September 13, 2024 • 44 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe is joined by award-winning cosmetic dentist Dr. Andi-Jean Miro. Together, they talk about Dr. Andi's dental background, working alongside her mentors, excelling in a male-dominated industry and how a smile can truly change your appearance inside and out.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and
of course fun. My guest today is honestly a trailblazer
in her field. Doctor Andy Jean Moreau is award winning
and highly sought after female cosmetic dentists, and I know
(00:28):
from personal experience just how amazing and talented she is.
Her journey from working alongside her mentors in New York
City to moving to Beverly Hills and working on some
of Hollywood's best and brightest smiles is truly inspiring. Doctor
Andy is truly changing lives by transforming smiles and giving
people the self confidence they need and deserve.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So let's jump right in.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm very excited to have you on, and I wanted
to have you on because not only do I have
firsthand experience with you, but you run in a world
that I completely.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Knew nothing about.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
And it's funny because I think that people would always think, oh,
you know, Rachel's so vain, she's so like of course,
she knows about every single thing when it comes to
cosmetic anything or anything.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That it's visual or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And ironically, my teeth was not something that I really
knew anything about the world beyond teeth, Like beyond the
teeth I had that I knew you could get them whitened,
or I knew you could do this or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And when I learned about you, I was like, Okay,
I was skeptical. It was like, well, let's let's just
let's just meet.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Let's just meet, right, Let's just let's just meet, and
let's just say. The rest is history, and here you are,
and I'm excited to have you on. So I want
to talk about, first and foremost, how in what world
did you like come up that you were like, hey,
this is who I want of you when I grow up?
Or was there no world and then you just decided
(02:06):
that like late in life, right, No.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I am to tell you a lot about my personality.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
My name is obviously Andy.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I'm a girl that grew up in Brooklyn and has
a boy's name, right, And my mom always joked that, like,
I know, you can hang out with the boys.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's why I named you a boy's name.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And so growing up I had mostly male friends. Like
I never was a girls girl growing up, but I
definitely have become one and you know, growing up in Brooklyn,
I don't think that it necessarily means you're gonna end
up in Beverly Hills, California. Training people like yourself definitely
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has been quite an interesting journey. But I think, you know,
along the way, I've come across so many people in
my life that have influenced me, both positive and negative,
to be who I am today. And it's been quite
a crazy journey just being a woman in this industry,
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you know that is.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Completely male dominated. You know, I travel the world, I
teach cosmetic.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Dentistry all over the world, and when I go on
these big stages, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
All men and then me.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, And you know, I never thought of being a
woman as a limitation. I thought it that as my superpower.
I'm going to show them that I can do it
just as good, just as I can work just as hard,
and I can get to be just as successful as.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Any male in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And when I was growing up, I knew that I
wanted to be something in the medical field. I knew
that that was something I wanted, but I didn't know
that I was going to be a dentist. My mother
was a nurse. I come from a family of nurses.
I'm the first doctor than my family.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Wow, And yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's all. That's crazy, that's mad, that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's also it's also interesting that that that was your
that coming up in Brooklyn and coming up in that
that that was.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Your thought process in it.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So you know, I I'm the person. I'm the kind
of person And I know you know this already about
me because we've obviously worked together a little bit, Like
the more you tell me I can't do something, the
more I'm gonna work hard to really prove you wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And so you know, growing up, I knew.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I wanted to be in the medical field. And I
was always really crafty, Like I was the person that
was putting together puzzles. I was the person that was
like carving soap or doing weird things to be creative.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And I think it was probably a little bit of
how I housed anxiety throughout growing and through the pressure.
And I remember one day somebody saying to me, oh,
well you should look at dentistry.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And it's actually a funny story.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
My mother and father when they met their family dentist,
doctor Bill Bungjorno. You know, they would they would be
very friendly with him. And he had a front desk girl.
Her name was Laurie, and Laurie had just lost her
husband and her husband's name was Andrew. And I remember
my mom telling me the story that she came home
and they, you know, she was pregnant with me. And
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my father had gone to dinner with doctor Bjorno and
they were talking.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
About how if they would have known that he.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Was going to pass away, that they would have named
their daughter Andy. And my dad heard this, and that's
how I was named. Now, fast forward thirty years. I
go to doctor bon Jorno and I'm like, I think
I want to be a dentist.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And he's like, really, like, I've been in your life for.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
This long, and you want to be like one of
his children coming out of the room, you know?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And so I shadowed there for a few years when
I was in college. I was a Division one athlete
when I was in college, so I swam.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I'm pretty wonderful.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I was at Multitasker because I was trying to build
my resume to get into dental school. And I remember
applying to dental school and being so nervous.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I applied to sixteen schools.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I got wait listed at four and then I ended
up getting into three of the four. And it was
just pure persistence because I just don't accept the word no.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And I remember being on.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
The wait list and it was almost August and dental
school starts mid August. And I remember then getting into
UPenn and it wasn't where I wanted to be. I
wanted to be at NYU. I'm a New Yorker through
and through. I wanted to stay home.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Sidebar Pen is like the sickest school, but okay, great.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And it's super it's super well known. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Of course, that one.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Decision changed my entire life. You know, I was moving in.
This is actually a wild story.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I was moving in in Philadelphia after getting into you Penn,
and we had just signed a lease for a beautiful apartment.
It was a four story walk up and it was
the middle of summer, so it was August. We were
moving in the next day, and I remember just thinking
to myself, like, this doesn't feel like where I belong, Like.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I know I belong in NYU.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And so I was very persistent with the dean of
admissions there and I would.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Call her like I would tell you. Probably once a week.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I would call her and not like the call that
gets to the assistant, like her line I've found on
the NYU Internet, and I would call her directly and
I would say, you know, Doc, this is what I've
done this week.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I'm still like, really, Adam, and I want to go
to n YU.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And at one point she called me and she said, like,
you know what, like if I want to talk to.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You, I'm going to call you. And she hung up
on me, and I was like, oh, okay, I might
have barned that brand really quick.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And I remember the day before I was moving in
at U Penn, I wrote her an email and it
was one of the most heartfelt emails, and I just
said to her, like, I know it's been a little
bit since we've talked. I want this more than any
person you've interviewed in the last ten years. If there
is a chance that I will get off this wait list,
it's now or never, because tomorrow I move in at you, Penn,
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and that's it. It's over.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And so I didn't tell anybody about this.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And I was moving in and my other half he
saw that I left my cell phone in the car
and I did it intentionally because I was checking it
like a psychopath.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
And he comes upstairs.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
He pulls up the third air conditioner and he puts
my cellphone right on top and he goes, I think
your phone was bringing And I look at it and
it's a two on two number, and of course it
was the person who had me ends down.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
And we packed everything back up, and we lost probably
fifty thousand dollars of my apartment that I had just
got the key about an hour before.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I just signed the lease, so I was liable for that.
I lost my deposit for U Penn, and I just
packed my stuff up.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I had had a series of going away parties, moving
from New.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
York to Philadelphia. And then I said to everybody, was.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Like he did your parents like freak out? Or were
they advocates for this? They were like, do what.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You need to do.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So happy about it because she knew I would come
back and that passed, but you know, like she was
just so excited to just have me back. And you know,
that was the pivotal moment. And it was four years
before I even knew who my mentors to be were.
You know, I wanted to go to Moyu because it
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was just so well known. It was a school that
has such a high standard for teaching dentists because it's
in the epicenter of New York City and you're getting
amazing amount of people from all over the.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
World, right, and so the eveness level is super high.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And I remember driving past this sign on First Avenue
it said the Rosenthal Institute of Aesthetic Dentistry.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It's like, that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
My first year, I remember listening to doctor Larry Rosenthal,
who had that area named after him. In my first
year of dental school, and he had this restauranteur like
a video of him.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
His name is Amelia, and Amelia was talking.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
About how he had just had his teeth done and
how his teeth are so sexy and how it gives
him confidence. And I'm a first year danal student and
I'm like, I just barely learned how to prep a tooth,
like he's talking about the years, Like what is this
And it was the first time in my life that
I said that is what I want to do. Wow.
