this, dude.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hello you guys, and welcome to season three of Cheeky's
and Chill in our brand new set. You guys right up,
applause for that. I'm so excited. This is our very
first episode and I am grateful when I have like
little cards of that we are elevating this so to
start this very first episode the third season, thanks to
(01:02):
you guys, To all the listeners, thank you so much.
I have a very special actually two very special guests.
One of them have been on the pod before. She
is a entrepreneur, she is a singer, she is a
CEO a very important company. She's a mommy, she's a wife,
and she's my sister, Jacqueline, Jacqueline rivera compos and her husband,
(01:27):
Mike compos You guys, a round of applause for them.
Everyone at home clap too. And I'm just kidding. Just
be careful. But anyways, you guys, thank you so much
for coming, Thank you for staying here.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Of course, the colors are warm, right, very cute. Yes,
exactly because you guys actually we're talking about this and
and thank you because I wanted it to be very
warm and homey and for it to give you like
a nice little just warm hub. Yes, and talking about that,
there's a few things that I'm going to talk to
(01:59):
my sister, sure and Mike about. I call Mike my
bro or you know, that's my homie. But I don't
want to talk too much about a certain subject about
their relationship because, as many of you may know, or
maybe you don't know, Jackie and Mike, you guys have
been married for how long, eleven years in total, eleven
years in total. They just got remarried. They just renewed
(02:20):
their vowels and that was beautiful. I have to I
have to say, you guys have had a blast ethnic wedding.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Sister, your speech was amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Really, I don't remember. I was. I was a little buzzed,
but it was so funny because let me, can I
be honest, the first wedding it was. I was like, okay,
let me tell you, guys. The first wedding there was
no alcohol. No, there was only Christian.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
We got married on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
They got married on a Wednesday. My mom and I.
I think stuff was getting a little weird between my
mom and I then, so it was the tension was weird. Anyways, Fine,
it was, it was great, but this one was so
much better.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And I mean it was. It's very completely different.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I did.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Like an alto.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So is it safe to say that you guys were
more religious back then? Yes? And the mindset by the rules,
living by the rules, which is there's a difference between
like religion and being a person of faith. Yes, right,
relations explained that real quick. I don't know who wants
to go first, but you guys.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Well very you know. I'll let Jackie explain it more
in details. But back then it was more taught if
you act a certain way out like if I look
better outside outwardly, then then that makes you a good Christian.
So that's why our first wedding you can kind of
see there was a lot of like, let's make sure
(03:38):
it looks good. But then at that time I didn't
know what was more important was the inside.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So yeah, the relationship exactly, which I see a huge
difference in you, Mike in so many different ways, you guys,
because we're going to talk a little bit. And again,
the whole point that I was saying was we can't
talk too much. We don't want to talk too much
about the depth of the relationship because they've gone through
a lot and they got remarried and they're just two
completely different people. Their relationship is completely different. Because Mike,
(04:05):
my brother in law here, is going to come out
with his own actually already came out with his own podcast.
His podcast is called what is it called? I want
him to introduce it.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
It's embarrassing to be proud. Well, in the process, I'm
working in my own self confidence and stuff like that.
But it's actually going to be called the Mac effect.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So the Mac effect, you guys. So I think I
think it's awesome, but it's also because those are your initials.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Those are my initials.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Because he's a mac.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Daddy, but he ain't no mac daddy, Okay, And then
what are you going to talk about on that podcast?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, the purpose for it at first, because I already
have I actually sat down with my wife and I
asked for her help as far as you know, helped
me how to schedule the first season. So I already
have the first ten episodes as far as what we're
going to discuss. But the purpose of it is to
help other men. I really want to help men because
(05:00):
I feel like we don't get that help. Like it's
not easy for a man to say, hey, you know what,
I'm struggling in my marriage or I'm struggling.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
As a man, especially as latinos han. Yeah, I'm a cheesemoll.
There's a little bit of yeah pride.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh and I'm still going through it now. So that's
kind of the purpose. And then if it branches off
to other stuff, you know, for marriages and things like that,
then let's go for it, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And yeah, you guys are going to talk about all
the because there were so many things that were said
and not even said but made up too about your guys'
relationship and just a lot of stuff. I'm shure, you
guys are going to talk about that, which I think
is super cool because you it should come out of
you guys, and this is your relationship and you guys
should do it together, which I think is awesome. So
(05:44):
congratulations on that, bro. I think that's awesome. I think
that that's what I do here on the podcast. I'm
very honest and about everything, and that's the only way
is to change lives is if we're honest and well
exactly being vulnerable. There's so much power and being vulnerable.
So I think that that's great, especially being a voice
for Latino men in general. I mean there, I think
we there's so many taboos, you know, and all this stuff.
(06:06):
So so I think that's great. I wish you the
very best, and maybe one day I can go on
your podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Dude, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Okay, well, all right, we're gonna go to mac Daddy's.
I mean, not mac Daddy's, the Mac Effect. Okay. So
I don't even know. I didn't really have too much
planned as to what we wanted to talk about, because
there's so much to talk about. I do want to
kind of and I'm glad that that Mike is here
because we've had, we've been on the on the podcast,
and we've talked about different things, even on Janica's podcast
(06:33):
over Comfort You guys check those episodes out as well,
because we had very deep conversations on there as well.
I know. Anyways, we're such cribaby and media always says,
I mean, I was like, you and Jackie are like
like so much alike. It's crazy. We're like goofy and
silly and like.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
The voice everything everything is true.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So this is you, guys. Raised Yeah, So okay, So
I wanted to talk to you about first of all,
the mom makeover okay, which I was there. Yes, I
helped out, but I have to tell you guys, and
I said this on Thanksgiving again, I was drinking the case.
I don't remember too, but it was awesome because I've
(07:15):
seen the change in your guys' relationship and in both
of you, but I got to experience it firsthand being
there helping take care of you. Yeah, and I love
that he was like this is my wife. Like he
was like on it, you know what I mean, And
like even the first day you're like, I respected like, hey,
do you need me there? The very first day you're
like okay, no, like I think it's it was beautiful.
(07:37):
But anyways, I got there helping her out. But dude,
let me tell you, guys, the patience of this man
that I was, like, whoa asked that melanim It gives
me emotional because it gets me emotional because he was
very different. And he'll tell you guys about this on
his podcast. He's going to be like, but he was
very different. I mean even you sister were very pa
(08:00):
You're very different. Now it's I see it. It's a
very strong relationship. But the fact that he was taking
care of my sister and was wiping her booty and everything,
like was patient to I don't know how this guy
did it. I don't know how he did it because
he would wake up and take the kids to school
and and he would make them their their pack, their
lunch and the breakfast and take some and then come
(08:21):
back and pick up the other one and then take
care of my sister. And it was just I'm glad
of that Janica and I because it wasn't just me.
Janica also helped out that you freaking were there, dude,
and the way that you're loving my sister, like I
can tell you that I'm so grateful that you guys
have stayed together and have four beautiful children, you know,
and I'm very proud of you guys. I have to
say it. And what I said on Thanksgiving, and I
(08:43):
don't really remember what it was, but I know it
was about your relationship. But like this guy and I
was crying.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
I think, I think you're really grateful for him.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
People. I'm grateful for you to. I'm grateful for you,
and I'm proud of where you guys have come and
how long you guys and how hard you guys have
both worked for this relationship and you guys, you guys
have Can I say who your therapists are? Your counselors? Okay,
because Tanya, who's also been on the podcast, you guys.
I met Tanya because of my sister and Tanya, and
(09:14):
I think I kind of touched on it a little bit.
So my sister gave me five sessions to Tanya for
Christmas and was it a Christmas for my birthday? Was
my birthday? One of the best gifts ever, you guys,
And from there developed we had like a like I mean,
she's helped me out so much with so many things,
and now she is also and Rudy is now Tanya's
(09:37):
husband is also now a medial s life coach, so
it's going to be. They did a whole two hour
session the other day. He came to dude, I'm blown away.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I am mentor.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He's your mentor. Yeah, so that's who helped you, guys
your relationship. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, first, Tanya was his therapist before I started going.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I started going. We were separated because I you, I
needed the help, so I started going to Tanya before
and then uh, and it was just crazy, like Tanya
really blessed me because her testimony is insane. And then uh,
and then I don't know, out of the boose, I
convinced her again to give you another shot. And while
(10:17):
we were talking, I said, well, I told her like, hey,
if we're going to try this again, like we're going
to do things differently, which is we're definitely getting counseling,
like we're not doing this alone. And those were some sessions.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Wow, dude, so it came from you. I didn't know this.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
See you guys, Okay, see like there's I'm a I'm
a huge advocate for for for therapy. You guys, I
always say so thanks to Mike, he's the one that
introduced us to Tany. They're amazing breath of a breath
of breath of breath of life. You guys, so if
you want to check them out, But okay, so that's
awesome and you guys still go with them. Yeah, it's
(10:56):
it's I think it's do you think like it's in
life thing that that well we're gonna need.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I think definitely, just because we have different seasons in
our life. I mean there's different curve balls that life
throws at us, and you you just need that sounding
board to get it all off.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Sometimes you're gonna feel really amazing. Sometimes you're just gonna
be like, no, I need to go back, And there's
nothing wrong with that. Yeah, It's not like you get
better and then that's it.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You're good for life.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah. I feel it's kind of like a like a
like a car. We need a sign change, we need
to fine tuning exactly because I think for sure it's
something that I want to do for the rest of
my life. And now you know it's premarital counseling that
I there are things that you know, I'm realizing and
I'm not perfect right. You know, I thought I was okay,
So it's like, okay, Emilio's so patient. He's just so different.