(10:46):
And the story just gets so much better from there
because that was the doctor Larry Rosenthal right forward. So
he's actually like a legend in dentistry. I know, like
people might not know who he is.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's like he's a Anna Wintur of dentist.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Right, that's a better analogy. While we're on climbing on heels.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know, I had to I had to bring it
to fashion somehow, right.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And so the next year I was part of an
aesthetics community and they brought in doctor Michael Appa. And
I remember this so clearly, like if I close my eyes,
he has this video on and it's got this there's
the medio.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
It's like the song.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And to see him traveling back and forth Dubai and
treating all these amazing people and he's talking about cosmetic dentistry.
Did I know that he worked alongside doctor Larry Rosenhol
No way had that same feeling. And so after that,
you know, both of those people were bum rushed by people.
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And I'm not somebody that's going to like climb over
people to get that opportunity. I'm just going to figure
out a different way of getting the opportunity. So I
called the office thirty seven times and I said, you know,
my name is Andy.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I'm a dental student.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I really love like any time I would love to
just spend time, like if you need help, if you
need an.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Assistant, like I will, I'll assist, Like whatever you need.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Wa Andy, were you were you one of Like was
it still did it feel very male?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Were there any women in this or was it all men? Still?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
No women? All men?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No women?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
What is the truth is in this practice?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I am the only woman that they have ever had
in thirty years of this dental practice.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
And so I think that that's such a huge.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Almost like a huge weight in my shoulders because I
want to not only represent myself, I want to represent
other women, but I also just want to be the
best version of myself for my entire team. And my
hope is that as this brand grows, that we will
have many women as dentists in this brand. But it
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just takes one more open for the rest of them,
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So after doctor Rosenthalt, So what happened? So you're in
this world of men. I'm in this world of men,
and I'm fighting. You're fighting the line, You're fighting to
get to them.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The first time I ever went into the office that
I obviously worked for for many many years, I was
a third year dental student and I didn't own a.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Pair of heels.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I was not a very good dresser, and I had
very very little money to do any of those things
because I was in dental school and I was spending
all my money on dental school. And I remember getting
there and them saying like, Okay, listen, these are patients
that are paying a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
They're traveling from all over the world to be here.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Please just be like a fly on the wall, like,
don't speak unless you're spoken to, like, just be really respectful.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And I get it, Yeah, of course, you know, Like.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I would say the same thing to anybody coming in
shadowing for the kiss and oh. I remember doctor Rosenthal
was like having trouble midday with the camera and I
was like, let me just let me just take that,
and I took photos for him and he's like, you
can do this.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I was like, of course, I can do this, and
so the whole day I took.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Photos and at the end of the day he like
pulled me into his office and he's tried to give
me one hundred dollars and I was like, no, no,
like you don't get it, Like I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I do not need your ninety I did need his money.
I do not need your money.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
But I would love to come back. And I came
back every week. And nobody knows this, by the way,
because I wasn't the person that was like screaming this
to the world, because I wanted this opportunity. So I
would go every Tuesday from my third year Donald School
all the way through my residency. I used to call
out from my residency sorry to go and shadow there
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on Tuesdays, and then on Wednesdays I would be so
wildly unhappy because I wasn't doing the work.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
That I wanted to do right.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And so as this time had gone on, the clinic
was bought out by doctor Appa, who had been there
for ten plus years at that point, and it became
the Appa Rosenthal Group. And so at that time doctor
Appa was actually opening Dubai and he.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Wasn't going to be in the clinic as much. He
there was an.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Opportunity to bring somebody on, and he had sat me
down and he said to me, you know, I think
you'd be a right.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Fit for this place.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I think that with me going to Dubai more, it
opens up opportunity to have you here to meet the patients,
get to know the patients, treat emergencies, start building your
career underneath ours. And that was an amazed the first off,
the best day of my life, like April twenty sixth
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I know the date, I remember it clearly.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It was a beautiful outside.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But it started there, and so I had to work really,
really hard. The first few years. I was commuting from
Staaten Island. It was a Brooklyn girl. Originally I moved
to Staten Island for a little bit. I was commuting
two and a half hours each way in the car.
So I was working five days a week, commuting in
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the car four hours a day.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I would get there at seven point thirty. I would
leave no earlier than eight pm. We then opened LA.
I was here for.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
The opening in LA four years ago, five years ago now,
and it just started to grow.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
And my job underneath them was to build my own brands.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Right like I'm not Appa, I'm not Rosenthal. People are
not picking up the phone to ask for this girl
from Brooklyn, right, So I had to work really hard
to get patients into the chairs, because if I didn't
bring in patients, I wasn't treating them and I wasn't
doing the type of cosmetic dentistry that I wanted to do,
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and so, you know, the first few years were it's
like a blur. Now, they were the years that really
built my work ethic. And I would just study Appa.
I would sit and stand in his operatory and I
would watch what.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
They were doing.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I would watch how they would carve teeth. I would
watch how they would speak to patients. And it became
part of me. And so I always say that I'm
the best of both of them, with a little bit
of womanly, you know, nurture energy makes that makes me
very different.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And I love being a part of this team. You know.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I worked in New York for eight years. I was
asked to move my life across country and come and
help in the LA Clinic now, and so I run
the LA Clinic.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And it's been such.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
An amazing journey because I remember five six years ago
coming to this clinic in LA and being like, it
must be so amazing to work here and live in
Beverly Hills and here we are, like me, it's manifesting
your future.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I love it. Why do people ask me, oh my god,
do you love it there?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I feel like you're gonna hate it, like you're in
New York and I think it is.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
It's like living on vacation. If you're coming from Brooklyn
and Stuttn Island, You're like, do people get to live here?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I cannot agree with you more. I love it here.
I'm not going anywhere. I will be here for a
very long time.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Well, thank god, because we're not actually letting you go anywhere.
We're not letting you go anywhere. You're stuck with me.
I mean anyone and everyone. I mean, what a dream,
like this whole process. You're so good at what you do,
You're like, you know, listen. I always say, you know,
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I've really talked about on Cleman heals a lot. But
I also say, in any interview into anyone who will listen.
You know, I think for many, many years women were
pushed down for bringing emotion into the job.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And what I would.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Say to that is like that that's truly our superpower
in my opinion, because I know as a woman, I
want emotion in any job. You know, whether you're my doctor,
you're my lawyer, you're my teacher, you're my whatever, my train,
like anything or anyone, I want emotion in it. We're
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not robots, you know, We're not supposed to be robots,
and I think that you know, to your point, I
think people do their best work when they're empowered to
just do it. Like I think, if you trust the
process and someone is known for what they do, you
have to let them do it.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I met you and I was like, we're you know,
we're done. I mean, do you have any fears?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Like are you because you're you're so like you're just
such like a baller, what are your fears?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Tell me tons of fear.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I have tons of anxiety, like the things you were
just talking about. Like, let's let's break that down for
a second. Right, people come and they have been thinking
about this for so long. Right, they've done their research,
They've met with all the doctors that they want to
meet with, and they have.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Chosen me right right not to me?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
That alone, that one decision, I think is such an
important thing because I now need to deliver on all
of the promises that I promised you.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So I sound like me in my styling career. It's
like there's no margin for error, right.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Zero, because every patient matters to me?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Why because I don't have a gazillion patience, especially I'm
in LA now like I'm rebuilding my name, right. I
spent ten years in New York building my name. Now
I'm building in a completely different environment. And so every case,
every patient, every smile, every interaction matters because just like
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take you, for example, you are screaming, you're my rating fan.