I mean, you should have them on your podcast too,
(11:40):
that would be awesome, so you guys would talk about
that would be cool. How is the relationship now that
you're CEO, Like, has it been Has it been tough? Honestly?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I think, I mean, I think there's moments that make
it tough.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And I'm CEO of January Enterprises by the way, just
in case anyone doesn't know that's our mom anyways.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I think there's moments that are tough just because I'm
I'm totally like not Mike is taking care of the home,
so there's growth that he.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Had to learn, and then there I had to let
go in order for me to take care of Jerry.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
But it's a lot of checking in and when we
got to talk, and sometimes being intentional about having those
meetings is the tough part. Like it takes a lot
of intentionality because we can get a disconnect and you
don't want that. I don't want to get into a
routine and then check out of my home because I'm
trying to take care of this.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So you're being smart.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
There's a lot of intentionality that's needed.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay, So when you say take care of the home, like,
what do you mean? Like he I saw it, So
I mean he you take.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Care of everything he does. He's significed a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, And that's what I wanted to ask you, because again,
being a Latino man, how is that?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, there's and I'll go more into depth, you know
some other time, either here mine or it doesn't matter.
But what's crazy is just that you know, there's there's
past trauma that we're still living through or we were
living through. So just to kind of give a little
bit of an example in our I always say in
our first marriage because we're in our second one, you know,
(13:19):
but in our first marriage, we kind of tried the
I quit my job and I was trying to pursue
real estate at that time. And at that time, real
estate is just like it's infested with agents, Like everyone
has a THEO or a THEA or someone that's in
real estate. So it's just it's hard. And then it
(13:40):
wasn't working for us, and that's when we kind of
started having our hardship, and that's when we broke up.
When we separated, So then coming back together. I was working,
She's working, and then we get hit with the hey,
you know, Jerry's coming. I'm gonna start working for my mom.
It's gonna become serious. What do we do? And we
start noticing the kids are just everywhere because I was
(14:02):
so busy at work, she was busy at work, and
we had a nanny or a babysitter, but like JJ
when he would go to the babysitter, he would just
start crying like he didn't like it.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah, which made that for six months.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, yeah, first, so it was it was quite some time.
And then eventually I just told her, I said, hey, look,
I'll be honest, like at my job too, I'm unhappy
because it's it's always I was a recruiter, and it's
always it's always like get more people, get more people
like nunka. It's never enough, so there's always demand, demand, demand.
So then I'm like, I'm not happy with that, like
(14:37):
I you know, I'm not, and we just kind of
both felt like should you stay home? And then I
dedicate myself into this full time, which.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
For for us it's it was hard.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
It seemed like it was going to be the best
thing for our family, but it was also carried trauma
from from what happened the first time. So it's like
we had to intentionally heal those things that way we
can do this because it felt like we both had
an understanding that this is what needs to happen.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
But it's scary.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
It's scary. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And then and then the machismo part too, is like,
you know, you don't want people saying that you know,
it's not Montaniano and all this stuff. So I had
my sessions with Rudy and I'm like, what do you think?
And Rudy's like, Bro, if God puts you in a place,
what does it matter what people say, That's the place
God puts you in. And I still battle with it
(15:29):
till today. Like till today, I'm like, man, like I
feel like I need to be doing something, but you
see the fruits in the house.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Like you are doing something like Jackie Saw.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I tell Jackie all the time. You know, I'm gonna
be honest. I used to be the one that would
criticize the stay at home moms. I'll be honest. I
would say, you know, how hard is.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It to stay home to cook and to clean?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, Like I'm like you're cooking, you're cleaning, you're picking
up the kids, you're dropping off, Like, how hard can
this be? It is, And I've been doing it for
about a year and I'm just like, no, honestly, my
respects because where you start at six am and you
don't stop till eight nine o'clock at night, I know.
And you don't get paid for this, dude, so it's
(16:15):
like it's work.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah. No, And I saw it, and I commend you
because it's a question I've been wanting to ask you
because we've never we have never talked about it, and
my sister was just like, and it just says, you know,
it works. I respect it works for you, guys. I
see why, and I think you raising your children is
way better than someone else. Especially if JJ was crying.
There's a reason why he was crying, so he prefers
(16:37):
his dad. While you're doing what you got to do,
and you figure that out in your organizing everything, then
you guys can figure out what you do next year
the following. But I think it's definitely an amazing thing
that you're doing because I saw you wake up super early.
My sister couldn't even talk to the kid she was
in so much she just felt not so nauseous. You guys,
that's the whole other thing we can talk about another time,
(16:58):
but her experience. But it is a lot of work.
It is a lot of work. In a way. It's
kind of like, oh, just go and wake up and
go to work and come back and but staying home
because a dish a boom. That's why I was like
when I was like, I'm gonna help them watch the dish,
it like I'm gonna like, I don't want him to
worry because he was caring for my sister and then
the kids, and it's a lot. So I think I
(17:18):
personally feel that that's that's dope that you that you
could say, I'm gonna put my pride to the side,
and I f what everyone else says middle fingers up
and boom because it doesn't matter. Rudy's absolutely right. It's
what works for you, guys. And I think it's awesome
that you can go and you do what you're doing
for mom, which I know that's hard in itself. Sister.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I get home super tired.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Sometimes it's a lot, it's mentally emotionally, especially with everything
that we've been through. The past year with the family,
and I'm sure you hear it, because I'm sure she
cries at night and tells you. And it's a lot
of stress. And that's another thing, Like I say it
all the time, I'm so proud of my sister, and
like it's I was there and what it is to
my mom was here physically, like, but when I was
(18:00):
helping my mom build her her her empire, that was hard.
But even now not having her and you want to
ask her, like, Mom, what do you want? It's just
the right decision.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
That's I'm like, damn, I don't even know what she
would want.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And how like you have your business, you guys have
the Colores, you have your household, you have it's so.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Much, it is, it's a lot. I think, like I
said last time, it just takes a lot of intentionality.
I think with mom in the business, there's been a
lot of science, which I'm so grateful because I get peace.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
But then you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Of drama as well, and I have I think this
year has been not bringing that stuff home, yeah, you know,
and not checking out at home because I'm so tired
from the day and so emotionally drained or mentally drained.
And Tanya told me the other day, like, you, I
think you've checked out a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You've got to be intentional.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
At home, yeah, and keep us like this together. So
it's like, all right, pulling energy from I don't know where,
to ask the kids how they were, and help with
this and just different things. But I really I've been
trying not to bring the emotional stress home, yeah, because
(19:15):
you know, I mean, Tanya told me once that the
mom is like the brings changes the energy at home.
So thermostat, Yes, it's the thermostat of the home, and
if I'm not okay, then everyone else is going to
feel it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Damn. Yeah, and that's a lot of pressure. Maybe huh,
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
But I do want to say, you know, publicly as well,
and I've said it to her privately, that she's doing
a great job, that I'm proud of her as her husband,
Like I see the cleanup that she did with the company, dude,
like like it's almost like she threw almost everything out
and it's like we need to rebuild from ground up.
(19:50):
And I see that and I've helped her with some
of that too. Like we're at the office trying to
organize files correctly and things that you you can just
tell from Casello. I don't know, Masasi. And like eight o'clock,
nine o'clock at night, kids there they're eating in the
in the breakroom or in the in the conference room
(20:12):
while we're doing putting the files away or whatever. And
it's like, man, and then I'm just I'm proud of
her because I even see like it's silly, but even
in like the quality of the shirts, I'm just like,
this is way better.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Everything's better. It's good. Okay. So I I just my
my little sister. Guys grew up. That's really that's all
I can say. Like I grew a pair. It's just
like I'm like I even said it. I think the
other day I was like this, she's now the big sister.