You're screaming from the rooftops, how amazing this experience is.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I now have to live up to that for every.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Patient that comes comes after you. But not every patient
is like you, Rachel. Not every patient is going to
give themselves over. And so I make this analogy sometimes
like we are driving on a bus together and you're
a passenger. I'm driving the bus, and we can drive
the bus to the final destination or we can drive
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it off the cliff. And it depends on what these interactions,
what happens in our interactions, that depends that create that outcome. Sorry,
And so you know, if you give yourself over to it,
I'm going to give.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
You the best that I know how to.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
But when you start to micromanage and you say, like
what about this corner or what about this edge, You're
missing the bigger picture because I'm looking at how you
look as a whole. I'm not looking at this so
for me, that is one of the hardest things is
figuring out what somebody's expectation for treatment is and what
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the image in.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Their mind that they have have of what they want
to look like.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I need to match that expectation, and sometimes that's incredibly difficult,
you know, for as many happy patients as we have,
I'm sure the more dentistry you do, the more unhappy
patients you can have. And some of those unhappy patients
it doesn't come from the dentistry now, it.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Doesn't matter, and so they just.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Put their shit on you, and it's like, you know,
I did a good job.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I did this to the best that I know how.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I'm sorry that you're not happy, But you know what
one thing about me is, I will make sure at
the end of the day, if you allow me to
make some adjustments, make some change, maybe we reduce whatever
it is.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I will get you there. But you have to trust
that I.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Can, of course, and that's sometimes really hard for patients,
you know, to really let go and give in the process.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's so I mean, I don't know. I I'm just
so impressed with you. I'm so impressed with the process.
I'm so impressed with all of it as someone has
come from fashion and styling and jewelry and all the things.
Like the first thing I thought when I walked in
there was like watching them the lab like create the
teeth was like going into the jewelry labs in Paris
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of like Cartier, and it was so incredible.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
That's so important. We got to talk about that for once.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, go for it.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
That is how have you ever been to a restaurant
and sat at the chef's table, like in the kitchen
with a glass like that was how our clinics were thought, like.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
This is what we wanted to really like show that.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
So the goal is when you come in, you are
watching the teeth be hand layered. This is art at
the highest level actually, and I think, yeah, so often
people will come in and they'll just stand by the
glass and.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Watch the surrassed layer the color. And for me that's
the best.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Like we're taking a little bit of powder and a
little bit of liquid and we're hand painting these teeth.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
We then put them in the oven. The oven makes
them hard, and then we can readd or add in
shape and.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Create these little little tiny thing pieces of porcelain kind
of as thin as an eggshell, bond it to your
tooth and completely change your life.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
No, it's to me.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I'm telling you it is the most fascinating thing that
I never knew about.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
No, it actually is.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I also want you to know, like all I do
is look at people's teeth. It's really that has been
the happen That is the worst part of all of
this is now all I do is.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I never noticed people's teeth, and now I'm obsessed with
everyone's teeth. It's insane. I am so impressed with you.
I'm so happy you're a woman. I'm so happy I
get to have you as my dentist until I'm dead,
and I just am really lucky that I got to
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meet you. And I would tell anyone who would listen
that if they're lucky enough to come to LA and
go to have you as their dentist, or to be honest,
I mean anyone on your team. Although I can really
only speak to you, but people speak speak about you
from my experience, but I could say I don't know
a person that goes to APPA anywhere that's not obsessed.
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So I mean I and I'm not paid to do this.
I'm not selling anything. I just want everyone to know
because I'm so freaking happy with my teeth that I
want to scream it at the top of mountains. What
did I say to you when I met you? I said,
I'm so glad you're a woman.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
So glad you're a woman.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And you know that's what I attract Rachel, Like, I
think when you are looking.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
For somebody to do something, and this.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Is personal, like something very personal.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yes, hair, like the people become part of your.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Life a thousand and it's different, like we have to
like each other otherwise you're.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
In my mouth.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Let's just let's I'm just getting real here. You're in
my mouth. So I am you know, literally I think
meeting you truthfully for me was the okay, let's do it.
Because because I am someone who over the last I
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would say decade of my life has made it so
that every single person I have around me for the
most part, is female, like any doctor, any anyone even
for my children, like whether it's a tutor or a
coach or whatever. I just want female energy around me
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in that way. Doctors, my doctors are have always been
only female. And you know, I think so women really
have no issues with it at all. I think for me,
I can relax differently in a personal situation when it's
a woman, and I think there's something where we really
speak the same language. Right, So when I sat in
your chair, and you know, I was very forthcoming. I
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don't do teeth stuff. This really freaks me out. I'm like, really,
you know, because there's a few people in my life,
like and on my team that their thing is their teeth.
Their teeth are immaculate all the time, They're white as hell,
they're perfect, they get cleanings every three months. I don't
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love people in my mouth, and I have a thing
about dentistry. And I met you and I left there
and I was like, can I do this tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
And and you were so excited.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And not only did you make it happen, but like
I became completely obsessed and truthfully, like it's so funny.
It's been probably like three months now, almost three months
since I got my doctor Andy teeth, Doctor Andy, doctor
Appa teeth. Everything you said is true, which is my
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mouth has literally been retrained. And I find myself smiling
without knowing I'm smiling. I'm smiling while I'm talking. My
teen keeps getting these pictures of me smiling. I don't
even know it happened, and you know, it's absolutely surreal.
And the funny thing is I didn't really not like
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my teeth before, but now I love my teeth. Now
I love my teeth like they my teeth actually make
me happy every day when I wake up.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
The biggest thing, though, Rachel, is you you have to go.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Into this with the right mindset, which you absolutely did.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You were completely trusting of the process, and my job
is to kind of hold your hand through it and
still what we're which is the most important part, because
I think where fear starts or anxiety starts.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Is fear of the unknown. What will it be like?
What will will it be painful? Will it be uncomfortable?
What will I look like? Right?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
My assurance to you is nobody is gonna know you're
going through this process right, and when you choose the
right dentist, If you choose the right dentist, that's how
the process should be. It shouldn't be filled with all
the bad things that dentistry is known for. It should
be filled with excitement because you're enhancing part of your face.
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And honestly, I think the best part of your face,
of course, the best part about watching you all summer, Rachel,
and just looking through your speed and seeing you selling
you by the way, happy belated birthday.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Thank you, thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
But seeing you celebrate and smile, like there was a
picture that I saw of you blowing out candles or
smiling with your cake, and I'm just like, she is
finally feeling better, and I could just tell the musculature
around your smile is changing. You are feeling good, and
that just you don't feel self conscious about this thing,
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not that you ever really.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Did you, Oh no, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
But the truth is, like I didn't smile because as
you get older, you know, there was always this thing
like don't smile after thirty five, right, And it wasn't
like I ever follow those things. But what I started
to realize is that as you get older, when you smile,
your smile changes. Your smile goes down instead of up,
your smile goes sideways instead of up. Your smile is crooked,
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your wrinkles show more, your everything, right, And so when
you were telling me this, like I believed you, but
part of me didn't believe you, Like I believed you
because I was like, okay, like I'm doing this, so
she doesn't need to sell me on it, like I'm
gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
But if even.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
A quarter of what she says is true, I'm happy, right,
And so since that time, I'm like, I cannot believe
that I didn't know about this world of cosmetic dentistry
because it's it is.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Like life changing and it's not.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I wouldn't say it's a vanity thing, like yes, of course,
it can be like anything that's esthetic, right, like of
course you can look at it like, oh, it's a
superficial like, oh.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I just want you to for me. It became.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
It really affected the way I talk to people, the
way I feel when I talk to people literally and
take photos. And I don't think I realized it until afterwards.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You know, you know what the most interesting thing I
see patients from all over the world, and I look
a lot at fate. I start with the face when
I'm designing a smile, because what we can do in
the teeth, and we can change how balanced your face
looks right to left if you have and as we age,
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we lose collagen, we lose elastin, and we start.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
To get more sunk in, especially in the mid phase.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And so if I could take teeth and build them
out and support all of this soft tissue, you need
less fillers, you need less injectables, you need less Plastic
surgery work right. So many times I see patients come
in and they come in after they've had a facelift
or after they've done something, and I just want to
shake them, and I want to say, before you.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Do anything with the soft tissue, deal with the hard tissue.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Deal with the position of the teeth, because then you'll
need a lot less.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Help from your surgeon. And you know a lot of
patients do.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We work very closely with many different plastic surgeons all
over the world, and I think see.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Conjunction cases where we work together. That's where you see
true beauty start to be created, not just from the teeth,
but enhancing everything else as well. You can truly transform
your entire face starting with the teeth.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
By the way, and you were right, you were right.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
As soon as I got to the East Coast, people
who know me really really well, they.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Keep going, you look amazing. What did you do? What
did you do? Which is what you said.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You're like You're like, they're not going to know what
you did, and I'm like, I didn't do anything. And
at one point, because for anyone that gets to experience
doctor Andy or doctor Apple, like the greatest surprise for
me was I don't feel my teeth any different. These
feel like my teeth, and they are my teeth. It's
like my teeth with a better shell.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Like but it's it. But because I don't feel it,
I don't remember it. So someone will be like whoa.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And this this guy friend of mine who is always
on my face because he's a master at skin ivan
and he said to me.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Babe, what is it you look?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You're like radiant, You're like today it was a first
night I got there and I was like, I don't know,
and I was like, oh my god, my teeth.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I did and he was like, oh my god, that's it.