And that's how I feel. It's like sometimes I'm like, Okay,
this is my sister's position. I respect her. I respect it,
(20:46):
like and I want to say thank you to you too, honestly, Mike,
for for allowing her, because this is a huge thank
you for letting her take on this responsibility for all
of us, you know, for my for all of us
from my mother because it is it is. It was
a mess, and it's still kind of. We have a
lot of work. There's a lot of stuff, you guys,
stuff that we've never talked about that I don't know
(21:06):
if we ever will talk about publicly, but only if
it's necessary, only if it's necessary.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I'm not going to speak details. But even Jackie saw,
like I saw certain files where I saw and I
saw how generous my mother in law was, and I
even just started crying because I'm like, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, an.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I I do want to say I'm grateful for Mike
because I felt when coming in it's yeah, yess, I
felt unsure of myself and my abilities. But then also
as a mom, it's like I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Only used to being home with my kids.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I mean I worked from home and the coloratas and
stuff like that, and he's definitely just having that peace
of mind really allows me to keep myself focused at
work into and the decisions that need to be made,
whether it's JRF for Jerry.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
But you know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Grateful because he's he's even definitely he's grown, like he's
learned to cook, you know, not all the big.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Things, but you know he can make some mac and cheese.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
He makes a killer, a killer uh, strilled cheese. Things good.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah, so he's that. You know, I'm just proud And
it might not look normal.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
What people say, but it's really what's best for us
and and that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That's all that matters. And the kids are happier, and.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
They really are.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
They're doing better in school, Like it just kind of
goes to show the need of a father in the home. Yes,
you know, like they're doing so good in school, they
know how to express themselves better, Like they're so trustworthy.
We have Jayla is a teenager now, and you would
think this is the time where it's gonna get really
hard because boys and just whatever and drugs and all
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that stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But she's extremely open. And I've even come to see
like she's more open with him that I was.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
That they tell him everything. Yes, oh in this guy,
and he did that and he has a whole conversation.
I'm listening and I'm like, damn, the kids really like
there of him. Yeah. Does it make you feel any
type of way, like a little I don't know, jealousy or.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Like, no, honestly, it does. Sometimes I've had moments where I've.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Felt very like outside, like I get home and I
feel like I don't belong.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
And I've thought about like Mom, like if she's had
ever felt that way, but that's with me. Yeah, Like
it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Sometimes and then obviously with my my sessions with Tanya,
she's just she's like no, like you just got to
fight that and ask them and then they're they're dying
to talk about it. So it's like a little battle
that I've had to learn as a full time working mom.
It's like, Okay, how do I how do I get
myself back into the family mode. So yeah, but there's
(23:45):
moments it's it's hard, and I've thought of Mom. I'm like, man,
I can't I kind of get what she might have
been feeling, especially if she left for the weekends and
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And she did and I didn't understand that then. And
I when she asked me to move out, and she's like,
I just want my home to feel like my home.
I want my kids to feel like my kids. Because
it was obviously this is a marriage very different, but
like I felt like in a way that was like
a marriage. She was the husband, yeah, and I was
the wife and I stayed home and the kids, and
it's like I would lay down the rules and then
she would come and it's like, what do you mean,
(24:14):
Like I took away his iPad because he's been a
bad boy, but but I haven't seen him. Yeah, so
it's just like I get that, you know what I mean.
So I was wondering. I was like, it's very different,
but no, mom felt that way where I was like,
now I get it. Now, I'm like, damn, I get it.
It was but it was more of like.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
She felt left out.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
She felt left out, you know. But that's why I'm
glad that you guys are communication. Communication. That's what I
was gonna ask you for a marriage now that in
your second marriage, your new marriage. What are the like,
the best advice that you can give us that are
trying to make things work. You just said communication. That's huge.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I think that's personage.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
What's another one's always right?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
No, yes, but no, I think it's definitely communication.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
But more communication when you don't feel like.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
It, there's gonna be there's like there's sometimes there's moments
where you're like I don't even but that those are
the moments you should push through the most I feel
a lot of forgiveness because you have to remember, like
I thought, just because I had met him at church,
he was gonna be like the perfect guy and he
was gonna have it all together.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
But he comes with baggage.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I come with baggage, and you have to be ready
to like be ready to forgive because they're not gonna
be perfect. They're gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna make mistakes,
so definitely, I think. And then intentionality, especially now, like
because he's tired for me with the kids all day,
I'm tired for being at work. But it's like intentionality
and our personal relationship. Just because we're taking care of
kids together doesn't mean we're building our marriage.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Right, So you guys still have to find that time for.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
You Yeah, which is a little hard sometimes, you know,
because I decided to move all the way far far away,
so I don't how my siblings to help take.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Care of the kids.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
But I mean, we gotta figure that out, Tanya and Rue,
he really taught us that date nights don't mean date
nights to get out of your house. That means like
just turn off the TV and talk to each other,
play a game.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, Okay, Yeah, yeah night, is that go out again? Okay? Cool?
Just just be together?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, without our phones, That's that's a big thing.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
And have you, sister, ever thought of in this whole
almost two years of being the CEO, have you thought
I've never asked you this, but have you read that
I I don't want to do this. I want to quit?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Probably a handful of times.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Okay, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I think it's then it's mostly emotional. Okay, that's mostly
like I just can't deal with the emotional stress. The
there's really hard decisions that need to be made, and
I'm like, I wish someone else could make these. I
wish it wasn't me. So I have thought and I've prayed.
I'm like, Okay, when how long am I going to
be doing this for?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Is this forever? Is this just an assignment for this moment?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Okay? Because I don't want you to like give up
on your vit. Yeah, so I've I really need you
to like that to decide a bit, but just a
little bit. But I'm still working on Like I've recorded
a few things when I have time could And this
year is definitely the year, you know, my album's coming out.
Thank God. I can't wait for you guys to listen
to it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
So I'm also going to have to get used to
like whatever change comes to readjust again.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And also to say, Okay, you're organizing, and it took
a long time to organize and put everything the right
way and situate it. But once you have those people,
I've told you it's okay, then you delegate and you're
supervising and you could still do you and do your family.
Because I think you don't want to live with Oh,
Mom doesn't want that for you. I can tell you
right now. I know Mom, Okay, we all know, but
(27:40):
I feel like Mom would say I need you. She
wanted you to be on that stay. She wanted you
to sing, she wanted you to She wants all of
us to do what we want to do, you know. So,
and I know you never have to worry about all
of us or we all of us, and I can
probably speak for all of your siblings as well, like
we're gonna be fine with it. We want you to
be happy, you know what I mean, Like your family
is important. So I wanted to say that. And the
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sister if there's anything a piece of advice as far
as like what not to do in a relationship, like
something that is like don't do this or anything like.
For instance, for me, I have a problem with when
I'm upset, I bring up stuff that happened in the
(28:23):
past that you hurt my feelings about you have it
and that's not good. Tanya's like, huh uh, yeah, she
gotta faget. Yeah, She's like, you need to stop doing that.
And I said, okay, So that's like my little card.
I was like, well, you did this, and this is
why I'm like this, and I'm like mad and I'm
sad and you know, but for me, that's that is
there one that you guys have.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I mean I used to be like that. To be
honest with you, I could definitely hold a grudge for
quite some time. Still do, but through counseling and mentorship,
you know, they kind of open your eyes to realize,
like why you're doing that, And when you realize you're
doing that, you're like, oh man, that's kind of childish
and petty of me. So then it forces you to change.
(29:05):
But you know, we all have we all go through
our process and we all go through our growth at
our own time. So it's almost like I'm not judging
anyone else for doing it, you know. For me, it's
just almost like like it's crazy, like if I don't know,
Like like the other day, Jayla was like, man, that
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everyone knows the password to your phone, and I said
everyone in this household. I said, everyone in this household.
And why because I'm not hiding anything, so you guys
can go through my phone at any time when you
want and go for it, you know. And she just
kind of looks at it, looks at me, and she's like, Okay,
whatever da And for her it's like whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Not.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But but I know in the future one day she's
going to look back at that and be like, Wow,
there's there's transparency there exactly. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And that's what I see in you too, Mike, Like
where you for you even saying like, you know what,
I'm still working on this, I was this way that
I don't. We had a conversation a few months ago
and we talked about it, and I was like, Dude,
that shows growth when we can say, hey, I'm not perfect,
I've messed up. I have to up here like that.