It changed everything.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I was like, oh my god. So you were right
all around. And I love your story, I love your determination,
I love I love you know.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I really look at weirdly.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I look at cosmetic dentistry very much like being a stylist,
where you know, for me, it wasn't about the dress.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It was just about like the overall.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I want to create how they feel when they walk outside.
I want to I want to look at everything from
top to bottom. I want to understand their like insides
to really like project the outside. And you know, I
always looked at it very holistically, and I think that's
for me. People I'm attracted to are always people that
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look at things in a big way, not just in
the part that they're paid to do, because that's just
the job, right, that's just the job.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
We see a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
You know, say somebody, if you're unhappy with the way
that you look or feel, there is such a subconscious.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Part of that that plays a huge role.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
After we do their teeth at like the six month mark,
maybe change their hair color, maybe they have a new girlfriend,
or they're getting engaged. Like that is the best part
about treating patients is actually going on their life journey.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I just had a girl, a patient. She was so sweet.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I did her teeth like maybe five years ago, four
years ago, and she came in and she's like, I
am gonna get married soon. It's gonna happen. I'm manifesting it.
I was like, did you meet the guy yet? And
she's like no, But it happen, and once I do,
I'm gonna get me and I can't get married looking
like this.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
So we did her teeth. She just had her wedding
last week.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
And when I tell you, every every shot teeth, teeth,
it was she wasn't thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
And that to me, giving somebody's confidence back is a
huge thing, right I.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
You know, And I also love the effect that patients
that I meet have on me. I met this one patient,
her name was Vanessa. She was super sweet. She was
a teacher, and she came to me right during COVID
and she had said, you know, I saved a little
bit of money up. I don't have a ton of money,
but I really want to do this with you. And
I said, okay, well let's figure out what we can
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do for you. And she had told me this one
line that I thought of all through COVID and she said,
my goal is to come out of COVID a COVID butterfly.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
And I said to her, I love that. And these
are just patients that have come into my life, patients
because my.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Friends either way, my kids would tell you it's called
a glow up.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
It is.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
My kids have taught me about a glow up. Glow up.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
I got to glow up.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I got a glow up with my smile. I got
a smile glow up. I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Love that your kids notice that already.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Like my kids are obsessed with my teeth.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I love it. We got to get them at the office.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'm coming in next week. I'm coming in with a teenager.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's happening. We gotta get you back in also in
check up.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I'm also I'm gonna I don't want to take too
much of your time. I want to do a quick
rapid fire with you. Okay, ready, this should be interesting.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I think you're going to be torn on the first one,
but because you're going to feel an allegiance. But I
think I know how you feel. Okay, ready, New York
or La la wow wow snaps, look at you.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Okay, I love that for you. Okay. Biggest pet peeve.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
When somebody is dressed to the nines and their teeth
don't match their nature, like the most amazing human beings,
the wealthiest human beings that fly all over the world
with a private jet, and they don't understand what their teeth.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Can do to you.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I'm dying okay, beach or mountains.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I'm a beach girl. Oh it used to be a lifeguard.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
What's your favorite season?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Like fall? I don't like to sweat outside, same breathe.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Same morning person or night owl?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Oh I am the I am the biggest morning person.
I get up, get my day started, go to the
gym with my trainer. It gets my mind right to
treat patients.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Also, you started in dentistry school leaving at your house
like at four am.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, so that'll make you a morning verson. Who's your hero?
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I mean that is a big one.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Doctor doctor mom.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
It is it is doctor Abba for so many reasons,
Like I could, I could tell you things about our
relationship that are just We've been up and down in
our relationship over fourteen years of being you know, friends
and mentors and colleagues. He has had the biggest impact
on my life that has truly brought you to who
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you see in front of you. He knew things about
me that I didn't even know about myself. He knew
that LA would be a good option for me. He
knew all of these things.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Before I knew it.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
And I think you have to have people a little
further along to help guide you and shuffle you back
in when you're not going down.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
The right path.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And he has been the hugest asset to me, and
I inspire to be like him and grow to be
a female version of him, but but not really of him,
of me.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I love this. Okay. Another job you would ever want
to try?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Oh, that's easy. I'd be a teacher.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I teach dentistry all over the world, and I love
teaching because the impact that you can have is so exponential.
If I teach somebody something, they're going to take this
and bring it back to their practice and then that
affects all of their patients.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
So I definitely would be a teacher.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'd love that.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
If you were arrested, what would it be for? Ooh,
mine would be night driving. Mine would be night driving,
or yelling at someone at the airport that wouldn't let
me bring my luggage through, or like opening my bags
because it had too much stuff in it.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I could get arrested for that, for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I would probably get arrested, like sticking up for one
of my friends or something like I am loyal to
the core, like coming in now, I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I'm not gonna hit anybody.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Brooklyn girl, I.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Exitely quickly, girl comes down.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah, just supporting my friends probably would get me into
trouble somewhere.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Flats or heels, Oh, heels all day. I love this
for you. That's why you're on climbing and heels.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
I wanted to I was going to say. I was like,
should I should I get my I can't get it up,
get up that high. But I was like, I'm going
to wear heels to this, even though she won't see them.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I love it. I knew you were in heels. I
knew I just I felt it. I felt it. One
piece of advice you'd give your younger self, be patient
with yourself.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
It does.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It takes time to really grow yourself. I was always
so anxious and just wanted to get to be great.
But the fun is in the climb to being great.
You know, once you're at the top of the mountain,
that's less fun. It's the climb up the mountain that
truly gives you the best life experience.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Hence climbing and heels.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Hence climbing and heels.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I love you, doctor Andy, You're the best.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I'm going to see you next week.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
I just would scream at any mountaintop, go to doctor Andy,
go to doctor Apa. I've never been happier with anything
I've ever done.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
It's just the best, truly.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Thank you for being a great patient, for trusting the process,
and for truly giving yourself the opportunity to feel like
the best version of yourself.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
And that's the best part of this whole thing. So
thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
We got to smile through life, right, so you might
as well try and look the best while doing it.
Thank you so much to doctor Andy for coming on
the pod today and sharing her incredible journey as a
cosmetic dentist in.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
A very male driven industry.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I was so excited because I think I assumed that
I was meeting with the mail when I went in
for my consultation, and after I met doctor Andy, I
just I couldn't do this quick enough. And I have
to say, it's been the greatest thing I've done, you know,
because I've never done anything real my face or my
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body or anything, and not that this was real, like
it's not surgery or anything, but the process is a process,
but it's it's amazing, like it's painless, it's I don't know,
I just my smile smiles now, like literally, and I'm
so grateful and I'm so happy that I did it.
And I think if anyone's thinking about tweaking their teeth
or getting it doesn't feel like fake teeth, because they're not.
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It's still my teeth, but with a little extra eggshell
over it, a very very thin eggshell. And I don't know,
I couldn't be happier. So thank you so much to
all of you for listening to Climbing in Heels. I
love how much you're loving it. If you haven't already,
please subscribe to the show an Apple podcast, Spotify, the
iHeart app, or wherever you get your podcasts. You don't
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miss a single episode this season. Be sure to follow
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at at Climbing in Heels pod for the latest episodes
and updates.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I will talk to you very soon, Ma,
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and
of course fun. My guest today is honestly a trailblazer
in her field. Doctor Andy Jean Moreau is award winning
and highly sought after female cosmetic dentists, and I know
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from personal experience just how amazing and talented she is.
Her journey from working alongside her mentors in New York
City to moving to Beverly Hills and working on some
of Hollywood's best and brightest smiles is truly inspiring. Doctor
Andy is truly changing lives by transforming smiles and giving
people the self confidence they need and deserve.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So let's jump right in.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm very excited to have you on, and I wanted
to have you on because not only do I have
firsthand experience with you, but you run in a world
that I completely.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Knew nothing about.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
And it's funny because I think that people would always think, oh,
you know, Rachel's so vain, she's so like of course,
she knows about every single thing when it comes to
cosmetic anything or anything.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That it's visual or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And ironically, my teeth was not something that I really
knew anything about the world beyond teeth, Like beyond the
teeth I had that I knew you could get them whitened,
or I knew you could do this or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And when I learned about you, I was like, Okay,
I was skeptical. It was like, well, let's let's just
let's just meet.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Let's just meet, right, Let's just let's just meet, and
let's just say. The rest is history, and here you are,
and I'm excited to have you on. So I want
to talk about, first and foremost, how in what world
did you like come up that you were like, hey,
this is who I want of you when I grow up?
Or was there no world and then you just decided
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that like late in life, right, No.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I am to tell you a lot about my personality.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
My name is obviously Andy.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I'm a girl that grew up in Brooklyn and has
a boy's name, right, And my mom always joked that, like,
I know, you can hang out with the boys.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's why I named you a boy's name.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And so growing up I had mostly male friends. Like
I never was a girls girl growing up, but I
definitely have become one and you know, growing up in Brooklyn,
I don't think that it necessarily means you're gonna end
up in Beverly Hills, California. Training people like yourself definitely
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has been quite an interesting journey. But I think, you know,
along the way, I've come across so many people in
my life that have influenced me, both positive and negative,
to be who I am today. And it's been quite
a crazy journey just being a woman in this industry,
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you know that is.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Completely male dominated. You know, I travel the world, I
teach cosmetic.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Dentistry all over the world, and when I go on
these big stages, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
All men and then me.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, And you know, I never thought of being a
woman as a limitation. I thought it that as my superpower.
I'm going to show them that I can do it
just as good, just as I can work just as hard,
and I can get to be just as successful as.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Any male in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
And when I was growing up, I knew that I
wanted to be something in the medical field. I knew
that that was something I wanted, but I didn't know
that I was going to be a dentist. My mother
was a nurse. I come from a family of nurses.
I'm the first doctor than my family.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Wow, And yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's all. That's crazy, that's mad, that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's also it's also interesting that that that was your
that coming up in Brooklyn and coming up in that
that that was.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Your thought process in it.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
So you know, I I'm the person. I'm the kind
of person And I know you know this already about
me because we've obviously worked together a little bit, Like
the more you tell me I can't do something, the
more I'm gonna work hard to really prove you wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And so you know, growing up, I knew.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I wanted to be in the medical field. And I
was always really crafty, Like I was the person that
was putting together puzzles. I was the person that was
like carving soap or doing weird things to be creative.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And I think it was probably a little bit of
how I housed anxiety throughout growing and through the pressure.
And I remember one day somebody saying to me, oh,
well you should look at dentistry.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And it's actually a funny story.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
My mother and father when they met their family dentist,
doctor Bill Bungjorno. You know, they would they would be
very friendly with him. And he had a front desk girl.
Her name was Laurie, and Laurie had just lost her
husband and her husband's name was Andrew. And I remember
my mom telling me the story that she came home
and they, you know, she was pregnant with me. And
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my father had gone to dinner with doctor Bjorno and
they were talking.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
About how if they would have known that he.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Was going to pass away, that they would have named
their daughter Andy. And my dad heard this, and that's
how I was named. Now, fast forward thirty years. I
go to doctor bon Jorno and I'm like, I think
I want to be a dentist.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And he's like, really, like, I've been in your life for.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
This long, and you want to be like one of
his children coming out of the room, you know?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And so I shadowed there for a few years when
I was in college. I was a Division one athlete
when I was in college, so I swam.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I'm pretty wonderful.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I was at Multitasker because I was trying to build
my resume to get into dental school. And I remember
applying to dental school and being so nervous.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I applied to sixteen schools.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I got wait listed at four and then I ended
up getting into three of the four. And it was
just pure persistence because I just don't accept the word no.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
And I remember being on.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
The wait list and it was almost August and dental
school starts mid August. And I remember then getting into
UPenn and it wasn't where I wanted to be. I
wanted to be at NYU. I'm a New Yorker through
and through. I wanted to stay home.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Sidebar Pen is like the sickest school, but okay, great.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And it's super it's super well known. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Of course, that one.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Decision changed my entire life. You know, I was moving in.
This is actually a wild story.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I was moving in in Philadelphia after getting into you Penn,
and we had just signed a lease for a beautiful apartment.
It was a four story walk up and it was
the middle of summer, so it was August. We were
moving in the next day, and I remember just thinking
to myself, like, this doesn't feel like where I belong, Like.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I know I belong in NYU.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And so I was very persistent with the dean of
admissions there and I would.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Call her like I would tell you. Probably once a week.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I would call her and not like the call that
gets to the assistant, like her line I've found on
the NYU Internet, and I would call her directly and
I would say, you know, Doc, this is what I've
done this week.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I'm still like, really, Adam, and I want to go
to n YU.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And at one point she called me and she said, like,
you know what, like if I want to talk to.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You, I'm going to call you. And she hung up
on me, and I was like, oh, okay, I might
have barned that brand really quick.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And I remember the day before I was moving in
at U Penn, I wrote her an email and it
was one of the most heartfelt emails, and I just
said to her, like, I know it's been a little
bit since we've talked. I want this more than any
person you've interviewed in the last ten years. If there
is a chance that I will get off this wait list,
it's now or never, because tomorrow I move in at you, Penn,
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and that's it. It's over.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And so I didn't tell anybody about this.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And I was moving in and my other half he
saw that I left my cell phone in the car
and I did it intentionally because I was checking it
like a psychopath.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
And he comes upstairs.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
He pulls up the third air conditioner and he puts
my cellphone right on top and he goes, I think
your phone was bringing And I look at it and
it's a two on two number, and of course it
was the person who had me ends down.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
And we packed everything back up, and we lost probably
fifty thousand dollars of my apartment that I had just
got the key about an hour before.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I just signed the lease, so I was liable for that.
I lost my deposit for U Penn, and I just
packed my stuff up.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I had had a series of going away parties, moving
from New.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
York to Philadelphia. And then I said to everybody, was.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Like he did your parents like freak out? Or were
they advocates for this? They were like, do what.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You need to do.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So happy about it because she knew I would come
back and that passed, but you know, like she was
just so excited to just have me back. And you know,
that was the pivotal moment. And it was four years
before I even knew who my mentors to be were.
You know, I wanted to go to Moyu because it
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was just so well known. It was a school that
has such a high standard for teaching dentists because it's
in the epicenter of New York City and you're getting
amazing amount of people from all over the.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
World, right, and so the eveness level is super high.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And I remember driving past this sign on First Avenue
it said the Rosenthal Institute of Aesthetic Dentistry.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It's like, that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
My first year, I remember listening to doctor Larry Rosenthal,
who had that area named after him. In my first
year of dental school, and he had this restauranteur like
a video of him.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
His name is Amelia, and Amelia was talking.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
About how he had just had his teeth done and
how his teeth are so sexy and how it gives
him confidence. And I'm a first year danal student and
I'm like, I just barely learned how to prep a tooth,
like he's talking about the years, Like what is this
And it was the first time in my life that
I said that is what I want to do. Wow.