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah. No, And I even noticed it, like when you
were opening the show or the episodever, like, well, I
even tell Jackie it recently in a conversation that we
were having, I said, with me, talk to me straightforward,
like tell me like, hey, you did this wrong, or
I don't trust because of this. Tell me, because you know,
(30:32):
I'm not afraid to see or to hear that and
see if maybe I am wrong or maybe I can
help heal you for you thinking what you're thinking, you know,
because we're afraid to say, like for example, you know,
if she she's afraid that I'm being in faithful, she
might be afraid to ask the question. Well, I don't
want to ask him if he because he's just going
to straight up li to me and to me, I'm like,
(30:54):
be honest, like, if that's the fear you have, ask
me and then we and then like you'll be able
to see it either in his in the reflection and
how he responds like you know, and go for it,
like you know, my mom used to say, so I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And my mom always used to say, ask asking you
will learn. Don't be that little girl that's scared to
lift your hand. Always ask questions, you know. So it's
like it's true you gotta ask in order to know.
So okay, sister, so you could be doing anything and everything. Okay,
you could have said no, I don't want to do this,
CEO Jr. E. Because whatever reasons, why did you say yes?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Well?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I prayed a lot about it because it was going
to be a sacrifice on many different levels. And I
felt God say it was actually an analogy of like
a basketball in our hands is nothing, but in the
hands of Lebron James, it's millions and millions of dollars.
And I felt God say, this company, in the right
(32:00):
hands will be blessed abundantly. And I really felt like, Okay,
it's gonna be hard, and it's gonna help me grow,
and it has helped me grow. I felt Mom so
close like teaching me really to grow.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
But it's I feel like.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
It's gonna be blessed because it's going to be in
there finally in the right hands.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
And that's not just me the right hands.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
But us. Yeah, and you've been really good with involving
us and everything. I think you've been so great with that.
You think you're doing a great job, sister, And I'm
sorry for everything that has happened and publicly and so
much crap that has been said. And you know, just
for the record, did anyone force you to do this job?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
No one forced me to do this job, and no
one forced me to sue anyone.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
It was the right decision that needed to be made.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay, sister, Okay, great, because for some reason everyone thinks
I forced you and that I'm the big bad witch
that is like, do this, Jackie, and do this. Johnny
and Jenica you say this, and Mikey you be a penis,
And no, it was not me. You guys kids, and
they're not kids. They're grown as hell. Johnny's twenty three.
They're grown. They have You guys have always had a
(33:07):
mind of your own. And I'm just I'm here and
I respect them, and if I'm like, hey, this seems
a little weird, at the end of the day, you
have a mind of your own, and you have grown
so much in so many different ways. You're so different
for the better. You've grown in every way, and I
just I wanted to kind of say that because I'm
just like sometimes I'm like, oh, I wanted to out
and safe, get on alive and just go to people's houses,
(33:30):
and I'm like ah, because but I'm like, okay, I'm
gonna compose. You gotta trust God.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Trust God, and he knows everything.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
And just for the record, when I was thinking about this,
because just the decision to do the lawsuit was not easy,
I think for any of us.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, it was very hard.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
There was days where it's like, let's do this, and
there was days like I can't. This is crazy. But
you're the one that told me.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Let's just pray about it. Let's pray a little bit,
and we did. We gave it a whole year.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So a whole year, you guys, And so I just
you know, you can't talk about the details, obviously, because
we're going to leave that in the hands of the
law and we're just trying to do things as right
as possible. I know some people might think, oh my god,
they're stealing their grandpa. It's so much. It's beyond that.
And unfortunately, a lot of our family has been a
lot very business and fortunately or unfortunately, what's right is right,
(34:18):
and Mom worked very hard for myself and my siblings,
and it is what it is. People want to understand
it until.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
They know the detail, and it comes down to whether
you're healthy or not. And I think when you're not healthy,
it's when you make it personal like it's family. But
if you take the titles away, if you take away grandpa,
and if you take away granddaughter, and you really find
out what's going on. Wait, this deal didn't pay this deal?
Well that's wrong. It's that simple. But because of years
(34:47):
and we're healing from us, right like from us, and
I could only imagine they have to go through their
healing because so many things happen and they thought that
was the right way to do business back then. But
it's like no, so but then it's like take away
that from someone that was used to that and it
you know, like it's just it's gonna happen because they.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Had so much in their hands and so much power
that didn't take it from them, and it's like listen,
the monster comes out, you know what I mean. And
it's like we go back to what we've talked about
toxic loyalty, which you know, we can't get into it
too much right now, but that's it's like we can't
be have toxic loyalty, like we got to do what
is right and they have to do what is right,
you know. So anyways, that's the whole other episode. You guys.