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And the story just gets so much better from there
because that was the doctor Larry Rosenthal right forward. So
he's actually like a legend in dentistry. I know, like
people might not know who he is.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's like he's a Anna Wintur of dentist.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Right, that's a better analogy. While we're on climbing on heels.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You know, I had to I had to bring it
to fashion somehow, right.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And so the next year I was part of an
aesthetics community and they brought in doctor Michael Appa. And
I remember this so clearly, like if I close my eyes,
he has this video on and it's got this there's
the medio.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
It's like the song.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And to see him traveling back and forth Dubai and
treating all these amazing people and he's talking about cosmetic dentistry.
Did I know that he worked alongside doctor Larry Rosenhol
No way had that same feeling. And so after that,
you know, both of those people were bum rushed by people.
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And I'm not somebody that's going to like climb over
people to get that opportunity. I'm just going to figure
out a different way of getting the opportunity. So I
called the office thirty seven times and I said, you know,
my name is Andy.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I'm a dental student.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I really love like any time I would love to
just spend time, like if you need help, if you
need an.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Assistant, like I will, I'll assist, Like whatever you need.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Wa Andy, were you were you one of Like was
it still did it feel very male?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Were there any women in this or was it all men? Still?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
No women? All men?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No women?
Speaker 4 (12:27):
What is the truth is in this practice?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I am the only woman that they have ever had
in thirty years of this dental practice.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
And so I think that that's such a huge.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Almost like a huge weight in my shoulders because I
want to not only represent myself, I want to represent
other women, but I also just want to be the
best version of myself for my entire team. And my
hope is that as this brand grows, that we will
have many women as dentists in this brand. But it
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just takes one more open for the rest of them,
you know.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
So after doctor Rosenthalt, So what happened? So you're in
this world of men. I'm in this world of men,
and I'm fighting. You're fighting the line, You're fighting to
get to them.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The first time I ever went into the office that
I obviously worked for for many many years, I was
a third year dental student and I didn't own a.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Pair of heels.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I was not a very good dresser, and I had
very very little money to do any of those things
because I was in dental school and I was spending
all my money on dental school. And I remember getting
there and them saying like, Okay, listen, these are patients
that are paying a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
They're traveling from all over the world to be here.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Please just be like a fly on the wall, like,
don't speak unless you're spoken to, like, just be really respectful.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And I get it, Yeah, of course, you know, Like.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I would say the same thing to anybody coming in
shadowing for the kiss and oh. I remember doctor Rosenthal
was like having trouble midday with the camera and I
was like, let me just let me just take that,
and I took photos for him and he's like, you
can do this.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I was like, of course, I can do this, and
so the whole day I took.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Photos and at the end of the day he like
pulled me into his office and he's tried to give
me one hundred dollars and I was like, no, no,
like you don't get it, Like I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I do not need your ninety I did need his money.
I do not need your money.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
But I would love to come back. And I came
back every week. And nobody knows this, by the way,
because I wasn't the person that was like screaming this
to the world, because I wanted this opportunity. So I
would go every Tuesday from my third year Donald School
all the way through my residency. I used to call
out from my residency sorry to go and shadow there
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on Tuesdays, and then on Wednesdays I would be so
wildly unhappy because I wasn't doing the work.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
That I wanted to do right.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And so as this time had gone on, the clinic
was bought out by doctor Appa, who had been there
for ten plus years at that point, and it became
the Appa Rosenthal Group. And so at that time doctor
Appa was actually opening Dubai and he.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Wasn't going to be in the clinic as much. He
there was an.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Opportunity to bring somebody on, and he had sat me
down and he said to me, you know, I think
you'd be a right.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Fit for this place.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I think that with me going to Dubai more, it
opens up opportunity to have you here to meet the patients,
get to know the patients, treat emergencies, start building your
career underneath ours. And that was an amazed the first off,
the best day of my life, like April twenty sixth
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I know the date, I remember it clearly.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It was a beautiful outside.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But it started there, and so I had to work really,
really hard. The first few years. I was commuting from
Staaten Island. It was a Brooklyn girl. Originally I moved
to Staten Island for a little bit. I was commuting
two and a half hours each way in the car.
So I was working five days a week, commuting in
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the car four hours a day.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I would get there at seven point thirty. I would
leave no earlier than eight pm. We then opened LA.
I was here for.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
The opening in LA four years ago, five years ago now,
and it just started to grow.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
And my job underneath them was to build my own brands.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Right like I'm not Appa, I'm not Rosenthal. People are
not picking up the phone to ask for this girl
from Brooklyn, right, So I had to work really hard
to get patients into the chairs, because if I didn't
bring in patients, I wasn't treating them and I wasn't
doing the type of cosmetic dentistry that I wanted to do,
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and so, you know, the first few years were it's
like a blur. Now, they were the years that really
built my work ethic. And I would just study Appa.
I would sit and stand in his operatory and I
would watch what.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
They were doing.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I would watch how they would carve teeth. I would
watch how they would speak to patients. And it became
part of me. And so I always say that I'm
the best of both of them, with a little bit
of womanly, you know, nurture energy makes that makes me
very different.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And I love being a part of this team. You know.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I worked in New York for eight years. I was
asked to move my life across country and come and
help in the LA Clinic now, and so I run
the LA Clinic.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
And it's been such.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
An amazing journey because I remember five six years ago
coming to this clinic in LA and being like, it
must be so amazing to work here and live in
Beverly Hills and here we are, like me, it's manifesting
your future.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I love it. Why do people ask me, oh my god,
do you love it there?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I feel like you're gonna hate it, like you're in
New York and I think it is.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
It's like living on vacation. If you're coming from Brooklyn
and Stuttn Island, You're like, do people get to live here?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I cannot agree with you more. I love it here.
I'm not going anywhere. I will be here for a
very long time.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Well, thank god, because we're not actually letting you go anywhere.
We're not letting you go anywhere. You're stuck with me.
I mean anyone and everyone. I mean, what a dream,
like this whole process. You're so good at what you do,
You're like, you know, listen. I always say, you know,
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I've really talked about on Cleman heals a lot. But
I also say, in any interview into anyone who will listen.
You know, I think for many, many years women were
pushed down for bringing emotion into the job.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And what I would.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Say to that is like that that's truly our superpower
in my opinion, because I know as a woman, I
want emotion in any job. You know, whether you're my doctor,
you're my lawyer, you're my teacher, you're my whatever, my train,
like anything or anyone, I want emotion in it. We're
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not robots, you know, We're not supposed to be robots,
and I think that you know, to your point, I
think people do their best work when they're empowered to
just do it. Like I think, if you trust the
process and someone is known for what they do, you
have to let them do it.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I met you and I was like, we're you know,
we're done. I mean, do you have any fears?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Like are you because you're you're so like you're just
such like a baller, what are your fears?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Tell me tons of fear.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I have tons of anxiety, like the things you were
just talking about. Like, let's let's break that down for
a second. Right, people come and they have been thinking
about this for so long. Right, they've done their research,
They've met with all the doctors that they want to
meet with, and they have.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Chosen me right right not to me?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
That alone, that one decision, I think is such an
important thing because I now need to deliver on all
of the promises that I promised you.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So I sound like me in my styling career. It's
like there's no margin for error, right.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Zero, because every patient matters to me?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Why because I don't have a gazillion patience, especially I'm
in LA now like I'm rebuilding my name, right. I
spent ten years in New York building my name. Now
I'm building in a completely different environment. And so every case,
every patient, every smile, every interaction matters because just like
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take you, for example, you are screaming, you're my rating fan.