(35:30):
But I think you're up. Your podcast is great.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Good.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yes, Okay, So Mike, I have a question for you. Now,
what because I'm assuming that in your household, like therapy
wasn't a thing or was it like counseling? No, okay,
what was it that made you like reach out to
like Tanya? I mean, because thank God you found her
now we all benefit, But like, what do you feel like,
(35:54):
especially because again being a man, being a Latino man,
and men can be in arist or feel like no,
I don't need help, I'm no I got this or
what in you or what was it or what was
the moment the straw that broke the Cavil's back that
was like I gotta do this.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Oh well, I was devastated for sure, being separated from
my wife from the kids. And there was like many
nights where, you know, being honest, I would go to
sleep crying, like I'm crying for and I've told Jackie this,
Like there was days where I'm literally crying in my
bed and I'm praying to God and I'm telling God,
(36:32):
one day I'm going to have my wife back in
this bed with me. And it was tough moments. But
my sister was the one that actually told me. She's
like call this lady, like just find like because she
also heard her testimony. So then I called her and
I started having sessions and I started going through starting
(36:52):
feelings with her. And it's hard because you're fighting what
you were taught as a Latino man, like you know
losmeres no yoran or don't feel or this, and then
you have to I started coming to a realization like wait,
I'm a different type of guy than other guys, Like
I do allow myself to think and feel and sometimes
(37:13):
I even tell myself like, man, you're a little bit
too much. But I'm like that's the gift God has
given me, Like that's who I am, and I have
to embrace that. So through one of my sessions with Tanya,
she told me to write a letter to Jackie. So
I started writing a letter to Jackie and she said,
you know, write the things that you're sorry for or
(37:34):
things that or how you treated her. So I started
writing this letter and then I finished it, and then
the next session, Tanya said, all right, read it to me.
And then when I started reading it, that's what really
impacted me. To like it clicks something in me to
say I need to start changing because in my letter,
I was apologizing to my wife and I'm not crying
(37:57):
because I haven't healed from it. I'm crying just because
as like I remember that, and I'm like, man, I was,
I was a jerk for suppressing her, for telling her
that people only wanted to hear her because she's Jennie
Rivera's daughter, for telling her she's a bad mom. And
(38:21):
then Tanya said, would you want your daughters to marry
a man like that? And that's when I'm like, no,
like I would not. So then that kind of hit
me to be like, well, she's someone's daughter. And that's
when I said, Okay, now I gotta change this. I
gotta start treating and and it just honestly, that was
a transformation that God really did in me. And he said, hey, Mike,
(38:44):
instead of speaking these words of death to your family,
start speaking words of life. And it was hard because
I never grew up hearing that from my dad to
anyone or or aunts and uncles, nothing, so and as
I started doing it, it started becoming a little bit
more normal. And now like I'm just so grateful with God,
(39:06):
because I'm like, wow, like I can, I can tell her.
I'm proud of her, and I couldn't before. It's weird,
but it's just like that was a transformation that really helped,
you know, And that's why counseling it's very important.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's very important. You guys, therapy, We're huge, and that
this is this is the fruit of seeking counseling and therapy.
And I'm just I can't even say it enough. I'm
so proud you guys, Like this is thank you, This
is awesome, and I am so grateful that you guys
took the time to come because I know you guys
have the kids and it's kind of far, but I'm
so grateful. So you guys before you leave. Okay, so
(39:43):
the Mac Effect, Yeah is the podcast you guys' Instagram?
Do you guys want to share it so people can
follow you guys and follow your journey and stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Okay, I'm Jackie Rivera only because that's my artist's name,
not because I'm not proud of the campus.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
On Instagram and everything else.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, but Jackie with a cue.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Sorry, Yeah, I've never told people, Yeah, follow me on Instagram,
So just say if you find me you find me
in That's great.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
I like that, so I am proud. I love you guys,
and thank you for giving me beautiful, wonderful nieces and nephews.
I love them so much. There have great kids, all right,
cool and Jennia will help me. Not just gonna sho Jens. Anyways,
you guys, thank you so much and I will catch
you on the next episode of Chiekis and True. Do
(40:30):
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