You're screaming from the rooftops, how amazing this experience is.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I now have to live up to that for every.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Patient that comes comes after you. But not every patient
is like you, Rachel. Not every patient is going to
give themselves over. And so I make this analogy sometimes
like we are driving on a bus together and you're
a passenger. I'm driving the bus, and we can drive
the bus to the final destination or we can drive
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it off the cliff. And it depends on what these interactions,
what happens in our interactions, that depends that create that outcome. Sorry,
And so you know, if you give yourself over to it,
I'm going to give.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
You the best that I know how to.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
But when you start to micromanage and you say, like
what about this corner or what about this edge, You're
missing the bigger picture because I'm looking at how you
look as a whole. I'm not looking at this so
for me, that is one of the hardest things is
figuring out what somebody's expectation for treatment is and what
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the image in.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Their mind that they have have of what they want
to look like.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I need to match that expectation, and sometimes that's incredibly difficult,
you know, for as many happy patients as we have,
I'm sure the more dentistry you do, the more unhappy
patients you can have. And some of those unhappy patients
it doesn't come from the dentistry now, it.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Doesn't matter, and so they just.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Put their shit on you, and it's like, you know,
I did a good job.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I did this to the best that I know how.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I'm sorry that you're not happy, But you know what
one thing about me is, I will make sure at
the end of the day, if you allow me to
make some adjustments, make some change, maybe we reduce whatever
it is.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I will get you there. But you have to trust
that I.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Can, of course, and that's sometimes really hard for patients,
you know, to really let go and give in the process.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's so I mean, I don't know. I I'm just
so impressed with you. I'm so impressed with the process.
I'm so impressed with all of it as someone has
come from fashion and styling and jewelry and all the things.
Like the first thing I thought when I walked in
there was like watching them the lab like create the
teeth was like going into the jewelry labs in Paris
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of like Cartier, and it was so incredible.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
That's so important. We got to talk about that for once.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, go for it.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
That is how have you ever been to a restaurant
and sat at the chef's table, like in the kitchen
with a glass like that was how our clinics were thought, like.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
This is what we wanted to really like show that.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
So the goal is when you come in, you are
watching the teeth be hand layered. This is art at
the highest level actually, and I think, yeah, so often
people will come in and they'll just stand by the
glass and.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Watch the surrassed layer the color. And for me that's
the best.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Like we're taking a little bit of powder and a
little bit of liquid and we're hand painting these teeth.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
We then put them in the oven. The oven makes
them hard, and then we can readd or add in
shape and.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Create these little little tiny thing pieces of porcelain kind
of as thin as an eggshell, bond it to your
tooth and completely change your life.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
No, it's to me.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I'm telling you it is the most fascinating thing that
I never knew about.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
No, it actually is.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I also want you to know, like all I do
is look at people's teeth. It's really that has been
the happen That is the worst part of all of
this is now all I do is.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
It's wild.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I never noticed people's teeth, and now I'm obsessed with
everyone's teeth. It's insane. I am so impressed with you.
I'm so happy you're a woman. I'm so happy I
get to have you as my dentist until I'm dead,
and I just am really lucky that I got to
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meet you. And I would tell anyone who would listen
that if they're lucky enough to come to LA and
go to have you as their dentist, or to be honest,
I mean anyone on your team. Although I can really
only speak to you, but people speak speak about you
from my experience, but I could say I don't know
a person that goes to APPA anywhere that's not obsessed.
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So I mean I and I'm not paid to do this.
I'm not selling anything. I just want everyone to know
because I'm so freaking happy with my teeth that I
want to scream it at the top of mountains. What
did I say to you when I met you? I said,
I'm so glad you're a woman.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
So glad you're a woman.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And you know that's what I attract Rachel, Like, I
think when you are looking.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
For somebody to do something, and this.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Is personal, like something very personal.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yes, hair, like the people become part of your.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Life a thousand and it's different, like we have to
like each other otherwise you're.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
In my mouth.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Let's just let's I'm just getting real here. You're in
my mouth. So I am you know, literally I think
meeting you truthfully for me was the okay, let's do it.
Because because I am someone who over the last I
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would say decade of my life has made it so
that every single person I have around me for the
most part, is female, like any doctor, any anyone even
for my children, like whether it's a tutor or a
coach or whatever. I just want female energy around me
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in that way. Doctors, my doctors are have always been
only female. And you know, I think so women really
have no issues with it at all. I think for me,
I can relax differently in a personal situation when it's
a woman, and I think there's something where we really
speak the same language. Right, So when I sat in
your chair, and you know, I was very forthcoming. I
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don't do teeth stuff. This really freaks me out. I'm like, really,
you know, because there's a few people in my life,
like and on my team that their thing is their teeth.
Their teeth are immaculate all the time, They're white as hell,
they're perfect, they get cleanings every three months. I don't
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love people in my mouth, and I have a thing
about dentistry. And I met you and I left there
and I was like, can I do this tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
And and you were so excited.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And not only did you make it happen, but like
I became completely obsessed and truthfully, like it's so funny.
It's been probably like three months now, almost three months
since I got my doctor Andy teeth, Doctor Andy, doctor
Appa teeth. Everything you said is true, which is my
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mouth has literally been retrained. And I find myself smiling
without knowing I'm smiling. I'm smiling while I'm talking. My
teen keeps getting these pictures of me smiling. I don't
even know it happened, and you know, it's absolutely surreal.
And the funny thing is I didn't really not like
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my teeth before, but now I love my teeth. Now
I love my teeth like they my teeth actually make
me happy every day when I wake up.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
The biggest thing, though, Rachel, is you you have to go.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Into this with the right mindset, which you absolutely did.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You were completely trusting of the process, and my job
is to kind of hold your hand through it and
still what we're which is the most important part, because
I think where fear starts or anxiety starts.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Is fear of the unknown. What will it be like?
What will will it be painful? Will it be uncomfortable?
What will I look like? Right?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
My assurance to you is nobody is gonna know you're
going through this process right, and when you choose the
right dentist, If you choose the right dentist, that's how
the process should be. It shouldn't be filled with all
the bad things that dentistry is known for. It should
be filled with excitement because you're enhancing part of your face.
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And honestly, I think the best part of your face,
of course, the best part about watching you all summer, Rachel,
and just looking through your speed and seeing you selling
you by the way, happy belated birthday.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Thank you, thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
But seeing you celebrate and smile, like there was a
picture that I saw of you blowing out candles or
smiling with your cake, and I'm just like, she is
finally feeling better, and I could just tell the musculature
around your smile is changing. You are feeling good, and
that just you don't feel self conscious about this thing,
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not that you ever really.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Did you, Oh no, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
But the truth is, like I didn't smile because as
you get older, you know, there was always this thing
like don't smile after thirty five, right, And it wasn't
like I ever follow those things. But what I started
to realize is that as you get older, when you smile,
your smile changes. Your smile goes down instead of up,
your smile goes sideways instead of up. Your smile is crooked,
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your wrinkles show more, your everything, right, And so when
you were telling me this, like I believed you, but
part of me didn't believe you, Like I believed you
because I was like, okay, like I'm doing this, so
she doesn't need to sell me on it, like I'm
gonna do this.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
But if even.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
A quarter of what she says is true, I'm happy, right,
And so since that time, I'm like, I cannot believe
that I didn't know about this world of cosmetic dentistry
because it's it is.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Like life changing and it's not.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I wouldn't say it's a vanity thing, like yes, of course,
it can be like anything that's esthetic, right, like of
course you can look at it like, oh, it's a
superficial like, oh.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I just want you to for me. It became.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
It really affected the way I talk to people, the
way I feel when I talk to people literally and
take photos. And I don't think I realized it until afterwards.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You know, you know what the most interesting thing I
see patients from all over the world, and I look
a lot at fate. I start with the face when
I'm designing a smile, because what we can do in
the teeth, and we can change how balanced your face
looks right to left if you have and as we age,
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we lose collagen, we lose elastin, and we start.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
To get more sunk in, especially in the mid phase.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And so if I could take teeth and build them
out and support all of this soft tissue, you need
less fillers, you need less injectables, you need less Plastic
surgery work right. So many times I see patients come
in and they come in after they've had a facelift
or after they've done something, and I just want to
shake them, and I want to say, before you.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Do anything with the soft tissue, deal with the hard tissue.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Deal with the position of the teeth, because then you'll
need a lot less.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Help from your surgeon. And you know a lot of
patients do.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We work very closely with many different plastic surgeons all
over the world, and I think see.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Conjunction cases where we work together. That's where you see
true beauty start to be created, not just from the teeth,
but enhancing everything else as well. You can truly transform
your entire face starting with the teeth.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
By the way, and you were right, you were right.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
As soon as I got to the East Coast, people
who know me really really well, they.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Keep going, you look amazing. What did you do? What
did you do? Which is what you said.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You're like You're like, they're not going to know what
you did, and I'm like, I didn't do anything. And
at one point, because for anyone that gets to experience
doctor Andy or doctor Apple, like the greatest surprise for
me was I don't feel my teeth any different. These
feel like my teeth, and they are my teeth. It's
like my teeth with a better shell.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Like but it's it. But because I don't feel it,
I don't remember it. So someone will be like whoa.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And this this guy friend of mine who is always
on my face because he's a master at skin ivan
and he said to me.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Babe, what is it you look?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You're like radiant, You're like today it was a first
night I got there and I was like, I don't know,
and I was like, oh my god, my teeth.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I did and he was like, oh my god, that's it.
It changed everything.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I was like, oh my god. So you were right
all around. And I love your story, I love your determination,
I love I love you know.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I really look at weirdly.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I look at cosmetic dentistry very much like being a stylist,
where you know, for me, it wasn't about the dress.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It was just about like the overall.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I want to create how they feel when they walk outside.
I want to I want to look at everything from
top to bottom. I want to understand their like insides
to really like project the outside. And you know, I
always looked at it very holistically, and I think that's
for me. People I'm attracted to are always people that
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look at things in a big way, not just in
the part that they're paid to do, because that's just
the job, right, that's just the job.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
We see a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
You know, say somebody, if you're unhappy with the way
that you look or feel, there is such a subconscious.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Part of that that plays a huge role.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
After we do their teeth at like the six month mark,
maybe change their hair color, maybe they have a new girlfriend,
or they're getting engaged. Like that is the best part
about treating patients is actually going on their life journey.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I just had a girl, a patient. She was so sweet.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I did her teeth like maybe five years ago, four
years ago, and she came in and she's like, I
am gonna get married soon. It's gonna happen. I'm manifesting it.
I was like, did you meet the guy yet? And
she's like no, But it happen, and once I do,
I'm gonna get me and I can't get married looking
like this.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
So we did her teeth. She just had her wedding
last week.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
And when I tell you, every every shot teeth, teeth,
it was she wasn't thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
And that to me, giving somebody's confidence back is a
huge thing, right I.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
You know, And I also love the effect that patients
that I meet have on me. I met this one patient,
her name was Vanessa. She was super sweet. She was
a teacher, and she came to me right during COVID
and she had said, you know, I saved a little
bit of money up. I don't have a ton of money,
but I really want to do this with you. And
I said, okay, well let's figure out what we can
(36:44):
do for you. And she had told me this one
line that I thought of all through COVID and she said,
my goal is to come out of COVID a COVID butterfly.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
And I said to her, I love that. And these
are just patients that have come into my life, patients
because my.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Friends either way, my kids would tell you it's called
a glow up.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
It is.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
My kids have taught me about a glow up. Glow up.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
I got to glow up.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I got a glow up with my smile. I got
a smile glow up. I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Love that your kids notice that already.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Like my kids are obsessed with my teeth.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I love it. We got to get them at the office.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'm coming in next week. I'm coming in with a teenager.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's happening. We gotta get you back in also in
check up.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I'm also I'm gonna I don't want to take too
much of your time. I want to do a quick
rapid fire with you. Okay, ready, this should be interesting.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I think you're going to be torn on the first one,
but because you're going to feel an allegiance. But I
think I know how you feel. Okay, ready, New York
or La la wow wow snaps, look at you.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Okay, I love that for you. Okay. Biggest pet peeve.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
When somebody is dressed to the nines and their teeth
don't match their nature, like the most amazing human beings,
the wealthiest human beings that fly all over the world
with a private jet, and they don't understand what their teeth.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Can do to you.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I'm dying okay, beach or mountains.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I'm a beach girl. Oh it used to be a lifeguard.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
What's your favorite season?
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Like fall? I don't like to sweat outside, same breathe.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Same morning person or night owl?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Oh I am the I am the biggest morning person.
I get up, get my day started, go to the
gym with my trainer. It gets my mind right to
treat patients.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Also, you started in dentistry school leaving at your house
like at four am.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, so that'll make you a morning verson. Who's your hero?
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I mean that is a big one.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Doctor doctor mom.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
It is it is doctor Abba for so many reasons,
Like I could, I could tell you things about our
relationship that are just We've been up and down in
our relationship over fourteen years of being you know, friends
and mentors and colleagues. He has had the biggest impact
on my life that has truly brought you to who
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you see in front of you. He knew things about
me that I didn't even know about myself. He knew
that LA would be a good option for me. He
knew all of these things.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Before I knew it.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
And I think you have to have people a little
further along to help guide you and shuffle you back
in when you're not going down.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
The right path.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And he has been the hugest asset to me, and
I inspire to be like him and grow to be
a female version of him, but but not really of him,
of me.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I love this. Okay. Another job you would ever want
to try?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Oh, that's easy. I'd be a teacher.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
I teach dentistry all over the world, and I love
teaching because the impact that you can have is so exponential.
If I teach somebody something, they're going to take this
and bring it back to their practice and then that
affects all of their patients.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
So I definitely would be a teacher.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'd love that.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
If you were arrested, what would it be for? Ooh,
mine would be night driving. Mine would be night driving,
or yelling at someone at the airport that wouldn't let
me bring my luggage through, or like opening my bags
because it had too much stuff in it.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I could get arrested for that, for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I would probably get arrested, like sticking up for one
of my friends or something like I am loyal to
the core, like coming in now, I'm joking.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I'm not gonna hit anybody.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Brooklyn girl, I.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Exitely quickly, girl comes down.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah, just supporting my friends probably would get me into
trouble somewhere.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Flats or heels, Oh, heels all day. I love this
for you. That's why you're on climbing and heels.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
I wanted to I was going to say. I was like,
should I should I get my I can't get it up,
get up that high. But I was like, I'm going
to wear heels to this, even though she won't see them.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I love it. I knew you were in heels. I
knew I just I felt it. I felt it. One
piece of advice you'd give your younger self, be patient
with yourself.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
It does.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It takes time to really grow yourself. I was always
so anxious and just wanted to get to be great.
But the fun is in the climb to being great.
You know, once you're at the top of the mountain,
that's less fun. It's the climb up the mountain that
truly gives you the best life experience.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Hence climbing and heels.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Hence climbing and heels.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I love you, doctor Andy, You're the best.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I'm going to see you next week.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
I just would scream at any mountaintop, go to doctor Andy,
go to doctor Apa. I've never been happier with anything
I've ever done.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
It's just the best, truly.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Thank you for being a great patient, for trusting the process,
and for truly giving yourself the opportunity to feel like
the best version of yourself.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
And that's the best part of this whole thing. So
thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
We got to smile through life, right, so you might
as well try and look the best while doing it.
Thank you so much to doctor Andy for coming on
the pod today and sharing her incredible journey as a
cosmetic dentist in.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
A very male driven industry.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I was so excited because I think I assumed that
I was meeting with the mail when I went in
for my consultation, and after I met doctor Andy, I
just I couldn't do this quick enough. And I have
to say, it's been the greatest thing I've done, you know,
because I've never done anything real my face or my
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body or anything, and not that this was real, like
it's not surgery or anything, but the process is a process,
but it's it's amazing, like it's painless, it's I don't know,
I just my smile smiles now, like literally, and I'm
so grateful and I'm so happy that I did it.
And I think if anyone's thinking about tweaking their teeth
or getting it doesn't feel like fake teeth, because they're not.
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It's still my teeth, but with a little extra eggshell
over it, a very very thin eggshell. And I don't know,
I couldn't be happier. So thank you so much to
all of you for listening to Climbing in Heels. I
love how much you're loving it. If you haven't already,
please subscribe to the show an Apple podcast, Spotify, the
iHeart app, or wherever you get your podcasts. You don't
(43:45):
miss a single episode this season. Be sure to follow
me on Instagram at at rachel Zo and the show
at at Climbing in Heels pod for the latest episodes
and updates.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I will talk to you very soon, Ma,
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